Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how
Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can
Speaker 1: hit any shot I kind of want.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about
Speaker 2: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast Shane Vaik
Speaker 3: and Marty Jertsen, and we are in the Ping tour truck,
Speaker 3: which means we're with a man that spends a lot
Speaker 3: of time in this truck.
Speaker 1: Kenton Oates Kenton, how many weeks a year are you
Speaker 1: involved in this truck out on tour?
Speaker 4: Probably thirty thirty ish weeks a year on this chariler.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you know every inch to this place?
Speaker 1: Did you find anything in two seconds?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: I couldn't.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of drawers back there that I don't open,
Speaker 5: and there's a lot of stuff that you can find.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty good, but I don't know. I haven't don't
Speaker 5: know everything yet.
Speaker 4: So what it?
Speaker 3: Just so you know, people see these trucks every year,
Speaker 3: they see all the tour trucks from different brands, and
Speaker 3: they show up. What's the schedule, Like, what day do
Speaker 3: you get to a tournament. What dat you leave to
Speaker 3: go on to the next place.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So in my role, I'm leaving on Sunday, hopefully
Speaker 5: Sunday evenings, spend as much time as I can with
Speaker 5: my family on Sunday, and then we're leaving you know,
Speaker 5: five six pm on Wednesday. So that's that's the the
Speaker 5: for me. That's what I'm doing. That's what Spencer is
Speaker 5: doing as well. And then Jack and Adam, the other
Speaker 5: two guys on my team, they're either flying in on
Speaker 5: that same schedule or this thing doesn't just you know.
Speaker 4: Magically appear. It's got to drive.
Speaker 5: So from this week it'll roll down to Dallas and
Speaker 5: it'll take two or three days to do that. So
Speaker 5: Jack will do that and then he'll just be out
Speaker 5: on the road like that.
Speaker 4: So hey, give a.
Speaker 2: Little overview of like what all the equipment is on
Speaker 2: the truck, Like what do we got here? Not only
Speaker 2: club building stuff? Like how much does the truck weigh?
Speaker 2: What does it take to drive this thing?
Speaker 5: Sixty three pounds of grinding of grips of clubs. I
Speaker 5: feel like there's got to be like two grand of
Speaker 5: that in hatch or two Like what I mean, there's
Speaker 5: a lot of hats on this thing.
Speaker 3: So when players come here, are the players coming here
Speaker 3: or caddies coming in.
Speaker 1: To get stuff fixed? Is it a mix of both?
Speaker 3: Like what do you think the percentages of players maybe
Speaker 3: versus someone on their team coming in to get something tweaked.
Speaker 5: I would say it's about fifty to fifty, and a
Speaker 5: lot of it is, you know, if it's play, it's
Speaker 5: usually from a text that we sent out.
Speaker 4: Player's presence on the trailer is really driven.
Speaker 5: By how close we are to the driving bench. If
Speaker 5: we're close to the range, they're coming in all the time,
Speaker 5: grabbing snacks, hanging out doing that. There's some events where
Speaker 5: were like Phoenix, we're miles away, so they won't be
Speaker 5: there in as much, but they'll shoot us a text
Speaker 5: and then they'll send their caddy and to do that.
Speaker 2: So how long does it take to bill Let's say
Speaker 2: you're building a new five wood for a player for
Speaker 2: the week.
Speaker 4: I mean, how long? What's that process? Look like?
Speaker 5: A fairway would if everyone is like if we got
Speaker 5: Jack Adams, Spencer, myself, everyone's hands on deck one fairywood
Speaker 5: could take it's got a cure.
Speaker 4: So fifteen minutes max?
Speaker 5: Wow, fifty If a player lost their clubs and we
Speaker 5: had nothing else to do and press for time.
Speaker 4: We could do it under an hour, all fourteen.
Speaker 5: You can do a set of clubs and we could
Speaker 5: do it probably forty five minutes to an hour, pending
Speaker 5: the model of the iron.
Speaker 4: That's the biggest pending.
Speaker 3: Which player is the most involved in the tweaks that
Speaker 3: maybe has the most like personal assistance to what they
Speaker 3: want done to their golf clubs, to their bad week
Speaker 3: to week.
Speaker 4: That's a great question.
Speaker 5: Like Tyroll, whenever he does something to his clubs, he
Speaker 5: is always essence and terror was.
Speaker 1: Here here earlier with a couple of platter grip on right.
Speaker 5: So he's not gonna regrip anything without his preser. He's
Speaker 5: not going to move a waft why without him there.
Speaker 5: He wants to see it and look at it, be
Speaker 5: a part of the process where some other guys are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: I've been my club two degrees.
Speaker 2: Has any player ever literally regripped their own club or
Speaker 2: bent the loft in line themselves or not yet?
Speaker 4: Jack, Has anyone ever regripped their own clubs in here?
Speaker 4: There's no way, no way.
Speaker 3: You've so no, You've never seen a player in here
Speaker 3: regrip in their own stuff. No chance, any request. Anybody
Speaker 3: ever said, I like to regrip.
Speaker 1: My own clubs.
Speaker 3: John Day, Yes, John Daily grinded his own John Day
Speaker 3: grinded on a crossover.
Speaker 4: PG Championship and the crossovers hollow.
Speaker 5: I thought he was gonna I was worried he was
Speaker 5: just gonna keep going on the soul and like, oh
Speaker 5: there's a hole.
Speaker 4: Like I was like, well, this could go bad.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's that mix, Marty, of the kind
Speaker 3: of the younger generation maybe versus some of the old players.
Speaker 3: Is I mean, you know, twenty years ago, thirty years ago,
Speaker 3: you grinded your own clubs, and you probably regripped a
Speaker 3: lot of your own clubs. And now obviously collegiately and
Speaker 3: even in junior programs, somebody is going to be doing
Speaker 3: that for a lot of these players.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And that's a great point because like even from like
Speaker 5: driver fitting aspects, like I remember with Westwood and Bubba
Speaker 5: and older guys, they were always like when they're when
Speaker 5: their driver cracked, it was like, oh my gosh, this could.
Speaker 4: Take an all day. Yeah he could be done. This
Speaker 4: is this is it. But like you know, so I
Speaker 4: hit the goall breaks driver. He's like, okay, just will
Speaker 4: be another one. It's fine, I'll be fine.
Speaker 5: Like you bring out the track man, you're ready to go.
Speaker 5: He's like, oh no, bro, I'm just gonna go to
Speaker 5: the course.
Speaker 4: It's fine.
Speaker 1: I trust you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's which is an important part of the relationship though,
Speaker 3: and is the trust in what we're doing with our equipment,
Speaker 3: making sure it's specked out perfectly. And I mean there
Speaker 3: is a level of perfection that you guys obviously abide
Speaker 3: by to make sure that when you give them a
Speaker 3: new club they can be confident.
Speaker 5: And what you guys just did to for sure, that's
Speaker 5: one of our I think one of the best parts
Speaker 5: about our driver. We make a great driver the first time,
Speaker 5: we make the same driver the second time, and that's
Speaker 5: not easy to do, and we do a very good
Speaker 5: job of that.
Speaker 4: So what are what are some things that go into that?
Speaker 5: So Jack has a spec sheet that he does that
Speaker 5: it's every player has no own Excel file. And like
Speaker 5: on a driver, we got length, loft setting, tipping of
Speaker 5: the shaft, swing weight, headwight, gegle location, so that's CG
Speaker 5: shifter location, so that everything's on there.
Speaker 3: And that's for and that's for every club, and that's
Speaker 3: every player, and you got everything. So and you were
Speaker 3: talking about texting with players, I mean, is that basically
Speaker 3: the system now? I mean in modern society, they're sending
Speaker 3: you a texting and I want to I want a
Speaker 3: different grind on this wedge or I would like a
Speaker 3: different grip on my plutter, things like that.
Speaker 4: So at Sunday night, it's really easy.
Speaker 5: You're on a plane, you're now working Spencer and I
Speaker 5: will send out text to our play The guys on
Speaker 5: our staff will divide it up, send the text out,
Speaker 5: get the text back, and then you're ready.
Speaker 4: To roll Monday morning. So Monday mornings we're doing.
Speaker 1: A lot of like is that the busiest part Mondays?
Speaker 5: Either, Monday mornings are like probably Jack and Adam's busiest
Speaker 5: part because we'll get a lot of like, hey I
Speaker 5: want fresh I'm gonna do new grips. And then Tuesday
Speaker 5: is probably the most active day on the range if
Speaker 5: players do want to do active like fitting or testing
Speaker 5: throughout the week.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's like an example of the smallest little change
Speaker 2: to like a club you've made for a player, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like I don't know I'm thinking, like you need to get.
Speaker 2: Just one hundred RPMs more spind or a quarter degree.
Speaker 4: Aloft or something like that. We do that a lot
Speaker 4: with drivers.
Speaker 5: Actually like the driver fitting because I think we're so
Speaker 5: precise in how we build them.
Speaker 4: We have a really operate like if you're playing.
Speaker 5: Nine point five degrees that week, obviously this thing rolls
Speaker 5: down the road. So we kind of always look at
Speaker 5: our gauges as a week to week basis too, Like
Speaker 5: his driver's nine to five today, and we're gonna base
Speaker 5: it off that, and it's like spinning at twenty seven
Speaker 5: hundred and they want to spend at twenty five hundred.
Speaker 5: We'll definitely build a head like at nine point five
Speaker 5: and like, which is pretty cool to see when you
Speaker 5: bring it out and it's like like Corey Connor is
Speaker 5: before Valero, He's like, my driver is just under spinning
Speaker 5: just a little bit. And it was like, whatever it
Speaker 5: is was call it nine. We brought it like nine
Speaker 5: point two, spends two and more RPMs and then you wins.
Speaker 5: So it's pretty cool when stuff like that happens. Player
Speaker 5: Like Corey's like it's underspinning. What does he see on
Speaker 5: the course? Like, what's the problem with that. I think
Speaker 5: that most players, when they're saying it's underspinning, especially got
Speaker 5: like Cory hitches so straight. He's not so much seeing
Speaker 5: the fact that he's hitting bad shots. They start to
Speaker 5: feel like a little anxiety and out of control. On
Speaker 5: the ever so slight misses, it starts to tail to
Speaker 5: the right. That's the biggest Guys will see spin and
Speaker 5: right misses go together, and that freaks some guys out.
Speaker 5: It's like they're supposed to live at twenty five. They
Speaker 5: start to see when it dips it two thousand. The
Speaker 5: good ones are still fine, but that slightness is now
Speaker 5: Like Corey is a drawer too, so it's not drawing,
Speaker 5: and he's.
Speaker 4: Like, this is not drawing. Yeah, I have problems. So
Speaker 4: the every day golfer, they.
Speaker 2: Go in and get fit for their driver, and their
Speaker 2: window spin might be like, you know, four hundred rpm.
Speaker 4: You know they had ten good shots, it's gonna be
Speaker 4: up and down three four hundred.
Speaker 2: Who's like they got the tightest spin range, s consistency
Speaker 2: on a driver out here, Corey Corey.
Speaker 4: Corey's is so good.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's because he's a drawer, so
Speaker 5: the faces of it's just really walked into his path.
Speaker 5: But like Corey when he gets locked in, like he's
Speaker 5: between really good right now, it's twenty three to twenty
Speaker 5: four hundred, and it's every single swat every time.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Every time, you know, there was there were stories of
Speaker 3: like Tiger Back of the Day and VJA changing wedges
Speaker 3: week to week. Yeah, I know, VJ sing was a
Speaker 3: big wedge, different wedge every week. Is there somebody that
Speaker 3: you guys work with that changes wedges that much or
Speaker 3: even close to that much?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Hovelind and Taylor More I would say they go
Speaker 5: through sixty degrees every two tournaments. Every two tournaments they
Speaker 5: go through a sixty degree and most guys have now
Speaker 5: they've the middle wedges. Guys have like embraced the fact
Speaker 5: that like my fifty and fifty four to fifty six,
Speaker 5: whatever they may play is actually maybe a little better
Speaker 5: as time goes on. So little letos kind of just
Speaker 5: decay a little bit, and now the ball is not
Speaker 5: from one forty, it's stopping and not coming all the
Speaker 5: way back. But sixty degrees like yeah, Taylor, I know
Speaker 5: does a lot and Hovland does.
Speaker 3: A lot or wedges, the most consistent love that you
Speaker 3: guys work on week to week.
Speaker 5: Wedges and regripts are probably the things that we do
Speaker 5: every single week. Like Shamous Power, he uses a lot
Speaker 5: of wedges too, and when he does wedges, he does
Speaker 5: them all. So he does every single off and he
Speaker 5: does wedges probably two to three tournaments, and he does
Speaker 5: grips two to three tournaments.
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask about grips, is that what what
Speaker 3: do you think is? Maybe I would say the average
Speaker 3: in terms of how long a player is going to
Speaker 3: use a grip three tournaments, that's it.
Speaker 5: A month because then you got guys are taking they're
Speaker 5: probably taking a week off in there, right, So it's
Speaker 5: not like if they played three in a row and
Speaker 5: then take a week off and then they come out,
Speaker 5: that's five weeks to them.
Speaker 4: Three tournaments for like, yeah, three a month is about
Speaker 4: what I'm not gonna feels guilty. I changed my grips
Speaker 4: twice a year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is the thing Marty that I
Speaker 3: feel like I focus the most most on is the
Speaker 3: thing that I'm the most obsessed with his new gloves,
Speaker 3: new grips, and I'm maybe twice a year.
Speaker 4: So now I feel way better.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm wasted nearly.
Speaker 4: I'm going to once a quarter now. Yeah. Correct, And
Speaker 4: they get new gloves every week, so every week. I mean,
Speaker 4: you can tell we've talked about you. You can see that.
Speaker 3: As I've said about golfers, there's no feeling better than
Speaker 3: the new glove. The new glove on the first t
Speaker 3: is a pretty epic situation.
Speaker 2: So, okay, we talked about drivers, spin under, spinning, find
Speaker 2: their right window. What about irons, man, because the everyday
Speaker 2: golfers out there, they might begin fitted indoor place, their
Speaker 2: irons are spinning low, they're going far. It looks all good,
Speaker 2: but what you know, I know you guys work a
Speaker 2: ton with your players. I'm like, if an iron is
Speaker 2: not spinning enough, what are the players seeing? What are
Speaker 2: they struggling with?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 4: How do you find the right window you need to
Speaker 4: get it into it? That's a great question.
Speaker 5: I think something that's really misunder not so much misunderstood,
Speaker 5: but there's a lot more to an iron spin rate
Speaker 5: than Corey Connor spends his seven iron at sixty two
Speaker 5: hundred and Tony Fenale spends his seven iron sixty seven hundred.
Speaker 4: Is Tony's better than Corey.
Speaker 5: Like, so, I think the things you got to look
Speaker 5: at is we look a lot at landing angle and
Speaker 5: met peak height, and we're trying to get fifty degrees
Speaker 5: of landing angle and over one hundred and five feet
Speaker 5: a height. If you can do both of those things,
Speaker 5: you can stop the ball on most PJA tour greens.
Speaker 4: That's a good recipe.
Speaker 5: The guys that come from and we see a lot
Speaker 5: from guys that come from corn Faerry, corn Ferry, the
Speaker 5: courses are a little bit shorter, they're softer, you can
Speaker 5: kind of eyes come in. They hit lower shots and
Speaker 5: then they're like they get to Bay Hill and they're like,
Speaker 5: I just hit a seven iron. I hit the green
Speaker 5: and I was really close to like out of bounds,
Speaker 5: Like what happened here? I go, Yeah, they're really firm
Speaker 5: out here. So you have to kind of talk through
Speaker 5: that process. And sometimes that guy's seven iron didn't spin
Speaker 5: anymore like he's still but we were able to increase
Speaker 5: height with a shaft change or just adding some waft
Speaker 5: or adding some some other things in there. But sometimes
Speaker 5: sixty two it can be low spin and still have
Speaker 5: enough stopping pier or it could be high spin if
Speaker 5: you want it to well, it's still gonna come down woe.
Speaker 5: So we're really looking at how the ball is coming
Speaker 5: down and then going out on the course and trying
Speaker 5: to see like, Okay, i'm gonna stand on the green,
Speaker 5: you're gonna hit a pitching ledge and I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 5: gonna tell you where.
Speaker 4: This pitch and we're gonna make this shirt safts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So what are the levers you pull on
Speaker 2: to Let's say you need to increase spin for a player, like,
Speaker 2: what would those levers be?
Speaker 5: You know, loftling waft would be the first we'd be like, hey,
Speaker 5: are you okay? If we just spend them weak?
Speaker 4: Yep?
Speaker 5: In those gaps where we'll talk about what that's gonna
Speaker 5: happen in your gaps. If they're playing a blueprint or
Speaker 5: a smaller model, we'll be like, can you look at
Speaker 5: something different?
Speaker 4: Where nine or what a two thirty? Can you look
Speaker 4: at that?
Speaker 5: And a lot of the times that conversation ends in no,
Speaker 5: in my seven iron, but yes in my four, five
Speaker 5: and six right right. And that's where the problem really
Speaker 5: lies is the you know, most professional golfers seven eight,
Speaker 5: nine irons, they can stop them four, five six, it
Speaker 5: becomes a little yeah. And then length is something will
Speaker 5: go at as well if they're if you know, if
Speaker 5: it's standard length. And that's another thing in long irons.
Speaker 5: Add a quarter inch to your four iron, leave the
Speaker 5: loft the same. You get a little more ball speed,
Speaker 5: you get two or three hundred more RPMs, and then
Speaker 5: you're that peak I will go up like that eight.
Speaker 4: So it really is a lot.
Speaker 5: Now you say, it's really a lot of massaging that
Speaker 5: long iron, that four or five six iron.
Speaker 2: Range, because this is pretty cool, ko, because I mean
Speaker 2: a big thing. I feel like my roles man is
Speaker 2: to take hey man, all these little nuanced things that
Speaker 2: you guys do with the tower players, how do we
Speaker 2: give them to the every day right? So, like you know,
Speaker 2: our g series irons are distance irons.
Speaker 4: We progress the lengths longer, and it matches exactly what
Speaker 4: you guys are doing in the long irons, right. The
Speaker 4: long irons are getting longer.
Speaker 2: Long irons get longer, so you a little more club speed,
Speaker 2: you get a little more dynamic loft combine, you get
Speaker 2: a little more ball speed. You combine all both those
Speaker 2: send that ball up in the air a little bit more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's one thing you educate.
Speaker 5: We've had you guys don't really they don't see it
Speaker 5: right when.
Speaker 4: You say it, they get it.
Speaker 5: But if you just take all the same watch conditions
Speaker 5: and add five miles of ball.
Speaker 4: Speed, you're gaining four or five feet a peak height.
Speaker 5: And guys they don't really once you say it to
Speaker 5: them like, oh that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they don't see that.
Speaker 5: So just that little length or then like by the
Speaker 5: foreign you can either you can add the length and
Speaker 5: keep the loft if they just want the height, or
Speaker 5: if like, hey, I got to gap this to my
Speaker 5: seven order my hybrid, add the length and then deloft
Speaker 5: it and now you have the same peak hide and
Speaker 5: you gain five six yards.
Speaker 3: Yes, what's the weirdest request you've had in this truck
Speaker 3: over the years. Oh, my gosh, maybe maybe a club
Speaker 3: being built or something you guys don't even build. What's
Speaker 3: been a what's been one of the stranger requests you've received?
Speaker 3: You only have the name of player just in terms
Speaker 3: of the club.
Speaker 5: One of the weirdest things that ever happened was my
Speaker 5: rookie year on tour, we had a staff player bend
Speaker 5: his irons from he played black color code to like
Speaker 5: silver color code.
Speaker 1: So give that to context it.
Speaker 5: So they went from standard color code to fort degrees upright,
Speaker 5: and this gentleman is.
Speaker 4: Five to seven. What happened? So?
Speaker 1: How was the week?
Speaker 4: Not great? So it was that pet we asked him,
Speaker 4: was like, so number one, it's nine iron broke. Like
Speaker 4: in competition.
Speaker 5: We got a text from the caddies because like we
Speaker 5: we just spent them all up round like, oh well,
Speaker 5: this hozzle broke.
Speaker 4: We asked him.
Speaker 5: The next week at Riviera, came in and he's like,
Speaker 5: I'm sorry. I'm sorry, guys, I was wrong. We gotta
Speaker 5: go back whatever, no problem, we'll start over. And Christian
Speaker 5: was running the tour at that time, and he's.
Speaker 4: Like, when did you know this was a bad idea?
Speaker 4: It's four degrees upright, pebble beach.
Speaker 5: He's like, I was pretty sure early, but on the
Speaker 5: tenth hole when I had the ball below my feet
Speaker 5: and I didn't know how I was gonna He's like,
Speaker 5: I didn't know how I was going to hit it
Speaker 5: because I knew it was bad. And then he asked
Speaker 5: me on the range or and this is my first year.
Speaker 5: I wish I would have been more seasoned, I probably
Speaker 5: would have like tried to stop it, but I was
Speaker 5: just like he was into it. I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 5: is what we're doing. He's like, what would I see
Speaker 5: if they're too upright? And I go I was like, well,
Speaker 5: you've probably see some thing contact. Your solid shots are
Speaker 5: going to just like start left, go left maybe or
Speaker 5: just like poles, and like, I'm like, you might have
Speaker 5: excessive heel contact. Because I didn't want to say I'm
Speaker 5: not telling the guy who think seventh hole pebble beach
Speaker 5: shot tracker, no one.
Speaker 4: They don't have a Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 3: I was like, well, so you're you're saying when you
Speaker 3: first started, you might be didn't feel comfortable telling a
Speaker 3: tour player that this isn't a great idea. Are you
Speaker 3: in a place now where if those requests come your way,
Speaker 3: you feel comfortable enough to say, I don't think this
Speaker 3: is going to be a great move for you, or
Speaker 3: do you still kind of keep all the players at arms.
Speaker 5: Ley ending the player. It's obviously different, your relationships different.
Speaker 5: One of the greatest things about ping is I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm going to miss someone when I do this, but
Speaker 5: saw hit the Gala Stefan Jeger, Harris English, Cameron Champ, Taylor.
Speaker 1: Moore, these Tory, I mean so crazy.
Speaker 4: These guys were on our range at fifteen years old.
Speaker 5: Like, I mean, that's so And I've had been blessed
Speaker 5: to be able to be a part of the tour
Speaker 5: department before this. I helped out Scott Sullivan in that
Speaker 5: role with those players. So when you've had that relationship
Speaker 5: when they were kids, you can be like, Okay, Bud,
Speaker 5: what are we doing? Like talk me through this. You're
Speaker 5: gonna have to do. You're gonna have to convince me
Speaker 5: that this is a decent idea before we go, so
Speaker 5: putting in the relationship.
Speaker 4: Yes, like I he would have not mentioned the.
Speaker 3: Talk and talk about the ledge by the way, I mean,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of activity going around here.
Speaker 1: Is this like the nap Is this like nap area?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 4: This could be nap area. You definitely could.
Speaker 3: You can catch a snooze right here, right here on
Speaker 3: the couch because you know, I mean like you got
Speaker 3: work over either. This feels a little bit more like
Speaker 3: the laid back section.
Speaker 5: We got a couple, we got a couple of guys
Speaker 5: on the team, you know might seek in a nap
Speaker 5: on the on the on the down.
Speaker 3: Happens in the media center too, just don't think it happens.
Speaker 3: There are some snooze spots there as well.
Speaker 2: It's okayo, who is name a player that's like super
Speaker 2: technical in terms of their numbers, Like they know all
Speaker 2: their track man numbers and then name and name.
Speaker 4: Someone the it doesn't know anything. We're all the field.
Speaker 2: They just eyeball and see a window whatever here. That's
Speaker 2: super technical. Track Man Hobland, okay knows his numbers. He
Speaker 2: not only does he like he knows his carry numbers
Speaker 2: of his golf club. He knows like when I'm swinging good,
Speaker 2: my path is to this, he knows all of it, like,
Speaker 2: and he's working off of like if his swing goes off,
Speaker 2: he's not only looking at video, he's going back and
Speaker 2: looking at TrackMan data to try to correct it. So
Speaker 2: it's funny you say that I was on the ring.
Speaker 2: I was on the chipping green with him last night
Speaker 2: and we had track man out hitting an eight yard.
Speaker 2: He was carrying the ship eight yards and measuring all expense. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: So that's okay.
Speaker 4: So he's into it.
Speaker 3: So like I mean, Marty, when you see that, and
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously he's a young player, and track Man
Speaker 3: has been in Victor's life probably since he was a
Speaker 3: junior golfer.
Speaker 1: When you see that.
Speaker 3: As somebody that's a little bit older, is it shocking
Speaker 3: to see it or is it just where golf is going?
Speaker 4: I think it's where golf is going, and it still is.
Speaker 2: He's he's just using it to incentivize his learning, right,
Speaker 2: It's just it's just improving the feedback loop. Like he
Speaker 2: can see what's going on, he can feel it. You know,
Speaker 2: if the chip slips, he could feel it. But he's
Speaker 2: just getting that faster feedback mechanism.
Speaker 1: It's like, why not use it?
Speaker 3: I mean I battle with this in my own golf
Speaker 3: game right now and like lasering short shots, Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: where Like I'm still trying to the cutoff because like
Speaker 3: you know, you'll have a caddy Like I was just
Speaker 3: on a golf trip a couple of weeks ago, and
Speaker 3: you have a caddy and he shoots thirty four yards yea,
Speaker 3: And when I you know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to know.
Speaker 4: You're like, well, I don't want to see it. Ill
Speaker 4: cut off for you?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think I think somewhere in the
Speaker 3: thirties is not good. I don't think I want to
Speaker 3: know thirties. I think I think you can shoot me
Speaker 3: at forty numbers, but I don't want to know thirty four.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you.
Speaker 3: When he told me thirty four yards, guys, the shot
Speaker 3: didn't en up where I wanted it to.
Speaker 4: So I mean, when you go to the half yard,
Speaker 4: when do you need to know?
Speaker 1: Tell me I never need to know a half yard.
Speaker 1: I'm not good enough to know a half yard.
Speaker 3: But you know, it's it's just so interesting, is there's
Speaker 3: somebody that knows, that knows little about their numbers, that
Speaker 3: doesn't care about their numbers in the sense of it's
Speaker 3: not on their brain.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like Stephan Yeager, he's not a big number guy.
Speaker 5: And when he talks to his coach, Josh Gregory, some
Speaker 5: of their interactions.
Speaker 4: Are my favorite, Like ye like with Driver, he says
Speaker 4: like I just want to hit hard, and.
Speaker 5: I want to hit hard and make sure it falls
Speaker 5: to the right, and like it's like Ricky Bobby track
Speaker 5: Man could say anything and the Aggers like I don't.
Speaker 4: It's like I don't care what it looks like. I
Speaker 4: don't want to see a video. I just want to
Speaker 4: hit hard and have it fall to the right.
Speaker 5: And then saw Hith isn't a big number guy, and
Speaker 5: his feel he's such he is such a field player
Speaker 5: that like there's days like we'll get he uses a
Speaker 5: quad just you know, know his carry yardages. But there's
Speaker 5: days where like he'll be like, oh man, my atern's
Speaker 5: only going one sixty. And then I remember John direst
Speaker 5: Subody's like, heyll my Aterron's going one ninety five, and
Speaker 5: he's like he doesn't know what why it's happening.
Speaker 4: And so he's Saw there's probably our most feel player. Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: He's just hands for days hitting. So I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: you're seeing so many different shots.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like and this has to be such a
Speaker 3: difficult part of you guys job here in the truck
Speaker 3: is it's not just technology, it's personality based as well,
Speaker 3: where you have to understand and again, this is part
Speaker 3: of experience. When you're a rookie, maybe don't understand this
Speaker 3: nearly as much as you do if you've been doing
Speaker 3: this for a few years. But your job is not
Speaker 3: only to hand a player the perfect club for what
Speaker 3: they're trying to do, but understand how much information they
Speaker 3: need to know when you give him that golf. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Correct, I always say when people come and talk and
Speaker 5: ask me, like what makes a good tour rep? I
Speaker 5: think the big thing I look at my job is like,
Speaker 5: I'm trying to earn credit with all my staff players, right,
Speaker 5: I'm trying to take it as much cred as I can.
Speaker 5: Go put their hats in their locker, go help them
Speaker 5: do this, try to help them out with their seven
Speaker 5: iron or their driver here and there. And the more
Speaker 5: credit I can earn, then that gives me that time
Speaker 5: frame when I really need to step and be like listen,
Speaker 5: just sit down and talk about this. They're gonna maybe
Speaker 5: listen to me a little more because I've earned some
Speaker 5: value throughout this whole year.
Speaker 4: So that's that's how I look at your toy.
Speaker 5: Right, It's a personal relationship with every guy, and people
Speaker 5: are all different.
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, that's a great point. So hey, let's
Speaker 2: turn it to the everyday golferst right, And it's like,
Speaker 2: maybe you don't think about this that much, but what
Speaker 2: advice could the everyday golfer take from you? How you
Speaker 2: fit and take care of the tour player? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean, what what should they focus on if
Speaker 2: they go to a fitting, What should they be focusing
Speaker 2: on that they might not be or hearing in some
Speaker 2: marketing stuff that you know is not really like the
Speaker 2: tour player to score the best, play their best, the nuts.
Speaker 4: And bolts of what you're working with.
Speaker 5: I think the number one thing is I would encourage
Speaker 5: all amateur golfers if you're going to air and your
Speaker 5: fitting of any club in the bag, air on the
Speaker 5: high side of spin.
Speaker 4: I think it's driven by market.
Speaker 5: I don't know what's driven it, but it feels like
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, I got there with my driver.
Speaker 4: I spin at nineteen hundred.
Speaker 5: I'm like, right, well, that's that's great on the one
Speaker 5: shot the day you hit good.
Speaker 4: So I would say even like on it just makes
Speaker 4: the club more perceived.
Speaker 5: If the playability is perceivably higher and plays high, your
Speaker 5: ball won't curve as much.
Speaker 3: So I would say, because that almost feels counterintuitive about
Speaker 3: what a person would think to think is I want the.
Speaker 1: Numbers to be low, and you're saying air or the number.
Speaker 5: Of air, like if it's close this air on this
Speaker 5: one that spins a little bit more because the box
Speaker 5: in front of you at wherever you are might say
Speaker 5: it went farther, but it's not.
Speaker 4: I promise you it doesn't go that much farther on
Speaker 4: in real life.
Speaker 5: And it really will save you for like your consistency
Speaker 5: of your scores, if you can have a little more
Speaker 5: spin with every club in your bag.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of the other things KO that we have the
Speaker 2: luxury to do out here on tour is you fit
Speaker 2: a player on the range. Ye then quite often it's like, hey,
Speaker 2: let's go play it on the course. They're playing nine holes,
Speaker 2: you walk with them three holes. How can they every
Speaker 2: day golfer maybe simulate that and they're fitting when they.
Speaker 4: Can't go out and play it on the ring. Correct,
Speaker 4: that's a great question.
Speaker 5: If they're outside, I think they have a great opportunity
Speaker 5: where like hit your driver and then take a step
Speaker 5: to another stall and hit a seven iron and a
Speaker 5: different different windows, and then even if you want go
Speaker 5: walk over and hit a putt and then come back
Speaker 5: five minutes later hit that driver again, because then you're
Speaker 5: not getting the We get into this bad habit out
Speaker 5: here where were hitting drivers with fifteen in a row.
Speaker 4: Well, he's the best, he's the best player in the world.
Speaker 5: I could have given him anything, he would have probably
Speaker 5: be hitting it good bye now. So that would be
Speaker 5: what I would say is take some time in between
Speaker 5: your stuff and just make sure that you're giving you
Speaker 5: that break, hit a different club, try to stimulate playing golf,
Speaker 5: because if you get into a groove, even the every
Speaker 5: day golfer.
Speaker 4: Is going to start to figure out what they want
Speaker 4: to do with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we kind of we'd like to call that
Speaker 2: game like fitting. Yeah, you kind of gamify a little bit.
Speaker 2: One of the other things I think I see you
Speaker 2: guys do a great job with So you have your
Speaker 2: player hit the shots are going to hit on the course.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's not just stock shot. So what would that look.
Speaker 2: Like either on web as their irons, Like you know what,
Speaker 2: do you kind of run the player through really are making.
Speaker 5: A change, really making sure like because most players have
Speaker 5: their stock shot right and that's just what they're gonna hit.
Speaker 5: That's what they're gonna give you out of the gate
Speaker 5: for a long time. And then you're just gonna talk
Speaker 5: through what club they'rehitting and like what are your specialty shots?
Speaker 5: Like is there anything like under the gun you have
Speaker 5: to have? And that's usually bringing the height down or
Speaker 5: the height up, they'll hit those wedges. It's really important
Speaker 5: in that like thirty to seventy yard window, what is
Speaker 5: their technique, Like how hard are they going at those?
Speaker 5: Because then we have some guys that play their wedges
Speaker 5: their sixty degrees extremely flat because they're like, I'm not
Speaker 5: using this outside fifty yards and at that point, their
Speaker 5: technique so different.
Speaker 4: There's no pull on the handle. It's coming around them
Speaker 4: so much.
Speaker 5: The deth club can be you know, three degrees flat,
Speaker 5: and their gap ways can be standard, it doesn't matter
Speaker 5: because they're like, I'm not hitting this over sixty yards.
Speaker 4: Ever. So that's the other stuff that goes on out there.
Speaker 1: So interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just so crazy to kind of walk
Speaker 3: through the tour truck and just see all of the
Speaker 3: you know, little tweaks happening. I mean, a big event,
Speaker 3: people really excited about making sure everything's perfect, and again
Speaker 3: you switch next week to a totally different golf course
Speaker 3: with totally different conditions, and everything changes, and much like
Speaker 3: how a player preps, you guys have to do the same.
Speaker 1: So it's very very cool to see this.
Speaker 5: That is definite probably what causes the most work in
Speaker 5: the trailers. We're playing up here in Rochester, New York.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be fifty to seventy degrees where we have,
Speaker 5: you know, primarily I think that's Rye grass, Kentucky bluegrass
Speaker 5: rough and then we're gonna go play on Bermuda grass
Speaker 5: in Texas and.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be ninety degrees. It's gonna you're gonna eat
Speaker 4: something completely different for some shots.
Speaker 5: So that's probably primarily our work is dealing in with that,
Speaker 5: that differences of the changing stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, very cool to see the truck. Thank you so
Speaker 3: much for all the information, and just to take it
Speaker 3: all in. I mean, I haven't got a new hat out.
Speaker 4: Of it, Marty.
Speaker 1: This is a really good deal.
Speaker 4: For the score here. Maybe get you some new grips.
Speaker 4: There you go.