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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my partner in crime, Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to

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Speaker 1: you here from our studios at lambeau Field and Wes.

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Speaker 1: It is late May. The time has arrived. OTAs are

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Speaker 1: underway for the Green Bay Packers, and not long after

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Speaker 1: we are done recording this episode, we will be out

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Speaker 1: at the practice field to watch the one practice this

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Speaker 1: week we get to watch. There will be a media

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Speaker 1: day once a week for the next three weeks during OTAs.

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Speaker 1: Today is that day, so we will talk about all

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Speaker 1: the happenings of today on our next show. But I

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Speaker 1: want to sort of preview this whole window of OTAs

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Speaker 1: and what you and I are going to be watching for.

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Speaker 1: What do we look for at practice? There will be

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Speaker 1: some press conferences, locker room interviews, all that kind of

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Speaker 1: stuff going on. I've posted a story on our website

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Speaker 1: sort of five things to be looking for, just what's

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Speaker 1: on the radar of the media, so to speak, as

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Speaker 1: we head into these OTAs. What's something that jumps out

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Speaker 1: glancing toward at the practice field this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Something to look at. I mean, hey, man, I love

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Speaker 2: the draft as much as anybody. I love the free agency,

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Speaker 2: but my goodness, it feels good to actually have some

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Speaker 2: real practices to cover some actual football, veteran football players

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Speaker 2: on the field, Guys that we're going to see for

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Speaker 2: the very first time in Packers' uniforms like Josh Jacobs,

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Speaker 2: Xavier McKinney. Very excited to see what this twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: always say this, this in a lot of ways is

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Speaker 2: sort of the underwear Olympics. It won't be the you know,

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Speaker 2: full bore practices, you know, colliding thumping. It's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a lot of getting the process down, working on fundamentals

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Speaker 2: and then doing some team stuff. But I'll tell you what, Mike,

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Speaker 2: My biggest takeaway in two thousand and twenty one, I

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Speaker 2: think it was June seventh of twenty twenty twenty one

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Speaker 2: Jordan Love coming out party. That was the practice when

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers wasn't here, Jordan Love balled out and we

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Speaker 2: started to see that those signs at the time right

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Speaker 2: that this guy could be a real superstar in this league. Again,

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Speaker 2: making no bold proclamations, but this is where you start

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Speaker 2: to see the progress that guys are making. I've seen

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Speaker 2: some of the videos, we've some of the photos that

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Speaker 2: Evan Siegel has taken. You get a feel for how

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Speaker 2: certain guys look, how their bodies look right now. That

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Speaker 2: for me is just always seeing who's gonna be primed

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Speaker 2: to take a jump, not making any bold predictions, but

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Speaker 2: seeing who has put themselves in a situation now with

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Speaker 2: two months until training camp to really take advantage of

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Speaker 2: what is going to be a wide open opportunity on

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Speaker 2: this roster.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a lot of curiosity certainly, and again,

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Speaker 1: there aren't gonna be any jobs one or loss like

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Speaker 1: the you know the week one starting lineup where there

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Speaker 1: be training camp, it's going to be the preseason games,

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Speaker 1: the padded practices. These are obviously non contact practices, so

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Speaker 1: you have to understand all that going in. But when

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Speaker 1: you look at Jeff Hafley's new defense, here, everybody is

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Speaker 1: going to be wondering, Okay, what is the linebacking corps

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Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle at the linebacker level. You would

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Speaker 1: also expect Edger and Cooper, a second round draft pick,

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Speaker 1: a guy the Packers have a lot of high hopes

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Speaker 1: for and everything we heard from the defensive coaches, they

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Speaker 1: are very, very excited about this young man. You expect

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Speaker 1: him to be involved somewhere. But then you know, the

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Speaker 1: third one When you look at safety, you mentioned McKinney

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Speaker 1: prized free agent acquisition, early free agent signing for the Packers,

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Speaker 1: So next to McKinney, Johnson will be in that competition.

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Speaker 1: not to say that things won't change. That's not to

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of how things go during OTAs. But

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is a real interesting thing because there

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Speaker 2: was a time where I always use the example. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure I've used it on unscripted before when we talk

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Speaker 2: about OTAs of twenty thirteen where they drafted Eddie Lacy,

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Speaker 2: but it was still Alex Green was the one taking

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was Packers wire, but I'm not sure. Seventy

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Speaker 2: now are on first time controllable contracts otherwise known as

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Speaker 2: rookie contracts, though they aren't all rookies, but that aspect

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Speaker 2: of it makes it so that with that, when you

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Speaker 2: probably see Edrinko we're out there, much like in twenty

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Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. I think in

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Speaker 1: some ways, you know, the way the Packers handle things

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Speaker 1: I think in the Brian Gudukunst era, it's a little

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Speaker 1: But you mentioned in the Ted Thompson era there was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and not to say that what work then doesn't

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Speaker 2: not saying they're gonna be Week one starters, but when

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Speaker 1: So absolutely, it's a.

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Speaker 2: Huge thing for you know, Edgern Cooper to be able

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Speaker 2: Those reps is you're starting to build that chemistry, you're

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Speaker 2: take those for granted because this thing. Maybe a lot

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Speaker 2: those who do not. The OTAs and then the final

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Speaker 2: mini camp, that's your first round of installs. That's the

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Speaker 2: first rough draft of your offense and your defense. Then

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Speaker 2: they'll start recycling it and going back through things once

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Speaker 2: on the back end with Zavier McKinney, a veteran of

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Speaker 2: four years who's also learning this defense. Yeah, it's exciting.

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Speaker 2: And I think when you look at the reps and

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Speaker 2: long way for these rookies right out of the gate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think on the offensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs taking over as the number one running back

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Speaker 1: in this offenses. And as I wrote in the story

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Speaker 1: And when you look at the numbers in his five

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Speaker 1: You look at in the you know, the Aaron Jones

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Speaker 1: just wonder how this how this is going to evolve

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Speaker 1: far as you know the running game goes, because I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, Josh jacobs game is breaking tackles and things.

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Speaker 1: You know that that we're not going to see that

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Speaker 1: really going to have to wait, quite honestly, probably until

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Speaker 1: how he's going to look in the running game in

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Speaker 1: something to be watched very closely.

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Speaker 2: I like the trend that this happened with this league too,

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Speaker 2: because I remember, and you were a little bit older

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Speaker 2: I was watching the two thousand and three, two thousand

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Speaker 2: I remember when Green had all those catches for the

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Speaker 2: that they have to continually keep going to the running back?

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Speaker 2: There always was that sort of faux paw. It felt

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Speaker 2: like that if you're using your running back as a receiver,

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Speaker 2: that's probably an indictment on your receivers. But what's been cool,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know if it's David Johnson recently retired,

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Speaker 2: Pandora's box now. If you can get the ball in

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Speaker 2: think that's the future of the position now, because if

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Speaker 2: you want to last in this league, you have to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's a completely different as far as

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Speaker 2: Well, if you think about it, Mike, this is I

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Speaker 2: into that competition as well.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, a lot of special stuff. Right. Another another

433
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Speaker 1: specialist competition that'll be going on, and that's one that

434
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Speaker 1: you could see going certainly going all the way through

435
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Speaker 1: training season.

436
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Speaker 2: It went last year, I believe would be our hatcher

437
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Speaker 2: pretty much down with the stretch.

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447
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Speaker 1: out for another great story on packers dot com. If

448
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 1: you haven't checked it out yet, please do so. Wes

449
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 1: wrote a really interesting, compelling piece on Packer's third round

450
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Speaker 1: draft pick, Marshawn Lloyd, the running back out of usc

451
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Speaker 1: You talk to some of his old high school coaches,

452
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Speaker 1: you talk to his mom. The interview with his mom

453
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Speaker 1: sounds like based on the comments that were in the story,

454
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Speaker 1: the interview with his mom sounded pretty special. And yeah,

455
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Speaker 1: if you want to, you want to learn about everything

456
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Speaker 1: that Marshawn Lloyd has gone through to get to this

457
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Speaker 1: point and to h and to try to make the

458
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Speaker 1: most of his opportunity as a as a professional football player.

459
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Speaker 1: Be sure to check out Wes's story. It's on the website.

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Speaker 2: Now. The thing that's cool about this job, I wish

461
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 2: we could do it more, but it's just there's too

462
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Speaker 2: many players and not enough time. But it is neat

463
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 2: when you can dig your teeth into a player, a

464
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Speaker 2: person's back story. Yeah, and in understanding, Okay, you see

465
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Speaker 2: the person in the uniform, you see him with the

466
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Speaker 2: helmet on, you see him in their locker. What led

467
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Speaker 2: to them getting to this point? And when you look

468
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Speaker 2: at Marshawn Lloyd born in two thousand and one, Michael,

469
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Speaker 2: this thing is you and I were getting up there now.

470
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Speaker 2: But you know his mom, Nashan, I mean, who was

471
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Speaker 2: incredible for the interview, provided so much incredible anecdotes in

472
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Speaker 2: history and photos and did everything to bring life to

473
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Speaker 2: the story. You know, she drove, she made the decision.

474
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Speaker 2: You know they where they were in Middletown, Delaware. They

475
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Speaker 2: didn't have a lot of exposure. They were on travel teams.

476
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Speaker 2: They understood how that game works out there. You got

477
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Speaker 2: to find a high school that's going to get you

478
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Speaker 2: some looks. So what she did is she enrolled them

479
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Speaker 2: at Damatha down in Hyattsville, Maryland. So every morning two

480
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Speaker 2: hours they would drive down to Maryland and then drive

481
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Speaker 2: two hours back at night so that he could have

482
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Speaker 2: that opportunity to go to school there play for their

483
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Speaker 2: football team. Ended up becoming a five star recruit. There's

484
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Speaker 2: so much more that goes into his story, the bonds

485
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Speaker 2: that he forged. I mean, over time, you know, he

486
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Speaker 2: was able to At times he would stay with his coaches,

487
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Speaker 2: he would stay with his friends, you know, things to

488
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Speaker 2: help her schedule out a little bit. But at all times,

489
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Speaker 2: the thing I thought was the coolest was she made

490
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Speaker 2: that decision. He wanted to stay home, he wanted to

491
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Speaker 2: play with his friends. She made a decision, I'm gonna

492
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Speaker 2: do this for you because this is what's gonna be

493
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Speaker 2: the best interest in your future. When the time comes

494
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Speaker 2: and you're a big if you get to a college situation,

495
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Speaker 2: you can make that decision. She let him make that decision.

496
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Speaker 2: There was an acl injury, there was a transfer involved

497
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Speaker 2: in that, but ultimately a little over a few weeks

498
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Speaker 2: ago last month, that entire family in Delaware altogether heard

499
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Speaker 2: his name get called by the Green Bay Packers an emotional,

500
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Speaker 2: emotional time for them, and now he has an opportunity

501
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Speaker 2: here in Green Bay that he's been honestly working his

502
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Speaker 2: entire life for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a brief it's a brief snapshot too

504
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Speaker 1: in in sort of how things increasingly work these days

505
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Speaker 1: with regard to you know, young kids and what you

506
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Speaker 1: can be talking about football or basketball or other sports.

507
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Speaker 1: But you and I both covered at the Green Bay

508
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Speaker 1: Presca's that you and I both covered high school sports

509
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Speaker 1: for a number years. I did it at the Wallsaw

510
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Speaker 1: Daily Herald as well. And the way things work in

511
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Speaker 1: high school sports these days is just so different. You mentioned,

512
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Speaker 1: you know, his mom enrolling him at Damatha big you know,

513
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Speaker 1: powerhouse football program, well known and everything. Well, he had

514
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Speaker 1: to he had to catch some eyes at Damatha to

515
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Speaker 1: get that opportunity. It's not like his mom could just

516
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Speaker 1: walk up to the football coach and say, hey, I

517
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Speaker 1: got a I got a kid here. He's a pretty

518
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Speaker 1: good running back. I think he should be on your team.

519
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, these these kids have to have to,

520
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Speaker 1: you know, show something to get the opportunities they're looking for.

521
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Speaker 1: When they're twelve and thirteen years old in order to

522
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Speaker 1: you know, get to the places that you know, where

523
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Speaker 1: they're going to have the larger exposure. Now, it doesn't

524
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Speaker 1: work that way for everybody. We've seen plenty of plenty

525
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Speaker 1: of high school athletes in the state of Wisconsin. I

526
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Speaker 1: mean one from from nearby Kiwani here, Tanner Bordolini. You

527
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Speaker 1: know Kiwani High School, big star, went, played for the Badgers,

528
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Speaker 1: got drafted, you know, the whole thing. It still works

529
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Speaker 1: that way as well, but increasingly you hear more and

530
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Speaker 1: more stories about guys like Marshawn Lloyd and what they

531
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Speaker 1: did to to sort of, you know, come out of

532
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Speaker 1: the shadows and come out of the woodwork, so to speak,

533
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Speaker 1: to get some attention because otherwise they didn't really know

534
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Speaker 1: if anybody was ever going to find them or be

535
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Speaker 1: able to look at them. And and credit to Marshawn's

536
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Speaker 1: mom for having the dedication that she had, I mean

537
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Speaker 1: essentially a four hour commute, two hours each way every

538
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Speaker 1: day to get her son to that high school and

539
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Speaker 1: to be involved in that program, to get the exposure,

540
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Speaker 1: and ultimately he chooses South Carolina, finishes his college career

541
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Speaker 1: at USC again. Another part of the changing landscape of

542
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: that level of athletics these days. But but yeah, it

543
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: was just it was really it was really interesting just

544
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Speaker 1: to just to read about the whole journey kind of through,

545
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Speaker 1: like you know, from the junior high years and then

546
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Speaker 1: all the way through and and and as you said,

547
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Speaker 1: it's not like he had some smooth road in college either.

548
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: He tore in ACL. He's you know, trying to work

549
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: his way back and get playing time, and then he's

550
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Speaker 1: looking for maybe a better opportunity than South Carolina. He goes,

551
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Speaker 1: you know, goes to USC and then lo and behold,

552
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: he's on the same team as a childhood friend and

553
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: competitor in Caleb Williams, who ends up the number one

554
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Speaker 1: overall picking them.

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Speaker 2: And I think one part of the story I tried

556
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Speaker 2: to illustrate too. I mean, it was a minor upset

557
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Speaker 2: that he picked South Carolina. He went to play for

558
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Speaker 2: will must champ at South Carolina. I really liked the coaches.

559
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Speaker 1: Really like, yeah, it was his mom thought it was

560
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Speaker 1: going to be Georgia.

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Speaker 2: He had offers to Ohio State, he had offered a Texas,

562
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Speaker 2: he had offers basically everywhere he could. It was the

563
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Speaker 2: pick of the litter. In terms of where he wanted

564
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Speaker 2: to play, but he likes South Carolina and his mom

565
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Speaker 2: let him make that choice. Unfortunately, so he gets hurt.

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Speaker 2: In August of twenty twenty, South Carolina ends up only

567
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Speaker 2: having two wins. Will must Champ is fired after seven games,

568
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Speaker 2: and there were some changes there and he was looking

569
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Speaker 2: for that opportunity, not necessarily to be the premiere back.

570
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Speaker 2: You understand, you got to share these roles. In most cases,

571
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Speaker 2: you're not just going to get three hundred touches, and

572
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Speaker 2: I think in a lot of time now people don't

573
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Speaker 2: even want that many touches because of what it can

574
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: put on a young running back's body. But he found

575
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: an opportunity with USC and credit to Nashwan as well

576
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Speaker 2: as mom, she signs off on it. She takes the

577
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: five and a half hour across country flights, goes to

578
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Speaker 2: every single game that he plays with the Trojans, gets

579
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Speaker 2: her schedule to work. Zoom is a remarkable tool with

580
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 2: the field that she's in to be able to still

581
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Speaker 2: do her job. He has two extremely loving older sisters

582
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Speaker 2: that understood what had to be done. They both went

583
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Speaker 2: to school locally. One of them, Devinay, is actually two

584
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Speaker 2: years older than him. She was going to school right

585
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: in town while he was going to school in Maryland.

586
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 2: She was two years older. Like, everybody had to make

587
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: a sacrifice. And that's why I kind of when I

588
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: pubbed the story the first time, I think we're gonna

589
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: be doing more of it on Wednesday. The quote I

590
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Speaker 2: use from Nashan was, Marshawn played the games, and everybody

591
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Speaker 2: understood Marshan played the games, but everybody made sacrifices for

592
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: him to get there. And if I can just close

593
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Speaker 2: with this really quickly, his nephew, his sister Shenise's son,

594
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: come On, is like his biggest fan. He's six years old.

595
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: They bought him a little Packers hat right after he

596
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: got drafted. He's an Eagles fan Philadelphia. They're all were

597
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: away from Philadelphia or whatever. He's an Eagles fan. Okay,

598
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: still likes Eagles, but now he's a Packers fan because

599
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: that's where his uncle is playing. And he wears that

600
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: thing everywhere. Doesn't matter what the wardrobe is, he can

601
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: be wearing blue, orange whatever. He has that green Packers

602
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 2: hat on because it means that much to him and

603
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: he looks up to his uncle that much. So it's

604
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: a cool deal man, and I hope it works out

605
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: for him. And certainly when you listen to Daniel Jeremiah,

606
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: the hype that is behind him, the opportunity that people

607
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: feel like he has in Green Bay, especially working with

608
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs and AJ Dillon, whom he's already kind of

609
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: formed a friendship with. I think it's gonna be a

610
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: really good opportunity for him to not only realize a dream,

611
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: but now fulfill his true potential. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: An intriguing young man and one that we're excited to

613
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Speaker 1: see just where his pro career goes from here and

614
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,719
Speaker 1: now that he's now that he's here, and he certainly

615
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: has an opportunity. Yes, the Packers signed a new number

616
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Speaker 1: one running, but after that, there are a lot of

617
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: things to sort out here, and I think opportunity is

618
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Speaker 1: available for Marshawn Lloyd.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And you think it seems like yesterday, Man, it's

620
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Speaker 2: seven years ago now. But Aaron Jones comes in and

621
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Speaker 2: I will tell that story one hundred times. He's a

622
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: healthy scratch in week one, it's not one of the

623
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: three active for game day, and then he ends up

624
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: being the third all time rusher in team history. You

625
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: never know when you're gonna need a running back. The

626
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: Packers found somebody I think that compliments Jacobs and dealing

627
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: really well. And now you hope, like Brian Goodcunz always

628
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: talks about, you build that competition. You hope that grows

629
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Speaker 2: the room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Well with that, we'll call it a rap

631
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Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow

632
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Speaker 1: all of our coverage of OTAs this week. We'll have

633
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: it all for you on packers dot com and we'll

634
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: discuss our observations. What we see, what we hear from

635
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Speaker 1: Tuesday's practice will be on Thursday's show. So for Wes,

636
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Speaker 1: I am Mike, thank you for tuning in. Everybody, We

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Speaker 1: will see you next time.