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Speaker 1: Today on Creature feature, we'll discuss some weapons of ass distraction.

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Speaker 1: Insect butts explode, spraying deadly chemicals, Hippos make poop rockets,

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Speaker 1: Scorpions are willing to literally throw away their anus in

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Speaker 1: deadly combat. We're talking about some of the nastiest acts

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Speaker 1: of foul play in the animal and human Kingdom. And

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Speaker 1: later I'll be talking to a real life researcher and

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Speaker 1: curator at the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County

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Speaker 1: about one of the weirdest, most gruesome antal behaviors I've

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Speaker 1: ever heard of. So as we'll discuss evolution is how

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Speaker 1: should I put it inventive when it comes to weaponry?

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Speaker 1: But how about some good old American ingenuity? How do

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Speaker 1: we compare to the animal Kingdom? In World War Two,

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Speaker 1: the O S S, America's espionage agency, tried to put

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Speaker 1: a little stink on our military strategy Day. Along with

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Speaker 1: their British counterparts, were developing a stink bomb. A top

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Speaker 1: secret memo detailed the S liquid, an oily substance with

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Speaker 1: a quote highly persistent smell suggestive of personal uncleanliness. It

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Speaker 1: could be deployed via a gel capsule, a perfume atomizer

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Speaker 1: or pesticide sprayer. The intent wasn't to down the German targets,

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Speaker 1: but to make him the subject of quote derision or contempt,

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Speaker 1: ruining their morale by rendering them too stinky. Further developed

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Speaker 1: stink weapons were meant to have the quote revolting odor

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Speaker 1: of a very loose bowel movement and was codenamed the

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Speaker 1: who Me. Ultimately, this never really worked, in part due

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Speaker 1: to the unfortunate fact that the deployer of the stink

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Speaker 1: weapon usually got a taste of his own medicine, getting

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Speaker 1: contaminated with the fetid poop smelling oil. But as we'll

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Speaker 1: find out, animals are much more crafty and successful when

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Speaker 1: it comes to butt bombs. Joining me today is actor

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Speaker 1: writer bird Lover kimme a Pornia. Yeah you did it. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Very honored to be here on this butt weapon every Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I do love a butt. But this seems like the

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Speaker 1: dark side of the dark side of the butt. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And now is that like a Pink Floyd album? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's exactly the but that's exactly the title. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but stink Floyd. There you go. Boom um, why do

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Speaker 1: you like birds? Um? You know what I I like

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Speaker 1: birds because they're just really fun to look at. There

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of birds that are just dumb looking um,

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Speaker 1: The thing is, I like how I like all of

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Speaker 1: what you said. I like that birds looked dumb. They

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Speaker 1: act dumb too. They certainly do, most of them. I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously there's the African gray parrot and the corvids, and

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Speaker 1: those are all very smart. But like your your average pigeon,

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Speaker 1: just like the way they kind of like bob around. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just they also have an expression of just like what happened?

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Speaker 1: They don't know what's going on? Four or four brain off.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Pigeons are actually my favorite type of birth.

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Speaker 1: They are everywhere and they're uh full of rocks, right,

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Speaker 1: they have to be addressed eat rocks. Um. So let's

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Speaker 1: talk about exploding ant butts. Let's let's do it. Um. So,

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Speaker 1: there's a species of carpenter ant found in Malaysia and

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Speaker 1: brunet Uh. It's called Camponotus cylindricus um. So when they're attacked,

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Speaker 1: they'll violently contract their abdomen, exploding a sticky yellow glue

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Speaker 1: So the act of their butt exploding does kill the

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Speaker 1: It's just very very stick sticky and sticky and gross.

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Speaker 1: And just like you know, like that scene in The

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Speaker 1: Incredibles where Mr. Incredible gets Have you seen that gets

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Speaker 1: attacked by those googballs? Oh? Yes, and they like start

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Speaker 1: like this is a human person. I see, I see

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Speaker 1: and so because they're basically useless, which the termites are

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Speaker 1: What that's it? They can, but the blowing up is

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Speaker 1: just to get rid of themselves, doesn't do anything else

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Speaker 1: So you might wonder how to suicidal termites and ants exist,

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Speaker 1: And a slightly different story is the Bombardier beetle, which

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Speaker 1: So at the Kobe University of Japan they studied these

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Speaker 1: don't need to make yourself vo no, no, no, and

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Speaker 1: high percent. Sounds good to me. So when attacked, they

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Speaker 1: territorial behavior, that hippos are not actually territorial on land.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to get into a big controversy about

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Speaker 1: hippo's can't wait. So this idea was supported by a

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Speaker 1: study done in nineteen seventy four that showed no territoriality

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Speaker 1: amongst Mirror River hippos. This study was contradicted by a

422
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Speaker 1: more recent study done that looked at the territorial behavior

423
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Speaker 1: of a male hippo that involved poop sprang onto the

424
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Speaker 1: wall when a female hippo was introduced to his habitat.

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Speaker 1: This was done in captivity, so like, some people argue

426
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Speaker 1: that this is a different behavior than would be found

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Speaker 1: in the wild. However, the University of Michigan Museum of

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Speaker 1: Zoology notes that dung spraying is territorial and that the

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Speaker 1: areas that are sprayed by the poop usually follow along

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Speaker 1: the hippo's grazing path in territory or boundary into new territories. Um.

431
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Speaker 1: And but here's the thing. I don't know whether it

432
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Speaker 1: you look like, you're like, what's happening to me? It's

433
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Speaker 1: like what dogs do when you take him on a

434
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Speaker 1: walk and on everything everywhere you think like, and I

435
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: mean like, some biologists think it is territorial and some don't.

436
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: And here's but I have a theory. Okay, I think

437
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Speaker 1: they just love it. I think they love pooping. So

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Speaker 1: another hippo behavior, according to the Social Life of Hippos,

439
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: is dung showering of other hippos, used as a display

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Speaker 1: of dominance. Um. The San Diego Zoo notes that dominant

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00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: males spray there poop onto subordinate males. Here's the thing.

442
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: Supportinate males will also spray their poop in the faces

443
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: of dominant males. I don't know, is that really a

444
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: display of dominance or do they just like getting brown

445
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: showers all the time? Gross to say, but I do.

446
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: It does sound like hippos just love it. Seems like

447
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: they love it. There's a lot and if you're eating

448
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: something right now, I apologize, sorry, sorry, but there's a

449
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: lot of smelling, licking and eating of the dung. Yeah, yikes.

450
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Speaker 1: Is it good for them? Is it like they're supposed

451
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: to eat that stuff? Don't think so. I think it's okay.

452
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: But it's not like there's certain things like like they're

453
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Speaker 1: ruminants animals that um uh will eat stuff and like

454
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: they have um they'll actually like pass things like rabbits

455
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: and getting pigs will pass like poop and then like

456
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: eat that. And it's actually like a special type of

457
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: poop that has um. It's just like once digested, but

458
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: stuff that can still have nutrients taken from it, and

459
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: so that can be But I don't think this is

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Speaker 1: the case of that. I think this is just purely

461
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: for the joy of rolling around in their own films.

462
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: So how many times a day what was just pop.

463
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Speaker 1: It seems like all the time constantly bikes. And you said,

464
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: their tails just like spread around like the wagon pop. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you have seen, if you've ever gone to the zoo,

466
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Speaker 1: hang around the hippos for a while because it will happen.

467
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Speaker 1: And it's quite interesting because they're a little tails just

468
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: like like goes like like poop everywhere. Wow. Um. But

469
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: so they're not not the only ones guilty of using

470
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: poop as a sort of projectile. But this is not

471
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Speaker 1: a weapon. This is just they just like they just

472
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Speaker 1: love it. I just included it because I mean, there

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Speaker 1: is the there is a theory that it is territorial

474
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Speaker 1: or it is used to a certain dominance. But my

475
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: thing is, I think they just like it. You um,

476
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Speaker 1: as a as a hippoologist. Um, So let's go into

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00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: the ocean and to one of the most majestic creatures

478
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: that resides in the ocean, the pygmy sperm whale. So

479
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: pygmy sperm whales can spew over three gallons of brownish

480
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: red but syrup. It's an intestinal fluid distinct from poop,

481
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: and its purpose is to distract enemies. While the pygmy

482
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: sperm whale escapes did you say brownish red poop syrup. Yes,

483
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: it's like a it's an intestinal fluid. It's not poop,

484
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: but it's not not poop, it's it's a but syrup.

485
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: And it just makes the water murky so that the

486
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Speaker 1: thing can run away. Essentially. Yeah, it's sort of like

487
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: a squid ink. Probably doesn't smell great either, I'd imagine.

488
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: I also imagine that. Um. So, what we like to

489
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: do on this show is we like to go on

490
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Speaker 1: on the Imagination train, stop on off at the Imagination station,

491
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Speaker 1: really kind of dive into the world. And we're in

492
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Speaker 1: a topic that is a little tricky to do that,

493
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Speaker 1: to get too deep into imagination world, because you know

494
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: it's but so here's this is actually real story. Um,

495
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: It's about how I've weaponized my own grossness. Okay please.

496
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Speaker 1: Um When I was a kid, I had the flu

497
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Speaker 1: and I would go to choir every morning, and so

498
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: I was pretty stoic, so I still went to choir,

499
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: but I could feel trouble brewing inside me, and we

500
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: were singing do re me uh, And as we reached

501
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: the sort of crescendo of do remi, a geyser of

502
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: flu Vomit just spewed out of me a little tiny body. Um.

503
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: Either through pure luck or some kind of evolutionary instinct,

504
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: I managed to aim my arc of puke directly at

505
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Speaker 1: this girl who was super mean to me, and just

506
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: like a hundred percent like barely got it on anyone

507
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: else but this one girl. And it was just like

508
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: and it was also my birthday, Happy birthday. Yeah, I

509
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: was like, thank you, thank you, flu virus. This is

510
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: a great birthday present. I mean, I've never bombed on anyone,

511
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: but if I could, I would have aimed at someone. Yeah.

512
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: I don't think I was trying. I think it was

513
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: just the universe allowing my vomit to reach a target.

514
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: So it's like it's you know, it's like I feel

515
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: like the universe balances out it always does you have

516
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: to vomit during quire at least do it on someone

517
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: who's mean to you. Yeah. Have you ever liked either

518
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: inadvertently or advertently weaponized just something gross? Yeah? I don't know.

519
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: The only thing I can think of is like a

520
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: terrible fart making people go away. Have you like just

521
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: on purpose? Um, I haven't done it on purpose. I

522
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: sort of like to try avoid farting in public. It

523
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: gives me a lot of anxiety, even though we're supposed

524
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: to embrace the fart we I mean, you know, there's

525
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: a whole yoga position about it. Oh there is, yeah,

526
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: where it's like the wind release post. Definitely. Um, but yeah,

527
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: I feel like um, I mean, I feel like I

528
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 1: do feel like vomit. It is sort of it is

529
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: a room clear. So like if you're ever in a

530
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: situation where you need people to evacuate, but somehow you can't,

531
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: like nobody's paying attention to you, you just vomit. You

532
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: just keep a bunch of beetles in your pocket. Pop

533
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: one and yeah, yeah, one of those one of those

534
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: toad vomit beetles. Yeah there, Yeah, don't do that. But

535
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: don't do that. You were just saying, I know, but

536
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: sometimes I lie. So the US Navy contracted a company

537
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: named Invocon to develop a vomit ray, or quote non

538
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: lethal standoff weapon as it's otherwise known. And here's a

539
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: quote from the the invocon website. It's a i VC.

540
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: Invocan proposes to investigate the use of beamed r F

541
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: radio frequency energy to excite and interrupt the normal process

542
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: of human hearing and equilibrium. Uh. They say it can

543
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: penetrate through walls and causes emotion, sick, dizziness, and vomiting.

544
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so they just point that thing at

545
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: you and you feel off balance, start throwing up. Oh

546
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: my god. Have they used this thing before? I don't know.

547
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think they tell as if they have.

548
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Why terrible like social humiliation weapons.

549
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think this one is more practical, where

550
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: it's like you can just disable someone if they're just

551
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: like on the floor throwing up. Oh gosh. Um So,

552
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: defensive vomiting in animals is a whole category of evolutionary

553
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: defensive strategies. Um. So, later we're going to have an

554
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: interview with Dr Greg Polly. He's a herpetologist and curator

555
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: at the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County, and

556
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: we'll talk about some exorcism level vomiting, defensive maneuvers and animals. Um. But,

557
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: just to give you a little taste, there's a bird

558
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: called the European roller. It's a little bird found in Africa, Europe,

559
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: and Asia who would make a real nice little snack

560
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: predators lungeable sized. Um. But the babies will vomit nasty

561
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: smelling orange liquid onto themselves to make themselves too revolting

562
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: to eat. Gross. Yeah, look on to each other, onto themselves,

563
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: you think, onto themselves, just like they are. They're there.

564
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: They're nasty little things. They like to get nasty. But

565
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: speaking of nasty, we're we gotta go back in the ocean.

566
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: There's one. There's one more, the noble and majestic. See cucumber,

567
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: I do. I how you say very positive beautiful attributes

568
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: and we're about to talk about a gross thing that

569
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: this thing does shaped like a pickle, But you know

570
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean we can't see its inter beauty. And

571
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: in this case, we're gonna literally see its interview beauty.

572
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: Because they're capable of self evisceration. They shoot their internal

573
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: organs out of their butt to ward off predators, and

574
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: then they were growing. You know what, Yeah, just like

575
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: it's like, I guess I don't need these internal organs

576
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: and shoot them at predators, so allowing them to escape,

577
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: and then they can regrow their organs. So these things

578
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: just never die, then, is what I'm as saying. Well,

579
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: I think they can. They could still die, Okay, I

580
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: mean just like, well, it's like, how you know Wolverine. Sure,

581
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: he's like he can regrow himself, but you can still

582
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: kill him. Can you kill Wolverine? I mean I think

583
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: they did. They did? Did they rip in peace? The

584
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackman one? Oh, I thought they did. I don't know. Well, anyway,

585
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: scientists are sequencing the C. Cucumber genome to look at

586
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: the genes behind their regeneration. So maybe someday medical science

587
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: will advance to where humans can shoot their organs out

588
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: of their butts and grow them back. Oh yeah, that's

589
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: super helpful. Well not the first part of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

590
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: I feel like Bezos is already probably doing this. Like

591
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: he's rich enough that he's probably just like, like, give

592
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: me c cucumber jelly and he's like injecting it into veins.

593
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: My god, Zuckerberg. Maybe that's a Zuckerberg thing to do.

594
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: What about an Elon musk? That sounds like that they're

595
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: all doing it. They're all just a little it's all

596
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: a shadowy cabal of c cucumber like cultists eating just

597
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: like conjecting they're more c cucumber than man. Now, you're

598
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: totally right, is totally going on? Oh my goodness, it

599
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: explains so much. It sure does. Those people will never die.

600
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: I was right, They're never gonna die, and they're slowly

601
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: just going to become like a big tube like a

602
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: c cucumber. Oh my god. So you're saying, not only

603
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: will they grow more insides, they're going to turn into

604
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: cucumbers on the outside. I mean, look at Zuckerberg, it's

605
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:51,959
Speaker 1: already happening. Good roast, boom roasted. Do humans ever try

606
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: to defeat their enemies through gory intimidation like a self

607
00:37:55,160 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: eviscerating c cucumber? In ten nine seven, Turkish soldier regarding

608
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: a fortress in a city within Asia minor when Christian

609
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: Crusaders rolled up with their catapults. Though the catapult was

610
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: already a terrifying siege weapon, the Crusaders decided to get

611
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: a little funky with it. Turkish soldiers watched with horror

612
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: as a torrent of bloody human heads rained down upon them.

613
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: The Crusaders had lopped off the heads of dead Turkish

614
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 1: defenders and loaded them up as projectiles. After a week

615
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: long siege, the Turks surrendered. I'm not saying that c

616
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: cucumbers are better than us, but shooting your own organs

617
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: out of your butt is a bit classier than launching

618
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: dead people's faces at your enemies. So yeah, maybe I

619
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: am saying c cucumbers are better than us. Stay tuned.

620
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: Just ahead, we have an awesome interview with reptile expert

621
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Speaker 1: Dr Greg Polly, who has some crazy stories of gnarly

622
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: animal defensive strategies. Will be right back you're with me.

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Speaker 1: Today is friend of the show, Dr Greg Paul, herpetology

624
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Speaker 1: researcher and curator at the Natural History Museum of Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles County, to talk about one of the most metal

626
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: animals I've ever heard of. Uh, so, you know, I'm

627
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: excited about this. Uh, tell me a little bit about

628
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: the horned lizard, where it lives, what its diet is

629
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: in why it squirts blood out of its eyes like

630
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: a haunted super soaker. So first, everyone should be excited

631
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: about horn lizards because they're either adorable and be they're amazing.

632
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: They're like little they look like a little pokemon like

633
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: they have like little spikes everywhere and really cute faces.

634
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Uh, they're adorable, They're really adorable. Um,

635
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: and so this is a this is a this is

636
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: actually a group of lizards, the horned lizards. That depends

637
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: on who you want, who you ask, which what what

638
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: research you believe, but let's call it roughly fifteen species.

639
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: And these species are found from southern Canada down into

640
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: Mexico and here in California we have a couple of

641
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: these species of horn lizards and they are absolutely adorable.

642
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: They are little lizards that mostly rely on camouflage and

643
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: crypsis to go undetected. And so can you explain what

644
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: crypsis is? Yeah, So basically, um there pretty much just

645
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: trying to match the background. And they do this by

646
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: a couple of ways. So they're they usually like if

647
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: you imagine, like a lot of these are sort of

648
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: desert adapted lizards, and so they're often on sandy backgrounds,

649
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: and so they're kind of rotund. There's a reason that

650
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: people call them horny toads, and it's because they kind

651
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: of look a little toad like that. These are very

652
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: rotund lizards, and they kind of look a little like

653
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: a disc. And but they have you know, they usually

654
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: sort of have like red and brown kind of patterns

655
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: on their back which then really closely matched the background

656
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: that they usually are living on and then instead of

657
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: having like a very crisp sort of outlined, they've got

658
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: all these spikes and horns and elongated scales and so

659
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: forth that really break up their outline so that you know,

660
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 1: if you're like say, an aerial predator like a hawk,

661
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: you're unlikely to see them because it doesn't fit your

662
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 1: sort of typical lizard search. Imagine there's this like rotund

663
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: hawk key disc, you know, hanging out on the ground

664
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: and you can't even pick it out as a lizard.

665
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: But let's say that all that fails, like something still

666
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: finds it even though it has this amazing camera like

667
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: a hawk with heat vision or something, I mean something

668
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, coyote smells it out or you know, if

669
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: they move, if they're running, you know, something might see them.

670
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: And so if something grabs them, what they what not

671
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: All the species of horn lizards can do, but most

672
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: of horn lizards, most of the different species of horn

673
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: liars do this is, Yeah, they shoot blood out of

674
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: their eyes, and they can shoot this stream of blood

675
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: actually with pretty good accuracy for several Yeah, so it

676
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: seems like they can aim. And what they mostly are

677
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: aiming for is they are aiming mostly for the mouth

678
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: or the head reach of whatever is attacking them. And

679
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: this doesn't work on snakes as far as we know,

680
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: which is one porn lizards, but on dogs like like coyotes, foxes, um,

681
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: it works on them, and it seems to also work

682
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: on bobcats. This blood happens to be incredible distasteful, and

683
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: we actually don't know why it's distasteful, which is really interesting.

684
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: We can speculate, there's like lots of speculation as to

685
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: why it's distasteful. It seems to be super distasteful, and

686
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: so coyotes and foxes and bobcats you'll actually see you

687
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: can actually find videos of this on YouTube. Liked gets

688
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: in the mouth and they make the yucky face and

689
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: they're like clearly trying to get this grossness off they're doing.

690
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: And it turns out that horn lizards it varies by species,

691
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: but for most of them, like of their diet, there's

692
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: things like carpenter ants and harvest or ants sometimes also

693
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: termines termines, but mostly these big ants. And so we

694
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: think that whatever is in the blood for the horn lizards,

695
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: it must be that they're taking sequestrian toxins from the ants.

696
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: And of course ants are full of formic acid, so

697
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: we think that that's probably what's going on, but no

698
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: one's ever actually like done the or you know, done

699
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: the chemistry to figure out that that's what it is mystery,

700
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: and we do know, like incredibly, this happens very rarely,

701
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: so it's very rare that the horn lizard will even

702
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: shoot blood as a person. But we actually know from

703
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: a couple of different accounts that if that blood actually

704
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: gets in the eye of the person, that it is

705
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: incredibly painful and can actually cause temporary blindness for a

706
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: couple of hours. And there's only that's only happened to

707
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: a few people where it's ever been reported, but it

708
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: technically can't happen. So this is like acidic blood of

709
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: some kind. Presumably it's it's there's something going on, and

710
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: we presumably that's not blood that is circulating throughout the

711
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: entire animal because there in their tear ducts right well,

712
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: they're shooting the blood basically out of the tear ducts,

713
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: but it's not clear whether that blood is being I mean,

714
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: if you see a horned lizard when it gets when

715
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: it's getting stressed out, you actually see that ocular sinus

716
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: kind of filled with blood, Like you basically see their

717
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: eyelids start to get like and like filling with so

718
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, like it's unhappy. And so that's obviously not

719
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: always like that. So there's something but like, is it

720
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: that the circulating blood is that distasteful? Will probably not

721
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 1: because that coyotes try to eat it, and they're still

722
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: trying to eat it, So it must be that at

723
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: something like it must be that parts of it are good. Yeah,

724
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: so we don't. They're still like a lot of research

725
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 1: ingret Can you imagine if people like to like when

726
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: people are upset, they just start crying blood, which is

727
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of the point. That's probably why

728
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: this evolved. Like if if you're a predator and you're like,

729
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat this tasty thing and then suddenly it

730
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: starts him blood, you're like, there's something wrong with that

731
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: I eat that, It's probably how this in part evolve. Well,

732
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: so it kind of reminds me of this historical story.

733
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: Um around four nineties six to four six b c h.

734
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: There was this king, King gug Uh. He was the

735
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: ruler of the Kingdom of You, which is modern day

736
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: Eastern China. I probably didn't pronounce any of that, right,

737
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: but um So, he was allegedly known to scare his

738
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: enemies before battle by sending in a front line of

739
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: soldiers who would cut their own heads off or at

740
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: least like maybe get one hacken and then time. I

741
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: think it'd probably be pretty hard to just content like

742
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: hang on a minute, I gotta I gotta more to go.

743
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: Um So that was to intimidate the enemy. And what

744
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: the enemy may not have known is that these were

745
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: all condemned prisoners, so they were going to be executed anyways.

746
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: So here was there sort of um chance to kind

747
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: of you know, help out their families, earn some money,

748
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: or like have some kind of final glory. Um. So

749
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: it was it's like this that like, man, anything that's

750
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: gonna like like squirt blood out at me is not

751
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: something to tangle with. I think it's anything that anything

752
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: that is just so crazy. Yeah right right right if

753
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: someone started just like vomiting blood at you or sure,

754
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, it's it's I mean, you know, it

755
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: is kind of an interesting thing because like when when

756
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: you are nervous, sometimes you like will vomit or or

757
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: urinate or poop and and I don't think there's any

758
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: evidence to suggest it's necessarily a survival strategy and humans,

759
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: um it more that you're your autonomic nervous system is

760
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: just like, well, you're too scared to really control your bladder.

761
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I think it may have

762
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: some benefits for us where it's like you know, maybe uh,

763
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, like you're fighting with someone then suddenly they

764
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: smell some really nasty things or you throw up on them,

765
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: They're gonna be like, all right, too much trouble to

766
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: forth it. Yeah, I was going to mug you, but

767
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: then once you pooped over everything much less inclined. Um.

768
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: Are there any other examples of animals using bloody or

769
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: gross intimidation strategies to evade predators? Yes, there's, Tony asked,

770
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: as if I didn't know, But yeah, there are so many.

771
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: I mean, as a herpetologist, I obviously think about reptiles, nintins,

772
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: and it's so common in snakes for example, that are

773
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: really common defense strategy. Mean, because snakes are kind of limited, right,

774
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: Like they don't have arms, they can't you, they can't

775
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: punch you, they can't kick you, so like they're kind

776
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: of limited with what they can do, and so you

777
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: want to make yourself distasteful to a potential predator, how

778
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: about smearing yourself in your own feces? Super common, defensive

779
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: I get like in Jurassic Park or the New Jurassic

780
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: Park where they like cover themselves in dinosaur poop. It

781
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: was it was one of the news. Well it's in

782
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: one of the newer ones, the lesser Jurassic parks. I've

783
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: just saw those, and I told I don't I can't

784
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: believest I feel like I'm obligated to remember all popular

785
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: references to smearing one. It may have been a cut scene,

786
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: it may have been a director's cut scene. Um, but yeah,

787
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: they cover themselves in That's actually I love when movies

788
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: like that actually do incorporate things from sort of biological reality,

789
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: like this is really common for snakes to do this. Um,

790
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: because snakes eat such large meals, and vultures do this too.

791
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: Like animals, they eat huge meals oftentimes puts them. It's

792
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: sort of a locomotory disadvantage. So if something then goes

793
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: after they peple have a way to get away. It's

794
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: like imagine a line and then a big ball in

795
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 1: the middle and that just so we can't we can't

796
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: defend itself. Vultures sometimes eat so much that they actually

797
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: can't fly very well. Yeah, and so for both, you know,

798
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: for vultures and also for a lot of snakes, if

799
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: they have a big meal, the first thing that they

800
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 1: do if something is like threatening them is they vomit.

801
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: And not only is I mean, especially with vulture, I

802
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: mean vulture vomit has to be like one of the

803
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: most disgusting things in the world. So it's like rotting

804
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: carrion that's been sort of marinating and digestive juice. It

805
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: was like, in case the rotting carrion wasn't disgusting enough,

806
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: you then get to like put it into this stomach.

807
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: Like I once had food poisoning after eating some chicken

808
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: that may have gone bad, and that was pretty bad.

809
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: But that times like a billion So so yeah, I mean,

810
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: vultures do that. A lot of snakes will do that

811
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: to get away, um, and it kind of just doesn't

812
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: distract the predator or gross them out. I think probably,

813
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: and it makes them more mobile because it makes more mobile,

814
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's probably like it's I mean,

815
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: if a snake does out of the vulture does that,

816
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: it's still moves away from that vomitant, so then the

817
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: animal is still there, whereas like the snakes smearing themselves

818
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: in poop, like the animal is gross like the animals

819
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: now yea and is still poop covered. And then there's

820
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: also like there's these great snakes called hog no snakes

821
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: and actually fainted death. They roll over on their bellies

822
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: and thanatosis, yeah, and they open their mouths and they

823
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: stick there. They sort of low. They emit this odor

824
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: that sort of sounds like death and decay. But then

825
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: they're not even the only animal that does that. Like

826
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: when we think about like you know, you scare a

827
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: possum and the like pretends to be asleep, what's it

828
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: really doing is it's like pretending to be dead and

829
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: it actually gives off this really disgusting So we see

830
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: that a lot. And then there's all these other animals

831
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: like um. I spent seven years in grad school at

832
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,479
Speaker 1: the University of Texas and Austin, and like we would

833
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: go out, you know, driving around that night looking for

834
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: snakes on the crossing the roads, and one of the

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Speaker 1: things you would times come across are armadillos and one

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Speaker 1: of the things you learned very quickly. If you ever

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Speaker 1: try to catch and armadillo, is that there a defense

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Speaker 1: mechanism is to just start pooping and pee. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you feel like that. That's like a baby's defense mechanisms,

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Speaker 1: Like if you're if you're an and you try to

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Speaker 1: pick up a new baby or something, just like starts

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Speaker 1: pooping and teeing everywhere, and uh and this is what

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Speaker 1: frogs do. You try to grab a frog, it's first

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Speaker 1: defense mechanism usually is to just peel. I think I

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Speaker 1: learned that as a kid because I would I would

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Speaker 1: try to catch frogs and lizards all the time, and

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Speaker 1: like the amount of times where I just get like

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Speaker 1: the first time it happens, you're like, oh no, gross

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Speaker 1: frog p And then then you just got to learn like,

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Speaker 1: all right, buddy, I'm onto your trick exactly. Totally not

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Speaker 1: intimidated by that, you know, if I think like stuff.

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Speaker 1: One of becoming a herpetologist is like just accept the

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Speaker 1: fact that you're gonna get pooped and pete making peace

854
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Speaker 1: with frog and lizard poop and pea. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah.

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Speaker 1: Lots of things smeared themselves in various bodily fluids to

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Speaker 1: because oh, that's that's excellent that this is uh. I

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Speaker 1: feel like, um, there was a I'm trying to remember

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Speaker 1: if it's like a c I A thing, but like

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00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: they're they've definitely been um government military operations where the

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Speaker 1: research stuff like really bad smells, like really nasty smelly

861
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: things as a weapon. So it's not quite chemical warfare

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00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: because it doesn't I don't think they're meant to like

863
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: actually damage people, but it's just just debilitate you with

864
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: like these smell bombs. Yeah. Um, but maybe we should

865
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: just uh, like if soldiers just covering themselves in and

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00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: in poop and the job wasn't hard enough one more step. Well,

867
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me. Um, do you

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Speaker 1: have anything to plug or anything that people should check out?

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00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: I guess as always, I would just plug participating in

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Speaker 1: uh in citizen science project. Yeah. We talked about this

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00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 1: before on the show. Um there's an app that they

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00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 1: can download, right, Yeah, So there's this amazing app called

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00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: I Naturalists and people can download the app have it

874
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: on their smartphone. If they're out one and around and

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00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 1: they see wildlife, plants, fungi, whatever you get excited about. Um,

876
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: some for the living animal or a sign of a

877
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: living creature, take a photo uploaded to the app. And

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00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: so it's just like me might end up using that

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00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: photograph in their research. Yeah, stop taking photos of your

880
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: food and take photos of animals and help science. Yeah,

881
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: and you can even take photos of animals eating some

882
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: of your friends. Right right, you're you're you're amazing latte

883
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: you got from Starbucks. A lizard starts to drink it. Boom,

884
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: you've you've helped your science. Just don't stress out the

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00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: animal so much that it poops and peas all over

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00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: itself to take your photo. But if that does happen,

887
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: take a photo of it. Take a photo. Yeah. All right, well,

888
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. Absolutely thanks for

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00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: having me. So we're back with Kim. We just heard

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Speaker 1: some stuff about, you know, some pretty gross things that

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00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: animals do. Yeah, more peine pooping, vomiting blood hears you

892
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: know what. I think that it's just maybe humans that

893
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: think that it makes like vomiting pe poops, so taboo.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we I mean, we could use it as

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Speaker 1: a web I mean like I mean, like certainly some

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00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: of our primate relatives they do. It's a were just

897
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: we're just we're two. We're prouds. That's the thing. That's it.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm just going to use my poop as

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Speaker 1: a weapon. Now, okay, you know you know what though,

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Speaker 1: like when I'm taking my dog on a walk and

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00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: I have that baggy of poop, like I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I've talked to another person that resonates with her words

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00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: like it's at night, You've got your bag of dog poop,

904
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Speaker 1: and you're like, I am armed. I have dog poop

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Speaker 1: and like if there's someone comes up and tries to

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Speaker 1: smug me, you know, dog poop into the face like

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Speaker 1: it's a it is now like a maze, totally out.

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Speaker 1: Hey that speaks to me too, that that's great, that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Um so gross, do you have anything to plug? Yeah? Sure,

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Speaker 1: Um if you guys watch TV, watch Abbie's on NBC

911
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: or Hulu. It's a cool trope and I'm on it. Woo. Yeah,

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00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: probably less gross than this. It's not gross at all.

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Speaker 1: It's about a bar fairy, So no poop, h no,

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Speaker 1: no pooping in the is going to be listen the

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Speaker 1: bars outside so technically there's bushers and you can fool Okay,

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Speaker 1: hippos would love them. Yeah, they totally would. Yeah, uh huh.

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Speaker 1: And can we find you on social media? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can follow me on Twitter at child Clown underscore.

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Speaker 1: I had to put the underscore in there because some

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Speaker 1: other free quantic greet clown and on Instagram at child

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Speaker 1: clown just playing. I got that one first, that kind

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Speaker 1: of weirdo would watch besides me, what other weirdo wants that?

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Speaker 1: So you can find me on Twitter at Katie Golden um.

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Speaker 1: And you can find podcast online peach podcast pod dot com.

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Speaker 1: And then on Twitter Creature feet pod not feat as

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Speaker 1: a t so puture deep pod is Twitter. And then

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Speaker 1: also I got Twitter called pro bird Rights and that's

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Speaker 1: probably the best thing I've ever done in my life.

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Speaker 1: It is the best thing I've seen. So yeah, check

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Speaker 1: check me out there where I'm a bird, but I

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Speaker 1: don't sleep on myself or vomit on myself like that

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Speaker 1: bird tacticut. Yeah, just on my enemies. You had to

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Speaker 1: toss that. And thanks to the Space Classics for their

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Speaker 1: awesome song ex Alumina