Speaker 1: Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2: Thursday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.
Speaker 1: Very pleased to have you with us here.
Speaker 2: Clay is doing golf today, a couple of golf days
Speaker 2: this week.
Speaker 1: He says that when you see some.
Speaker 2: Of the videotaped swings that he has put forth on
Speaker 2: the course, it will make Happy Gilmore look like he
Speaker 2: didn't know how to swing at all.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: He's talking a big game about it. So we shall
Speaker 2: see and we will get into more of that with
Speaker 2: him tomorrow. I'll be back tomorrow. I'll actually be out
Speaker 2: in Arizona tomorrow, which I'm looking forward to, I believe
Speaker 2: it or not. I have two great states that in
Speaker 2: just recent recent time here I haven't well, I have
Speaker 2: never visited before, and we'll have recently been to one
Speaker 2: being Colorado, first ever time in Colorado recently, lovely place.
Speaker 1: And Arizona. I've actually never been to Arizona and the
Speaker 1: Bagdad a few times, as I like to say.
Speaker 2: Never been to Arizona, so I need to get there.
Speaker 2: I'll be there tomorrow, looking forward to it, all right.
Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of stuff, a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff to dive into. We have a Congress and Jim
Speaker 2: Jordan with us talking to him. Second hour, we'll discuss oh,
Speaker 2: so many things, the economy, the Trump Agenda, America, the restoration,
Speaker 2: all those good things. And then Senator Marshall Blackburn third hour,
Speaker 2: we'll speak with her about the immigration and the deportation
Speaker 2: flights and also the economics. I know a lot of
Speaker 2: people are focused in on that. And remember it was
Speaker 2: just yesterday Trump tweeted out or I guess it's truthed
Speaker 2: out that it is Liberation Day and that refers to
Speaker 2: the tariffs. Now there's a whole bunch of tariffs. White
Speaker 2: House has put out a lot of information about this.
Speaker 2: There's a whole bunch of tariffs that are taking effect.
Speaker 2: Here's what we know, President Trump. This is from the
Speaker 2: White House. President Trump invoking his authority under the International
Speaker 2: Emergency Economic Powers Act of nineteen seventy seven to address
Speaker 2: the emergency posed by the large and persistent trade deficit
Speaker 2: that is driven by the absence of reciprocity in our
Speaker 2: trade relationships and other harmful policies like currency manipulation and
Speaker 2: exorbitant value added taxes that tax perpetuated by other countries.
Speaker 2: Under this i EPA, authority. President trumpel imposed a ten
Speaker 2: percent tariff on all countries, going into effect April fifth,
Speaker 2: and then President trumpelam pose an additional reciprocal tariff on
Speaker 2: countries with which the United States has the largest trade deficits.
Speaker 2: All other countries will continue to be subject to the
Speaker 2: original ten percent that will take effect April nine. And
Speaker 2: now there's more specificity about this, and it goes into
Speaker 2: US Mexico Canada agreement. How that plays into this. So
Speaker 2: there are some some goods are not part of the
Speaker 2: reciprocal tariff, steel, aluminum, model parts. So there's a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff going on, and it's big. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to sit here and act like this is a small potatoes.
Speaker 2: It's a big deal economically, and I think that first off,
Speaker 2: the best way to do this is to allow President
Speaker 2: Trump to make the case to you based on what
Speaker 2: he said yesterday about why this is necessary. I think
Speaker 2: it's unrealistic that there are people out there. Well, first
Speaker 2: of all, there are people who all they want to
Speaker 2: do is complain about Trump. Not just Democrats. There's some
Speaker 2: Republicans too who seem like they only want to complain
Speaker 2: about find something even no matter how minute, remember Signal
Speaker 2: Gate a week ago.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, there was a journalist. The strikes all happened,
Speaker 3: but a journalist found out, but he didn't say anything.
Speaker 3: You know, come on, here's what's going on right now.
Speaker 3: Trump is trying to reorient a substantial component of our
Speaker 3: economy to create long term benefit for the American people.
Speaker 3: Now here is President Trump yesterday. I wanted you to hear.
Speaker 3: This is this is clips a little over a minute long.
Speaker 3: I wanted to hear, though, why are we doing this?
Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Let's hear from the man himself.
Speaker 2: He is absolutely committed to this. He believes in it
Speaker 2: to his core. He has believed in it for a
Speaker 2: very long time. Why are we doing this? Liberation Day
Speaker 2: remarks yesterday from Trump, play cut one.
Speaker 4: In the coming days, there will be complaints from the
Speaker 4: globalists and the outsources and special interests and the fake
Speaker 4: news always the fake news will always complain.
Speaker 1: But never forget.
Speaker 4: Every prediction our opponent's made about trade for the last
Speaker 4: thirty years has been proven totally wrong. They were wrong
Speaker 4: about NAFTA, they were wrong about China.
Speaker 1: They were wrong.
Speaker 4: About the Transpecific Partnership, which would have been a disaster.
Speaker 4: If I didn't terminate it, if I didn't turn that
Speaker 4: terminate that auto workers, you would have had no jobs
Speaker 4: in this country. You would have had no jobs. I
Speaker 4: was all going to other countries in.
Speaker 1: My first term.
Speaker 4: They said tariffs would crash the economy. Instead we built
Speaker 4: the greatest economy in the history of the world. And again,
Speaker 4: I have great respect for presidency of China, great respect
Speaker 4: for China, but they were taking tremendous advantage of them
Speaker 4: of us, and I commend them for that. I say, hey,
Speaker 4: if you can get away with it, that's okay. But
Speaker 4: you know, they understand exactly what's happening, and they probably
Speaker 4: most of them are saying it's about time they did something.
Speaker 4: But and they're gonna fight. They're gonna fight for everyone's
Speaker 4: going to fight.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like I say to the leaders, look, you got
Speaker 4: to take care of your country, but we have to
Speaker 4: start taking care of our country now. We can't do
Speaker 4: what we've been doing for the last fifty years.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, let's take this apart a little bit and
Speaker 2: get into what he's saying. And notice I've been saying
Speaker 2: it to you for a long time, but just in advance,
Speaker 2: of those remarks. What he I had made the same
Speaker 2: case to you, which is that Trump has been right
Speaker 2: when it comes to big issues of trade commerce, big
Speaker 2: issues of commerce, where the consensus such as that exists.
Speaker 2: You know, you can always argue, what is the consensus
Speaker 2: and why do we think there is even such a thing,
Speaker 2: but such as it exists was wrong. It was wrong
Speaker 2: in China. Here here's you know. Trump came into office
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, and on China, China, he was taking
Speaker 2: positions that they said, oh, it's going to lead to
Speaker 2: a trade war to but we could even take it
Speaker 2: further back than that. It had been for decades before
Speaker 2: Trump even thought about or was really considering seriously running
Speaker 2: for president.
Speaker 1: I'm going back. You go back to the eighties, go
Speaker 1: back in the nineties.
Speaker 2: It had been the international elite consensus that if we
Speaker 2: just give China what it wants when it comes to trade,
Speaker 2: it will liberalize and democratize over time and everybody will win.
Speaker 2: And they let it in the wto World Trade Organization.
Speaker 2: That was completely wrong.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of different experts and think tanks
Speaker 2: everything who for a long time, we're taking the position
Speaker 2: that all you have to do is just open up
Speaker 2: your markets to China, and as China buys our coca cola,
Speaker 2: and as China starts importing all of our cheap stuff
Speaker 2: made in huge factories here, they're going to be all
Speaker 2: about human rights and democracy and freedom. Just give it time.
Speaker 2: Totally wrong. There's been no real evidence of that whatsoever.
Speaker 2: In fact, the opposite, you could argue, has occurred, and
Speaker 2: China has become more belligerent, more bellicost more difficult to
Speaker 2: deal with, and as it has become wealthier.
Speaker 1: So we made China rich.
Speaker 2: Under the auspices of this is going to help us,
Speaker 2: and it's going to help national security. And oh that
Speaker 2: means that we're aware that trade and national security are
Speaker 2: things that intersect, and that some things that are in
Speaker 2: your national security interests are not necessarily completely in your
Speaker 2: immediate trade interest like being able to make your own antibiotics,
Speaker 2: being able to produce enough of your own microchips, you know,
Speaker 2: go down the line, a whole range of things.
Speaker 1: But we'll get more into that.
Speaker 2: Trump though, sees this, and it takes somebody like him
Speaker 2: who is willing to put this kind of political capital
Speaker 2: on the line to take this kind of a risk
Speaker 2: and I will be clear with you about this.
Speaker 1: It's a risk.
Speaker 2: It's a risk economically financially for the country. But I
Speaker 2: think a couple things about it. One, it makes sense
Speaker 2: to me as he explains it, and as we see
Speaker 2: what's happening.
Speaker 1: They're already up in countries.
Speaker 2: Just yesterday Israel Prime Minister that yahoo said, look, we're
Speaker 2: getting rid of all you know what. He's right, Let's
Speaker 2: get rid of all trade barriers with the United States
Speaker 2: and let's just continue to build that special relationship.
Speaker 1: Great, look at that.
Speaker 2: There are other countries as well that have backed off
Speaker 2: a tariff that they have or they're you know, this
Speaker 2: is all part of a negotiation. So as we go
Speaker 2: into some of the details here and I'll play more
Speaker 2: from Trump, but more from Steven Miller. Yeah, massive change
Speaker 2: is going to feel unsettling for people for a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's not going to just happen overnight and be perfect.
Speaker 2: But if you want to fix things, you have to
Speaker 2: be willing to take the actions to fix them and
Speaker 2: be in a position to do so. And like I said,
Speaker 2: Trump is willing to do this. He could be on
Speaker 2: the golf course with Clay right now. Hang, I mean
Speaker 2: he actually might be, but I don't think he.
Speaker 1: Is like he is. Claying is for some. But I mean,
Speaker 1: he could be hanging on the golf course forever. He
Speaker 1: could just be.
Speaker 2: He's got billions of dollars, got grandkids and family, and
Speaker 2: you know, he can just sail off into the sunset
Speaker 2: and enjoy himself at mar A Lago. But instead he
Speaker 2: has taken it upon himself to try to do something
Speaker 2: incredibly important for the future of the country because he
Speaker 2: truly believes in it, and he has I have to
Speaker 2: look at the record here. He has been right on
Speaker 2: areas where the economic consensus has been against him.
Speaker 1: That is a fact. And so on this one.
Speaker 2: Again, there are a lot of people, and there are
Speaker 2: some people that I respect a lot and like a
Speaker 2: lot on the right who are very concerned about this,
Speaker 2: And to them, I just say, I think Trump has
Speaker 2: made a strong enough case and is in a strong
Speaker 2: enough position politically where let the man cook, let him
Speaker 2: do what he does. Let's see how he negotiates. Even
Speaker 2: Bill Ackman, right, who's a kind of a recent convert
Speaker 2: to the center. I would say he used to be
Speaker 2: a Democrat, Hillary Support, etc. Bill Ackman is a multi
Speaker 2: billionaire hedge, fun guy, investor guy, and he's along with
Speaker 2: Elon and some of these other very wealthy, very high
Speaker 2: IQ individuals, have realized Democrat parties insane. They're a bunch
Speaker 2: of lunatic, gender identity obsessed communists. So he says, if
Speaker 2: you're going to be common sense, or he's seen, if
Speaker 2: you're going to be common sense, you have to be
Speaker 2: a Republican. There's no other major political party for you
Speaker 2: to support right now. Maybe he calls himself an independent.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I thought this was very very
Speaker 2: astute observation from Bill Lackman. He put out on X
Speaker 2: sometimes the best strategy in a negotiation is convincing the
Speaker 2: other side that you are crazy.
Speaker 1: Now, I know some of you.
Speaker 2: Might be like, hey, Trump's not crazy, Well, yeah, he's
Speaker 2: not crazy. Obviously, he's crazy like a fox in this context,
Speaker 2: meaning he's a guy who.
Speaker 1: Needs the other side.
Speaker 2: To believe that he's willing to do things that were
Speaker 2: impossible for American leadership to consider before that there could
Speaker 2: be consequences, and that's that's so, that's that's a part
Speaker 2: of this. I've said to you before, I've explained you know,
Speaker 2: we were just talking about uh, who is the actor
Speaker 2: I'm blanking on his name who just just passed away,
Speaker 2: who was in heat? Val Kilmer, Thank you, Val Kilmer.
Speaker 2: Valcom's best role, in my opinion. You can argue, I
Speaker 2: know some of you're going to say the Doors, but
Speaker 2: I think Val Kilmer's best role for me is Tombstone,
Speaker 2: where he plays Doc Holliday. And there's a great scene
Speaker 2: I've mentioned this year before in the context of foreign
Speaker 2: policy with Trump, I think it applies here too. We're
Speaker 2: wide are very competently, very well played by Kurt Russell.
Speaker 2: They they kind of they throw the double barrel shotgun
Speaker 2: when they're about to have the shootout in the OK Corral.
Speaker 2: They didn't know it was going to be shoot out,
Speaker 2: but they were preparing. He throws the shotgun and he goes,
Speaker 2: let's put Doc on the street Howitzer. They might have
Speaker 2: less itchy trigger fingers as a result, something like that, right,
Speaker 2: but let's put Doc Holladay on the street Howitzer. Being
Speaker 2: you want the crazy guy with the Bazuka is basically
Speaker 2: the idea in this analogy. Trump is the crazy guy
Speaker 2: with the bazuka on trade. You want you want to
Speaker 2: play this game with them, or you want to be reasonable.
Speaker 1: You want to be fair.
Speaker 2: You want to deal with the reciprocal tariffs. You know,
Speaker 2: for a guy who has survived two assassination attempts, two impeachments,
Speaker 2: you know, for Bologney criminal trials, beat the Hillary machine,
Speaker 2: beat the Biden, you know, Kamala machine. I think he's
Speaker 2: earned the right to try this his way and at
Speaker 2: least have those of us who have believed in them
Speaker 2: all along look at this and say, let's see what
Speaker 2: he can do. And just remember this catastrophism and selling panic.
Speaker 2: It's just such a cheap way of getting attention for
Speaker 2: so many people. Oh you know, the sky is falling
Speaker 2: stuff way of getting attention, cheap way of having people
Speaker 2: think that you have something worthwhile to say, stock market's
Speaker 2: gon down.
Speaker 1: Look at the stock market.
Speaker 2: It hasn't gone down in any meaningful way really since
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight other than the pandemic drop. And
Speaker 2: the pandemic drop was completely a self inflicted wound. And
Speaker 2: anybody like me he was paying attention, was like, well,
Speaker 2: this is gonna be great because people a gonna realize
Speaker 2: this is like a cold. Then we should just go
Speaker 2: back about our lives. And there's no you know, the
Speaker 2: economy isn't destroyed by the pandemic. That was just lunatics
Speaker 2: who made it anyway. So yeah, there may be something
Speaker 2: of a drop in the.
Speaker 1: Stock market for a bit. I believe it will be temporary.
Speaker 2: Look, if it's not temporary, then the American people can
Speaker 2: go and vote and they can hold Trump and the
Speaker 2: Republicans accountable for this decision the next time around. I
Speaker 2: think they're gonna say when it comes time for that, Wow,
Speaker 2: what leadership. Look at how things are going better for
Speaker 2: us now. And that's what leadership is. When you have
Speaker 2: what you believe, truly based on all your wisdom and
Speaker 2: and all of your life experience and all of your expertise,
Speaker 2: this is the right thing to do. It's in the
Speaker 2: best interest of the people I lead, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to do it because of that. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: sit around in you know, oh, which way is the
Speaker 2: wind blowing? So this is what Liberation Day is about.
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Speaker 4: My fellow Americans, this is liberation days waiting for.
Speaker 1: A long time.
Speaker 4: April second, twenty twenty five will forever be remembered as
Speaker 4: the day American industry was reborn, the day America's destiny
Speaker 4: was reclaimed, and the day that we began to make
Speaker 4: America wealthy again.
Speaker 1: I'm going to make it wealthy, good, and wealthy.
Speaker 4: Our country and its taxpayers have been ripped off for
Speaker 4: more than fifty years. But it is not going to
Speaker 4: happen anymore.
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. President Trump.
Speaker 2: There speaking all Liberation Day, which was yesterday, which who
Speaker 2: knows could be a day that we all remember for
Speaker 2: a long time to come, probably more so in retrospect.
Speaker 1: Right. Otherwise, yesterday seemed like a pretty normal day.
Speaker 2: But President Trump is very committed to this idea of
Speaker 2: rebalancing the unbalanced playing field of global trade. And again
Speaker 2: the fundamental questions that I continue to posset, and I
Speaker 2: never get a good answer for this. If it's so
Speaker 2: bad to have to triffs, why do other countries have tariffs?
Speaker 2: Keep in mind, it's not even just tariffs. Look, this
Speaker 2: is very complicated stuff. You're talking about a global economy
Speaker 2: of thirty trillion dollars, so there's a lot going on. Okay,
Speaker 2: the numbers are massive, thankfully. Right, the world is so
Speaker 2: much The world overall is so much wealthier in real
Speaker 2: terms today than it was one hundred years ago or
Speaker 2: one hundred years before that. You know, the system that
Speaker 2: we have, for all of its imperfections, capitalism and markets
Speaker 2: has created incredible human prosperity and flourishing, which is a
Speaker 2: great thing, and we shouldn't lose sight of that. Right
Speaker 2: you are, This is what I was. I was saying.
Speaker 2: A catastrophism is a simpleton's way of getting attention.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, everything's gonna fall apart.
Speaker 2: I think I've shared with you before this anecdote that
Speaker 2: one of my favorite authors, Michael Crichton. I know he's
Speaker 2: like a sci fi pop writer guy, but I think
Speaker 2: he's brilliant. He passed way years ago, but he said
Speaker 2: that he had had the experience he had learned over
Speaker 2: many years running in circles among the elites. Because remember
Speaker 2: the nineties, if you were best selling, if you were
Speaker 2: Michael Crichton or a Tom Clancy or I'm trying to
Speaker 2: who's the guy who does all the grisham you know?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know Stephen King. I know Stephen King
Speaker 2: is like a lunatic communist, but he sold a lot
Speaker 2: of books. If you were one of these guys, you
Speaker 2: were an elite society and invited, you know, a lot
Speaker 2: of parties and stuff.
Speaker 1: To people could be like, oh, I saw so and
Speaker 1: so the famous author. And he said that.
Speaker 2: If you try to tell people that the world is
Speaker 2: actually good and getting better, they they want to fight
Speaker 2: you because they think that that's a more sophisticated position
Speaker 2: to take. It's more sophisticated always in the eyes of
Speaker 2: people who generally aren't as smart as they think they
Speaker 2: are to say everything is crap, everything's going to hell,
Speaker 2: and they know that that gets attention too. And it's
Speaker 2: a very simple position to take. It's a very it's
Speaker 2: the easy way out. Now there are problems, right, you
Speaker 2: don't want to be on the other side either, where
Speaker 2: everything is amazing. But he just he warned against using
Speaker 2: catastrophism as a fallback and a means of getting attention
Speaker 2: for yourself.
Speaker 1: And I think that there's a lot of uh.
Speaker 2: And he actually said that people get mad at would
Speaker 2: get mad at him when he would explain to them
Speaker 2: that scientifically, the advances that are going on in the world,
Speaker 2: and this came up in the context of climate change.
Speaker 2: He can tell people, no, no, you don't have to worry
Speaker 2: climate change.
Speaker 1: Is it real?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not in any significant way. It doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: so don't worry. And they would get very angry about that, right,
Speaker 2: we were telling them that their climate change, false God
Speaker 2: was not real. With this, what I see is a
Speaker 2: lot of people who know that if they tell you
Speaker 2: that the world is falling apart right now because of Trump,
Speaker 2: and they tell you and they.
Speaker 3: Oh, the markets, look at what the markets are.
Speaker 2: Doing and all this stuff, then even if they're wrong,
Speaker 2: in six months or a year, things will be so
Speaker 2: much better that nobody will really take the time to
Speaker 2: go back and say, hey, why were you so wrong
Speaker 2: about this? But also negative and really undermining the necessary
Speaker 2: resetting of some of these global relationships, because that's really
Speaker 2: what we're talking about here, you know, international trade relationships.
Speaker 2: And then there's the Steven Miller approach, which is.
Speaker 7: Stephen Miller is he takes the intellectual approach, but he
Speaker 7: also applies a little bit of the Conan the barbarian
Speaker 7: ethic to it, where he is just like, I'm going
Speaker 7: to drive my enemy from their villages and hear the
Speaker 7: lamentations of their women.
Speaker 2: Like Stephen Miller does not hold back. My man has
Speaker 2: showed up ready to throw down from day one of
Speaker 2: the first Trump term. And now, as you know, he's
Speaker 2: a White House deputy White House deputy chief of staff.
Speaker 2: Here he is on Liberation Day. This has cut six
Speaker 2: just laying it out there, and I think he was
Speaker 2: hitting home runs.
Speaker 1: Listen to it.
Speaker 8: The announcement today is the most significant action on global
Speaker 8: trade policy that has taken place in our lifetime. So
Speaker 8: it's not even a close call. This is probably the
Speaker 8: biggest event that's happened on global trade since the very
Speaker 8: ill fated decision that we are now reversing of knocking
Speaker 8: down all of America's trade tariffs and revenue policies that
Speaker 8: led to the offshoring and outsourcing of all for industries.
Speaker 8: So this is the great reversal of that. Great portrayal
Speaker 8: is how we look at it. So in the twentieth century,
Speaker 8: successive American presidents knocked down all of the policies that
Speaker 8: we had to protect the American industry, and they did
Speaker 8: insane things like letting China into the World Trade Organization
Speaker 8: as an example, and we watched all of our factories
Speaker 8: go overseas. This is the complete reversal of that. This
Speaker 8: is the great onshoring, the great reshoring of American jobs
Speaker 8: and wealth. So if you look at America today, we're
Speaker 8: totally dependent on foreign countries for the supplies to make
Speaker 8: this country run. For all of the essential goods, materials,
Speaker 8: manufactured products that make it possible for us to.
Speaker 1: Live our lives. Our cars are electronics.
Speaker 8: All the materials that go into our homes, our buildings,
Speaker 8: our medical supplies, our entire supply chains are completely embedded
Speaker 8: than foreign countries. There's a national emergency of any kind
Speaker 8: in a country shuts off an import or a foreign
Speaker 8: power embargoes a sea lane. We are then left defenseless,
Speaker 8: helpless because of the decisions that prior leaders made that
Speaker 8: President Trump is now reversing to let all of these
Speaker 8: industries leave our country.
Speaker 2: He's laying it out so well. And I'll get more
Speaker 2: into the national security piece of this in a second,
Speaker 2: because that's even more long term in the thinking, well,
Speaker 2: we would hope, right what happens in what does the
Speaker 2: world look like, given current trajectories for warfare, warfare of
Speaker 2: the future is going to be We've just gone through
Speaker 2: a period of twenty something years here where America in
Speaker 2: our wars has had complete technological dominance, complete aerial dominance,
Speaker 2: and they were really large scale policing and counterinsurgency actions
Speaker 2: in i Rock and Afghanistan and nation building for people
Speaker 2: that should build.
Speaker 1: Their own nations and we should left that to them.
Speaker 1: But that's a let's just.
Speaker 2: Not get not walk down that pathway right now. But
Speaker 2: there there was a particular focus on the the you know,
Speaker 2: the the elite individual soldier, the American soldier, and all
Speaker 2: the different things and rules. But it was an infantry,
Speaker 2: largely infantry operations. We're talking about here, right, the war
Speaker 2: of the future that we're looking especially if we avoid
Speaker 2: getting into these these entanglements of nation building and trying
Speaker 2: to separate warring parties. You know, I I'm weaving here,
Speaker 2: so I'm sorry. I got to go into this for
Speaker 2: a second. I watched on Netflix recently.
Speaker 1: This was worth it.
Speaker 2: This is actually worth watching Surviving black Hawk Down. And
Speaker 2: Surviving black Hawk Down's very good, very well done series.
Speaker 2: I read the Mark Boden book when it came out.
Speaker 2: Actually initially it was a series of articles and then
Speaker 2: it came out as a book. But I read it
Speaker 2: along time ago, and then I saw the movie. I
Speaker 2: think the movie is one of the best war movies
Speaker 2: I've ever seen, one of the most realistic modern war
Speaker 2: movies ever made. And you know, it's just it's an
Speaker 2: incredible story. It's an incredible story, and it shows the bravery,
Speaker 2: the challenges, the risks that our infantry are our soldiers
Speaker 2: take in these kind of third world hell holes. But
Speaker 2: also what the Surviving blackhawk Down, to me, at least
Speaker 2: series adds to this is you get a little more
Speaker 2: of the context of what the heck were we doing there?
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton, of course running the show. And we're there
Speaker 2: because there's a civil war going on, you know, all
Speaker 2: over small but mostly we're based in Mogadishu. You got
Speaker 2: warring factions and we're we're trying to do a humanitarian mission,
Speaker 2: but then we've got apaches doing strike missions, and then
Speaker 2: we want to do more human I mean, it was the.
Speaker 1: Strategic the police level was a disaster.
Speaker 2: And I'm just gonna say that Bill Clinton the most
Speaker 2: overrated intellect maybe in the history of American politics.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm so smart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, please, we know what Bill, We know what Bill
Speaker 2: was really thinking about. And it wasn't policy in Somalia,
Speaker 2: that's for sure. And I'm brave soldiers of ours paid
Speaker 2: paid for the poor strategy and planning with their lives,
Speaker 2: and many of them were wounded. But I think about
Speaker 2: this in the context of these We've learned this lesson
Speaker 2: many times. Oh and you also, I would add to this.
Speaker 2: You see the perspective of Somali militia leaders. They interviewed them,
Speaker 2: which was really interesting. Who were there that day at
Speaker 2: the black Hawk Down incident. You see what they were saying.
Speaker 2: And anyway, so I would I would recommend you. I
Speaker 2: know a lot of you don't like Netflix, you don't
Speaker 2: want to subscribe to it, but I'm just saying, if
Speaker 2: you do subscribe to Netflix, this is a worthwhile series.
Speaker 2: But that was another one of these police actions. What
Speaker 2: are we doing there? Assuming we don't do that, And
Speaker 2: that's a lesson that we may have to just keep
Speaker 2: in mind going forward. Right, That's something that you know,
Speaker 2: you look at the Democrats. If Democrats see an opportunity
Speaker 2: to send other people sons and daughters to die for
Speaker 2: a war that they themselves would not fight in but
Speaker 2: makes them feel good about themselves at Georgetown cocktail parties, Hey,
Speaker 2: that's the kind of war they want other people fighting.
Speaker 2: So we have to remember that's not what we want.
Speaker 2: That's not what we want to do. But the war
Speaker 2: of the future is going to be based on technology,
Speaker 2: material machinery and robotics and AI and satellite connectivity and drones.
Speaker 2: That's very apparent. And I have friends who work in
Speaker 2: the aerospace and defense sector, and I know people that
Speaker 2: are that are involved in the cutting edge of this.
Speaker 2: And why does that matter for trade? Because that really
Speaker 2: turns into a who can make more of the best
Speaker 2: stuff the fastest at the highest level wins. So it's
Speaker 2: not just a oh, China has cheaper labor costs unless
Speaker 2: environl our mental regulation, so we should just let them
Speaker 2: make all of our stuff. Well, if things continue to
Speaker 2: heat up, remember this is not stuff you can switch
Speaker 2: on overnight. If China has all the factories to give
Speaker 2: us all this stuff for different sectors that are national
Speaker 2: security dependent, they can turn that spigot off when they
Speaker 2: want to. And yeah, maybe in a couple of years
Speaker 2: we could start to catch up. But if we go
Speaker 2: into a hot war with China in twenty years or
Speaker 2: ten years, or who knows, we're not going to have
Speaker 2: a few years to play catch up. And that's what
Speaker 2: Trump and his team are taking into account now as well.
Speaker 2: I understand there's also the short term financial impacts, and
Speaker 2: we'll talk more about this, but there's a clear national
Speaker 2: security component to the degree the amount of offshoring that
Speaker 2: we have for our industrial base. And that's an additional
Speaker 2: conversation to what do we do for the American middle class?
Speaker 2: Just working Americans trying to pay their bills? You know
Speaker 2: what happens for them, what's best for them? How could
Speaker 2: you create an economy where there are a lot of
Speaker 2: job opportunities. Of course, illegal immigration plays into this too.
Speaker 2: Supply and demand in terms of human materi l is
Speaker 2: also a real thing, right, you have to look at
Speaker 2: personnel that matters. How many people are available for a
Speaker 2: job that matters. So all these different pieces come together.
Speaker 2: But back on the national security piece. Here, as I
Speaker 2: said Stephen Miller laying it down yesterday on Liberation Day,
Speaker 2: this is cut seven.
Speaker 8: And so what he's doing today is for the first
Speaker 8: time ever, you're saying that if you have stolen our
Speaker 8: jobs and therefore threatens our national security, we will apply
Speaker 8: a reciprocal tariff based on the degree of your misconduct.
Speaker 8: So for countries like China, for example, they will see
Speaker 8: a very high terriff fright because they've engaged in the
Speaker 8: most egregious conduct threaten as our national security. For countries
Speaker 8: that have severe but not as severe misconduct, they'll see
Speaker 8: a moderate but not as high tariff fright. The effect, though,
Speaker 8: of those global tariffs will be that companies will have
Speaker 8: to move their production back into the United States. So
Speaker 8: factories will leave, whether it be Mexico or Canada, or
Speaker 8: Vietnam or Cambodia or China or the European Union, they
Speaker 8: will come back to the United States to produce their products,
Speaker 8: to make their goods, and in so doing, Yes, it
Speaker 8: will create jobs. Yes it will increase revenues. But most importantly,
Speaker 8: it will restore our national security so that we will
Speaker 8: not be dependent on anyone else to survive and thrive
Speaker 8: us a nation.
Speaker 2: All of these pieces together, they all tie in together,
Speaker 2: and they're Yes, there are competing interests, and yes, this
Speaker 2: isn't going to be easy from the get go. There's
Speaker 2: gonna be an adjustment period. I don't know how long
Speaker 2: it will be.
Speaker 1: And as I've.
Speaker 2: Said, you know, if Trump is wrong on this one,
Speaker 2: then the economy has.
Speaker 1: A Look, it's not gonna be the Great Depression.
Speaker 2: It's not gonna please I actually think things are going
Speaker 2: to It's gonna be pretty quick, and you're gonna have
Speaker 2: what I would say is the Trump dividend. The Trump
Speaker 2: bounce back might take until the fall, maybe it's this summer,
Speaker 2: I don't know. But once some of this stuff gets
Speaker 2: cleared out of the system, and once they start bringing
Speaker 2: rates down and there's all these things that can happen,
Speaker 2: you are going to see Remember the first Trump I
Speaker 2: keep talking about the record, Remember the first Trump economy,
Speaker 2: before COVID and before the Democrats, because their psychos used
Speaker 2: the whole thing or lock everything down and shut down
Speaker 2: the economy artificially. Economy from twenty sixteen to twenty to
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen when Trump took office to twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Was kicking, but kicking, but and all all the way through.
Speaker 2: The guy knows what he's doing. He knows what he's
Speaker 2: doing on this stuff. I have faith in him, and
Speaker 2: I think all of you do as well. So we'll
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Speaker 2: Congressman Jim Jordan joins us to talk about everything going on. Congressman,
Speaker 2: always appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 1: You bet Bucket to be with you can we start.
Speaker 2: You know what, I want to have you react to this. Okay,
Speaker 2: Over at CNBC, this is cut eight. They are freaking
Speaker 2: out right now, and I wanted to let you tell
Speaker 2: everybody how you're feeling about this. But let's play cut eight.
Speaker 2: This is the situation of the terriff assessment over there, playing.
Speaker 9: The market reaction after hours. I've never seen anything like it. This,
Speaker 9: I think fair to say, is worse than the worst
Speaker 9: case scenario of the tariffs that many in the market
Speaker 9: expected the President to impose. And there's some question of
Speaker 9: how the administration calculated the percentages that they're responding to
Speaker 9: in each of these cases. Are they adding in value
Speaker 9: added taxes? He talked about non tariff barriers as well,
Speaker 9: So I think while many were hoping that this would
Speaker 9: eliminates uncertainty, there's going to be more uncertainty in the market, worse.
Speaker 1: Than the worst case scenario. Jim, what do you make
Speaker 1: of it?
Speaker 5: Everyone needs to relax. And you know the thing I
Speaker 5: keep coming up with all these these foreign countries saying
Speaker 5: they're going to do this if TARA and talking about
Speaker 5: how bad it is the President Tump does this. If
Speaker 5: tariffs are so bad, why don't they just get rid
Speaker 5: of the tariffs they have on all our products. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's it's that's pretty basic. And frankly, that's the president's argument.
Speaker 5: Why don't you show us the respect we've shown you.
Speaker 5: They won't do that. He's saying, Okay, we're tired of
Speaker 5: taking it on the chin. We're tired of manufacturing leaving
Speaker 5: this country. I mean, my dad was a union worker
Speaker 5: for General Motors in Dayton, Ohio. There used to be
Speaker 5: several plants GM plants in Dayton. Now there's not. And
Speaker 5: and and the auto worker who stood up yesterday with
Speaker 5: the I thought the President's for march were great. The
Speaker 5: auto worker who stood up, I think spoke for so
Speaker 5: many middle middle class, working class families. Enough of this,
Speaker 5: Let's try something different, Let's tell them to quit sticking
Speaker 5: it to us, and let's look out for the interest
Speaker 5: of the American family, the American worker, in the American economy.
Speaker 2: So you you have faith that this should play out
Speaker 2: and that the president, I mean, how much of this
Speaker 2: in your mind do you think is just the ongoing
Speaker 2: negotiation of it before we can even know what it
Speaker 2: is that's going to be the final dispensation of where
Speaker 2: these different tariff numbers are.
Speaker 5: No. I think that's a good point. And we all
Speaker 5: know that the President is is this great, is a
Speaker 5: great negotiator, He's I think he believes in tariffs. He
Speaker 5: certainly said that he's used tariffs in the past. He
Speaker 5: used it in his first term. I know he used
Speaker 5: it on steel and the benefit in manufacturing in our
Speaker 5: great state, particularly the whirlpool facility in our one of
Speaker 5: the many whorldpool facilities in our in our state. So
Speaker 5: this shouldn't be a big surprise. You never had to
Speaker 5: this degree. But like anything worth accomplishing, anything worth really achieving,
Speaker 5: there's always some effort and some discipline and some toughness
Speaker 5: involved with getting there. That's just the way life works.
Speaker 5: I don't think this is any different. But I think
Speaker 5: the American people see where the President wants to go.
Speaker 5: Certainly working class people see where he wants to go.
Speaker 5: They know what's happened in manufacturing, and I think there's
Speaker 5: a trust level there with the president network. It'll be
Speaker 5: maybe some difficult times here for a while, but I
Speaker 5: think we get through it and we come out better
Speaker 5: on the other side. And that's the whole point.
Speaker 2: Someone else that caught My attention. Congressman, you are the
Speaker 2: chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, and you can speak
Speaker 2: to this internal FBI chat law yes, showing that the
Speaker 2: FBI imposed a gag order about the New York Post
Speaker 2: story on the Hunter Biden laptop the day it came out.
Speaker 1: Oh my, give us these details.
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, we knew this from a deposition,
Speaker 5: but this is the first time we've got the document.
Speaker 5: So God bless the FBI. This is this is the
Speaker 5: night and day difference between what we had before and
Speaker 5: what we have under Cashptel and Pam Bondi the Justice Department.
Speaker 5: But we had mister Brady Olsen, one of the guys
Speaker 5: mentioned in his chat that you can see it, but
Speaker 5: he told us, he said, yeah, in a meeting that
Speaker 5: these regular meetings that took place where the FBI would
Speaker 5: go talk to big tech and they'll run up to
Speaker 5: the twenty twenty presidential election, and they were prepping them
Speaker 5: on all that there might be an information operation, it
Speaker 5: might come from a foreign country. They were prepping them
Speaker 5: on what they knew could happen because they had the
Speaker 5: laptop and they knew it was real. That one of
Speaker 5: these meetings, the day that this comes up is October fourteenth.
Speaker 5: It comes up and someone says is the laptop reel
Speaker 5: and the FBI confirms it. Someone spoke out a turn.
Speaker 5: They quickly get together, get their story straight, and from
Speaker 5: that point on they say no comment. And then they
Speaker 5: even have in the chat. The one that stuck out
Speaker 5: with me was where they said Twitter is treating this
Speaker 5: story as disinformation. They treated as this information because you
Speaker 5: prepped them for that and you knew it was real.
Speaker 5: This just demonstrates what we knew all along that the
Speaker 5: FBI wasn't being square with the American people.
Speaker 2: Now, how confident are you in the ability for that
Speaker 2: entity to be reformed? I know you have a lot
Speaker 2: of faith in Director Patel and Deputy Director Bondino, But
Speaker 2: they're taking as it's an unwieldy and problematic operation. They're
Speaker 2: taking over. What are some of the things that you
Speaker 2: think need to get done over there, not only to
Speaker 2: clean house internally, but to help restore faith for the
Speaker 2: American people in a federal la enforcement institution that we
Speaker 2: need to function at the highest level and without partisan agenda.
Speaker 5: Yeah, already two things have happened. One, they're beginning to
Speaker 5: move people out of the third of the FBI agents
Speaker 5: we're in DC area. Well that's not where all the
Speaker 5: crime takes place. I mean enough takes place in this area.
Speaker 5: But so they're moving them out and focusing more on
Speaker 5: traditional going after traditional bad guys versus this surveillance on
Speaker 5: American citizens. So that's one huge step in the right
Speaker 5: direction that Director Bettel and Dana put in into place. Second,
Speaker 5: I just know what we've gotten in the in the
Speaker 5: first few weeks that he's been running the FBI. We
Speaker 5: said seven subpoenas over there five weeks ago. The response
Speaker 5: the documents we're getting is, like I said, it's night
Speaker 5: and day compared to what we got under Chris Ray,
Speaker 5: what we got under Merrick Garland at the Justice Department.
Speaker 5: So there's just two examples of where they're already changing
Speaker 5: how that place operates, saying we're going to get the
Speaker 5: truth and we're going to get the facts of the
Speaker 5: American people, answer the questions that they have, and we're
Speaker 5: going to put our agents on actually stopping you know,
Speaker 5: the crime activity that that is that we traditionally associate
Speaker 5: with the FBI, mafia, organized clime, money, launching, all those things,
Speaker 5: versus again buying on the American people.
Speaker 2: Talking to Congress and Jim Jordan from Ohio and uh,
Speaker 2: one thing that I think a congressman, that is interesting
Speaker 2: to see how President Trump is staying on this and
Speaker 2: not not moving, not moving the agenda very much from
Speaker 2: what he said.
Speaker 1: It would be the freeze on funding to Maine.
Speaker 2: Remember there was that little back and forth with the
Speaker 2: governor of Maine and the President where she was she
Speaker 2: was talking tough about you know, I'll see you in court,
Speaker 2: and he was like.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. I love court, Let's go to court.
Speaker 2: And now the Trump administration is freeze funding to Maine
Speaker 2: for letting trans athletes compete against girls by you know,
Speaker 2: man in biological man or teenagers competing against girls. It
Speaker 2: feels like promise made, promise kept on this one. What
Speaker 2: do you make of it?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 5: No, this is this is why the American people appreciate
Speaker 5: the President. I say this all the time. We make
Speaker 5: the job too complicate. What to tell the voters you
Speaker 5: were going to do when you ran for it. If
Speaker 5: they elect you, do what you said. And this is
Speaker 5: president he told It's not like you told us. It
Speaker 5: wasn't gonna be a doje ef he's not like you
Speaker 5: told us he wasn't going to run that. It's not
Speaker 5: like you told us he wasn't for caraffs and he
Speaker 5: was tired of being being taken advantage by other countries.
Speaker 5: And it's not like he told us that. You know,
Speaker 5: he thinks, like the vast majority of Americans that you know,
Speaker 5: guys shouldn't be competing against girls in sports. I mean,
Speaker 5: so he's doing what he said, and I think so
Speaker 5: many Americans just appreciate that. And he says this all
Speaker 5: the time, and we've talked about this buck but like
Speaker 5: we're the Party of common sense. It's common sense to
Speaker 5: to have a border. The left of party are crazy.
Speaker 5: It's crazy not to have a border. It's crazy to
Speaker 5: say boys to compete against girls in sports. It's crazy
Speaker 5: to to to I mean, to take a plane and
Speaker 5: a judge say, turn the plane around, bring the bad
Speaker 5: guys back here who were illegal, part of an organized
Speaker 5: terrorist organization, the most dangerous gang on the planet. Turned
Speaker 5: that plane around and bring it back. That's crazy. So
Speaker 5: the President is all for doing the common sense things
Speaker 5: that he campaigned on, and one of them was the
Speaker 5: issue with the governor made and he's sticking to it,
Speaker 5: and God bless him for doing it.
Speaker 2: Did you see this, this female fencer who took a
Speaker 2: knee instead of competing against a male opponent. She was
Speaker 2: disqualified for this, And I just think that one, it's
Speaker 2: a brave thing to do for this young woman to
Speaker 2: do it, but also it's the right.
Speaker 1: Thing to do.
Speaker 2: People should not women should not subject themselves to this anymore.
Speaker 2: There should be I think, a campaign to opt I mean,
Speaker 2: you were a college athlete, there should be a campaign
Speaker 2: to opt out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, you know, and God blessed Riley Gaines
Speaker 5: and what she's done, the President's executive order that he
Speaker 5: signed about five six weeks ago. But you need people
Speaker 5: who are courageous like this, this young lady who's stood
Speaker 5: up or I guess in this situation she knelt down
Speaker 5: and said no, we're not going there. And and Riley
Speaker 5: Gaines who started this, and others. Everyone instinctively knows this
Speaker 5: is wrong, particularly parent of young ladies who are competing
Speaker 5: in sports, who are working hard to it. We had
Speaker 5: two daughters, both were athletes. I mean, that's it's just
Speaker 5: ridiculous and everyone gets it. But if the left wants
Speaker 5: to defend it, from a political standpoint, I don't think
Speaker 5: it helps them just one more example of the crazy
Speaker 5: positions that left now takes.
Speaker 1: Do you think that?
Speaker 2: And I'm just asking for your your sense of it, right,
Speaker 2: I know that you can't really know, but I'm curious
Speaker 2: what your perception is of it. Among Democrat House colleagues.
Speaker 2: You know, when when you see how they have to take,
Speaker 2: what positions they take on this issue of the transgender
Speaker 2: sports stuff, is it more that they actually believe this
Speaker 2: or more that they're just afraid of the crazies within
Speaker 2: their party who think that this is the new civil
Speaker 2: rights crusade.
Speaker 5: It's the latter. It's you know, it's the old. Some
Speaker 5: politicians when they get asked a question, it's a yeah
Speaker 5: for that next question, please that they just want to
Speaker 5: move on. They just want to like, uh, kind of
Speaker 5: ignore it. But I think it's more of the latter. Now.
Speaker 5: There are some I mean the heart I always say,
Speaker 5: not all Democrats are crazy, but the left that controls
Speaker 5: their party is, and that's where the energy is in
Speaker 5: the party. It's it's the it's the radical left, and
Speaker 5: they're they're driving this stuff. So I think many of
Speaker 5: them just kind of put the head down and move on,
Speaker 5: don't want to deal with it and helps less leave
Speaker 5: them alone. But there are some, there are some who
Speaker 5: truly believe that you should just let it happen with
Speaker 5: them like it. That's great.
Speaker 1: It is. It is crazy, is not, and that is
Speaker 1: the only way to describe it.
Speaker 2: It is a it is a nonsane, insane thing to believe.
Speaker 2: And and the fact that this continues on is It's
Speaker 2: just I think the Democrat Party has to carry this
Speaker 2: around and they're not gonna They're not gonna be able
Speaker 2: to win this issue because they're wrong and because they're lying. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, usually now we get to like clays out,
Speaker 2: today's playing golf, you know, as one does. It is
Speaker 2: having a good time. So usually we'd ask you a
Speaker 2: sports question. I actually have an nerd question for you.
Speaker 2: But you know how the budget process and the money
Speaker 2: stuff works. You mentioned Doge, So sorry, Usually now we'd
Speaker 2: have some fun. But instead I'm like, let's let's take
Speaker 2: out the calculator.
Speaker 5: Way though, you should go with us next time we go.
Speaker 5: You should go to the INNA wrestling with this next
Speaker 5: it was. There was some boring matches early, but the
Speaker 5: heavyweight match was so you got to come with us
Speaker 5: next time. Oh, I would love to wet. You got
Speaker 5: to come with us next time we go to that.
Speaker 5: It's a fun time, you know.
Speaker 2: My my primary school in New York actually wrote about
Speaker 2: this on X used to require everybody in the winter
Speaker 2: season for sports to do wrestling, and I thought it
Speaker 2: was a great It was great.
Speaker 1: No, I mean it, it was great. Like it was.
Speaker 2: We all learned the basics and we had tournaments and
Speaker 2: then Jim Classic. Of course, they got rid of it
Speaker 2: about ten years after I graduated because people thought it
Speaker 2: was too violent. You know, there was this whole oh
Speaker 2: the parrots. Yeah, wrestling was too violent, you know, anyway
Speaker 2: it was. It was kind of crazy. Okay, wait my
Speaker 2: nerd question. Yes, I'd love to go to the wrestling
Speaker 2: nerd question. Though important you mentioned, doge. I see all
Speaker 2: this stuff about the cut. How much of this is
Speaker 2: Trump can cut as executive chief, and how much of
Speaker 2: it is those identifying where there should be cuts that
Speaker 2: you and your colleagues in Congress are going to have
Speaker 2: to figure out, and the budgets that the money actually
Speaker 2: gets taken out Again.
Speaker 5: It's more of the latter. We're going to have to
Speaker 5: do a recision package. Now, the way the decision package
Speaker 5: works is the White House sends it to Capitol Hill.
Speaker 5: So it's different. Normally, all spending and taxing bills obviously
Speaker 5: start in the Congress, specifically in the House. Under the constitution,
Speaker 5: taxing and spending is the House representatives, the body close
Speaker 5: to the people. But this is something where you want
Speaker 5: to rescind money that's already been appropriated. The White House
Speaker 5: sends it to Capitol Hill and says, these things are ridiculous.
Speaker 5: Can you rescind this? And the beauty of a recision
Speaker 5: package is you only need fifty votes in the Senate.
Speaker 5: You don't need to get to the supermajority of sixty.
Speaker 5: So we're waiting for that package. We've been pushing and
Speaker 5: urging the White House to get us that package. I
Speaker 5: would have loved to have done this in steps, even
Speaker 5: like last week. It had been nice to have a
Speaker 5: bill that simply said no more money goes to npry
Speaker 5: have followed this. The lady miser of course, by the CEO.
Speaker 5: She was terrible. She said it was eighty seven to zero,
Speaker 5: eighty seven Democrat editors at NPR in the DC area,
Speaker 5: zero Republicans according to one of their journalist who worked
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Speaker 5: She did that research and gave that data, and I
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Speaker 5: to zero. But there's still I mean, it was ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee joins us Senator always going
Speaker 2: to talk to you, Thanks for being here.
Speaker 10: It is always so good to talk to you. Thanks
Speaker 10: so much for.
Speaker 1: Having me on a bunch of issues.
Speaker 2: Wanted to get your your latest analysis on judiciary hearings,
Speaker 2: drug seizure of the border.
Speaker 1: We're going to get into that momentarily.
Speaker 2: But first, I know that Tennessee, your home state, has
Speaker 2: been hit with some really scary storms and there's been
Speaker 2: some loss of life. What can you tell us about
Speaker 2: these tornadoes and the and the efforts to get help
Speaker 2: to those need it.
Speaker 10: Yes, we know that they have touched down in a
Speaker 10: couple of counties. Hartiman County and McNairy County. The town
Speaker 10: of Selmer has been the hardest hit. They have lost
Speaker 10: six lives. And I know our governor and the Tennessee
Speaker 10: Emergency Management my team, they've all been out this morning
Speaker 10: and they're working hard to help people recover and to
Speaker 10: do a damage assessment. But McNairy County, Tennessee, really caught
Speaker 10: the brunt of it last night, and we certainly are
Speaker 10: praying for those individuals. And then we've got a lot
Speaker 10: of flooding that is taking place in the middle Tennessee
Speaker 10: area and continuing to watch that. It should be raining
Speaker 10: for another eight hours or so and then we'll be
Speaker 10: able to do a better damage assessment.
Speaker 2: Is there a need Center for coordination with the Trump
Speaker 2: administration the federal government on some of the efforts to
Speaker 2: get help, or is the State of Tennessee mostly handling.
Speaker 10: Well, we did the disaster declaration last night during the night,
Speaker 10: and President Trump went ahead and approved that. So those
Speaker 10: resources are being surged into the area now, and we're
Speaker 10: really grateful to the President for taking such swift action
Speaker 10: on that and coordinating with our state.
Speaker 2: All right, Center, Well, thoughts and prayers go to everybody
Speaker 2: in your state affected by this and we know that
Speaker 2: you and President Trump and also Tennessee Emergency services are
Speaker 2: on it. I had a friend who just moved to
Speaker 2: Nashville and was surprised that at how these tornadoes rolled in,
Speaker 2: and it really rattled a lot of people. So anyway,
Speaker 2: aught and prayers go to them, and we'll be thinking
Speaker 2: about the folks at Tennessee. Tell us about this judiciary
Speaker 2: hearing on universal injunctions. This seems to be clearly the
Speaker 2: universal injunctions one of the primary obstruction tools that have
Speaker 2: been used against the Trump agenda so far. What came
Speaker 2: out of these hearings and what do you think comes
Speaker 2: next on this issue.
Speaker 10: One of the things that really was so apparent on
Speaker 10: this is how the Democrats have not been able to
Speaker 10: get what they want. It's a ballot box, so they've
Speaker 10: not been able to get what they want legislatively, and
Speaker 10: they really were sent a message on November fifth if
Speaker 10: they did not like so now they have turned to
Speaker 10: the judiciary and time and again, as we heard from
Speaker 10: the witnesses, there is absolutely no constitutional or statutorial authority
Speaker 10: for a district judge to issue a nationwide injunction, and
Speaker 10: a district judge is constrained by the case in front
Speaker 10: of him and the district in which he is seated
Speaker 10: and he cannot go outside of that. And so it
Speaker 10: just show Rode showed how the Democrats are trying to
Speaker 10: politicize the court this time to get their way, which
Speaker 10: is to stop President Trump's agenda. And in the month
Speaker 10: of February, these activist judges issued fifteen universal injunctions against Trump,
Speaker 10: and during Biden's entire administration four years, there were only
Speaker 10: fourteen against Biden in total.
Speaker 2: Now, what do you think should happen or what are
Speaker 2: you hoping will happen next?
Speaker 1: On this?
Speaker 2: The Supreme Court, I would assume, has to has to
Speaker 2: weigh in. So it feels like for a lot of us,
Speaker 2: are we just in a weight and see mode for
Speaker 2: there to be some sanity restored to this process. What
Speaker 2: happens next, Well.
Speaker 10: We do have legislation and having the bill that would
Speaker 10: clarify that the judge cannot go outside of his district
Speaker 10: to end in making a ruling that helps to elevate
Speaker 10: this issue. Because Justice Roberts, Chief Justice Roberts is going
Speaker 10: to have to weigh in on this, and the Supreme
Speaker 10: Court is going to have to weigh in on this issue,
Speaker 10: but we think it is a valid point and something
Speaker 10: that is necessary to point out that this authority does
Speaker 10: not exist with these federal district judges. And again it
Speaker 10: points out the importance of having good constitutional jurists on
Speaker 10: the bench.
Speaker 2: Also yesterday, Senator, there was a hearing Senate hearing with
Speaker 2: the CEO, the current CEO of Boeing. You know, a
Speaker 2: lot of people are much more attuned to air safety
Speaker 2: than they have been in a while, giving some of
Speaker 2: the very unfortunate situations, both including some fatal accidents but
Speaker 2: also some near misses that have been happening. I know
Speaker 2: this specifically was focused on seven thirty seven Max nine
Speaker 2: jet incident and some other very high profile aviation aviation issues.
Speaker 2: But what happened to Boeing? I mean, that's I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people just curious. This used to be
Speaker 2: considered a great American company with incredible safety procedures, incredibly innovative,
Speaker 2: and there's been a loss of confidence in Boeing as
Speaker 2: a corporation. What did the CEO tell you? What do
Speaker 2: people need to know about how this company and just
Speaker 2: airline safety in general is getting the focus that it
Speaker 2: needs well and.
Speaker 10: On airline safety. We have all been very concerned about
Speaker 10: that and are pushing the FAA to make certain that
Speaker 10: they are hiring people that are qualified to be air
Speaker 10: traffic controllers. And last year because of DEI requirements, they
Speaker 10: had a thousand people that were qualified, but they did
Speaker 10: not take them because they didn't meet certain DEI requirements.
Speaker 10: Now on Boeing, I think that many of us have
Speaker 10: just been disappointed with how they've taken their eye off
Speaker 10: the ball, seemingly when it comes to safety. And I
Speaker 10: talked to with the CEO yesterday in my time of
Speaker 10: questioning about how their culture at the company just seemed
Speaker 10: to have eroded and there was not that trust among
Speaker 10: the employees and the leadership. And then also the lack
Speaker 10: of protection that was given to whistleblowers because whistle blowers
Speaker 10: had been fired, they had been isolated, and what we need.
Speaker 10: If they had been heeding what these whistleblowers were saying,
Speaker 10: maybe that would have helped with not having this diminished
Speaker 10: work culture, and maybe they would not have taken their
Speaker 10: eye off the safety provisions that they should be meeting
Speaker 10: every single day as a guarantee to the flying public.
Speaker 2: We're speaking the Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee and Senator
Speaker 2: the one of the areas where the Trump administration right
Speaker 2: out of the gate has shown just incredible results is
Speaker 2: the reduction in illegal entries.
Speaker 1: In the United States.
Speaker 2: There's also been a substantial reduction in the illegal importation
Speaker 2: of drugs like fentanyl, methamphetamine, cocaine, all the rest of it.
Speaker 2: But you have raised, you and along with your colleague
Speaker 2: Senator Ted Cruz, have raised that there was an effort
Speaker 2: that previously existed to add to the current, you know,
Speaker 2: the current efforts to stop the drugs from flowing into
Speaker 2: the country that involve interdiction at at transit hubs, and
Speaker 2: that Biden, the Biden administration turned this off. Can you
Speaker 2: tell us about what this program was and what would
Speaker 2: it take to get it going again.
Speaker 10: Yes, and this was a program that was suspended. It
Speaker 10: was a DEA program and it is called consensual encounters,
Speaker 10: and it allowed DEA agents to inspect and conduct interdiction
Speaker 10: efforts in transit hubs. And we're trying to restore that. Now.
Speaker 10: Let me just give you the Nashville Airport as an example.
Speaker 10: If you take the period of time from twenty twenty
Speaker 10: two to twenty four, then they apprehended thirty three kilgrams
Speaker 10: of fentanyl pills, sixteen kilograms of fentanyl powder, and over
Speaker 10: fifteen hundred kilograms of marijuana as they were conducting these interdictions,
Speaker 10: and the DOJ's Inspector General had conclude that the Biden
Speaker 10: administration DEA was not following these policies that are put
Speaker 10: in place, and we should be using every federal agency
Speaker 10: and everything that we have in order to conduct these
Speaker 10: searches and to keep these drugs from coming into the country.
Speaker 2: Is there anything else that you would like to see
Speaker 2: on the congressional specifically Senate side, a congressional side to
Speaker 2: help with border related efforts. Is there anything else that
Speaker 2: as a member of Congress you could help get done,
Speaker 2: because it's great what Trump has done so far, but
Speaker 2: it feels like legislation could always help, or maybe in
Speaker 2: this case it could help.
Speaker 10: Well, we do need legislation because we need to codify
Speaker 10: the actions of the president and we need to make
Speaker 10: certain that we go back to building the wall so
Speaker 10: that we deter that entry on the southern border, and
Speaker 10: we have to turn our attention to the northern border
Speaker 10: with Canada. When you look at the amount of fintannol
Speaker 10: that was apprehended not by Canadian manted police, but by
Speaker 10: the US Border Patrol up there on that northern border.
Speaker 10: It was enough to kill nearly fifty million people. And
Speaker 10: we know that the drug traffickers are now changing their
Speaker 10: route and they're going up to the Canadian border and
Speaker 10: then coming back down into the US. So it is
Speaker 10: imperative that we look at what is going to happen
Speaker 10: there with securing that border, and I think that you
Speaker 10: will see us push more for these programs that will
Speaker 10: help us to secure this country. And bear in mind
Speaker 10: when we secure the border and you curb illegal entry,
Speaker 10: and thank goodness, we are now at the lowest levels
Speaker 10: it's been in two decades. Them Border Patrol has the
Speaker 10: opportunity to do more work at the ports of entry
Speaker 10: and to stop the transit of some of these drugs
Speaker 10: that have been making their way into the country.
Speaker 2: Senator Blackburn, always appreciate you making time for us here
Speaker 2: on Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 10: Absolutely, thank you. Bania.
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