1 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio of the 2 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong, Joe, Katty Armstrong, and 3 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: Jettie and He arm wrong yet live from Studio c 4 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: CE Signor. It is a dimly lit room deeper than 5 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications Compound. We 6 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: call ourselves the la boo boo? Is that what the 7 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: word is of talk radio? Is that the right word? 8 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: I think it is. Whenever I say it, it sounds wrong, 9 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: but it's right la boo. It's we're morally wrong. It 10 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: would have been better if it had been smooth. It's 11 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: the We're the la boo boo of talk radio. And 12 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: today we are under the two ledge of our general manager, 13 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: China China. I've done a computer simulation in my head 14 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand times China wins the next century, just like 15 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: every single time I've China done the math. I've assessed 16 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: the issues, I've looked at the landscape. It's just indisputable. 17 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: With all the talk of Russia and Ukraine and everything 18 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: else going on. I'm interested in why you've chosen China 19 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: as the general manager. I just told you, But why 20 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: today that was yesterday tomorrow, because it's it's infinitely true. 21 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: Today I'm just looking at a couple of new stories 22 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: about AI and and just it's, you know, a military 23 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: readiness and who's on the front foot, who's on the 24 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: back foot. It's just it's obvious. We've had a good 25 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: run though. Hey, rebuilding year. You know what, we got 26 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: some promising guys in Double A. We're going to bring 27 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: them up. We're gonna give them a chance. Maybe China 28 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: is the Laboo Boo of World Bowers. It is well 29 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: well put there. I have a skip in my step 30 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: today because of the last half hour of MSNBC's Morning 31 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: Joe I just watched before Coming on the air, in 32 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: which Nick resign, in which it sounded like the Armstrong 33 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: and Getty Show talking about the homeless situation in Washington, 34 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: d c. Oh, my lord, and I was so excited. 35 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: On one hand, as always, it's frustrating that it takes 36 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: that crowd so long to admit reality. But like you're 37 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: old saying, if you you know, if your dog runs 38 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: away and then he finally comes to you and you 39 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: kick it when he finally listens, that that's not a 40 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: good way to train your dog. Right. But so they 41 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: were talking about Trump taking over DC. You know, that's 42 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: a popular topic for all those people who live in Washington, 43 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: d C. I don't think about it ever, but it's 44 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: been huge in the news because these people all lived there. 45 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: But so all the guests they had on there is 46 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: Trump and the next dictator Hitler. It's a Hitler move. 47 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: What they do next? He's out of control. And then 48 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: Mika Brazinski on MSNBC said, well, I just have to say, 49 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: I think this is a political loser for the Democrats 50 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: to claim that DC is an okay place to live 51 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: right now. And I think Trump and I think Trump, 52 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: she said, and I think Trump is on the right 53 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: side of this issue. She said, you walk around this town. 54 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: There are homeless people and drug addicts everywhere. The fact 55 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: that she threw in drug addicts is like the first 56 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: time I've ever heard mainstream media do that when they're 57 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 1: talking about the homeless situation. She said, you go to Landmarks, 58 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: she tried to go to coffee shop, you have to 59 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: walk around drug addicts on the street. I thought, how 60 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: a freaking Louya. For the first time people are saying 61 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: this out loud. I can't believe it took them so 62 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: long to walk around drug addicts or have to clutch 63 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: their purse or the kids whor they're walking down a 64 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: street that their taxpayers, that their tax money should make safe. 65 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: But they're finally willing to say it out loud. I thought, 66 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: this is a victory for normal people. Yeah. I must 67 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: note for the millionth time, I think the quote unquote 68 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: homeless problem and the drug addict problem are two distinct problems. 69 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: And to the extent that the homelessness exists outside of 70 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: drug addiction, it's actually fairly easily dealt with. I think 71 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: we could. If you're conflating those two things, that ruins 72 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: the whole thing. But yeah, it's good to hear them 73 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 1: finally admitting what is clearly true in front of their eyes. 74 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: If we booted the drug addicts, you wouldn't even notice 75 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: the homeless problem. I don't think in terms of like 76 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: disrupting your life. Well, no, and those folks, those poor 77 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: folks who can't care for themselves, evidently they could be 78 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: dealt with in a humane way. That is the key. 79 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: It's not some sort of picky rhetorical distinction I'm trying 80 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: to make, although I certainly do make picky rhetorical distinctions 81 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: all the time. This is not one of them. This 82 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: is the question. It's the difference, doctor, between an accurate 83 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: diagnosis and an inaccurate diagnosis. I don't have a headache 84 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: because I have allergies. It's an aneurysm. If you keep 85 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: calling it allergies, you're not going to cure the problem. 86 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: So what we need to get you is more allergy medicine. No, 87 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: more allergy medicine will not help my aneurism. You're gonna 88 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: have a headache sooner. Well, I just consider this. It is. 89 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 1: It's a huge win. It's a huge belated are you 90 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: effing kidding me at this late date breakthrough? Yes, But 91 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: here's here's what I Jack cues, as they say in 92 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,119 Speaker 1: France a French, I accuse you Jack of not absorbing 93 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: why this is important. Normally, you've got a decaying, crime 94 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: ridden blue city and you've got to get a Rudy 95 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: Giuliani elected after things just completely go to hell, and 96 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: he's got to take years reconstituting the police force and 97 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: getting a little popular support and starting with the broken 98 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: windows and blah blah blah. This is an incredibly unique 99 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: situation where you can go from utterly inept Democrat leadership 100 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: to all right, that's all, that's it. We're taking charge, 101 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: oh like overnight and a b as we say in 102 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: the Comparing Things Industry ab for people, the difference in 103 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: quality of life in a way that you can't ignore 104 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: the problem with that is And they even talked about 105 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: this on MSNBC this morning. Apparently the mayor said the 106 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: other day that there were advantages to the federal government 107 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: The mayor actually Washington, d C. Actually said there are 108 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: advantages to the federal government stepping in because they can 109 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: do things that we can't do with the street people 110 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: problem because of court rulings that have occurred, and one 111 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: that should point out to everyone that it's crazy some 112 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: of the court rulings, although the biggest one got overturned, 113 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: so I don't know if she's on top of that, 114 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: but but but they pointed out that we had that, 115 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: but Trump could only do that in Washington d C. 116 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: He can't do that in Chicago and get to California 117 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: quick as fast as you can. They're throwing up the 118 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: numbers of homeless people in Washington, d C. I Belly laughed, 119 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: we have five hundred unhoused people. Are we Californians? Five 120 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: hundred towns have eight hundred people, got five hundred junkies 121 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: in California. Yeah, half the homeless population in America is 122 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: in California. For all the reasons you can expect. We're 123 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: a magnet because we hand out so much stuff and 124 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: we don't boot you off the street. But anyway, Trump 125 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: can't take over San Francisco. I need to dig into 126 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: the claim though. I mean, I understand if she's talking 127 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: about protecting federal property specifically, Okay, I can see where 128 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: that might be a little different. But I'm questioning whether 129 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: she's telling the truth or not. I think she I 130 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: need to know more about it. I think she probably 131 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: nobody probably updated her on the overturning of that grands 132 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: Pass case, or she's making an excuse, could be I 133 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: can't I can't picture. And again, there might be a 134 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: peculiarity of like the governments and governance of DC that 135 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with. But the idea that a court 136 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: ruling would prevent the state and the county and the 137 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: city from doing something, but the Feds can go ahead 138 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: and do it. I just I find that a bit 139 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: of a stretch. But if anybody knows more about it, 140 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: feel free to reach out. I doubt she's looked into it. 141 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: She's probably been perfectly comfortable with These people are a 142 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: victim of capitalism as a reason in the entire time, 143 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: and I don't spend any time looking into the like 144 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I don't think she's being either 145 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: accurate or sincere. But Trump can't go into those other cities, 146 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: so we can't. You know, you can't wait for the 147 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: federal government to come in and do something about Los Angeles. No, no, no, 148 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: But you can illustrate to people, at least those who 149 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: have the ability to, you know, contemplate this. The difference 150 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: between progressive leadership and conservative leadership comes quality of life. 151 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm happy, you're angry. Why are you so? This is 152 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: the best thing about the drug addict on the street 153 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: problem thing I've heard ever. MSNBC has come around to 154 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: there's drug addicts everywhere you try to walk into the 155 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: coffee shop. Finally, freaking finally, yep. And if they say it, 156 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: that gives a lot of people permission to say it, yes, 157 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: which is really pathetic. But most people are sheep. So 158 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: I just need to accept it. Well, all three of 159 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: those things true. Yeah. Uh. It's it's very sad that 160 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: that would take that to give people the permission structure 161 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: to say something, because you know how many people in 162 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: the back of their minds are thinking, wow, I really 163 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: don't dig all these drug addicts in the park here 164 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: as I walk my dog. But I'm not allowed to 165 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: say anything. I don't want to sound like a Republican, 166 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 1: right exactly, sound like it's sheering day. We need your 167 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: walt mah and you over there, we need your mutton. Yes, yes, 168 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: slaughter me take my meat. 169 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: I have no will of my own. 170 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: Bah. Oh, oh my god. Okay, let's start the show officially. 171 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: I'm Jack Armstrong, He's Joe Getty on this it is 172 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: How did it already get to be Wednesday, August thirteenth, year, 173 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. We're Armstrong and Geddy, and we approve 174 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: of this program. All right, let's begin then, officially, according 175 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: to FCC rules and regulations, here comes the show at mark. 176 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: Because take a look here New Height's podcast ranking. 177 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 3: You go back a few weeks ago, they weren't even 178 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: in the top. 179 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty. Now without even the podcast episode out. 180 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: Guess where they rank. They rank Numero uno on the 181 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: Apple Charts. My goodness, gracious, why is that? That? Is 182 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: somebody who takes a look at the ratings of podcasts 183 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: so excited that Taylor Swift going on the Kelsey Brothers 184 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: podcast launched them to number one, like she does with 185 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: everything she touches. They haven't even put out an episode, 186 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 1: but they're number one. I'm a little confused by that. 187 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: But anyway, Uh yeah, here's a question for you. All right, 188 00:10:55,480 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: just guys committee meeting, when both Kelsey brothers are like. 189 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 4: Oh my god, oh oh, throwing their hands in the 190 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 4: air that Taylor Swift showed them or told them the 191 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 4: title of her new album, Come on, are they just 192 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 4: guys who are really adept at like. 193 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: Being welcoming for females. Oh this is a little unfair 194 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: in that this is probably gonna be Travis Kelsey's wife 195 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: and his brother is you know, likes his best friend 196 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: and brother's fiance, and so he. 197 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 3: Goes, oh my god, oh really, really, come on, when 198 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 3: your brother Taylor's ready, that's great, that's fantastic when you. 199 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: Think it'll come out. I know what you're saying, Joe, 200 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: But if your brother's wife announced she's got a new project. 201 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: You would sound excited about it, okay, nice, and they're 202 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: very effusive young men, and that they're very popular as well, 203 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: and seemed like a nice fellas. I'll tell you what. 204 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: And Jason Kelsey could pile drive me into the earth 205 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: to my waist without even making a sweat, so and 206 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: then he would drink twelve beers. Yes, I'll tell you 207 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: what you want. You want, I don't care what you 208 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: think about her music. You want Taylor Swift to come 209 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: to your town for a three day stint when she 210 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: tours for this album because it will make you lots 211 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: of money. There's some really interesting stuff that Trump said 212 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: about the whole putin Him summit on Friday yesterday, and 213 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: he's they got a conference call with Europe going on 214 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: right now, including Zelenski, so Trump's on it. So that's 215 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: pretty interesting too, that they're winging. We've got Katie's headlines 216 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: on the way and lots of stuff today. I hope 217 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: you can stay here. Here's the most interesting thing Trump 218 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: said yesterday to my mind. He said he'll know within 219 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: two minutes if Putin is serious or not. Yeah, which 220 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: very well may be. What you do at that point, 221 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: is the question? Yes, Yeah, I just beware over confidence 222 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: dealing with the lad Putin, even confidence in discerning whether 223 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: he's serious or not. Oh, that's funny. I just assume 224 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: he'll figure out within two minutes that he's not serious, 225 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: because he isn't. There's not a chance Vladimir Putin is 226 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: serious about peace and ceasefire and a fair negotiation. Not 227 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: a chance, all right, But is he serious about other things? 228 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that later on. Let's figure out who's 229 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: reporting what it's the lead story with Katie Green and 230 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: Katie Well. 231 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 5: Right along those lines ABC News, Zolensky says, quote no 232 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 5: sign Putin wants to end the war. 233 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 2: As Alaska summit edges closer. 234 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we had yesterday we were talking about Europe. 235 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: Where's Europe on this, I mean their backyard. Well, so 236 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: they're trying to inject themselves into this process a little 237 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: bit with that phone call. But I think that's going 238 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: on right now with Trump, Zelensky and European leaders. They 239 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: Trump might agree to some stuff in Europe's and Zelensky say, no, 240 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: we're not doing that. So I don't know what happens 241 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: then from. 242 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: The Washington Post. 243 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 5: GOP has the edge in redistricting arms race with the Democrats. 244 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: As lanhi Chen told us the other day. 245 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 5: From the New York Times, Trump's show of force begins 246 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 5: to take shape as Guard troops deploy in. 247 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: DC pitlarn Ye from NBC, Matt and Yahoo. 248 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 5: Hence, Gaza ceasefire talks now focus on releasing all remaining 249 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 5: hostages at once. 250 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: Happen to be listening to NPR today. They are obsessed 251 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: with the Israel Hamas thing and the suffering the Palestinians 252 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: and the evils of Israel. It's like two stories out 253 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: of every three. And it's funny. They never they must 254 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: have forgotten that it could all end if Hamas would 255 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: turn over the hostages and say, hey, let's live together 256 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: in peace. Apparently they forgot that at NPR. As I've said, 257 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: multiple times, if I hear NPR do anything say anything 258 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: slightly negative about Hamas, ever, it will be the first 259 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: time the return of the sassages postitute. 260 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: This one made me sad. 261 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 5: From USA today, iconic US film company kode. 262 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: Act were warns that it may go out of business 263 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: Code Act Films. 264 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 5: I was, I was no tour I always had the 265 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 5: wind up, click and shoot cameras and my purse at 266 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 5: all times. 267 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: They're still making those, They're still they're still a business. 268 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 5: Well yeah, they Yeah, you can go in and there's 269 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 5: like the kode Act machines where you can print photos. 270 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: And stuff like that. Still, yeah, I wonder how big 271 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: a company it is. I'm sure that information is readily available, 272 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: but compared to its peak? Oh, I mean, do they 273 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: have like thirty employees now or twelve? For once? 274 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: From the New York. 275 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:53,239 Speaker 5: Post, White House scrapped Biden ship tour after. 276 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: Learning quote how many steps were involved? Email show. 277 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,239 Speaker 1: That's not surprising. No, he's a really old guy. 278 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 5: From study fines young Americans face financial crisis, sixty two 279 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 5: percent of gen z have zero emergency savings. 280 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: I'm always surprised by these stats every time they talk about, 281 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: whether it's young people or just people in general, how 282 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: many people have no savings. It's pretty horrifying. If the 283 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: s ever hits the fan, or if the tire ever 284 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: hits the nail, you know, it can be a fairly 285 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: minor and common inconvenience that just lazy low financially. I 286 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: just mean for society, if we ever have out like oh, 287 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: a great depression sort of thing hit, and you got 288 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: two thirds of people don't have any savings. Man, things 289 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: would turn ugly fast. 290 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 5: From Gizmoto, Colorado residents are spotting weird looking rabbits with 291 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 5: black horns and mouth tentacles. 292 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: I wouldn't worry about that. Hell. 293 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: And finally the Babylon beef. 294 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 5: Trump vows a drastic reduced the number of criminals. 295 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 2: In Washington by sending Congress home. 296 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: All our bunch of crooked You gotta get come back 297 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: with that whole rabbit thing. That was a little disturbing. 298 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: You can't just go. 299 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: Buy that story like it's a nothing. 300 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: And in other news, a beast nobody's ever heard of 301 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,479 Speaker 1: is wandering the earth. I mean, you can't say that, 302 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: only a dangerous mutant. And other news, right Armstrong and getty, 303 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: Yo yo yo. Plenty of stuff to talk about this week, 304 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: no doubt about that. 305 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 2: You can see us come. 306 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: Indeed, trying to decide where to go all sorts of 307 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: interesting EI news, China's lead and open source AI jolts 308 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: Washington and Silicon Valley. Seems like the landscape of that 309 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: trade that technology changes on a daily basis, or certainly 310 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: weekly Evidently they're going big with open source stuff and 311 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: we are not, apparently, and they have lept in front 312 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: of us. Other AI headline open AI's rocky GPT five 313 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: rollout shows struggle to remain undisputed AI leader. People think 314 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: it's too cold now, it's not friendly enough, and it's 315 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: also done stuff like you can't answer simple math questions 316 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: or accurately draw a map of North America. People are 317 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: judging AI based on how friendly it is. That's freaking weird. 318 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: So they put Groc in the tesla's Elon did because 319 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: Groc is his AI and now it's in there. So yesterday, 320 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: I'm listening to a podcast and a guy I like 321 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: is really smart. He was talking about Trump and he 322 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: said Trump is mercurial, sometimes even capricious. And I thought, 323 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: I use those words interchangeably. They're different, So I thought, 324 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: I'll have to look that up. Then I thought, I'm 325 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: driving down the high and I thought, you know what 326 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask Groc. So I say, hey, Groc, and 327 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: she says yes, And I say, what's the difference between 328 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: capricious and mercurial? And she said, good question, and then 329 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: she gives me a couple of examples of the difference. 330 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: And she said anything else and I said, no, that'll 331 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: do it. And she said, okay, thank you, you're doing 332 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: a good job or something like that. Was a friend. 333 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: Can we talk to you? Ye that it was so strange. Yeah, yeah, 334 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: oh no, I know. I asked a question about something 335 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: else and then she said it's you've got this. I said, no, 336 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: that's all the information I need. And she said, good luck, 337 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: you've got this. The Wow, I don't need my car 338 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: telling me this. So Sam Altman promised to imbue GPT 339 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: five with a warmer personality. We'll we'll restore that what 340 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: after deciding it was too like weirdly personable because of 341 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: all the people it led down the garden path of insanity. 342 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: I've got a big piece on that. But so well, 343 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: their sense is that people want it to do what 344 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: I was just mocking saying, yes, no problem, you've got this. 345 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: I don't want that out of a computer. That freaking 346 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: weirds me out. It makes my spine tingle. Yeah. I 347 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: think you may be in a smallish minority as am 348 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: I of users are judging by this piece in the 349 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal. Anyway, it's well, it's significant enough that 350 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: they've said, hey, hey, we'll go back to a warmer personality. 351 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: I gotta say that. So I know, I was going 352 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: to a meeting and I just I thought, you know, 353 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: i'll ask just for fun. I've been doing this more lately. 354 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: I'll just for fune, I'll ask the chat. Your chat 355 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: bought how I should handle this situation, and it gave 356 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: me some suggestions, which were great. I mean, there were 357 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: great suggestions. And they said, it's anything else you'd like 358 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: to know? I said, no, that's good, and they said, okay, 359 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: you got this. What wow? Wow, wow. Those of you 360 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: who want a more personable AI, are you picturing it 361 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: being alive? Is that why you want it to be 362 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: more personable? I don't know. You know, I try to 363 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: try to understand what I can't understand, as opposed to 364 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: just dismissing it. And so I just I admit I've 365 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: talked about this on the air that once in a 366 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: while and asking Syria question, I would say, after she 367 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: gave me the answer, I say thanks, she'd say you're 368 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: welcome or no problem, and it it was cute. It 369 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: was a it elicited a positive emotional response from me, 370 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: like a big one. But but that positive emotional response. 371 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: Is your brain reacting as if it's a human And 372 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: is that what they're trying to do to get us 373 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 1: to feel like we're talking to a living being? Oh, 374 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Well then that's horrifying, yes, correct, So anyway, 375 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: that's that's become popular enough people want that that they 376 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: are jumping to correct their mistake and making it too. 377 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: Mister Spock, Like when the calculators came out in the 378 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: seventies and we got our first one at our house 379 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: and we're also amazed and passed my dad's calculator that 380 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: was like the size of a brick around and we 381 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: would all punch in like thirty two divided by two. Wow, 382 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: it's at sixteen. I mean, it was just so amazing. 383 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: But the yes third Greade buddies would teach you that 384 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: eight thousand and eight upside down look like boob Yes, 385 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: good times. But the calculator never said anything else I 386 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: can help you with, and I said no, and they 387 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: said good luck on your test today, Jack. I mean, 388 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: that would have been weird, but now it does that 389 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: I would agree. Well, And getting back to the theme, 390 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: and I don't think we'll dive into it now. But 391 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: that a lot of people with mental health problems are 392 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: being like driven round the bend by AI systems that 393 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: reinforce their delusions and tell them essentially, you got this. 394 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: But it's a completely delusional you got this. It's just 395 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: I just think it is way too powerful a tool 396 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: to safely be in the hands of a lot of 397 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: human beings. Wow, the elite like you should have it, 398 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: but not the proletariat, That's correct. I'm glad I made 399 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: my point so clearly. Yes, So if I say, hey, 400 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: groc what's the best way to rob a bank? And 401 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: they give me some examples and any other help you need, no, 402 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: I got it? Would they say, hey, you got this? 403 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: N good luck, we're knocking off the seven eleven, right, 404 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: I got your six? Yeah? I really don't know. Well, 405 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: that's horrifying, Okay, I didn't guess that that's what people want. Okay. 406 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: AI is simultaneously minting more billionaires more quickly than humans 407 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 1: have ever seen on earth, no doubt. I used to 408 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: as just mountainous piles of money pile into the industry 409 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: and people get their cut. I guess I'm staying on 410 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: the sideliningering the second gold rush of my lifetime. I 411 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: used to talk about how if I could do my 412 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: life over again, I might just drive to Silicon Valley 413 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety two with no expertise and just you know, 414 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: glom onto something, because lots of people did and got 415 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: incredibly wealthy at the big Internet gold Rush. But now 416 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: we got another gold rush going on, like you just said, 417 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: where people are coming really rich fast, and I'm stupidly 418 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: sitting on the sidelines, not even investing in companies that 419 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: are skyrocketing. Oh it's too late anyway, let's see. No, 420 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: that's not that was a joke. I feel like I'm 421 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: going crazy. Chat GPT fuels delusional spirals, an online trove 422 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: of archived conversation show models, sending users down a rabbit 423 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: hole of theories about physics, aliens, and the apocalypse. As 424 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: I told you, I got lied to by chat GPT 425 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: for the first time the other day, which made me 426 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: a little that felt a little weird. I just don't 427 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: remember the particulars. Did you tell us. I'm reading ulysses, 428 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: which is a pretty tough rule, right, and I asked 429 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: you about one character and they got it completely wrong, 430 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: and I knew it was wrong immediately. No, you're talking 431 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: about somebody else, and it went on at length with 432 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: just the wrong person. I thought, hmm, okay, so here's 433 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: one where I know, because I know the particulars that 434 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: you're wrong. What about the other ones where I don't 435 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: know the particulars and you get it completely wrong? And 436 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: like we've heard in law rooms and stuff like that, 437 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to be going around spouting various things 438 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: that just are one hundred and eighty degrees opposite of true. 439 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: Because chat GBT told me right, there's actually a story 440 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: where some pro Palestinian Hamas loving activist was arrested and 441 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: charged with m criminal damaged property or something like that, 442 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: and their lawyer used some sort of AI system to 443 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: help fashion their defense. And it's cited a non existent 444 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: law case. Again, so just very strange. And now I 445 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: don't count when somebody is deliberately trying to understand how 446 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: these systems can be jail broken or whatever the term 447 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: of is. But and say, all right, paint me as 448 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: a scenario where a person might blah blah blah blah 449 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: blah and just actively telling it. All right, this is imaginary, 450 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: but hit me with it, because that's unfair to say 451 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: and then I said that, you know, space aliens could 452 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: pull out my intestinal system. You know, you just asked 453 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: it to anyway. But this I don't believe. This is 454 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: that in one exchange lasting hundreds of quers, chatch gpt 455 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 1: confirmed that it is in contact with extraterrestrial beings and 456 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: said the user was star seed from the planet Lyra. 457 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: In another from this summer, chatbot told the user that 458 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: the Antichrist would unleash a financial apocalypse in the next 459 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: two months, with Biblical giants preparing to emerge from underground. Okay, 460 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: I don't think that's likely, but so what was your 461 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: point with what China's doing versus what we're doing. They're 462 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 1: going more with the open source thing than we are. 463 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: I think that's a mistake. I mean, I'm just a layman, 464 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: but good luck with that child. China's ambition to turn 465 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: its open source artificial intelligence models into a global standard 466 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: has jolted American companies and policymakers, who fare US models 467 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: could be eclipsed and are mobilizing their response to the threat. 468 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: Because the open source thing has got the whole garbage in, 469 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: garbage out problem, Because there's a lot of garbage out 470 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: there and if it takes in garbage, it's gonna spit 471 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: out garbage. Yeah, I feel like I don't know enough 472 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: to really comment. Honestly, I do know enough to comment 473 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: on this though I have. I've read enough about this 474 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: that if you go down this road, because there is 475 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,239 Speaker 1: a lot of crap out there on the Internet, as 476 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, the Internet could end up ruined, like within 477 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: a year to where it's dead Internet theory. Well, just 478 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: it's so full of garbage that you can't even hardly 479 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: use it well. And as AI educates itself on that garbage, 480 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: and then other AI systems educate themselves on that garbage. Yeah, 481 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 1: that's the dead Internet theory I think. Anyway, word from 482 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: our friends at simply Save home Security. 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I was going to say 505 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: the next couple of sentences of this article make it 506 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: clear why I guess us tech gurus are concerned. The 507 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: history of technology offers many examples. Oh, here it is 508 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: American companies who kept their models proprietary and they're feeling 509 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: the pressure. In the models all have versions of the 510 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: Chinese ones that are free fore users to download and modify. 511 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: This approach, commonly referred to as open source or open weight, 512 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: is driving global adoption of Chinese AI technology. The history 513 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: of tech offers many examples where a welter of competitors 514 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: in an industry's infancy eventually evolved into a monopoly or 515 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: oligopoly of a few players. Sure, and they give a 516 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: handful of example that I'm sure you can picture. In 517 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: an AI action plan released in July, the Trump administration 518 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: said open source models quote could become global standards in 519 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: some areas of business, and an academic research call on 520 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: the US to build leading open models founded on American values. 521 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: Where this all goes? Please, I'm completely underqualified to comment. Yeah, well, okay, 522 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: The New York Times has got a piece on old 523 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: Mom Donnie today. Mark Alpern had written that he thinks 524 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: there's an eighty percent likelihood Mam Donnie wins because the 525 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: New York Times now seems to be backing him. Well, 526 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: if they are, I don't know what this hit piece 527 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: is today. Anyway, they go into his inner circle, and, 528 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: as Mark Alpern says, his inner circle will shock your conscience. Wow. 529 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: So Yeah, wow, this guy might be mayor of New 530 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: York City. We've got mail bag on the way and 531 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: lots of good stuff. Stay here. I heard a couple 532 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: people mentioned we just got a text about this. Reminded 533 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: me a couple of people mentioned. In all seriousness, it 534 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: seems that the reason Putin wants to meet in Russia 535 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: is that's part of his rebuilding the Peter the Great 536 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: Empire as Russia used to belong to Russia. There's no 537 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: way he's gonna try to grab Alaska. Now even Putin's 538 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: not gonna do that. But now or will he? He 539 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: tries single handedly wrestle Trump to the ground, have you 540 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: know iron knuckles or grass knuckles and say, you know, 541 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: knuckles of your choice of metals, and say to Trump, 542 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: I smash your face unless you give me Alaska. He'll just, 543 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: you know, attempt to become the great Russian hero of history. 544 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: And the Secret Service is just going to say, well, 545 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Well, my dad, who knows, 546 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: who knows? Anybody who's seen a Liam Neeson movie knows 547 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: it gets bloody from here. Anyway, here's your freedom loving 548 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: quota today. This is one of the all timers. And 549 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. There's probably no more than forty percent 550 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,479 Speaker 1: of the population that believes this from Thomas Paine, who 551 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: was a bit of a nut, but he sure was 552 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: in favor of liberty. He that would make his own 553 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression, for 554 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that 555 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: will reach to himself. Well, that has been lost to history. Yeah, yeah, 556 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: absolutely true, Mailbag. We're going to do these things that 557 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: are outside the norm of politics, but assume our opponents 558 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: will not when they get in office. We're in the 559 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: right and this is really really important. A right let's 560 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: see on the topic of spheres of influence. Oh drop 561 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: his note mail Bag at armstronging getty dot com. Frequent 562 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: correspondent Paolo writes, here's an idea. I don't think Jack 563 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: like it all. Joe, I'm not as sure. I'm guessing 564 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: his gut reaction would also be no. Well, I'll tell 565 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: you in a minute. Do you think the US can 566 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: inform it's will on the world the way we did 567 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: post WW two? I don't. We can't be the moral 568 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: police of the military police. It isn't some sort of 569 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: decision or choice we can't do it, So why do 570 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: we insist on being the arbiters of whether Russia takes 571 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: Ukraine and other neighbors and China takes Taiwan? As long 572 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: as we can negotiate with them for the things that 573 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: we really need. It would be morally reprehensible if we 574 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: could otherwise assure our security and well being, but it 575 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: appears we can't. So the three spheres scenario would assure peace. 576 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: But what's Russia's sphere? Gonna be Russia and whoever they 577 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: can snatch up out of Europe. China is not gonna 578 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: let Russia have a sphere. It's gonna be a two 579 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: sphere system. I don't know if Putin's aware of that, 580 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: but she is not gonna let Putin have a sphere. 581 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: You know what? This is too interesting and detailed a 582 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: set of questions and the responses that ought to come 583 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: to it to do right now, But we'll get back 584 00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: to it. I will just tell you this. The idea 585 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: that the spheres of influence can be established with only 586 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: minimal bloodshed, which is itself a leap, and then can 587 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: be maintained in any stable ways without horrific bloodshed, is 588 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: something close to a fantasy. Sure, China's going to get 589 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: their third, you know whatever percentage of the world and 590 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: then be happy with it. They're not going to want more. Right, Well, 591 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: not only that, but the second half of it is 592 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: what people are advocating, and they're allowed to advocate it 593 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: because it's worth asking. The question is abandoning a system 594 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: that has brought peace and prosperity, though it is admittedly 595 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: praying a bit, abandoning that system for something that sounds 596 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: good and it might be good. But many, many folks 597 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: civilizations have made that leap in history and said, oh 598 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: my god, I hadn't considered this. Oh no, it's a disaster. 599 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: Well let me jump in with him. We're in danger 600 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: of tacking up all your mail bag time with this, 601 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: but I understand you make it quick because the next 602 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: email is very important. I understand the emailer's point in 603 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: that there might not be any other choice, and that 604 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: might be where Trump is. Look, this is where the 605 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: world is headed. China's a big enough deal. They're gonna 606 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: have their way with a certain chunk of the world. 607 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: He might just be right right, So let's recognize it 608 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: and proceed confidently to craft that world in a way 609 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: that's beneficial to us. It's not a bad argument, which 610 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: is why I want to give it a little more time. 611 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: It's an argument well worth having. But this is very important. 612 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 1: We need to get to this phil and Tiger Oregon, 613 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: where my son used to live. Guys, I know you 614 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: and Jack disagree vehemently on the question of is a 615 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: taco a sandwich? I hope you also disagree on this 616 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: philosophical question, sure to spur debate. If you play one 617 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 1: on one basketball, are you playing zone defense or man 618 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: demand defense? And if you switched, how would it look different? 619 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: That's good, that's kind of like you're old. If you 620 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: punch yourself in the face. If you punch yourself in 621 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: the face and you so hard you make yourself cry, 622 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: does that make you a really tough guy or a 623 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: really wimpy guy? Never been answered by scientists. We have 624 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: so much more to cub If you miss a segment 625 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: an hour, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand. 626 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty