1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties, 2 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: the podcast where we talk through some of the big 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: life changes and transitions of our twenties and what they 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: mean for our psychology. Hello, everybody, Welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode. This week, it's a fabulous, 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: wonderful guest episode with a lovely human. I'm so glad 7 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: to have her on board. Thank you. Oh my gosh, 8 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: that's so sweet. Um. What's your name? Yeah, yeah, I'm Laura. Hi. Hi. Um, yeah, 9 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: it's so fun to be here. Yeah, how really exciting Laura. Um, 10 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: how do we know each other before we jump into 11 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: we have a mutual friend? Um? Yeah? EJ Yeah, because 12 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: she's on the podcast. J and Jah Yeah they were. 13 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: Yeah they were last time. Yeah, we'll EJ and Jr. 14 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: Are my roommates. Yes, we went out to dinner and 15 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: then we got chatting and here I am. That's how 16 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: it works. If you ever want to come on the podcast, 17 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna like vaguely approach you after that a 18 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: weird Mexican dinner and be like, Hi, you should come 19 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: on the podcast. That's basically what I did with you. 20 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 1: Remember Instagram, dudes, because yeah, you said it like at 21 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: dinner when I told you about what I was doing 22 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: at UNI. Yeah, and then I was like, oh, I 23 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: think she I think I might be on the podcast, 24 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: and I was just kind of waiting to see if 25 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: it actually if it actually happened. Yeah, and then you 26 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: messaged me. I was like, so exciting, I've been terms. Yeah. 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: I always think to my word, I feel like, once 28 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: i've met someone, I'm like, I love this. I love 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: your vibe. And it sounds like I'm like approaching you 30 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: for like a thre vibe. That's really funny, but like 31 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: I love their vibe. They have an interesting story of 32 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: which you do, which you're going to get into very shortly. 33 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, here we go, yes, next step, So maybe 34 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: that's worth talking about. Yeah, what I do? Why? Why 35 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: why are you on the show today? What's what's what's 36 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: special special about me? Um? Well, the thing you know 37 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: that made you approach me was my unique degree. So 38 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: I do a degree in forensic moutry. So I don't 39 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: know if for people who don't really know what that means, UM, 40 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: when someone dies, I will perform an autopsy and figure 41 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: out how they died essentially. Yeah. Yeah, So I do 42 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: a medical degree. Yeah, a medical degree. Yeah, that's a 43 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: really great way to put it. Yeah, because it's Bachelor 44 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: of Medical Science in brackets forensic moultry. That's my official title. 45 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: That's okay. One thing that I've wanted to know is 46 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: how many people are in your course because so I 47 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: just quickly say this. The reason also I wanted to 48 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: bring you on this because I'm trialing this new series 49 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: called Unconventional where I get people such as yourself, who 50 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: are doing career paths that I wouldn't say an alternative, 51 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: like it is still a definite, established career path and 52 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: something that's very necessary in society. Yes, something that I 53 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: think most children aren't, like when I grow up, I 54 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: want to be a mortician, Yeah, the same way that 55 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: I want to be a ballerina or I want to 56 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: be a doctor or Yeah. So I was like, this 57 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: is such an interesting an interesting concept to me, and 58 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: you're such an interesting person that you have decided to 59 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: do this, and yeah, So how many other people would 60 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: you say are in the same boat with you? Well, 61 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure there's eighteen of us currently because I'm 62 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: in my last semester at UNI. So yeah, in two 63 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: weeks I'm that's it. I'm graduated. Yeah, very exciting, very 64 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: nerve wracking, but exciting. But yeah, I think there's eighteen 65 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: of us currently. But I don't think that everyone actually 66 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: will go into the field of forensic Mountree technician. I 67 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: think that a few people want to go on to 68 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: do research and things like that. So it's very small 69 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: compared to my other UNI classes because I have like 70 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: a placement like unit and yeah, there's eighteen of us, 71 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: eighteen people. Yeah, and what do you mean by research 72 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: because you obviously want to be hands on. Yes, um, 73 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people just want to do it. Um. 74 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: Maybe it's like a stepping stone into other kind of 75 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: medical things. I'm not really sure. We have a lot 76 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: of people from very diverse like areas. I know, like 77 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: someone I used to do it with, UM wanted to 78 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: be a teacher, was a teacher beforehand and has now transitioned. 79 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of different stories within how people 80 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: end up there because it's definitely not and it's unconventional. 81 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I was going to say normal. I was like, no, unconventional, 82 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: that's a very good word. I think it's totally normal. 83 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: Do you think, yeah, what do you think of some 84 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: of the common Sorry we're about to get into serious questions. Yeah, 85 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: I just want like spitballing here, because yeah, this is 86 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: so fascinating. But what do you think of some of 87 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: the reasons people get into this field or why did 88 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: you decide like this is what I want to do 89 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: with my life right now? Yeah? Well, um, I've always 90 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: been really into like science, and I really loved like 91 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,119 Speaker 1: biology that kind of thing at school. And I think 92 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: I used to I always really fucked up my words, 93 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: but yeah, always Really I used to want to be 94 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: a vet because I really like animals. Obviously, you know 95 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: that that's what I do, is my side hustle. At 96 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: the moment, I was looking after dogs exactly. That's carrying 97 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: me through UNI. But I really I ended up doing 98 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: a volunteering work at a vet clinic when I was 99 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: probably about fourteen, and I really liked, like watching the surgeries. 100 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: I thought it was really interesting. The reason that I 101 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: stopped doing that was because when people were crying about 102 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: putting their dogs down, I just wanted to cry with 103 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: them and it was so heartbreaking, and I was like, 104 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: this is not very professional if I cry with every 105 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: single person, So I switched. And then when I was sixteen, 106 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: I was really obsessed with this show called Silent Witness 107 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: on the BBC. I used to watch it every Friday 108 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: with my mum. Yeah, what's it about. It's out a 109 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: forensic anthologist. So yeah, so forensic moultary technician is what 110 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: I will be after this, whereas forensic achologist is kind 111 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: of like the higher the analogy that I made too 112 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: earlier about the nurse versus the surgeon, Yeah, that's so. 113 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: It was about the certain one, the forensic anthologist, and yeah, 114 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: I just thought it was really interesting watching her dissect 115 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: people essentially, And because I've always been interested in medicine, 116 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: I just started googling how to become a forensic anthologist 117 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: and then I found this degree and then since I 118 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: was sixteen, I just kind of stuck with it. I 119 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: just decided, Okay, that's what I'm going to do. Yeah, 120 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: so I don't really I just kind of I just 121 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: kind of stumbled into it, I guess, and I've just 122 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: stuck with it. But I've really whilst because I've just 123 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: finished my UM, because I'm in my last degree, my 124 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: last degree in my last semester. I've just finished my 125 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: clinical placement period. And the part that I actually found 126 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: that I've really enjoyed about it was feeling like I 127 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: was taking care of people when they couldn't anymore. Oh, 128 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: that's such a beautiful way of putting it. Yeah, because 129 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: there was a couple cases that were quite confronting, and 130 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: or because obviously our job is to find cause of death, 131 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: so you need to know their medical history, their personal history. 132 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: We get a story that comes kind of with them 133 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: from the police about what happened, that kind of thing, 134 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: so that we and the apologist knows what to look for. 135 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,239 Speaker 1: Because the whole point is to be as noninvasive as possible, 136 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: because you don't really want to be, you know, doing 137 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: all these procedures to someone if you don't have to, 138 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: if you could just do a scan, a CT scan 139 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: and find a cause of death. But so some of 140 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: the ones that were more challenging, it felt really nice 141 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: to like after we'd done a procedure, especially sometimes we 142 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: wash their hair. We like we wash the body down, 143 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: you know, we make sure they're really clean, and we 144 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: restore them, like part of the job is restoration. So 145 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: it's it felt really nice to be able to wash 146 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: their hair, brush their hair, and make sure they were 147 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: like taken care of. And I felt even though it 148 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: was a hard thing to do, it made me feel 149 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: like I was helping them in a way when they 150 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: couldn't help themselves anymore. Yeah. Yeah, so I think that's 151 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: actually something that I didn't think about before I went 152 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: on placement, but that that really it made me feel good, 153 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: like I felt like I was doing something so like 154 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: so worthwhile. Yeah, yeah, that is absolutely stunning. I like 155 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: that is such not that there are any wrong answers. Yeah, 156 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: what a beautiful answer. And do you think that that 157 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: is like a common motivation like wanting to Obviously you 158 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: came into this being like I'm just fascinated by this. 159 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: I've had this um, you know, fictional hero who does 160 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: this kind of work, and it's brought me into this 161 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: kind of field. And but do you think now that 162 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: you're kind of beginning to work in this profession on 163 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: a professional level, like doing it as almost you're almost 164 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: about to graduate and it's going to become your job. Yeah, 165 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: what do you think some of those really important skills 166 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: or traits are to have if you want to if 167 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: you're considering pursuing this kind of job. Yeah, so everyone. 168 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: Pretty much everyone that I like interacted with whilst I 169 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: was on this placement period, they all we all had 170 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: that same respect, like obviously, you know, it's not a 171 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: normal thing, this job, Like it's not normal to deal 172 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: with dead people every day, and it's very like confronting 173 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: and mentally tiring. But I've never felt more supported in 174 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: a work environment than when I was on that placement 175 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: period because that I remember my lecturers have actually discussed 176 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: this with us before, like when I started kind of 177 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: this year, that it's so important to make those connections 178 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: with your like like your peers and your co workers 179 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: in the future because no one else will understand what 180 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: you're going through than those people. And so it was 181 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: like this beautiful community and everyone shares this respect for 182 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: like how important what we're doing is, and that you know, 183 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: person like whoever they are, someone loved them some they 184 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: were someone's entire world, and it's so important that we 185 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: find out what happened to them, to give that family closure, 186 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: but to also respect them as a person and to 187 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: make sure that they're taken care of. And I felt 188 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: that with everyone that that's a shared kind of belief 189 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: and like the motivation for it yeah, I think that 190 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: answered your question. Honestly, it's really changing my perspective because 191 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: I think when we think of people who deal with 192 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: dead bodies, it can be really strange. Yeah. Would you 193 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: find that's like a reaction a lot of people have. Yeah, 194 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: I I the only kind of two reactions I get 195 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: when people ask what I do, which comes up all 196 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: the time. I feel like I talk about my degree 197 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: all the time, because you know, you go to the 198 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: hairdress and they ask you what you're up to, and 199 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: I go, oh, I'm at UNI, and they go, oh, 200 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: what do you do at UNI? And then I have 201 00:10:55,480 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: to go I cut up dead people? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 202 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: like oh I stuff on the internet? Yeah, um yeah. 203 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: I either get like, oh my god, wow, that's so cool. 204 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: I love ncis like the amount of people that are like, 205 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: oh I used to love criminal minds um and or 206 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: I've had a couple of people who kind of go 207 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: oh and they give me like this weird look, like 208 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: oh okay, that makes and someone even told me once 209 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: that oh that makes me feel a little uncomfortable and Okay, 210 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: why someone has to do it? Yeah, exactly, And I 211 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: think that, honestly, I was actually talking about this with 212 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: one of my arm supervisors I had on placement that 213 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: this I feel like a lot of it is because 214 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: you know, like you watch movies and TV shows and 215 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: that and a lot of the time like the morticians 216 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: and that they're painted is like this kind of like creeps. 217 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: Like I was gonna say that that's obviously I met you. 218 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: I really like you, Like, yeah, I get along very well. 219 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: You're a lovely human. Wish you see how lovely off 220 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: the microphone? Thank you. But I think my perspective is 221 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: like exactly that before I met you, as like these 222 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: people are like strange ye like middle aged. Then you're 223 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: all balled for some reason. Yeah, in my mind, I 224 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: always think of this is going to be such a 225 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: weird comparison. But if you've ever seen did you watch Riverdale? 226 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: No I didn't. I did it, and you know what, 227 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: I'm glad I did. Now. I like seeing it on 228 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: TikTok all the time and I'm like, it's so bad, 229 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: But I like. It came out in high school when 230 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: I was like fifteen, so I was the target demographic. 231 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: And there's my god, people think I'm so weird. But 232 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: there's this guy on it who's the mortician. And he's 233 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: like called doctor Kurtle or something, and he's the creepiest dude. 234 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: They paid him as like this absolute creep and he's 235 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: always just like he's like taking bribes and stuff and 236 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: just being all like they always film him like he's 237 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: just like eerie, and I hate it because then people 238 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: watch that and then like, yeah, do you think that's 239 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: some of the stigma that comes along with it. I 240 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: think so, I'd like, yeah, like people who work with 241 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: dead people, like people like funeral directors, that people always 242 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: see them as like like what that it's weird. Yeah, 243 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: it's because they're like, well, what's wrong with you? Why 244 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: do you want to work with dead people? Yeah? Yeah, 245 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: but but here we are, Yeah we are. Yeah. But 246 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: I do think that that definitely is something that the 247 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: more that I get into it, the more I'm like, oh, 248 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: I wish that that wasn't a thing, because it is 249 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: like everyone there like just wants to take care of 250 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: the people and like it, like you said, like it's 251 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: someone has to do this job. Yeah, And I like, personally, 252 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: I find it very interesting because I like the science 253 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: of it, Like I I have such a passion for 254 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: like anatomy of the human body, because I think it's 255 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: so interesting the way that we like like born and 256 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: then keep living and just the way that our bodies 257 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: keep us alive all the time, like your organ systems 258 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: and that. I just think it's so interesting. Yeah, and 259 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: that's what I love about it. But then it's also 260 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: the added bit of like being able to take care 261 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: of those people. Yeah, you know, that's kind of my 262 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: thing about it. And you would say that's like the 263 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: best part of your job. Yeah, yeah, I would think so. Yeah, 264 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: And I think as well because like I was only 265 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: on placement for two weeks, but I felt like everyone 266 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: was so friendly and close to each other, because it 267 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: is an experience that only a very few amount of 268 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: people are going to understand. Yeah, because especially the field 269 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: is really small as well, and you know, it's not 270 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: something that most people can relate to. So it felt 271 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,119 Speaker 1: it was like a real kind of community, nice environment, 272 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: and that was really nice as well. Yeah, because I 273 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: can imagine, and please correct me if I'm wrong, like 274 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: the levels of burnout would be pretty high. Yeah, I 275 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: think we do get there is a quite high dropout 276 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: rate in this degree as well. I think just because 277 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: obviously some people really don't it's not for them. It's 278 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: not definitely not for everyone this kind of job, but yeah, 279 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: there's definitely obviously some people dying in incredibly traumatic ways, 280 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: and or even if they're not traumatic, if it's mirrors 281 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: something that's happened in your life, it can be quite 282 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: like triggering. So yeah, there is definitely times where people 283 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: who work in that field are going to freak out 284 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: and not be able to cope with it. But like, 285 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: I think that's why that community is so important. Yeah, 286 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: and that kind of leads to my second question. Second question, 287 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: next question. I feel like we've already touched on many things. 288 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: I know I've already asked you so many questions. But 289 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: what do you think is the hardest part of this? 290 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: But other than you know, the stigmament you said being triggered, Yeah, 291 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: like your own experiences, which is unavoidable I think in 292 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: many professions. Yeah, but what is really what he thinks 293 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: the hardest partum it sounds I don't think that for me, 294 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: the mental toll is the hardest part. I think mine 295 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: is like the physical nature is that it's quite it's 296 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: it's a very physically intensive job and you're on your 297 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: feet all day. I think that's I know that's quite 298 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: a boring answer, but but it's. Yeah, it's just quite 299 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: physically intensive. And that's actually I was thinking about this 300 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: the other day that along with the stigma thing, it's 301 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: like it is a hard job obviously, both emotionally, but 302 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: also physically as well. It's very like labor intensive. You're 303 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: on your feet all the time. You know, people are heavy, 304 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: you have to lift things, you know, like because you know, 305 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: moving bodies around, that kind of thing, Like it's they're heavy. Yeah, 306 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: and so people, you know, it's it's hard, both emotionally 307 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: and physically. And so if people didn't like what am 308 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: I trying to say here, that if people weren't so 309 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: passionate about it, they wouldn't do it. It's not just 310 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: a job that you fall into because it's easy. It's 311 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: you need to be passionate to want to do that job. 312 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: You need to care about going to work every day. 313 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: Yeah that you know, that's the important you know what 314 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, absolutely, And I feel like that is 315 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: the same with a lot of jobs, but particularly in 316 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: your profession. I think most of us don't like to 317 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: think about death, yeah, which is a very very human 318 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: animal reaction, Like even before we were recording this episode, 319 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: we were having this massive chat about loss and grief 320 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: and death and how difficult that is. And do you 321 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: think that in that in any way that working so 322 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: close to those who are no longer alive has impacted 323 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: you when it comes to other things that have happened 324 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: in your life. I think that, Yeah, it definitely, like 325 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: I was telling you before this when we were talking 326 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: about our loss and everything, that yeah, I have. I've 327 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: personally lost a few people in my life, and it 328 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: actually it kind of motivated me to push harder in 329 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: this degree because I think especially during COVID, you know, 330 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: everyone at UNI with I think was struggling with everything 331 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: being online, but I really was d of struggling to 332 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: feel motivated to do it. But I think having those 333 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: my personal experiences, it made me want to help the 334 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: families of these people more because I've been on the 335 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,479 Speaker 1: side of that. You know, I know how traumatic it 336 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: is when you lose someone so like especially unexpectedly, So 337 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: I think that kind of fueled me to want to 338 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 1: do it more because that means that now I can 339 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: be a part of finding out what happened to their 340 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: loved one and being able to tell them like what 341 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: actually happened and yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think it. 342 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: It kind of the being around the dead people all 343 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: the time. I think it actually in a way, it 344 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: has made me like more compassionate and more like just 345 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 1: more aware because obviously, you know, I am, like you're 346 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: around death or day and it makes you really apprec 347 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: It kind of just made me really appreciate like being 348 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: alive and yeah, and just being more gentle around people 349 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: as well, because I have no idea you know, who 350 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: they've lost or or even like sometimes now I see 351 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: because I've seen so many different people come through that 352 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: I sometimes see people on the street and I'm like, 353 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: oh wow, like they remind me of this person, and 354 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: like it makes me want to be nicer because when 355 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: we get these people and we see like their life story, 356 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: and it just makes me be like, I have no 357 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: idea what's going on with anyone else, because that's this 358 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: sad life that someone has lived and now I get 359 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: to take care of them. But like when I'm out 360 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: around living people, it just makes me feel so much 361 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: more compassion because I really have no idea what they 362 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: could be going through kind of thing. Yeah, it feels 363 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: like it's given like you're able to give a gift 364 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: to others in terms of closure. Yeah, exactly, which is 365 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: honestly like one of the best things. Yeah, you can 366 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: hope for if you've lost someone unexpectedly exactly or in 367 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: really tragic circumstances. Yeah, it's just being given a gift 368 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: of closure. But it's also given you, like a much 369 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: stronger a gift of empathy. Yeah. And I would say 370 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: you're already an incredibly passionate person, So thank you. But 371 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: is it um, I just want to touch on that 372 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: part that just one thing that you said to me 373 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: that I was like, wow, that's really interesting when you 374 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: see people on the street, Yeah, who look like people 375 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,719 Speaker 1: that you've seen it at their like most vulnerable end 376 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: of life state. It is it strange like or is 377 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: it more or is it just that singular reaction of 378 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: like because I because you, I can relate to it, 379 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: because you rehind me of someone I want to treat 380 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: you better. It can it be like kind of an 381 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: emotional reaction? Yeah? Sometimes I think it definitely can be, 382 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: especially if someone looks quite similar. And obviously I was 383 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: on the un placement for two weeks, so I feel 384 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: like when you work there, obviously you're more going to happen, 385 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: but sometimes reading people's stories, Yeah, like you might feel 386 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: more connected with someone because you look at their story 387 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh wow, Like that's similar to me. 388 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: And I think then if you saw someone who looked 389 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: like them in public, then that would be more of 390 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,719 Speaker 1: an emotional thing. But I also think that, um, a 391 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: lot of it is like you get quite desensitized too 392 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: that because you kind of have to, because if you 393 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: go in and you're like so sad about death every day, 394 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to do the job. Yeah, 395 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: and like and like ultimately like I'm you know, I'm 396 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: there to do this job as best I can and 397 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: make sure that these people are looked after, So I 398 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: kind of you kind of need to leave that, um 399 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: and yeah, and yeah, there's a you really have to 400 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: be quite mentally strong to be able to separate your 401 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: work from your home life and not take work home 402 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: with you. But yeah, I definitely like sometimes I yeah, 403 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: you would see people and I'm like, wow, yeah, you 404 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: look just like this personal. Yeah, what cases do you 405 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: think are the hardest. Do you think it's people who 406 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: were our age who are young or Yeah, I don't. Um, yeah, obviously, yeah, 407 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: children is always a hard one. Yeah, um, but I 408 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: find more the stories, yeah are the harder ones. Um, 409 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: when it's you read one that someone had no family 410 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: or something or that they were alone, Like that is 411 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: a hard one, um more than like yeah, like it's 412 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: it's very like determined on like the case. Yeah, but 413 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: there's yeah, it's definitely yeah, children, children is a hard one. 414 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: I even find sometimes just um, like elderly people because 415 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: obviously we live in an aging yeah, like aging population. 416 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, it is, it is. There's Yeah, it makes 417 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: you realize there's a lot of old people that, um, 418 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: especially like die alone, which is very I find that sad. Yeah. Yeah, 419 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: that's one of my biggest fears. Yeah, I honestly because 420 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: like this is a kind of a tandard. But sometimes 421 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I want to like, um, you know, 422 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: be alone forever and like just marry and be single 423 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: and just like live a great life, a childless life, 424 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: Like yeah, I just get a travel and then I'm 425 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 1: like the flip side of that is like what if 426 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: I end up dead and no one finds me? Yeah? 427 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: Weeks Yeah, yeah, those are always because you do read 428 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: about stories like that where like neighbors called because of 429 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: you know, as flies on the windows there's a smell 430 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: and that Yeah, which is so? Which is which is sad? Sad? 431 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: It's like the other one. I read this really sad 432 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: story today about this guy who was found in Wa 433 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: kind of related, not really, but um Wa for those 434 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: American listeners is a state in Australia and they he 435 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: was what's it called not a motorbike rider mountain bike 436 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: round and he had been missing for like ten days 437 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,719 Speaker 1: or something, and no one knew who he no one 438 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: who noticed that he was missing, and he got into 439 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: like a really bad accident while he was mountain bike 440 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: riding and some woman with her dog like found him. Yeah, 441 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, that is really really sad that 442 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 1: there is no one to notice the absence exactly. Yeah, like, 443 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: no one to notice your absence because your presence, yeah exactly. 444 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: Wasn't that felt? And I'm sure his press was felt 445 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: in ways that yeah, we might not even know, yeah, 446 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: but I can definitely say why that would be very 447 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: very difficult. Yeah, yeah, definitely. There's been ones whilst I 448 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: was on a two week placement that we would read 449 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: and it's like because that you tend to chat about 450 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: them a lot as well, because, like I said, like 451 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: that community, no one else understands what you're going through, 452 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: so we tend to there's a lot of talk about like, oh, well, 453 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: that's sad, and we all read the story and we 454 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: that's really nice. Yeah, there's a lot of conversation about it. 455 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: And yeah, I remember there was one um where we 456 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: will so sad because yeah, no one, no family, like 457 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: they'd been left for a while, and then that's it is. 458 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: It's hard because it's like that's it's that's sad that 459 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: there was no one, yeah, to realize that you were missing, 460 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: or no one checking up on you. Yeah. Yeah, And 461 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: do you feel like I feel like that would almost 462 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 1: make what you were saying better, whereabout you're able to 463 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: give them that like exactly, Yeah, my god, I can 464 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: hear the noise that because that something's hard. Sorry if 465 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: you guys can hear that. But but someone's having a 466 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: little party in the street, go off, we're wrong about death. 467 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: They're living life. Duality of man. Duality of man. Okay, 468 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: So we had a little bit of a distraction because 469 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: there were people walking up and down the street having 470 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: an amazing time but I guess that actually really links 471 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: to what I want to talk about next. And we 472 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: have kind of touched on this before, But how do 473 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: you think this work has changed your perceptions around death 474 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: and what a good death is? Yeah? Um, I obviously 475 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people would think that 476 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: there's probably no good way to die, because obviously it's 477 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: a it's not a good thing. But I think it 478 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: has just made me appreciate being like alive more. I 479 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: think I said that before, but um, yeah, I don't know. 480 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: It's it's hard to like say what a good death 481 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: is because like you can never really that's it's the 482 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: one thing that you can't really control. I mean actually 483 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: likes some people in terms of yes, like with suicides 484 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: and that, But yeah, I don't. I don't think there's 485 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: really a good time ever to die. But I like 486 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: what we were talking about before of not being alone, 487 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: like I would just not That's what I wouldn't like. 488 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: I wouldn't enjoy being left, if that makes sense. But 489 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: then again, that's why I think I feel like this 490 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: job is really important, is that then we can help. Yeah, 491 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, do you find that this job makes you 492 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: think more about death? Um? I do think actually, yeah, 493 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: because I think then in terms of however that person 494 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: has died, whether it be you know, an accident or 495 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: a medical thing. I was saying to you before, I've 496 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: never felt like I wanted to be healthier in my 497 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: life because obviously, you know, obesity and that is a 498 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: big problem within modern like the modern world. And wow, 499 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: I have never wanted Yeah, well, because even if someone 500 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: looks relatively healthy on the outside, sometimes I don't know 501 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: if you've ever heard of the phrase, like I think 502 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: someone said it when I was in high school, but 503 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: like skinny fat where it's like skinny on the outside 504 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: but fat on the inside. What does that mean? So 505 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: like when you have like not sometimes a poor diet, 506 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: but like your organs can develop. This is just like 507 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: a medical lesson. Yeah, they develop, You develop more fat 508 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 1: around your organs. So even if you look relatively healthy 509 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: in quotations on the outside, your organs can be quite unhealthy. Yea, 510 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: and yeah, and so sometimes now I think I'm like, wow, 511 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: they when someone I know is quite thin, or like 512 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: you see someone who's quite thin but maybe they don't 513 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: eat well, I'm like they could still be really unhealthy, 514 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: really unhealthy on the inside, and it's yeah, because I 515 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: don't think about that with myself a lot. Like I 516 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: think that I you know, I would I relatively healthy 517 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: and you know, I like I do my exercise, but like, wow, 518 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: maybe my organs don't look great. That's so weird because 519 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: you would see them, you would see like what it 520 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: looks like. Well, and that's the other thing as well, 521 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: with like I was talking about this with the other people, 522 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: I want on placement with that now. Sometimes I see 523 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: people and I'm like, I bet I know what your 524 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: organs look like. Really, yeah, because hopefully my organs are 525 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm sure your organs would beautiful. Thank you 526 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: so much. You I exercise, I promise, Yeah, I had 527 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: some strawberries for lunch. Yes. What's the weirdest organ do 528 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: you think? Like that you when you're doing your examinations, 529 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: is the one that you're like, oh, yeah, I can't 530 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: wait to get to the brain, or like oh dang, 531 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to remove the pancreas, or like look at 532 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: the pancreas or um. I don't think there's one that 533 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: I like, well, they get excited. I do like to 534 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: look at people's hearts because of your heart, I think 535 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: heart health tells you a lot about overall health because 536 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: obviously it's a very important organ. Um. So I do 537 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: think it's really interesting to see people's hearts because even 538 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: some people who are quite small, Ye, your heart weight 539 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: is supposed to be like roughly, I can't remember the percentage, 540 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: but it's supposed to be a person like a specific 541 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: percentage of your overall body weight to be healthy. And 542 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: some people's hearts are just absolutely massive and I wouldn't 543 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: even think to control that or like that. Health. Yeah, 544 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: heart health is about um not like sometimes diet, but 545 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: mostly exercise, because your heart is a muscle. So the 546 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: more that you work that muscle, yeah, the bigger bigger. Yet, yeah, 547 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: because I think it's I'm not, I'm not the best 548 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: at it, but so well, like I know that your 549 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: diet can affect like your heart and that kind of thing. 550 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: I'm I haven't done my medical degree yet. I'm not 551 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor yet, but yeah, yeah, but you 552 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,959 Speaker 1: know more than most of us. But yeah, so, like 553 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy seeing some people. If you who 554 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: on the outside, you wouldn't think that their organs with 555 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: that unhealthy, but then you open them up and oh, 556 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: my god, wow, look look how big that organ is, 557 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: or look how big their liveries. Look how big their 558 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: heart is. So I do enjoy the heart to see that, 559 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: because that's quite indicative. But I do always just as 560 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,719 Speaker 1: well when you first see the organs. It's always very 561 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: interesting because sometimes it's not what you're expected to see 562 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: at all. It's just like, whoa, they looked quite healthy. 563 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: This is not what I expected, So that's quite interesting. 564 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: But obviously the grossest part is the bowels because oh 565 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: my god, yuck. Wait, explain is that? Tm I? But 566 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: can you explain that more? Like I thought, maybe this 567 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: is my like plep knowledge. When people die, like all 568 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: the in like unprocessed food just gets exerted. Yeah. No, um, 569 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes people do, like I guess, like pee themselves 570 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: put themselves when they die because of that release of muscles. 571 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: But a lot of times you still get it quite 572 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: like because obviously your intestines is quite a long pathway. 573 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: So if it's like somewhere in there that's not close 574 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: to the end, we just have to like scoop it out. Well. Yeah, 575 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: you try to kind of keep the bowel intact because 576 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't smell very nice. Because it's a bowl, but 577 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: sometimes it bursts or it will come out, and yeah, 578 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: you just kind of you wear a hell of a 579 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: lot of ppe like yeah, yeah, personal protective equipment there. 580 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: I wear like seven layers whilst you're I don't even 581 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: think three pairs of gloves, like you're really kitted up, 582 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: because it's and that's just to protect us, because if 583 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: you know, we get everyone from all walks of life. 584 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: They could have anything like I don't want to I 585 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: want to protect myself if they have a disease, or 586 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: just like you just don't really want to get someone 587 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: else's fluid on you because that's just not pleasant. Um. Yeah, 588 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: so you just kind of you just deal with it. 589 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: You It's very much like if anyone's a nurse, they 590 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: would totally get a Nurses get very desensitized to poop 591 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: because that's just part of the job. And it's same 592 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: with this. You just you get used to it. That's crazy, 593 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: because that's a whole different world to the work I do. Yeah, 594 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: someone was pooping on my table all the time. I'd 595 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: be like, what the fuck, why is my office friend 596 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: sitting everywhere? Like what? Okay, this kind of is kind 597 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: of off topic, but I just want to ask really quick, 598 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: what's like the biggest if you told someone about your job, Like, 599 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: what do you think is a fact or something that 600 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: would surprise someone the most about your job? Um? I 601 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: think the one that I think shocks people is the 602 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: amount of people that we get in every day, the 603 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,719 Speaker 1: amount of admissions we have every day. Because obviously everyone 604 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: knows that people die all the time, but even me, 605 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: when I first started my first day of placement, I 606 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: was like, WHOA, that's a lot of people. M yeah, 607 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: because you get you get like I mean, there's not 608 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: a set number obviously because it's not an exact science, 609 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: but yeah, like it's it's a it's a lot um 610 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: and you just don't really think about how many people 611 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: are dying all the time. And so I think that's 612 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: I remember telling my mom about it and she would 613 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: ask like, oh, how many people do have it in today? 614 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: And I'd be like, oh, like nine and she was like, 615 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: whoa nine overnight? I was like, yeah, that nine people? Yeah, 616 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: and how what's the average for it? Would you have 617 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: like an average on a weekly basis, but you obviously 618 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: don't serve the entire no. Yeah, so there's because there's 619 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: three facilities. Does everyone who die have to go through No, 620 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: there's a there's a set of legislation. Um, that's the 621 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: Coroner's Act of two thousand and nine. I'm pretty sure 622 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: it is, like, God, she's done last exam, my lecture 623 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: is listening to this and I got that wrong. Please 624 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,959 Speaker 1: don't yell at me. I'm pretty sure it was Coroner's 625 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: Active thousand and nine. Um. But yeah, there's a list 626 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: of like reasons why someone would be admitted. So, yeah, 627 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: because normally someone dies and then if it was essentially 628 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: if it was not I if it wasn't expected for 629 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: that person, if they weren't supposed to die, or if 630 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: they were going in for a routine operation and then 631 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 1: died that they shouldn't that shouldn't have been the outcome. 632 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 1: That they'll get sent to us. If they're in hospital, 633 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: or if they're in a government facility of any kind 634 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: like hospitals, if they're in custody, if they're in mental 635 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: institutions like anything like that, if they under the care 636 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: of any government agency, then they get sent to us, 637 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: even if they know of what happened. Yeah. Interesting, Yeah, 638 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: because I thought you were about to say the opposite, 639 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm sorry, if someone died in custody, 640 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: I feel like I would want exmination. Yeah, what happened there? No, no, yeah, yeah, 641 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: they all get sent um. Yeah. And it's so it's 642 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: only really like if because normally someone dies, they'll call 643 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: up the police, will call up their doctor and be like, 644 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: will you sign off on this death certificate? You know, 645 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: do you think that they do? You think that they 646 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: this was what you expected for them? And a lot 647 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: of the time doctors will just say yeah, if they've 648 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: had you know, if they've had terminal cancer for four 649 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: years or something, they're going to be like, yeah, I'll 650 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: sign off on that that was expected. Or if they're 651 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: ninety five and they've got this host of health problems, yeah, yeah, 652 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: I'll sign off on that. But I'm pretty sure the 653 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: doctors can also part of the currents actors. If you 654 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: don't report, because they're called like reportable deaths, that's what 655 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: the legislation is under, and if you don't report that 656 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: as a doctor, you can get in quite significant trouble. 657 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: So a lot of time we do get bodies in 658 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: where you'll look at the history and they've got this 659 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: massive long health history and they've been in hospital for 660 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 1: two years or something, and you're like, why are they 661 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: here because I just progresses the progress for the family, 662 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: Like that body, you've just been sent straight to the 663 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: funeral home. They could have their funeral. Yeah, but it's 664 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: a bit unnecessary, like unnecessary grief exactly. But they tend 665 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: to err on the side of caution just because they 666 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: don't want to lose their medical license. But yeah, yeah, 667 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: so yeah, there's definitely something you get in that don't 668 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: need to be there. But not not every single person 669 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: who dies will be sent us. Okay, that is really surprising. Yeah, 670 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: there we go. We're learning more and we've talked about 671 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 1: how it's changed your perspectives on death. But something you 672 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: said to me that really stuck with me when we 673 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: were chatting before we started recording. Yes you could die tomorrow. Yeah, 674 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: m So, how has it impacted like how you live 675 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: your life now? Obviously you want to be healthier, a 676 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: lot more present at more present to every moment and 677 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: being like, oh wow, life is really amazing. Yeah, but 678 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: is there anything else that it's really impacted on for you? Um, 679 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,919 Speaker 1: I think it's it's yeah, it's a hard question because 680 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: I think I've already already as a person with my 681 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 1: own experience, as I've been very much like not taking 682 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: life for granted, Like I'm very much like a live 683 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: in the moment kind of person. But yeah, I do 684 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: think it, Yeah, I really, I just think that it 685 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: just makes me appreciate life more. I'm not sure if 686 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: there's really anything else that it's affected in me as 687 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: a person besides like the compassion, like just more that 688 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 1: kind of thing. Yeah, but maybe that's something you'll see, 689 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: is you get more into it, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Like 690 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: I like, I've only had this very limited kind of 691 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 1: experience because obviously, like I've done I've done a three 692 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: year Unied degree, um so I've like known what it 693 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: was about. But obviously actually experiencing that every day for 694 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: two weeks is yeah a lot more. Yeah, But yeah, 695 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,479 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. It's hard to think of anything 696 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: off the top of head. I think I might just 697 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: it might be something that comes more with time. And 698 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: is it a job that you see yourself doing for 699 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: the rest of your life. We talked about this before. Yeah, 700 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: let's examine that a bit more. Um I it is 701 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:48,439 Speaker 1: incredibly like exhausting both mentally and I mean, I find 702 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: it more physically is at that mentally, but um, I've 703 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: been told by my lectures before that I am just 704 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: a little bit strange in that. Um, nothing really grosses 705 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: me out. Really, Like even when I was on placement, 706 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: there was some cases where the experience technicians were like, 707 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: that's gross and I was like, it doesn't really bother me. Um, 708 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: But definitely like the physical exhaustion and because that, you know, 709 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: it makes me have this more appreciation for life. It's like, 710 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: do I want to be spending my life working all 711 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,720 Speaker 1: the time because it's very because it's very it's long hours, 712 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: because you know, people are dying all the time, and 713 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: there's never any there's there's never any stop to that. 714 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: There's always going to be people dying. And so if 715 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: you you know, we have the weekend off and then 716 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: you come back on Monday, and it's just massive, yeah, 717 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, and I think that's I don't know if 718 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: I could see myself doing it for the rest of 719 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: my life. Like I love it, I really really enjoy it. 720 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: But then again, and it's very much like, um, a 721 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 1: job where it's like that's the job. There's not really 722 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: much more that you can't really progress up in the 723 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: fields unless you do like further study, so like once 724 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: you start, like that's that. Yeah, you know, it's like 725 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: a typical job where it's like maybe not a typical job, 726 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: but like some jobs where you can prepos think about 727 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: a lot of our friends work corporate jobs. Yea for 728 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: the public service, and there's very clear from martial pathways 729 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: and like areas to excel and I have more responsibility. 730 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: But I guess when you have all the responsibility you 731 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 1: need when you're like when you're starting, yeah exactly, Like yeah, 732 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: it's like, well, what I start working, I'll be twenty 733 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,919 Speaker 1: two and then why I'm going to do that until 734 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: I'm like sixty. Yeah, like that's along. So I don't 735 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: I don't know really if I'll do it for it, 736 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 1: but I like, I do enjoy it, and I definitely 737 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: want to pursue it more, and I do I like 738 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: the medical field. I think I don't think that I would, Oh, 739 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to say that I wouldn't 740 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: do anything outside of the medical field because I do 741 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: enjoy my animals side thing, yeah exactly, And I would 742 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: never want to like fully be like, yeah, I won't 743 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: do anything else but I do definitely I see myself 744 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: working in it, and I think the placement definitely made 745 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: me more confident in that because, like the super my 746 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: supervisor was so supportive and they really helped me just 747 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: feel more confident in myself and that little self doubt 748 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 1: that I had that maybe I wasn't like skilled enough 749 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: to do this job or it just wasn't for me 750 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: like that, they really helped to reassure that. And so 751 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: I definitely see myself like working there for at least 752 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: some period of my life. Yeah. Yeah, that's good to hear. Yeah. 753 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: So one of the last couple of questions I really 754 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: want to ask you is we've talked about how it 755 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: can be rough, how it can be physically and mentally training, 756 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: but there's obviously a lot of rewards. What kind of 757 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: what do you do to unwine you know, obviously seeing 758 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: dead bodies all the time and being exposed to death 759 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: can be quite overwhelming. Like what kind of supports you 760 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: in your personal life to be able to do that 761 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: day and day out when you begin working. I have 762 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: a really kind of strong network of well, like I 763 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: have a small amount of very close people in my life. Yeah, 764 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,760 Speaker 1: like my my roommates and my mom and my partner 765 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: like all, like I can talk to them about that 766 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: and if I, yeah, I tell them about what I've 767 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: what I've been through, and like, obviously I can't tell 768 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: them a lot of specifics for legal reasons because of 769 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: confidentiality in that, but it's good to be able to 770 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: tell them at least if I've had a month day 771 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: and those and those people are very important to my 772 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 1: life and that if I tell them that I've had 773 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: a bad day, they will be there for me. Yeah, 774 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,919 Speaker 1: And I also have quite a strong like rewind kind 775 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: of I've really enjoy me time. I'm a very me 776 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: time person at the end of the day. And I 777 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: was telling you before, you know, I do my yoga. 778 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: I have like a pretty strong when I'm in a routine. 779 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: I have a pretty strong like exercise kind of routine, 780 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: like I keep myself like and the yoga for me 781 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: is really nice. Like I put on my meditation music 782 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: and I just kind of step out of my head 783 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 1: for a sec. And I think that's really important for 784 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: me to unwind. Yeah, I think that's kind of the 785 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 1: main thing. So like the yeah, the connections that I 786 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: have with my friends and family. Yeah, and so yeah, 787 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,240 Speaker 1: exactly which I think is in anything is really important. 788 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: But again that community actually in the workplace and being 789 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: able to talk to everyone. And actually whilst at UNI, 790 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: I've it's been really like drawled into us, like to 791 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: make sure you're okay. We had a whole lecture series 792 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: one time about your mental health and making sure you're okay, 793 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 1: And we have to do these reflections as assignments, which 794 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,720 Speaker 1: is essentially just how do I feel. Yeah, our lecture 795 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: is being like are you okay? Because even when I 796 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: wrote a reflection earlier this year, I talked about some 797 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: of my personal experiences and how that was making me 798 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,240 Speaker 1: nervous to go on placement and continue in this career. 799 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: But and then my lecture actually reached out to me 800 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: and was like, please come and talk to me about this, 801 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,359 Speaker 1: and then we arranged have this like one on one 802 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 1: meeting and we like we talked it out with her 803 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: and she was really lovely about it. So it's it's 804 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,479 Speaker 1: been really good support from the Union. But then again 805 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: in my personal life, but I think that's because I 806 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,320 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time like explaining to my family 807 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: and friends, like what exactly I'm doing kind of things 808 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: so they understand it on a deeper level. Like my 809 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,800 Speaker 1: partner knows everything about anatomy, like go off, he watches 810 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,959 Speaker 1: all my life stuff. Yeah yeah, so yeah that's really good. 811 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: And I think final question, you know, the whole kind 812 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: of theme of this is like this is unconventional. Yes, right, yes, 813 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: you're doing something that is so important to society I 814 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: think is really overlooked. Yeah, like when it gets down 815 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,720 Speaker 1: to it, like I think that was half my surprise 816 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 1: when you told me, like I'm you know, I'm a 817 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:48,280 Speaker 1: mortician and all, yeah, what is the forensic technician? Forensic 818 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: moutary technician. And I guess if there's someone listening, maybe 819 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: they found this episode because like I actually want to 820 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: do this. Yeah, maybe they watched the same BBC series 821 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,879 Speaker 1: as Yeah. Interesting. What would be like your one piece 822 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 1: of advice? Um, I definitely think to expose yourself because 823 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: on YouTube actually because it's educational, there is numerous videos 824 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: of autopsies. What. Yeah, that's how I started watching them 825 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: in high school, Like I had a favorite autopsy in 826 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: high school because you can, like you can. It's the 827 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: same way that if you've ever seen like berthing videos 828 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: are on YouTube. Yeah, yeah, because it's educational, so it's 829 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,400 Speaker 1: not it's not it's not gory. Yeah, well, I mean 830 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 1: it exactly, it's like a medical procedure. Yeah. Um, So 831 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: definitely expose yourself to those things because the times that 832 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 1: I was feeling doubts was during lockdown, when I couldn't 833 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 1: have any of my classes online and I wasn't going 834 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: into my like anatomy labs where we had you know, 835 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,919 Speaker 1: the Audebaric specimens and that kind of thing, and that 836 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: was when I was like, do I really want to 837 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: be doing this? And it wasn't until then I was 838 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 1: more in person again and started actually being exposed to 839 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: like the bodies that I like, really reignited my passion 840 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,880 Speaker 1: because I love, like, I'm very interested in the anatomy 841 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,479 Speaker 1: and like the science of it all. So I would 842 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,359 Speaker 1: definitely say that, but um, also just making sure that 843 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 1: like it's not going to be too much yeah for you, 844 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: because that's like I said earlier that there's quite a 845 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: high dropout, right I think in this degree. Um, but 846 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,399 Speaker 1: you're like, again, you're never going to know until you try, 847 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,720 Speaker 1: and if you do have an interest, then that's good. 848 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 1: But saying that, I think that my degree is being 849 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 1: canceled by my UNI because they don't think there's enough. 850 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 1: How are you going to do How are they going 851 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: to do it? Then? I think I think one of 852 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 1: my lecturers wants to make it a master's program and 853 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: a different UNI or something like there will be a pathway. 854 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: But it's yeah, it's it's it's a very small field. 855 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,799 Speaker 1: It's definitely something that's hard to get into. I would 856 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,319 Speaker 1: say it's not well, first, it's not for everyone, but 857 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: it's also yeah, it's very small, everyone knows everyone kind 858 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 1: of thing. Um, So yeah, I think through your choices. 859 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,239 Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, and I think in the future it 860 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: might be a bit harder. Like I'm very privileged that 861 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 1: I had the chance to do this degree because it's 862 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,239 Speaker 1: only been running since twenty nineteen, I think, so, yeah, 863 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: very it hasn't very amazing. Yeah, so, but I think 864 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: I believe they will do it. I know they do 865 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 1: it in other states. It's just me talking New South 866 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 1: Wales in general. Yeah. Yeah, for the Australian Yeah, for 867 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 1: the Australian audience. This is not for an international because 868 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 1: well the job is quite different in other countries anyway. Yeah, 869 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: I can imagine. Yeah, so it very much varies across 870 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,799 Speaker 1: the world, but yeah, I think that's kind of Yeah, 871 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,840 Speaker 1: if you if you really do have a passion for it, 872 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 1: it's definitely worth it because it's a it's an experience. Yeah, 873 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 1: because even the people I went on placement with, like 874 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,440 Speaker 1: I said, a lot of them might not even go 875 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,279 Speaker 1: and end up into this field, but they still went 876 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 1: through the placement because what an experience. Yeah, you know, 877 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: it's not something that everyone else's yeah, like ninety nine point, 878 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 1: they never know what it feels like. Yeah, exactly. Well, Yeah, 879 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming home and thank you 880 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: for having me. It's been fun. Yeah, did you enjoy it? Yeah? Yeah, 881 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 1: did we all learn something? Hopefully? Oh my gosh, hopefully. 882 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,359 Speaker 1: I think we probably do. I definitely learned something. This 883 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 1: is such a fascinating episode, And thank you for just 884 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: sharing your learnings and your experience. Thank you. And to 885 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,359 Speaker 1: be honest, it makes me feel a lot better about 886 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,239 Speaker 1: dying that somebody's going to wash my hair for me 887 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,399 Speaker 1: exactly when I'm dead. We all we do really care. Yeah, Yeah, 888 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: it's honestly really sweet. Like I know that sounds strange 889 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 1: to say, Maybe I don't think it's strange, but like, 890 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,720 Speaker 1: for other people in stinging, Like what this sounds sweet, 891 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: but it makes me feel really nice that like there 892 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,880 Speaker 1: is this sense of respect for people after they go, 893 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,800 Speaker 1: and that there's people like you who are passionate about 894 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 1: that and willing to do that work. So exactly. Any 895 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,000 Speaker 1: final comments before we wrap up this lovely episode. Oh 896 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 1: my gosh, not really, but just thank you for having me. 897 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 1: It's really nice. Yeah. Yeah, I really hope that people 898 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, learn something or at least found it interesting. 899 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,400 Speaker 1: Yeah I did. Yeah, Well, thank you so much for listening. 900 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 1: As always, thank you to Laura, And if you feel 901 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,640 Speaker 1: compelled and you really enjoyed this episode, share it wherever 902 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 1: you feel and leave a five star review on either Spotify, 903 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you're getting your podcasts, and remember 904 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 1: to subscribe. Thank you so much