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Speaker 1: On this Tuesday, Dan and the Danas Stan Patrick Show
Speaker 1: want to talk about dive into the Astros controversy. LSU's Place,
Speaker 1: Old Time, Joe Burrows Place, Old Time. We'll check in
Speaker 1: with Reggie Millar. It looks like the Lakers are in
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame coach Jimmy Johnson Fox Sports analyst, the
Speaker 1: former Canes and Cowboys coach, will join us and Rick
Speaker 1: new heisl one of the brightest football mines that I know.
Speaker 1: He was at the National Title Game. He'll recap what
Speaker 1: he saw unfold in front of him and America. College
Speaker 1: Football's national title game has been all about Clemson and
Speaker 1: Alabama the last couple of years, which has been great,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure that will remember specific championship teams.
Speaker 1: But I don't think you can say that about this
Speaker 1: year's LSU team. That national title run feels like a movie.
Speaker 1: You got a head coach who's a character in the
Speaker 1: best possible way. You got a quarterback Joe Burrow, who
Speaker 1: couldn't win the job at Ohio State and then goes
Speaker 1: to LSU finally gives them a legitimate quarterback and he
Speaker 1: might have put up the best numbers in the history
Speaker 1: of the sport at that position. Then you win the
Speaker 1: title in the Superdome, kind of like a New Orleans
Speaker 1: fairy tale. And LSU's been here before they won championships.
Speaker 1: You go back to nineteen fifty eight, they had Billy Cannon,
Speaker 1: the Heisman Trophy winner, they went undefeated. But this year's team,
Speaker 1: they slayed all the dragons that they faced in their schedule.
Speaker 1: Incredible play at quarterback, they beat Alabama, they stepped up
Speaker 1: every time they needed to. So congrats to LSU, and
Speaker 1: I would tell you to go celebrate, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: that the party is well under way in Baton Rouge
Speaker 1: and elsewhere in Louisiana. A lot of fun to watch
Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow through sixty touchdown passes this season. And
Speaker 1: I started to wonder about this because it was a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago where I said LSU has always
Speaker 1: had talent, certainly at wide receivers, defensive backs, running backs,
Speaker 1: but they never really had that great quarterback. Good quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: but not a great quarterback. Joe Burrow through sixty touchdown passes,
Speaker 1: that is one more touchdown pass then LSU had over
Speaker 1: the four previous seasons. Combined stat of the day, dat
Speaker 1: of the day, that pass Dad of the days stat
Speaker 1: of the day comes that what stat of the day.
Speaker 1: And I thought Clemson had a good game plan early
Speaker 1: they were trying to confuse him. They did confuse him.
Speaker 1: They did go up by ten, and then you had
Speaker 1: a couple of plays. You had a targeting call. You
Speaker 1: also had a fumble by Trevor Lawrence. But you know,
Speaker 1: the better team did win. I had a gut feeling
Speaker 1: that Clemson was going to win. They weren't. The better team.
Speaker 1: Just had a gut feeling. This one felt like the
Speaker 1: Texans against the Chiefs that you built up that lead,
Speaker 1: but it almost felt like it's a false lead and
Speaker 1: you missed opportunities and you don't score touchdowns or you
Speaker 1: don't even get a field goal, and you have some
Speaker 1: puns where you're on their side of the field, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you knew LSU's coming at
Speaker 1: some point LSU's coming, and then it came, and then
Speaker 1: you can't stop it. It's a lot like the Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs, and that was a dominating performance. Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: can play on my team anytime he wants to. I'll
Speaker 1: bring him in if I can't get Joe Burrow. But
Speaker 1: I better have a high draft pick because Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: put up two hundred and twenty one yards in the
Speaker 1: National title game, and that's the most receiving yards in
Speaker 1: a national title game since nineteen ninety eight. Oj Howard
Speaker 1: of Alabama had the previous record in twenty fifteen. But
Speaker 1: it was impressive and LSU rightfully deserves the national title.
Speaker 1: But more than that, you're going to look at this
Speaker 1: team as one of the special teams that we've seen
Speaker 1: in recent college football history. And Joe Burrow as well.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow did everything you wanted for a quarterback to
Speaker 1: do in a big situation, a big game. It's one
Speaker 1: of the great years that we've seen in college football history.
Speaker 1: Age seven seven three DP show email address TP at
Speaker 1: dan Patrick dot com. We got a lot of poll
Speaker 1: question possibilities here. Here's one for you. If the NFL
Speaker 1: Draft were today and both quarterbacks were eligible to go in,
Speaker 1: who should go number one? Not who would, but who
Speaker 1: should go number one? If I said Trevor Lawrence or
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, man, who do you have? Yes, McLevin, I
Speaker 1: don't understand the difference. What's the difference what you think
Speaker 1: should happen and what would happen? Meaning like, not who
Speaker 1: you think is a better one, but who do you
Speaker 1: think NFL teams will think is a better one? Well,
Speaker 1: we look at potential Lawrence, it feels like there's more
Speaker 1: potential with him. He's a great quarterback, more potential with him.
Speaker 1: You might look at Joe Burrow and say how much
Speaker 1: better can he get? Whereas Lawrence it feels like you go, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what. He develops a little bit more maturity
Speaker 1: back there. He lets you know, the play develop takes
Speaker 1: a little more time there. He was rushing things last night,
Speaker 1: had a costly fumble last night. Burrow is a polished
Speaker 1: player right now, but he's a couple of years older
Speaker 1: than Trevor Lawrence. I'm guessing that people would still take
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence number one overall. Joe Burrow has shown you everything,
Speaker 1: but but we don't like when it's right in front
Speaker 1: of you. It's like Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson showed you
Speaker 1: everything you needed to see in a franchise quarterback. He
Speaker 1: won on a big stage, great kid face of a franchise.
Speaker 1: But Mitchell Trubisky offered potential, and the Bears bid on potential,
Speaker 1: you know, the Giants with Daniel Jones. The potential we
Speaker 1: don't we didn't really see it, but the potential is
Speaker 1: there instead of I can see it right in front
Speaker 1: of me. Yeah. Point and he ever think Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: is doing. He's not staying around too long to be
Speaker 1: picked apart. He gone, it's true, gone, yeah. And I
Speaker 1: picked apart Lawrence a little bit this year because he
Speaker 1: had a wonderful freshman year and I thought that he
Speaker 1: would regress, and he did a little bit. He's still
Speaker 1: a marvelous talent there. But you know what, last night,
Speaker 1: you know, you got to see that maybe there's work
Speaker 1: to be done, and he's got another year to do that,
Speaker 1: and he's got a great coach and they're going to
Speaker 1: be great again next year. I did find it interesting
Speaker 1: that Nick Saban agreed to work on the broadcast for
Speaker 1: the Mothership, and I was wondering, why would why would
Speaker 1: Nick Saban go let me be there to remind you
Speaker 1: that I'm not there, but then I'm still involved in
Speaker 1: the National Title Game. And I was just wondering, how
Speaker 1: painful is that for Nick Saban to sit there and
Speaker 1: then talk about the greatness of these other teams that
Speaker 1: he couldn't beat. And maybe it's a recruiting tool for
Speaker 1: Nick Saban. Hey I'll be at the National Title Game.
Speaker 1: I'll give you a call at halftime, whatever it might be.
Speaker 1: I don't know. And I think Nick likes TV. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna segue into TV, but I
Speaker 1: think he likes that, you know it and it's not
Speaker 1: every week and he's not traveling with college game Day.
Speaker 1: This is just this is a one and done for
Speaker 1: him to be involved in. Like Urban Meyer, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: I'll work the National Title game if I'm not in it.
Speaker 1: Then Urban went into you know, he transferred into TV.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Nick Saban is going to be
Speaker 1: one of those guys urban's doing it every week, but
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a job in college, you know, coaching
Speaker 1: or in the NFL. Nick Saban's still got a great job,
Speaker 1: and it feels like he's going to continue to do
Speaker 1: that for a little while. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: see him going, hey, I'm gonna segue into TV when
Speaker 1: this is all said and done, But it was just
Speaker 1: it kind of struck me when you see him where
Speaker 1: you go, Oh, that's right, he's doing the game, the
Speaker 1: pregame for the Mothership. Yeah. Point, I think it has
Speaker 1: to be recruiting, because, like you said, it's a painful
Speaker 1: thought to go participate in a game you're not in
Speaker 1: the pageantry around it. But he and his people must think,
Speaker 1: you know what, I could be there. My face is
Speaker 1: there for the two hour pregame and the parents are watching,
Speaker 1: and I'm still the face of college football. So that's
Speaker 1: why I'm there, which he is still Yes, God, but
Speaker 1: unless it's an ego thing or you love TV that much,
Speaker 1: you're still competitive. I can't imagine that. I think of
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick or anyone else, Why would you want to
Speaker 1: be anywhere near that place? If you didn't get in.
Speaker 1: You know, I could see some coaches that are driven
Speaker 1: like him not even want to watch the game on TV,
Speaker 1: never mind being there in the stadium. Why is it
Speaker 1: the guys who hate the media want to be in
Speaker 1: the media, like Bill Parcels, Bob Knight. They despise the
Speaker 1: media and then they want to be part of the media.
Speaker 1: And Nick Saban Nick got a sort of back and
Speaker 1: forth relationship with the media. But yeah, there was a
Speaker 1: lot there to kind of process last night, and we
Speaker 1: were talking prior to the show about the targeting call
Speaker 1: there where I wonder, why can't you just sort of
Speaker 1: separate if it's a targeting call? Did somebody truly target somebody?
Speaker 1: Did they use the crown of their helmet? You know
Speaker 1: Skolsky who's there, that's their defensive leader, and then you're
Speaker 1: going to take him out of the game for targeting?
Speaker 1: Can't there be modification? It doesn't have to be black
Speaker 1: and white with targeting. Can you just say that's a penalty.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if anything changes last night, As
Speaker 1: I said, I likened it to the Kansas City Chiefs
Speaker 1: that LSU offense, or maybe the Chiefs are the other
Speaker 1: shoe offense depending on how you look at it. It's
Speaker 1: coming and it's just a matter of how much can
Speaker 1: you withstand. And Clemson couldn't withstand that, and they had
Speaker 1: nobody who could cover Chase. I mean, I felt bad
Speaker 1: for that defensive back who I think is considered a
Speaker 1: first round talent. Mclovin is that right, was considered Dan
Speaker 1: it's a redundant. If he's an LSU defensive back, he's
Speaker 1: considered a first round talent. Seems like it's automatic. No, No,
Speaker 1: he's Clemson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If he was LSU, then
Speaker 1: he'd be a first round talent. Early onto the game,
Speaker 1: there was some Clemson stats pore our tour. This defense
Speaker 1: is stopped everybody from doing it, like record setting defense.
Speaker 1: That man that didn't last And the anti Joe Burrows
Speaker 1: sentiment the first ten minutes was humorous. That went away fast,
Speaker 1: went away really fast there. Yeah, back into Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence ing, what do you do with the fact
Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow had a bad season when he was
Speaker 1: twenty two years old? You know, last year he was
Speaker 1: sixteen touchdowns, five picks, like fifty six percent, Like, do
Speaker 1: you just disregard that the what do you do with
Speaker 1: the one yearness of this Burrow? But I have to
Speaker 1: look at it differently than you're looking at it. That
Speaker 1: he got better, but he was twenty three. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you look at everybody else can get better?
Speaker 1: You know, you could break it. I could ask Rick
Speaker 1: new Heisman when he joins his you know, coming up
Speaker 1: in ten minutes from now. But I want to see
Speaker 1: you get better. Did Trevor Lawrence get better this year?
Speaker 1: Probably not, okay, but he had a great year. He
Speaker 1: was like thirty eight touchdowns, six picks. Okay, But are
Speaker 1: you going to be critical of him that he wasn't
Speaker 1: as good or as valuable as freshman year? But he
Speaker 1: didn't have a stinker like Joe Burrow as a junior
Speaker 1: though it wasn't even the same. Yeah, but Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: wasn't held in high regard like Trevor Lawrence is supposed
Speaker 1: to be the first round pick since he got on
Speaker 1: campus there even prior to that, Joe Burrow had to
Speaker 1: he lost the job at Ohio State and then transferred
Speaker 1: to LSU. He was an afterthought. Nobody knew anything about him.
Speaker 1: How you say, I mean that's been the knock on
Speaker 1: him all year, like what happened? Why? And you guys,
Speaker 1: who has a Why is he so different with this
Speaker 1: coaching staff and he was last year? Well he's got weapons.
Speaker 1: First of all, he's got a ton of confidence. He's
Speaker 1: not lacking in confidence there. And I just think, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes the game comes to you at a different time
Speaker 1: in your life, and it felt like the game came
Speaker 1: to him. Players of all in all sports, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about when the game slows down and you see it differently.
Speaker 1: It felt like Joe Burrow, even under duress, he has
Speaker 1: a little bit of Russell Wilson in him, even though
Speaker 1: he's a couple inches taller than him. But when he
Speaker 1: gets pressure, he squats down and then he's always running forward.
Speaker 1: He doesn't run to the side, and he's accurate, and
Speaker 1: he had composure. Last night when it started, it felt
Speaker 1: like he was slipping away a little bit there. You know,
Speaker 1: he had the big touchdown pass. I don't know, he
Speaker 1: just he seemed to make for every question you had,
Speaker 1: he had an answer. Although some people are saying, well,
Speaker 1: this guy has it all. He's got the hair, the talent,
Speaker 1: he won, he's got the name, he's got the Heisman,
Speaker 1: Please save him from the Bengals. I don't know if
Speaker 1: Joe's gonna go you know, on second thought, I'm not
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to the Bengals there. He's
Speaker 1: an Ohio guy. Unless the Nation gets involved and says
Speaker 1: you don't want to go there. Yes, I mean it's
Speaker 1: a legitimate question. He did enough where he can sort
Speaker 1: of write his own ticket. You don't think he pulls it,
Speaker 1: considers pulling an Eli Manning here. No, No, I would
Speaker 1: be surprised if he did. Like, Okay, so where's he going?
Speaker 1: Then he's not gonna go to Washington, not gonna go
Speaker 1: to the Giants, Miami Vegas, Jo Vegas, Joe Vegas, Joe Vegas.
Speaker 1: I don't see that happen. He's an Ohio guy. He's
Speaker 1: done everything right. I don't think you want to be
Speaker 1: you know, it took Eli a long time to get
Speaker 1: over the fact that, oh, you thought you were too
Speaker 1: good to go to the Chargers. He was. It was
Speaker 1: the right move, It was the right move. Yeah, John Elway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that stayed with him for quite some time. This program
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Speaker 1: other questions here, Um, we'll dive into the Astro stuff.
Speaker 1: That's that's a whole segment that's gonna take over when
Speaker 1: we do it. Because I was going to ask you
Speaker 1: if if Baseball's punishment for the Astros was appropriate, too
Speaker 1: harsh or not harsh enough. I do think Baseball could
Speaker 1: have gone a lot tougher on the Astros. I thought
Speaker 1: the Astros were tougher on the Astros than Baseball was
Speaker 1: because they fired you know, the GM and the coach here,
Speaker 1: the manager, I thought baseball And Keith Oberman is leading
Speaker 1: the charge here. And Keith, one of the great baseball historians,
Speaker 1: just tweeted out he thinks that the Astros should vacate.
Speaker 1: I'll give it to you right now. Here's Keith's tweet. Bluntly,
Speaker 1: this is insufficient, insomuch as Commissioner Ford Frick said in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two, he would have forfeited the Bobby Thompson game.
Speaker 1: If there were proof of cheating in twenty seventeen, the
Speaker 1: Al Pennant and World Series Championship should be vacated. No
Speaker 1: winners named. Good luck with that. But I you know,
Speaker 1: no players are involved in this. You know the punishment
Speaker 1: because the players have a union. Managers don't have a union.
Speaker 1: Gms don't have a union. And I think the that
Speaker 1: no players are being indicted here, including Carlos Beltroun, who's
Speaker 1: now with the Mets. Can he'd be punished now that
Speaker 1: he's a manager and not a player. Yeah, Paul, what
Speaker 1: if baseball allows the Mets to cheat? You know, I
Speaker 1: like to get them back to even you know what,
Speaker 1: We're gonna let you guys do this for a while,
Speaker 1: beef like a year and a half, two years, do
Speaker 1: that cheating thing. See what happened. They'd still find a
Speaker 1: way to screw that up. But we'll talk about the Astros.
Speaker 1: Richard Justice, the great baseball writer and rights for the
Speaker 1: Houston Chronicle. He will talk about the afters. Jimmy Johnson,
Speaker 1: now a Hall of Famer, will join us a little
Speaker 1: bit later on. Reggie Miller and Rick Neuheisl For some reason,
Speaker 1: Polly has a live camera feed from Bourbon Street. We've
Speaker 1: been fascinated by that. There's not much going on on
Speaker 1: Bourbon Street right now, not now, Dan, but when I
Speaker 1: clicked on this at six seventeen am, there are still
Speaker 1: some people going. Oh, I would imagine now there's some
Speaker 1: people that looks shaky and shady, let's put that way.
Speaker 1: Are there people that might be waking up in places
Speaker 1: where they didn't think they'd be sleeping, People that look
Speaker 1: like their clothes are and tatters. There's some people though,
Speaker 1: that are like fresh and clean and on their way
Speaker 1: to the airport. It's a great feed. How did you
Speaker 1: find this? Well, there's live cams just about anywhere. He
Speaker 1: could find stuff. I was like, I wonder what's going
Speaker 1: on in Bourbon Street at six am because they don't
Speaker 1: really have a curfew down. Do you just google live
Speaker 1: camera on Bourbon Street exactly exactly? It was. It's pretty fun.
Speaker 1: I liked that there was a truck that just pulled
Speaker 1: up and parked right in the intersection. My daughter asked
Speaker 1: me a question. My daughter's watched the game last night,
Speaker 1: my daughter Molly, she's eight, and she asked me a
Speaker 1: question this morning. I said, you know, the game ran
Speaker 1: really late last night, but LSU w in the LSU
Speaker 1: fans are really happy and the game isn't you know
Speaker 1: in New Orleans? And she goes, do you think that
Speaker 1: the fans had cake to celebrate after the game or
Speaker 1: do you think it's too late to have cake? And
Speaker 1: I said, I think they had a lot of cake,
Speaker 1: and they did last night. They cake. Richard Justice Snell
Speaker 1: works for MLB dot com and used to work with
Speaker 1: the Houston Chronicle. Thank you, Toddeen. After the hour will
Speaker 1: come up with a poll question Rick Neuheisel, I'll ask
Speaker 1: him that question. If the draftword today, Trevor Lawrence or
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, We'll talk to Rick Neuheisel about that. Coming
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Speaker 1: in a little bit. Settle on a poll question unless
Speaker 1: you have one right now, MC love and then you
Speaker 1: know I wanted to put up? Was the penalty for
Speaker 1: the Astros appropriate? Not harsh enough or two harsh? How
Speaker 1: do people have done this too? I'm just curious. Do
Speaker 1: you have an idea of what people think? I'm not
Speaker 1: sure where if you're a football first hour? Okay, astros
Speaker 1: second hour, since we'll talk to Richard Justice a great
Speaker 1: baseball right, well, let's do Burrow versus Trevor Lawrence? Who
Speaker 1: would you draft? To start off that? Okay, Rick Newhischel,
Speaker 1: CBA Sports College football analyst in attendance in the game
Speaker 1: for the game last night, he joins us, Rick, good morning,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Let me start with the question
Speaker 1: that we're kind of pondering. If the draft were today
Speaker 1: and both Trevor Lawrence and obviously Joe Burrow were eligible,
Speaker 1: who would you take if he were running the Bengals.
Speaker 1: I'm taking Joe Burrow. I think the guy minus maybe
Speaker 1: the ninety five mile an hour fastball. The guy is
Speaker 1: completely in control, completely. He has the ability to kind
Speaker 1: of go back to sophomore class in high school, just
Speaker 1: dissects the opponent. I mean, you remember what we did
Speaker 1: to those frogs. He's done it to defenses over and
Speaker 1: over again. This guy is special. What changed after the
Speaker 1: first quarter for Burrow last night. Well, I you know,
Speaker 1: Brent Bennables give him a lot of credit. He was
Speaker 1: going to play very, very tight in those underneath zones,
Speaker 1: very aggressive man when they were in zone, even playing
Speaker 1: man in zone kind of concepts catch concepts down there,
Speaker 1: making it very difficult to throw the easy throws that
Speaker 1: have been so you know, the usual for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: So they had to go down the field, and that
Speaker 1: fifty two yard passed to Chase broke things open. At
Speaker 1: the start of the second half, they had three cover
Speaker 1: zero plays and two of them resulted in sacks, the
Speaker 1: other almost a near pick, and then they went back
Speaker 1: down the field again. So once Burrow and that brain
Speaker 1: trust on their offensive staff realized how competitive they were
Speaker 1: going to be in those underneath zones, they started going
Speaker 1: down the field and the rest, as they say, is history. Well,
Speaker 1: we talked to you a couple of weeks ago and
Speaker 1: you compared Joe Burrow I think more athletic Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: What kind of reaction did you get after you said that? Oh,
Speaker 1: I had a bunch of folks saying to me that
Speaker 1: that's nuts, that's crazy. But it's amazing how things come
Speaker 1: around Dan that I still absolutely stand by that, this guy,
Speaker 1: I mean he has the perfect compliment of weapons. He's
Speaker 1: got all the different abilities that we look for in
Speaker 1: terms of pocket presence, the ability to move in the pocket,
Speaker 1: extend plays. His accuracy is unquestioned, his anticipation skills. But
Speaker 1: he also has a dad that's a defensive coordinator that
Speaker 1: sits there and you know, has taught him all to
Speaker 1: tell it if he's though in a poker game that
Speaker 1: knows everybody's cards, and his ability to manipulate the secondary,
Speaker 1: get what he wants and then throw accurately is off
Speaker 1: the charts. How do you think Joe Burrows Seethan's going
Speaker 1: to be remembered in NCAA history. Oh, it's one of
Speaker 1: the all time greats. Everybody's gonna, you know, wonder who
Speaker 1: can have the Borough effect? This guy I was sixteen
Speaker 1: touchdown passes and ten interceptions a year ago. He just
Speaker 1: threw sixty touchdown pass If we just took his improvement,
Speaker 1: he would have let the country touchdown pass. I mean
Speaker 1: it was changed because we looked at him and he seemed,
Speaker 1: you know, average last year. What changed is a couple
Speaker 1: of things. Number One, Joe Brady brought in some more formations,
Speaker 1: some New Orleans Saints formations, a lot of constricted formations
Speaker 1: where you bring the receivers closer to the edge line.
Speaker 1: They went to five man protection, so Qlyde Edwards Zulaire,
Speaker 1: instead of sitting there helping, a tackle was now out
Speaker 1: as an escape hatch, so they were able to save
Speaker 1: a lot of plays. Burrow was thorough in terms of
Speaker 1: knowing everything there was to know about the offense and
Speaker 1: making sure all those pieces around him knew everything there
Speaker 1: was to know about the offense. And maybe most importantly,
Speaker 1: they gave him the keys to the car. He was
Speaker 1: allowed to manipulate the protections when he saw things. He
Speaker 1: was allowed to change from run to pass or pass
Speaker 1: to run. He was given the keys to the car
Speaker 1: and allowed to make it go, and that, to me
Speaker 1: is going to be the key at the next level.
Speaker 1: This guy is really, really intelligent, and if you give
Speaker 1: him some autonomy at the line of scrimmage, you're going
Speaker 1: to be happy with the results. He's Rick neewhisl CBS
Speaker 1: Sports College Football on US and of course a former
Speaker 1: college coach. The helmet to helmet head there should be
Speaker 1: great area with this. It feels like it's black or white,
Speaker 1: and then you know you're going to send somebody out
Speaker 1: of a national title game. You know what is intentional targeting,
Speaker 1: what is accidental targeting, and should there be a discrepancy
Speaker 1: between the two. You have hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 1: We have to go as soccer does with the red
Speaker 1: flag and the yellow flower, red card and the yellow card.
Speaker 1: You have to do it. Because Skowski in this game
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been ejected. By anybody's accounts, that's just hard
Speaker 1: playing football. We all understand by letter of the law
Speaker 1: what happened Sean Wade in the Ohio State Clemson game
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been ejected. Those kids are playing hard, they're
Speaker 1: making good football plays. Certainly, we can continue to teach
Speaker 1: fundamentals and keeping your head up, but there has to
Speaker 1: be a grade of targeting those If you'd need to
Speaker 1: throw a flag and you need to march off fifteen yards,
Speaker 1: so be it so that we continue to teach the
Speaker 1: proper fundamentals about keeping your eyes up. But Tod walked
Speaker 1: those guys out of a stadium in that kind of setting,
Speaker 1: given the way they are playing and what they meant
Speaker 1: to their respective teams, is ridiculous. More likely to be
Speaker 1: back in the National Title game next year. Between these
Speaker 1: two programs, Oh Clemson, Miles Brennan the backup quarterback at
Speaker 1: Las year and now the Air Apparent has got some
Speaker 1: big shoes to fill. And Trevor Lawrence now tasting defeat
Speaker 1: for the first time. He was twenty four, twenty five
Speaker 1: and ol going into the game last night, is going
Speaker 1: to have a great offseason. He'll be motivated, They'll keep
Speaker 1: working with him. You know, that was just a footwork
Speaker 1: issue last night. He was a little uncomfortable in the pocket.
Speaker 1: The ball was sailing on him. But he's got all
Speaker 1: the skills to be the first pick a year from now.
Speaker 1: Why was Nick Saban there? Aside from the obvious that
Speaker 1: he got hired by ESPN, But would you want to
Speaker 1: be there? If you're Nick Saban and you're not playing
Speaker 1: in the National title game, you didn't even get into
Speaker 1: the final four. It's an interesting question. I listen they
Speaker 1: ask him, and I think they've got plans for him
Speaker 1: after his coaching career. The question is how much longer
Speaker 1: does Nick want to go? The draw of that kind
Speaker 1: of stage probably is the reason why he was why
Speaker 1: he was there, but it's it's it's a great question.
Speaker 1: I don't know any of us know exactly how long
Speaker 1: Nick Saban wants to go, but nothing motivates him more
Speaker 1: than defeat. And that a couple of losses this year
Speaker 1: is going to Rankle and his crouse, they say, And
Speaker 1: I think we'll see Alabama back amongst the elite very
Speaker 1: very soon. Why was he wearing blue? She didn't like
Speaker 1: the color? You thought it clashed? Maybe? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I like you realize, I like this lady was going
Speaker 1: to wear a very very u you know, coordinated color
Speaker 1: with him. So maybe he was working that angle. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe I got obsessed over Saban being there. But when
Speaker 1: I saw him in blue and I got I thought, God,
Speaker 1: I didn't didn't know he had any other colors in there.
Speaker 1: Excep for Crimson, his sport coach designer is let's just say,
Speaker 1: not not afraid to take chances. The top eleven college
Speaker 1: football players of all time was revealed at halftime. Got
Speaker 1: any problems with this list? I really didn't. Obviously, we
Speaker 1: have seen a transition from the running back to the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Is time marches on. As you saw the running backs
Speaker 1: counted off in those final four and it was fun
Speaker 1: to be in attendance and hear the uh the ovations
Speaker 1: for the different guys, herschel Walker getting a monster ovation
Speaker 1: and they're an SEC country. Would you put Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: in that group right now based off of one season?
Speaker 1: Because I look now, I'm I'm going to let it
Speaker 1: settle because Barry Sanders is in there. Barry Sanders is
Speaker 1: in there for one season. Jim Brown had one great season.
Speaker 1: I believe it's syracused. Herschel had a few. Bo Jackson
Speaker 1: had the Heisman Trophy season. Yeah, I'm just curious about that.
Speaker 1: That this. If you look, I got running back, Jim Brown,
Speaker 1: herschel Walker running back, Bo Jackson running back, Archie Griffin
Speaker 1: running back, Jim Thorpe running back, Red Grains running back,
Speaker 1: Earl Campbell running back. That's the That's the top seven
Speaker 1: players in college football history. Then I go with Dick
Speaker 1: Buck as the defensive player. Been another running back, then
Speaker 1: another running back, Barry Sanders, Gale Stairs. I got one.
Speaker 1: I want Tim Tebow. I think should have been in there,
Speaker 1: and I thought he was going to be one, believe
Speaker 1: it or not, no argument from me, But as I
Speaker 1: sit there and I think historically it's It's really kind
Speaker 1: of fascinating how the rules have changed the game, such
Speaker 1: to the fact that now the quarterback is the key component,
Speaker 1: because obviously, as we go back in time, it was
Speaker 1: the running back that led all things. So it's just
Speaker 1: an interesting perspective of history of our game. And I'm
Speaker 1: with you that quarterbacks should have been included as we
Speaker 1: look back in one hundred and fifty years of college football.
Speaker 1: Stay travel is always great to talk to you, Rick.
Speaker 1: Thank you, all right, my friend, I'm gonna try to
Speaker 1: slip out of the big obc here. Okay, good luck.
Speaker 1: Rick Neuheisel's CBS Sports college football analyst. I always learned
Speaker 1: something when I talked to him. He's a bright offensive
Speaker 1: mine is certainly at the quarterbacking position, having played that
Speaker 1: position when he was in college. Yeah, I was just
Speaker 1: wondering about that. What is this list going to look
Speaker 1: like twenty five years from now if they do another
Speaker 1: list like this. Johnny Manzell's season, I mean he had two,
Speaker 1: he had one spectacular season, he had another really good season.
Speaker 1: Tebow in there. Joe Burrow would be on this list right,
Speaker 1: It feels like he would be. If Barry sand is there,
Speaker 1: and look Barry was spectacular for one year, and I
Speaker 1: don't know what this is based on. Herschel was the
Speaker 1: real deal, and he might have been. O. J. Simpson
Speaker 1: would probably be in here for me, having watched him
Speaker 1: and probably one of the first players I saw where
Speaker 1: I went, boy that that guy is different than everybody else.
Speaker 1: I would probably have him in there. Archie one back
Speaker 1: to back, Heisman's um. You know. See, we get into
Speaker 1: these lists and then all of a sudden you start
Speaker 1: being critical of somebody, and then you know, it defeats
Speaker 1: the purpose of celebrating somebody. Yeah, p Well, like Jim
Speaker 1: Brown was number one. When I saw Herschel number two,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they're going Tebow. They went this list.
Speaker 1: By the way, it was rapid, so he had about
Speaker 1: a beat to realize. I'm like, oh, Herchel two, it
Speaker 1: should be Tebow one. Jim Brown never ran for a
Speaker 1: thousand yards in a college football season. Now, there's eight
Speaker 1: games back then, but he was a very good player. Obviously.
Speaker 1: OJ Simpson they didn't put on there because they didn't
Speaker 1: want to invite him because he's aligible to attend. Well,
Speaker 1: there's no reason O. J. Simpson is not on us list.
Speaker 1: He had a better college career, the Barry Center's career,
Speaker 1: and he would have shown up too, no one O, Yes,
Speaker 1: of course he would. Hey, I want to thank you.
Speaker 1: I could be on it here and the big easy.
Speaker 1: What's his opening line to Twitter? Hey? Twitter world? No,
Speaker 1: Twitter World, it is me your frand og. Imagine people
Speaker 1: running like away if you watched the game last night,
Speaker 1: like two magnets, people are running from OJ introduced him
Speaker 1: by that and didn't run. Yes, mclovin, which I put
Speaker 1: Vince Young. I had a tebow too. By the way,
Speaker 1: He's right. I mean he's a good argument, or you
Speaker 1: could make an argument. What do you think of do
Speaker 1: has a saying? There's two different areas though, where there's
Speaker 1: a quarterback here in the running back area, it almost
Speaker 1: feels like a different sport that Earl Campbell was playing
Speaker 1: in the way Tim Tebow is well, the seventies, sixties,
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, it's running backs. I mean, you had
Speaker 1: guys who ran for two Oklahoma State has a running
Speaker 1: back who ran for two thousand yards, right, nobody knows him,
Speaker 1: Chubby Cuba, Hubby. I don't think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: Ruby Hubby. Yea, yeah, there you go. Yeah, you have
Speaker 1: for two thousand yards. Nobody knows what you guys brought.
Speaker 1: Ron Dade, I'm like every other Wisconsin running back right after.
Speaker 1: I hate the go system. But Jonathan Taylor and Melvin
Speaker 1: gor those guys did the same thing Ron Day did.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just certain that Jonathan Taylor and he's
Speaker 1: got like eleven thousand yards, doesn't he something? But like,
Speaker 1: you know, like crazy stuff. Tony Dorsett has six thousand,
Speaker 1: Ricky Wadhams has sixty three hundred. They should be on
Speaker 1: the list. Jim Brown's in for his pro career. This
Speaker 1: does feel like a pro list, but it doesn't it
Speaker 1: if Barry Sanders didn't have a pro career or not
Speaker 1: a great pro career, a good pro career. His his
Speaker 1: one college season was unbelievable. But see, it's hard when
Speaker 1: you do this because then all of a sudden you're
Speaker 1: critical of somebody or saying somebody else should be in there,
Speaker 1: and I don't. Yeah, wasn't Billy Sims and Marcus should
Speaker 1: be much bigger stars than Barry. I mean, Billy Simms
Speaker 1: was certainly a bigger star. Marcus was because of the recruitment,
Speaker 1: but he was only there a year and a half.
Speaker 1: Then he went to the USFL. Billy Simms was a
Speaker 1: big deal. I mean, if you were an Oklahoma running
Speaker 1: back in the seventies and eighties, you were a big deal.
Speaker 1: And Barry was at Oklahoma State and then he came
Speaker 1: in after Thurman Thomas. Yeah, it's it's a list that
Speaker 1: you go. Okay, I mean, Roger Staubach won the Heisman
Speaker 1: and was unbelievable and was probably that run pass option
Speaker 1: before there was a run pass option that we thought of.
Speaker 1: But is he the greatest college quarterback of all time?
Speaker 1: Because that's what you're saying, he's the only quarterback that's
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah. I still think Herschel is number one.
Speaker 1: I really don't think it's close because Herschel was household
Speaker 1: name at eighteen, won a national title at eighteen because
Speaker 1: of him, and he left one year early. But even
Speaker 1: with just three years, he could have won three. Heisman's
Speaker 1: easy deserved it. Well, they weren't giving it to underclassman
Speaker 1: back then, which I railed against because it was like,
Speaker 1: if he's the best player, and I go back to
Speaker 1: Marshall Falk his freshman year, where you go, that guy's
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson like, if they're the best player, then they
Speaker 1: should win the Heisman. You don't have to wait till
Speaker 1: you're a junior. And Herschel could have won it all
Speaker 1: three years as great as he was. And Herschel was
Speaker 1: larger than life. He was very famous before social media,
Speaker 1: before ESPN. His first year was nineteen eighty and ESPN
Speaker 1: really didn't get hot till eighty two. All right, we'll
Speaker 1: take a break. Play of the day coming up, we'll
Speaker 1: get to phone calls. We'll settle on our poll question. Well,
Speaker 1: we did settle on our poll question. Yeah, we put
Speaker 1: up on dp dot com, dpshow app. Who would you
Speaker 1: take a few an NFL team? Kever Lawrence is Joe Burrow,
Speaker 1: And it goes back to I'm looking at something, now,
Speaker 1: do I believe that it's real and doesn't translate to
Speaker 1: the NFL, because that's what you're looking at With Joe Burrow,
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. I think people are probably convinced that he
Speaker 1: will be a great pro. You're not quite sure with
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, even though Burrow put up maybe the greatest
Speaker 1: single season efficiency wise that a quarterbacks ever turned in
Speaker 1: Yon eleven. I think recency bias. I mean like Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence was like when Nucleus was hitting the mascot last night,
Speaker 1: he could not hit it. He why was he overthrowing
Speaker 1: by so far? I don't know how often he faced
Speaker 1: pressure like that. I mean he's in the ACC And
Speaker 1: how many times are you down by fourteen points or
Speaker 1: something where you gotta make something happen. You're telling me
Speaker 1: Wake fourth doesn't get after you like that or not
Speaker 1: not too often. I don't think ah that Wake defensive.
Speaker 1: I could give Wake fifteen players and they might not
Speaker 1: get after you like that. But also LSU, you're playing
Speaker 1: at LSU. Now, Oh, let me see Chritzie just sent
Speaker 1: me Jonathan Taylor from Wisconsin's official number A six thousand,
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy four. Thank you. It feels like
Speaker 1: eleven thounds though, and then he's declared for the draft,
Speaker 1: so he'll be he'll be three and done there at Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: But doesn't every Wisconsin running back get it? It's mandatory,
Speaker 1: you gotta have four yards four thousand for your career.
Speaker 1: They all actually turned out to be okay pros. James
Speaker 1: White's pretty good, Melvin Gordon's pretty good. Yeah, Ron Dane
Speaker 1: didn't have a great pro career. He was a big disappointment,
Speaker 1: wasn't He is Dane the all time leading roaster. You know,
Speaker 1: I was looking this up recently. There's some controversy about
Speaker 1: which games count for Dane. Do you count all the
Speaker 1: postseason games? I think he is a stating, but there's
Speaker 1: different measurements about it. Whether you know how they play,
Speaker 1: like sixteen games to us and number now that's true.
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Speaker 1: with ten thousand assists for his career. I don't know
Speaker 1: how long he's going to play. I still believe he's
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Speaker 1: into the NBA, and by then you'll be able to
Speaker 1: go in right after high school if he's that talented.
Speaker 1: But what's Lebron gonna end up with he's going to
Speaker 1: be top five in scoring? Will he be top five
Speaker 1: in assists? I don't know where he'd be with rebounds
Speaker 1: and steals. Yeah, I McLevin so I got magic as
Speaker 1: fifth and assists at ten thousand, one hundred and forty one.
Speaker 1: Lebron's at nine thousand and sixty seven, so he's about
Speaker 1: a thousand hind Okay, I think he's very doable for sure. Yes,
Speaker 1: Lebron's gonna get over five hundred just this year and
Speaker 1: in counting because this is gonna be one of his
Speaker 1: better years, best year of his career for assists, he's
Speaker 1: there in ten point seven, yeah, and pluses he gets older,
Speaker 1: you know he's going to probably continue this rule as
Speaker 1: long as Anthony Davis is there. But I do think
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Speaker 1: like everybody is for sale in that lineup except for
Speaker 1: Lebron and Anthony Davis, because they're looking at who were
Speaker 1: we going to add here to make us I mean,
Speaker 1: they're already a great team, very good team, but it
Speaker 1: feels like Rob Polinka, their GM is open for business,
Speaker 1: including Kyle Kuzma. Yeah, if Lebron plays even just two
Speaker 1: more seasons at this general pace. At worst he's third
Speaker 1: behind Stockton, and kid, he'll he'll pass Steve Nash versus
Speaker 1: for third place? What about Steel? Now? People don't I
Speaker 1: mean John Stockton I think is your old time Steele's leader.
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody cares about that number. But
Speaker 1: assist and points Lebron top five score of all time. McLevin, Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: he's fifty eighth and rebounding. But who can he hound
Speaker 1: on the all time scoring list? There can he get?
Speaker 1: So it's Kareem Malone, Novitski. Those are the three? Uh No,
Speaker 1: I have it as Kareem Malone, Kobe Lebron, then Jordan
Speaker 1: then nos can he get Kobe? Oh yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he will this within a month. And with Actually, if
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the right numbers, he's about one hundred
Speaker 1: and ten points away, so he'd be three on the
Speaker 1: all time list. Yeah. Then Carmelo's at thirty six thousand
Speaker 1: and certainly get that, so it looks like he's Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Kareem's only at thirty eight seems very doable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: rebounds he's a little farther behind, but he's he's clessed
Speaker 1: in he's gonna have an impressive rebound number two like
Speaker 1: top thirty. At least update the poll results if you can, Okay,
Speaker 1: if you could take if you're an FL team, you
Speaker 1: could take Trevor Lawrence or Joe Burrow sixty four percent.
Speaker 1: Say Joe Burrow, Okay, it's a little bit of recency
Speaker 1: buyas if Trevor Lawrence and clemsoned one last night, then
Speaker 1: what would those numbers? They'd be probably flipped. I mean,
Speaker 1: Burrow's guarantee one, you guys keep saying, and I'm starting
Speaker 1: to buy it. Trevor Lawrence is not a guaranteed number
Speaker 1: one anymore. Well, we have a bet, yep, we gotta
Speaker 1: I don't know what. We have a shower shame wheeld punishment.
Speaker 1: We have a bet, but maybe maybe the loser has
Speaker 1: to wear a Trevor Lawrence like wig during the entire show. Oh,
Speaker 1: I like that, and you can flip it back. I
Speaker 1: mean about Ohio State quarterback Justine a run. But there
Speaker 1: might be somebody who appears out of note. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is just who thought Joe Burrow existed? Who thought
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield? Of Kyler Murray? Who's all Kyler Murray? Would
Speaker 1: be never warred over. I know we're looking at this
Speaker 1: Ron Dane as the all time rushing leader if you
Speaker 1: include bowl games. But we included the bowl games. For
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow to have the most touchdown passes in a
Speaker 1: single season with sixty, he passes Colt Brennan who played
Speaker 1: at Hawaii. Remember when in Hawaii used to Timmy Chang.
Speaker 1: I think they used to have these quarterbacks just like
Speaker 1: Texas Tech did where they figured out June Jones figured
Speaker 1: it out, just like Mike Leach figured it out. Yes,
Speaker 1: paul In Barry standers in nineteen eight eight, his one
Speaker 1: season of college football, he averaged two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: yards resident That means if you held him into two ten,
Speaker 1: you had a decent day on defense. Some people are asking,
Speaker 1: why don't we have a reporter on from Los Angeles today,
Speaker 1: not somebody from Houston. Well, the reason why the reporter
Speaker 1: from Houston is on is Richard Justice. That's just where
Speaker 1: he lives. He writes for MLB dot Com. The listener says,
Speaker 1: the Dodgers and their fans are the injured parties here
Speaker 1: with the astros. Well, there's no guarantee that you Well,
Speaker 1: then the Yankees are the injured party as well here,
Speaker 1: and if you want to strip him of the World Series,
Speaker 1: I would have no problem with that. I would have
Speaker 1: no problem. But that doesn't mean they're going to give
Speaker 1: it to you. It's vacated. Did Vince Young get the Heisman?
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