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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationships and

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Speaker 2: what it's like to be siblings. We are a.

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Speaker 3: Sibling REIVALR No, no sibling. You don't do that with

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Speaker 3: your mouth.

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Speaker 2: Revely. That's good.

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Speaker 4: All.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited about this.

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Speaker 1: The Osbourne Brosbies, the Obs, the brothers Osborne actually.

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Speaker 3: Are very loved in Nashville.

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Speaker 1: And you know, my my team, my all, my music team,

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Speaker 1: they're all Nashville based, and I Scott.

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Speaker 3: From my manager Jake. He was like, you're gonna.

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Speaker 2: Love these guys. Do you know them?

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Speaker 3: So let's bring them a job. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know them at all, but I know that

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's John or TJ. But one

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Speaker 1: of them is like, wants to be your best friend,

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Speaker 1: and I think you're gonna love him. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: we need to hang. I think you're gonna find it

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Speaker 1: meet a new best time. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is very tempting. You know, I'm ten days

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Speaker 2: without a cocktail, which for me is like for really

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Speaker 2: four and a half years. Really, yeah, all the time,

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Speaker 2: and no cigarettes, no alcohol, that's crazy for him.

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Speaker 5: Well, I've had some cigarettes, but I've been off. Wait

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Speaker 5: did you quiz cigarettes and alcohol at the same time.

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Speaker 2: No, here's the thing. I don't I'm weird. I don't smoke.

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Speaker 2: If I don't drink, I need it. It's really interesting,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like if I have a

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Speaker 2: if liquor touches my lips, I'm like, where are my

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Speaker 2: American spirits? You know they do paarallell, they do, they.

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Speaker 1: Do, but fe oh see my problem, My problem with

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Speaker 1: cigarettes is it's coffee and cigarettes.

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Speaker 6: I used to be mine album.

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Speaker 3: So I wake up and I'm like, oh.

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Speaker 5: Well, do you have a stit on coffee in the morning.

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Speaker 2: I quit when I quit a long time ago.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I have to say.

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Speaker 1: I watched all of our the family barbecue this Sunday,

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Speaker 1: watch our brother smoke, our other brothers smoke, and I

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Speaker 1: was really impressed that you didn't have a cigarette.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 2: No, well, here's the thing, Like, I don't know lower

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Speaker 2: case a alcoholic. I'm not sure what I am right,

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Speaker 2: But I drink. I drink too much, meaning when I

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Speaker 2: do drink, I can't have two drinks. I have to

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Speaker 2: have twenty. You know what. I mean, like I feel

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Speaker 2: I cannot just go to and hey, cool, we're good.

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Speaker 2: I have to have twenty drinks and eighty cigarettes rather

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Speaker 2: than I don't have two drinks and two cigarettes.

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Speaker 5: I don't understand when pool I quit drinking, so I'm

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Speaker 5: drinking non alcoholic beer.

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Speaker 6: Wow, why you do? Why would you do that?

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Speaker 2: Forget it?

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Speaker 6: Just like I just want the calories.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, forget it.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's because I feel like if you

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Speaker 1: gone into the art of the drink, then maybe you

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Speaker 1: you would enjoy one drink and not five of them.

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Speaker 2: I guess. I guess if you like took.

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Speaker 3: The time to make a negroni or like.

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Speaker 2: A paper plane. Yeah, but I make ten. I make

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Speaker 2: ten nigronies.

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Speaker 6: You know, that's the thing, is all.

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Speaker 4: But that's like, yes, I mean that could be maybe

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Speaker 4: if you're bringing into a problem. But at the same time,

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Speaker 4: like I'm on the mind, like if almost why go

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Speaker 4: kind of part of the way, like I just.

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Speaker 2: I'm right there with you. And and by the way,

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Speaker 2: I'm a great drunk, meaning I can have seventy eight drinks.

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Speaker 2: No one's gonna know I'm drunk.

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Speaker 1: That's because you're drunk, Okay, I can tell you.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you.

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Speaker 1: I have moments with Oliver where sometimes I'm like, no, okay,

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Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah.

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Speaker 5: You know, so are you a happy drunk. I'm a

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Speaker 5: happy drunk.

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Speaker 2: I'm very happy. I'm fine.

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Speaker 6: I'm happy.

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Speaker 2: I have the best time ever.

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Speaker 5: The problem is, so, if you're an alcoholic and you're

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Speaker 5: a problem for someone else, I think that's really bad.

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Speaker 5: But if you're only really a problem for yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's by the way. I love this rational The

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Speaker 2: alcohol is this is so problematic.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, you know, I sometimes think about like our grandparents' generation.

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Speaker 2: They were all alcoholics.

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Speaker 3: They drank every night.

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Speaker 1: I mean my grandma drank a Scotch and water at

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Speaker 1: least two every night.

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Speaker 6: Everyone's he's actually fine, and we all prox it with this.

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Speaker 4: He had a little bit of cancer o dad with

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Speaker 4: radiation treatment, and everyone was like, how's your dad doing?

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, he's doing these this radiation treatment.

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Speaker 4: But I think the thing that's really killing him is

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Speaker 4: the radiation treatment is the fact that he can't drink beer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is no fun.

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Speaker 4: When he had his last radiation treatment, they all went

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Speaker 4: to the hospital to bring balloons and but his gift

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Speaker 4: was an eighteen packer Corps light.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, amazing. Okay, then we'll get off the alcohol. But

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Speaker 2: but I was just skiing and the Cores light.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: I would wake up and I was in Montana, and

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Speaker 2: I'd have like three cores lights and a couple of

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Speaker 2: fireball shots and then go the mountain and then I'm like, fuck, yes,

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Speaker 2: it is time to ski, baby, And then yeah, and

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Speaker 2: then I hit them. And then I have lunch and

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Speaker 2: have like a few Gen and Tonics and I'm like

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Speaker 2: fuck yeah. And then get home after skiing and then

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Speaker 2: make a couple of like tequila sodas and smoke a

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Speaker 2: thousand cigarettes. I'm like, it's the best fucking day.

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Speaker 6: It is.

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Speaker 2: And then and then after day seven, I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: I gotta get it together.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: And it's been ten days. And the thing is, I've

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Speaker 2: you never I've never felt you never felt better. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you feel incredible. You feel so good that you need

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Speaker 2: a drink. That's the thing. I think. I was like,

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Speaker 2: I don't feel hungover. I feel amazing, Like I get

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Speaker 2: right now better. I know a drink exactly.

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Speaker 1: I think we need to get rich Roll on this program.

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Speaker 1: I think it's time you have a counselor. I'm good,

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Speaker 1: I'm good. It's gonna be Osborne brother. Now are you

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Speaker 1: guys in Nashville right now?

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Speaker 2: Where are you are?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: This is uh, we're We're right down to Nashville. This

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Speaker 1: I was with Jake Basden last night, who just loves

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Speaker 1: you guys?

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Speaker 3: Who's my manager? And uh, a.

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Speaker 5: Few weeks ago, there's a really great sushi restaurant here

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Speaker 5: in Nasvill Club eighty eight, and he was at the

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Speaker 5: bar and we kind of had known each other for

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Speaker 5: a while, but I had forgotten that he was your manager.

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Speaker 5: And then I gilted him into guilting you guys.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy.

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Speaker 1: But wait is eight eight eight is eighty eighth the

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Speaker 1: place that does the Vinyl night Adi Vinyl.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I had sushi. I love that place.

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Speaker 6: It's really good, so good.

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Speaker 3: So you guys are from Maryland.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're East coast, East coast boys. We you know.

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Speaker 4: I think that's like, what was the weirdest thing for

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Speaker 4: everyone's like, how the hell are you get in the

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Speaker 4: country music being from Maryland? But it's like we're like

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Speaker 4: little We were up with Chesapeake Bay, a little small

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Speaker 4: watertown called Deal. It's like four thousand people, and uh

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Speaker 4: you know that's yeah, that's it. That's where we're from.

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Speaker 2: Good flounder fishing.

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Speaker 4: The.

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Speaker 2: Stripe ass some stripers. Yeah, I'm a huge fisherman. I

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Speaker 2: have a boat. I catch big tuna and I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: go I'm yeah, I'm cessed row. There sothern California is amazing.

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Speaker 2: In the last ten years, those big bluefin have just

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Speaker 6: You get big.

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Speaker 2: You know, two hundred three hundred pound er is like

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Speaker 2: forty miles off shore from fucking you going to do

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Speaker 2: that without drinking? I haven't done that yet. By the way,

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Speaker 2: I'm not quitting drinking, but I haven't. I haven't been

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Speaker 2: on my boat yet this season, so you know, well,

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Speaker 2: we'll see, we'll see. I want to go out this year.

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Speaker 3: I have I've never been on your boat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great.

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Speaker 3: Should we do a podcast from your boat?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be interesting.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 5: The sad reality is that TJ and I get horrifically

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Speaker 5: see sick. Do you well like on the bay if

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Speaker 5: it's not too choppy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And but we went.

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Speaker 5: We were in Key West and we went fishing for

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Speaker 5: mahi mahi, which was great fishing.

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Speaker 6: By the way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but if I if I can't see land anymore,

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Speaker 5: it is full on bunderfest. And of course we were hungover.

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Speaker 5: We were, Yeah, And at one point TJ and I

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Speaker 5: to each other on a cooler. He would throw up

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Speaker 5: and we would switch fish come back.

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Speaker 6: I would. We would swish, swish.

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Speaker 5: And I would go fish and it was fun about

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Speaker 5: an hour and then I never do it again.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing worse than being seasick. It's just fucking horrendous.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, when you're hungover and seasick, you

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Speaker 2: time I took a boat up from la up to Vancouver,

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Speaker 2: and we were more obey and tide went on that

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Speaker 2: all that, and I was like, uh oh, and I.

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Speaker 5: Hold on, did you took a boat from Vancouver? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean I didn't drive it. I was I was

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Speaker 2: on the boat helping sort of fair a millionaire my dad. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was incredible that it was incredible.

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Speaker 6: But like you, i'd be like bringing up help.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, is it Maryland? That is the Mason Dixon Line.

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Speaker 1: I you're not too far from right, you're kind of like.

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Speaker 6: Very good geography over here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're kind of just like.

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Speaker 5: Just south of it. We're like technically south of the

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Speaker 5: Mason Dixon Line, but we're far enough north where we

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Speaker 5: don't really give a ship. And I think it's like

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Speaker 5: maybe I think.

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Speaker 4: Kind of perfect for us though, because you know, like

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Speaker 4: even in like country, it's like, you know, we're not

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Speaker 6: We're not really rock. We're kind of in this like

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Speaker 6: On the other side of you have musicians.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was in a band years ago and

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Speaker 1: I was going through all my old music, like old music,

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Speaker 3: You got in there.

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Speaker 2: We can release it.

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Speaker 5: Were you both okay? After the fires? You guys are

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean fortunately, Yeah, I was right on the edge.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, his house burnt down.

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Speaker 5: It's all edited out material. But when we go there,

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Speaker 6: Time we go there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was saying before. You know, I've

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Speaker 6: Holy fun?

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Speaker 6: Here? You know it?

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Speaker 2: So you're you.

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Speaker 3: You grew up in a family of musicians. Your family

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Speaker 4: Musicians, they were, and they both tried to come to

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Speaker 4: You're you're so good at this, and then it fast

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Speaker 6: But when I was like eight, I was like, what

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Speaker 6: I was just like talking up, here's three years younger

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Speaker 5: He's like what so man, yeah, Bala.

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Speaker 3: It was just like a big They.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they're very close. So we slept in bunk

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Speaker 5: And I graduated high school and then the great irony

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Speaker 5: of that being fast forward until about fifteen years ago

448
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Speaker 5: we're back bed and but yeah, you know, I mean

449
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 5: we're very very close, very very tight.

450
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Speaker 6: You know.

451
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 5: We we love and ador each other like brothers. We

452
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 5: also fight like brothers. But you know, in terms of

453
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 5: sibling bands, we're doing pretty well. The you know, the

454
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 5: Oasis Gallagher Brothers saying anytime soon come close.

455
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Speaker 4: Well, I was going to ask you guys this actually

456
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 4: before the start, I was curious, like I don't know, like,

457
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 4: was you know we John and I we've been up

458
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Speaker 4: and about this. We talked about it in articles before.

459
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Speaker 4: I guess, but you know, there was a time where

460
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Speaker 4: we went we did like a couple's there. We like

461
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 4: went to a therapist together. We were hard and people

462
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Speaker 4: would be like a couple of I'm not kind of

463
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 4: it sounds weird, but it was like super incredibly helpful.

464
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Speaker 6: I don't know if that's cool.

465
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Speaker 3: I did that was Oliver once. It was a failed attempt.

466
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 5: It's hard for the other person when you're always right.

467
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Speaker 5: Am I wrong about this?

468
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I just like Kate her thing and you know, Oliver, Oliver,

469
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Speaker 2: why did we have a therapy?

470
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Speaker 1: Oliver can't hand when I feel hurt and have to

471
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Speaker 1: express it to him. It's like he can't deal with it.

472
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I'm not dealing with this. I can't

473
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Speaker 1: deal with it. I feel already I feel too much guilt,

474
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 1: too much shame for being a terrible brother, and now

475
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Speaker 1: that you feel hurt, I just don't want to hear it.

476
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Speaker 2: No, it's too formal. I don't like communicating like a therapist,

477
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 2: being like I feel that you did this and it

478
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 2: makes me feel this way, and I'd rather have a

479
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Speaker 2: normal conversation, not with a therapist.

480
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Speaker 3: Right exactly, Well, thank you for asking.

481
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Speaker 2: And then and then on top and then on top

482
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Speaker 2: of it, I get this from Kate all the time,

483
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Speaker 2: which you know, it's an impossible to penetrate. Hey, Kate,

484
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Speaker 2: you know I just here's my thing. I feel like

485
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Speaker 2: sometimes you can be condescending to me and you make

486
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Speaker 2: me feel like I'm not good enough or whatever I'm saying, Do.

487
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 3: You feel that way?

488
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 2: And then she goes exactly, she goes, well, I'm sorry

489
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 2: you feel that way. I'm like, oh, I hate it,

490
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: but that's such a bullshit.

491
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 3: What do you want me to say?

492
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 2: There is no taking accountability. That's not taking accountability for

493
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: someone's feelings. It's just saying, well, I'm right, but I'm

494
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 2: sorry you feel that way. Yeah, I'm sorry. You're such

495
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: a fucking idiot loser, right right, well exactly, I'm sorry

496
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 2: you feel that way. I'm like, what, No, what else.

497
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Speaker 3: Are you going to say?

498
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Speaker 2: I wo like, I didn't really think that I was

499
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: making you feel like that, and I would never want

500
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Speaker 2: to hurt.

501
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: But it doesn't, of course, not of course, But it

502
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Speaker 1: doesn't change the experience.

503
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 3: You're your experience. No, it doesn't. So my thing is

504
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Speaker 3: It's like if I have a boundary.

505
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Speaker 1: If I have a boundary, or if I have a

506
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Speaker 1: point of view and it's not liked or it's not

507
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: appreciated or it makes you feel bad, then you're in

508
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: that sort of thing where it's like, I hate that

509
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: this man makes you feel bad, but that is my boundary.

510
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: No, but you also have to take accountability that maybe

511
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: look inward and say, well, what did I do to

512
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 2: make him or whoever feel that way? Maybe I gave

513
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: you half, guys, I deserved it was my idea. It

514
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: was my idea.

515
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Speaker 6: I just want to say, I gave you the money.

516
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Speaker 2: It was my idea.

517
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Speaker 5: I had a lot of progress here, guys. I'm very proud.

518
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Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, I said, I'm so glad we had

519
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Speaker 1: you on.

520
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Speaker 3: You guys, I already can't wait to hang out with you.

521
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Speaker 2: I'm so excited. Hold on, I want to get into

522
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: Brother's therapy, which could be in a good title for

523
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 2: new album by the way, But you know Brother's therapy.

524
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Speaker 2: How what That's interesting? I've never how did that go?

525
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Speaker 6: Oh?

526
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Speaker 3: It's eleven? Eleven means not?

527
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Speaker 6: He was good.

528
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 4: I mean, here was a thing we kind of we

529
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 4: were like really at it like we couldn't even there

530
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 4: was a moment we literally could not be in the

531
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Speaker 4: same room with each other without.

532
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Speaker 2: One from a creative place. It did start with a

533
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Speaker 2: from a creative place.

534
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 4: I think a lot of things creative probably mixed in

535
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 4: with like ship when we were five. I don't know,

536
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 4: but like the one thing that was really interesting though

537
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 4: we're talk going too far into it, and hearers out

538
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 4: of everyone listening to this.

539
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 6: Is we were pissed.

540
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Speaker 4: And when we sat down with the therapist, he was like, man,

541
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Speaker 4: he's like, this is awesome. And I was like, what

542
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 4: do you mean this is awesome? Like we couldn't angry

543
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 4: and he was like, well, he's like, you guys are

544
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 4: so pissed off because you care so much. Like if

545
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 4: you all came in here and you were apathetic and

546
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 4: you didn't care at all, He's like, that would be

547
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 4: a huge problem and really challenging the picks. He said,

548
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 4: you guys, really, the reason why you're fighting with each

549
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 4: other is because you guys love each other so much.

550
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Speaker 6: Like, damn, that's some Jedi mind. What the hell was that?

551
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 6: I do?

552
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Speaker 4: Kind of like you know now, I do a lot

553
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 4: of times, not always we could we still get into it.

554
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 4: Believe me, I do. There are moments to be like,

555
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 4: you know what, Okay, we're getting, We're get this is

556
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 4: getting like we're button heads because we care.

557
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: Was hold on, take me back to the moment of

558
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: who was the one who said, you know what, brother,

559
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 2: I think we should go to a couple's therapy, Like

560
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 2: who said that?

561
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 6: Who?

562
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Speaker 5: And I'm not sure I know at the time I

563
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 5: was doing their manager.

564
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 6: On the wall. They're like, well, sixteen percent of zero

565
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 6: is zero, So.

566
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

567
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Speaker 5: At the time, I was already doing a lot of therapy.

568
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 5: I've been very open about my mental health and stuff

569
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 5: like that. I have dealt with anxiety and I leap

570
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Speaker 5: and bounces be really really great.

571
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Speaker 2: Me too, Me too, me too. I'm on lepro so.

572
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Speaker 6: Oh really, I'm on Symbalta so like it works. It's

573
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 6: been amazing.

574
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Speaker 2: Well, my antidepressant is better than your so funk off yeah.

575
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 6: Thinking.

576
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Speaker 5: You're better than mine.

577
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 6: And anyway, So but I was.

578
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 5: I did a lot of work and it was really

579
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 5: really helpful. So and there's a really great thing in

580
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 5: Nashville called Porter's Call, who who help a lot of

581
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 5: musicians and artists for free and it's funded by artists

582
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 5: in Nashville because you know, when you're up, you're just

583
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 5: you're struggling, and you can't afford the time of the

584
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 5: money to deal with mental health. So there was a

585
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 5: guy there that I had known for a long time

586
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 5: and he I just knew he was always really great.

587
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 5: And that's who we met with, this guy named cha

588
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 5: He is a godsend in the mental health community of Nashville,

589
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 5: and it was really really great. Of course I left

590
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 5: there being like, he didn't tell my brother he was

591
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 5: wrong one time. Show When you really do think about it,

592
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 5: it's like, he's right. Our intentions are the same, we

593
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 5: want it to be great. And then you know, so

594
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 5: you guys look like amazing siblings and you truly do

595
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 5: love each other, but there aren't moments of where it rubs.

596
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 6: Right.

597
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 5: Well, just imagine that you're pursuing a good music career together.

598
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 5: That rub just happens a lot and and a lot

599
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 5: of times. It stems from just lack of honest communication.

600
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 5: And that allowed us to be just a little bit.

601
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 6: More forthcoming with how you feel. And that's been a

602
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 6: huge help.

603
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 3: That's so great.

604
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 2: Was it a vulnerability issue, meaning like being able to

605
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 2: be truly vulnerable with each other beyond just making music

606
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: and with your feelings and say, hey, you know this

607
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: is how.

608
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Speaker 6: But you know you actually you touched this a little

609
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 6: bit earlier. I agree. I agree with you.

610
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 4: It seems like this, Oh it's like like poofy like

611
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 4: way of dealing with it. But the actual when you

612
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 4: do just say like, hey, it is you do it

613
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 4: doesn't make me feel this way.

614
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not the reason why.

615
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 4: I mean, at least for me that does work very well,

616
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 4: is it's not accusing them of doing something. It could

617
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 4: be on me that I feel this way. Yes, how

618
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 4: I'm feeling and it maybe totally irrational.

619
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Speaker 2: Well buddy, I'm sorry you feel that way.

620
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 6: That made me feel so good.

621
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 4: Okay, get anyhow, without going on on about it, we

622
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 4: highly recommend just for anyone individually.

623
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: No, I love this stuff. I think it's important. I mean,

624
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: I talk about it all the time. We've actually wanted

625
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: to do it with our whole family. God opportunity to

626
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: do that, that's that would be a lot of work,

627
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: but I imagine that.

628
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 6: Yeah.

629
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I feel like it's it's

630
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 4: kind of more scary than it is because it is

631
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 4: going to be hard work, but I feel like the

632
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 4: outcome of it, it seems like it would be really

633
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's like any a roller.

634
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: Coaster, Isn't it amazing?

635
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 4: Though?

636
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 3: The freedom there is in just like.

637
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Speaker 1: Being okay to allow someone to just be who they are.

638
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know.

639
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: That's like without without carrying any personalization or without taking

640
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: it on, just to just kind of be like it's

641
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: it's okay.

642
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 4: Well, I really have to do that with my parents,

643
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 4: you know, like because look, they're not during their seventies,

644
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 4: they're not changing, you know, like it's like, okay, mom.

645
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 6: That is so not something we say anymore. But you know,

646
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 6: we're I'll have a ton of time left here.

647
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do, and you realize like also like I think,

648
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: like I really, I'm a big believer in the three

649
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: generational households. And we grew up in a three generational household,

650
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 1: so we had Grandma and we had mom, and you know,

651
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: so we you know, we grew up with Grandma down

652
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: in the kitchen every morning, and and their stories, their

653
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: way of living, their perspective is so different from ours.

654
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: But then it's so important to understand it. Whether you like,

655
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: whether you agree with it or not, whether it's like

656
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: to have like a wife. There's so much wisdom in it,

657
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: whether it's something to change or whether it's something to

658
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: continue on.

659
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: You know.

660
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think that's only I think that's an

661
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 5: amazing perspective to have. But that's only something you realize

662
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 5: when you grow up and mature. You know, as a kid,

663
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 5: you'll get me the hell out of here. This is crazy,

664
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 5: and you know, then you grew up and realize actually

665
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 5: how formidable and important those things are. I think one

666
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 5: of the weirdest things growing up and becoming an adult

667
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 5: is when you realize that your parents are just people

668
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 5: and not parents. You know, when you're a kid, you think, oh,

669
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 5: this is my mom and dad. They're superheroes, they can

670
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 5: do anything. And then you realize, oh, they're just people

671
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 5: just trying to figure shit out. It's not an awakening.

672
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 5: And then you can really start to respect them as

673
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 5: the people they are versus having.

674
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 6: To respect them as parents.

675
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 5: And the same thing goes for anyone, like you know,

676
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 5: a grandmother or a grandfather. When we were kids, like

677
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 5: I said, we lived in a duplex and our dad's

678
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 5: mom lived next door with our uncle and their kids.

679
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 5: So that was the three generational thing. And she was

680
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 5: just a she was a bad bitch, man.

681
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 6: She was tough.

682
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 5: She smoke like all the time, she drank michelob heavy

683
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 5: like all day, played cards, watched she was a huge

684
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 5: fan of the Washington Redskins.

685
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm like a marriage Washington Redskins.

686
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 6: A bad bitch.

687
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 5: And when you're around that as a kid growing up,

688
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 5: you realize like, oh man, that's that's like, there's there.

689
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 5: That's a type of tough that you have to kind

690
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 5: of witness at that age.

691
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

692
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 6: Every everyone's grandparents had these.

693
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 4: It was like really huge, random like orkard spoon that

694
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 4: was made out of wood.

695
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: That's so funny. Yes, I know exactly what you're talking.

696
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 6: But every time, man, she would grab that big ass

697
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 6: spoon and we were like, she would whip your ass.

698
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, But she grew up tough.

699
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 5: And this goes to your point, Kate, that being subjected

700
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 5: to those those different generations allows you the perspective that

701
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 5: you need because even just the fact that our great

702
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 5: our grandparents and great grandparents lived in times of actual war,

703
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 5: you know, and it just changes you and how you

704
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 5: are and how you're raised and they passed that down.

705
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also think that's why history too is

706
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: so important. But knowing your own history, like it is

707
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: a part of like who you. You wonder like where

708
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: do I get my grit? Like where does that.

709
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: Really come from? You know? Yeah?

710
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: But also like I we drive to Colorado all the time,

711
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: and this last time I drove, I just had this

712
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: this like thing about America where it's like, we're so

713
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: fucking crazy that we decided in order for a better

714
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: life to drop everything we have and risk risk traveling

715
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: hundreds of miles with wagons and horses to like for

716
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: our half of our family to perish for a for

717
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: a bet, for more, and they're still doing.

718
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's just it's it's it's it's it's just.

719
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: It's amazing to know, you know how, And that wasn't

720
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: that long ago, you know.

721
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: My semi semi recently just finished a book called Undaunted Courage,

722
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: which is about Lewis and Clark, and it's a fucking

723
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: thousand page but their entire expedition and how it's incredible.

724
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just unbelievable read really amazing.

725
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 5: All the things that had to go right in order

726
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 5: for that to happen.

727
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it.

728
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 5: You know, it's so much of it is happenstance. It's

729
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 5: just kind of all happened. And then you know it's

730
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 5: like you go and your parents, your parents, parents, their

731
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 5: parents parents to keep going back. I mean, you remember

732
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 5: playing Oregon Trail as a kid. I just feel like

733
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 5: dysentery was fucking everywhere everyone's you know, and so your

734
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 5: ancestors is just like I just kind of avoided dysentery

735
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 5: and and you know, like they're having plagues throughout history

736
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 5: and it's just war like You've managed to make it

737
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 5: through all that. Your your history has brought you here.

738
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: And I think too, like why we're so fascinated with

739
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: the family dynamic is like that informs every choice you make.

740
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.

741
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: Like and the person you're sitting next to you, your bro,

742
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: and the person that you know couldn't make it here

743
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: today to my house, my bro is like a.

744
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 2: Huge part of what.

745
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: Will inform generations to come.

746
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, but there's patterns that need to

747
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: be you know, admired and broken. You know what I'm saying.

748
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: And I think that you know, and I've done a

749
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: ton of work on myself as well, and I think

750
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: that you know, there are certain moments where you look

751
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: at your past and say, I'm not going to be that,

752
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 2: and then there are certain things that you want to emulate.

753
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 2: But I also think that there needs to be some

754
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 2: compassion and forgiveness in the people who have created bad patterns,

755
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: because if you go back one more generation, you realize

756
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: where the fuck they came from.

757
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 5: Exactly, total, exactly, And that's a really good point because

758
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 5: you have to realize that we have the luxury of

759
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 5: being able to take the time to fix those things.

760
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 5: You go back a generation or two or three, they

761
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 5: didn't have that time, I mean euro Or you look

762
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 5: at the Great Depression. Yeah, you look at just you know,

763
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 5: the Vietnam era, the civil rights hear, all these things.

764
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 5: I mean, people still kind of are just like trying

765
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 5: to make ends me and lucky that we are in

766
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 5: a place where we're afforded just the time and also

767
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 5: the resources to change those things, and those will have

768
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 5: impact the impact.

769
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: Well not only that, but just a deeper recognition about

770
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: the human condition and mental health and understanding that these

771
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: are things that needs to be that need to be

772
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 2: tackled you know, when my dad's dad bailed on him,

773
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: my dad had no tools, there was no there was

774
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: no therapist. There was no one saying, hey, Billy, you

775
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: know you need to we need to get through this.

776
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like that just didn't fucking

777
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: happen back then. So you're gonna repeat people.

778
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 5: Go, who's your therapist? That's a converse, and you're like,

779
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 5: this is amazing that people ask that. When we were kids,

780
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 5: that was something you just don't talk about.

781
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 4: I mean, and probably the biggest problem now is it's

782
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 4: I mean it is therapy is just sadly a luxury.

783
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 4: I mean, there's just most people could never afford it.

784
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

785
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, how has it changed your writing?

786
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 6: Like therapy? Yeah?

787
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: Do you think like being more in like do you

788
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 3: think like, well.

789
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: It's kind of changed their news. It's their new albums

790
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: called Brothers Therapy, and the first single is Patterns.

791
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: I mean it's perfect, No, But I mean do you

792
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: think like the more do you think, like do you

793
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: find that like because I find that sometimes a lot

794
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: of artists need to live in a more chaotic type

795
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: of state to access a certain type of writing.

796
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 5: There is there certainly is that but it's not that

797
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 5: you haven't lived it. You know, it's always a lived

798
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 5: experience that you have. And as many much so I

799
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 5: would like to forget certain things you can't and you

800
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 5: can always access that, and I think accessing it is

801
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 5: actually quite healthy, and writing about it becomes quite cathartic,

802
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 5: and it's just that becomes another form of therapy. Talking

803
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 5: about like we're doing is another form of therapy. So

804
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 5: it all, it's all something that is still a part

805
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 5: of you. Even if you're in a better place, you

806
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 5: can still access those things if you're willing to.

807
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's the thing.

808
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 4: Just having the confidence, I think, to be able to

809
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 4: go somewhere that may be vulnerable or might make you

810
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 4: feel like like weak or something. You know, I think

811
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 4: you kind of get to a point in your life

812
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 4: where you do have a lot of strength in your

813
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 4: and your weaknesses and acknowledging them. And you know, as

814
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 4: far as writing is in that regard, I mean, or

815
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 4: creating anything, you don't want any guard rails, you don't

816
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 4: there's not like you don't want any area you can access.

817
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I feel.

818
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 4: Like that is really something that the luxury that we

819
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 4: have later in our lives now where it doesn't seem

820
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 4: like there really isn't anywhere we can't go if we

821
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 4: want to.

822
00:38:55,040 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: When did you start making music together as adults? Like

823
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: you you both had solar careers, right, yeah.

824
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, so and a brief synopsis of how it happened.

825
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 5: I came down to Nashville first. He came down to

826
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 5: Nashville not long after that. I was going to school

827
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 5: here at Belmont and he was like kind of living

828
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 5: in my dorm room at Belmont. He was also sixteen.

829
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 5: Just telling everyone that he was. I said he had

830
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 5: a little voice at nine. So at the time was

831
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 5: and so yeah and then sounded like.

832
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 6: Sounded like.

833
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 5: Yeah uh but yeah. So I was in a separate band.

834
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 5: That's in this band. That's how I ended up writing

835
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 5: with your uncle Mark. First side project, t J was

836
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 5: signed to the same publishing company. We were writing a

837
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 5: lot of songs for the band that I was in.

838
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 5: The band fell and disbanded. At the time, he was

839
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 5: getting some notoriety in town. We started playing shows together.

840
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 5: People thought that we were doing the duo thing, but

841
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 5: we hadn't discussed it, and people kept showing up being like,

842
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 5: we love that you guys are finally doing a band together,

843
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 5: but we're not doing the.

844
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 4: Band, which you know, it's the slight sidebar, but it's

845
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 4: still relevant. Is our mom ever since the beginning she

846
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 4: wanted her children in a band together?

847
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 2: Of course, Yeah, I mean that's gonna be every parent's dream, like.

848
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 4: But there's no way you could listen to your mom,

849
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, I'm not doing that, like you, I

850
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 4: don't know what you're talking about. And yeah, I was

851
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 4: doing these solo shows, but I would always have him

852
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 4: play guitar because he was, you know, badass. And then

853
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 4: when we would finish, everyone would always be like, you

854
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 4: guys together, not really acknowledging that there was it wasn't

855
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 4: a duo, but they would always talk about it like

856
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 4: it was, and we were like, man, maybe it is

857
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 4: supposed to be this. And then honestly to you know,

858
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 4: a total lesson in admitting you're wrong and your mom's right.

859
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 6: Is that we.

860
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 4: Uh we as soon as we joined like the duo thing,

861
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 4: and everything just started like happening, like falling in place

862
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 4: really fast.

863
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 6: Yeah.

864
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was your first moment of like like note,

865
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: like like real noticeable, like after a show or maybe

866
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: a meeting or something like like, oh, like where you're like, oh,

867
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: we're we're in this, like this is happening kind of.

868
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 5: I mean near the time where we got signed to

869
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 5: our publishing deal together again, there's a lot of buzz.

870
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 5: He was signing with this publisher and town named Kelly King,

871
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 5: and then they were hashing out a deal and we

872
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 5: were doing so much stuff together that they were like, hey,

873
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 5: we kind of we want to sign you both. So

874
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 5: the business in a way was already kind of pushing

875
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 5: us together. We weren't fighting it because we played together

876
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 5: since we were it didn't seem like something that we

877
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 5: had to think about. And at that point it was like, okay,

878
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 5: once you put pen and paper and ink and contracts

879
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 5: and lawyers and ship, so then it feels really you know,

880
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 5: it felt like a marriage in a well in a way,

881
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 5: and and then that's when we were like, okay, we

882
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 5: we fully fully committed to that, and it was off

883
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 5: to the races ever since. It's obviously it's something that

884
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 5: we should have listened to when we were much younger,

885
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 5: but in a way, I wouldn't have changed a thing.

886
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 4: Well, her original idea, I will say, is she she

887
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 4: would say, uh, you say, I'm TJ Osborne and he'll say,

888
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 4: and it was all supposed to be our sister in there,

889
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 4: and she will say, I'm Natalie Osborne and we're the siblings.

890
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: Oh no, little yeah.

891
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: Like we love you, mom, but.

892
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: Like great pitch, great pitch.

893
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: When when you write, do you write you write with

894
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: other artists as well?

895
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 2: Do you always do it together? Do you ever separate

896
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: and write with artists?

897
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 5: We initially wrote a lot together, but lately, just because

898
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 5: we don't have time we write, we've been writing a

899
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 5: lot separately and it's been going well.

900
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 6: It's been.

901
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 4: It's been interesting because you know, obviously we have different

902
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 4: influences and things we want.

903
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 6: To say, and there has been this.

904
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 4: The strangest thing of it all is that for this

905
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 4: project we've actually written a part for the majority of it.

906
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 4: We've always written together previously, and I feel like somehow

907
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 4: it's like, so far, the most us sounding music we've

908
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 4: ever made.

909
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 6: It's interesting.

910
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 4: We've been kind of always musically all over the place,

911
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 4: a little like and not necessarily want to be. We

912
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 4: just like so many different types of music. There might

913
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 4: be one country leaning when it feels like more soul

914
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 4: or whatever. But this is oddly the most like focused

915
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 4: sounding music we've ever done, or not we're writing it separately,

916
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 4: which is I don't know.

917
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: Wow, No, But when you say you're writing it separately,

918
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: are you writing it with other writers or just just

919
00:43:59,520 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: you guys.

920
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes we write with you know, like one of

921
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 5: the songs on this album, like I wrote by myself.

922
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 5: I will do that kind of thing, but we have.

923
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 5: There are certain writers in town that we've written have

924
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 5: written with for so long that they just know us.

925
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 5: You know, writing with someone for the first time is fun,

926
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 5: but it's just a little awkward.

927
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 6: You have to get to know them. They're learning you.

928
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 5: It's just a kind of a blind date. These writers

929
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 5: that we write with normally, we've written with for over

930
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 5: a decade, and there's no wondering what we're about. They

931
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 5: know what we're about and they've written. There's one in particular,

932
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 5: this guy named Lee Thomas Miller is one of our

933
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 5: favorite writers in the world. He just know, he knows

934
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 5: everything about us, We know everything about him. He might

935
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 5: as well be a family member at this point, and

936
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 5: so when we're writing separately, he's almost like the third

937
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 5: brother or the third Beatle, and it just works. And

938
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 5: I think building those relationships over time has been very helpful.

939
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: Well, when you when you're writing together the when you're

940
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: writing separately. I mean, is there a concept that you

941
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: have in mind for the album towards like, well, here's

942
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: kind of conceptually where we're at.

943
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 6: It's a great question.

944
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 4: Is actually probably points to why I think has been

945
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 4: so focused is we've kind of have made a bit

946
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 4: of like a return to where we started, like a

947
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 4: little bit musically and also just the direction. I mean

948
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 4: when we first started off, I mean we were just

949
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 4: kind of leaving our hometowns, like we were going to bigger,

950
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 4: better things in our minds, and then we've kind of

951
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 4: like have come full circle and we're like, you know,

952
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 4: we love where we're from and it was a huge

953
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 4: influence on us, and the people around us were a

954
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 4: huge influence on us, and we've kind of returned to the.

955
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 6: Influence of that.

956
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 4: So really kind of all you can kind of trace back.

957
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 4: Some of them are specific, some of them are a

958
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 4: little bit more ambiguous, but it is a very family,

959
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 4: small town focused to It kind of goes back to that,

960
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 4: like you know what our dad was, you know, a

961
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 4: self employed plumber or mom was like a contracted uh, hairdresser,

962
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 4: and so there was this thread within us even still

963
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 4: for us, we even though we're doing music, it is

964
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 4: we're still like these kind of sole proprietors or whatever

965
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 4: and kind of this you know, trap it up by

966
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 4: your bootstraps and get it done kind of songs. And

967
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 4: so it feels very focused in that way, which is

968
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 4: probably you know too. I'm glad you asked that, because

969
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: I think that has a lot to do with why

970
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 4: it is sounding a certain way, because we are very

971
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 4: focused on what we.

972
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 6: Want it to be.

973
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: Let me guess the title and crab cake close we

974
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: have it.

975
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 5: We have crabs, but we have crabs.

976
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 6: That would be that would be an amazing if you

977
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 6: could still do hidden tracks.

978
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: Well, you can create a separate genre called crabcake country

979
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: that's actually really good, very crabcake country. It's like it's

980
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: sort of a subgenre of country music, Maryland country country.

981
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: So TJ, I can't we have I have to tap

982
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: on this because it's such a huge I mean, it's

983
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: a very admirable you're coming out, you know, in country music.

984
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: You were like the first you know, country music sort

985
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: of sort of signed country music to a major label

986
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:35,959
Speaker 1: to come out as gay.

987
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 6: Did what what?

988
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: And I just wonder like how, I just want to

989
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: I like, how did that? Was it just like a

990
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: no brainer you just had to do it? Or was

991
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: it like was it really heart challenging for you? Were

992
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: you scared?

993
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: I have so many questions.

994
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I could talk with this for a

995
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 4: long time, but I mean I guess you know. Yeah,

996
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 4: So I was really fearful. I knew I always wanted

997
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 4: to come out. In fact, John had referenced earlier where

998
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 4: we sat down and signed the contract together and before

999
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 4: that happened, I actually came out to him then, like

1000
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 4: before we are like contractually bound to one another, you

1001
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 4: need to know that I'm gay.

1002
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 6: And it was really sweet. He's like, you know, he knew,

1003
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 6: and we had a very emotional moment.

1004
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 4: But I was like, I don't intend on staying closet forever,

1005
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 4: Like I have to do this now. My kind of

1006
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 4: goal the whole time was like I wanted to have

1007
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 4: success and kind of do it at the height of

1008
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 4: our career. And then it was like, well, how the hell.

1009
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 6: Do you know? You're at the height of your career.

1010
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 4: You don't know what to down And so I was like, well,

1011
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 4: you know, the whole thing of what I didn't want

1012
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 4: to have. The biggest thing that was the hardest for

1013
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 4: me actually was emotionally. I was at peace with myself

1014
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 4: for the most part. My family close, the people that

1015
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 4: needed to know new I had had relationships. I had

1016
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 4: come to peace with myself. It was the fact that

1017
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 4: I just didn't want it to really look opportunistic. But

1018
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 4: the problem is there's always something to promote. There's like

1019
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 4: an album we just released, or there's a tour about

1020
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 4: to happen, or a single will be just put out

1021
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 4: or and so it was really really challenging to figure

1022
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 4: out when that space happened. And honestly, Covid really made

1023
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 4: that room for me. And in that moment, there was

1024
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 4: no touring, We'd put out an album already and we

1025
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 4: weren't going to release one for a while, and I'm like,

1026
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 4: this is the best window of opportunity I'm probably ever

1027
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 4: going to have. And it was like, let's just take

1028
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 4: a leap of faith and do this. And I will

1029
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 4: say I think probably what people you use the word

1030
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 4: having the courage or whatever, but what really gave it

1031
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 4: to me wasn't innate. It was actually the people around me,

1032
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 4: like John my manager, people that had something about really

1033
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 4: something to lose themselves who didn't have one even well, what, well,

1034
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 4: maybe you should wait till it was Everyone was just like,

1035
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 4: we got you, we love it, and you know, it

1036
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 4: was time. And so when it happened, it was also

1037
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 4: it was just it was there was so many things

1038
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 4: that that were going on and about it. But I

1039
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 4: tell you it was really weird. It's some of the

1040
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 4: articles written. I wasn't I wasn't allowed to see it

1041
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 4: until it was released. It was came out through Time

1042
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 4: magazine and they were like, you can't see the pictures,

1043
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 4: you can't see anything because you and I was like,

1044
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 4: And so then they were like, well, this article is

1045
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 4: going to go live and no one They're like, I

1046
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 4: think it will go live tomorrow.

1047
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 6: But if we were in the middle of.

1048
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 4: The election, which was another thing of do I want

1049
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 4: to come out in the middle of this, We're like, well,

1050
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 4: if there's some bombastic news between Biden and Trump, we're

1051
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 4: already get bumped out for that obviously, And so I

1052
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 4: was like, which, by the way, that was happening every week,

1053
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 4: So I was like, what is this going to happen

1054
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 4: or not?

1055
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 6: So when the article came live, I was like.

1056
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 4: My manager was like, it just She's like, it just

1057
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 4: went went up, and I was like, I felt like

1058
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 4: literally the errors.

1059
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 6: Was like.

1060
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 4: And then my phone was blowing up and I'm reading

1061
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 4: the article and I'm like crying and I'm laughing, and

1062
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 4: it was like this thing that I did not expect

1063
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 4: to have in that moment. I kind of originally I

1064
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 4: just wanted to do it and not talk about it

1065
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 4: and just get on with my life. Like I felt

1066
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 4: totally different the minute it happened. I was like, no,

1067
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 4: I want to talk about this, for it's not visibility

1068
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 4: if I don't. And secondly, you know, in that article

1069
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 4: Sam Lanski wrote and I came to not Sam through

1070
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 4: Jason Owen, manager and Sam it was the simplest thing,

1071
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 4: the most simplest things are always right here. But I

1072
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 4: was like, you know, it's just a small part of

1073
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 4: me that I'm gay. It's not like you know, who cares.

1074
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 4: And he was like, well what if it isn't Like

1075
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 4: what if it's actually the biggest part of you? And

1076
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 4: I was like, I never I think I minimized it

1077
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 4: so much like it yeah, And I'm like, well it

1078
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 4: is it is a huge part of me, you know,

1079
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 4: And I minimized this about me just to feel better

1080
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 4: about it.

1081
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: It must have felt like you finally got like your

1082
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: first biggest breath of air, but like in terms of

1083
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 1: like you know, like a huge weight being lifted off,

1084
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 1: but all of that emotion, but finally, like you say,

1085
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: like being able to actually be able to just talk

1086
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: about it.

1087
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you don't reference it actually into an earlier

1088
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 4: thing you talked about. But I didn't want to go

1089
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 4: up get in the weeds with this, at at least

1090
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 4: in reference to whatever we were speaking about at the moment.

1091
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 4: But is we were talking about just kind of places

1092
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 4: you go creatively, and I felt like it was really

1093
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 4: stifling to me creatively when I would write, because there

1094
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 4: were so many topics I would avoid because I didn't

1095
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 4: want to make questions about it, like I would know.

1096
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 4: All of our music for the most part, it's always

1097
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 4: been kind of non binary because of that, which actually

1098
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 4: ended up being a beautiful byproduct of our music. Is

1099
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 4: that way so kind of a lot of people can

1100
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 4: see themselves the narratives narrative, but I, you know, in

1101
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 4: that regard, I was like, holy cow, like being on

1102
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 4: stage I was. I never realized I was having these

1103
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 4: like micromanaging moments in my mind and split seconds where

1104
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 4: I may not do a gesture that I thought might

1105
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 4: be perceived as unmasculine or something. You know, These aren't

1106
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 4: things I was conscious of until I didn't have to

1107
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 4: do it anymore, and I was like, holy shit, Like

1108
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 4: I could go out on stage.

1109
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 2: And I wanted to do Did you get any negative

1110
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 2: sort of feedback or haters or just you know, assholes? Essentially, no, yes,

1111
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: and no.

1112
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 4: We had kind of because we knew we wanted we

1113
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 4: wanted to do this from kind of jump. We had

1114
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 4: really slowly like curating a fan base that we knew

1115
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 4: would probably be pretty accepting of it. Or our first

1116
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 4: big hit was Stay a Little Longer God. And I

1117
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 4: look back now like the balls we had, like we

1118
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 4: we in context now this doesn't seem that crazy, but

1119
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 4: then there was We had like a couple in there,

1120
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 4: an interracial couple in there, and all these things that

1121
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 4: now seem kind of like who cares, But at the

1122
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 4: time it fucking pissed people. So they didn't want to

1123
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 4: kill literally wanted to kill us. Really, yeah, we had

1124
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 4: like death threats and so I was like, well, do

1125
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 4: you think that's crazy?

1126
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 6: Give it?

1127
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 3: Give it?

1128
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 6: Uh, and so in the house.

1129
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 4: So by the time we kind of got here, I

1130
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 4: don't think it was necessarily like you know, we kind

1131
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 4: of were okay with shedding some of.

1132
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: Those yeah early on that we knew were yeah yeah.

1133
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 6: So yes.

1134
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 4: However, you know, there's a lot of people that are

1135
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 4: going to hate anyways. I mean, you guys, I'm sure

1136
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 4: know this as well as anyone. And we get asked

1137
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 4: all the time like when did you guys first feel

1138
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 4: like you were successful? And we always say like when

1139
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 4: we got haters, when people started talking shit, like we're

1140
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 4: doing something in habitably. People are always saying something mean

1141
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 4: or making something about whatever.

1142
00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 2: But the country music community at large is very receptive.

1143
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 4: Extremely so. And in fact, people that I didn't even expect,

1144
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 4: some of the more conservative artists, yeah, who were really

1145
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 4: super super cool with me. And it's been Yeah, it's

1146
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 4: been quite a wonderful experience.

1147
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's amazing and and and and there's

1148
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, I I know like in certain parts, like

1149
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: the four Corners of the US, you know, certain things

1150
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: have been more acceptable at times, but like you're that

1151
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: that that there's certain moves that people make that like

1152
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: open you open the floodgate for a lot of different

1153
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: artists and so done that.

1154
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,240
Speaker 6: I've seen a lot of gay country artists.

1155
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 3: It's just amazing.

1156
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, and now you did. There's quite a few in

1157
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 5: the Nashville and I don't think they would have had

1158
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 5: that ye courage without him doing with It's amazing.

1159
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 4: Certainly encouraged me that I had seen at the time,

1160
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 4: you know, like a very well known uh like radio

1161
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 4: personality and and CMT liked the Island had came out

1162
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 4: not that long ago, and it was super encouraging. And

1163
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 4: then artist songwriters, I'm sure you've probably written with Kate

1164
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 4: or like seeing like Shane McAnally.

1165
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 6: And people who were who are figures.

1166
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 4: From like kind of the underbelly of Nashville that had

1167
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 4: become like really well known and just had these very

1168
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 4: seamless lives and you know, and there is and there

1169
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 4: tends to always be this kind of thing where people

1170
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 4: it was like the first, like he was the first,

1171
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 4: you know, the whatever category of this person to ever

1172
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 4: do this, and some people have gotten twisted about that,

1173
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 4: and I feel like it's it's a little it kind

1174
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 4: of is distracting from what real narrative is. To me,

1175
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 4: I don't really To me, it was like not about

1176
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 4: being the last, you know, I don't really give a

1177
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 4: ship whether I was the first or the fourth, or

1178
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 4: the eighth or whatever.

1179
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 6: I just believe.

1180
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 4: And you know, me and and our family friend Fancy,

1181
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 4: who's openly gay, amazing artists.

1182
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: I love that name that I always named my daughter Fancy.

1183
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: Well I did Fancy Fuji Cow and everybody's like, you're nuts,

1184
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I.

1185
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 2: Love that name.

1186
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 6: Pretty amazing. I think he named himself in this instance.

1187
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 4: But however, I you know, I think was this kind

1188
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 4: of he had mentioned this, and I think it's right

1189
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 4: spot on. Is this is just to get to a

1190
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 4: place of where it's just not even doesn't even need

1191
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 4: to be mentioned. Say to me, they're like, who cares?

1192
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 4: Stop talking about it? No one cares. And I'm like, sweetie,

1193
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 4: I wish they didn't. For the world that wished it

1194
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 4: was not a thing to me, believe.

1195
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 2: Do you have you had other artists confide in you

1196
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: about their sexuality and ask you so does I'm not

1197
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: ready to do this yet, but how did you do it?

1198
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 2: And you know anything like that? Yeah, I mean there

1199
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: has been obviously not outing outing people, of course not,

1200
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying just generally.

1201
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 4: I think there has mostly what I've gotten as people

1202
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 4: that have been like hey, thanks, like like it's mostly

1203
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 4: from the fans, like not even artists or people who

1204
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 4: were like, you know, I've always loved country but always

1205
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 4: felt uncomfortable being at the shows or like I never

1206
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 4: really that makes me feel so good, like people can

1207
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 4: have someone that makes them, you know, I've had a

1208
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 4: couple of people who were like who did come out

1209
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 4: that posts were like, you know, you were one of

1210
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 4: the people that helped encourage me, and that is that

1211
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 4: means more than any of them with our careers, I

1212
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 4: mean just in music in general, it's like being able

1213
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 4: to have an impact on someone's life and a positive

1214
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 4: effect is just always I mean, it's really it's the

1215
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 4: you originally want to go and be like, oh I

1216
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 4: want to be successful and I want to you know

1217
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 4: kind of like man, when these when those things happen,

1218
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 4: you realize, holy shit, that's really what it's about.

1219
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,959
Speaker 1: What an amazing thing to also like you know, you're

1220
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: again it's it's like there's nothing there's there's nothing self serving.

1221
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 3: About the need for you and the thing.

1222
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: For you to have to just be open with you

1223
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: who you are, transparent, like just like that freedom, but

1224
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: not to know the kind of impact that it actually

1225
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: would made would have made on others. You know. It's

1226
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: like that that is the purest form of like how

1227
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: to really make a difference for people is when it's

1228
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: just coming from the most honest place of like you

1229
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: weren't even thinking the kind of impact it could have made.

1230
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 4: You know, That's what some people are like, that's amazing,

1231
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 4: and that's there's some part of me that actually it's

1232
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 4: like it does almost feel a little more selfish.

1233
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 6: I mean I had to like right for me like

1234
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 6: I was.

1235
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 4: And the other thing that was really tore me up

1236
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 4: is people that were around me who felt like they

1237
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 4: had was like their cross to bear, and I'm like, guys,

1238
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 4: like there was someone who accidentally out of me once

1239
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 4: and he came to me. He was like he was

1240
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 4: I feel horrible. I thought this person knew and I'm like, brother,

1241
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 4: like it's fine, Like you don't have to lose a

1242
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 4: second of sleep. You shouldn't, like it's not you know,

1243
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 4: if you've done it in malice, I would probably be.

1244
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, this is bullshit that

1245
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 4: you know we're close John and I we have always

1246
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 4: been very like who we.

1247
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 6: Are, unabashedly uh. And you know, I felt.

1248
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 4: Like this one thing is just like really it's conflicting

1249
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 4: with like just who we are, you know, and and

1250
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 4: it was just time.

1251
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 6: I was like, this has to happen.

1252
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 4: And you know again, I feel like it has made

1253
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 4: the bond stronger with those around me. Some people that

1254
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 4: maybe didn't felt like they didn't really know me very

1255
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 4: well because I kept my distance for for this reason

1256
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 4: and man like the right relationship has gotten better. But

1257
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing is honestly with our fans.

1258
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 4: I feel like my relationship with them has gotten like

1259
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 4: so honest and it's really brought like a closeness I

1260
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 4: feel like, which I was hiding from so much. I

1261
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 4: did not want to get close to a lot of

1262
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 4: people that I didn't trust. Yeah, it's like pretty pretty

1263
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 4: bad to see.

1264
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 5: Their support was amazing coming out and support of TJ,

1265
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 5: and it felt it was it made our relationship so

1266
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 5: much stronger. And you have a love and appreciation for

1267
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 5: them already because they're taking the time out of their

1268
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 5: lives and spending money to come see you. But that

1269
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 5: felt like so so purposeful and honest and sincere, and

1270
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 5: that was just an amazing moment to witness.

1271
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 6: And our mom finally accepted that.

1272
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 4: She you know, for the longest time, she was like

1273
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 4: she when I first came out to her, she said,

1274
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 4: I said, you know, I told her.

1275
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 6: She goes, oh, no, you're not. I'm like, oh, you're not.

1276
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 4: And then she was like, well is your sister guy?

1277
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, hell, you know, like what the help they

1278
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 4: seen the way I dressed. There's like, there's no way

1279
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 4: that dude. Yet, you know I was I was like,

1280
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 4: you know, I was talking someone. I said, it takes

1281
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 4: sometimes your parents a lot of time to come around

1282
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 4: to it. I was like, you know, my mom, it

1283
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 4: took her many years to uh, you know, finally come

1284
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 4: to terms with it. She's like, you're right, but I

1285
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,479
Speaker 4: still think you need to be with Miranda Lambert And I.

1286
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 5: Was like, I take that back, Oh my gosh.

1287
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 2: So she was just sort of, you know, in a

1288
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 2: bit of denial essentially, but not not angry. She was

1289
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 2: more of denial, That's what I'm saying, right, Yeah.

1290
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 6: The first gay man I never saw my life was

1291
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 6: like her coworker. I was just like, oh my god.

1292
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: This is so much fun. I want to hang out though.

1293
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 6: Yeah I don't know, but you do whatever you want.

1294
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 6: But I will likely be drinking.

1295
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 2: Me too, I'll be drinking, be drinking. It's just about it.

1296
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 2: I need a break, and then I need to learn

1297
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 2: to mitigate and have my nights where it's wild and crazy.

1298
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 4: I feel like a party is taking a break because

1299
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 4: I concidentally have myself.

1300
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just taking a break because I just needed,

1301
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 2: you know, and a reset. I need a reset.

1302
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 6: Approved to myself that I do actually have control.

1303
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh.

1304
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 6: A million.

1305
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 2: By the way, these ten days, it's going to be

1306
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 2: three weeks and I go to Cabo for a golf tournament.

1307
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 6: There we go, I.

1308
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: Will be drinking, which is a disaster.

1309
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 4: Next week for for our uh a soon to be

1310
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 4: brother in law's bachelor parties.

1311
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 2: So fun but exactly so it's going to happen.

1312
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: I just well, we we have to. I have to

1313
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: get to Nashville. Maybe I will get Allie out there.

1314
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: We can do like some sibling revelry.

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Speaker 2: I lived there for the show Nashville for two years.

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Speaker 2: I was honest, I just live right near Belmont. I

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Speaker 2: live right just down the street from Belmont.

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Speaker 6: Actually live over there for like fifteen years. It's the best.

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Speaker 2: Well, we should make a week shone building. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: You were in Nashville.

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Speaker 2: I lived there, the Gladstone building, you know, near a

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Speaker 2: bell meat Ish.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think that was my favorite thing you've

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Speaker 3: done is Nashville. I loved that.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 5: So I'm convinced that show is partly the reason, actually,

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Speaker 5: I think a big reason why Nashville as a city

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Speaker 5: has blown the fuck up. I knew about Nashville, but

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Speaker 5: once they saw like they got a window into it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the city has changed, right. Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Is that wild?

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Speaker 1: A wild window a soap opera window of Nashville.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Oh, you guys are the best.

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Speaker 1: We got to end with our question because you're which

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Speaker 1: is allie?

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Speaker 2: You you ask? It's a two parter. Basically, you're looking

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Speaker 2: at your brother and what is that thing that you

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Speaker 2: would love to emulate, something that he has that you

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Speaker 2: wish that you had.

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Speaker 6: And then.

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Speaker 2: And then the flip of that is the flip of

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Speaker 2: that is what would you what would you want to

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Speaker 2: alleviate from your brother something that you know, if you

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Speaker 2: could take away, their life would be better.

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Speaker 4: I would say John is very patient, except for when

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Speaker 4: we're both in patient drivers. But outside of that, John

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Speaker 4: has a lot of patience. It is one of my

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Speaker 4: weakest qualities. I wish I had it, but I don't.

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Speaker 4: And alleviate from him, I would say one of my

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Speaker 4: strengths is actually I don't really get that like stressed

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Speaker 4: or hold that much anxiety for whatever reason.

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Speaker 2: So that anxiety, that's right, I guess.

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Speaker 5: I will say my brother is a very bold, brave,

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Speaker 5: strong person, even aside from coming out.

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Speaker 6: Of a country artists. It's kind of his his nature.

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Speaker 5: A lot of time meetings, he'll well I go for

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Speaker 5: the juggular and I'm like, hell, yeah, that's not kind

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Speaker 5: of my nature.

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Speaker 6: And it's really great to have that.

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Speaker 5: And also his big muscles, probably.

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Speaker 6: His lack of iciens.

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Speaker 5: Becauseily like, oh my god, that's I know. I kind

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Speaker 5: of it does trouble him as well as it doesn't

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Speaker 5: around him does trouble him, but you know, more just

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Speaker 5: the kind of life, the white knuckling side of things,

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Speaker 5: and you know, and that as well, So I would

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Speaker 5: you know, just maybe just a little bit of a

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Speaker 5: maybe I should give him one of my my s

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Speaker 5: SR of.

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Speaker 2: Course that's good. Or oh, you guys are the best.

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Speaker 2: This was fun, boys, This is a blessing, so much fun.

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Speaker 2: I would love to so fun. Yeah, we'd have a

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Speaker 2: great time, no doubt.

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Speaker 6: You guys are so busy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys, this is great.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on. Bye guys.

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Speaker 2: Ooh gouy.

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Speaker 3: They're the best.

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Speaker 1: We need to hang out there so many people, no,

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Speaker 1: but but we will hang out with them because they're

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Speaker 1: close with you know, the sort of.

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Speaker 3: Inner circle of Yeah, that's true. Team.

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Speaker 1: But they're so great and what a wonderful, wonderful spirits

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Speaker 1: and energy.

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Speaker 3: And I love fun, so fun.

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Speaker 1: I I love everybody that we talked to. But then

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Speaker 1: every once in a while, there's just the people that

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Speaker 1: feel like you came from the same like you could

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Speaker 1: we came from such different backgrounds but cut from a

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Speaker 1: similar cloth.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you know. You immediately feel like with them,

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Speaker 2: completely comfortable. I feel like I could say absolutely anything,

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Speaker 2: which of course I did, And it's just I love that.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: And I also think it goes back to what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about when it comes to like how you were,

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Speaker 1: how you like your your your family history. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you obviously like they had some you know, people in

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Speaker 1: their history that had real, you know, wild hairs up there, heinee,

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Speaker 1: and so did we. A lot of wild hairs, a lot,

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Speaker 1: And out of that comes a certain type of energy,

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Speaker 1: you know exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's the meshing of those two energies. It's good.

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Speaker 3: I love you, yeah, mhm