Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
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Speaker 1: back to All the Smoke here in the Legend Suite
Speaker 1: at the Wind Hotel. Jack him up, broke you good
Speaker 1: man having a good time. He's got cleaned up. Ye
Speaker 1: bade chis Now you hit them with the sophistication today
Speaker 1: with the glasses. I see. Yeah, I'm trying to and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to teach these junks and something. Y'all want
Speaker 1: to go always bottom in the spencer shades and y'all
Speaker 1: really be looking like y'all got on blue blockers, go
Speaker 1: right there, the ray bands, hunted ray bands to plug
Speaker 1: hunted dollars. You'll be flies hills. Okay, I guess yeah,
Speaker 1: don't put on don't put on the blue blocking stuff. Okay,
Speaker 1: I guess that's what it is that you want to interduce. Yesterday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my mother sucking dog and had a shot already today.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna really love all the smoke today because
Speaker 1: it's going down h for Jenia birthday, my brother rookie year.
Speaker 1: Two guys from Texas same Saul uh he saved me
Speaker 1: my rookie year. My brother Kenyan Martin. Okay, motherfucking Mark
Speaker 1: broad boy, straight jacket crazy. You know what it is? Yeah, Okay, up,
Speaker 1: what's up, bro? How's how's life these days? What's going
Speaker 1: on on a day to day for you? Right now?
Speaker 1: Life is good? Man, Life is good, father, the first
Speaker 1: and foremost, I'm saying, faking life out in that manner. Um,
Speaker 1: I got a few business eventually working on manum and
Speaker 1: my wife brainstorming. Yeah, just staying out the way, man,
Speaker 1: just trying to figure it out. And I'm happy, man,
Speaker 1: good places. You already living in his dream, already your
Speaker 1: son in the league. Yeah, that's that's I'm watching him grow.
Speaker 1: Why it's development. That's great man, you know it's it's
Speaker 1: like it's one of those things where you like I've
Speaker 1: been seeing it and now everybody else getting to see it,
Speaker 1: like what I've been telling him and telling the world.
Speaker 1: Man like that boy can go like and and and
Speaker 1: he shooting the laces off that thing. So it's not
Speaker 1: and he here's what it takes man to be special,
Speaker 1: and he wants it. And where they're giving their money
Speaker 1: out now listen, Jack, hey, man, get to it. It's
Speaker 1: been dope to see it. Though, because you know, I
Speaker 1: used to come check his games out when he's in
Speaker 1: high school just to keep the development just keeps happening
Speaker 1: so fast. It's beautiful to see what he's doing. Stand
Speaker 1: in the lab man, like listening, Stand in that lab man,
Speaker 1: listening man, head down, blinders on what's in front of you, man.
Speaker 1: And I think that's hard for some kids to do
Speaker 1: today because there's so much given to him at an
Speaker 1: early age. We got you know, m Now we got
Speaker 1: kids are getting money all over the place right now.
Speaker 1: So to be able to stay focused on what got you,
Speaker 1: I think kids lose vision of the reason why all
Speaker 1: this other shing around him is happening. You gotta make
Speaker 1: sure you stay fresh at what got you all this
Speaker 1: ship instead of doing that and then having basketball be second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why they got guys like us as fathers and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know what I'm saying, They need that.
Speaker 1: You need that honesty because they're getting a lot of
Speaker 1: bullshit from a lot of places. What I'm saying, they
Speaker 1: feed them a lot of bullshit and tell them they're
Speaker 1: better than they are. You know what I'm saying, You
Speaker 1: gotta bring him that down to earth. I'm saying, just
Speaker 1: being honest with him. Favorite part about fatherhood obviously that's
Speaker 1: Junior is not your only one. Yeah, it's six of them.
Speaker 1: He's the oldest. So favorite thing about fathers just watching
Speaker 1: them grow, man, and being able to put what I
Speaker 1: didn't have into them. I'm saying what I would have wanted,
Speaker 1: and the father I'm saying to be there. What I'm saying,
Speaker 1: so always be present, to be there and what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: to be able to laugh and joke and knowing somebody
Speaker 1: got in my back no matter what what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you're just watching their development. Man, It's it's all
Speaker 1: over the place. Um, you know, my seventeen year old
Speaker 1: cameraon stretching out now, so he's starting to show signs
Speaker 1: that he wanted so trying to get in the fall
Speaker 1: in love with the game. Now, I'm saying. My nineteen
Speaker 1: year old, my daughter, she's in college, um doing her thing,
Speaker 1: um fashion stuff. Man. So they they're growing. Man. Got
Speaker 1: the young ones I'm saying, just watching them grow and
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, they
Speaker 1: got the older ones are leaning on and what I'm
Speaker 1: saying that we got built in babysitter. So up get
Speaker 1: to the we got six kids on the thirteen, the
Speaker 1: twins or thirteen. So they're just getting to the point
Speaker 1: now where they can kind of watch over the whole tribe.
Speaker 1: That's a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Being able to have that and trust them. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like now we like that's that's dope.
Speaker 1: But I'm say they're responsible. I'm the oldest woman smunking.
Speaker 1: They know. You know, Dad, they don't play the radio
Speaker 1: when they come to certain things. You know, when they
Speaker 1: come to a certain things. I let them be kids.
Speaker 1: I let them. I'm saying, they got to give them
Speaker 1: the world. But you know, I just I just demand
Speaker 1: that they respect and I respect and I'm saying, just
Speaker 1: do things the right way. Man. So that's that's didn't
Speaker 1: us yet. Man. But I'm I'm ecstatic about him. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Yeah, you know what I'm saying, y'all great
Speaker 1: fathers as well. Man, y'all know, y'all know what it's like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm he was born but Dallas and I'm talking about us.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I'm talking about talk about
Speaker 1: your childhood you know, and of course we gotta talk
Speaker 1: about moms. How I feel about your mama, like my
Speaker 1: mom too soon talk about just being in Dallas, man,
Speaker 1: growing up in the projects, since all we knew, like
Speaker 1: we I never owned a car growing up, and to
Speaker 1: catch the bus to go to grocery stores and do
Speaker 1: a lot of things. So um, they said, no Dad,
Speaker 1: damn me and my older sister. But Mom tried. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, she did with you had to do.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying things things were rough for
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. You know. We we grew
Speaker 1: up in the era where certain things, people die within
Speaker 1: certain things, and de real the whole, the whole situation. Man.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so we failed victim of that. But now
Speaker 1: we I'm saying, we are stuck by no matter what
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, no matter what was going on, that
Speaker 1: was my lady, what I'm saying, So for me to
Speaker 1: be able to provide for her, to have things and
Speaker 1: do things for her. When I got drafted, man, that
Speaker 1: was like yeah, absolutely man, Like people asked me, like
Speaker 1: the best time I had an NBA, I said, draft day,
Speaker 1: Like why, like be able to take care of Lydia
Speaker 1: like be able to give her things she ain't never had, man,
Speaker 1: but now it was it was dope, man, just to
Speaker 1: go back now and see where I come from, Like
Speaker 1: what what what I survived like that, Like a lot
Speaker 1: of people didn't still there, but yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I was having a conversation with a
Speaker 1: gentleman yesterday in a lot of hotel He just yeah,
Speaker 1: like like, so, how did you make it out? I
Speaker 1: was like for when I'm blessed, gifted and all that,
Speaker 1: but like how it worked, man, noticing what was important
Speaker 1: what wasn't. Like I was mischievous as a kid, but
Speaker 1: I didn't cross the line of getting locked up because
Speaker 1: I was seeing it was taking an ass away, like absolutely, yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to listen, hey, don't get don't get it.
Speaker 1: Don't get it. Twice I did. Yes, I did a
Speaker 1: couple of things that probably could have done. They could
Speaker 1: have locked my little lass up if they wanted to.
Speaker 1: But by the good grace of God. And I'm saying
Speaker 1: literally and acted a damn food on the scenes or
Speaker 1: they like you know what, she gonna wear his ass out,
Speaker 1: so listen, he gonna learn his lesson from this one.
Speaker 1: But now I'm just seeing like I had partners. Man,
Speaker 1: They're disappeared for six, seven, eight, nine months at a time.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, where are you being. They're like juvenile,
Speaker 1: Like is juven there? Like jail? Whoa because you twelve?
Speaker 1: You was in jail? Oh hell no. So they like
Speaker 1: kept me like you know what, I'm not so certain
Speaker 1: things like my partners stealing cars, selling dopey all that
Speaker 1: I beat there And when they get ready to that,
Speaker 1: I like, I go this way, like we're out, we're
Speaker 1: walking around the neighborhood and all that one partner, I'm
Speaker 1: still that car. I said, y'all have fun. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: walk the rest of the world. I'm not getting in
Speaker 1: that car with y'all. Man, I'm saying that they doing
Speaker 1: their thing. They written renting the dopehing car for then
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, can You're not getting in that car,
Speaker 1: y'all when they nobody got no license in the car
Speaker 1: like fourteen, Like no, I'm not doing so now. It
Speaker 1: was situations man that I avoid it. Man, And by
Speaker 1: the good grace of God, I like had hooped to
Speaker 1: turn to and other sports man and my sister them
Speaker 1: was on me. But no, it was. It wasn't from
Speaker 1: the environment that that that it could have went left
Speaker 1: like and in an instant what I'm saying because I
Speaker 1: was in it. I was in it, man, but I
Speaker 1: was looked up got the A U team. Did you
Speaker 1: play any other sports? Football on the baseball? Would you nice?
Speaker 1: I was a football defensive and tight end I saw
Speaker 1: in high school when my sophomore year, I was six
Speaker 1: six and like four sixty. Everything everything hit everything but
Speaker 1: listen though, so when listen YoY. We in practice one
Speaker 1: day though, right, so I grew up with my partner,
Speaker 1: Drawers within you couldn't tell me Drawers wasn't going to
Speaker 1: the NFL either as a linebacker or running back one
Speaker 1: or the two. So We're in practice one day doing
Speaker 1: dummy what I'm saying. So so second he did nobody
Speaker 1: want to run the ball? My nutass? I run it
Speaker 1: back then though, we had the little shields, so people
Speaker 1: want door the shields, but we didn't have like the
Speaker 1: things like the clamp of shields on. So you just
Speaker 1: put it up in your face, masks who are not
Speaker 1: to go listen, my nut at like run the ball, man.
Speaker 1: It's like everybody just got out the way he hit
Speaker 1: me so hard, dog fucking shield went for I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you know what it was my actually
Speaker 1: playing football to be honestly my sophomore year. But now
Speaker 1: I mean I was, yeah, I was. I was rough.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I didn't mind contact. Like
Speaker 1: as y'all know, the way I played the game man
Speaker 1: so and baseball first basing on picture a dad was
Speaker 1: playing picture a little bit um. I asked Hugs when
Speaker 1: I was sitting that if I could play baseball. He
Speaker 1: told me no, Like now you had a hoop dog
Speaker 1: like you come straight on this. Yeah, you know you'll
Speaker 1: be just just do this. Yeah, that's what it was though,
Speaker 1: so doing e see like during baseball season, we always
Speaker 1: had the gym to go to. Doing football season, we
Speaker 1: had the gym to go to. So basketball was always staple.
Speaker 1: I always ad you watching uh the bad Boy Pistons. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: just sending me everything Pistons man like that was you
Speaker 1: know me being born and sagging all. You know, that
Speaker 1: was there, you know what I'm saying. Like she's a
Speaker 1: die hard to date sports fan, like that's she lay
Speaker 1: the landboards. No, she she understood what it was man
Speaker 1: like you played the way I'm saying, you played the
Speaker 1: way I played the game, man, and she loved that style,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So she's to this day
Speaker 1: like that's all she do. She lay in her bed
Speaker 1: and it stays on either games or Sports Center and
Speaker 1: she does cross road puzzles like that's that's her. I'm saying, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So she eight three, So
Speaker 1: you know that's all she do. Man, Like she's sitting
Speaker 1: there and but she's she used to send me everything pistons,
Speaker 1: So everybody else was the bulls fan. Um I was
Speaker 1: basically like Mike bad. But Mike like, I'm over here
Speaker 1: with Zeke now and peep, So y'all like stories, get
Speaker 1: your story about my pistons. How wide I am? Right
Speaker 1: my second year, we're playing Utah, y'all, remember Carl Malone
Speaker 1: elbowed Isaiah Thompson split it open. Yeah, remember that z
Speaker 1: was leaking right way before he was way before I
Speaker 1: was ever in the league and never thought I was
Speaker 1: gonna be in the in the in the NBA to
Speaker 1: begin with, But I remember he had him leaking. Right
Speaker 1: We're playing Utah, were in Jersey on the break John
Speaker 1: Stock and dropped that thing off to him. I go
Speaker 1: right upside carm going on fucking head boom, lay him out,
Speaker 1: and he didn't get up and do nothing. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: these motherfucker's sofa here like in Jared Stone guy risked
Speaker 1: that man, so oh you motherfucker, I kick kill And
Speaker 1: I was like, he tried to take up for him,
Speaker 1: like Car and Car didn't do nothing. I was like,
Speaker 1: but that was physique, you know what I'm saying, way later,
Speaker 1: wired from old cliff Man, like listen off bro like
Speaker 1: and that started that started what it like nuts way
Speaker 1: back there. See, I told you that it had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with him, nothing, And I told us the
Speaker 1: other story way after the like when it happened, like
Speaker 1: what I did do do you think but the pistons
Speaker 1: and all that? Does that? Did that influence your the
Speaker 1: way you play? Absolutely? And in my environment that I
Speaker 1: grew up in, it was that, Like I'm seeing dudes
Speaker 1: fight over travel calls and get back to playing dog
Speaker 1: a double drip whatever. It was a game point. Listen,
Speaker 1: this is my environment and that's and I'm seeing this
Speaker 1: the way they play. Oh yeah that's acceptable, Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: that's acceptable. They're at the highest level doing it. So
Speaker 1: when I'm doing in high school, dude, some of the
Speaker 1: ship that I did, Bro, I know, you nuts, man, nuts.
Speaker 1: I think about it. Dog, if I one of my
Speaker 1: boys do that. Listen, Man, I'm gonna take in buy
Speaker 1: the game and I'm going in the bathroom, dog and
Speaker 1: I'm hand to him like he grown something s I
Speaker 1: did in high school. You know, I think about it, man,
Speaker 1: something I was whoa therapy therapy because I think about it, man,
Speaker 1: Like I'd be sitting up telling about like she she
Speaker 1: asked me, like, did you ever used the box? She like,
Speaker 1: like you give me like that you fight? I say,
Speaker 1: I probably should have, Like but no, man, just some
Speaker 1: of the stuff I think Backman, I'm like some was yeah,
Speaker 1: just environment dogs didn't watching them dudes go upside people
Speaker 1: head man, That's why men. Rick got along so well
Speaker 1: when the Big Three started, like I was, but from
Speaker 1: just playing and all that, soon he got around each other.
Speaker 1: It was like this my guy like yeah, like and
Speaker 1: I told it like my you know, so he tried
Speaker 1: to trade for me when I was with the Nuggets. Man,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't do it. Where was he in New York?
Speaker 1: This is before the mellow thing, all that way, before
Speaker 1: that went down, before he went there, Like Zeke was
Speaker 1: trying to get it done. I told him what I did.
Speaker 1: I saw him on vacation. Someone on vacation. I saw him,
Speaker 1: and I ran it down for him. Recruiting process, you
Speaker 1: end up going to Cincinnati. Who else was on your
Speaker 1: list for college? Should everybody? At first? And no grades?
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, like, you couldn't tell me I wasn't
Speaker 1: going to Kentucky. Who was there? Who was there at
Speaker 1: the time was just Rippetino, man, Like I want to
Speaker 1: play Riptino content. I wasn't going to Kentucky. Typical Kenyon.
Speaker 1: They come to the school recruit one day, They're looking
Speaker 1: for me. I'm at the barber shop. Well, I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to be in class. Of course, coach got to do something.
Speaker 1: You just spent me for the first half of the game.
Speaker 1: I come out like Acarter in the second half what not?
Speaker 1: Of course all dunks um But now yeah, man, So
Speaker 1: it came down to Temple was still there because I
Speaker 1: had no grades and hooks and true story done, Chaney
Speaker 1: guarress is. So they in my house, my sister's apartment
Speaker 1: and pitching temple and they said something about some five
Speaker 1: six am practices dog and I instantly lost entrance. Like
Speaker 1: my niece who just turned third, she was a baby
Speaker 1: at the time. I started playing with her dog like this,
Speaker 1: this is not going there. But I knew I wasn't going.
Speaker 1: I couldn't go to junior college like Dad. I did know,
Speaker 1: like it wasn't because I would have to go somewhere
Speaker 1: in Texas because it's big. It's just too close to Dallas,
Speaker 1: just too close. And Hugs was like, man, we got away,
Speaker 1: Like if you don't get your grade, if you don't
Speaker 1: pass your tests before school start, we still have a
Speaker 1: way for you to be enrolled in school and still
Speaker 1: take your tests. I was like, oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I signed instantly listen, like I sagned before even going
Speaker 1: to visit. He told me that I'm like, so, y'all
Speaker 1: still won't me. I ain't got no girl. He like,
Speaker 1: absolutely were the papers I signed him joined us. I graduated, man,
Speaker 1: and I was assisting that it. Two weeks after I
Speaker 1: graduated high school, bro I was out. I was preparing
Speaker 1: for the test and they had a guy who helped
Speaker 1: Danny get eligible, who helped like certain guys get eligible.
Speaker 1: Like with the test stuff, I'm giving this man helling
Speaker 1: them one on one sessions. Dog listen the Blues, but
Speaker 1: he just he was come pick me up. Dog. Just
Speaker 1: a good abuse daily. But it worked. So school started
Speaker 1: and I took the test right before, like right when
Speaker 1: school I started in September. Well, but shortly after school
Speaker 1: I started. So I can't practice, but I can work out.
Speaker 1: I'm in school, going to class, but I can't practice
Speaker 1: with the team, can't play nothing. Season starts. I get there.
Speaker 1: I'm doing what I'm supposed to. They go to Puerto
Speaker 1: Rico for a tournament. I get the news. I found
Speaker 1: out on my birthday my freshman year that I passed
Speaker 1: the tests. So Bob huggins Man like yeah, cruitment process
Speaker 1: him and John Lawyer who Scott for the Clippers now
Speaker 1: like my guy, like thorough as they come. A lot
Speaker 1: of stuff is going on that Cincinnati. He took the
Speaker 1: he took the the brunt of it for for for
Speaker 1: the university for so shout out to jail. But but
Speaker 1: now with Bob huggins Man like that was he believed
Speaker 1: in me from day one, man, and that's my guy
Speaker 1: throwing through like hugs like he and they wasn't recruiting me.
Speaker 1: When they started recruiting me, they was coming to see
Speaker 1: somebody else. Yeah, guy from y'all, I believe when we
Speaker 1: were playing shake cotton then yeah, but I was looking
Speaker 1: for him. Yeah. I wanted all that huh huh huh
Speaker 1: what did not do? And wanted to fight? What's the
Speaker 1: little guard they had? Kenny Bruner the guard. Absolutely, Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm from old Cliff play that going up whooping that
Speaker 1: high school. Yeah, ship at the Pyramid Beach. But no, no,
Speaker 1: but hugs man, they saw me man, and he like
Speaker 1: he told he told kJ that like listen, like your
Speaker 1: dad played with a certain type of emotions that I
Speaker 1: didn't see how the kids like at the time, Like
Speaker 1: it was just it was different that I didn't see that, amen,
Speaker 1: like like and then like for me to catch catch
Speaker 1: a great hand at a b C D though two
Speaker 1: hours from Dallas to Jersey on the Greyhound at six
Speaker 1: eight on a grey haund for twenty two hours, Bro,
Speaker 1: what did you do the abc D when you got there?
Speaker 1: Earned the flight home? Straight up? Talk the son of
Speaker 1: a Carroll A few weeks about a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: may call him after blue search my number down and man,
Speaker 1: I remember you came there and you like, I ain't
Speaker 1: no nothing else what I'm saying, Like everybody was there.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, Cope was there all the big names
Speaker 1: from our class and there you know I put foot
Speaker 1: to ask, man, I didn't know nothing else. I couldn't dribble,
Speaker 1: couldn't shoot them. They're working on skill work, y'all. Keep
Speaker 1: doing that. Just working for y'all. I'm a ductor absolutely
Speaker 1: block shit, dunk shit, fight ship, listen in that order,
Speaker 1: like that's all it was, bro. And then Hugs Man
Speaker 1: when I got the Sencinnati, man, he just I fit
Speaker 1: him the way he coached, the way I play, and
Speaker 1: he let me be me in every aspect of the word.
Speaker 1: What else did you learned from him outside of basketball
Speaker 1: as a man? Just work ethic, man, like really how
Speaker 1: to work and what matters what I'm saying. Like, So
Speaker 1: when I was in college, so my girlfriend at the time,
Speaker 1: she lived like her mom. She came for money. So
Speaker 1: her mom then lived in the neighborhood right across the
Speaker 1: street from Hugs. So I used to ride home with
Speaker 1: Hugs used to drop me off over our hour so
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time with her dad, so
Speaker 1: he just drive me over there. So I used to
Speaker 1: ride home with him all the time. We're talk. It's
Speaker 1: talk talk, talk, man. So just just about what's important.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, how to how to get through in situation,
Speaker 1: to know where you come from. You made it this far,
Speaker 1: don't let nothing deter you. Like, just just the constant message,
Speaker 1: the constant message, man. So when it was time to
Speaker 1: get to it, like when nothing getting in the way.
Speaker 1: I'm saying so from my from my freshman o man,
Speaker 1: like one of my first few practices, you know, not
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't, but like I put my hands on somebody
Speaker 1: every year Sincinnati Doug. Not surprising at all, just set
Speaker 1: the tone. But yeah, and that's what it was when
Speaker 1: I was a freshman, Like and we had Danny Forston
Speaker 1: on the team at the time, first team All American,
Speaker 1: all this number ten, picking the draft, you know, all
Speaker 1: kinds of jiu jitsu and of that type of business.
Speaker 1: So hugs and then told somebody when I got eligible,
Speaker 1: Like a reporter told me this that he asked Hugs
Speaker 1: about me getting eligible. He said, I just our best
Speaker 1: player just got eligible. Who not then shot thirty or
Speaker 1: four percent from the first line. As a freshman, who
Speaker 1: who the best play here? No, not this one. You
Speaker 1: can't be talking about me though. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but this has coming. Like I just I guess he
Speaker 1: saw it and my my freshman year, like I didn't
Speaker 1: play right away then end up starting towards the end
Speaker 1: of the year and the rest was tooke off after that. Man,
Speaker 1: I just every year, you gotta do this. Okay, you
Speaker 1: need to do this. Okay, you need to work on this. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, So it's grinding. Man. So senior year nineteen
Speaker 1: and ten, nearly four blocks the game AP Player of
Speaker 1: the Year. Um, you end up breaking your ankle. Um.
Speaker 1: How tough was that? Because this is going into the draft.
Speaker 1: He hearing where you're gonna go, what's going on? And
Speaker 1: you end up remember that? Uh yeah, it was so
Speaker 1: us come out there, you know I always get up
Speaker 1: and I didn't get up. He came out there, and
Speaker 1: it was I was just like I looked at my Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I tore the legma my inkle and broke my
Speaker 1: leg mm hmm, and it was just flashed and I
Speaker 1: just was like he came out there, he was looking
Speaker 1: at me. It was. I was just like, man, not now,
Speaker 1: not now. That's all I kept telling him. I didn't
Speaker 1: say nothing else, Man, not now. Man came too far
Speaker 1: for this man, not now, Not right now. Man, It's
Speaker 1: gonna be alright. I'm like, not right now, man, No,
Speaker 1: because where this is where it just had senior day,
Speaker 1: first game of the conference turn. We'll just be St.
Speaker 1: Louis about forty on Senior Day and Cincinnati playing in
Speaker 1: the first round. M hmm, now you have it that
Speaker 1: national championship. But I had put to work in all seasons.
Speaker 1: So but I mean, still, that's gotta drive it out.
Speaker 1: You're hearing you possibly could on number one. What was
Speaker 1: that process like from the day you broke your ankle
Speaker 1: to the day you got drafted number one? Hey, it
Speaker 1: was only like six months right within that long ship.
Speaker 1: I got hurt much June in June, so I didn't
Speaker 1: work out. I couldn't work out. I wasn't like I
Speaker 1: had screws in my ankle. I'm saying none weight bearing.
Speaker 1: I was in a boot on crutches for two months.
Speaker 1: So I didn't do nothing but go to therapy. Why
Speaker 1: everybody was going to meet with teams and do all that,
Speaker 1: and I didn't do none of it. Then when I
Speaker 1: was able to get the boot off and all that,
Speaker 1: it was right, okay, So how is it like, well,
Speaker 1: so we go to Chicago. They're like, well, the screws
Speaker 1: got to come out before we even think about picking them.
Speaker 1: Screws gotta come out of doctors got examining. So so
Speaker 1: we did that, and all these teams trying to so
Speaker 1: we let me there. Everybody ain't from the coming this
Speaker 1: damn room. Ain't no damn guinea pig. What number you got,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna be there whenever we got I ain't go.
Speaker 1: You can't come in the room. You can't come in
Speaker 1: the room. So you do that. But no, it was
Speaker 1: hell man mentally that now I didn't didn't know what,
Speaker 1: didn't know how to deal with it. Man, like they
Speaker 1: ain't never been through that always could hoot, could couldn't,
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything but sit there and wait and wait.
Speaker 1: And here they think about taking this person and isn't
Speaker 1: in that draft who remember the top I was thinking
Speaker 1: about like they were gonna take Dres first. They was
Speaker 1: they the nets are gonna take him first, and they
Speaker 1: weren't thinking about taking Strom my Stromo was second, but
Speaker 1: they were thinking about taking Darres first. So no, there's
Speaker 1: the athletic, but he couldn't hear his ass with both hands.
Speaker 1: Boy couldn't shoot that thing. So they was thinking about
Speaker 1: taking him. And I was in the Orlando. He was
Speaker 1: working out division Land where I was down there together
Speaker 1: said he couldn't hit hiss. So so I watched his
Speaker 1: workout right, and he couldn't shoot that bit at oh.
Speaker 1: So I was like, y'all think about taking him. I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, So Stewart told me so Stu Jackson,
Speaker 1: he was in Vancouver at the time, Jim and Stud
Speaker 1: told me, if the Nets do something stupid but I
Speaker 1: don't take not taking you number one, you won't get
Speaker 1: past us at too, so you're good. So I was like,
Speaker 1: ship all right. So from that point, from that conversation on,
Speaker 1: it was like a relief. Of course I wanted to
Speaker 1: be number one, but him telling me that was a
Speaker 1: side relief, what I'm saying. So coming up to the
Speaker 1: draft all that it was still like they still was
Speaker 1: on the fence. A drafted there like it was still
Speaker 1: on the fence was what they was telling us. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Manlo Jamal Crawford, So you didn't know workout for NO
Speaker 1: teams and sort of so I just sort of a workout.
Speaker 1: Let me hear they wanted to say. They said, we
Speaker 1: need to see if he can run and jump. I
Speaker 1: had been right before the draft, maybe a week before
Speaker 1: the draft. I go to Jersey. I ain't really can't
Speaker 1: really do much, but I had been doing rehab. I
Speaker 1: had been out to booting all that. Doing rehab for
Speaker 1: a little bit wasn't right all the way, but I
Speaker 1: had been running and stuff. Literally I ran down the floor,
Speaker 1: ran back, grabbed the basketball, dunked it, and when it
Speaker 1: took my shoes off. The draft exactly what y'all asked.
Speaker 1: Y'all saw me run, I jumped. What's it? What else
Speaker 1: you want from me? Man? Was everything that I guarantee you,
Speaker 1: the history of NO sport. So they had a decision
Speaker 1: to make and they show you, Yeah, they made it,
Speaker 1: and they shows you it's a guy from Jersey. I
Speaker 1: medicine and told me thank you. I said, I was
Speaker 1: just doing my job. He's in this room the Jersey
Speaker 1: guying there to him. Thank you. So they made the
Speaker 1: right choice and then the wrong choice. So, uh, rookie
Speaker 1: season obviously you're you're coming off this injury, but you're
Speaker 1: ready to play. Now, How was that first year? Jack
Speaker 1: was along with you? That's my guy, man, great for us,
Speaker 1: it was great. Was hooping was in the league, couldn't
Speaker 1: couldn't tell us nothing right Like thinking, then I'm saying, man,
Speaker 1: Jack was in it together. So I think we was.
Speaker 1: We was both averaging. I think at the at the
Speaker 1: rookie mark. So we're going to Rookie All Star Game.
Speaker 1: We was averaging ten points, were at the top of
Speaker 1: the list, and all that ship and uh, I always
Speaker 1: tell a story about I didn't get I didn't get
Speaker 1: the rookie hazing because because of him, they wanted all
Speaker 1: that kicking the ball in the stadium and go get donuts.
Speaker 1: Nothing that ship kmar was not going. And I was
Speaker 1: a kie right there. So if he ain't got to
Speaker 1: do it, I ain't got to do it. Yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: we got to do that. I'll gonna take up that.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna get no donuts. Said I ain't got
Speaker 1: to do it. Y'all gonna take that ship. And I
Speaker 1: just had to mentality, man like, ain't no grown ain't
Speaker 1: no grown man gonna make me do nothing. But they're
Speaker 1: just I can't listen. I wasn't nineteen when I came in.
Speaker 1: I wasn't eighteen when I got drafted. I was twenty
Speaker 1: two strong as an ox ye three percent body fat. Nick.
Speaker 1: I was listening, dog, I'm not doing it. You ain't
Speaker 1: making me. If I want to buy donuts, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do it on my own term. If I want
Speaker 1: to help the manager with the bags, I'm gonna help
Speaker 1: them because I'm out the kind of some of my
Speaker 1: fucking heart. Yeah, no, not at all. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: it was on this team, man, we was ready to
Speaker 1: squaw though, y'all know, and the fight coming, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: from the back back then. I told him to fight
Speaker 1: and a fight come with it, man, like I was
Speaker 1: dead as seriously kindle Gill, like we were really Johnny
Speaker 1: newhim Sherman Douglas uh Lucien. Yeah, it was a dude's
Speaker 1: on the like real vests. But I told me I
Speaker 1: ain't doing Listen, man, I ain't doing nothing. He like
Speaker 1: I ain't. Y'all ain't gonna make him neither write like
Speaker 1: it was. So it was a situation I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: say to that name like It was a situation the
Speaker 1: dude wanted some shoes that Jack had trying to take
Speaker 1: my shoes. When the shower he comes trying to like Jack,
Speaker 1: what's hoping them shoes? Jack like, man, you can have him?
Speaker 1: He like should. I was gonna say, I was gonna
Speaker 1: take him ventioning choice. It ain't he ain't even talking
Speaker 1: to me. I said, Man, you ain't taking ship from
Speaker 1: nobody here, ain't taking from nobody. Take him anyway? You
Speaker 1: gonna eat your core? Was that excit this? I was
Speaker 1: gonna take him anyway, get my safe. Man. Ain't going
Speaker 1: to take ship, not from nobody. Man, nobody going for that.
Speaker 1: Bro Kmart was like it was killer Gill and he
Speaker 1: got a I was Killer Gilk but time out. But
Speaker 1: we both from text, you know, I was started down
Speaker 1: star Kmart was like the real big buff dog and
Speaker 1: he was a little dog running around talking ship with everybody.
Speaker 1: Ain't what it was kind of like that, but I
Speaker 1: was yeah, you know, I'm yeah, just have to He
Speaker 1: was number one pick, so I couldn't talk. My words
Speaker 1: really didn't have to weight, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But once he's saying something, yeah, he said that, man,
Speaker 1: But I would do it because I could do that
Speaker 1: because the way I played the game, the way we
Speaker 1: played game, whatever, whatever I had to do or say,
Speaker 1: let's go in this man, let's get to it like
Speaker 1: no matter what to being done and not doing none
Speaker 1: of that whatever, then let's go hoot man. And we
Speaker 1: had to go to his training, so he was really
Speaker 1: with us too. It was absolutely so. It was now
Speaker 1: it was my first year. I'm badly making the league.
Speaker 1: I just came overseas, going through all this ship, trying
Speaker 1: to get here and not getting mother, trying to devote
Speaker 1: my shoes. I couldn't believe that. Where are we? Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I just I just like I said, I was twenty two.
Speaker 1: I was grown man at the time. You grown man.
Speaker 1: And where I came from. Yah, you ain't going no no, sir,
Speaker 1: I uh old Cliff Brother. I was trying to show
Speaker 1: that side because I'm trying to thine. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: you know what, because like I said, where I came from,
Speaker 1: it out became like hugs, letting me be meet him
Speaker 1: for years Cincinnati, so I never had to have an
Speaker 1: off button. I didn't have an off button that Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Don't listen something the ship I did and did listen
Speaker 1: to up fights and all this wing I got. There
Speaker 1: was no off button, man. So when I got to
Speaker 1: the league, there was still no off button. So after
Speaker 1: looking like Christ, we already know this, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that's what it was, bro Like. Like I said in
Speaker 1: the Bronum, I grew up in and watching the shout
Speaker 1: I saw and by the time I got that, man,
Speaker 1: it was it was acceptable. So stay in your ground, dog.
Speaker 1: I drew a line in the stand a long time ago, man,
Speaker 1: before the gun law, A long time ago man. So
Speaker 1: so after after Ricky Yell and Byrones got you know,
Speaker 1: stopped playing me for some reason. Who knows. Uh you
Speaker 1: know politics politics, Now you know it and now you
Speaker 1: can see it politics, man, and I end up leaving
Speaker 1: Marbarry get traded. J kidding new coming to town. What
Speaker 1: you're thinking? What's your mindset? Honestly, you were happy? I
Speaker 1: know you were happy. Oh it's static. I know I
Speaker 1: was talking to you. Ill do you was a Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I don't was in doubts when J was
Speaker 1: and when he got drafted to the man, he wasn't happen.
Speaker 1: I was gone, No, No, I would happen, my man,
Speaker 1: was going not at all like I want him to
Speaker 1: know with me, because what I'm saying Texas boy were
Speaker 1: thinking thing like we came in like but I listen nothing.
Speaker 1: I remember. I was at the ruck of watching the
Speaker 1: ruck and when I found out what I'm saying, my
Speaker 1: man walked up to me like, Yo, they just trade
Speaker 1: the stuff. I'm like, huh, like all right, Like I didn't.
Speaker 1: He like, no, they just trade the stuff. And I'm
Speaker 1: like for who He like Jay Kidd. I said, huh.
Speaker 1: He said it straight up stuff for Jay Kidd And
Speaker 1: I said let's go, and I got in the car
Speaker 1: left like, oh wow, different ball game out here now
Speaker 1: from day women day one. Put in the arena, he
Speaker 1: just said, Yester, he just had to make sure to
Speaker 1: stay in the arena. That's it. I go, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: put me in some Sich way. I looked bad, Like, dude, really,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna throw He's standing You don't see that
Speaker 1: man standing right in front of me. It's grown ass
Speaker 1: man that's in the NBA, standing right in front of me.
Speaker 1: You're just gonna throw it up to the rim and
Speaker 1: you know where you're gonna, Like, I trust you, it
Speaker 1: was gonna get right it was gonna get trust You're
Speaker 1: gonna come down with it if nothing else. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'll just click on both ends of the floor, man,
Speaker 1: like he just we played a certain way smartest. Hell
Speaker 1: just go. We're everywhere, both ends of the floor. Everywhere.
Speaker 1: You're playing power for the center this time before said
Speaker 1: I wait, nothing, man, You're still stronger strong, But don't
Speaker 1: still like like no like I was. It was still
Speaker 1: them forward was way everybody was. Everybody still bigger than me?
Speaker 1: Like wait, why is everybody's still bigger than me? But no,
Speaker 1: don't matter. So as soon as you get that y'all
Speaker 1: back to back, easy'll run through the East like it
Speaker 1: was nothing. What some of you? But what's some of
Speaker 1: your favorite moments from that time? Because beat Indiana in
Speaker 1: five game series like the first year, like that was
Speaker 1: like that was real, Like that was like real playoff
Speaker 1: basketball against him. Yeah, and Reggie, Like Reggie hit the
Speaker 1: three to go in overtime, we think the clock was expired.
Speaker 1: This is before all the replace you and all that,
Speaker 1: so going overtime that sweeping the Knicks in their listen
Speaker 1: on the floor to oh wow, and I showed my
Speaker 1: whole ass. Oh I destroyed them people that series. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: oh game four in the game four on their home floor,
Speaker 1: thirty six fifteen like five, and then and the next
Speaker 1: goal is really eight and a half nine feet That
Speaker 1: ain't ten feet doing warm ups, see this high note.
Speaker 1: I played in all these arenas, but in warm ups
Speaker 1: in the in the next I'm dunking backwards and what else?
Speaker 1: Ain't none of that going on? The house house it
Speaker 1: like eight and a half about eight and a half ards.
Speaker 1: So you're saying what I was doing was easy? It
Speaker 1: was too easy? Yeah, but that the balance and um oh,
Speaker 1: I'm saying just playing against Boston in the playoffs and
Speaker 1: like we like sweeping them. We were we bought that
Speaker 1: broom out. That's when they had twin to employee number eight.
Speaker 1: Yall was punishing and don't want no part of it. Huh.
Speaker 1: Like two thousand two finals. They came across that midpoint.
Speaker 1: They will happen. They came across the midpoint. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about that. We're gonna get to that. To shock Kobe.
Speaker 1: Um you were you guys run through the east and
Speaker 1: you guys run into them? What was it like? There
Speaker 1: was the one picture I think and that finds where
Speaker 1: Shock was dunking on everybody on the team at one time.
Speaker 1: One video that is one of the best interest in
Speaker 1: sports history, in NBA history though, like steel shots, that's
Speaker 1: one of the best pictures. How tough were they though? Huh?
Speaker 1: How tough for they in their back though, it's but
Speaker 1: you're someone you had to guard. You you're a rare
Speaker 1: person can guard Shack and you had to guard you
Speaker 1: had to guard. Yeah, I was the romer. I was
Speaker 1: the double guy because it fits like, wait, White, I
Speaker 1: can't do knowing that dude. If I did get caught on,
Speaker 1: all that have to do is try to front him,
Speaker 1: and he just pushed me up the lane. They throw
Speaker 1: the impossible to guard. Listen, man, So you pick your poison.
Speaker 1: Do you try to play him straight up? You know
Speaker 1: what he's gonna do? Do you double swing swings? Now
Speaker 1: you got night. Now you got Dad Fisher going four
Speaker 1: for seven, Robert already going too for five, Devin George
Speaker 1: going to for It's just what so then what do
Speaker 1: you do? And then you got the other animal that
Speaker 1: one on one is destroying us. Everybody in the he
Speaker 1: ever Shack averaging thirty six, he averaging twenty six, whatever,
Speaker 1: liked it was impossible. But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I I looked back at it, like I average twenty
Speaker 1: two against him, like me my second years against him,
Speaker 1: Like I posted on like somebody's like the number of
Speaker 1: points of East series. Somebody posted it was one of
Speaker 1: the apps. Seen that thing? You were up there, that's
Speaker 1: right to remember, third on the list. Of course you
Speaker 1: had Shock, Shock and cove Co. And what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: so I ever finals my second year like game four
Speaker 1: and our home flowing like, man, we ain't getting swept
Speaker 1: like that, Like I'm not going home tonight, like we're
Speaker 1: going back to l A. You went home, that went
Speaker 1: home that night. It happens though we had seventeen in
Speaker 1: the first thirty five for the game. No, but what
Speaker 1: respect it was. It was a different animal. It was
Speaker 1: just no, no machine, nothing you could put in front
Speaker 1: of Shock and Cobe. Around that time, it was it
Speaker 1: was nothing. You could do nothing. And then the next
Speaker 1: year that running these fellas came on down. Let's say
Speaker 1: in the Texas boy, oh spur boy, they ass got lucky.
Speaker 1: We split the first two games on eight floor. No,
Speaker 1: we were scared, y'all should have been. I told ja
Speaker 1: ja kid was busting our ask we split if we
Speaker 1: go home and get to because it was the two
Speaker 1: three two six, they got home floor if we go
Speaker 1: boy listen, No, but Timmy was probably he took one.
Speaker 1: He went to uh and took one in Jersey A
Speaker 1: boy him damnself. Some of the numbers he put up
Speaker 1: in that series. Dog Yeah and my Tumbo were talking
Speaker 1: about don't double. All right, they stopped doubling. This is
Speaker 1: why they doubling My Tumbo? Hi, Hi, how you want it?
Speaker 1: Hook crossover, fade away off the glass like Umbo, don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they need to come you can have it your away
Speaker 1: playing bro and blocking everything. He played offside on me
Speaker 1: and on the ball on me like now. He did
Speaker 1: his thing and they had to double. Yeoh what happened
Speaker 1: this one? That's that swing? Swing? What's that doing? That game?
Speaker 1: No serious, I'm saying it went six and I'm saying
Speaker 1: it went six. He they played, well, yeah, we have
Speaker 1: to make a sense, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: I didn't listen. But one now, but one thing for show.
Speaker 1: Two things for certain. When Employees six was gardening, there
Speaker 1: was no double teams. No, it wasn't a double tim
Speaker 1: I'm saying, right, he might have scored it all. He
Speaker 1: did his thing, but you can go ask that man
Speaker 1: to date did he have to work for each in
Speaker 1: every one of them. I'm saying, like I figured out
Speaker 1: how to guard people because having to guard him, he's
Speaker 1: a problem. Where to meet him and forced him to
Speaker 1: where I want him to go instead of letting him
Speaker 1: walking me straight down the lane and catching the ball
Speaker 1: where he wanted to and not letting him shoot the
Speaker 1: like he never shot that bank shot on me. Ever,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't allow. Yeah, I'm a crowding what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So therefore I'm gonna take something away. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to do something else, like that's the way you can go.
Speaker 1: You gotta make him do something else. So therefore, now
Speaker 1: you like shout out to him and what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: he made me better, made me back in that series.
Speaker 1: Though he welcomed the double team, he waited on it.
Speaker 1: He waited. Yeah, no, no, he he made me a
Speaker 1: better basketball playing a better defender. Him and a couple
Speaker 1: of guys, but him was definitely So we was hearing
Speaker 1: the same things, and men he was together them after
Speaker 1: every game, so we was hearing the same things about
Speaker 1: Jay Kidd possibly coming in San Antonio. What was you
Speaker 1: thinking about that when you was hearing that too? I
Speaker 1: adn't think none of it, to be honest what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I know they had tone and all that. I was
Speaker 1: just I didn't if you were the winning you to win,
Speaker 1: I was hoping it was getting rid of Yeah, like
Speaker 1: if he would win you to win, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, like I would have changed everything. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, of course, but but history has
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He stayed, then they got
Speaker 1: rid of me, so HM would pay me so and
Speaker 1: didn't work. Yeah, I say, they don't want to pay
Speaker 1: me so they had they made some bad moves. You
Speaker 1: make the All Star Game in two thousand four, uh,
Speaker 1: and then we're traded. What was that process of making
Speaker 1: the All Star team? Like, after all that hard work
Speaker 1: and then you're off to Denver. Honestly, I thought I
Speaker 1: should have made it the year before, But so make it.
Speaker 1: I got my I'm a point guard and All Star
Speaker 1: game with me rocking my all start now. So the
Speaker 1: year going into my fourth year, they offered me six
Speaker 1: years for sixty six great money, more money if I've
Speaker 1: ever seen but power forwards. At the time, I always
Speaker 1: started all that, it was get like eighty. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: it was like eighty four something like. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking I'm at least around eighty. So I turned it down.
Speaker 1: So I go into my fourth year. I make the
Speaker 1: All Star team. So now the price go up. I
Speaker 1: need to see them. I need to see that, not
Speaker 1: the price go up. So we lose the Detroit Detroit
Speaker 1: going to win and oh four, free agency start in
Speaker 1: two I'm still waiting on the phone called from the
Speaker 1: nets to offer me a contract. Yeah no, So I
Speaker 1: called J Kid like yo, man, Like I waited free
Speaker 1: agent to start. Everybody else making moves all that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I ain't got no we call it. Ain't nobody picking up.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I called J Kid, like yo, man, I
Speaker 1: ain't ain't heard nothing, like you know what's going on.
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, I love you, but go get your money.
Speaker 1: M hm, that's not but I was expecting to here.
Speaker 1: But okay, So Denver, I was a few teams. I
Speaker 1: went to visit Atlanta Denver. I was on my way
Speaker 1: to Utah. They I was just going to you. I
Speaker 1: didn't think I was going to Utah. They had just
Speaker 1: signed Carlos Booze and they gave him the sixty six
Speaker 1: that I had turned down from them, so that's what
Speaker 1: they paid him. It was between Atlanta and Denver, and
Speaker 1: Denver had the highest, probably had the biggest number. So
Speaker 1: I listened. So when I it was like, you can
Speaker 1: do a sign and trade and get something back for him,
Speaker 1: or you can lose him for nothing. I go to
Speaker 1: Denver man, Oh yeah it was yeah, it was nice.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was. It was it you link up
Speaker 1: a young mellow, second year, mellow broker, playman like just
Speaker 1: so the year before I go, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: our guard him alone, so you know, of course I
Speaker 1: do what I do here rookie. So I'm I'm making
Speaker 1: it no who absolutely so now we So that's a
Speaker 1: saw him. He knew I was afraid. He saw him
Speaker 1: an all start. He was like, what you're gonna do
Speaker 1: next year out so he kind of put the book.
Speaker 1: I just after the season and it happened. So I
Speaker 1: go out there that just made the playoffs and here
Speaker 1: rookie and make the playoffs. Come going to another playoff
Speaker 1: team in the West No, it was it was dope
Speaker 1: man saying the board development. He was still a kid,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, saying the development he was very very talented
Speaker 1: man score right. Yeah, So like I I told somebody
Speaker 1: this and somebody that was like, wow, I never thought
Speaker 1: about that. I could have came to Denver when my
Speaker 1: chest poked out and demand at the ball, and like
Speaker 1: it didn't happen because they who I am as a
Speaker 1: basketball player, Like if I could have probably stunted some
Speaker 1: of Melow's growth if I wanted to, if I was
Speaker 1: selfish basketball player, I could have came in demanded the
Speaker 1: ball from day one. I need this many touches, I
Speaker 1: need this no matter what's going on, I don't give
Speaker 1: I could have easily did that what I'm saying, but
Speaker 1: I let him be him, Like I didn't need the
Speaker 1: ball for me to be me. I'm saying that ain't
Speaker 1: never who I was, Like I don't need to score
Speaker 1: a right that I'm gonna score it throughout the course
Speaker 1: of just how I played the game, saying so now
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the way he could split that ball
Speaker 1: in that basket, man effortlessly was and his work ethic
Speaker 1: man like he's like Jim Rack like always no matter
Speaker 1: what it was, and he always working on their craft. Man.
Speaker 1: So shout out to younger two thou nine gets to
Speaker 1: be too seed with mellow j Chauncey. I was that
Speaker 1: playing with them boys, linking up with them nine. That
Speaker 1: was dope, man, that was coming. Like of course I'm
Speaker 1: saying that was right after we had Chuck. What I'm saying,
Speaker 1: of course, I hate to see Chuck go. You know
Speaker 1: how we feel about Chuck. What I'm saying. So, but
Speaker 1: we trail with some Chauncey come in and Chauncey was
Speaker 1: like a side relief, securative blanket because of who we
Speaker 1: had as a handicap as a coach. I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: so Chauncey like didn't let him suck it up, basically
Speaker 1: like I got this, So Chauncey new time score. Who
Speaker 1: need to do? What a right? He got everybody involved. First,
Speaker 1: of course, no go get his touches throughout the game.
Speaker 1: But that thing moving because big shot I gotta get his.
Speaker 1: But he making sure everybody else is getting there throughout
Speaker 1: the first three quarters. Of course he's gonna run something
Speaker 1: mellow and all that. But and then in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarters like fifteen you take us home. So that was
Speaker 1: dope for him to be that And I'm saying to
Speaker 1: be that vocal in too and to run the show.
Speaker 1: And that's what was the difference, man, Like having him
Speaker 1: there and we were talented, like there was no doubt
Speaker 1: in our mind many going to Denver. Yeah, because you
Speaker 1: have to play these altitude Hey, we would beat the
Speaker 1: ship out of y'all with the finals. When y'all played
Speaker 1: the Lakers, we knew we were gonna dog y'all. Hut Man, listen,
Speaker 1: bro but throw the ball away because we hand out
Speaker 1: of bounds plays when a zipper mellow up, they take
Speaker 1: it away. We throw the ball away twice against the Lakers,
Speaker 1: and the rest is here, so we lose. They I
Speaker 1: was at the next year when we lost the Boston
Speaker 1: in the Eastern That was when they still that team.
Speaker 1: The Orlando team came next year, so you weren't knowing
Speaker 1: that next year. Had me to put you in harms
Speaker 1: away my bad by the party, hard, talk about hard,
Speaker 1: fallet each other come times would have been good. No, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: we was good and Denver Man, that squad was young,
Speaker 1: and we like Chauncey, made us yeah, what I'm saying
Speaker 1: what we needed to be And people think I'm crazy,
Speaker 1: but what No, But but people don't know. But for
Speaker 1: the statement I'm about to make, for the statement I'm
Speaker 1: about to make. If they just trade Mellow to New York, right,
Speaker 1: and don't we take a couple of pieces back, But
Speaker 1: don't whatever we do and we keep Chauncey in Denver
Speaker 1: with him being away and what we had, I think
Speaker 1: we still could have did something. What I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: when they traded chances with Meller and I was pissed,
Speaker 1: I was hot, I checked out to check out. Man, whatever, Man,
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to win, Like, no disrespect the Raymond
Speaker 1: Felt and Gallinari and Wilson, Chad, y'all cool, But I
Speaker 1: need big shot. What I'm saying, like, yeah, I would
Speaker 1: live it, you know what I mean. I'm not working out.
Speaker 1: What time do you need me? What're tying the bus?
Speaker 1: All right? What're tying the game? All right? I'll be there,
Speaker 1: I'll be there. I wouldn't. Man, know, I ain't trying
Speaker 1: to win, man, I'm so losing. Fifteen years, two finals
Speaker 1: appearances in All Star? When did you know it was time?
Speaker 1: The phone start bringing I want to be walking. I
Speaker 1: got cut signing ten days like walking just ain't for
Speaker 1: the brothers I had. I would have stayed to play basketball.
Speaker 1: I would I went to China for three months to
Speaker 1: play basketball during the lockout, Like I don't want to
Speaker 1: who I'm saying, I would have stayed out there. I
Speaker 1: want to play on a hoop dog through and through
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I offered to play on the Sun
Speaker 1: in the Summer League. We're in the summ League now,
Speaker 1: were talking about something fifteen years in. I offered to
Speaker 1: play on the summer League, all to show people I
Speaker 1: can still play bro Yeah, I still wanted and the
Speaker 1: person who I asked told me couldn't do it and
Speaker 1: was in position to do it. All they had to
Speaker 1: do was say, okay, but I don't want to go
Speaker 1: calling nobody out. And I'm not gonna lie be scared.
Speaker 1: If I seen you or somemer, they just as a
Speaker 1: fan with you would have been doing some young kids.
Speaker 1: They might have took you to jail. I might be
Speaker 1: punking him. I can't imagine what you would be doing.
Speaker 1: Like I just trying to hoop, like it wasn't about
Speaker 1: nothing else at that point what I'm saying, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: just the way you go by doing, just play a
Speaker 1: certain way. Man. I just ain't never had to play
Speaker 1: a different way. I'm saying, that's all we know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I ain't never had to play any other way than
Speaker 1: the way I came up doing. And it worked, and
Speaker 1: it worked well to the point where dude, I come
Speaker 1: from that. I remember we be in the room chill,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm just thinking still with number one,
Speaker 1: crazy right, unbelievable right before the draft. Still, yeah, like
Speaker 1: I said, man, I looked hard work right in the face. Man.
Speaker 1: And when dude, I told somebody this, you knew of
Speaker 1: whatever you knew to put your name in the draft
Speaker 1: right in NT If somebody would have whispered in my
Speaker 1: ear but your name in the draft, I would have
Speaker 1: did it if they weren't doing it at that time though, really,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't. I had no inclination though on that
Speaker 1: that was a possibility. I'm saying. Then I said, you
Speaker 1: do it. I'm like, I could have, but Lord knows
Speaker 1: where I would have ended up. I'm saying, because like
Speaker 1: I do, I couldn't. No skill set, no no crazy athlete,
Speaker 1: super all it was going to the black Top. You plus,
Speaker 1: who are you going with? Big fella shot? Yeah? Of
Speaker 1: course Shack was the motherfuckingmus man, you know. Black. His
Speaker 1: mama name me Wardle, So I'm gonna call him war there. Yeah, Wardle,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let me Wardal Okay, chef war the absolutely
Speaker 1: huh Mike saying, I put I play yea else? Who
Speaker 1: um this nigger team? Oh yeah, dog, one of somebody
Speaker 1: you'll get shot on the black Top. That's cheating, bro.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get Jodan shock and stuff on the black Top.
Speaker 1: And you want me to take something to take somebody
Speaker 1: somebody off. I'm just saying one somebody gonna get that.
Speaker 1: Somebody won't get whip because all let niggers can't fight,
Speaker 1: I know, but you can't beat up everybody down. You
Speaker 1: gonna try Roscoe who your you hear what he just said?
Speaker 1: Just all the smoke, all of it. Uh uh. I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan of Clay Thompson. Man. Yeah, bring Clay
Speaker 1: with you. So just a couple of light skin guys man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hard out of her for subtimes. We got still together.
Speaker 1: A couple of few light skin guys man and guys
Speaker 1: and two and two certified animals. I'm talking about. We
Speaker 1: gotta gotta have some contrasts in that time. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, nice swirld like like, we gotta like
Speaker 1: we gotta have some contrasts in that thing. Extra lighting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but let's call him black Mike for a reason. Give
Speaker 1: me war there All Day Off ain't tough album you
Speaker 1: can listen to with no skips. Scar Face the Diary,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he knows what it is in here? What
Speaker 1: is that scar face? Oh yeah, diary? Come on, please,
Speaker 1: no skills? Uh. Give me some advice that you would
Speaker 1: tell your younger self. I mean, like, let me, I
Speaker 1: got to change the question for him. Give me some
Speaker 1: advice from someone else that you would tell your younger self,
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't want you to tell your younger self
Speaker 1: all your older self nothing. Somebody else. Have to give
Speaker 1: your younger self advice. What would it be? Not from you?
Speaker 1: Not from you know? That's crazy on crazy. Probably listen more,
Speaker 1: listen more, you know what? Not out of ten people
Speaker 1: that said that, we asked questions say the same question
Speaker 1: said yesterday, kids, probably listen more. I'm yeah, Stacks said
Speaker 1: it too. Yeah, probably listen more. A man I think
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Speaker 1: nice contrast, Dave Chappelle and Marl Luther King. Man, that's
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