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Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how

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Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can

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Speaker 1: hit any shot I kind of want.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about

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Speaker 2: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast Shane Vaik

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Speaker 3: and Marty Jertsen, and we are in the Ping tour truck,

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Speaker 3: which means we're with a man that spends a lot

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Speaker 3: of time in this truck.

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Speaker 1: Kenton Oates Kenton, how many weeks a year are you

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Speaker 1: involved in this truck out on tour?

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Speaker 4: Probably thirty thirty ish weeks a year on this chariler.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you know every inch to this place?

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Speaker 1: Did you find anything in two seconds?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: I couldn't.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of drawers back there that I don't open,

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Speaker 5: and there's a lot of stuff that you can find.

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Speaker 5: I'm pretty good, but I don't know. I haven't don't

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Speaker 5: know everything yet.

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Speaker 4: So what it?

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Speaker 3: Just so you know, people see these trucks every year,

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Speaker 3: they see all the tour trucks from different brands, and

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Speaker 3: they show up. What's the schedule, Like, what day do

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Speaker 3: you get to a tournament. What dat you leave to

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Speaker 3: go on to the next place.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So in my role, I'm leaving on Sunday, hopefully

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Speaker 5: Sunday evenings, spend as much time as I can with

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Speaker 5: my family on Sunday, and then we're leaving you know,

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Speaker 5: five six pm on Wednesday. So that's that's the the

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Speaker 5: for me. That's what I'm doing. That's what Spencer is

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Speaker 5: doing as well. And then Jack and Adam, the other

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Speaker 5: two guys on my team, they're either flying in on

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Speaker 5: that same schedule or this thing doesn't just you know.

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Speaker 4: Magically appear. It's got to drive.

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Speaker 5: So from this week it'll roll down to Dallas and

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Speaker 5: it'll take two or three days to do that. So

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Speaker 5: Jack will do that and then he'll just be out

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Speaker 4: So hey, give a.

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Speaker 2: Little overview of like what all the equipment is on

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Speaker 2: the truck, Like what do we got here? Not only

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Speaker 2: club building stuff? Like how much does the truck weigh?

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Speaker 2: What does it take to drive this thing?

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Speaker 5: Sixty three pounds of grinding of grips of clubs. I

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Speaker 5: feel like there's got to be like two grand of

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Speaker 5: that in hatch or two Like what I mean, there's

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Speaker 5: a lot of hats on this thing.

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Speaker 3: So when players come here, are the players coming here

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Speaker 3: or caddies coming in.

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Speaker 1: To get stuff fixed? Is it a mix of both?

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Speaker 3: Like what do you think the percentages of players maybe

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Speaker 3: versus someone on their team coming in to get something tweaked.

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Speaker 5: I would say it's about fifty to fifty, and a

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Speaker 5: lot of it is, you know, if it's play, it's

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Speaker 5: usually from a text that we sent out.

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Speaker 4: Player's presence on the trailer is really driven.

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Speaker 5: By how close we are to the driving bench. If

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Speaker 5: we're close to the range, they're coming in all the time,

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Speaker 5: grabbing snacks, hanging out doing that. There's some events where

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Speaker 5: were like Phoenix, we're miles away, so they won't be

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Speaker 5: there in as much, but they'll shoot us a text

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Speaker 5: and then they'll send their caddy and to do that.

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Speaker 2: So how long does it take to bill Let's say

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Speaker 2: you're building a new five wood for a player for

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Speaker 4: I mean, how long? What's that process? Look like?

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Speaker 5: A fairway would if everyone is like if we got

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Speaker 5: Jack Adams, Spencer, myself, everyone's hands on deck one fairywood

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Speaker 5: could take it's got a cure.

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Speaker 4: So fifteen minutes max?

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Speaker 5: Wow, fifty If a player lost their clubs and we

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Speaker 5: had nothing else to do and press for time.

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Speaker 4: We could do it under an hour, all fourteen.

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Speaker 5: You can do a set of clubs and we could

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Speaker 5: do it probably forty five minutes to an hour, pending

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Speaker 5: the model of the iron.

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Speaker 4: That's the biggest pending.

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Speaker 3: Which player is the most involved in the tweaks that

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Speaker 3: maybe has the most like personal assistance to what they

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Speaker 3: want done to their golf clubs, to their bad week

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Speaker 4: That's a great question.

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Speaker 5: Like Tyroll, whenever he does something to his clubs, he

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Speaker 1: Here here earlier with a couple of platter grip on right.

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Speaker 5: So he's not gonna regrip anything without his preser. He's

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Speaker 5: not going to move a waft why without him there.

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Speaker 5: He wants to see it and look at it, be

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Speaker 5: a part of the process where some other guys are like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I've been my club two degrees.

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Speaker 2: Has any player ever literally regripped their own club or

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Speaker 2: bent the loft in line themselves or not yet?

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Speaker 4: Jack, Has anyone ever regripped their own clubs in here?

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Speaker 4: There's no way, no way.

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Speaker 3: You've so no, You've never seen a player in here

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Speaker 3: regrip in their own stuff. No chance, any request. Anybody

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Speaker 3: ever said, I like to regrip.

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Speaker 1: My own clubs.

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Speaker 3: John Day, Yes, John Daily grinded his own John Day

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Speaker 3: grinded on a crossover.

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Speaker 4: PG Championship and the crossovers hollow.

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Speaker 5: I thought he was gonna I was worried he was

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Speaker 5: just gonna keep going on the soul and like, oh

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Speaker 4: Like I was like, well, this could go bad.

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Speaker 3: I feel like that's that mix, Marty, of the kind

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Speaker 3: of the younger generation maybe versus some of the old players.

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Speaker 3: Is I mean, you know, twenty years ago, thirty years ago,

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Speaker 3: you grinded your own clubs, and you probably regripped a

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Speaker 3: lot of your own clubs. And now obviously collegiately and

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Speaker 3: even in junior programs, somebody is going to be doing

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Speaker 3: that for a lot of these players.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And that's a great point because like even from like

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Speaker 5: driver fitting aspects, like I remember with Westwood and Bubba

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Speaker 5: and older guys, they were always like when they're when

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Speaker 5: their driver cracked, it was like, oh my gosh, this could.

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Speaker 4: Take an all day. Yeah he could be done. This

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Speaker 4: is this is it. But like you know, so I

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Speaker 4: hit the goall breaks driver. He's like, okay, just will

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Speaker 4: be another one. It's fine, I'll be fine.

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Speaker 5: Like you bring out the track man, you're ready to go.

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Speaker 5: He's like, oh no, bro, I'm just gonna go to

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Speaker 5: the course.

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Speaker 4: It's fine.

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Speaker 1: I trust you.

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Speaker 3: It's which is an important part of the relationship though,

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Speaker 3: and is the trust in what we're doing with our equipment,

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Speaker 3: making sure it's specked out perfectly. And I mean there

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Speaker 3: is a level of perfection that you guys obviously abide

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Speaker 3: by to make sure that when you give them a

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Speaker 5: And what you guys just did to for sure, that's

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Speaker 5: one of our I think one of the best parts

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Speaker 5: about our driver. We make a great driver the first time,

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Speaker 5: we make the same driver the second time, and that's

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Speaker 4: So what are what are some things that go into that?

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Speaker 5: So Jack has a spec sheet that he does that

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Speaker 5: it's every player has no own Excel file. And like

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Speaker 5: on a driver, we got length, loft setting, tipping of

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Speaker 5: the shaft, swing weight, headwight, gegle location, so that's CG

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Speaker 5: shifter location, so that everything's on there.

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Speaker 3: And that's for and that's for every club, and that's

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Speaker 3: every player, and you got everything. So and you were

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Speaker 3: talking about texting with players, I mean, is that basically

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Speaker 3: the system now? I mean in modern society, they're sending

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Speaker 3: you a texting and I want to I want a

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Speaker 3: different grind on this wedge or I would like a

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Speaker 3: different grip on my plutter, things like that.

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Speaker 4: So at Sunday night, it's really easy.

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Speaker 5: You're on a plane, you're now working Spencer and I

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Speaker 5: will send out text to our play The guys on

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Speaker 5: our staff will divide it up, send the text out,

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Speaker 5: get the text back, and then you're ready.

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Speaker 4: To roll Monday morning. So Monday mornings we're doing.

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Speaker 1: A lot of like is that the busiest part Mondays?

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Speaker 5: Either, Monday mornings are like probably Jack and Adam's busiest

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Speaker 5: part because we'll get a lot of like, hey I

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Speaker 5: want fresh I'm gonna do new grips. And then Tuesday

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Speaker 5: is probably the most active day on the range if

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Speaker 5: players do want to do active like fitting or testing

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Speaker 5: throughout the week.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's like an example of the smallest little change

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Speaker 2: to like a club you've made for a player, you

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Speaker 4: Like I don't know I'm thinking, like you need to get.

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Speaker 2: Just one hundred RPMs more spind or a quarter degree.

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Speaker 4: Aloft or something like that. We do that a lot

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Speaker 5: Actually like the driver fitting because I think we're so

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Speaker 4: We have a really operate like if you're playing.

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Speaker 5: Nine point five degrees that week, obviously this thing rolls

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Speaker 5: his driver's nine to five today, and we're gonna base

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Speaker 5: it off that, and it's like spinning at twenty seven

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Speaker 5: We'll definitely build a head like at nine point five

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Speaker 5: bring it out and it's like like Corey Connor is

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Speaker 5: before Valero, He's like, my driver is just under spinning

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Speaker 5: just a little bit. And it was like, whatever it

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Speaker 5: is was call it nine. We brought it like nine

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Speaker 5: point two, spends two and more RPMs and then you wins.

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Speaker 5: So it's pretty cool when stuff like that happens. Player

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Speaker 5: Like Corey's like it's underspinning. What does he see on

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Speaker 5: the course? Like, what's the problem with that. I think

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Speaker 5: that most players, when they're saying it's underspinning, especially got

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Speaker 5: like Cory hitches so straight. He's not so much seeing

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Speaker 5: the fact that he's hitting bad shots. They start to

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Speaker 5: the right. That's the biggest Guys will see spin and

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Speaker 5: right misses go together, and that freaks some guys out.

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Speaker 5: It's like they're supposed to live at twenty five. They

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Speaker 5: start to see when it dips it two thousand. The

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Speaker 5: good ones are still fine, but that slightness is now

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Speaker 5: Like Corey is a drawer too, so it's not drawing,

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Speaker 4: Like, this is not drawing. Yeah, I have problems. So

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Speaker 4: the every day golfer, they.

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Speaker 2: Go in and get fit for their driver, and their

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Speaker 2: window spin might be like, you know, four hundred rpm.

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Speaker 4: You know they had ten good shots, it's gonna be

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Speaker 4: up and down three four hundred.

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Speaker 2: Who's like they got the tightest spin range, s consistency

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Speaker 2: on a driver out here, Corey Corey.

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Speaker 4: Corey's is so good.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if it's because he's a drawer, so

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Speaker 5: the faces of it's just really walked into his path.

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Speaker 5: But like Corey when he gets locked in, like he's

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Speaker 5: between really good right now, it's twenty three to twenty

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Speaker 5: four hundred, and it's every single swat every time.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Every time, you know, there was there were stories of

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Speaker 4: That's a good recipe.

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Speaker 5: The guys that come from and we see a lot

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Speaker 5: In those gaps where we'll talk about what that's gonna

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Speaker 5: We've had you guys don't really they don't see it

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Speaker 3: Yes, what's the weirdest request you've had in this truck

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Speaker 5: One of the weirdest things that ever happened was my

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Speaker 4: Like, when did you know this was a bad idea?

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Speaker 4: They don't have a Pacific Ocean.

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Speaker 3: I was like, well, so you're you're saying when you

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Speaker 5: Ley ending the player. It's obviously different, your relationships different.

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Speaker 4: These guys were on our range at fifteen years old.

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Speaker 5: Like, I mean, that's so And I've had been blessed

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Speaker 4: Yes, like I he would have not mentioned the.

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of activity going around here.

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Speaker 1: Is this like the nap Is this like nap area?

443
00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:20,240
Speaker 3: Here?

444
00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,360
Speaker 4: This could be nap area. You definitely could.

445
00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,360
Speaker 3: You can catch a snooze right here, right here on

446
00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,200
Speaker 3: the couch because you know, I mean like you got

447
00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,240
Speaker 3: work over either. This feels a little bit more like

448
00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:29,720
Speaker 3: the laid back section.

449
00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,360
Speaker 5: We got a couple, we got a couple of guys

450
00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:32,760
Speaker 5: on the team, you know might seek in a nap

451
00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,120
Speaker 5: on the on the on the down.

452
00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,320
Speaker 3: Happens in the media center too, just don't think it happens.

453
00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:39,720
Speaker 3: There are some snooze spots there as well.

454
00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,920
Speaker 2: It's okayo, who is name a player that's like super

455
00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,080
Speaker 2: technical in terms of their numbers, Like they know all

456
00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,320
Speaker 2: their track man numbers and then name and name.

457
00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,400
Speaker 4: Someone the it doesn't know anything. We're all the field.

458
00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,480
Speaker 2: They just eyeball and see a window whatever here. That's

459
00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,680
Speaker 2: super technical. Track Man Hobland, okay knows his numbers. He

460
00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,040
Speaker 2: not only does he like he knows his carry numbers

461
00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,360
Speaker 2: of his golf club. He knows like when I'm swinging good,

462
00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,240
Speaker 2: my path is to this, he knows all of it, like,

463
00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,120
Speaker 2: and he's working off of like if his swing goes off,

464
00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:08,840
Speaker 2: he's not only looking at video, he's going back and

465
00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,639
Speaker 2: looking at TrackMan data to try to correct it. So

466
00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,360
Speaker 2: it's funny you say that I was on the ring.

467
00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,680
Speaker 2: I was on the chipping green with him last night

468
00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,480
Speaker 2: and we had track man out hitting an eight yard.

469
00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,720
Speaker 2: He was carrying the ship eight yards and measuring all expense. Yeah, right,

470
00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:22,760
Speaker 2: So that's okay.

471
00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:23,480
Speaker 4: So he's into it.

472
00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,680
Speaker 3: So like I mean, Marty, when you see that, and

473
00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,439
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously he's a young player, and track Man

474
00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,800
Speaker 3: has been in Victor's life probably since he was a

475
00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:30,600
Speaker 3: junior golfer.

476
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Speaker 1: When you see that.

477
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Speaker 3: As somebody that's a little bit older, is it shocking

478
00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,320
Speaker 3: to see it or is it just where golf is going?

479
00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,720
Speaker 4: I think it's where golf is going, and it still is.

480
00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,200
Speaker 2: He's he's just using it to incentivize his learning, right,

481
00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,800
Speaker 2: It's just it's just improving the feedback loop. Like he

482
00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,199
Speaker 2: can see what's going on, he can feel it. You know,

483
00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,120
Speaker 2: if the chip slips, he could feel it. But he's

484
00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,080
Speaker 2: just getting that faster feedback mechanism.

485
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Speaker 1: It's like, why not use it?

486
00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,880
Speaker 3: I mean I battle with this in my own golf

487
00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,080
Speaker 3: game right now and like lasering short shots, Oh yeah,

488
00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,159
Speaker 3: where Like I'm still trying to the cutoff because like

489
00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,439
Speaker 3: you know, you'll have a caddy Like I was just

490
00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:03,920
Speaker 3: on a golf trip a couple of weeks ago, and

491
00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,000
Speaker 3: you have a caddy and he shoots thirty four yards yea,

492
00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:07,040
Speaker 3: And when I you know.

493
00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:07,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to know.

494
00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,240
Speaker 4: You're like, well, I don't want to see it. Ill

495
00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:11,840
Speaker 4: cut off for you?

496
00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,840
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think I think somewhere in the

497
00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,720
Speaker 3: thirties is not good. I don't think I want to

498
00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,280
Speaker 3: know thirties. I think I think you can shoot me

499
00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,280
Speaker 3: at forty numbers, but I don't want to know thirty four.

500
00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:21,120
Speaker 4: Let me tell you.

501
00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,360
Speaker 3: When he told me thirty four yards, guys, the shot

502
00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:24,520
Speaker 3: didn't en up where I wanted it to.

503
00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,280
Speaker 4: So I mean, when you go to the half yard,

504
00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:26,920
Speaker 4: when do you need to know?

505
00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,040
Speaker 1: Tell me I never need to know a half yard.

506
00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm not good enough to know a half yard.

507
00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,040
Speaker 3: But you know, it's it's just so interesting, is there's

508
00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,720
Speaker 3: somebody that knows, that knows little about their numbers, that

509
00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,960
Speaker 3: doesn't care about their numbers in the sense of it's

510
00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,040
Speaker 3: not on their brain.

511
00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like Stephan Yeager, he's not a big number guy.

512
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Speaker 5: And when he talks to his coach, Josh Gregory, some

513
00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:44,760
Speaker 5: of their interactions.

514
00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,240
Speaker 4: Are my favorite, Like ye like with Driver, he says

515
00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:48,720
Speaker 4: like I just want to hit hard, and.

516
00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,560
Speaker 5: I want to hit hard and make sure it falls

517
00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,600
Speaker 5: to the right, and like it's like Ricky Bobby track

518
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,120
Speaker 5: Man could say anything and the Aggers like I don't.

519
00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,399
Speaker 4: It's like I don't care what it looks like. I

520
00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:58,680
Speaker 4: don't want to see a video. I just want to

521
00:18:58,760 --> 00:18:59,880
Speaker 4: hit hard and have it fall to the right.

522
00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,440
Speaker 5: And then saw Hith isn't a big number guy, and

523
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,080
Speaker 5: his feel he's such he is such a field player

524
00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,000
Speaker 5: that like there's days like we'll get he uses a

525
00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,120
Speaker 5: quad just you know, know his carry yardages. But there's

526
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,760
Speaker 5: days where like he'll be like, oh man, my atern's

527
00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,879
Speaker 5: only going one sixty. And then I remember John direst

528
00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,480
Speaker 5: Subody's like, heyll my Aterron's going one ninety five, and

529
00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,320
Speaker 5: he's like he doesn't know what why it's happening.

530
00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,280
Speaker 4: And so he's Saw there's probably our most feel player. Okay, yeah, yeah.

531
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,080
Speaker 5: He's just hands for days hitting. So I'm like, well,

532
00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,040
Speaker 5: you're seeing so many different shots.

533
00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like and this has to be such a

534
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,440
Speaker 3: difficult part of you guys job here in the truck

535
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:39,000
Speaker 3: is it's not just technology, it's personality based as well,

536
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,680
Speaker 3: where you have to understand and again, this is part

537
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 3: of experience. When you're a rookie, maybe don't understand this

538
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 3: nearly as much as you do if you've been doing

539
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,359
Speaker 3: this for a few years. But your job is not

540
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,920
Speaker 3: only to hand a player the perfect club for what

541
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,720
Speaker 3: they're trying to do, but understand how much information they

542
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,160
Speaker 3: need to know when you give him that golf. Yeah.

543
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,840
Speaker 5: Correct, I always say when people come and talk and

544
00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 5: ask me, like what makes a good tour rep? I

545
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,480
Speaker 5: think the big thing I look at my job is like,

546
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,480
Speaker 5: I'm trying to earn credit with all my staff players, right,

547
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 5: I'm trying to take it as much cred as I can.

548
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,800
Speaker 5: Go put their hats in their locker, go help them

549
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 5: do this, try to help them out with their seven

550
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 5: iron or their driver here and there. And the more

551
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 5: credit I can earn, then that gives me that time

552
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,680
Speaker 5: frame when I really need to step and be like listen,

553
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,920
Speaker 5: just sit down and talk about this. They're gonna maybe

554
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 5: listen to me a little more because I've earned some

555
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 5: value throughout this whole year.

556
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 4: So that's that's how I look at your toy.

557
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 5: Right, It's a personal relationship with every guy, and people

558
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 5: are all different.

559
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, that's a great point. So hey, let's

560
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,399
Speaker 2: turn it to the everyday golferst right, And it's like,

561
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,919
Speaker 2: maybe you don't think about this that much, but what

562
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 2: advice could the everyday golfer take from you? How you

563
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 2: fit and take care of the tour player? You know

564
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,399
Speaker 2: what I mean, what what should they focus on if

565
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 2: they go to a fitting, What should they be focusing

566
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 2: on that they might not be or hearing in some

567
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 2: marketing stuff that you know is not really like the

568
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 2: tour player to score the best, play their best, the nuts.

569
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 4: And bolts of what you're working with.

570
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 5: I think the number one thing is I would encourage

571
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 5: all amateur golfers if you're going to air and your

572
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 5: fitting of any club in the bag, air on the

573
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 5: high side of spin.

574
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 4: I think it's driven by market.

575
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,119
Speaker 5: I don't know what's driven it, but it feels like

576
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, I got there with my driver.

577
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 4: I spin at nineteen hundred.

578
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 5: I'm like, right, well, that's that's great on the one

579
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 5: shot the day you hit good.

580
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 4: So I would say even like on it just makes

581
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 4: the club more perceived.

582
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 5: If the playability is perceivably higher and plays high, your

583
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:25,640
Speaker 5: ball won't curve as much.

584
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 3: So I would say, because that almost feels counterintuitive about

585
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 3: what a person would think to think is I want the.

586
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 1: Numbers to be low, and you're saying air or the number.

587
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 5: Of air, like if it's close this air on this

588
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 5: one that spins a little bit more because the box

589
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 5: in front of you at wherever you are might say

590
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 5: it went farther, but it's not.

591
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 4: I promise you it doesn't go that much farther on

592
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 4: in real life.

593
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Speaker 5: And it really will save you for like your consistency

594
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:48,959
Speaker 5: of your scores, if you can have a little more

595
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 5: spin with every club in your bag.

596
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

597
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 2: One of the other things KO that we have the

598
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 2: luxury to do out here on tour is you fit

599
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 2: a player on the range. Ye then quite often it's like, hey,

600
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 2: let's go play it on the course. They're playing nine holes,

601
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: you walk with them three holes. How can they every

602
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 2: day golfer maybe simulate that and they're fitting when they.

603
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 4: Can't go out and play it on the ring. Correct,

604
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 4: that's a great question.

605
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 5: If they're outside, I think they have a great opportunity

606
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 5: where like hit your driver and then take a step

607
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 5: to another stall and hit a seven iron and a

608
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 5: different different windows, and then even if you want go

609
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 5: walk over and hit a putt and then come back

610
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 5: five minutes later hit that driver again, because then you're

611
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 5: not getting the We get into this bad habit out

612
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 5: here where were hitting drivers with fifteen in a row.

613
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 4: Well, he's the best, he's the best player in the world.

614
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 5: I could have given him anything, he would have probably

615
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 5: be hitting it good bye now. So that would be

616
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Speaker 5: what I would say is take some time in between

617
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 5: your stuff and just make sure that you're giving you

618
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 5: that break, hit a different club, try to stimulate playing golf,

619
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 5: because if you get into a groove, even the every

620
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 5: day golfer.

621
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Speaker 4: Is going to start to figure out what they want

622
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 4: to do with it.

623
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we kind of we'd like to call that

624
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: game like fitting. Yeah, you kind of gamify a little bit.

625
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 2: One of the other things I think I see you

626
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: guys do a great job with So you have your

627
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 2: player hit the shots are going to hit on the course.

628
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 4: Yes, it's not just stock shot. So what would that look.

629
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 2: Like either on web as their irons, Like you know what,

630
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 2: do you kind of run the player through really are making.

631
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 5: A change, really making sure like because most players have

632
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 5: their stock shot right and that's just what they're gonna hit.

633
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 5: That's what they're gonna give you out of the gate

634
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 5: for a long time. And then you're just gonna talk

635
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 5: through what club they'rehitting and like what are your specialty shots?

636
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 5: Like is there anything like under the gun you have

637
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 5: to have? And that's usually bringing the height down or

638
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 5: the height up, they'll hit those wedges. It's really important

639
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 5: in that like thirty to seventy yard window, what is

640
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 5: their technique, Like how hard are they going at those?

641
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 5: Because then we have some guys that play their wedges

642
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 5: their sixty degrees extremely flat because they're like, I'm not

643
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 5: using this outside fifty yards and at that point, their

644
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 5: technique so different.

645
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 4: There's no pull on the handle. It's coming around them

646
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 4: so much.

647
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 5: The deth club can be you know, three degrees flat,

648
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 5: and their gap ways can be standard, it doesn't matter

649
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 5: because they're like, I'm not hitting this over sixty yards.

650
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 4: Ever. So that's the other stuff that goes on out there.

651
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: So interesting.

652
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just so crazy to kind of walk

653
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: through the tour truck and just see all of the

654
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 3: you know, little tweaks happening. I mean, a big event,

655
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 3: people really excited about making sure everything's perfect, and again

656
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 3: you switch next week to a totally different golf course

657
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 3: with totally different conditions, and everything changes, and much like

658
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 3: how a player preps, you guys have to do the same.

659
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: So it's very very cool to see this.

660
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 5: That is definite probably what causes the most work in

661
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Speaker 5: the trailers. We're playing up here in Rochester, New York.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be fifty to seventy degrees where we have,

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Speaker 5: you know, primarily I think that's Rye grass, Kentucky bluegrass

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Speaker 5: rough and then we're gonna go play on Bermuda grass

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Speaker 5: in Texas and.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be ninety degrees. It's gonna you're gonna eat

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Speaker 4: something completely different for some shots.

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Speaker 5: So that's probably primarily our work is dealing in with that,

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Speaker 5: that differences of the changing stuff.

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Speaker 3: Well, very cool to see the truck. Thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for all the information, and just to take it

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Speaker 3: all in. I mean, I haven't got a new hat out.

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Speaker 4: Of it, Marty.

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Speaker 1: This is a really good deal.

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Speaker 4: For the score here. Maybe get you some new grips.

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Speaker 4: There you go.