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Speaker 1: often get to talk to somebody that is a full

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say no because Ron Chipsick took mine. He

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Speaker 1: He is an author. He's written forty five books. He's

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Speaker 1: And tonight, it is my pleasure to welcome Ron Chipsick here. Ron,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Joe. I appreciate it very much. You cannot

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Speaker 2: get too full grace. You can't get more than to full.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's one of those things where when you

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Speaker 1: Now just for our listeners, he killed eleven women between

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Speaker 2: She stayed in his life until is his twenties when

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Speaker 2: I said, she just took her frustrations out on her

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Speaker 1: So March eighth, nineteen ninety He murders an eighteen year

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Speaker 2: the last few will to see him. And I interviewed

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Speaker 1: Well before we get to November nineteen ninety one, I

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Speaker 2: They said they wanted to charge him, but they didn't

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Speaker 2: make the connections. You know, most of the murders that

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Speaker 2: Could you imagine that? No, Yeah, he killed like ten

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Speaker 2: they never made the connection. None of the cops made

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Speaker 2: before for Wallace, and he knew all of his victims.

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Speaker 2: He murdered about seven I think a seven women on

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Speaker 2: a little more complicated than that. The police were really

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Speaker 1: It's just mind blowing. But you know, then May of

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Speaker 1: Now, I want to be sure everybody heard you. He

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Speaker 1: They were all in apartments, all were working at a

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Speaker 1: I want to tell everybod about a few more victims

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Speaker 2: As well, right and lead. He he was watching the

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Speaker 1: Well, is it true that the FBI said that these

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Speaker 2: Yeah. There was a real famous FBI profiler, a guy

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's also one of those things you

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Speaker 2: He had everybody full and when he came down, it

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Speaker 1: it's not you don't have to talk long to get

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Speaker 1: to where did she work? And when Taco Bell comes

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Speaker 1: up more than once, and then bo Jangles comes up

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Speaker 1: more than once, the connection is right there.

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Speaker 2: Ron.

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Speaker 1: I shit you being here. I appreciate you talking about this,

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Speaker 1: and why don't you tell everybody about your project that's

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Speaker 1: coming up.

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Speaker 2: I also have a TV series that's come out on vix,

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Speaker 2: which is the biggest Spanish language streaming service in the world.

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Speaker 2: The series is called Raso Blanco White Paradise and it's

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Speaker 2: based on my book Crazy Charlie, and it's a thirty

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Speaker 2: part series and I've seen the first season. There's gonna

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Speaker 2: be two seasons. I've seen the first fifteen and I'm

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Speaker 2: very pleased with it. So that's another project that came out,

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Speaker 2: and I'm working on a book now about it, Dallas

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Speaker 2: soil Man, which is going to be interesting. And I

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Speaker 2: got several other other things in the works. I'm a

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Speaker 2: screenwriter as well, and I've got several my screenplays of

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Speaker 2: an option from movies and I'm hoping that some of

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Speaker 2: them click pretty soon.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're going to be looking for all of them.

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Speaker 1: And Ron I again cannot thank you enough for being

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Speaker 1: with us and talking to us about the Taco Bell Strangler.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a pleasure, thank you.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to end Zone seven the way that

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Speaker 1: I always do with a quote. There's a pattern in

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Speaker 1: every chrome, something that gives the police an edge on

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Speaker 1: the criminal's weakness. And we know he has a weakness,

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Speaker 1: or he wouldn't be a criminal. Helen Nielsen. I'm Cheryl McCollum,

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Speaker 1: and this is Zone seven.