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Speaker 1: Zachary Armstrong and Mike Peyton. Zach currently works with the Navy,

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Speaker 1: you call those exactly that you're wearing. Right, There's there's fatigues,

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Speaker 1: and then there's r khakis, your khakis. Khaki's very cool,

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Speaker 1: right now, with Zach and with Mike. It's okay to

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Speaker 1: be vulnerable, you know. Well, I always say vulnerability is strength.

426
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Speaker 1: Allowing yourself to be vulnerable to the right people, it's

427
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Speaker 1: actually strength. So that's very cool. And of course there's

428
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Speaker 1: wolves out there and there's sharks that will take advantage

429
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Speaker 1: of that. But that's why, you know, like in this

430
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Speaker 1: particular situation, and Zach and I had hours of conversations.

431
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Speaker 1: That's what we got each other through rehab because we

432
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: went together and so like it was us that were

433
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Speaker 1: like we weren't we were the tribe. We were. It

434
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 1: was just us. But that's a tangent. We can talk

435
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 1: about it all the time. But like the thing is,

436
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: the vulnerability is the strength. That's another key takeaway in

437
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 1: my opinion. Yeah, And so the more vulnerable I am

438
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 1: about this, the more I get from it. The more

439
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: I put myself out there and you know, going to

440
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 1: be in a keynote speaker talking to people all these issues.

441
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: It's not easy. You'd asked me if I had been

442
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 1: able to talk about my problems with lockhol five years ago.

443
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: I told you no, that was a secret. That was

444
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Speaker 1: my secret. That was my dirty little secret that I

445
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 1: kept and I here from everybody. I had it well,

446
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: very well. And now that I opened up and I

447
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: helped others, I find that I get just myself. I

448
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: get so much out of putting myself out there and

449
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 1: having other people come to me putting theirselves out there.

450
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: And I found that's more living than it was being

451
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Speaker 1: in that dark hole every day. I would never change

452
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: where I've been and how I come before that because

453
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 1: it's made me a better person anymore towards others and

454
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: has allowed me to live a life that I'm I'm

455
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 1: proud of when I go home, when I go see

456
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Speaker 1: you to night, I see, well. One of the biggest

457
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: things I heard when I heard speakers say is when

458
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: your values aren't matching your actions, you're not living life.

459
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 1: My actions were not matching my values when I was

460
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: in that dark hole drinking, and I can share you

461
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 1: now my values matched my actions with the way I

462
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: live my life. And that's that's part of that vulnerability

463
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Speaker 1: that we're talking about. So do you have like any

464
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 1: recommendations where someone can go and read about, you know,

465
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: like what you do? Is there like a is there

466
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Speaker 1: a book that you've written. I know you're into philanthropy

467
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Speaker 1: and and you know, please tell me some more about

468
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: how Someone listening at this point in our conversation, you know,

469
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: they can say, well, where do I finally go? Who

470
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Speaker 1: do I how do I reach out? What if it

471
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Speaker 1: is my CEO that I want to talk to? But

472
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Speaker 1: I'm an E four right, there's plenty of resources out

473
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Speaker 1: there for any individual. Um, I don't mind giving my

474
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Speaker 1: contact information, you know, my email on contact I can

475
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: put it up in your website. If that's easier for

476
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: people follow they can contact me. I think we'll have

477
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: that put up for sure. And you know, I could

478
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Speaker 1: say now it's not crazy A C H A R

479
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Speaker 1: Y J A R M at gmail dot com and

480
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Speaker 1: anybody can feel free to email me, you know, for

481
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Speaker 1: myself it's Michael dot Peyton aide zero at gmail dot com.

482
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,719
Speaker 1: And so yeah, we're pretty much on standby with this

483
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: infrastructure development out here in Virginia. We're waiting on the

484
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Speaker 1: I R S to approve the E I N and

485
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: prove the status of the nonprofit. But we're a couple

486
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: of months out. It's not a couple of years out.

487
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: The couple of months out, and then we're just acquiring

488
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Speaker 1: to see money from them. It seems like you're on

489
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Speaker 1: the eve of opening. If it's a few months out,

490
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: it's it's soon. You know, you're like two quarters out

491
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: or something. But yeah, yeah, it's right around the corner.

492
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Speaker 1: So right now we're gonna launch a capital campaign once

493
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 1: we get from the AS and then we're all we're

494
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: off to the races. The mission is to help rights,

495
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: to help you go specifically, with addictions and Zach mentioned

496
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: in earlier and what it is is trauma comma is

497
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: the is the root cause and addictions. I mean, of

498
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: course you got um a predisposition genetically you know nine

499
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: depend but it's also in correlation with trauma. So I

500
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: mean if and the if we nail this down, I

501
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: mean it's game changes, life changing. Life changing will be

502
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: the simfrastructure. Life changing will be getting the addiction, getting

503
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: rid of the addictions, putting the spotlight on the addiction

504
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: on the individual. Once we get that, we change lives.

505
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: Not only do we change individual lives, but we change

506
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Speaker 1: families and change communities. And that's the key because with

507
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: the community comes to the nation. So if we can

508
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: switch this, get out bell curve on the other side

509
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: of the bell curve and reset everything. And that's the

510
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Speaker 1: mission of the of the organization. That's very cool. Is

511
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Speaker 1: there a name that will be able to note when

512
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Speaker 1: it's out, Is there something that you'd like to let

513
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: out there? Are you gonna hold onto that for a

514
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: little bit and then launch that name? So the name

515
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: of the organization of the Foundation's tribe task and purpose

516
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: developing the website. Website will be finished in mid April

517
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: and we're gonna launch it. We're gonna launch everything all

518
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Speaker 1: together in a package. I'm actually you know, it's funny.

519
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to go and move about

520
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: my nonprofit per se or are non profit rather, But

521
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: I'm going through a Boston University professional fundraising course right now,

522
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: which I never would have guessed how many facets are

523
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: involved with nonprofit organizations, but it's incredible. And so I'm

524
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: learning from a fire hose. And you know, Zack being

525
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: a board member, like we are going to have hours

526
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Speaker 1: of conversation pertaining to setting up fundraising events. And you know,

527
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Speaker 1: I was always like I was always opposed to fundraising

528
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Speaker 1: in the sense of, like I do not want to

529
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Speaker 1: take other people's money because like you know, like there's

530
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: something about that to me that just doesn't take it

531
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: does not sure. Well, that's the thing. It's like, it's

532
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: not for me, that's the things It's not for me.

533
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: It's not for us, it's for the organization. It's for

534
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: the individuals. So that's right, Okay, Okay, So that's definitely

535
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: what we're strowing for. We want a brick and mortar

536
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: facility and starting off from Virginia to combat. You know

537
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: what he said, first responders and commandos. When we're you know,

538
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: then we're looking to especially myself to the starting here

539
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: in San Diego to brick mort War, focus on veterans

540
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: and military as well, big homeless, popular problem Atlantic feet

541
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: so is a big lot of most of those around

542
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: addition or minimalists, there's no doubt so other appotudes. You know,

543
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: he asked for resources. You know, there's the thing call

544
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: Phoenix Jimps. It's something I'm hating it when we set

545
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: up volunteers and go around owned and we have roots

546
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: with meat for physical fitness. It's a you know, a

547
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: form of community. And I found the thing within a

548
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, whether it be that whether you go there,

549
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: there's other avenues that focus on you know, with God,

550
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: religious beliefs as far as how they set up. It's

551
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: a twelve step program as well. It's all community. And

552
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: when Mike was speaking earlier about tribe, that that's that's important.

553
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: That's the most impacted, sorry, most important factor to me

554
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: when it comes to recovery is having a community, having

555
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: those of like mind and something with I think that's

556
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: why A so successful with a lot of people. I

557
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: feel like it's a people just get a life, amount

558
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: of people, community sense of being because one thing with

559
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: addiction is you don't understand. Most people don't. Showing addition

560
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: is so isolating. You become a singular unit in yourself

561
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: in word thoughts to where you only think about yourself

562
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: and how bad you're like this, and you just turn

563
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: in order, you turn into a singular product. Right, you're

564
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: no longer part of community. You can be married with

565
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: kids and have a family five feet away from you,

566
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: but if you have that problem, you're you're inside yourself.

567
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: You have no community. You lose that. And so with

568
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 1: Phoenix Gyms and something I participating, it's called this. One

569
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: of the things I'm participating is volunteer I teacher class

570
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: every week. We're growing that here in San Diego. It's

571
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: it's in a lot of cities. So if anybody wants

572
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: to go Phoenix, just look at Phoenix Gyms and there's

573
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: a lot of classes that are offered free. It's only

574
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: forty eight hours or so. Sobriety is all you need

575
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: uh to take class. Honors based system, so it's not

576
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: like he lights, they're testing you. And so you take

577
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: classes and you just grow in the community and saying

578
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: as a recommend a something that fit's you, then you

579
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: use it in a anything of that nature is very

580
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: important for a community, and that's what I'm really trying

581
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: to grow. I think my kids, you know, we're definitely

582
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: with the facility is one concentrating on people with a

583
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: better recovery. But I think one of the thing is

584
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: is what I really trying to focus on too, is

585
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: giving people options outside of just drinking, especially for military,

586
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: so given options of going to do things like when

587
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: you're not going back to the barracks and just drinking,

588
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: our treating the inward thoughts earlier and trying to hit

589
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: that off. So Phoenix Stamp, I really recommend that any

590
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: other community groups. You know, we're talking about mils more

591
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: right now. You know mel groups. There's a lot of

592
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: groups that are out there you can talk how groups

593
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: where you can talk or meet people like minded. In

594
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: the days of the Internet, it's a lot easier to

595
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: find things. You know, Mike, Mike's actually got too, and

596
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: I think activity is very important factor recovery or in

597
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: avoiding those of visual natures that we focus especially military

598
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: with alcohol used. One thing that Zach Now spot on

599
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: is giving back so we don't become the isolated unit,

600
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, and we actually get back to the community,

601
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: We get back to our families, we get back to

602
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: the nation or whatever capacity we're giving back, but we

603
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: give it back and or pay it forward if you

604
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: want to call it that. But that's what we're trying

605
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: to establish and set up and networks like that to

606
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: where they have the ability or we have the ability

607
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: to get back. Yeah. I think it's like, you know,

608
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: I have a lot of aspirations and what I want

609
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: to achieve the rest of my life when it comes

610
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: to come back in addiction, making one any single painting

611
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: is not all my is not my mom. I don't

612
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: ever want to make one money, one bit of money

613
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: off of it. I want to be able to give back.

614
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: And I can said with my action you know values

615
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: in my action match, I think pretty good at night

616
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: and going out and giving back and give to others.

617
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: It means a lot more to me than ever get

618
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: me anything from back from it. Individual. That's really nice. Yeah,

619
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: And I think that you have been leading that lifestyle.

620
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: If you were after money, you wouldn't have joined the military.

621
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: If you want to be honest, Okay, so I believe you.

622
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 1: I do, and I want you to be super successful

623
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: with your organization. And I just want to talk to

624
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: to my listener who's listening right now, who may have

625
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: some money, and they may say, hey, you know, I

626
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: might just reach out to Michael Zachary and drop them

627
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: a line and say, look, how can I help you

628
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: really to get there? You know? And if you are

629
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: there and you are listening and you've dealt with this

630
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: in your life and you've got some bolt money that

631
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: you want to kind of splash around, I'm sure that

632
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: this organization would totally feed off of some of that.

633
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: And I'm that's me saying that. That's not these guys

634
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: asking for it, that's me. So if you're listening, hit

635
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: them up, you know, or if you can help out

636
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: in some way, if you're in the San Diego air

637
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: or wherever. You know, that's just how it works. Welcome

638
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: to the world Wide Web. We can reach each other seven.

639
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: So that's just me pandering for you guys, okay, to

640
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: get your your dream aloft, because you know, what do

641
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: they say, when the tides rise, all ships, you know,

642
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: rise with it. So we'll just try to rise that,

643
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: you know. I like to say positive vibes and yeah,

644
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: you're welcome, Mike. Yeah, that's very cool. Now, Mike, you

645
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: gotta tell me what's your background in where'd you get

646
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: that beard from? So I recently read hired actually or

647
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: transition out of the military from the Seal Teams. I

648
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: spent twenty two years active duty in the teams and

649
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: then uh so getting out. So rehab actually kind of

650
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: did a paradigm shift for me because I'm like, there's

651
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: a huge gap here with the military and their facilities

652
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: and combating addiction or combating substance abuse. So that was

653
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: one of the things that Zach and I talked about

654
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: in the in the program that we're going through. But

655
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: getting out, I'm like, man, I just want to you know,

656
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: I want to get back because I had to redefine

657
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: my purpose once I left the military or in transition

658
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: to leaving the military, and so redefining my purpose meant

659
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: helping others, helping others that went through that or that

660
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: are going through are going gonna go through the similar

661
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: situation as me. So that's where you know that the

662
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: light bulb went off in my head and I was like, man,

663
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: let's let's do like a an addiction facility or a

664
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: substance abuse facility, I tailored addiction, or I like to

665
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: call it addiction because it's not just substance abuse in chemicals, right,

666
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: it's uh, it could be pornography, it could be you know, overeating,

667
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: it could be it could be anything. So it could

668
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: be video games, you know, whatever, whatever you're using it,

669
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: or whatever somebody's using as a copy mechanism. So coping

670
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: mechanism becomes that idol or becomes that substance that they're using.

671
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: And so we're like, okay, let's reframe this. Let's reframe

672
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: if we're going to use a copy mechanism, then let's

673
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: go ahead and use a positive coping mechanism. You know,

674
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: let's uh learn a skill or or let's eat you

675
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: know properly, or the way that we're designed to eat.

676
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: Let's heal others in this endeavor of life. And so

677
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, that's where it just started evolving and started

678
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: morphing into something that it is what it is now,

679
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: you know, at least on paper. So I'm really looking

680
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: for all said, I'm really looking forward to the the

681
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: next ridgeline. Yeah, that's that's kind of where I was

682
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: at too, you know, definitely, you know, I spoke to

683
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: Mike Abospora and I joke I was like, God gave

684
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: me a superpower. He allowed me to drink a lot

685
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: of amount of alcohol and still remember it. All Um,

686
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: you know, I wish you would have let me fly

687
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: or have X radition or something, but that just wasn't

688
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: in the car. Sure, you know, I remember from to

689
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: the hospital and having a point four five v A

690
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: C level and that that was hours after consuming alcohol,

691
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: and the doctor Kenny, and he said, you know you're

692
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: probably point five over point five. You should be dead

693
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: right now. I just don't remember that whole conversation. I

694
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: remember my friend Rico, who had to come there to

695
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: be the representative of my command of the town. While

696
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: I was there, I remember the conversation we had, and

697
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: I remember how I felt, how desolate I felt, how

698
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: bad I felt, how just withdrawn I felt. And I

699
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: think you know I was giving those abilities and given

700
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: the ability to remember and really how I felt, and

701
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: it's allowed me to want to give back. I know,

702
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: I never want to feel that way again. I want

703
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: to understand spillings on anybody, not a single person. I

704
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: can't tell you how I've never felt lower in my

705
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: life ever. Yeah, that's powerful though, you know, and that's

706
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: that's what's up. I mean, if I sit in a

707
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: circle with you right now, I just like, yeah, you know, uh,

708
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 1: from smoking cigarettes in my life. You know, I quit

709
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: those seventeen years ago. And I started smoking at a

710
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: young age, listening to Metallica, like in seventh grade. And

711
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: I smell a cigarette today and I still get that

712
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: reminder of seventh grade Metallica, you know, like listening to one.

713
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, smoking with Robbie in his basement of

714
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: his parents house, you know, and then transition later in life,

715
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: you know, about seventeen years ago, I quit smoking, and

716
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm forty four today, So I smoked for quite a

717
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: long time, trying to cut it off here and they're

718
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: going for like a year off and then going right

719
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: back to that scent, that remembrance of Metallica in the

720
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: basement at Robbie's house. I'm gonna smoke again, And I

721
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: tried it, and I started smoking again. Well now it's

722
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: been seventeen years since that last cigarette, since that phase. Yesterday,

723
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: I was talking to a good friend of mine and

724
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: he's in his sixties almost seventies and he's still smoking

725
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: and he's sucking wind hey rat sucking win. I'm just

726
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: looking at him like, oh man, I still smelling. I'm like,

727
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: even though he's dying right in front of me, sucking

728
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: that cigarette, I still wanted to hit that cigarette. And

729
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: he and I said that. I said, man, you reminded

730
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: me of Metallica in seventh grade. And he held it

731
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: up to me like do you want it? And then

732
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: he pulled away. I'm just joking, but for a second

733
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: he probably would have let me take it and smoked it.

734
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: So that's enabling me to go right back into my addiction.

735
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: And there's people out there that will just enable you say, oh, here,

736
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: just one little sip. Do you want to remember what

737
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: the champagne tasted like? Do you want to remember what

738
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: this looked like? Do you want to remember what this

739
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: was like? You know that little you know that pushes

740
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: the domino right over and everything goes right down the

741
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: rest of the way, and you're just smoking again, or

742
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: drinking again, or eating meat if you're a vegetarian and

743
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: you committed to a vegetarian lifestyle. And I just took well,

744
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: what's that like? Oh? And then you go right back

745
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: to it. Whatever the case is, this is crazy rad

746
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: I think you hit a critical point is like going

747
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: back into the addiction or your original addiction. It's significantly

748
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: less before you go back to the state that you

749
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: were in, if that makes sense. So for example, what

750
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say is if I if I'm like, hey,

751
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna go back into drinking, Like,

752
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: it's not gonna take me a year or two to

753
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: get back to the pit that I just came out of.

754
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: It didn't take me about three months probably, So it's

755
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: significantly reduced. It's like an exponential it's a bell curve.

756
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 1: It's the bell curve effect. And so I'm like, why

757
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: would I want to go back into that pit. I

758
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: don't want to go back in the pit. No, I

759
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: don't have to drink then I will go back, and

760
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: it's only gonna take me a substantially lower time to

761
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: get back to the pit. So okay, so the logic

762
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: and reason comes into I'm like, well, I guess I

763
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: can't drink then, because I got a three month window

764
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: before I'm back into the pit. So no, thanks, right,

765
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: You're like trying to like, you know, comparliamentalize this. Let

766
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: me just hit it right now. No, no, no, don't

767
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: hit it right now. Don't because you'll have regret and

768
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: there's no regrets. Okay, you can't have regrets. Okay, no regrets.

769
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: Bro Okay. Yeah. I read a quote yesterday. It is

770
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: Robert Downey said, hey, are you ever thinking about drinking again?

771
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: And he goes, I do, and then I remember I

772
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: have plans for Christmas. Like it restonated him because like, oh, yeah,

773
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: you know it's March. But he's right. If I started drinking,

774
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: I might not have players in Christmas. And I like

775
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: to kind of hit me like, hey, you don't. I

776
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: call it a spiral, like you know, you go to

777
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: that hole where you can spirally down and down and out,

778
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: and that spiral is tighter and tighter, tighter, and you

779
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: get that addiction eat it once it comes in again

780
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: and you start smiling and smilings tighter. Which you drink,

781
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: you hit that fat and all or you can coach

782
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: that siles tighter. Now it's gonna be flow up, faster down.

783
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: And I do want to have plans for Christmas, as

784
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 1: he said, Oh, Chris, I have plans for Eastern dude, exactly.

785
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 1: It's like right around the corner. Man. There's an old

786
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: TV series that when I was growing up, since I

787
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 1: named myself being forty four, and it was called Little

788
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: House on the Prairie. There was an episode. We've bought

789
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: in the whole series, and all my children have watched

790
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: it now that we're in you know, they're older, we're older.

791
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: My wife like, let's watch a Little House of Prairie.

792
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: But there was an episode and it just resonated with me.

793
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: It was a Civil War veteran. He was in paw

794
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: and Ma's town. He was going to the doctor and

795
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: complaining about his injury, and the doctors like, well, let

796
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: me give you some of this for your injury. And

797
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: it was back then it was the morphine. And then

798
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, late at night in the middle

799
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 1: of you know, Pa gets woke up. Hey, doc's office

800
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: got broke into. He knew exactly who broke into that office,

801
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: and he broke in four you know, And that was

802
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: back in the Civil War day. That dude just needed that.

803
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: He just had to think he needed that because there's

804
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: phantom pains of not having the meds and then thinking

805
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: you're still hurt, you know, and you're like, I'm having

806
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: these phantom pains, and that's that's real. And if you're

807
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: listening to this and you're having phantom pains or you're

808
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: thinking otherwise, just reach out. Just reach out to whoever

809
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: you can reach out to that you think you can

810
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: trust and that person is there for you. Okay, whether

811
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: it's us three here, these three Musketeers on your screen,

812
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: or you're listening to that are talking about the substance

813
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: abuse and addiction you know from our experiences, and we're

814
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: only human, like we're not perfect. We're just trying to

815
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: do our best to make sure that you know we're

816
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: here to hear your story and uh and hammer it out. Okay.

817
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: So I think that we've had a really good conversation

818
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: and I would like to have you on again, right

819
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: And I don't know if my listener has noticed any

820
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: type of a glitch er here and there. We're trying

821
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: to make it seamless, but we'll bring you back on again, Zach,

822
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: if you will have the if you'll take us back,

823
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: we'll love to have you. Mike. Also, you know we

824
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: can do the Three Musketeers or if there's individual opportunities,

825
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: but I just want to say thanks again for taking

826
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: forty five minutes out of your time to an hour

827
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: of your lives to talk to me and our listener

828
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: about you know, substance abuse, addiction, being a veteran, and

829
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: being heard when you need to be heard. Just say something, Yeah,

830
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: I would love to be back on and I'll put

831
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: up then from my contact information to on your website.

832
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: You'll get the past two where you can. I know

833
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: Mike what he's saying, and no judgment there. You ever

834
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: reach out to me if you think you have something

835
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: worse than me byby surprised, and I know Mike's the

836
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: same way, in the same path, and no matter where

837
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 1: you're at and where you feel, I don't. I haven't

838
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: lived your life and I can't ever walk the walk

839
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: you walked. You know those footprints on the beach you're

840
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: already made, but amount of probably pretty close by hers.

841
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: And I understand where you're at, how you're feeling um

842
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: and don't even feel like you can't reach out to

843
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: me the same exact same stay with me too. And

844
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: I think by saying that, I will conclude our conversation

845
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: UH today with Mike Peyton and Zachary Armstrong, both cool

846
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: dudes that we just became, we just met, we just

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Speaker 1: to be real and let you know that we have

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Speaker 1: So again, thanks Mike and thanks Zach. And this is

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