1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome 3 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: back to All the Smoke here in the Legend Suite 4 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: at the Wind Hotel. Jack him up, broke you good 5 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: man having a good time. He's got cleaned up. Ye 6 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: bade chis Now you hit them with the sophistication today 7 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: with the glasses. I see. Yeah, I'm trying to and 8 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: I'm trying to teach these junks and something. Y'all want 9 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: to go always bottom in the spencer shades and y'all 10 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: really be looking like y'all got on blue blockers, go 11 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: right there, the ray bands, hunted ray bands to plug 12 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: hunted dollars. You'll be flies hills. Okay, I guess yeah, 13 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: don't put on don't put on the blue blocking stuff. Okay, 14 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: I guess that's what it is that you want to interduce. Yesterday. Yeah, 15 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: my mother sucking dog and had a shot already today. 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: So you're gonna really love all the smoke today because 17 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: it's going down h for Jenia birthday, my brother rookie year. 18 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: Two guys from Texas same Saul uh he saved me 19 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: my rookie year. My brother Kenyan Martin. Okay, motherfucking Mark 20 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: broad boy, straight jacket crazy. You know what it is? Yeah, Okay, up, 21 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: what's up, bro? How's how's life these days? What's going 22 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: on on a day to day for you? Right now? 23 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: Life is good? Man, Life is good, father, the first 24 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: and foremost, I'm saying, faking life out in that manner. Um, 25 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: I got a few business eventually working on manum and 26 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: my wife brainstorming. Yeah, just staying out the way, man, 27 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: just trying to figure it out. And I'm happy, man, 28 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: good places. You already living in his dream, already your 29 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: son in the league. Yeah, that's that's I'm watching him grow. 30 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: Why it's development. That's great man, you know it's it's 31 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: like it's one of those things where you like I've 32 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: been seeing it and now everybody else getting to see it, 33 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 1: like what I've been telling him and telling the world. 34 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: Man like that boy can go like and and and 35 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: he shooting the laces off that thing. So it's not 36 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: and he here's what it takes man to be special, 37 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: and he wants it. And where they're giving their money 38 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: out now listen, Jack, hey, man, get to it. It's 39 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: been dope to see it. Though, because you know, I 40 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: used to come check his games out when he's in 41 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: high school just to keep the development just keeps happening 42 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: so fast. It's beautiful to see what he's doing. Stand 43 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: in the lab man, like listening, Stand in that lab man, 44 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: listening man, head down, blinders on what's in front of you, man. 45 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: And I think that's hard for some kids to do 46 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: today because there's so much given to him at an 47 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,119 Speaker 1: early age. We got you know, m Now we got 48 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: kids are getting money all over the place right now. 49 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: So to be able to stay focused on what got you, 50 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: I think kids lose vision of the reason why all 51 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: this other shing around him is happening. You gotta make 52 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: sure you stay fresh at what got you all this 53 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 1: ship instead of doing that and then having basketball be second. Yeah, 54 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: that's why they got guys like us as fathers and 55 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know what I'm saying, They need that. 56 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: You need that honesty because they're getting a lot of 57 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: bullshit from a lot of places. What I'm saying, they 58 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: feed them a lot of bullshit and tell them they're 59 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: better than they are. You know what I'm saying, You 60 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: gotta bring him that down to earth. I'm saying, just 61 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: being honest with him. Favorite part about fatherhood obviously that's 62 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: Junior is not your only one. Yeah, it's six of them. 63 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: He's the oldest. So favorite thing about fathers just watching 64 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: them grow, man, and being able to put what I 65 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: didn't have into them. I'm saying what I would have wanted, 66 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: and the father I'm saying to be there. What I'm saying, 67 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: so always be present, to be there and what I'm saying, 68 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: to be able to laugh and joke and knowing somebody 69 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: got in my back no matter what what I'm saying. 70 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: So you're just watching their development. Man, It's it's all 71 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: over the place. Um, you know, my seventeen year old 72 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: cameraon stretching out now, so he's starting to show signs 73 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: that he wanted so trying to get in the fall 74 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: in love with the game. Now, I'm saying. My nineteen 75 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: year old, my daughter, she's in college, um doing her thing, 76 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: um fashion stuff. Man. So they they're growing. Man. Got 77 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: the young ones I'm saying, just watching them grow and 78 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: oh yeah, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, they 79 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: got the older ones are leaning on and what I'm 80 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: saying that we got built in babysitter. So up get 81 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: to the we got six kids on the thirteen, the 82 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: twins or thirteen. So they're just getting to the point 83 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: now where they can kind of watch over the whole tribe. 84 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: That's a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. 85 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: Being able to have that and trust them. You know 86 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like now we like that's that's dope. 87 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: But I'm say they're responsible. I'm the oldest woman smunking. 88 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: They know. You know, Dad, they don't play the radio 89 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: when they come to certain things. You know, when they 90 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: come to a certain things. I let them be kids. 91 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: I let them. I'm saying, they got to give them 92 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: the world. But you know, I just I just demand 93 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: that they respect and I respect and I'm saying, just 94 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: do things the right way. Man. So that's that's didn't 95 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: us yet. Man. But I'm I'm ecstatic about him. Man, 96 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Yeah, you know what I'm saying, y'all great 97 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: fathers as well. Man, y'all know, y'all know what it's like. Yeah, 98 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm he was born but Dallas and I'm talking about us. 99 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I'm talking about talk about 100 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: your childhood you know, and of course we gotta talk 101 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: about moms. How I feel about your mama, like my 102 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: mom too soon talk about just being in Dallas, man, 103 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: growing up in the projects, since all we knew, like 104 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: we I never owned a car growing up, and to 105 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: catch the bus to go to grocery stores and do 106 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: a lot of things. So um, they said, no Dad, 107 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: damn me and my older sister. But Mom tried. You 108 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, she did with you had to do. 109 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying things things were rough for 110 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. You know. We we grew 111 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: up in the era where certain things, people die within 112 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: certain things, and de real the whole, the whole situation. Man. 113 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, so we failed victim of that. But now 114 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: we I'm saying, we are stuck by no matter what 115 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, no matter what was going on, that 116 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: was my lady, what I'm saying, So for me to 117 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: be able to provide for her, to have things and 118 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: do things for her. When I got drafted, man, that 119 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: was like yeah, absolutely man, Like people asked me, like 120 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: the best time I had an NBA, I said, draft day, 121 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: Like why, like be able to take care of Lydia 122 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: like be able to give her things she ain't never had, man, 123 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: but now it was it was dope, man, just to 124 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: go back now and see where I come from, Like 125 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: what what what I survived like that, Like a lot 126 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: of people didn't still there, but yeah, you know what 127 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I was having a conversation with a 128 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: gentleman yesterday in a lot of hotel He just yeah, 129 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: like like, so, how did you make it out? I 130 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: was like for when I'm blessed, gifted and all that, 131 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: but like how it worked, man, noticing what was important 132 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: what wasn't. Like I was mischievous as a kid, but 133 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: I didn't cross the line of getting locked up because 134 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: I was seeing it was taking an ass away, like absolutely, yeah. Yeah, 135 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: I used to listen, hey, don't get don't get it. 136 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: Don't get it. Twice I did. Yes, I did a 137 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: couple of things that probably could have done. They could 138 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: have locked my little lass up if they wanted to. 139 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: But by the good grace of God. And I'm saying 140 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: literally and acted a damn food on the scenes or 141 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: they like you know what, she gonna wear his ass out, 142 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: so listen, he gonna learn his lesson from this one. 143 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: But now I'm just seeing like I had partners. Man, 144 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: They're disappeared for six, seven, eight, nine months at a time. 145 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, where are you being. They're like juvenile, 146 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: Like is juven there? Like jail? Whoa because you twelve? 147 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: You was in jail? Oh hell no. So they like 148 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: kept me like you know what, I'm not so certain 149 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: things like my partners stealing cars, selling dopey all that 150 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: I beat there And when they get ready to that, 151 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: I like, I go this way, like we're out, we're 152 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: walking around the neighborhood and all that one partner, I'm 153 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: still that car. I said, y'all have fun. I'm gonna 154 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: walk the rest of the world. I'm not getting in 155 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: that car with y'all. Man, I'm saying that they doing 156 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: their thing. They written renting the dopehing car for then 157 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, can You're not getting in that car, 158 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: y'all when they nobody got no license in the car 159 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: like fourteen, Like no, I'm not doing so now. It 160 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: was situations man that I avoid it. Man, And by 161 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: the good grace of God, I like had hooped to 162 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: turn to and other sports man and my sister them 163 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: was on me. But no, it was. It wasn't from 164 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: the environment that that that it could have went left 165 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: like and in an instant what I'm saying because I 166 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: was in it. I was in it, man, but I 167 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: was looked up got the A U team. Did you 168 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: play any other sports? Football on the baseball? Would you nice? 169 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: I was a football defensive and tight end I saw 170 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: in high school when my sophomore year, I was six 171 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: six and like four sixty. Everything everything hit everything but 172 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: listen though, so when listen YoY. We in practice one 173 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: day though, right, so I grew up with my partner, 174 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: Drawers within you couldn't tell me Drawers wasn't going to 175 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: the NFL either as a linebacker or running back one 176 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: or the two. So We're in practice one day doing 177 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: dummy what I'm saying. So so second he did nobody 178 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: want to run the ball? My nutass? I run it 179 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: back then though, we had the little shields, so people 180 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: want door the shields, but we didn't have like the 181 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: things like the clamp of shields on. So you just 182 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: put it up in your face, masks who are not 183 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: to go listen, my nut at like run the ball, man. 184 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: It's like everybody just got out the way he hit 185 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: me so hard, dog fucking shield went for I was like, 186 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, you know what it was my actually 187 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: playing football to be honestly my sophomore year. But now 188 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: I mean I was, yeah, I was. I was rough. 189 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I didn't mind contact. Like 190 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: as y'all know, the way I played the game man 191 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 1: so and baseball first basing on picture a dad was 192 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: playing picture a little bit um. I asked Hugs when 193 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: I was sitting that if I could play baseball. He 194 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: told me no, Like now you had a hoop dog 195 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: like you come straight on this. Yeah, you know you'll 196 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: be just just do this. Yeah, that's what it was though, 197 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: so doing e see like during baseball season, we always 198 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: had the gym to go to. Doing football season, we 199 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: had the gym to go to. So basketball was always staple. 200 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: I always ad you watching uh the bad Boy Pistons. Absolutely, yeah, 201 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: just sending me everything Pistons man like that was you 202 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: know me being born and sagging all. You know, that 203 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: was there, you know what I'm saying. Like she's a 204 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: die hard to date sports fan, like that's she lay 205 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: the landboards. No, she she understood what it was man 206 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: like you played the way I'm saying, you played the 207 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: way I played the game, man, and she loved that style, 208 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So she's to this day 209 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: like that's all she do. She lay in her bed 210 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: and it stays on either games or Sports Center and 211 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: she does cross road puzzles like that's that's her. I'm saying, Yeah, 212 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So she eight three, So 213 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: you know that's all she do. Man, Like she's sitting 214 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: there and but she's she used to send me everything pistons, 215 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: So everybody else was the bulls fan. Um I was 216 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: basically like Mike bad. But Mike like, I'm over here 217 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: with Zeke now and peep, So y'all like stories, get 218 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: your story about my pistons. How wide I am? Right 219 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: my second year, we're playing Utah, y'all, remember Carl Malone 220 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 1: elbowed Isaiah Thompson split it open. Yeah, remember that z 221 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: was leaking right way before he was way before I 222 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: was ever in the league and never thought I was 223 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: gonna be in the in the in the NBA to 224 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: begin with, But I remember he had him leaking. Right 225 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: We're playing Utah, were in Jersey on the break John 226 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: Stock and dropped that thing off to him. I go 227 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: right upside carm going on fucking head boom, lay him out, 228 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: and he didn't get up and do nothing. I was like, oh, 229 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: these motherfucker's sofa here like in Jared Stone guy risked 230 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: that man, so oh you motherfucker, I kick kill And 231 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: I was like, he tried to take up for him, 232 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: like Car and Car didn't do nothing. I was like, 233 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: but that was physique, you know what I'm saying, way later, 234 00:12:54,200 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: wired from old cliff Man, like listen off bro like 235 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: and that started that started what it like nuts way 236 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: back there. See, I told you that it had nothing 237 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 1: to do with him, nothing, And I told us the 238 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: other story way after the like when it happened, like 239 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: what I did do do you think but the pistons 240 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: and all that? Does that? Did that influence your the 241 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: way you play? Absolutely? And in my environment that I 242 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: grew up in, it was that, Like I'm seeing dudes 243 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: fight over travel calls and get back to playing dog 244 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: a double drip whatever. It was a game point. Listen, 245 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: this is my environment and that's and I'm seeing this 246 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: the way they play. Oh yeah that's acceptable, Yeah, yes, 247 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: that's acceptable. They're at the highest level doing it. So 248 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: when I'm doing in high school, dude, some of the 249 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: ship that I did, Bro, I know, you nuts, man, nuts. 250 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: I think about it. Dog, if I one of my 251 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: boys do that. Listen, Man, I'm gonna take in buy 252 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,599 Speaker 1: the game and I'm going in the bathroom, dog and 253 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm hand to him like he grown something s I 254 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: did in high school. You know, I think about it, man, 255 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: something I was whoa therapy therapy because I think about it, man, 256 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: Like I'd be sitting up telling about like she she 257 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: asked me, like, did you ever used the box? She like, 258 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: like you give me like that you fight? I say, 259 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: I probably should have, Like but no, man, just some 260 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: of the stuff I think Backman, I'm like some was yeah, 261 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: just environment dogs didn't watching them dudes go upside people 262 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: head man, That's why men. Rick got along so well 263 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: when the Big Three started, like I was, but from 264 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: just playing and all that, soon he got around each other. 265 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: It was like this my guy like yeah, like and 266 00:14:53,680 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: I told it like my you know, so he tried 267 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: to trade for me when I was with the Nuggets. Man, 268 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: they wouldn't do it. Where was he in New York? 269 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: This is before the mellow thing, all that way, before 270 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: that went down, before he went there, Like Zeke was 271 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: trying to get it done. I told him what I did. 272 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: I saw him on vacation. Someone on vacation. I saw him, 273 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: and I ran it down for him. Recruiting process, you 274 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: end up going to Cincinnati. Who else was on your 275 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: list for college? Should everybody? At first? And no grades? 276 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: What I'm saying, like, you couldn't tell me I wasn't 277 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: going to Kentucky. Who was there? Who was there at 278 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: the time was just Rippetino, man, Like I want to 279 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: play Riptino content. I wasn't going to Kentucky. Typical Kenyon. 280 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: They come to the school recruit one day, They're looking 281 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: for me. I'm at the barber shop. Well, I'm supposed 282 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: to be in class. Of course, coach got to do something. 283 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: You just spent me for the first half of the game. 284 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: I come out like Acarter in the second half what not? 285 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: Of course all dunks um But now yeah, man, So 286 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: it came down to Temple was still there because I 287 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: had no grades and hooks and true story done, Chaney 288 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: guarress is. So they in my house, my sister's apartment 289 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: and pitching temple and they said something about some five 290 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: six am practices dog and I instantly lost entrance. Like 291 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: my niece who just turned third, she was a baby 292 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: at the time. I started playing with her dog like this, 293 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: this is not going there. But I knew I wasn't going. 294 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't go to junior college like Dad. I did know, 295 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: like it wasn't because I would have to go somewhere 296 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: in Texas because it's big. It's just too close to Dallas, 297 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: just too close. And Hugs was like, man, we got away, 298 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: Like if you don't get your grade, if you don't 299 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: pass your tests before school start, we still have a 300 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: way for you to be enrolled in school and still 301 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: take your tests. I was like, oh, I didn't know that. 302 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 1: I signed instantly listen, like I sagned before even going 303 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: to visit. He told me that I'm like, so, y'all 304 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: still won't me. I ain't got no girl. He like, 305 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: absolutely were the papers I signed him joined us. I graduated, man, 306 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: and I was assisting that it. Two weeks after I 307 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: graduated high school, bro I was out. I was preparing 308 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: for the test and they had a guy who helped 309 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: Danny get eligible, who helped like certain guys get eligible. 310 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: Like with the test stuff, I'm giving this man helling 311 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: them one on one sessions. Dog listen the Blues, but 312 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: he just he was come pick me up. Dog. Just 313 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: a good abuse daily. But it worked. So school started 314 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: and I took the test right before, like right when 315 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: school I started in September. Well, but shortly after school 316 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: I started. So I can't practice, but I can work out. 317 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm in school, going to class, but I can't practice 318 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: with the team, can't play nothing. Season starts. I get there. 319 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: I'm doing what I'm supposed to. They go to Puerto 320 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: Rico for a tournament. I get the news. I found 321 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: out on my birthday my freshman year that I passed 322 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: the tests. So Bob huggins Man like yeah, cruitment process 323 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: him and John Lawyer who Scott for the Clippers now 324 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: like my guy, like thorough as they come. A lot 325 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: of stuff is going on that Cincinnati. He took the 326 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: he took the the brunt of it for for for 327 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: the university for so shout out to jail. But but 328 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: now with Bob huggins Man like that was he believed 329 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: in me from day one, man, and that's my guy 330 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: throwing through like hugs like he and they wasn't recruiting me. 331 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: When they started recruiting me, they was coming to see 332 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: somebody else. Yeah, guy from y'all, I believe when we 333 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: were playing shake cotton then yeah, but I was looking 334 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: for him. Yeah. I wanted all that huh huh huh 335 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: what did not do? And wanted to fight? What's the 336 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 1: little guard they had? Kenny Bruner the guard. Absolutely, Yes, 337 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: I'm from old Cliff play that going up whooping that 338 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: high school. Yeah, ship at the Pyramid Beach. But no, no, 339 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: but hugs man, they saw me man, and he like 340 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: he told he told kJ that like listen, like your 341 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: dad played with a certain type of emotions that I 342 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: didn't see how the kids like at the time, Like 343 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: it was just it was different that I didn't see that, amen, 344 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: like like and then like for me to catch catch 345 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: a great hand at a b C D though two 346 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: hours from Dallas to Jersey on the Greyhound at six 347 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: eight on a grey haund for twenty two hours, Bro, 348 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: what did you do the abc D when you got there? 349 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: Earned the flight home? Straight up? Talk the son of 350 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: a Carroll A few weeks about a couple of years ago, 351 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: may call him after blue search my number down and man, 352 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: I remember you came there and you like, I ain't 353 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: no nothing else what I'm saying, Like everybody was there. 354 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: What I'm saying, Cope was there all the big names 355 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: from our class and there you know I put foot 356 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: to ask, man, I didn't know nothing else. I couldn't dribble, 357 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: couldn't shoot them. They're working on skill work, y'all. Keep 358 00:20:51,440 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: doing that. Just working for y'all. I'm a ductor absolutely 359 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: block shit, dunk shit, fight ship, listen in that order, 360 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: like that's all it was, bro. And then Hugs Man 361 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: when I got the Sencinnati, man, he just I fit 362 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: him the way he coached, the way I play, and 363 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: he let me be me in every aspect of the word. 364 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: What else did you learned from him outside of basketball 365 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: as a man? Just work ethic, man, like really how 366 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: to work and what matters what I'm saying. Like, So 367 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: when I was in college, so my girlfriend at the time, 368 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: she lived like her mom. She came for money. So 369 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: her mom then lived in the neighborhood right across the 370 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: street from Hugs. So I used to ride home with 371 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: Hugs used to drop me off over our hour so 372 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time with her dad, so 373 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: he just drive me over there. So I used to 374 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: ride home with him all the time. We're talk. It's 375 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: talk talk, talk, man. So just just about what's important. 376 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: What I'm saying, how to how to get through in situation, 377 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: to know where you come from. You made it this far, 378 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: don't let nothing deter you. Like, just just the constant message, 379 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: the constant message, man. So when it was time to 380 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: get to it, like when nothing getting in the way. 381 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm saying so from my from my freshman o man, 382 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: like one of my first few practices, you know, not 383 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: probably shouldn't, but like I put my hands on somebody 384 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: every year Sincinnati Doug. Not surprising at all, just set 385 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: the tone. But yeah, and that's what it was when 386 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: I was a freshman, Like and we had Danny Forston 387 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: on the team at the time, first team All American, 388 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: all this number ten, picking the draft, you know, all 389 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: kinds of jiu jitsu and of that type of business. 390 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: So hugs and then told somebody when I got eligible, 391 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: Like a reporter told me this that he asked Hugs 392 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: about me getting eligible. He said, I just our best 393 00:22:53,840 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: player just got eligible. Who not then shot thirty or 394 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: four percent from the first line. As a freshman, who 395 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: who the best play here? No, not this one. You 396 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: can't be talking about me though. He was like, yeah, 397 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: but this has coming. Like I just I guess he 398 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: saw it and my my freshman year, like I didn't 399 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: play right away then end up starting towards the end 400 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: of the year and the rest was tooke off after that. Man, 401 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: I just every year, you gotta do this. Okay, you 402 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: need to do this. Okay, you need to work on this. Okay, 403 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: all right, So it's grinding. Man. So senior year nineteen 404 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: and ten, nearly four blocks the game AP Player of 405 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: the Year. Um, you end up breaking your ankle. Um. 406 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: How tough was that? Because this is going into the draft. 407 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: He hearing where you're gonna go, what's going on? And 408 00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: you end up remember that? Uh yeah, it was so 409 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: us come out there, you know I always get up 410 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: and I didn't get up. He came out there, and 411 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: it was I was just like I looked at my Yeah, 412 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: so I tore the legma my inkle and broke my 413 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: leg mm hmm, and it was just flashed and I 414 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: just was like he came out there, he was looking 415 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: at me. It was. I was just like, man, not now, 416 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: not now. That's all I kept telling him. I didn't 417 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: say nothing else, Man, not now. Man came too far 418 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,479 Speaker 1: for this man, not now, Not right now. Man, It's 419 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: gonna be alright. I'm like, not right now, man, No, 420 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: because where this is where it just had senior day, 421 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: first game of the conference turn. We'll just be St. 422 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: Louis about forty on Senior Day and Cincinnati playing in 423 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: the first round. M hmm, now you have it that 424 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: national championship. But I had put to work in all seasons. 425 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: So but I mean, still, that's gotta drive it out. 426 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: You're hearing you possibly could on number one. What was 427 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: that process like from the day you broke your ankle 428 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: to the day you got drafted number one? Hey, it 429 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: was only like six months right within that long ship. 430 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: I got hurt much June in June, so I didn't 431 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: work out. I couldn't work out. I wasn't like I 432 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: had screws in my ankle. I'm saying none weight bearing. 433 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: I was in a boot on crutches for two months. 434 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: So I didn't do nothing but go to therapy. Why 435 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: everybody was going to meet with teams and do all that, 436 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: and I didn't do none of it. Then when I 437 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: was able to get the boot off and all that, 438 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: it was right, okay, So how is it like, well, 439 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: so we go to Chicago. They're like, well, the screws 440 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: got to come out before we even think about picking them. 441 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: Screws gotta come out of doctors got examining. So so 442 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: we did that, and all these teams trying to so 443 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: we let me there. Everybody ain't from the coming this 444 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: damn room. Ain't no damn guinea pig. What number you got, 445 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna be there whenever we got I ain't go. 446 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: You can't come in the room. You can't come in 447 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: the room. So you do that. But no, it was 448 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: hell man mentally that now I didn't didn't know what, 449 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: didn't know how to deal with it. Man, like they 450 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: ain't never been through that always could hoot, could couldn't, 451 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: couldn't do anything but sit there and wait and wait. 452 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: And here they think about taking this person and isn't 453 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: in that draft who remember the top I was thinking 454 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: about like they were gonna take Dres first. They was 455 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: they the nets are gonna take him first, and they 456 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: weren't thinking about taking Strom my Stromo was second, but 457 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: they were thinking about taking Darres first. So no, there's 458 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: the athletic, but he couldn't hear his ass with both hands. 459 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: Boy couldn't shoot that thing. So they was thinking about 460 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: taking him. And I was in the Orlando. He was 461 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: working out division Land where I was down there together 462 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: said he couldn't hit hiss. So so I watched his 463 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: workout right, and he couldn't shoot that bit at oh. 464 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: So I was like, y'all think about taking him. I 465 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: was like, okay, So Stewart told me so Stu Jackson, 466 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: he was in Vancouver at the time, Jim and Stud 467 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: told me, if the Nets do something stupid but I 468 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: don't take not taking you number one, you won't get 469 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: past us at too, so you're good. So I was like, 470 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: ship all right. So from that point, from that conversation on, 471 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: it was like a relief. Of course I wanted to 472 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: be number one, but him telling me that was a 473 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: side relief, what I'm saying. So coming up to the 474 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: draft all that it was still like they still was 475 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: on the fence. A drafted there like it was still 476 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: on the fence was what they was telling us. But yeah, 477 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: Manlo Jamal Crawford, So you didn't know workout for NO 478 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: teams and sort of so I just sort of a workout. 479 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: Let me hear they wanted to say. They said, we 480 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: need to see if he can run and jump. I 481 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: had been right before the draft, maybe a week before 482 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: the draft. I go to Jersey. I ain't really can't 483 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: really do much, but I had been doing rehab. I 484 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: had been out to booting all that. Doing rehab for 485 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: a little bit wasn't right all the way, but I 486 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: had been running and stuff. Literally I ran down the floor, 487 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: ran back, grabbed the basketball, dunked it, and when it 488 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: took my shoes off. The draft exactly what y'all asked. 489 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: Y'all saw me run, I jumped. What's it? What else 490 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: you want from me? Man? Was everything that I guarantee you, 491 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,479 Speaker 1: the history of NO sport. So they had a decision 492 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: to make and they show you, Yeah, they made it, 493 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: and they shows you it's a guy from Jersey. I 494 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: medicine and told me thank you. I said, I was 495 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: just doing my job. He's in this room the Jersey 496 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: guying there to him. Thank you. So they made the 497 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: right choice and then the wrong choice. So, uh, rookie 498 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: season obviously you're you're coming off this injury, but you're 499 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: ready to play. Now, How was that first year? Jack 500 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: was along with you? That's my guy, man, great for us, 501 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: it was great. Was hooping was in the league, couldn't 502 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 1: couldn't tell us nothing right Like thinking, then I'm saying, man, 503 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: Jack was in it together. So I think we was. 504 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: We was both averaging. I think at the at the 505 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: rookie mark. So we're going to Rookie All Star Game. 506 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: We was averaging ten points, were at the top of 507 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: the list, and all that ship and uh, I always 508 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: tell a story about I didn't get I didn't get 509 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: the rookie hazing because because of him, they wanted all 510 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: that kicking the ball in the stadium and go get donuts. 511 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: Nothing that ship kmar was not going. And I was 512 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: a kie right there. So if he ain't got to 513 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: do it, I ain't got to do it. Yeah, I said, 514 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: we got to do that. I'll gonna take up that. 515 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna get no donuts. Said I ain't got 516 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: to do it. Y'all gonna take that ship. And I 517 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: just had to mentality, man like, ain't no grown ain't 518 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: no grown man gonna make me do nothing. But they're 519 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: just I can't listen. I wasn't nineteen when I came in. 520 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: I wasn't eighteen when I got drafted. I was twenty 521 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,959 Speaker 1: two strong as an ox ye three percent body fat. Nick. 522 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: I was listening, dog, I'm not doing it. You ain't 523 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: making me. If I want to buy donuts, but I'm 524 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: gonna do it on my own term. If I want 525 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: to help the manager with the bags, I'm gonna help 526 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: them because I'm out the kind of some of my 527 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: fucking heart. Yeah, no, not at all. You're not gonna 528 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: it was on this team, man, we was ready to 529 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: squaw though, y'all know, and the fight coming, Yeah, I 530 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: from the back back then. I told him to fight 531 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: and a fight come with it, man, like I was 532 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:16,479 Speaker 1: dead as seriously kindle Gill, like we were really Johnny 533 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: newhim Sherman Douglas uh Lucien. Yeah, it was a dude's 534 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: on the like real vests. But I told me I 535 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: ain't doing Listen, man, I ain't doing nothing. He like 536 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: I ain't. Y'all ain't gonna make him neither write like 537 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: it was. So it was a situation I ain't gonna 538 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: say to that name like It was a situation the 539 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: dude wanted some shoes that Jack had trying to take 540 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: my shoes. When the shower he comes trying to like Jack, 541 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: what's hoping them shoes? Jack like, man, you can have him? 542 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: He like should. I was gonna say, I was gonna 543 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: take him ventioning choice. It ain't he ain't even talking 544 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: to me. I said, Man, you ain't taking ship from 545 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: nobody here, ain't taking from nobody. Take him anyway? You 546 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: gonna eat your core? Was that excit this? I was 547 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: gonna take him anyway, get my safe. Man. Ain't going 548 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: to take ship, not from nobody. Man, nobody going for that. 549 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: Bro Kmart was like it was killer Gill and he 550 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: got a I was Killer Gilk but time out. But 551 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: we both from text, you know, I was started down 552 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: star Kmart was like the real big buff dog and 553 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: he was a little dog running around talking ship with everybody. 554 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: Ain't what it was kind of like that, but I 555 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: was yeah, you know, I'm yeah, just have to He 556 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: was number one pick, so I couldn't talk. My words 557 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: really didn't have to weight, you know what I'm saying. 558 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: But once he's saying something, yeah, he said that, man, 559 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: But I would do it because I could do that 560 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: because the way I played the game, the way we 561 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: played game, whatever, whatever I had to do or say, 562 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: let's go in this man, let's get to it like 563 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: no matter what to being done and not doing none 564 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: of that whatever, then let's go hoot man. And we 565 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: had to go to his training, so he was really 566 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: with us too. It was absolutely so. It was now 567 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: it was my first year. I'm badly making the league. 568 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: I just came overseas, going through all this ship, trying 569 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: to get here and not getting mother, trying to devote 570 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: my shoes. I couldn't believe that. Where are we? Yeah, man, 571 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: I just I just like I said, I was twenty two. 572 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: I was grown man at the time. You grown man. 573 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: And where I came from. Yah, you ain't going no no, sir, 574 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: I uh old Cliff Brother. I was trying to show 575 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: that side because I'm trying to thine. I'm trying to 576 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: you know what, because like I said, where I came from, 577 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: it out became like hugs, letting me be meet him 578 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: for years Cincinnati, so I never had to have an 579 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: off button. I didn't have an off button that Cincinnati. 580 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: Don't listen something the ship I did and did listen 581 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: to up fights and all this wing I got. There 582 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: was no off button, man. So when I got to 583 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: the league, there was still no off button. So after 584 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: looking like Christ, we already know this, I'm just saying 585 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: that's what it was, bro Like. Like I said in 586 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 1: the Bronum, I grew up in and watching the shout 587 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: I saw and by the time I got that, man, 588 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: it was it was acceptable. So stay in your ground, dog. 589 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: I drew a line in the stand a long time ago, man, 590 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: before the gun law, A long time ago man. So 591 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: so after after Ricky Yell and Byrones got you know, 592 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: stopped playing me for some reason. Who knows. Uh you 593 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: know politics politics, Now you know it and now you 594 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: can see it politics, man, and I end up leaving 595 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: Marbarry get traded. J kidding new coming to town. What 596 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: you're thinking? What's your mindset? Honestly, you were happy? I 597 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: know you were happy. Oh it's static. I know I 598 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: was talking to you. Ill do you was a Oh 599 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: my god, I don't was in doubts when J was 600 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,919 Speaker 1: and when he got drafted to the man, he wasn't happen. 601 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: I was gone, No, No, I would happen, my man, 602 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: was going not at all like I want him to 603 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: know with me, because what I'm saying Texas boy were 604 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:16,959 Speaker 1: thinking thing like we came in like but I listen nothing. 605 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: I remember. I was at the ruck of watching the 606 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: ruck and when I found out what I'm saying, my 607 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: man walked up to me like, Yo, they just trade 608 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: the stuff. I'm like, huh, like all right, Like I didn't. 609 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: He like, no, they just trade the stuff. And I'm 610 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: like for who He like Jay Kidd. I said, huh. 611 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: He said it straight up stuff for Jay Kidd And 612 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: I said let's go, and I got in the car 613 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: left like, oh wow, different ball game out here now 614 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: from day women day one. Put in the arena, he 615 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: just said, Yester, he just had to make sure to 616 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: stay in the arena. That's it. I go, Yeah, he 617 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: put me in some Sich way. I looked bad, Like, dude, really, 618 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: you're just gonna throw He's standing You don't see that 619 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: man standing right in front of me. It's grown ass 620 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: man that's in the NBA, standing right in front of me. 621 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: You're just gonna throw it up to the rim and 622 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: you know where you're gonna, Like, I trust you, it 623 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: was gonna get right it was gonna get trust You're 624 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,919 Speaker 1: gonna come down with it if nothing else. So yeah, 625 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: I mean I'll just click on both ends of the floor, man, 626 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: like he just we played a certain way smartest. Hell 627 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: just go. We're everywhere, both ends of the floor. Everywhere. 628 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: You're playing power for the center this time before said 629 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: I wait, nothing, man, You're still stronger strong, But don't 630 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: still like like no like I was. It was still 631 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: them forward was way everybody was. Everybody still bigger than me? 632 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: Like wait, why is everybody's still bigger than me? But no, 633 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: don't matter. So as soon as you get that y'all 634 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: back to back, easy'll run through the East like it 635 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: was nothing. What some of you? But what's some of 636 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: your favorite moments from that time? Because beat Indiana in 637 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: five game series like the first year, like that was 638 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: like that was real, Like that was like real playoff 639 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: basketball against him. Yeah, and Reggie, Like Reggie hit the 640 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,720 Speaker 1: three to go in overtime, we think the clock was expired. 641 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: This is before all the replace you and all that, 642 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: so going overtime that sweeping the Knicks in their listen 643 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: on the floor to oh wow, and I showed my 644 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: whole ass. Oh I destroyed them people that series. Oh wow, 645 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: oh game four in the game four on their home floor, 646 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: thirty six fifteen like five, and then and the next 647 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: goal is really eight and a half nine feet That 648 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: ain't ten feet doing warm ups, see this high note. 649 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: I played in all these arenas, but in warm ups 650 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 1: in the in the next I'm dunking backwards and what else? 651 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,040 Speaker 1: Ain't none of that going on? The house house it 652 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: like eight and a half about eight and a half ards. 653 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: So you're saying what I was doing was easy? It 654 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: was too easy? Yeah, but that the balance and um oh, 655 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying just playing against Boston in the playoffs and 656 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: like we like sweeping them. We were we bought that 657 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: broom out. That's when they had twin to employee number eight. 658 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: Yall was punishing and don't want no part of it. Huh. 659 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: Like two thousand two finals. They came across that midpoint. 660 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: They will happen. They came across the midpoint. Let's talk 661 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: about that. We're gonna get to that. To shock Kobe. 662 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: Um you were you guys run through the east and 663 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: you guys run into them? What was it like? There 664 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: was the one picture I think and that finds where 665 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: Shock was dunking on everybody on the team at one time. 666 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: One video that is one of the best interest in 667 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:05,399 Speaker 1: sports history, in NBA history though, like steel shots, that's 668 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,839 Speaker 1: one of the best pictures. How tough were they though? Huh? 669 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: How tough for they in their back though, it's but 670 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: you're someone you had to guard. You you're a rare 671 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: person can guard Shack and you had to guard you 672 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: had to guard. Yeah, I was the romer. I was 673 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: the double guy because it fits like, wait, White, I 674 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: can't do knowing that dude. If I did get caught on, 675 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: all that have to do is try to front him, 676 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: and he just pushed me up the lane. They throw 677 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: the impossible to guard. Listen, man, So you pick your poison. 678 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: Do you try to play him straight up? You know 679 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: what he's gonna do? Do you double swing swings? Now 680 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: you got night. Now you got Dad Fisher going four 681 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: for seven, Robert already going too for five, Devin George 682 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: going to for It's just what so then what do 683 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: you do? And then you got the other animal that 684 00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: one on one is destroying us. Everybody in the he 685 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: ever Shack averaging thirty six, he averaging twenty six, whatever, 686 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: liked it was impossible. But you know what I'm saying. 687 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: I I looked back at it, like I average twenty 688 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: two against him, like me my second years against him, 689 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: Like I posted on like somebody's like the number of 690 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: points of East series. Somebody posted it was one of 691 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: the apps. Seen that thing? You were up there, that's 692 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: right to remember, third on the list. Of course you 693 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: had Shock, Shock and cove Co. And what I'm saying, 694 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: so I ever finals my second year like game four 695 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: and our home flowing like, man, we ain't getting swept 696 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 1: like that, Like I'm not going home tonight, like we're 697 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: going back to l A. You went home, that went 698 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: home that night. It happens though we had seventeen in 699 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: the first thirty five for the game. No, but what 700 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: respect it was. It was a different animal. It was 701 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: just no, no machine, nothing you could put in front 702 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: of Shock and Cobe. Around that time, it was it 703 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: was nothing. You could do nothing. And then the next 704 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: year that running these fellas came on down. Let's say 705 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: in the Texas boy, oh spur boy, they ass got lucky. 706 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: We split the first two games on eight floor. No, 707 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: we were scared, y'all should have been. I told ja 708 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: ja kid was busting our ask we split if we 709 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: go home and get to because it was the two 710 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: three two six, they got home floor if we go 711 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: boy listen, No, but Timmy was probably he took one. 712 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: He went to uh and took one in Jersey A 713 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: boy him damnself. Some of the numbers he put up 714 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: in that series. Dog Yeah and my Tumbo were talking 715 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: about don't double. All right, they stopped doubling. This is 716 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: why they doubling My Tumbo? Hi, Hi, how you want it? 717 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: Hook crossover, fade away off the glass like Umbo, don't. Yeah, 718 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: they need to come you can have it your away 719 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 1: playing bro and blocking everything. He played offside on me 720 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: and on the ball on me like now. He did 721 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:14,320 Speaker 1: his thing and they had to double. Yeoh what happened 722 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: this one? That's that swing? Swing? What's that doing? That game? 723 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,919 Speaker 1: No serious, I'm saying it went six and I'm saying 724 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: it went six. He they played, well, yeah, we have 725 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: to make a sense, you know what I'm saying. But 726 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: I didn't listen. But one now, but one thing for show. 727 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 1: Two things for certain. When Employees six was gardening, there 728 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: was no double teams. No, it wasn't a double tim 729 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying, right, he might have scored it all. He 730 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,879 Speaker 1: did his thing, but you can go ask that man 731 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 1: to date did he have to work for each in 732 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: every one of them. I'm saying, like I figured out 733 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: how to guard people because having to guard him, he's 734 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: a problem. Where to meet him and forced him to 735 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: where I want him to go instead of letting him 736 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: walking me straight down the lane and catching the ball 737 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 1: where he wanted to and not letting him shoot the 738 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: like he never shot that bank shot on me. Ever, 739 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,720 Speaker 1: I wouldn't allow. Yeah, I'm a crowding what I'm saying. 740 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 1: So therefore I'm gonna take something away. You're gonna have 741 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 1: to do something else, like that's the way you can go. 742 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 1: You gotta make him do something else. So therefore, now 743 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 1: you like shout out to him and what I'm saying, 744 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: he made me better, made me back in that series. 745 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 1: Though he welcomed the double team, he waited on it. 746 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: He waited. Yeah, no, no, he he made me a 747 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 1: better basketball playing a better defender. Him and a couple 748 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: of guys, but him was definitely So we was hearing 749 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: the same things, and men he was together them after 750 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: every game, so we was hearing the same things about 751 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: Jay Kidd possibly coming in San Antonio. What was you 752 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 1: thinking about that when you was hearing that too? I 753 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: adn't think none of it, to be honest what I'm saying. 754 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: I know they had tone and all that. I was 755 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 1: just I didn't if you were the winning you to win, 756 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: I was hoping it was getting rid of Yeah, like 757 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: if he would win you to win, you know what 758 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, like I would have changed everything. You 759 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, of course, but but history has 760 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He stayed, then they got 761 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,320 Speaker 1: rid of me, so HM would pay me so and 762 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: didn't work. Yeah, I say, they don't want to pay 763 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,360 Speaker 1: me so they had they made some bad moves. You 764 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: make the All Star Game in two thousand four, uh, 765 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: and then we're traded. What was that process of making 766 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: the All Star team? Like, after all that hard work 767 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: and then you're off to Denver. Honestly, I thought I 768 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,840 Speaker 1: should have made it the year before, But so make it. 769 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: I got my I'm a point guard and All Star 770 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 1: game with me rocking my all start now. So the 771 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,879 Speaker 1: year going into my fourth year, they offered me six 772 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: years for sixty six great money, more money if I've 773 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: ever seen but power forwards. At the time, I always 774 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 1: started all that, it was get like eighty. I'm like, okay, 775 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: it was like eighty four something like. I'm like, I'm 776 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: thinking I'm at least around eighty. So I turned it down. 777 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 1: So I go into my fourth year. I make the 778 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,279 Speaker 1: All Star team. So now the price go up. I 779 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 1: need to see them. I need to see that, not 780 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 1: the price go up. So we lose the Detroit Detroit 781 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,920 Speaker 1: going to win and oh four, free agency start in 782 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: two I'm still waiting on the phone called from the 783 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: nets to offer me a contract. Yeah no, So I 784 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 1: called J Kid like yo, man, Like I waited free 785 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 1: agent to start. Everybody else making moves all that. I'm like, 786 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: I ain't got no we call it. Ain't nobody picking up. 787 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, I called J Kid, like yo, man, I 788 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,440 Speaker 1: ain't ain't heard nothing, like you know what's going on. 789 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: You're like, okay, I love you, but go get your money. 790 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: M hm, that's not but I was expecting to here. 791 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 1: But okay, So Denver, I was a few teams. I 792 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,359 Speaker 1: went to visit Atlanta Denver. I was on my way 793 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,800 Speaker 1: to Utah. They I was just going to you. I 794 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: didn't think I was going to Utah. They had just 795 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 1: signed Carlos Booze and they gave him the sixty six 796 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: that I had turned down from them, so that's what 797 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 1: they paid him. It was between Atlanta and Denver, and 798 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: Denver had the highest, probably had the biggest number. So 799 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: I listened. So when I it was like, you can 800 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,480 Speaker 1: do a sign and trade and get something back for him, 801 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,880 Speaker 1: or you can lose him for nothing. I go to 802 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: Denver man, Oh yeah it was yeah, it was nice. 803 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was. It was it you link up 804 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 1: a young mellow, second year, mellow broker, playman like just 805 00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,200 Speaker 1: so the year before I go, you know, you know, 806 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: our guard him alone, so you know, of course I 807 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,600 Speaker 1: do what I do here rookie. So I'm I'm making 808 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: it no who absolutely so now we So that's a 809 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 1: saw him. He knew I was afraid. He saw him 810 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,680 Speaker 1: an all start. He was like, what you're gonna do 811 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,879 Speaker 1: next year out so he kind of put the book. 812 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: I just after the season and it happened. So I 813 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 1: go out there that just made the playoffs and here 814 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: rookie and make the playoffs. Come going to another playoff 815 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: team in the West No, it was it was dope 816 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,399 Speaker 1: man saying the board development. He was still a kid, 817 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying, saying the development he was very very talented 818 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 1: man score right. Yeah, So like I I told somebody 819 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: this and somebody that was like, wow, I never thought 820 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 1: about that. I could have came to Denver when my 821 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 1: chest poked out and demand at the ball, and like 822 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,040 Speaker 1: it didn't happen because they who I am as a 823 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: basketball player, Like if I could have probably stunted some 824 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 1: of Melow's growth if I wanted to, if I was 825 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,360 Speaker 1: selfish basketball player, I could have came in demanded the 826 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,560 Speaker 1: ball from day one. I need this many touches, I 827 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: need this no matter what's going on, I don't give 828 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,920 Speaker 1: I could have easily did that what I'm saying, but 829 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,360 Speaker 1: I let him be him, Like I didn't need the 830 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: ball for me to be me. I'm saying that ain't 831 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,720 Speaker 1: never who I was, Like I don't need to score 832 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,839 Speaker 1: a right that I'm gonna score it throughout the course 833 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,960 Speaker 1: of just how I played the game, saying so now 834 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,799 Speaker 1: I'm just saying the way he could split that ball 835 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,280 Speaker 1: in that basket, man effortlessly was and his work ethic 836 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,799 Speaker 1: man like he's like Jim Rack like always no matter 837 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,239 Speaker 1: what it was, and he always working on their craft. Man. 838 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:55,279 Speaker 1: So shout out to younger two thou nine gets to 839 00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:00,080 Speaker 1: be too seed with mellow j Chauncey. I was that 840 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,440 Speaker 1: playing with them boys, linking up with them nine. That 841 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,719 Speaker 1: was dope, man, that was coming. Like of course I'm 842 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,799 Speaker 1: saying that was right after we had Chuck. What I'm saying, 843 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,239 Speaker 1: of course, I hate to see Chuck go. You know 844 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,840 Speaker 1: how we feel about Chuck. What I'm saying. So, but 845 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,840 Speaker 1: we trail with some Chauncey come in and Chauncey was 846 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 1: like a side relief, securative blanket because of who we 847 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,680 Speaker 1: had as a handicap as a coach. I'm saying, like, 848 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,920 Speaker 1: so Chauncey like didn't let him suck it up, basically 849 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,239 Speaker 1: like I got this, So Chauncey new time score. Who 850 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,799 Speaker 1: need to do? What a right? He got everybody involved. First, 851 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,759 Speaker 1: of course, no go get his touches throughout the game. 852 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 1: But that thing moving because big shot I gotta get his. 853 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,440 Speaker 1: But he making sure everybody else is getting there throughout 854 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,080 Speaker 1: the first three quarters. Of course he's gonna run something 855 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: mellow and all that. But and then in the fourth 856 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,600 Speaker 1: quarters like fifteen you take us home. So that was 857 00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,719 Speaker 1: dope for him to be that And I'm saying to 858 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,080 Speaker 1: be that vocal in too and to run the show. 859 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,839 Speaker 1: And that's what was the difference, man, Like having him 860 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,919 Speaker 1: there and we were talented, like there was no doubt 861 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,800 Speaker 1: in our mind many going to Denver. Yeah, because you 862 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,000 Speaker 1: have to play these altitude Hey, we would beat the 863 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 1: ship out of y'all with the finals. When y'all played 864 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:27,439 Speaker 1: the Lakers, we knew we were gonna dog y'all. Hut Man, listen, 865 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,279 Speaker 1: bro but throw the ball away because we hand out 866 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,279 Speaker 1: of bounds plays when a zipper mellow up, they take 867 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,520 Speaker 1: it away. We throw the ball away twice against the Lakers, 868 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 1: and the rest is here, so we lose. They I 869 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 1: was at the next year when we lost the Boston 870 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,319 Speaker 1: in the Eastern That was when they still that team. 871 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,120 Speaker 1: The Orlando team came next year, so you weren't knowing 872 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 1: that next year. Had me to put you in harms 873 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,600 Speaker 1: away my bad by the party, hard, talk about hard, 874 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,480 Speaker 1: fallet each other come times would have been good. No, yeah, man, 875 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,359 Speaker 1: we was good and Denver Man, that squad was young, 876 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,680 Speaker 1: and we like Chauncey, made us yeah, what I'm saying 877 00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,480 Speaker 1: what we needed to be And people think I'm crazy, 878 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,719 Speaker 1: but what No, But but people don't know. But for 879 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,839 Speaker 1: the statement I'm about to make, for the statement I'm 880 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:26,520 Speaker 1: about to make. If they just trade Mellow to New York, right, 881 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,440 Speaker 1: and don't we take a couple of pieces back, But 882 00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,919 Speaker 1: don't whatever we do and we keep Chauncey in Denver 883 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,160 Speaker 1: with him being away and what we had, I think 884 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,160 Speaker 1: we still could have did something. What I'm saying, like 885 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,240 Speaker 1: when they traded chances with Meller and I was pissed, 886 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:51,160 Speaker 1: I was hot, I checked out to check out. Man, whatever, Man, 887 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,680 Speaker 1: I ain't trying to win, Like, no disrespect the Raymond 888 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:59,680 Speaker 1: Felt and Gallinari and Wilson, Chad, y'all cool, But I 889 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:06,359 Speaker 1: need big shot. What I'm saying, like, yeah, I would 890 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,680 Speaker 1: live it, you know what I mean. I'm not working out. 891 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,359 Speaker 1: What time do you need me? What're tying the bus? 892 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,120 Speaker 1: All right? What're tying the game? All right? I'll be there, 893 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,480 Speaker 1: I'll be there. I wouldn't. Man, know, I ain't trying 894 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:25,760 Speaker 1: to win, man, I'm so losing. Fifteen years, two finals 895 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,760 Speaker 1: appearances in All Star? When did you know it was time? 896 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 1: The phone start bringing I want to be walking. I 897 00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:43,160 Speaker 1: got cut signing ten days like walking just ain't for 898 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,680 Speaker 1: the brothers I had. I would have stayed to play basketball. 899 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,680 Speaker 1: I would I went to China for three months to 900 00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 1: play basketball during the lockout, Like I don't want to 901 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,920 Speaker 1: who I'm saying, I would have stayed out there. I 902 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,239 Speaker 1: want to play on a hoop dog through and through 903 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I offered to play on the Sun 904 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,480 Speaker 1: in the Summer League. We're in the summ League now, 905 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:08,440 Speaker 1: were talking about something fifteen years in. I offered to 906 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,320 Speaker 1: play on the summer League, all to show people I 907 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:15,200 Speaker 1: can still play bro Yeah, I still wanted and the 908 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,480 Speaker 1: person who I asked told me couldn't do it and 909 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,759 Speaker 1: was in position to do it. All they had to 910 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,680 Speaker 1: do was say, okay, but I don't want to go 911 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,040 Speaker 1: calling nobody out. And I'm not gonna lie be scared. 912 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,520 Speaker 1: If I seen you or somemer, they just as a 913 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,279 Speaker 1: fan with you would have been doing some young kids. 914 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:38,120 Speaker 1: They might have took you to jail. I might be 915 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,000 Speaker 1: punking him. I can't imagine what you would be doing. 916 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,560 Speaker 1: Like I just trying to hoop, like it wasn't about 917 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,120 Speaker 1: nothing else at that point what I'm saying, Yeah, but 918 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:51,680 Speaker 1: just the way you go by doing, just play a 919 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,439 Speaker 1: certain way. Man. I just ain't never had to play 920 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 1: a different way. I'm saying, that's all we know. Yeah, 921 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,560 Speaker 1: I ain't never had to play any other way than 922 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,800 Speaker 1: the way I came up doing. And it worked, and 923 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:09,000 Speaker 1: it worked well to the point where dude, I come 924 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,920 Speaker 1: from that. I remember we be in the room chill, 925 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,480 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm just thinking still with number one, 926 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:24,000 Speaker 1: crazy right, unbelievable right before the draft. Still, yeah, like 927 00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,239 Speaker 1: I said, man, I looked hard work right in the face. Man. 928 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,880 Speaker 1: And when dude, I told somebody this, you knew of 929 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,680 Speaker 1: whatever you knew to put your name in the draft 930 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,520 Speaker 1: right in NT If somebody would have whispered in my 931 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:41,320 Speaker 1: ear but your name in the draft, I would have 932 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,480 Speaker 1: did it if they weren't doing it at that time though, really, 933 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,759 Speaker 1: but it wasn't. I had no inclination though on that 934 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,560 Speaker 1: that was a possibility. I'm saying. Then I said, you 935 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,200 Speaker 1: do it. I'm like, I could have, but Lord knows 936 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,120 Speaker 1: where I would have ended up. I'm saying, because like 937 00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:03,320 Speaker 1: I do, I couldn't. No skill set, no no crazy athlete, 938 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:09,120 Speaker 1: super all it was going to the black Top. You plus, 939 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,880 Speaker 1: who are you going with? Big fella shot? Yeah? Of 940 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:24,120 Speaker 1: course Shack was the motherfuckingmus man, you know. Black. His 941 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,160 Speaker 1: mama name me Wardle, So I'm gonna call him war there. Yeah, Wardle, 942 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let me Wardal Okay, chef war the absolutely 943 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:45,480 Speaker 1: huh Mike saying, I put I play yea else? Who 944 00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:54,000 Speaker 1: um this nigger team? Oh yeah, dog, one of somebody 945 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,560 Speaker 1: you'll get shot on the black Top. That's cheating, bro. 946 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna get Jodan shock and stuff on the black Top. 947 00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,160 Speaker 1: And you want me to take something to take somebody 948 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,400 Speaker 1: somebody off. I'm just saying one somebody gonna get that. 949 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,560 Speaker 1: Somebody won't get whip because all let niggers can't fight, 950 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,040 Speaker 1: I know, but you can't beat up everybody down. You 951 00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,319 Speaker 1: gonna try Roscoe who your you hear what he just said? 952 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:27,399 Speaker 1: Just all the smoke, all of it. Uh uh. I'm 953 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,839 Speaker 1: a big fan of Clay Thompson. Man. Yeah, bring Clay 954 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,640 Speaker 1: with you. So just a couple of light skin guys man. Yeah, 955 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,200 Speaker 1: it's hard out of her for subtimes. We got still together. 956 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,200 Speaker 1: A couple of few light skin guys man and guys 957 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:50,160 Speaker 1: and two and two certified animals. I'm talking about. We 958 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,360 Speaker 1: gotta gotta have some contrasts in that time. You know 959 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,360 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, nice swirld like like, we gotta like 960 00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,600 Speaker 1: we gotta have some contrasts in that thing. Extra lighting. Yeah, 961 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,080 Speaker 1: but let's call him black Mike for a reason. Give 962 00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,279 Speaker 1: me war there All Day Off ain't tough album you 963 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,040 Speaker 1: can listen to with no skips. Scar Face the Diary, 964 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:14,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he knows what it is in here? What 965 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,560 Speaker 1: is that scar face? Oh yeah, diary? Come on, please, 966 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,560 Speaker 1: no skills? Uh. Give me some advice that you would 967 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:28,280 Speaker 1: tell your younger self. I mean, like, let me, I 968 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,400 Speaker 1: got to change the question for him. Give me some 969 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,160 Speaker 1: advice from someone else that you would tell your younger self, 970 00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,240 Speaker 1: because I wouldn't want you to tell your younger self 971 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,760 Speaker 1: all your older self nothing. Somebody else. Have to give 972 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,280 Speaker 1: your younger self advice. What would it be? Not from you? 973 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,680 Speaker 1: Not from you know? That's crazy on crazy. Probably listen more, 974 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,880 Speaker 1: listen more, you know what? Not out of ten people 975 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,840 Speaker 1: that said that, we asked questions say the same question 976 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:58,320 Speaker 1: said yesterday, kids, probably listen more. I'm yeah, Stacks said 977 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,760 Speaker 1: it too. Yeah, probably listen more. A man I think 978 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,000 Speaker 1: we all would probably would say that though five dinner 979 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,640 Speaker 1: guests that are alive, U plus five people at your 980 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:13,400 Speaker 1: dinner table. Jack Johnson, m Hugh, A. P. Newton, Jerry Seinfeld, 981 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:19,840 Speaker 1: nice contrast, Dave Chappelle and Marl Luther King. Man, that's 982 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,800 Speaker 1: gonna go sick. Then slit it down. What guests would 983 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,040 Speaker 1: you like to see on All the Smokes? And before 984 00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:28,560 Speaker 1: you ask me, you have to help us get your 985 00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:34,960 Speaker 1: asking on the show Bill Burr, Bill Burr, he's a 986 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:40,800 Speaker 1: contrastor Yeah, you like it. You got some gift. I'm 987 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,960 Speaker 1: gonna keep you swinging with Mom Smoke merch Ain't can 988 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,760 Speaker 1: they get it? Matt um Man all the h that's 989 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,280 Speaker 1: got to figure out which one of is excuse me, 990 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,280 Speaker 1: that's the limited edition. 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