1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome Episode number eight The Hunting Collective. I'm 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Ben or Brian. Today we are joined by pure nomad 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Sam Soholt. Sam somebody I met five or six years 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: ago and as a young photographer in the hunting industry, 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: and somebody that I became fast friends with, and somebody 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: who not only did I respect who he was and 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: what he did by respect that he's creative vision in 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: his work and all the things he did with a camera, 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: with a rifle, with a bow, whatever. And Sam's also 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: somebody who lives a life that a lot of people 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: could respect. He lives as a nomad, kind of doesn't 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: have an address. It's hard to pin him down. I 13 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: know he used to live in Montana and sometimes in 14 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: South Dakota, but he kind of always was everywhere and 15 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: doing things, living life the way all of us would 16 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: want to, just with a ton of freedom. And most recently, 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: Sam has built a bus. He didn't build a bus, 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: He bought a US and then turn it into a 19 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: camp mobile hunting camp and took it around and used 20 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: that bus to highlight public lands um and he's also 21 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: has a company called public Land Tease that he started 22 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,279 Speaker 1: that money goes back into backhuns and anglers for public 23 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: lands from each purchase. So all these things put together 24 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: makes Sam a force in the hunting world and somebody 25 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: I call a friend and I'm happy to do so. 26 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: So hopefully episode number eight will be a good one 27 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 1: for you. Please enjoy Sam. So, Sam, what's up? What's 28 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: going on? Not much? Um? I am actually just sitting 29 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: in my pick out at the moment. I figured that 30 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: would be the quietest place where I could record this week. Yeah, 31 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: we've done a few. This will be our second, or 32 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: at least one of the participants, if not. Both were 33 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: in a pickup, and I find that to be okay. 34 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: I have no problem with that. Yeah, yeah, it works 35 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: as long as you're not driving. You and cawhanded it 36 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: in in the pickup in the show, didn't you, Yeah, 37 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: which is a bit of a Russian nesting doll of weirdness. Yes, 38 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: we did. Um. Yeah, so you're not driving the truck 39 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: though it's stationary. I'm not driving. No, I'm not driving. 40 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: I parked, um, but I thought it seems fitting. I'm 41 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: a fairly you know, travel a fair bit, so that's good. 42 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: I might as well do it in my home. Well, 43 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: you know, what I mean. Yeah, I feel like the 44 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: first thing to talk about is that it's turkey season, 45 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: because that's the only thing to think about right now. 46 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: If anybody else's as a hunter and they're thinking about 47 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: anything about turkeys, they're foolish. And I've had pretty much 48 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: turkeys and snow geese. Yeah, you know, like whatever, whatever, 49 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: snow geese, whatever, let's get okay in February, you can 50 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: hut snow geese that track. Yeah, you got some turkey 51 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: plants coming up? I do. Yeah, I'm gonna do a 52 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: little turkey tour in the bus. Um. I'm gonna go 53 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: chase some in Nebraska first before I go out to 54 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: Boise for the b h A rendezvous, and then depending 55 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: on timing, probably chase some in my home state in 56 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: South Dakota, and then uh, you never know. It's the turkeys. 57 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: With turkeys is kind of nice. You don't have to 58 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: plan like a ten day trip. You know, somebody can 59 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: call you and be like, hey, I've got turkeys something like, 60 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: all right, I'll be there in the morning and and 61 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: you go and shoot a turkey. You're right about that 62 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: always the case. I know, it's not always the case 63 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: for turkey hunting. But a lot of times, you know, 64 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 1: it's not like you know, chasing Mulder or Elk, where 65 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: you gotta have plenty of days to make sure you 66 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: get it done. We're talking about this the other day. 67 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's a way to do a 68 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: public land grand slam in the States. There's gotta be 69 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: Let's make that a thing. Yeah, there's gotta be. Let's 70 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: make that a thing. Because I don't know that anybody's 71 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: ever said or did that. I just shot an Osceola 72 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: in Florida. I don't know if there Yeah, but I 73 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: was looking around on the maps and the Onyx maps 74 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: trying to figure out if there was public where you 75 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: could turkey hunt, because I feel like that's the only 76 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: missing piece. I mean, there's I know you can hunt 77 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: easterns Rio's and Miriam's in public ground. I know that. Yeah, 78 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: if we can find the secret public around spot for Osceola's, 79 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: we're in. I feel like between you and I though, 80 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: like we know enough people in Florida where we could 81 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: make that happen. Yeah, we just can't tell anybody if 82 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: we find like the golden spot for Osceola's, No, we can't. 83 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: It have to be like, I don't know how we 84 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: pull that off. We just we have to do it 85 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: very publicly but very secretive. At the same time. We 86 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: would make we would just probably make up names. We 87 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't say what's really going on, that's right, Yeah, because 88 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: I can't imagine there's somebody from Florida can right in 89 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: and tell us all about the public land turkey. Yeah, 90 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: but I can't imagine there's a whole lot of that 91 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, I wouldn't imagine. So, but it seems 92 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: like a good goal that we need to figure out 93 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: how to pull off in the next couple of years. 94 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: It's it's true. Tell just tell everybody, why do you 95 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: think turkey hunting is the best type of hunting there is? 96 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: Because that's I mean, obviously that's the reality. I mean, 97 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's okay, I'll just start. Turkey 98 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: hunting is amazing. Uh, first of all, of springtime, like everything, 99 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, like just spring in general is great. It's 100 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: kind of like the transition out of the deep freeze. 101 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: And you know, if you live in the northern part 102 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: of the US and everything starts, you know, everything's growing 103 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: back and everything's turning green, and everything smells good, and 104 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: then you go out and you chase these like twelve 105 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: to twenty pound dinosaurs that basically yell at you and 106 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: to try to attack you, and then you shoot him 107 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: in self defense. Most of the time, it's it's uh, 108 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I it took me a long time 109 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: to get into turkey hunting. I never thought I would, 110 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: Like I didn't like watching movies that you know, uh, 111 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't like watching turkey hunting. Is it 112 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: just time side? It was just super boring. But I 113 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: only did it one time, and I was like, I 114 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: get it now, this is pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, that's 115 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: like almost saying, like, tell me why Donald Trump is 116 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: the greatest president or the best president? Yeah, you really 117 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: phrase that. I feel like turkey hunting. Rogan talk ship 118 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: on turkey hunting when he went with Ronella, and I 119 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: feel like there's other people around that are popular to 120 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: talk ship on turkey hunting. So I just feel like 121 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: I need to be a voice for the greatness. Yeah, 122 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: did they go kill did they kill any turkeys? I 123 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 1: feel like I don't know if Rogan killed a turkey 124 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: or not. Probably not. Well, that's that's probably why he's 125 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: talking shit. On it. I don't know, but if he did, 126 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: I'll get him eventually. But I just feel I feel 127 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: like turkey hunting is just underrated. It's seen as like 128 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: a redneck pursuit, which maybe it is. I'm a redneck. 129 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: But even even if it is, it's worth it. Yeah, 130 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: you're talking to a giant raptor with giant yeah terms. Yeah, 131 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: And so here's the question, uh for you and you've 132 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: you've done a lot more turkey hunting than I have. Um, 133 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: And a lot of people say that they're, you know, 134 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: an incredibly smart bird. In my personal opinion, I think 135 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: that they are so dumb that they are hard to hunt. 136 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: Like they they flie down from the roost, they have 137 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: no idea what they're doing. They're like a ping pong ball. 138 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: It's just like, you know, it's like a it's like 139 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: a puffed up the turn and then and then they 140 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: just keep they go and they hit that field edge 141 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: and then they just turn it just you know, just 142 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: strutting around up. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that could be either. 143 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: There's times when your turkey hunting and it seems like 144 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: the most simplest thing you could ever do. See you 145 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: go out there, you make something, you shut the carridor 146 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: and they start gobbling, they come running and you shoot them. 147 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: Like I've had things like that happened where you just asked, 148 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: like last year, two years ago in Florida. But the 149 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: turkeys are tough. All morning, they weren't really goblin. We 150 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: didn't get into much. And we were walking back to 151 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: the truck on this paved road and there was a 152 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: little food plot just down over this little palmetto ridge 153 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: and we were talking full voices, and I think this 154 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: turkey gobbled at our voices was the first time it gobbled. 155 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: And then I just went down over the hill and 156 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: hit the call one time and it came running through 157 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: this palmetto and I shot at like five yards. So 158 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: then you're thinking like, mmm, I gotta tell you this 159 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: can't be the hardest thing when that's when that's going on. Yeah, 160 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: But I just I think that we hunt them and 161 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: just like a white tailed deer, if you were only 162 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: hunting white tailed deer in November, you would think they're 163 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: the dumbest, you know, pussy hungry things there ever was. Um, 164 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: So I think we we and then you know they've 165 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: habititated or they've cohabitated enough that we'll see him in 166 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: our backyards and you see him in parks sometimes, and 167 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: so anything you see in those environments you think might 168 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: not be that's smart. But I've hunted swamp gobblers in 169 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: Louisiana that you just thought, there's no way I'll you'll 170 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: ever trick it into coming near you. I mean, they're 171 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: just he just feels like you'd never get it done. 172 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: So I think yes, and yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all situational. Yeah. 173 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm reading an article now, uh from our boys, 174 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: Steve Hiccoff. You ever met Steve Hickoff. I don't think 175 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: I have. He's a turkey killing genius. So he has 176 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: an article on realtory dot com called how to get 177 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: your Turkey hunting Grand Slam on public Land. He wrote 178 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: it in January, so he so the first thing he says, 179 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: good news three quarters the grand slam of public land 180 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: is easy. Bad news the quarter not accounted for as 181 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: as Florida's Asceola subspecies. Tagging a public land Osceola is tough, 182 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: I think, goes on. He goes on the list of 183 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: how tough it actually is. Oh, yeah, seems worth, seems 184 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: worth trying. Seems worth. See, that's it. We just gotta 185 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: spend like a whole month in Florida scouting, sitting on 186 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: the beach, drinking booze. That's what we gotta do. That's 187 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: the only way it doesn't seem terrible. Hopefully Steve Hicks 188 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: to this and can help us. I'll get an air 189 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: condition or putting the bus and we can roll that down. Yeah. Yeah, man, Yeah, 190 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: you get a lot of a lot of ladies get 191 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: on that bus. Like when the bus pulls up and 192 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: they see inside, a lot of a lot of young 193 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: ladies want to get in there. Are you asking that question? Yeah, 194 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: that's a question. No, they don't know. That's not a thing. 195 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: It's you know, surprisingly enough, luckily I have a girlfriends. 196 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: But it's not exactly. I wouldn't call it a female 197 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: magnet um a big green and white school bus. It's 198 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 1: not exact to the opposite. Second, Yeah, I would say 199 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: for any regular listeners, I'm feeling a little bit more 200 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: free flowing with the verbage today just because I'm drinking beer. 201 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: And that's okay. Sam and I are good friends, we're 202 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: not just acquaintances, so it's gonna Yeah, we've been in 203 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: a few camps together. Yeah, a couple of times, been 204 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: here and there. Um, so just this since we already 205 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: touched on the bus. For those who don't know, give 206 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: us the bus rundown and don't be shotting the details, okay. 207 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: Um So, I it's funny. I was, I was thinking 208 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: about this before we we hopped on the phone, and 209 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out like when the bus 210 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: idea first originated. And I actually remember telling the first 211 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: time you and I that was up in BC with Rogan, 212 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: and I remember telling you guys that I was thinking 213 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: about buying a bus and that was what was that November? 214 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: Yes almost yeah, be four years ago this fall? Yeah, 215 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: so um yeah, I remember, like and I think it 216 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: was like that's like spring of the the bus idea 217 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: had like popped into my and and I was actually, 218 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: you know, my brother and I had had talked about, 219 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, buying a school bus, and and actually we 220 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: had originally talked about doing like a twelve state Turkey 221 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: tour in a school bus. So this, you know, like 222 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: what we talked about earlier, kind of segways nicely into this. 223 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: But um no, I said, it took me a while 224 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: to kind of wrapped my hand around actually purchasing long 225 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: And it was not this last fall, but the fall 226 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: before I was kind of coming off the hunting season, 227 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: and I was just, you know, I had a good year, 228 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: and it was had traveled a bunch and shooting photos 229 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: and and hunting for myself, and and uh, the bus 230 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: idea just hadn't gone away in at that point, I 231 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'm turning thirty this year. UM, Like, 232 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: the amount of time in my life where I can 233 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: do something like purchase a full size school bus and 234 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: build it out into a camper is It's comminishing quickly. 235 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: So I finally I was like, well, I'll just do it. 236 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: And if I hay it, well then I know I 237 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: hate it. But if I don't do it, I'm always 238 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: gonna regret not you know, pulling the triggering doing this 239 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: crazy adventure. And it was right after I decided to 240 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: find a bus and buy one. UM, I actually called you, 241 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: uh to talk to you about an idea that I 242 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: had um with the bus project and actually relating it 243 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: all to UM public land transfer awareness and trying to 244 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: get the word out there, you know, to as many 245 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: people as possible about the possibility of losing our public lands, 246 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: and uh, you and I kind of spit ball back 247 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: and forth on the phone, and like you know, I 248 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: got in touch with b H and I have been 249 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: working with them and have been working with a few 250 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: other UM companies, you know, outdoor Life and those types 251 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 1: of people to to get the word out there. But 252 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: ye ha, it all originated the fall of and I 253 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: bought a school bus from Colorado and and turned it 254 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: into my rolling hunting camp. And how like when you 255 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: see when you get is you bought a Bluebird? What 256 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: year was your Bluebird school bus? That? Yeah? So uh 257 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: some of the specs on it now so I yeah, 258 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: it was the Bluebird U full size, so full size 259 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: passenger UM and I bought it four so it's listed 260 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 1: for fifty d And I was able to talk the 261 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: guy down to thirty hundred sous I had at that point, 262 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: I owned thirty seven ft long. Um. Yeah, so I 263 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: owned thirty seven feet of vehicle. Dude. Right now, I'm 264 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm on eBay googling used school buses and this is scene. 265 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: What's out there. There's a lot, It's amazing, unbelievable. I'm 266 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: certainly not I'm not the first person to buy a 267 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: school buss and turn it into a camper. No, but 268 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: I am the first one to do it in the 269 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: hunting industry and related all to public lands. I'll take that. 270 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: It's like a small credit. Here's the guy that wants 271 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: dollars or a twenty four pastor like a short bus. Well, 272 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: what years it is a four wheel drive? I don't know, man, 273 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't look like look like something. It's probably just 274 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: a year. Yeah, dude, four wheel drive short bus. Come on, man, 275 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: like that's another you should you should tow that behind 276 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: the bigger bus to deploy an all fer situations. Yeah. Yeah, 277 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a van, a four wheel drive van 278 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: and build that out. Any anyway, continue, you've purchased this bus. 279 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: Purchased the bus? Um, I bought in Colorado and actually 280 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: parked it. My brother owns a hunting shop in Fort 281 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: Collins and he's got a big lot behind his place, 282 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: and I bought it and I parked it there for 283 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: a while. Um Because, to be honest, I didn't really have, 284 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: um any goal other than getting the bus, and then 285 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: I was going to figure it out from there. Um. 286 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: So I bought it and then I went to a 287 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: show and I had, I talked to a bunch of 288 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: companies about the project and what I was doing and 289 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: um and that's where the like the connection to outdoor 290 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: life came from. But it was at this point it 291 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: was still just I owned a school bus and that 292 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: was it. And yeah, so you know, and in the 293 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: time between UM I bought it on New Year's Eave. 294 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: In the time between Ben and UM April, I was 295 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: just drawing plans and you know, thinking of ideas and 296 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: UM not ashamed to say that I've done a lot 297 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: of browsing on Pinterest, because apparently everybody else with a 298 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: school bus puts all of their stuff on Pinterest, so 299 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of each oior design ideas. UM, 300 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: and I just gotta you know, I kind of tried 301 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: to figure out what I wanted it to look like, 302 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: and then it at the very end, uh so I 303 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: ripped all the seats out in February, uh March I 304 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: was traveling for work. And then in April I drove 305 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: the bus back to South Dakota, um my, so that 306 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: I could park it at their lake place and do 307 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: the whole build there. And which worked great for me 308 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: because I got to leave it the lake and wake 309 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: up and go work on the school bus. But I, um, 310 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: at the end of it wasn't until the end of 311 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: May that I finally painted the ceiling and actually got 312 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: to work on the interior. Um. So I painted the 313 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: ceiling and and then I put down the floor and 314 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: see paint the ceiling, put down the floor, and then 315 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 1: I put up all of the framework on the walls, 316 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: so then I could put up all of the pine 317 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: on the walls and and and bolt everything to the 318 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: outside so that way but wouldn't shift around. But I yeah, 319 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: I turned it into I took it from yellow school 320 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: bus with no seats to mobile hunting camp in uh 321 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: I guess nine weeks. Yeah, so you just went you 322 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: just had like a did you draw a blueprint and 323 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: then went to home depot or did you just kind 324 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: of go? I mean you had a layout right before 325 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: you went, and yeah, yeah, I had a layout. So 326 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: after UM, so, I painted the ceiling and then I 327 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: went in there. I went in there with like just 328 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: masking tape and um kind of the measurements of everything 329 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to put in there. Uh So, like the 330 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: queen bed is in the back, so I'm putting masking 331 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: tape on the floor where the queen bed was gonna sit. 332 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: And then I kind of just roughly like guess like 333 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: how much space I would want between that bed and 334 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: like the bunk beds, you know, and then I massed 335 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: off the bunk beds where those were gonna sit. And 336 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: then you know, I just worked my way from the 337 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: back to the front um. And so I've got a 338 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: queen bed in the back, I've got team sets of 339 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: bunk beds um in front of that, so I can 340 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: sleep five or six in the bus um and then 341 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: in front of the bunk beds and the bunk beds 342 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: all open up for tons of storage um, which is nice. 343 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: I can keep most of my gear in the bunks 344 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: or underneath the queen bed. And then in front of that, 345 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: I have on the we'll say on on the starboard 346 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,239 Speaker 1: side of the bus. We I have like kitchen, uh 347 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: kitchen areas. So I've got cabinets up top um for 348 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: all of my cooking stuff or like all you know, 349 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: spices and oil and like anything I would need to 350 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: cook a meal. And then I've got a kitchen countertop 351 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: that I've made out of old barnwood. And then I 352 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: apoxed it, and I built built a cabinet that houses 353 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: both my battery system and then storage for my um 354 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: stoves and pots and pans and all that kind of stuff. 355 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: And then on the same side, I've got a little 356 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: desk where I throw all of my photo editing video editing. 357 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: And then on the side in front of the bunks, 358 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: I've got a little room that was intended to be 359 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: a bathroom, and I bought a portable toilet for it, 360 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: but I have yet to use it. I just it 361 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: turned into a just kind of like a little storage 362 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: closet and hang a bunch of clothes in there and stuff. 363 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: Most of the time, I just use Great Mother Nature 364 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: for any outdoor facility needs. And then uh yeah, and 365 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: then I've got any space from my appropriate fireplace in 366 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: front of that, and then a couch and yeah that 367 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: the inside is great for just like if it's just me, 368 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: it's it's a ton of room and um, it's a 369 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: great living space. And then any time I've got more people, 370 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: I had a custom I custom built the framework, but 371 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: then had that cam is sewed for it. I have 372 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: a ten by twenty and closed awning that's it's next 373 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: to the bus. So all in total, I have a 374 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: little over four square feet of space when I have 375 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: camps out. Man, Yeah, that's I don't know that how 376 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: in the if I'm have any ingenuity in my body, 377 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: but probably not enough to pull that off in the 378 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: time that you did, and that I'm hoping you saved 379 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: all the instant story material from those from those deals 380 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: because that was Yeah, yeah, I've got a lot of 381 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: I got a lot of content, um just saved on 382 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: the computer and the phone. Are they save it on Instagram? 383 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: And then now you can save Instagram stories to your 384 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: feed or to your page. Can people go and look 385 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: at that the build out on your so not right now? 386 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: I could actually go back. Um, I could go back 387 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,719 Speaker 1: and add a bunch of stuff, but I'm during what 388 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do is during this Turkey tour or like 389 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: this Turkey and I'm doing the next couple of weeks. Um, 390 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to completely set up camp like everything, and 391 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: then I'm gonna do a full walk through tour kind 392 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: of my yeah, my entire design and what's in there. 393 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 1: And then once i get that, if you at, I'm 394 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: gonna let well and then I'm gonna try to do 395 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: it like a live Instagram feed where I can people 396 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: that have watched the video can ask questions about any 397 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: part of it, the business and so your your general 398 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: advice to folks would be that you need some ingenuity, 399 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: a school bus and a ton of time and you 400 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: can do it. Yeah, yep, yeah, I mean luckily for me, 401 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: as you know, unless I'm on a photo trip, I 402 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: don't have you know, there's not all that much going 403 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: on in between in between trips, and so I was 404 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: able to you know, I'd wake up it whatever seven 405 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: am and make a pot of coffee and send a 406 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: couple of unitals if I need two, and that I 407 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: would walk outside of the bus and get my home 408 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: my table, son skill son minor by the compressor for 409 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: my mail gun, and just work until it was duck. Yeah. 410 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: I don't even want to add how many hours, like 411 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: two things like how many hours I spent inside of 412 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: it just building it, and then how many times I 413 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: walked in and out of it like just you know, 414 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: go in, measure one thing, go out kind of board, 415 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: go back here, like I mean ten thousand times in 416 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: two months. I think the more like the more interesting 417 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: part of it is how you have come to have 418 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: that free time, right because a lot of people that 419 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: are listening to this on their way to work or 420 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: at work or in a cubicle, and they would love 421 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: and most people would love to have the freedom that 422 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 1: you have, right because it's just tell Polkes what your 423 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: your job is currently and kind of what what that entails. Yeah, 424 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: I guess my title would just be, uh, professional photographer 425 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: in the hunting industry. Um, I don't know if that's yeah. 426 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: I mean, I do a lot of a lot of things, 427 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: but yeah, that's that's probably like as general as I 428 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: can as I can get. Um but yeah, I started. 429 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it took me a long time for sure 430 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: to get where I'm at. But um I jokingly I 431 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: tell people I retired out of college basically, um but 432 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: I my first job in the industry was I worked, Um, 433 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: I was camerap and um video producer for Midwest Whitetail. 434 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: I was finishing up my uh Masters of Business at 435 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: North Dakota State. UM but I all I had was 436 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: an online class left and so I took an internship 437 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: with Midwest white Tail and moved to Albia and spent 438 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: all roughly six months UM in Albia and was either 439 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: hunting or filming twice a day and producing videos. Was 440 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: producing the Michigan and Minnesota like weekly web shows, and 441 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: then I was filming for the main show from Midwest, 442 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: White Tale, and really picked up a lot of my 443 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: you know, video education from from all the guys that 444 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: I was working with now there and then that transition, 445 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: and I moved to Colorado after that, and I was 446 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: helping manage UM. Like I said before, my brother owns 447 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: at that country hunting store, but I was helping manage that. 448 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: UM it's called the Gannett Ridge, and I was producing 449 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: video content for for that shop. And then I moved 450 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: to Montana and the sales are up. Actually I um 451 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: took a job through UH the owner of a rep 452 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: age and see who sold to my brother and UH 453 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: move in Montana. But shortly after that, I had an 454 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: opportunity to move to Alaska and film a couple of 455 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: different national TV shows for the Weather Channel and the 456 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: History Channel, UM Coast Guard Alaska and then The Hunt 457 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: for the History Channel, and I jumped on that, moved 458 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: to Kodiak for about five months so and then from 459 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: that it's just you know, it's from there, it's just 460 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: been all networking stuff. So you know, I meet one 461 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: person on one show, and then that led to History Channel, 462 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: and then that led to me meeting Chris Ellis, who 463 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: you know pretty well. And yeah, and Chris is a 464 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: PR guy for in the industry, and he hired me 465 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: to do my first professional photo shoot, um for Remington's. 466 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: And then through all of those events that you know 467 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: I met, it was actually a Reckington event where I 468 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: met Mike Scobie who then forwarded you my portfolio and 469 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: then hired to go up to b C. So it's um, 470 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: I became a photographer. You know, I feel like I 471 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: have a pretty good eye for photography. But I I 472 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: think I'd became successful in what I do because of 473 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: just networking as much as possible and just meeting you know, 474 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: as many people as I could on every single trip. Yeah, 475 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: I think that's I'm sure that's a huge part of it. 476 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: I mean, but there's some innate need, not to say, 477 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: a desk that I think drives people to fine. I'm 478 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: sure you found like what what's the what's the thing 479 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: that's going to get me free or keep me free? 480 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: And if it was networking, that would have been it. 481 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: You know that that yeah, was it? Or if it's 482 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: I need to be talented in these areas, Yeah, that's 483 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: what you need to do. Yeah. No, I think I 484 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: think forever, you know, up, I think I was. I 485 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: was never destined to be, you know, at a quote 486 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: unquote normal job. I always wanted to, you know, be 487 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: in the outdoors. Um a long time, had a dream 488 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: to be doing something in the hunting industry. And I 489 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: think that the further I went down the past that 490 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: I'm on, the more I realized how how much I 491 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: didn't want to be like, you know, building every day. 492 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: And um, Fortunately for me, I just you know, I 493 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: was was able to keep that going and work my 494 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: ass after where I am now so um, but I can't, 495 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: I mean after doing it for so long and you know, 496 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,719 Speaker 1: and having the type of flexibility that I do, you know, 497 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: and and it'd be I can hardly imagine you know, 498 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 1: trying to work for a company or works or whoever 499 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, and where I clock in it whatever seven 500 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: am and clock out of five or whatever it might be. 501 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: It that would be really tough for me. You know. 502 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: It might be really good for about six months and 503 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: then be pooped up and pitching to go so right now. 504 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: It only takes me about three days before move on 505 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: to the next adventure. Yeah, I'm with you, man, I 506 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: am tortured by that that balance as they call work 507 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: life balance, but I just call it like life balance. 508 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: Work is work is what you do that interrupts your 509 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: life for sure. Well, I think you know it's as 510 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: cliche as it sounds. I mean, we only get one 511 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: shot at this whole thing. So I know, a long 512 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: time ago I decided, like why, you know, I don't 513 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: want to I don't want to waste my not that 514 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: you know, working is wasting your life, but I just 515 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: wanted to do as many things I would have just 516 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: been completely more out at the end of my event. Yeah, 517 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: and uh, I do that working a normal job for 518 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: me personally was not going to get me there. Yeah. 519 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: I mean that's good. I mean the good advice for 520 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: people that are in that situation or who are are 521 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: realizing that that their path maybe took them in a 522 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: wrong direction, where your path I think took you in 523 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: the right direction for you is that you know you 524 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: can always change that. I mean, there isn't you there 525 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: was no template for you like that, Nobody laid out 526 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: like hey, Sam, if you if you go on this 527 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: moose hunt with Ben and Joe Rogan and and take 528 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: some photos, next thing you know, you'll have a career. 529 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: Or hey, if you you want to shoot some Remington 530 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: photos for some of some guns at a at a 531 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: media event, Yeah, that next thing, you know, you'll be 532 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: hanging out with Joe Rogan. Like, if you reverse the 533 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: steps that led you to where you are, you wouldn't 534 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: at each step you wouldn't believe the other. And that's 535 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: how I am too, not a chiance. Yeah, you wouldn't. 536 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: When you were in that Remington shoot, somebody said, hey, 537 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: the next thing you're gonna do is take photos of 538 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan for a Peterson's Hunting cover in British Columbia 539 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: and the moose You've been Like, shut up, dude, there's 540 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: no way you're high. Yeah. Absolutely, well we should probably 541 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: talk about that that hunt because you just posted, um yeah, 542 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: this week wasted A couple of days ago. Was that 543 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: it was a three year anniversary when I saw it 544 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: hit the shelf first time? Yeah, so this is yeah, 545 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: it was. I was actually in Arizona leaving a Remington 546 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: New Products seminar media event and um, yeah, I got 547 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: into the airport and there it was on the shelf. 548 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: So this was the whole backstory on this. We kind 549 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: of touched on a lot of it because I think 550 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: it just it just is kind of the thread that 551 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: pulls that that you're eyes relationship, just because it was 552 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: such a great beyond just what it was like that 553 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: the time spent together was so good that I was 554 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: my position at the time. This would have been like 555 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: I was a managing editor at Peterson Shunning magazine and 556 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,959 Speaker 1: we were we had done one issue the year prior 557 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: that was. We called it the meat Eater Edition of 558 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: Peterson Shunning and it was a giant piece of bloody 559 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: meat April would have been April thirteen. A giant piece 560 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: of bloody meat on the end of a knife, and 561 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: there was. It was widely acclaimed and widely criticized. That cover, 562 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: which you know, which is which, yeah, which turns out 563 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: was a good thing, right, you know. And in that conversation, 564 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: Steven Ronella was a big part of that article and 565 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: he said to me, hey, man, I actually I asked 566 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: him who else is is? Do you think it's just 567 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: hunting of the meat or people that you know they 568 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: are kind of new to hunting and are picking it 569 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: up just for meat. And he said Joe Rogan, And 570 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: I said, the guy from Fear Factor. Are you sure 571 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,719 Speaker 1: we're talking about the same guy. Uh. He's like yeah, yeah, man, 572 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: I take him hunting, you know, a few months ago 573 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: and as first time hunting. But he just cares about 574 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: the meat. That's all he wants to do. And I 575 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: was like, well, I'd better call that guy and get 576 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: it and get the low down from So I ended 577 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: up calling him. We talked for a couple of hours 578 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,959 Speaker 1: and he got like a sidebar in that April feature 579 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: article that included Ronnella. But then when we were thinking 580 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: about like what's the April Meat Eater, because we wanted 581 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: it to be an annual thing, what's the April cover 582 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: going to be? My first thought was like, it's got 583 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: to be Rogan, just for who he is, and through 584 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: that time I had got to know him a little 585 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: bit better. And so then we decide we were gonna 586 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: get moose hunting because Joe said that's the most possible 587 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: meat he could get is from a moose, and I agreed. 588 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: We found an outfitter who was my Cockers, who's up 589 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: in Quesnel, British Columbia and then we were at the 590 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: last minute like, man, we need obviously need a photographer. 591 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: A bunch of people weren't able to do it. Um 592 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: and and Scobie came by. I was like, man, I 593 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: met this young guy, this this guy Sam at this 594 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: Remington writers event and he's super talented and he'll go 595 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: with you prom and he'll do a great job. And 596 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: so I think, I don't know if I called you 597 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: or emails you the next thing you know you were 598 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: signed up to come right, Yeah, I think I got 599 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: an email and then you and Scobie both called me 600 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: to wear like a little conference call, and uh yeah. 601 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: I was basically like, hey, can you be in d 602 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: C from November step to the ninth. And I don't 603 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: I don't think you even finished the sentence. I was like, Yep, 604 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: I'll be there. Yep. Sounds good. Perfect. Yeah. Most most hunters, 605 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: when you say come to British columby November, they're like, yeah, 606 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: I can do Yeah, Yep, I can do that. Yep, 607 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: I can make that happen. Yeah. So then we we 608 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: went up there. The first time I met you, first 609 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: time I met Joe in person, um, the first time 610 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: I met Mike Hawkridge in person, and next thing you know, 611 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: we're rolling around and a beat up pickup truck, chasing 612 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: glass and cut blocks for moose and laughing our ass off. 613 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: And that was one of the few times where you 614 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: literally meet people for the first time and the next 615 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: thing you know, you're having the time of your life 616 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: with him. Whether you were hunting or not, I don't 617 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: think it wouldn't matter, No, it would. Yeah, that wasn't 618 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: bounding right trip, and there's you know, I need to 619 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: go on a lot of different trips, and that the 620 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: the feeling. You know, again, the truck in the camp 621 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: is not always just that. Um so that was yeah, 622 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: that was pretty cool. Yeah. So then we and it 623 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: ended up being a hell of a successful trip. Yeah yeah, 624 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: I mean we you know, like it's not the it's 625 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: not the middle of the rut, so we're not you know, 626 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: calling in bold from half mile away or whatever. But 627 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: it was you know, we just spent a lot of 628 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: time going to you know, different places and signing, finding 629 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: any moose and possibly Tod and I think that, you know, 630 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: still one of my favorite memories, not any h was 631 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: when we spotted Joe's moose and not very big. I 632 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: don't care, you know, you know, and then he shoots 633 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: the moose and then we uh, you know, the next 634 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: day we uh you know, I forgot the mute. I'll 635 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: seeing up in there. And then we took that photo. 636 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: And then the next day we go out and you shoot, 637 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: I was right there, just sprinting down the road. Yeah, 638 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: you know, I still have that photo of the moose, like, 639 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, like just like in the background, Joe's just running, Yeah, 640 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 1: just running. Well that was a whole like, so I'm 641 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: looking at the cover now, I got my years wrong. 642 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: The first cover was April fourteen, the second cover was 643 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: April of fifteen. These things that happen, Yeah, these things 644 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: happen different years, obviously, Um, but yeah, I mean I remember, 645 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: like I look at the cover now, if you look 646 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: at the April May her uh pigeons hunting. I'm sure 647 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 1: you could just google Joe Rogan Peterson Hunting, you'll see it. Uh. 648 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: It says eat what you killed. Down the left side, 649 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan celebrates the wild meat movement. Has a bunch 650 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: of other blurbs and stuff around it, but it's just 651 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: a picture of Joe holding the giant moose quarter for 652 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: just I mean, there really is no reason to be 653 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: holding it like that other than to just show people 654 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: this is this is it, bitches, this is what so 655 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: what we do. And I remember we shot a bunt. 656 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 1: We had a bunch of ideas for how to shoot 657 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: the cover and we we tried those and they just 658 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: didn't quite work. And this, the cover of him holding 659 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: the moose quarter, was kind of an afterthought. And we 660 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: were standing in this weird like kind of dead field 661 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: with not a whole lot going on. Yeah, it was 662 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: almost just like a little, you know whatever, an acre 663 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: of pasture land. And he had enough, you know, there 664 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: was enough of a rise where he was standing on 665 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: the top of the rise and I was able to 666 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: get low enough to get you know, a little bit 667 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 1: more clear sky or great sky in the back on 668 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, yeah, because we I don't know how 669 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: many different types of photos we shot. It was a lot, 670 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: but I'm happy with the one that they ended up picking. Yeah. 671 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: I remember in with the art director. I sat in 672 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: he picked that photo and once I saw it in 673 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: the cover, I thought, holy ship, that's gonna be good. 674 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: When I saw and I and the other thing I 675 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: remember is that Joe was bitch in the whole time. 676 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: He didn't want to do it because he wanted to 677 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: go hunt. He wanted me to get moved right like 678 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 1: you still hit uncut tagging. So he was just chomping 679 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: at the bit, you know. And I mean we didn't 680 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: we didn't spend an overly long amount of time, you know, 681 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: like it was the past few hours that we were, 682 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, playing with different ideas and stuff and sending 683 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 1: it off whatever. But the whole time he was just 684 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: like any time he had to, you know, pick something up, ever, 685 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: he was just you know, basically his white knuckling it 686 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: wanted to be out there chasing animals and not dealing 687 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: with what do you what we were doing. I think 688 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: later he trust at us though, like once he saw yeah, 689 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: I think he was like, Okay, I get it. But yeah, 690 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: So we we shot this thing and jump in the 691 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 1: truck and we're driving out to a couple lock where 692 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: he's seen a bull in the days prior to that. 693 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: And come we're driving on the road and two big 694 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 1: bulls run across a big for that area run across 695 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: the road. So we parked the truck, get out, I 696 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 1: jump out. I'm shooting a Blazar R eight straight pool 697 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: action rifle. I jump out, getting the bar ditch, get 698 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: up on the side these moves, run around this corner, 699 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: and I shoot him. I just started wailing away. I mean, 700 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: it's the last day or second the last day of 701 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: the hunt, and we have we've liked, and we've classed, 702 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: and like we haven't seen him moves anywhere near the 703 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 1: size of either one of these bulls. So I'm up 704 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: in this little area above the bar ditch and I shoot, 705 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: hit it, Shoot hit the bull. He's stumbling around and 706 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: I go to reload. He's dead at this point, on 707 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: his feet. And I go to reload and rogue in 708 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: his r and he started running down the road towards 709 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: this bull who was stumbling back and falling around. By 710 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: the time I get the gun back reloaded and back 711 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: to my shoulder, he's halfway to the animal and it's 712 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: just now fallen over and dieing. And and what did 713 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: he say? Like, what do you say afterwards? I just 714 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: wanted to be there when it died, or I wanted 715 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: to see it die, or I can't. He's like he's 716 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: like he's like I don't know, Like he went full 717 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 1: Forrest gump on us, didn't he He just started for running. 718 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: So we have that photo. Of course you have that 719 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: photo and um and then we have we have that 720 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 1: photo and then we have the cover photo. But I 721 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: think just that hunt, I mean afterwards, we cut that 722 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: bull up, took it back to camp to care of it, 723 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: and then we went to uh two down in several 724 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: bottles of what was it, spice Box Run, Oh god, 725 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: spice by from Yeah, what a tear. Oh, we're just 726 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,320 Speaker 1: thinking about it. Yeah, no, I'm starting to gag a 727 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: little bit. I'm just thinking about spice Box from now 728 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,720 Speaker 1: the makers. If anybody here works at the Spicebox from factory, 729 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: let's listening to this. It's a fine product. It's just 730 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: you can't drink. You can't drink two leaders of it 731 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: expect to be all right. Yeah, I mean it's absolutely delicious. Yeah, 732 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: it's spicy room. You know, you can't sit there and 733 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: tell stories about the hunt and uh and keep you know, 734 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: drinking glass after glass for several hours. Well, we ate 735 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,720 Speaker 1: we uh Joe was drilling up Moose liver and Moose 736 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,760 Speaker 1: heart and we were over there taking shots and partying 737 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: with with our guide, my Hackage and having a fun party, 738 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: and um just kind of got out of hand a 739 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: little bit and we had a good time though. Yeah. 740 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: And then uh, during like while we were eating and 741 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: cooking and drinking spicebox, but over the UFC event going 742 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: on and Joe of it up and streamed it and 743 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: he was basically commentating for all of us sitting at 744 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: the table. And didn't the road kill beaver show up 745 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: at some point? Yes, yeah, we forgot about that. I 746 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 1: have a photo of you and Hawker's and a beaver. Now, 747 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: these are the things that happened in the haze of 748 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: Spikes Box room. Like this was kind of the next thing, 749 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, a beaver shows up. There's nothing you can 750 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: do about it. Yeah, Mike just came through the door 751 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: like that. I mean that thing was giant. Yeah, one 752 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: of his buddies that has killed a giant beaver, a 753 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 1: road killed beaver. Found a beaver on the side of 754 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,240 Speaker 1: the road and they just brought it in. We uh, 755 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: they were cutting it up to eat it and we 756 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: took some pictures with it, which is totally respectful. I 757 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 1: thought of the animal and it's it's life, you know, 758 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 1: I think. Uh. We were in Canada though, you know, 759 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: like the never Failed. There's always some weird stuff that happened, 760 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 1: and there's a lovely country, but there's always going to 761 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: be something strange. Yeah, I love, no doubt love you can, 762 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: but yeah, sometimes you're messed up. Nothing you can do. 763 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I just think everybody has a 764 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: hunt like that. I think probably in their life. You 765 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: know that that you I didn't know what to expect, 766 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: and then it was it was something where even now 767 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: when that image pops up, I don't really think about 768 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: that cover and what people said about it later or 769 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: anither reaction to it. I just think about the time 770 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: we spent in camp and what that what that kind 771 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: of meant for me. And you know, I also think 772 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: that Joe during that hunt and you were there and 773 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: you were kind of in on the conversation, Joe was like, 774 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: you should start a podcast, Ben. I was like, yeah, well, 775 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: I was like, listen, Rogan, I don't even know what 776 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: that is. It's nobody podcasts. I think, what am I 777 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: going to talk about for hours on end on podcast? 778 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: He said you should do it, man, I'll help you out, 779 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: and I was all fired up. I think I even 780 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: called my dad, So I'm doing a podcast and then 781 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,319 Speaker 1: I just got back to the real world and let 782 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: it go. Well, I think what what happened was, uh, 783 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: we got back and then it was not that long 784 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 1: after that that you accepted a job with what you're 785 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 1: doing now. Yeah, you're yeah, so then it just kind 786 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 1: of put on the back turner just from moving on 787 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: another Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it was. It was yeah, 788 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: maybe say three or four months after that. Then I 789 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,839 Speaker 1: met you at a shot show and I said, Dude, 790 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm I gotta tell you, I'm taking a new gig 791 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 1: at Yeddi And you were like, well, Ship, yeah, I'm 792 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: taking a gig at Yedi too. Ye that work ed, 793 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: did ye are? But yeah, I mean that that Hunt 794 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: I think changed a lot about the way I thought 795 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,800 Speaker 1: of things. I think it was the first time I 796 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 1: realized that there could be and elevation and the conversation 797 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: past our bubble. Because even with you as young as 798 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: we both were at the time and still are, you 799 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: kind of get into the industry bubble and you have 800 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,920 Speaker 1: your conversation and you feel like that's what it's always 801 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: going to be, and then you meet somebody like Joe 802 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: Rogan and you elevate the conversation with a with a 803 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: cover like that and the image like that, and next thing, 804 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: you know, you realize, man, we could talk to a 805 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: lot more people. We could we could take this message 806 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: and spread it a lot further than it's currently going. 807 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: And so I think, I don't know about you, but 808 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,399 Speaker 1: for me, that was the first time I realized what 809 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 1: what it could be. No, And I think in addition 810 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 1: to that, do to mean if you if you're talking 811 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: about like just eating the animals that you you know 812 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: that you go out and shoot um. Like growing up, 813 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: you know, we allgate whatever we did. We did a 814 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 1: lot of bird hring when we had a lot of 815 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,239 Speaker 1: peasents and turned a lot of ducks into jerky and 816 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 1: they do when we talt to do and you know, 817 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,720 Speaker 1: it was always all, you know, really good and tasted 818 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: of it, but it it didn't it never seemed like 819 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: something out of the ordinary because that's just what you did, 820 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, And once you once you look 821 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: beyond that, you know, like heating it through the lens 822 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: of that cover, and like the controversy that it stirred 823 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 1: up and and that you know, allowing people to talk 824 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:26,439 Speaker 1: more about you know, um basically knowing where your food 825 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: comes from and controlling the consumption of your beat that 826 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 1: type of thing. It, uh it allows you to open 827 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: a mind about what hunting means to society as a whole, 828 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 1: and then to me it's personally and actually made me 829 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 1: appreciate while getting me way more than I ever had 830 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: and what that you know, like what that means to 831 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,280 Speaker 1: me in relation to everybody else. Yeah. Actually, that's probably 832 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 1: the first time that I really, uh man, was able 833 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 1: to drill down to to how I wanted to go forward, 834 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: you know, how I wanted to talk to people about 835 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,720 Speaker 1: hunting becaus see and Joe, you know, Joe shot the bully. 836 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 1: Shot was a forked horned forking antlerd H young moose. 837 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: I was a young bull and he shot it off 838 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,879 Speaker 1: the you know, shot it just in the bar ditch 839 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: off the road, much like I did. And so you know, 840 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,799 Speaker 1: if you were if I were to fast forward four 841 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 1: years and say, what's that the hunting purity score of 842 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 1: that hunt? I was like, oh, man, when when it 843 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,280 Speaker 1: came down to she came down of the actual hunting, 844 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,799 Speaker 1: it wasn't all that all that great. Um. It was 845 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: a rough time of year, the weather was weird. But 846 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,360 Speaker 1: when you if you take that away and be like, 847 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,320 Speaker 1: we just got each of us got two hundred pounds 848 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:49,320 Speaker 1: of meat, more probably than that. And I know I 849 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,959 Speaker 1: remember Hawkard's driving that meat down over the border into 850 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: l A to deliver it to Rogue and um, and 851 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: I remember how excited he was to shoot this fork 852 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 1: antlerd you know, moose and what it meant him to 853 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 1: cut it up. And it was like, wow, Okay, here's 854 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: somebody who's forty some forty five years old, never hunting before, 855 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,720 Speaker 1: and doesn't give two ships whether it's a fork, a antler, 856 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: or it's a moose. And I don't know if that 857 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,799 Speaker 1: was the first time I've been around somebody like that, 858 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,840 Speaker 1: but it was the first time I was impacted that 859 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 1: that's seriously by that idea. Yeah, no, I would. I 860 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,360 Speaker 1: would definitely agree with that. I mean because of you 861 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: and I both grew up in hunting families, and so 862 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 1: when you're breaking down an animal, it's like it's not 863 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,600 Speaker 1: this brand new experience. Um. Really, I mean like when 864 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: you're a kid, it's a new experience. But your dad 865 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 1: or your older brother or your uncle or whoever takes 866 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,880 Speaker 1: you out hunting, like has done it however many times, 867 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,399 Speaker 1: and so you know, they don't make like a big 868 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 1: deal out of it. But to watch somebody who you know, 869 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: got to from start to finish, you know, shot the animals, 870 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,440 Speaker 1: skin the animal cut of apart like you know, and 871 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 1: Mike was kind of walking through it like the different 872 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 1: you know, sections to start cutting out, and it was Yeah, 873 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 1: it was really cool to be part of that whole experience. Yeah, yeah, 874 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 1: it changes you a little bit. That that changed me. 875 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,759 Speaker 1: I don't know. I wrote even this week when you 876 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 1: posted that, Hey, it's been whatever three or fourty years 877 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: since that happened, and I look back at that now. 878 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,879 Speaker 1: I'm glad it happened the way it did. I could 879 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 1: have never guessed that that would have been. How would 880 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 1: I would have all went down? But it sure did, 881 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:28,240 Speaker 1: and I'm glad it did. That's yeah, Yeah, I wanted 882 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:34,400 Speaker 1: to go ahead. Yeah, on that trip, I was starting 883 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,080 Speaker 1: to get a little bit nervous because it was getting 884 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: later in the weeks before we ended up knocking the 885 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,359 Speaker 1: first moose down, and uh, but I'm yeah, I'm glad 886 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 1: it all panned out the way it ended up. Yeah, No, 887 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,839 Speaker 1: it did. And then I will I've got that the room. 888 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,839 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there now here with the bar h'm I've 889 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: got that cover hanging on the wall. So it's something 890 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,480 Speaker 1: that I personally think means a lot, and hopefully it 891 00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,799 Speaker 1: meant a lot to the you know, I certainly got 892 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,839 Speaker 1: a lot of compliments at the time, even more so 893 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,960 Speaker 1: later as as times going on. But um, yeah, I 894 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,839 Speaker 1: think it's seminal in the way that I see things. 895 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,160 Speaker 1: The other thing I wrote down that I wanted to 896 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: talk to you about because I think maybe you'll have 897 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 1: some similar experiences to me or will be able to 898 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 1: share some stuff is when public lands has been a 899 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,839 Speaker 1: big part of what you've been doing recently, right with 900 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 1: the bus and just just how you grew up in 901 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 1: a big part of who you are. When what was 902 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 1: the first time you realize what public lands were like, 903 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,719 Speaker 1: what they meant to the country, what they mean to 904 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,560 Speaker 1: use the hunter? What was the first time you feel 905 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,799 Speaker 1: like you really had true perspective on public lands? You know, 906 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: I mean slightly embarrassingly like I probably didn't think about 907 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:47,760 Speaker 1: it enough until until there was a possibility of them 908 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,680 Speaker 1: be like losing them. Um, you know, I mean it 909 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,840 Speaker 1: was always something that was just there, and so I 910 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,720 Speaker 1: think it's it's definitely something that I took for granted. Um, 911 00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,879 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, growing up in South Dakota, there's 912 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,400 Speaker 1: definitely some public land, but it's nothing compared to the West. 913 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,840 Speaker 1: I think, you know, once I once I moved west, 914 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,360 Speaker 1: you know, and and Montana resident. Now I think it 915 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,160 Speaker 1: definitely opened my eyes too. You know, you look at 916 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,840 Speaker 1: the you know, you look at the atlas or the 917 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 1: map or Onyx maps or whatever it might be in 918 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,359 Speaker 1: um Whereas back home it was you know, you've got 919 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,920 Speaker 1: whatever maybe a half section or or a full section 920 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 1: of public and different spots um. Whereas you know in 921 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,239 Speaker 1: Montana you've got, however, many millions of acres and when 922 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,279 Speaker 1: you can park at one trailhead and you can just like, 923 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: all right, I don't need to look at the map 924 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 1: anymore unless I need to. Don't figure out where I'm going, 925 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,920 Speaker 1: like I just know I'm going to be on public land. 926 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,840 Speaker 1: I think that was definitely a an eye opening experience. 927 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 1: You know, the fact that you can not only walk 928 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,839 Speaker 1: to that ridge, but you can walk to the ridge 929 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 1: after that, and the ridge after that ridge after that, 930 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:53,040 Speaker 1: and you just you know, continue chasing animals. UM as 931 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: far as your legs will carry you, um, but it 932 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,880 Speaker 1: should be perfectly honest. It wasn't until it was par 933 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,880 Speaker 1: of the platform to possibly transfer lands to the states, 934 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,359 Speaker 1: which for a lot of people out there that might 935 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,640 Speaker 1: not know if um is a cute way to package 936 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,880 Speaker 1: it up um and sell it to the general public. 937 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,560 Speaker 1: But as we've seen through history, a lot of the 938 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,680 Speaker 1: states that are given you know, land and it's managed 939 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: by the states, a lot of times that ends up 940 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,239 Speaker 1: getting sold off. And uh so I think once I 941 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,520 Speaker 1: saw the possibility of you know, stuff being transferred, stuff 942 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,400 Speaker 1: being sold or you know, like land swaps of different stuff, 943 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,400 Speaker 1: I think it's it really opened my eyes to the 944 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 1: opportunity that I've had in my life time to you know, 945 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:46,400 Speaker 1: spend and have experiences that have molded me into the 946 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,279 Speaker 1: person I am. UM. To have something like that go 947 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 1: away for future generations was you know, kind of hit 948 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,360 Speaker 1: me pretty hard, for sure. And I think that was 949 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,279 Speaker 1: it was my exact same experience because that and that 950 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,120 Speaker 1: was my guessing of what your answer would be, because 951 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people I grew up on 952 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,879 Speaker 1: the East Coast in Maryland and we hunted Green Ridge 953 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,480 Speaker 1: State Forest like was our backyard, and we never I 954 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,719 Speaker 1: my dad never said hey, son, do you realize what 955 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,880 Speaker 1: we're doing right now? You realize what this land is, 956 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,680 Speaker 1: You realize what, who who it belongs to, and why 957 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,160 Speaker 1: it's important. It was just never much like everything growing up, 958 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,120 Speaker 1: it was just never a topic because it was the 959 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,279 Speaker 1: thing that you did, and there was never any need 960 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,799 Speaker 1: to explain it because it wasn't in peril and there 961 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,120 Speaker 1: wasn't There wasn't like, hey, you need to know this 962 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,040 Speaker 1: because you might lose it. It It was this is ours, 963 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,880 Speaker 1: it will always be ours, and this experience will be 964 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,000 Speaker 1: in perpetuity. And then when you start to get a 965 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,920 Speaker 1: little bit older and you see that maybe that's not 966 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,520 Speaker 1: the case, you start to want to learn and defend 967 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,040 Speaker 1: the thing that you grew up with as a reality 968 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,120 Speaker 1: of your life and just something that was always there 969 00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,640 Speaker 1: for you, something that you probably needn't didn't even know 970 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:03,799 Speaker 1: you needed at some level. And so you so you 971 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,960 Speaker 1: learn a little bit more about public lands, probably through 972 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,920 Speaker 1: ross mosis, but also probably because it was important to you. 973 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,279 Speaker 1: Why why does then the you you know, flip the 974 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,480 Speaker 1: switch to activism as you have well, I don't know, 975 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:23,840 Speaker 1: I just um, it's you know, I growing up, you 976 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,080 Speaker 1: know I was a Ducks and Limited member, and I 977 00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,240 Speaker 1: was Rocky mountin Al Foundation member, and you know, different 978 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,399 Speaker 1: conservation organizations. But it was you know, all of that, 979 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,359 Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with this, but all of that 980 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 1: was more so about like you get the magazine and 981 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,120 Speaker 1: you go to the banquets and you you know, you 982 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,319 Speaker 1: hang out with other people that hunted that kind of thing. 983 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:47,400 Speaker 1: But I never you know, volunteered for creek clean up 984 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,040 Speaker 1: or nesting site clean up or fence removal or you know, 985 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,120 Speaker 1: whatever that was. And so I think there was probably 986 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,160 Speaker 1: a little bit of guilt there where I have been 987 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,839 Speaker 1: growing up in a in a country where I can 988 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,959 Speaker 1: go out and hunt, hunt, hunt, and I was never 989 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,040 Speaker 1: doing anything to give back. And so I think as 990 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,719 Speaker 1: the sportsman me like, I just looked at, you know, 991 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,480 Speaker 1: the voice that, even being a small voice that I 992 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,799 Speaker 1: have um in the hunting industry, and I just thought 993 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,680 Speaker 1: it felt like it was my duty as a sportsman 994 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,320 Speaker 1: to try to do what I can personally to protect 995 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,600 Speaker 1: that for future future generation. And so it was, you know, 996 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:30,960 Speaker 1: once that switch flipped, it was go time. And I 997 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,759 Speaker 1: was like, all right, I guess it's time to just 998 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,279 Speaker 1: talk about this and tell as many people and get 999 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,800 Speaker 1: involved and raise money, and um, you know, do whatever, 1000 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,160 Speaker 1: do my part too, you know, have this be something 1001 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,320 Speaker 1: that is an opportunity for anybody who not just people 1002 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,279 Speaker 1: who are hunting now, but someone who might want to 1003 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,080 Speaker 1: get into it, or you know, if I have kids, 1004 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,160 Speaker 1: my kids and their kids, and you know, it's just 1005 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,080 Speaker 1: it would be hard for me to live in a 1006 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,759 Speaker 1: country where people can't grow up and have the same 1007 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:05,160 Speaker 1: opportunity that I have right now. It's good for the soul. 1008 00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,359 Speaker 1: I don't know what else there is to say about it. 1009 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:12,600 Speaker 1: I think without those wild places, there's no release. Um. 1010 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,759 Speaker 1: And I think we, you know, we start to change 1011 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,759 Speaker 1: as a society. Yeah, I mean I think, Um, I 1012 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:23,080 Speaker 1: live in a country called Texas, and uh, it doesn't 1013 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,000 Speaker 1: have the same ah doesn't have the same freedoms as 1014 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,319 Speaker 1: the West has. I mean there's in Man. Before this, 1015 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,160 Speaker 1: I lived in Illinois and it's the same way. So 1016 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 1: it's not it's not exclusive to Texas. I think are 1017 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,160 Speaker 1: our idea of public lands and and the freedom to 1018 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:43,880 Speaker 1: explore is decidedly a Western idea And that's probably for 1019 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,560 Speaker 1: a lot of reasons want but mostly because a lot 1020 00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,239 Speaker 1: of that land is wilderness and a lot of that 1021 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:53,240 Speaker 1: land can't be turned into a profit center, unlike Texas 1022 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,160 Speaker 1: or Illinois might be able to with farm land and 1023 00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:00,680 Speaker 1: and um extractions. So yeah, I think that idea, Uh, 1024 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,840 Speaker 1: it's kind of permeated in me and been been instilled 1025 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,360 Speaker 1: in me over the last three or four years, maybe 1026 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,640 Speaker 1: maybe five years, to the point where you know, I 1027 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,200 Speaker 1: went from a twenty five year old person who loved 1028 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,080 Speaker 1: to hunt and enjoyed, as you said, the same kind 1029 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:19,000 Speaker 1: of banquet idea and the idea that my tag money 1030 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,440 Speaker 1: went back to conservation to a person who's now early 1031 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,440 Speaker 1: thirties who feels like there's a mission at hand, and 1032 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,160 Speaker 1: if we don't all serve that mission, then to ten 1033 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,040 Speaker 1: twenty years from now, we'll be sitting around and wishing 1034 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:37,719 Speaker 1: we did. Right. Yeah, you feel like there's a generation 1035 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,279 Speaker 1: gap there. My dad definitely always says to me, says 1036 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,840 Speaker 1: he's proud of our generation for stepping up as we 1037 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,120 Speaker 1: have because there's a need to step up. And I 1038 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,280 Speaker 1: don't know that that the previous generation felt that need, 1039 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:57,759 Speaker 1: and maybe there wasn't as pressing an environment. Yeah, I 1040 00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,799 Speaker 1: don't think it was as pressing for you know, like 1041 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,279 Speaker 1: father's generation, simply because the generation before them had put 1042 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,040 Speaker 1: into you know, the Pittman Robertson acting and I never 1043 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,840 Speaker 1: remember what it's called on the fishing side, but a 1044 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,840 Speaker 1: similar the what is it Dingle Johnson, which makes me giggle, 1045 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:19,920 Speaker 1: Dingle Johnson, I'm a child, which is a fairly unfortunate name. 1046 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:25,160 Speaker 1: But um no, I mean the previous generation had enacted 1047 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,480 Speaker 1: both of those bills where you know, it was it 1048 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,600 Speaker 1: was a huge stepping stone to you know, to to 1049 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,000 Speaker 1: bring back the funding the conservation. And I think because 1050 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,520 Speaker 1: like our father's generation was so huge, um, you know, 1051 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,799 Speaker 1: in in hunting and fishing. I mean there were so 1052 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,359 Speaker 1: many of them doing it that I think like their 1053 00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:52,920 Speaker 1: contribution simply from hunting licenses, fishing licenses, uh, conservation banquets, 1054 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,840 Speaker 1: that type of thing is way bigger than anything that 1055 00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,880 Speaker 1: our generation is doing now because there are you know, 1056 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,919 Speaker 1: there's the baby boomer generation is ten years from being 1057 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:09,520 Speaker 1: done hunting and the you know that's of the current 1058 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,080 Speaker 1: license holders, and there's there's nobody that's coming up to 1059 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,200 Speaker 1: fill that gap. So I think it's our generation needs 1060 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,360 Speaker 1: to do more. Um, Buying a hunting license is not enough. 1061 00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean it's great, Don't get me wrong. Like, I 1062 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,240 Speaker 1: think anybody who has a hunter safety card, even if 1063 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:26,520 Speaker 1: you're not going to help, to go out and buy 1064 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,360 Speaker 1: a hunting license every year because it's a contribution to 1065 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,360 Speaker 1: conservation and managing herds and managing land and that type 1066 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,520 Speaker 1: of thing. But no, I think our generation definitely sees 1067 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,200 Speaker 1: the need to take action and not just go hunt 1068 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,920 Speaker 1: because it's not enough. Yeah, I mean it's it's hunting 1069 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,440 Speaker 1: really peaked in the early eighties, and you looked at 1070 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,320 Speaker 1: like when it really started to rise, it was it 1071 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,000 Speaker 1: was post World War one, post World War two, and 1072 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,480 Speaker 1: when a lot of people were coming back from the 1073 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,280 Speaker 1: war and they had idle time, and technologies were starting 1074 00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,320 Speaker 1: to advance that allowed them to get for they're out 1075 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,880 Speaker 1: into the wilderness and allow them to you know, even 1076 00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,720 Speaker 1: in the turn of the century talk about refrigeration and 1077 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,120 Speaker 1: railways and just easier ways for people to get out 1078 00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,640 Speaker 1: and experienced hunting and they come back and enjoy the 1079 00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,040 Speaker 1: meat and it just enjoy the experience. And that I mean, 1080 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:20,040 Speaker 1: I think that is where modern sport hunting came to be, 1081 00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,720 Speaker 1: because you know, people have hunted on this continent for 1082 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,840 Speaker 1: many hundreds of years, as long as we've been on it. 1083 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,280 Speaker 1: There's been hunting, but modern sport hunting right in the 1084 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,400 Speaker 1: came to its peak in the early eighties as a 1085 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,720 Speaker 1: part of our dad's generation, right, I mean that there 1086 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:40,600 Speaker 1: was something like seventeen or eighteen million people purchase license 1087 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,640 Speaker 1: um or worse, seventeen or eighteen million hunters or something 1088 00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,960 Speaker 1: like that, and that's kind of the peak. And I 1089 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,040 Speaker 1: think that was the peak of our you know, around 1090 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,959 Speaker 1: the time we would have been born, but also around 1091 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,640 Speaker 1: the time when our fathers were in their prime. So yeah, 1092 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,720 Speaker 1: ship man, they were part of the prime um in 1093 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,440 Speaker 1: the history of modern sport and whatever. You know that 1094 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,840 Speaker 1: it's been around. Yeah, And you know what's interesting about 1095 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,160 Speaker 1: that to me though, is it was the prime for 1096 00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,000 Speaker 1: number of hunters, but it was nowhere close to the 1097 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,480 Speaker 1: prime as far as number of species go, because like 1098 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,480 Speaker 1: population numbers, Yeah, I mean I grew up waterfall hunting, 1099 00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,800 Speaker 1: and um, like the war fall numbers are the best 1100 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,120 Speaker 1: they've ever been, and there's you know, like there's a 1101 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,720 Speaker 1: less than half of the number of hunters there are 1102 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,240 Speaker 1: that that we're in like the late nineteen seventies and 1103 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,520 Speaker 1: there's like triple the birds or whatever the number is. UM. 1104 00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,400 Speaker 1: So it's kind of crazy man. It's it's been a 1105 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,880 Speaker 1: strange shift, you know, away from uh, you know, people 1106 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,560 Speaker 1: going away from hunting, and I think it's hunting isn't easy. 1107 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,400 Speaker 1: It's not a you know, it's not a it's you know, 1108 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:53,560 Speaker 1: in an age where instant gratification is you know, something 1109 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:59,240 Speaker 1: that a lot of people seek, Hunting is not that. Yeah. No, 1110 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,760 Speaker 1: I always describe it very much as like the the 1111 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,919 Speaker 1: idea of I'd like to go hunting, and actually going 1112 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,400 Speaker 1: hunting and being proficient is like walking a tighter across 1113 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,880 Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon. I mean, there's no there's no way 1114 01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,160 Speaker 1: to separate the idea from the reality and how far 1115 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,960 Speaker 1: it is from from just somebody who may listen to 1116 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,360 Speaker 1: this or who may just think independently from this, I'd 1117 01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,560 Speaker 1: love to go hunting and then trying to find um 1118 01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:32,400 Speaker 1: that access that skill, the idea, you know, to to 1119 01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,200 Speaker 1: process all the ideas that go with killing another living 1120 01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,080 Speaker 1: thing and then and then going back and doing it 1121 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,600 Speaker 1: again and again and again. I mean, all those things 1122 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,720 Speaker 1: are are tough to do, and I think our our generation, 1123 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,760 Speaker 1: unfortunately unfortunately whatever gets to do them in the public 1124 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,240 Speaker 1: eye because we choose to through social media, um, through 1125 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,479 Speaker 1: media and you and I are in a business where 1126 01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,480 Speaker 1: we both profit off of hunting in a lot of 1127 01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:03,160 Speaker 1: different ways, and uh, let's just change things, yeah, you know, 1128 01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,840 Speaker 1: and and kind of touching like adding to that, I 1129 01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,480 Speaker 1: think one thing we've done bad as an industry as 1130 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,320 Speaker 1: a whole um. You know, we don't have we need 1131 01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,120 Speaker 1: a PR agent. The industry does. But the one thing 1132 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,920 Speaker 1: we've I think we've done a bad job of is 1133 01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,520 Speaker 1: we we put so much emphasis on you know, white 1134 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,800 Speaker 1: tailed deer hunting and elk hunting and mule their hunting 1135 01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,760 Speaker 1: and chasing all of these it's incredibly hard to hunt 1136 01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:31,439 Speaker 1: big game species, whereas like our fathers would have, Yeah, 1137 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,160 Speaker 1: they deer hunt, but they also rabbit hunt, and they 1138 01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,640 Speaker 1: pheasant hunt, and they duck hunt, and they squirrel hunt, 1139 01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,680 Speaker 1: and they you know, they do a lot of other 1140 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,880 Speaker 1: types of hunting and small game hunting. Where people now 1141 01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,320 Speaker 1: say they're thinking about getting into the sport and the 1142 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,960 Speaker 1: person that they look up to, say is Joe Rogan, right, 1143 01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,480 Speaker 1: and like Joe Rogan got him into hunting. And then 1144 01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,080 Speaker 1: they go out and buy all the gear, and then 1145 01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,280 Speaker 1: they go out in the mountains and they get their 1146 01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:00,400 Speaker 1: asses absolutely kicked, and then they never go out again. 1147 01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:06,680 Speaker 1: Instead of starting with pheasant hunting or duck hunting or whatever, 1148 01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,520 Speaker 1: and you you know, you start with small game and 1149 01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:13,480 Speaker 1: you go out, you enjoy, simply enjoy the experience, and 1150 01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,080 Speaker 1: you might shoot a bird or two or rabbit or two, 1151 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,280 Speaker 1: and it's it's it's all about everything else, you know, 1152 01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,919 Speaker 1: instead of focusing on a big game animal. I think 1153 01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,440 Speaker 1: I think that's made it really hard for people to 1154 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,240 Speaker 1: get into it. Because the ultimate achievement, right, I mean 1155 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,120 Speaker 1: killing with the bow, it should be the ultimate thing. 1156 01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,480 Speaker 1: I mean that should be something you work towards for 1157 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,880 Speaker 1: your entire life, not something you walk up the mountain 1158 01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,800 Speaker 1: and do in a weekend. Yeah. And if if, if 1159 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,800 Speaker 1: you've never hunted before, and you go out and you 1160 01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,480 Speaker 1: buy a bow and all the clothing whatever, and you 1161 01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,400 Speaker 1: drive out to Montan and you walk into the mountains, 1162 01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:50,760 Speaker 1: like is it's going to be mentally challenging. And when 1163 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,200 Speaker 1: you don't shoot something, you're like, I just spent almost 1164 01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:58,000 Speaker 1: a thousand dollars on a tag. I spent clothing and 1165 01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,000 Speaker 1: a bow and all this stuff and fuel out here 1166 01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,800 Speaker 1: from all that, you know, I dropped ten grand to 1167 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,360 Speaker 1: get into this, and then I didn't succeed in if 1168 01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, if success is killing an animal so that 1169 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,480 Speaker 1: you know person's mentality. But it almost has to be, 1170 01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,160 Speaker 1: especially if you start pushing like we've done in the past, 1171 01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,960 Speaker 1: like meat is the meat is the goal, and well, 1172 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,240 Speaker 1: of course killing something is the goal, because that's the 1173 01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,080 Speaker 1: only way that happened. There is no other way. I 1174 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,120 Speaker 1: met a guy um two couple of days ago and 1175 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,480 Speaker 1: here in Austin, and if you don't mind, I want 1176 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,680 Speaker 1: to read I'm pulling it up now is when you're 1177 01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:32,640 Speaker 1: talking about this. This guy sent an email in to 1178 01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,240 Speaker 1: me through the Hunting Collective dot com, had listened to 1179 01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,560 Speaker 1: the podcast a few times, send an email in and 1180 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,400 Speaker 1: then I actually got the medium a couple of days ago. 1181 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,920 Speaker 1: But this guy's name was Daniel Porter, and he wrote 1182 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,360 Speaker 1: and he said, Ben, I'm not a hunter yet. I 1183 01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,800 Speaker 1: grew up in a fairly liberal household in Washington, EC. 1184 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,000 Speaker 1: Not only was I not connected with the hunting industry 1185 01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,560 Speaker 1: in any way, but in the middle of a concrete jungle, 1186 01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,760 Speaker 1: there's very little opportunity to do so in any way. 1187 01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,400 Speaker 1: And I also did not want to express my interest 1188 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,360 Speaker 1: out of fear that I would be judged by my 1189 01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,480 Speaker 1: interest in guns. A year ago, I started listening to 1190 01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,560 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan. Through that podcast, I became familiar with John Dudley, 1191 01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,280 Speaker 1: Cam Haynes, Remmy Warren, Steve Ronilla, and a host of 1192 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,440 Speaker 1: other individuals and companies that promote hunting. And then I 1193 01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,760 Speaker 1: heard you on the Gritty Bowman podcast, and it opened 1194 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,880 Speaker 1: my eyes. Here was a guy with as simply a 1195 01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,720 Speaker 1: complex philosophy that I had been waiting for. The thought 1196 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,160 Speaker 1: of killing an animal still bothers me, and I'm a 1197 01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,560 Speaker 1: forty four year old man. However, the idea that I 1198 01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,040 Speaker 1: could love animals still take one's life never occurred to 1199 01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,320 Speaker 1: me until I listen to what you and others had 1200 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,360 Speaker 1: to say. It is a dichotomy that is truly, truly confusing, 1201 01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,880 Speaker 1: and yet one that I am desperately wishing to be 1202 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,600 Speaker 1: immersed in. I have a twelve year old son, and 1203 01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,320 Speaker 1: I very much wanted him to be involved at hunting 1204 01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,280 Speaker 1: and to be aware of the history and how he 1205 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,640 Speaker 1: got here in the first place as a species. We're 1206 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,480 Speaker 1: going to go Haavelina hunting later this year so that 1207 01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,800 Speaker 1: we can both experience this together for the first time. 1208 01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:01,480 Speaker 1: And he goes on to say, a bunch of other stuff. Um. 1209 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,480 Speaker 1: And I got to meet that guy, Daniel Porter the 1210 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,400 Speaker 1: other day and we sat and talked for a long time, 1211 01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:11,000 Speaker 1: and he had um even the what you were just saying, Sam, Like, 1212 01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,720 Speaker 1: isn't that guy the archetype of what we were just 1213 01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,720 Speaker 1: talking about. I mean, listens to Joe Rogan, picks it up, 1214 01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,880 Speaker 1: wants to do it, and now has this great challenge 1215 01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,640 Speaker 1: of how the hell do I pull this off? Right? 1216 01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,880 Speaker 1: So he we talked about his biggest problem in Texas, 1217 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,880 Speaker 1: living in Austin, Texas was access. So him and I 1218 01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,360 Speaker 1: talked through that for about an hour and I kind 1219 01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,120 Speaker 1: of gave him a bunch of ideas what access could 1220 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,720 Speaker 1: be and then have you emailed with him and give 1221 01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,720 Speaker 1: him some ideas about where he might be able to go. 1222 01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,000 Speaker 1: But but he's trying to walk across that tightrope that 1223 01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,320 Speaker 1: is the Grand Canyon to get to the other side, um, 1224 01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,520 Speaker 1: which I find super interesting. I hope to follow this 1225 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,080 Speaker 1: how followed Daniel and see how he gets gets it 1226 01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:55,520 Speaker 1: done because it's not easy. Yeah, And that's I mean, 1227 01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,600 Speaker 1: that's honestly, that's like a mini documentary in itself is 1228 01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,200 Speaker 1: follow to someone you know of that age who has 1229 01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,560 Speaker 1: never done it. Before and uh, you know, and followed 1230 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,520 Speaker 1: their journey like into the sport. I think that would 1231 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,040 Speaker 1: be super interesting to a lot of people who you know, 1232 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,720 Speaker 1: may be on the fence about how they feel about 1233 01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,840 Speaker 1: hunting in general. Yeah, and I think I mean, we 1234 01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,440 Speaker 1: we know now as we start to do studies and 1235 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,480 Speaker 1: look around as with that the baby boom or population 1236 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:28,520 Speaker 1: that you mentioned, we know now that recruitment among or 1237 01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,400 Speaker 1: retention more of retention among young hunters who are introduced 1238 01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:36,680 Speaker 1: at the early age is much less effective than it 1239 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:42,280 Speaker 1: is if somebody starts in their thirties. Now, because they started, 1240 01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,440 Speaker 1: they start just like you and I did, with very 1241 01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,640 Speaker 1: little understanding of like the the overall impact culturally and 1242 01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,800 Speaker 1: in our society. Then they get they turn eighteen, and 1243 01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,160 Speaker 1: they get a girlfriend, and they go to college, and 1244 01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,120 Speaker 1: they forget about hunting and a lot of them never 1245 01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,680 Speaker 1: go back to it. But if somebody starts in their thirties, 1246 01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,040 Speaker 1: when they have a child who they want to show 1247 01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,840 Speaker 1: um and they learn about it, it sticks because they 1248 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,720 Speaker 1: they're already they're able to have the finances and the 1249 01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:14,240 Speaker 1: mental capacity to handle the damn thing and do it. Yep, yep. 1250 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,680 Speaker 1: So then the real trick is how do we reach 1251 01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,400 Speaker 1: those people and how do we you know, cultivate that 1252 01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:27,160 Speaker 1: and get more of those people involved that If anybody 1253 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:31,160 Speaker 1: has to answer that question, I have no idea, but 1254 01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,200 Speaker 1: I think there like so if you look at that 1255 01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,360 Speaker 1: thirty because I'm glad you brought that up. There's a 1256 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,919 Speaker 1: great article. I'm trying to find it now. It's called 1257 01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,160 Speaker 1: there It is why we suck at recruiting new hunters, 1258 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:43,880 Speaker 1: why it matters, and how it can fix it was 1259 01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:49,080 Speaker 1: written by Natalie Cribs in Outdoor Life recently here in 1260 01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,440 Speaker 1: Lasson in January, and she talks about a lot of 1261 01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,320 Speaker 1: stuff in this, but most I think, most importantly is 1262 01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,160 Speaker 1: if you take that thirty percent that's fifty five and older, 1263 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,600 Speaker 1: that's a baby boomer, and you eliminate them from situation, 1264 01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,760 Speaker 1: we're kind of screwed. In fact, we're not kind of 1265 01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,560 Speaker 1: we're screwed when we're out of it. Where we went 1266 01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:12,920 Speaker 1: from seventeen million, hundred two to possibly and you know, 1267 01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:20,080 Speaker 1: six million or less. Yum. But I said, you know, 1268 01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:24,559 Speaker 1: and and and once they're done, I don't think continuing. Well, 1269 01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,360 Speaker 1: I like the phone the phone podcast. You get to 1270 01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,479 Speaker 1: do this, like you go, no, I'll go um. What 1271 01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,360 Speaker 1: I would say to that is, he's just like if 1272 01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,000 Speaker 1: somebody like Daniel so Daniels forty four and he and 1273 01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,680 Speaker 1: he listened to Joe and then found this podcast and 1274 01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,200 Speaker 1: other voices of people that have have helped him. But 1275 01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:46,719 Speaker 1: if he teaches his son, who's twelve, the new way, right, 1276 01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:51,400 Speaker 1: which isn't how we were taught, but is it's very um, 1277 01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:56,719 Speaker 1: I think very just understanding of the complexity of hunting 1278 01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,480 Speaker 1: and how it plays out in our society and urbanization 1279 01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,040 Speaker 1: and kind of the conversation that needs to happen for 1280 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,559 Speaker 1: everyone to understand hunting. If that guy teaches his twelve 1281 01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,160 Speaker 1: year old son and you can get a hundred thousand 1282 01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:15,040 Speaker 1: or a million Daniels to teach their son, well then 1283 01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,519 Speaker 1: you have not only a new crop of hunters that 1284 01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,880 Speaker 1: are sub fifty five years of age, but then even 1285 01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:25,000 Speaker 1: a newer crop of hunters that are you know, youth 1286 01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,800 Speaker 1: hunters that are learning a new way. I think that's 1287 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,880 Speaker 1: probably important overall. Yeah, I feel like that's probably the 1288 01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:37,760 Speaker 1: avenue we need to go down. Yeah, you know, quote 1289 01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,240 Speaker 1: unquote saved the hunting industry because I mean, once we 1290 01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, once we lose those hunting is not older 1291 01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:47,080 Speaker 1: hunting is not gone. Um, but our voice, you know, 1292 01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:52,200 Speaker 1: in any sort of policy making is is that's tough. Yeah. Yeah, 1293 01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:54,840 Speaker 1: well you and I are both early thirties, so you 1294 01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:00,240 Speaker 1: we're kind of in that gap generation. That's that's kind 1295 01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,880 Speaker 1: of wondering what happened before us and what will happen 1296 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,120 Speaker 1: in the future. I mean, there just isn't there's no 1297 01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:09,000 Speaker 1: answer to why either one happened the way it did. Yeah, 1298 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,360 Speaker 1: And uh so this is a kind of a different thought. 1299 01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,679 Speaker 1: But and you correct me if if you think I'm wrong. 1300 01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,960 Speaker 1: But I feel like there's there's less hunters now for sure. 1301 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,760 Speaker 1: I mean that's in the math, but the hunters that 1302 01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,080 Speaker 1: are out there, I think through social media and through 1303 01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, watching people who hunt hard, I think that 1304 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:33,880 Speaker 1: the people that are out there in the field are Um. 1305 01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,000 Speaker 1: Even though there's less hunters, if you go hunt public land, 1306 01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,439 Speaker 1: it feels like there's more hunter presence now more than 1307 01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:44,240 Speaker 1: ever because the mentality is like I gotta walk five 1308 01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,600 Speaker 1: miles in whereas it used to you know, whereas it 1309 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,040 Speaker 1: used to be like I'm gonna go hunt, but you know, 1310 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,920 Speaker 1: mile too off the road, Like that's good enough. Um, 1311 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,760 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I've seen it in a 1312 01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,479 Speaker 1: lot of places where I've been where there's not that 1313 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,599 Speaker 1: many people hunting, but you end not bumping into people 1314 01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,960 Speaker 1: because they have the same mentality as as I do. 1315 01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:07,080 Speaker 1: Were I'm just gonna walk until I'm pretty sure I'm 1316 01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,280 Speaker 1: not going to see anybody, and then you know we're 1317 01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:16,120 Speaker 1: all sitting there on the same knob. Yeah, we're five 1318 01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,120 Speaker 1: miles in. I used to do it. I did that 1319 01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:19,880 Speaker 1: as a kid. I try to bawl the further I 1320 01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,200 Speaker 1: walked him. I'd run into like the highway and I'd 1321 01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,640 Speaker 1: be people and once I didn't seen anybody for the 1322 01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,160 Speaker 1: five miles I walked in. But yeah, I think we 1323 01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:30,599 Speaker 1: need to I think we need to recruit a new 1324 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,280 Speaker 1: generation of road hunters. Yeah. New generation hunters are like 1325 01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,320 Speaker 1: the spook stuff into the core of the wilderness where 1326 01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,679 Speaker 1: we or we're waiting. Yeah. I would like to buy 1327 01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,320 Speaker 1: the license, but don't like to do all the work. 1328 01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,200 Speaker 1: They don't care about that. Pivot rarmers and tax I'll 1329 01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:45,479 Speaker 1: buy seven guns, that's fine, that's right. Yeah, fun this 1330 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:49,320 Speaker 1: bit y. Yeah, I wonder I wonder how that'll how 1331 01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,040 Speaker 1: that'll all break down. I mean, it's going to take 1332 01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:55,160 Speaker 1: some decades for this all the shake loose and it's 1333 01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:58,160 Speaker 1: hard to talk about. It was just a bunch of numbers. Um. 1334 01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,519 Speaker 1: Natalie did a good job in that Outfore Life article 1335 01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,960 Speaker 1: of trying to break it down. But but it just 1336 01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:04,600 Speaker 1: it's gonna have to shake out. I mean, there was 1337 01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:10,680 Speaker 1: no way. There was nobody in you know, prognosticating what 1338 01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:14,280 Speaker 1: it would be. There's just no way. There's no way 1339 01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:18,160 Speaker 1: to know. And I guess my overall where I always 1340 01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:21,960 Speaker 1: stop when this line of line of conversation goes on 1341 01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:27,759 Speaker 1: is that I think urbanization is going to be hunting's 1342 01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,280 Speaker 1: biggest tool in the future, just because people are going 1343 01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,000 Speaker 1: to be living in these cities and they're gonna have 1344 01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:36,040 Speaker 1: this need to go outside and do something to connect 1345 01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,040 Speaker 1: them to nature, and then hunting is going to be 1346 01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:39,960 Speaker 1: They're waiting for him and they're like, oh this they 1347 01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,519 Speaker 1: do it one time, they're holy ship, this is awesome. 1348 01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:47,240 Speaker 1: Next thing. You know, I would agree with that. Well, 1349 01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:50,559 Speaker 1: shall see, we shall see what's next for the bus man. 1350 01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,559 Speaker 1: So the bus uh, I think it'll be a big 1351 01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:58,160 Speaker 1: year for the bus Um. Like I said before, I 1352 01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,240 Speaker 1: kicking it off with some turkey hunting and stuf Off 1353 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,120 Speaker 1: rolling it out driving out to Boise for the b 1354 01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,519 Speaker 1: h A Rendezvous, and it's gonna be parked at um 1355 01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,559 Speaker 1: if anybody else is going out there that's listening to this, 1356 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,960 Speaker 1: the bus is gonna be parked all weekend at White 1357 01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,240 Speaker 1: Dog Brewing, which is only about a block and a 1358 01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:17,160 Speaker 1: half away from the Boise Center. And I'm gonna trying 1359 01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,559 Speaker 1: to plan some event for Saturday, um with the bus 1360 01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,960 Speaker 1: and kind of be out there and given tours or whatever. 1361 01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,560 Speaker 1: But um, yeah, so going to the going to the rendezvous, 1362 01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:30,639 Speaker 1: and then UM, I'm gonna focus down. My original plan 1363 01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,599 Speaker 1: was to just live in the bus for a year, 1364 01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,800 Speaker 1: and uh, it turned I did that all last fall. 1365 01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,800 Speaker 1: It turns out I can't get anything done. I shoot 1366 01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,400 Speaker 1: a lot of photos and video, and I have all 1367 01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,479 Speaker 1: this great content, and but I don't have any time 1368 01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,240 Speaker 1: to sit down and and get it all, you know, 1369 01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,360 Speaker 1: get it out to the everybody who wants to see it. 1370 01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,800 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna focus down a little bit this year 1371 01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,480 Speaker 1: and doing one or two big trips a month. Um, 1372 01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,160 Speaker 1: so you know, spring Turkey gonna do some stuff. And 1373 01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,360 Speaker 1: Black Hills National Forest in South Dakota, a bunch of 1374 01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,840 Speaker 1: other publicly turkey hunting here and there. But um, going 1375 01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,640 Speaker 1: into the summer. In June, I'm doing a trip up 1376 01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,200 Speaker 1: to the Boundary Waters in northern Minnesota. I'm gonna be 1377 01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,280 Speaker 1: doing talking a lot about the potential mind site up 1378 01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,439 Speaker 1: there and kind of what that means and and that 1379 01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:18,360 Speaker 1: whole wilderness area. And then uh, July, trying to work 1380 01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,280 Speaker 1: out some sort of you know, backpacking trip or something 1381 01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:25,120 Speaker 1: out on the National Forest and out west somewhere and um. 1382 01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,559 Speaker 1: But yeah, but basically gonna focus down one or two 1383 01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:31,200 Speaker 1: big trips a month and really you know, kick out 1384 01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,360 Speaker 1: a lot of content for people and and talk about 1385 01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,360 Speaker 1: talk more about public lands and and how they relate 1386 01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:41,360 Speaker 1: to private land and how we need both. And um, 1387 01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,839 Speaker 1: it's h Yeah, I'm gonna be doing a lot of traveling, 1388 01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,120 Speaker 1: a lot of photo and video stuff and obviously rolling 1389 01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,479 Speaker 1: into hunting season, it's gonna be it's gonna be busy, 1390 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,680 Speaker 1: So it'll be It'll be a good year. I have 1391 01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:56,920 Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Do you are you realizing that 1392 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,720 Speaker 1: I was just looking around on Instagram and uh, Instagram 1393 01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:06,639 Speaker 1: has that Joe Rogan cover on your page? Sensitive content? Yeah? 1394 01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,040 Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't able to see that, but I've 1395 01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,519 Speaker 1: had I don't know. People comment that that it was 1396 01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,640 Speaker 1: sensitive content, so man, I don't know. I mean it 1397 01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:18,040 Speaker 1: must be. Somebody must flag the post um, you know. 1398 01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,120 Speaker 1: It's like I had one person put a pretty negative 1399 01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:23,360 Speaker 1: comment on there, and so I deleted the comment because 1400 01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:27,000 Speaker 1: nobody needs that. And I'm assuming that they flagged it, 1401 01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:31,759 Speaker 1: you know, for whatever says this photo contains sensitive content 1402 01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:36,519 Speaker 1: which people may find offensive or disturbing. Just people in general, 1403 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,800 Speaker 1: not certain types of people. But all right, yeah, which 1404 01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,680 Speaker 1: is pretty funny because it's literally just meat. It's a 1405 01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:48,080 Speaker 1: picture of meat. Man doing anything but holding a picture 1406 01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,960 Speaker 1: of meat. No, it's not like you know, it's not 1407 01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,680 Speaker 1: like Joe is holding it up like you're eating the 1408 01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:57,760 Speaker 1: giant turkey leg or something, which would be he's not 1409 01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:02,280 Speaker 1: even there. Yeah, oh god, this could be. We could 1410 01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,360 Speaker 1: go down and rat and all with this conversation. Holy 1411 01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:07,040 Speaker 1: sh it, I can't believe that photo is now sensitive 1412 01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:12,439 Speaker 1: content on the Internet. Anybody listens to this check my 1413 01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,400 Speaker 1: page because I can't. I guess you can't see if 1414 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:18,720 Speaker 1: it's your own ships sensitive content. But yeah, it's nice 1415 01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:20,160 Speaker 1: to say. I think you and I post a lot 1416 01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:24,680 Speaker 1: of sensitive content. Yeah, a lot. Well that's good. I 1417 01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,120 Speaker 1: like to be in that, but which is fine. I 1418 01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,120 Speaker 1: think it made a lot more people look at it 1419 01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:32,439 Speaker 1: because you know, people want what they can't have, and 1420 01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,200 Speaker 1: they're like, I want to see what that is. Isn't 1421 01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,880 Speaker 1: that the funny part about that they think they're protecting people, 1422 01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,960 Speaker 1: but really that people are just drawn to whatever it 1423 01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,439 Speaker 1: is that they can't see. Yeah. Yeah, in this case 1424 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:48,240 Speaker 1: Joseph Joe holding a moose leg. Only God damn moose leg. 1425 01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:53,960 Speaker 1: Yeah well yeah, good back to the bus. Um. I 1426 01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:55,840 Speaker 1: think I just personally appreciate what you're doing, and I 1427 01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,240 Speaker 1: think it's important in any effort to shine the light 1428 01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:03,519 Speaker 1: on you know, b h A or trc P or 1429 01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:08,759 Speaker 1: just just any piece of knowledge that folks can gain 1430 01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:11,720 Speaker 1: about these these subjects is important. I mean, I will 1431 01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,559 Speaker 1: you know, and all honestly, I'm a board member for 1432 01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,800 Speaker 1: b h A, but I don't. I think that just 1433 01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:21,080 Speaker 1: makes me more my my sense is a little more 1434 01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,519 Speaker 1: heightened when it comes to the public land discussion. Um. 1435 01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,840 Speaker 1: But I think it's important for people too. And you've 1436 01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,080 Speaker 1: done You've done a great job, especially with stuff in 1437 01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,679 Speaker 1: South Dakota you've been doing recently, and then Boundary Waters 1438 01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:35,120 Speaker 1: of just pushing people to get educated. You know, you 1439 01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:39,559 Speaker 1: can talk all day about how important it is and 1440 01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,400 Speaker 1: get all real fluffy about America and America the ideals 1441 01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,160 Speaker 1: and what public things mean. That's that's great. Anybody can 1442 01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:49,760 Speaker 1: fucking do that. Anybody can say that. Well, what but 1443 01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,280 Speaker 1: people can't say is let's educate you in the lane 1444 01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,760 Speaker 1: of Water Conservation Act, or let's educate you on the 1445 01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,960 Speaker 1: mind they're proposing for the boundary waters and what that 1446 01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,439 Speaker 1: really is and what that could mean for the future. 1447 01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,760 Speaker 1: I think those things are important. So I'm glad you're 1448 01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,920 Speaker 1: you're busting it making it happen. Yeah, you know, and 1449 01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, everything's of all right with ideas and whatever. 1450 01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,040 Speaker 1: My original idea with the bus was to travel all 1451 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,920 Speaker 1: over the country and you know, go to different chunks 1452 01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,040 Speaker 1: and and then I realized that I I don't have 1453 01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,599 Speaker 1: to travel that far to tell the same story because 1454 01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,320 Speaker 1: it's you know, like I just want people to be 1455 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,479 Speaker 1: able to relate to me and like what I'm doing 1456 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,960 Speaker 1: and what I'm talking about with wherever they live. I mean, 1457 01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,080 Speaker 1: I don't have to go to you know whatever, I 1458 01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,439 Speaker 1: don't have to go to Utah to talk about, you know, 1459 01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:37,320 Speaker 1: how important public land is. I can you know, I 1460 01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,320 Speaker 1: can go hunt my old haunts or explore some new 1461 01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,400 Speaker 1: places and and do the you know, tell the same message. Um. 1462 01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,320 Speaker 1: The one hunt that I'm pretty excited about this fall. 1463 01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:49,800 Speaker 1: I just found out that I drew ah my North 1464 01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:53,320 Speaker 1: Dakota any Deer archery tag, which is fairly tough to draw, 1465 01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:55,680 Speaker 1: and so I'm gonna go chase mule deer with a 1466 01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,479 Speaker 1: buddy of mine who lives in North Dakota. Um. But 1467 01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,519 Speaker 1: I'm pretty pumped up that because that entire like a 1468 01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,000 Speaker 1: lot of the western part western edge of North Dakota 1469 01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:09,679 Speaker 1: is National grassland, but it's also home to the Bachan 1470 01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:14,479 Speaker 1: oil field, and it has been like the extraction and 1471 01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:16,759 Speaker 1: the roads and the wells and all of that stuff 1472 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,960 Speaker 1: that's been built on there. I'm I'm excited to show what, 1473 01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,439 Speaker 1: you know, a national like a federally owned place that 1474 01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,479 Speaker 1: has been turned into oil extraction. It's going to look 1475 01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,960 Speaker 1: like or can look like. And you know, one of 1476 01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:35,439 Speaker 1: the places in the country that molded Teddy Roosevelts like 1477 01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,679 Speaker 1: view of land was the bad Lands in North Dakota. 1478 01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:41,679 Speaker 1: And so you know, I want to show a bunch 1479 01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,400 Speaker 1: of you know, video footage and photography of that area 1480 01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,840 Speaker 1: this year, and you know, you can, like if you 1481 01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:49,840 Speaker 1: remove all those roads and all those wells, you can 1482 01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:51,320 Speaker 1: kind of get an idea of what it would have 1483 01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,479 Speaker 1: looked like with none of that infrastructure in there. So 1484 01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,160 Speaker 1: that's you know, I think I think doing projects like 1485 01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:01,280 Speaker 1: that means more than like just instantly cruising around in 1486 01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:05,559 Speaker 1: the in the bus going hey, I'm you know, I'm 1487 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,840 Speaker 1: in as I want to. I want to do things 1488 01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,120 Speaker 1: that are a little bit more meaningful. Well good, Yeah, 1489 01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:11,920 Speaker 1: I think those things are all important. And it's that 1490 01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:16,280 Speaker 1: you know, I've found recently, especially when like the Land 1491 01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,240 Speaker 1: and Water Conservation Act is up for for funding or 1492 01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:23,880 Speaker 1: up for defunding moreover um and people have started to 1493 01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,200 Speaker 1: talk about it. Well, I can guarantee there's a whole 1494 01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,439 Speaker 1: generation of people that have no idea what that is. 1495 01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,240 Speaker 1: And so you start to get this general idea about 1496 01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,280 Speaker 1: what that fund is and where it comes from, but 1497 01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,719 Speaker 1: you don't really see it in action, right you never, 1498 01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,680 Speaker 1: nobody ever does delivers you a tangible example of what 1499 01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,800 Speaker 1: that money from that fund goes towards or where it 1500 01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:48,200 Speaker 1: comes from, or you know, the whole process. IM same 1501 01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:52,000 Speaker 1: with Pittman Robertson, the same with with your tags and 1502 01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:55,519 Speaker 1: license fees. There's no, you don't buy the license, and 1503 01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,240 Speaker 1: then in the book it doesn't tell you where the 1504 01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,800 Speaker 1: money goes. H At least as far as I know, 1505 01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,280 Speaker 1: I've never seen that. No, you don't buy the rifle, 1506 01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,880 Speaker 1: and it doesn't tell you what where that tax went. Um, 1507 01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,679 Speaker 1: so I hope you know, things like what you're doing 1508 01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:13,160 Speaker 1: are just specific examples that people can use to give 1509 01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:17,120 Speaker 1: a tangible meaning to these ideas that were thrown around 1510 01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:21,120 Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, yeah, bravo. And then you also 1511 01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:25,920 Speaker 1: have public land Tease. Yeah yeah, yep, so started a 1512 01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:28,000 Speaker 1: T shirt company to kind of kind of in conjunction 1513 01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,920 Speaker 1: with the bus project but um yeah, public land Tease 1514 01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:36,080 Speaker 1: dot com and five dollars from every shirt goes to 1515 01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,320 Speaker 1: back country hunters and anglers. And the reason, you know, 1516 01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people wonder why I chose d h A, 1517 01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,639 Speaker 1: And the reason I chose h A was because right 1518 01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,840 Speaker 1: now they have the large, like what I feel is 1519 01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,280 Speaker 1: the largest voice talking to both people that hunt and 1520 01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,240 Speaker 1: people that fish. And to be able to cross that 1521 01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,600 Speaker 1: line is a is a big deal for me. And 1522 01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,080 Speaker 1: to be able to raise money for an organization that 1523 01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:02,160 Speaker 1: is has a huge voice on in both of those 1524 01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:05,400 Speaker 1: communities is a big deal. So but yeah, public plan 1525 01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,639 Speaker 1: dot com and I do have some news and it's 1526 01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,639 Speaker 1: coming out soon. I just need to get them mocks 1527 01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:13,240 Speaker 1: up on the um on the digital signment and get 1528 01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,080 Speaker 1: them on the website. So a pre sale good. I'm 1529 01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:18,080 Speaker 1: sure they'll be sensitive content. I'm sure they'll be probably 1530 01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:22,559 Speaker 1: very sensitively. Yeah, well, good man. Well, I just want 1531 01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,360 Speaker 1: to have you on the talk. I know we talk 1532 01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:27,080 Speaker 1: all the time. We'll be hunting a bunch this year, 1533 01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:30,320 Speaker 1: probably together. I'm sure we can't see not do that, 1534 01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:34,360 Speaker 1: which which I um, what we really need to figure 1535 01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,040 Speaker 1: out is how to get to it on the bus 1536 01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,760 Speaker 1: at some point this year. Well, that shouldn't be hard, 1537 01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:42,200 Speaker 1: like um no, it will be. Well, I'll probably let's 1538 01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,280 Speaker 1: just say this, if you have an event at the Rondeby, 1539 01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,000 Speaker 1: I'll be on the bus. I'll probably be the drunk 1540 01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:51,439 Speaker 1: guy in the back sleeping on the queen bed. I'll 1541 01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:53,840 Speaker 1: be sure to lock up all of my valuable thing. Yeah, 1542 01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,679 Speaker 1: please please, But yeah, I mean I just think that 1543 01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:02,280 Speaker 1: as somebody who's relatively to most people a young man, 1544 01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,800 Speaker 1: and he's the same for yourself, Like, we've got a 1545 01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:06,920 Speaker 1: lot of years in this thing together, and it's good 1546 01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,320 Speaker 1: to know there's guys like you out there that care 1547 01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:11,479 Speaker 1: about the right stuff and they're doing the right stuff. 1548 01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,519 Speaker 1: And I'll close by saying thanks, buddy, I really appreciate 1549 01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:18,480 Speaker 1: all you're doing. Yeah, thanks for having me on beautiful 1550 01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:24,400 Speaker 1: talk to you man. Yeah, for sure, that's it episode 1551 01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:28,840 Speaker 1: number eight in the books. Appreciate Sam joining me talking 1552 01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,320 Speaker 1: about all things public lands, all things hunting. Same and 1553 01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:34,080 Speaker 1: I have a lot of stories to tell when it 1554 01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:37,000 Speaker 1: comes to big adventures. We've done a lot of them, 1555 01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:40,519 Speaker 1: and I appreciate always having Sam along. And uh, I 1556 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:45,200 Speaker 1: always compare that guy too. If I he's my Johnnie, 1557 01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,719 Speaker 1: if I was Steve Ornell, he'd be my Joanna's pateel 1558 01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:52,280 Speaker 1: Us And all compliments to everybody involved in that analogy. 1559 01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:55,759 Speaker 1: I really enjoy Sam. He's a great dude. So hopefully 1560 01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:59,720 Speaker 1: that in conversation was enlightening for you guys. Thanks for 1561 01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,920 Speaker 1: check going us out. Go to the Hunting Collective dot 1562 01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:06,400 Speaker 1: com for more of this type of conversation. You can 1563 01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,120 Speaker 1: hear from Steve Ornella. You can hear from Ryan Callahan, 1564 01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:13,560 Speaker 1: John Dudley, Charles Post. You can hear from Shane Mahoney, 1565 01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:18,400 Speaker 1: Aubrey Marcus, anybody that we've had in the first seven 1566 01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,840 Speaker 1: episodes prior to this one is there at the Hunting 1567 01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:25,240 Speaker 1: Collective dot com. They're also on iTunes and Stitcher. You 1568 01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,960 Speaker 1: can also read articles and watch videos things that I've 1569 01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:31,120 Speaker 1: been involved in, not only on the website, but also 1570 01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:35,760 Speaker 1: at Benny ob three oh one on Instagram. 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