WEBVTT - Episode 2: The PING Tour Truck 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.400 The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:05.120 much the equipment matters. I just love that I can 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:06.600 hit any shot I kind of want. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:08.480 We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:10.640 what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:13.920 Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast Shane Vaik 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.040 and Marty Jertsen, and we are in the Ping tour truck, 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:19.960 which means we're with a man that spends a lot 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:21.240 of time in this truck. 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:24.119 Kenton Oates Kenton, how many weeks a year are you 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:26.400 involved in this truck out on tour? 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.640 Probably thirty thirty ish weeks a year on this chariler. 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:31.360 I mean, do you know every inch to this place? 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:33.279 Did you find anything in two seconds? 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:33.600 No? 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:34.760 I couldn't. 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.440 There's a lot of drawers back there that I don't open, 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:39.440 and there's a lot of stuff that you can find. 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.440 I'm pretty good, but I don't know. I haven't don't 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:42.240 know everything yet. 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:43.159 So what it? 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:45.120 Just so you know, people see these trucks every year, 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.000 they see all the tour trucks from different brands, and 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:49.000 they show up. What's the schedule, Like, what day do 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:50.640 you get to a tournament. What dat you leave to 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:51.600 go on to the next place. 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.720 Yeah, So in my role, I'm leaving on Sunday, hopefully 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:56.640 Sunday evenings, spend as much time as I can with 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.240 my family on Sunday, and then we're leaving you know, 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:03.160 five six pm on Wednesday. So that's that's the the 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:05.840 for me. That's what I'm doing. That's what Spencer is 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.520 doing as well. And then Jack and Adam, the other 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:10.640 two guys on my team, they're either flying in on 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.080 that same schedule or this thing doesn't just you know. 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:14.399 Magically appear. It's got to drive. 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:18.039 So from this week it'll roll down to Dallas and 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:19.880 it'll take two or three days to do that. So 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.040 Jack will do that and then he'll just be out 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:22.720 on the road like that. 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:23.880 So hey, give a. 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.720 Little overview of like what all the equipment is on 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:28.400 the truck, Like what do we got here? Not only 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:30.960 club building stuff? Like how much does the truck weigh? 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:32.560 What does it take to drive this thing? 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:38.800 Sixty three pounds of grinding of grips of clubs. I 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.360 feel like there's got to be like two grand of 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.360 that in hatch or two Like what I mean, there's 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:43.440 a lot of hats on this thing. 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.360 So when players come here, are the players coming here 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:48.559 or caddies coming in. 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:50.400 To get stuff fixed? Is it a mix of both? 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:52.720 Like what do you think the percentages of players maybe 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.400 versus someone on their team coming in to get something tweaked. 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.040 I would say it's about fifty to fifty, and a 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.600 lot of it is, you know, if it's play, it's 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.520 usually from a text that we sent out. 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:06.800 Player's presence on the trailer is really driven. 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:08.640 By how close we are to the driving bench. If 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:10.240 we're close to the range, they're coming in all the time, 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.200 grabbing snacks, hanging out doing that. There's some events where 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.880 were like Phoenix, we're miles away, so they won't be 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:17.520 there in as much, but they'll shoot us a text 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.360 and then they'll send their caddy and to do that. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:21.560 So how long does it take to bill Let's say 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.840 you're building a new five wood for a player for 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:24.320 the week. 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:26.440 I mean, how long? What's that process? Look like? 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.680 A fairway would if everyone is like if we got 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:33.519 Jack Adams, Spencer, myself, everyone's hands on deck one fairywood 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:34.880 could take it's got a cure. 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:36.480 So fifteen minutes max? 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.280 Wow, fifty If a player lost their clubs and we 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.120 had nothing else to do and press for time. 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:43.840 We could do it under an hour, all fourteen. 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:45.399 You can do a set of clubs and we could 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:47.120 do it probably forty five minutes to an hour, pending 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:47.960 the model of the iron. 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:49.359 That's the biggest pending. 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:52.600 Which player is the most involved in the tweaks that 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.840 maybe has the most like personal assistance to what they 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:57.799 want done to their golf clubs, to their bad week 0:02:57.840 --> 0:02:58.040 to week. 0:02:58.120 --> 0:02:59.200 That's a great question. 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.200 Like Tyroll, whenever he does something to his clubs, he 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.840 is always essence and terror was. 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.560 Here here earlier with a couple of platter grip on right. 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:10.680 So he's not gonna regrip anything without his preser. He's 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:12.320 not going to move a waft why without him there. 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.440 He wants to see it and look at it, be 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.120 a part of the process where some other guys are like, oh, yeah, 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:18.200 I've been my club two degrees. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.520 Has any player ever literally regripped their own club or 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.160 bent the loft in line themselves or not yet? 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.639 Jack, Has anyone ever regripped their own clubs in here? 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:29.919 There's no way, no way. 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.440 You've so no, You've never seen a player in here 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:36.000 regrip in their own stuff. No chance, any request. Anybody 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:37.440 ever said, I like to regrip. 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:37.760 My own clubs. 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:44.280 John Day, Yes, John Daily grinded his own John Day 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:45.960 grinded on a crossover. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:47.800 PG Championship and the crossovers hollow. 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:49.880 I thought he was gonna I was worried he was 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:51.680 just gonna keep going on the soul and like, oh 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:52.320 there's a hole. 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:54.520 Like I was like, well, this could go bad. 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.640 I feel like that's that mix, Marty, of the kind 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.600 of the younger generation maybe versus some of the old players. 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.760 Is I mean, you know, twenty years ago, thirty years ago, 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.800 you grinded your own clubs, and you probably regripped a 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.480 lot of your own clubs. And now obviously collegiately and 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.320 even in junior programs, somebody is going to be doing 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:13.200 that for a lot of these players. 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:13.400 Yeah. 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.320 And that's a great point because like even from like 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:19.080 driver fitting aspects, like I remember with Westwood and Bubba 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.800 and older guys, they were always like when they're when 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.040 their driver cracked, it was like, oh my gosh, this could. 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:25.920 Take an all day. Yeah he could be done. This 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.080 is this is it. But like you know, so I 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:30.240 hit the goall breaks driver. He's like, okay, just will 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:31.840 be another one. It's fine, I'll be fine. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.520 Like you bring out the track man, you're ready to go. 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:36.280 He's like, oh no, bro, I'm just gonna go to 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:36.560 the course. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:37.560 It's fine. 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:38.400 I trust you. 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:38.640 Yeah. 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.240 It's which is an important part of the relationship though, 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.880 and is the trust in what we're doing with our equipment, 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.320 making sure it's specked out perfectly. And I mean there 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.279 is a level of perfection that you guys obviously abide 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:50.960 by to make sure that when you give them a 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:52.560 new club they can be confident. 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.320 And what you guys just did to for sure, that's 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:55.800 one of our I think one of the best parts 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.160 about our driver. We make a great driver the first time, 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.200 we make the same driver the second time, and that's 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.280 not easy to do, and we do a very good 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:03.800 job of that. 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:05.840 So what are what are some things that go into that? 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.240 So Jack has a spec sheet that he does that 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:10.719 it's every player has no own Excel file. And like 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:17.200 on a driver, we got length, loft setting, tipping of 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:23.680 the shaft, swing weight, headwight, gegle location, so that's CG 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.279 shifter location, so that everything's on there. 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.320 And that's for and that's for every club, and that's 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.600 every player, and you got everything. So and you were 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.960 talking about texting with players, I mean, is that basically 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.520 the system now? I mean in modern society, they're sending 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.440 you a texting and I want to I want a 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.719 different grind on this wedge or I would like a 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:41.280 different grip on my plutter, things like that. 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:42.719 So at Sunday night, it's really easy. 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.080 You're on a plane, you're now working Spencer and I 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.120 will send out text to our play The guys on 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:49.320 our staff will divide it up, send the text out, 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.039 get the text back, and then you're ready. 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:52.960 To roll Monday morning. So Monday mornings we're doing. 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.200 A lot of like is that the busiest part Mondays? 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.480 Either, Monday mornings are like probably Jack and Adam's busiest 0:05:58.480 --> 0:05:59.600 part because we'll get a lot of like, hey I 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:02.200 want fresh I'm gonna do new grips. And then Tuesday 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:03.960 is probably the most active day on the range if 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.240 players do want to do active like fitting or testing 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:07.160 throughout the week. 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.080 Okay, what's like an example of the smallest little change 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.080 to like a club you've made for a player, you 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:13.520 know what I mean? 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.719 Like I don't know I'm thinking, like you need to get. 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.440 Just one hundred RPMs more spind or a quarter degree. 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:23.039 Aloft or something like that. We do that a lot 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:24.080 with drivers. 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.520 Actually like the driver fitting because I think we're so 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:27.960 precise in how we build them. 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.360 We have a really operate like if you're playing. 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.520 Nine point five degrees that week, obviously this thing rolls 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:35.120 down the road. So we kind of always look at 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.200 our gauges as a week to week basis too, Like 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:39.760 his driver's nine to five today, and we're gonna base 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:41.920 it off that, and it's like spinning at twenty seven 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:43.839 hundred and they want to spend at twenty five hundred. 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:45.800 We'll definitely build a head like at nine point five 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.280 and like, which is pretty cool to see when you 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.240 bring it out and it's like like Corey Connor is 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.719 before Valero, He's like, my driver is just under spinning 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:55.640 just a little bit. And it was like, whatever it 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:57.440 is was call it nine. We brought it like nine 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.760 point two, spends two and more RPMs and then you wins. 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.280 So it's pretty cool when stuff like that happens. Player 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.800 Like Corey's like it's underspinning. What does he see on 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.680 the course? Like, what's the problem with that. I think 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:11.440 that most players, when they're saying it's underspinning, especially got 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.880 like Cory hitches so straight. He's not so much seeing 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.200 the fact that he's hitting bad shots. They start to 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.040 feel like a little anxiety and out of control. On 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.000 the ever so slight misses, it starts to tail to 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.960 the right. That's the biggest Guys will see spin and 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.640 right misses go together, and that freaks some guys out. 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.080 It's like they're supposed to live at twenty five. They 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:30.960 start to see when it dips it two thousand. The 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.440 good ones are still fine, but that slightness is now 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.960 Like Corey is a drawer too, so it's not drawing, 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:36.520 and he's. 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:40.240 Like, this is not drawing. Yeah, I have problems. So 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:41.320 the every day golfer, they. 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:42.840 Go in and get fit for their driver, and their 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.240 window spin might be like, you know, four hundred rpm. 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.640 You know they had ten good shots, it's gonna be 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:49.760 up and down three four hundred. 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:53.320 Who's like they got the tightest spin range, s consistency 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.920 on a driver out here, Corey Corey. 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:56.440 Corey's is so good. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.320 I don't know if it's because he's a drawer, so 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.680 the faces of it's just really walked into his path. 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.000 But like Corey when he gets locked in, like he's 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.800 between really good right now, it's twenty three to twenty 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:08.240 four hundred, and it's every single swat every time. 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:09.080 That's crazy. 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.440 Every time, you know, there was there were stories of 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.160 like Tiger Back of the Day and VJA changing wedges 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:15.960 week to week. Yeah, I know, VJ sing was a 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.760 big wedge, different wedge every week. Is there somebody that 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.960 you guys work with that changes wedges that much or 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:23.160 even close to that much? 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.080 Yeah, Hovelind and Taylor More I would say they go 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.280 through sixty degrees every two tournaments. Every two tournaments they 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.440 go through a sixty degree and most guys have now 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.320 they've the middle wedges. Guys have like embraced the fact 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:36.640 that like my fifty and fifty four to fifty six, 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.000 whatever they may play is actually maybe a little better 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.160 as time goes on. So little letos kind of just 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.320 decay a little bit, and now the ball is not 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.760 from one forty, it's stopping and not coming all the 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.079 way back. But sixty degrees like yeah, Taylor, I know 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:49.760 does a lot and Hovland does. 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.599 A lot or wedges, the most consistent love that you 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:54.640 guys work on week to week. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:56.560 Wedges and regripts are probably the things that we do 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.320 every single week. Like Shamous Power, he uses a lot 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.360 of wedges too, and when he does wedges, he does 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.400 them all. So he does every single off and he 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.800 does wedges probably two to three tournaments, and he does 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:06.880 grips two to three tournaments. 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:08.720 I was gonna ask about grips, is that what what 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:10.880 do you think is? Maybe I would say the average 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:12.280 in terms of how long a player is going to 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.320 use a grip three tournaments, that's it. 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:16.760 A month because then you got guys are taking they're 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:18.800 probably taking a week off in there, right, So it's 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.080 not like if they played three in a row and 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.040 then take a week off and then they come out, 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:24.000 that's five weeks to them. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.600 Three tournaments for like, yeah, three a month is about 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.079 what I'm not gonna feels guilty. I changed my grips 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:29.720 twice a year. 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.920 Yeah, I mean, this is the thing Marty that I 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:34.840 feel like I focus the most most on is the 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.280 thing that I'm the most obsessed with his new gloves, 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.199 new grips, and I'm maybe twice a year. 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:40.320 So now I feel way better. 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:41.760 I don't think I'm wasted nearly. 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:43.880 I'm going to once a quarter now. Yeah. Correct, And 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.480 they get new gloves every week, so every week. I mean, 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:48.800 you can tell we've talked about you. You can see that. 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.800 As I've said about golfers, there's no feeling better than 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.760 the new glove. The new glove on the first t 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:56.360 is a pretty epic situation. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.800 So, okay, we talked about drivers, spin under, spinning, find 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:03.040 their right window. What about irons, man, because the everyday 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.640 golfers out there, they might begin fitted indoor place, their 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.120 irons are spinning low, they're going far. It looks all good, 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.680 but what you know, I know you guys work a 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.280 ton with your players. I'm like, if an iron is 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.720 not spinning enough, what are the players seeing? What are 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:18.520 they struggling with? 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:18.720 What? 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.599 How do you find the right window you need to 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:22.480 get it into it? That's a great question. 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:25.880 I think something that's really misunder not so much misunderstood, 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:27.839 but there's a lot more to an iron spin rate 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.760 than Corey Connor spends his seven iron at sixty two 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.640 hundred and Tony Fenale spends his seven iron sixty seven hundred. 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:35.120 Is Tony's better than Corey. 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.200 Like, so, I think the things you got to look 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.080 at is we look a lot at landing angle and 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.920 met peak height, and we're trying to get fifty degrees 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.320 of landing angle and over one hundred and five feet 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:46.960 a height. If you can do both of those things, 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.640 you can stop the ball on most PJA tour greens. 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:52.120 That's a good recipe. 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:53.640 The guys that come from and we see a lot 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.080 from guys that come from corn Faerry, corn Ferry, the 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.559 courses are a little bit shorter, they're softer, you can 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:01.680 kind of eyes come in. They hit lower shots and 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:03.920 then they're like they get to Bay Hill and they're like, 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:05.720 I just hit a seven iron. I hit the green 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:07.520 and I was really close to like out of bounds, 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.000 Like what happened here? I go, Yeah, they're really firm 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:11.760 out here. So you have to kind of talk through 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.800 that process. And sometimes that guy's seven iron didn't spin 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.199 anymore like he's still but we were able to increase 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:19.800 height with a shaft change or just adding some waft 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.560 or adding some some other things in there. But sometimes 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.280 sixty two it can be low spin and still have 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.880 enough stopping pier or it could be high spin if 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.640 you want it to well, it's still gonna come down woe. 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:31.000 So we're really looking at how the ball is coming 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.120 down and then going out on the course and trying 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:34.760 to see like, Okay, i'm gonna stand on the green, 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:36.439 you're gonna hit a pitching ledge and I'm gonna I'm 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:37.280 gonna tell you where. 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.120 This pitch and we're gonna make this shirt safts. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.600 Yeah, yeah, So what are the levers you pull on 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.680 to Let's say you need to increase spin for a player, like, 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:46.000 what would those levers be? 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.400 You know, loftling waft would be the first we'd be like, hey, 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.320 are you okay? If we just spend them weak? 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:51.800 Yep? 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:53.680 In those gaps where we'll talk about what that's gonna 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:55.920 happen in your gaps. If they're playing a blueprint or 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.719 a smaller model, we'll be like, can you look at 0:11:58.720 --> 0:11:59.240 something different? 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.839 Where nine or what a two thirty? Can you look 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:02.120 at that? 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.640 And a lot of the times that conversation ends in no, 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:07.719 in my seven iron, but yes in my four, five 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:11.080 and six right right. And that's where the problem really 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.360 lies is the you know, most professional golfers seven eight, 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.240 nine irons, they can stop them four, five six, it 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.880 becomes a little yeah. And then length is something will 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:21.800 go at as well if they're if you know, if 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.680 it's standard length. And that's another thing in long irons. 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.040 Add a quarter inch to your four iron, leave the 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:28.800 loft the same. You get a little more ball speed, 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:30.760 you get two or three hundred more RPMs, and then 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:32.760 you're that peak I will go up like that eight. 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:34.240 So it really is a lot. 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.280 Now you say, it's really a lot of massaging that 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.240 long iron, that four or five six iron. 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.560 Range, because this is pretty cool, ko, because I mean 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:43.320 a big thing. I feel like my roles man is 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.800 to take hey man, all these little nuanced things that 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:47.600 you guys do with the tower players, how do we 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.400 give them to the every day right? So, like you know, 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.680 our g series irons are distance irons. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.680 We progress the lengths longer, and it matches exactly what 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:58.160 you guys are doing in the long irons, right. The 0:12:58.160 --> 0:12:59.320 long irons are getting longer. 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.040 Long irons get longer, so you a little more club speed, 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.480 you get a little more dynamic loft combine, you get 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.360 a little more ball speed. You combine all both those 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:08.800 send that ball up in the air a little bit more. Yeah, 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:09.640 that's one thing you educate. 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.040 We've had you guys don't really they don't see it 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:12.720 right when. 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:13.400 You say it, they get it. 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:16.719 But if you just take all the same watch conditions 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:18.360 and add five miles of ball. 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.600 Speed, you're gaining four or five feet a peak height. 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.200 And guys they don't really once you say it to 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:24.280 them like, oh that makes sense. 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:25.400 Yeah, but they don't see that. 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.679 So just that little length or then like by the 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:29.480 foreign you can either you can add the length and 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:30.920 keep the loft if they just want the height, or 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:32.199 if like, hey, I got to gap this to my 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.080 seven order my hybrid, add the length and then deloft 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:36.559 it and now you have the same peak hide and 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:37.440 you gain five six yards. 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.439 Yes, what's the weirdest request you've had in this truck 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.480 over the years. Oh, my gosh, maybe maybe a club 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.080 being built or something you guys don't even build. What's 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.560 been a what's been one of the stranger requests you've received? 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.440 You only have the name of player just in terms 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:50.760 of the club. 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.480 One of the weirdest things that ever happened was my 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:57.480 rookie year on tour, we had a staff player bend 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.240 his irons from he played black color code to like 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.080 silver color code. 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:03.880 So give that to context it. 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.839 So they went from standard color code to fort degrees upright, 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:08.199 and this gentleman is. 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:11.760 Five to seven. What happened? So? 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:12.480 How was the week? 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.320 Not great? So it was that pet we asked him, 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.120 was like, so number one, it's nine iron broke. Like 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:18.800 in competition. 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:20.880 We got a text from the caddies because like we 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:22.200 we just spent them all up round like, oh well, 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:22.920 this hozzle broke. 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:24.720 We asked him. 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:26.200 The next week at Riviera, came in and he's like, 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.560 I'm sorry. I'm sorry, guys, I was wrong. We gotta 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:31.560 go back whatever, no problem, we'll start over. And Christian 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.160 was running the tour at that time, and he's. 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.080 Like, when did you know this was a bad idea? 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.720 It's four degrees upright, pebble beach. 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.600 He's like, I was pretty sure early, but on the 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.640 tenth hole when I had the ball below my feet 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.000