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Speaker 1: Welcome to desperately devote it.

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Speaker 2: Think of us as your favorite neighbors as we chat

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Speaker 2: about life and relationships, all while we.

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Speaker 3: Revisit the iconic show Desperate Housewives together.

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Speaker 2: I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen.

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Speaker 4: And I'm Emerson Tunny.

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Speaker 1: Well, Hi, Hi, I'm so cute. I love your hat Emerson.

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Speaker 5: A little tease into what we're talking about today, So yes,

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Speaker 5: that's right. This week, we have more to say on

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Speaker 5: the episode that we discussed on Tuesday, which was episode thirteen,

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Speaker 5: Your Fault. And I know something that really stood out

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Speaker 5: to me, and I know we all felt this was

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Speaker 5: there is an interesting storyline happening kind of a sub

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Speaker 5: storyline for Gabby where it involves John and his parents

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Speaker 5: who returned to make an appeal to Gabby because John

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Speaker 5: is now considering going full time into his lawn business

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Speaker 5: and not going to college anymore. And I think that

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Speaker 5: anything involving higher education and college and whether to go

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Speaker 5: and not go and pursue your career right away really

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Speaker 5: always resonates with me as someone whose biggest regret is

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Speaker 5: probably not going to college when I was college age,

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Speaker 5: which kind of was because of Desperate Housewives in many ways,

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Speaker 5: but just my career in general. And I have so

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Speaker 5: many feelings about this topic. I certainly, like I mentioned,

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Speaker 5: have regret over not going at that time in my life.

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Speaker 5: I totally believe that you can always go back to college,

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Speaker 5: you should always continue to learn, and that not the

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Speaker 5: college is not for everyone. You know, It's not always

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Speaker 5: the best environment for people to learn or the best

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Speaker 5: way for them to start their life. I just I

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Speaker 5: am someone who really loves the classroom environment. I got

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Speaker 5: so little of it in my academic life.

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Speaker 1: I mean I was tutored.

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Speaker 5: On the Desperate Housewives back lot from seventh grade, you know,

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Speaker 5: through high school by myself with a tutor.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I had no classroom experience, you know.

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Speaker 5: So I definitely, I definitely have a lot of feelings

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Speaker 5: about it, and I would love to I know, Emerson,

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Speaker 5: you had a recent college, you know, not so distant

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Speaker 5: about that and what your thoughts are in general.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I also didn't go to college or didn't finish college,

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Speaker 2: and the college that I did go to was a

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Speaker 2: I never had that experience that Emerson had, and I

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Speaker 2: agree with you that I I mean, I try not

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Speaker 2: to frame things as regret, because you know, every moment

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Speaker 2: of life is a path and a choice of a path, and.

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Speaker 4: You can't go back.

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Speaker 2: You have no idea where the path goes. All you

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Speaker 2: can do is be present and make the best choice

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Speaker 2: you can at the time.

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Speaker 1: You know all of that.

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Speaker 2: But I agree with you, and we can circle back

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Speaker 2: to what both of us fantasize about what we missed

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Speaker 2: by hearing Emerston tell us what she got? What did

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Speaker 2: you get?

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Speaker 1: Tell us about it?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I know, I do.

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Speaker 3: I think the conversation about higher education whether to go

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Speaker 3: so expensive to go to college right now, and that

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Speaker 3: is like not something that is easily at the disposal

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Speaker 3: of most people. I think it's a very complicated choice,

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Speaker 3: and I don't think, I really actually don't think that

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Speaker 3: absolutely should go to college or you shouldn't.

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 3: I went to Brown I'm wearing the hat and I

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Speaker 3: loved it. But I remember when I was in high school,

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Speaker 3: I definitely went through like a nihilist phase, maybe my

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Speaker 3: to go to NYU. I really wanted to go to

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Speaker 3: have like a campus experience. You know, you can have

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Speaker 3: I loved Brown. I ended up running our tour program

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Speaker 3: how much I loved Brown, And I think this is

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Speaker 4: I just had my five year reunion this past summer.

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Speaker 4: Did you go?

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Speaker 1: You went?

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Speaker 4: I did?

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Speaker 1: I went?

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Speaker 3: I think I went because I graduated in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: Like from the dining room.

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Speaker 2: She graduated from the dining room right right.

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Speaker 3: My actual my college experience was not disrupted at all

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Speaker 3: by COVID. So in a lot of ways, I feel

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Speaker 3: at this point, I feel like I've been out of

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Speaker 3: to really have things to reminisce on. When I go back,

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Speaker 4: But my big feeling about college is if you can go.

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, if you're not in the United States

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Speaker 3: and you live in a country where college is paid for,

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Speaker 3: then this is like even more so I would say

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Speaker 3: you should go. But if you can go, I think

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Speaker 3: there is something incredibly special about having four years in

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Speaker 3: and really entering your life as an adult living.

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Speaker 1: In the world.

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Speaker 3: Where while I felt like I had plenty of responsibility

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Speaker 3: are really just learning and meeting people and having an

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Speaker 3: a really valuable time. I mean it is also funny

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Speaker 3: though now I totally feel like, oh shit, I wish

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Speaker 3: taken so many classes that I didn't think I would

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Speaker 3: because I think I'm able to have the perspective of

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Speaker 3: recognizing what a special but also somewhat low stakes, like

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Speaker 3: depending on you know, if you're studying the humanities like

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Speaker 4: And yeah, I found that very valuable.

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Speaker 2: I think the thing that Andrew and I probably both feel,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not going to speak for you. You can

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Speaker 2: obviously speak for yourself. But it's like, as you said,

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Speaker 2: you know, at sixty one, I can go back to school.

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Speaker 2: I can take a writing class, or a math class,

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Speaker 2: you know whatever. I can still do that.

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Speaker 4: It is it is like this.

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Speaker 2: Time capsule you're talking about Emerson that you kind of

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Speaker 2: can't replace because I couldn't.

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Speaker 4: Go back now at TAT and have the same experience.

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Speaker 2: Because it's like this, and I guess I mean that

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Speaker 2: But that said, you know, there are people that go

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Speaker 2: And so if I look at it as a positive,

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Speaker 4: Was nowhere near being able to do that at all.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the other thing I fantasize regret or

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Speaker 5: I do agree that there is the special time when

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Speaker 1: I do learn for that experience.

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Speaker 5: But the other thing that I really think I've idealized

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Speaker 5: much you can do if you have no one challenging

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Speaker 1: It's part of it.

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Speaker 5: And I do really wish I had had that, And like,

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Speaker 5: you know, like we said, hopefully maybe you and I,

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Speaker 5: Terry will get to have some sort.

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Speaker 2: Of Yeah, maybe we should go together and we could

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Speaker 2: debate each other.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's so fun question question.

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Speaker 3: For you both not in this current you know, this

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Speaker 3: current age, But if there was a magical time capsule

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Speaker 3: you could go back. You could have four years of college,

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Speaker 3: what would each of you choose to study as your major.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's you know, my fantasy of it

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Speaker 2: is it's more about like how there's this time where

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Speaker 4: And you can just learn and explore.

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Speaker 2: You know, I probably would have been the kind of

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Speaker 5: Do, And I think we should encourage everyone listening to

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Speaker 5: do that because there's just so much to learn always,

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Speaker 1: More interested, more interesting.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know what my major would have been necessarily,

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Speaker 5: would have had a focus on history.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoy. I've been in a particularly.

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Speaker 5: Interested phase of my life with presidential history, I think

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Speaker 7: I just I think that obviously, going looking back informs

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Speaker 2: Maybe history. Yeah, Well, yeah, does John end up going

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Speaker 1: Me, he planted his seeds and they're growing.

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Speaker 4: And they're growing in many ways.

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Speaker 3: Are those seeds gonna gonna well, the mystery continues.

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Speaker 2: We we don't know if it is his seeds.

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Speaker 4: It's right now?

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Speaker 3: Maybe we're foreshadowing too much. Okay, well, I think listen.

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Speaker 3: I think last word on on choice and choosing what

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Speaker 4: Agency is agency.

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Speaker 3: And you know what, I don't think there is a

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Speaker 3: I think there are always infinite numbers of paths that

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Speaker 4: And I think we focus a lot on.

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Speaker 3: College because it feels like a very concrete and definable

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Speaker 3: the time. So at the end of the day, don't

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Speaker 3: be too hard on yourself, enjoy your life and.

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Speaker 4: Be a lifelong learner wherever you're doing that.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I could have said it any better

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Speaker 2: than that. Okay, well we'll see you for what episode fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Next fourteen, episode fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, we're knocking them off. We're knocking them off, desperately

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Speaker 2: devoted to you, Yes, we are in

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