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Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too. If you put us all together,

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Speaker 2: you get the cast of Wings.

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Speaker 3: I watch a little bit of Wings, but not much.

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Speaker 2: It was actually one of those I don't want to

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Speaker 2: say unsung because it was pretty big when it was out.

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Speaker 2: But I think in retrospect a lot of people who like,

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Speaker 2: say like Friends or something like that are missing out

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Speaker 2: on a really great show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I watched.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why it never got its hooks in

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Speaker 4: me because I did watch a little bit of it,

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Speaker 4: and the cast was great. Tony Shaloub, Stephen Webber.

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Speaker 2: Tim Daily, don't forget Tim Daley and Crystal Bernard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Tim Daily and Weber.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Stephen Webber the Man. So yeah, anyway, go watch Wings.

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Speaker 2: But that's not what we're talking about today. That's not

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Speaker 2: the point of episode. This episode is tangentially related. That's

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Speaker 2: why I brought Wings up in the first place, because

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Speaker 2: we're talking about the history of air travel, and it

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Speaker 2: was actually a lot more fascinating than I thought.

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Speaker 4: Chuck, really, because I just I'm fascinated by this constantly.

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Speaker 2: There's chunks of it that I love and am fascinated by,

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Speaker 2: but overall is a whole concept. I was I was

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Speaker 2: impressed by how fascinated I was by it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, big, you were impressed by your own fascination.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, Wow, there did it go? Josh,

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Speaker 2: you really did fascination right.

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Speaker 4: Uh So, thanks today for help with this one. And

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Speaker 4: you know, we're kind of just going to walk you

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Speaker 4: in the timeline sort of way through passenger air travel.

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Speaker 4: Uh not you know how planes work or not, plane

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Speaker 4: crashes and hijackings and stuff like that. But what was

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Speaker 4: it like from the very first moment human beings stepped

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Speaker 4: how that's changed over the years, from food to bathrooms

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Speaker 4: to smoking to like the terms we used to talk

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Speaker 4: about the people who work there, Right, So we should

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Speaker 4: probably start if we're going to talk about this to

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Speaker 4: the very first passenger airline flight, which was a flight

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Speaker 4: of one human being on January first, nineteen fourteen, from

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Speaker 4: the Saint Petersburg Tampa Airport.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Airboat Line was a company. They flew across Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 4: Three thousand people came out to watch this twenty minute flight.

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Speaker 4: The airline was around for three months, flew about twelve

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Speaker 4: hundred people. And if you're wondering how much that costs

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Speaker 4: back then, about five bucks for a one way ticket

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Speaker 4: and ten for a round.

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Speaker 2: Trip, which is a million dollars today.

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Speaker 3: To fly over Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 2: But no, but get this, at the time, it was

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Speaker 2: a two hour steamship ride or a ten hour train ride,

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Speaker 2: So a twenty minute flight was not bad. I would

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Speaker 2: have coughed up some money for that to save that time.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was more like a proving ground for

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Speaker 2: the guy who created the planes. Yeah, but that did

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Speaker 2: don't know how much it would have, like, like how

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Speaker 2: because like with a lot of things, the US government

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Speaker 4: Essentially, the first international flight was also from Florida and

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Speaker 4: this flight because this will come back. It was Aero

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Speaker 4: Marine Airways and they ran for about four years in

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Speaker 4: the early nineteen twenties in wicker plane seats, and I

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Speaker 4: was just curious, are you scared of those?

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Speaker 2: Good question. I saw a picture of them, and no,

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Speaker 3: So it's strictly wicker wheelchairs wheelchairs.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's the combination of the two, so old timing

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Speaker 3: So walking into a peer one doesn't freak you out.

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Speaker 2: No, no, okay, it makes me think I'm a promin

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Speaker 2: So, like you said, the Saint Petersburg Tampa airboat line

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Speaker 2: folded in a few months, Aeromarine Airways folded in four years.

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Speaker 2: And I mean the fact that planes had been invented

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Speaker 4: Yeah, airmail Baby. May fifteenth, nineteen eighteen is when the

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Speaker 4: first air mail flights took off, servicing at the time

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Speaker 4: we talked about it in stamp collecting, the inverted Jenny.

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Speaker 4: And it was a big success through the nineteen twenties

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they handed over the job of delivering the mail

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Speaker 2: like that's where it grew from. I just find that fascinating,

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Speaker 2: Oh totally, And I wasn't expecting to find it fascinating.

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Speaker 3: You really let yourself down, huh. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, like you said, in the nineteen twenties, they said, hey,

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Speaker 4: And this is not NonStop. There are lots of layovers

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Speaker 4: it was very exclusive.

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Speaker 4: You had to fly low because the planes weren't pressurized,

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Speaker 4: a well I was about say, if you're an aviation enthusiasts,

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Speaker 4: become aviation enthusiasts because there's nothing more fun than looking

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Speaker 4: up these old planes like the ten Goose. I don't

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Speaker 4: tri motors in my day. Sure, so it was kind

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Speaker 4: of cool. It carried twelve people and flew at one

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Speaker 4: hundred and twenty decibels decibels at takeoff.

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Speaker 2: Right, which I saw a chart, And that is louder

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Speaker 2: I just assumed they were accepting Dinosaur Junior from that.

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Speaker 2: Right, So it's still really loud, loud enough that the

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Speaker 3: Right, no diet coke.

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Speaker 2: Right, So, as you put it, flying was really awful.

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Speaker 2: the noise and the pukiness. But train travel was still

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Speaker 2: some things never changed is what I took from that.

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Speaker 2: But trains were still kind of like the way to go.

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Speaker 2: It was just flying was just so luxurious and such

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's that's still a fun thing. I think

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Speaker 3: But it's cool.

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Speaker 4: We did cloud seating for the baseball game because we

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Speaker 4: And we probably did that because our good buddy Chad

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Speaker 4: people could afford it. Planes travel wasn't really hitting it

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Speaker 4: of borrowed from steamships as far as the terminology goes, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and one reason, so yes, you have stewards that

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Speaker 2: were we call flight attendants today. But that's just like

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Speaker 2: but it did borrow a lot of terminology, and I

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Speaker 3: I did not know that, but I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 2: I found it fascinating.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but these can't to the ocean. They'll just fall

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you'd still hear it occasionally from some of

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Speaker 2: So Ellen Church, she was a pioneer, a groundbreaker. She

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Speaker 2: Because I think we talked about this in our Flight

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Speaker 4: And one thing that we didn't mention that is a huge,

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Speaker 4: got to have a good demeanor, got a good bedside manner,

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Speaker 2: To me, I find it less than reassuring. It's like, well,

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Speaker 3: You know you're overthinking it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So those were the early flight attendants, these these

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Speaker 2: The first woman pilot commercial airline pilot I could find

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Speaker 2: years later in the United States, Emily Howell Warner started

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Speaker 2: flying for Frontier and Bonnie Tobersie in the same year.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy three started flying for American and Warner

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we should point out too that Bonnie Tobersie

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Speaker 4: that was her name, right, Yep, she was a pilot

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Speaker 4: disturbs me today. Then it would disturb me even or

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Speaker 4: maybe it would have been more believable back then. But definitely,

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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to be ages. But if I see

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Speaker 4: I'm just inherently a little bit freaked out. It's probably

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Speaker 4: wrong of me, probably showing my age. I just want

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Speaker 2: Yes, but I think the ages are different. I think

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Speaker 3: Well, how would you feel?

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Speaker 4: I don't all of a sudden, I feel like I'm

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Speaker 4: worrying about that. Would do you think most people or

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Speaker 2: That if they were like the captain, Well, she was

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Speaker 3: Time, the pilot at least.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if there were other people who were older

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Speaker 2: one twenty four year old, i'd be nervous. Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: being twenty four. But there's only so much experience you

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about. It's experience.

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Speaker 4: I have nothing against twenty four year olds, but unless

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Speaker 4: they were seven, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, their child air prodigy.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, twenty four seemed young, and I just thought that

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Speaker 2: Have you realized that we haven't taken a break yet?

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Speaker 3: No, but it's a perfect time too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating.

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Speaker 4: All right, I'm gonna go think about what I've done

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Speaker 4: today and then we'll be.

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Speaker 3: Right back.

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Speaker 1: Learn and stuff with Joshua job stuff.

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Speaker 2: You shine up, so chuck. Believe it or not, we've

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Speaker 2: only made it to the nineteen thirties.

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Speaker 3: Wooh.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing really kind of started in the twenties.

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Speaker 2: And get this, so you said in nineteen twenty nine,

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Speaker 2: than a decade later, nineteen thirty eight, more than one

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Speaker 2: point two million Americans alone flew every year, So it

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Speaker 2: but it was still business travelers typically and wealthy people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and the planes, you know, and this is why

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Speaker 4: Still cost a lot of money, but it was a

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Speaker 4: the dual prop two forty seven gorgeous plane. This had

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Speaker 4: nineteen thirty three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I think you're right. I think that's

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Speaker 2: Douglas Aircraft Company came up with the DC three, which.

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Speaker 3: Is what's a niner?

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Speaker 2: It's just an air airline lingo thing cbka.

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Speaker 3: Oh I thought it meant nine, it did.

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Speaker 2: I just added it because I can't say Boeing two

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Speaker 3: Okay, But to be clear, it's not the two four

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Speaker 2: No, it's just the two four seven niner slash niner.

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Speaker 2: So you don't even have to be an airplane enthusiast

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Speaker 2: to be like, I've heard of the DC three before.

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Speaker 2: That's because by the end of the nineteen thirties, ninety

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Speaker 2: own airline that became United, basically flew with DC threes

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Speaker 4: Thankfully, the Douglas Aircraft Company gave us the DC stands

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Speaker 4: that point. And it was did you say the percentage

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Speaker 2: You bet I did. I said nine or zero percent, right.

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Speaker 4: And I found this fun little story I sent to you.

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Speaker 4: The DC three is just a gorgeous plane. And there's

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Speaker 4: their goal was for that thing to just keep it

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Speaker 4: going and so it eventually would hit one hundred year mark.

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Speaker 2: Very nice.

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Speaker 3: That's like a would you go on it?

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Speaker 2: No, okay, no, I'm not even afraid to fly. I'm

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Speaker 3: Oh it's such a beautiful plane though. I love it

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Speaker 2: So I think we've reached the end of the thirties

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Speaker 2: by now, right.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 2: And you had said at the outset that we were

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Speaker 2: we're hopping around here or there. You're right, And this

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Speaker 2: talk now about airplane bathrooms, because there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: myths around airplane bathrooms and we're going to extinguish them

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Speaker 2: with extreme prejudice.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: There were at bathrooms very very early on on airplanes,

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Speaker 4: like other things were modeled on ships and steamers. That

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Speaker 3: And it's sort of like an outhouse.

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Speaker 4: It was just a glorified bucket that someone emptied after

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Speaker 4: the sort of blue chemical water toilets that came about later.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but even after the blue chemicals were introduced, it

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Speaker 2: toilet seat. But we have a person to praise, a

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Speaker 2: is said, it's the vacuum flushed airplane toilet. No, it's

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Speaker 2: though it sounds like it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a lot of people probably think that, right.

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Speaker 2: Oh, totally in the back of my mind every time,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, eh, it's possible. Yeah, it's what it sounds like.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like it. It just opens the toilet up

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Speaker 2: an hour, That's what it seems like to me, right,

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Speaker 2: like the airbus A three eighty into that holding tank

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443
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Speaker 2: far less gross, but somebody still has to pump it

444
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: out every after every flight. And I saw that on

445
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: an average seven forty seventh flight, two hundred and thirty

446
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: gallons of sewage are produced. Oh gosh, I mean yeah,

447
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 2: at least it's not a bucket.

448
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

449
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 4: And as a as a reminder, I am so averse

450
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 4: to sounds like ambulances.

451
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 3: I plug my ears when out.

452
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: That's right, yes, yeah, including airplane bathrooms.

453
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 3: Right, it's the worst. That's just one of the sounds

454
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: my ears can't take.

455
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm interested by this now, I'll say, I'm fascinated

456
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: by this.

457
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,239
Speaker 3: Are you impressed with that?

458
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: Is it the I'm impressed that I'm fascinated by it? Yeah?

459
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I mean.

460
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 2: Is it? Is it that it's a high pitch sound.

461
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 2: Is it that it's a washing sound? Is it that?

462
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 2: What is it about that sound that you don't like?

463
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 2: And apologies to everybody who has misophonia at the whoosh sound.

464
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 4: It is super super loud, it's super super sudden and sharp,

465
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 4: and it's a super small space. So it's just it's

466
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 4: too much for me in that little space.

467
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 2: I'm with you. It is jarring. I have to remind myself, like, no, don't,

468
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 2: don't get pushed back and try to steady yourself by

469
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: putting your hand on the wall. Never touched the wall.

470
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: It is a jarring sound. I agree with you, but

471
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: it's overwhelming essentially, is what you're saying.

472
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, you can wash up.

473
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: I got you. No, I would you cut your hand

474
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: off at that point?

475
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 4: So another thing we can definitely say has not happened.

476
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 4: Another myth is that frozen blue feces and pp don't

477
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 4: have you know, don't come out of the plane and

478
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 4: kill people like at the beginning of that episode of

479
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 4: Six Feet Under. There may be frozen blue stuff, but

480
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 4: it's from a leak or something that has that freezes

481
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 4: when it hits the air. It's not actual body stuff.

482
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: Well, I think the myth is that it's purpose. I

483
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: think that leaks do happen, and chunks of ice have

484
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 2: hurt injured people before. I don't know if anybody's been

485
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: killed by it. But the other thing that can happen

486
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: is that this ice, which is they call it blue ice,

487
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 2: which is it's that sewage that's produced, like the chemicals

488
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,479
Speaker 2: and the water and the waste all combined. Yeah, it

489
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: can depending on where it happens and how what altitude

490
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: is dropped out, it can melt on the way down,

491
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: and so you can be splattered by this disgusting sewage

492
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 2: rain or have ice, you know, come through your house

493
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 2: and bash your shoulder, like happened to one poor woman

494
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: I think in Alabama or Louisiana.

495
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 3: Do you remember the did You Eat a one six

496
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 3: ft under? Right?

497
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 2: Sure? I watched the whole thing.

498
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 3: Oh okay, you remember that episode that was one of

499
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: the openers.

500
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 2: No, I don't, but I'm not surprised.

501
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 4: That it was one of those where they try and

502
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 4: they started doing it more and more, where they would

503
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 4: try and mislead you and you would think like, oh,

504
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 4: this is how that person's gonna die, and this is

505
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 4: one I can't remember what happened at the beginning, But

506
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 4: I think it's like, you think this guy is going

507
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 4: to have a heart attack or something, and then he's like,

508
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 4: I'm going to go cut the grass, and he goes

509
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 4: out in the backyard and through the kitchen window you

510
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 4: just see the blue why hit.

511
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 3: It was pretty good.

512
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: I went back and watched just the last episode again,

513
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: it's really good, but it just does not have the

514
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: same impact if you haven't watched like the whole series

515
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: leading up to it recently. Yeah, yeah, agreed, one of

516
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: the great, all time great last episodes though, for sure.

517
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 4: Totally great finale. All right, so now we're flying. We're

518
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 4: back to the timeline.

519
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 2: Okay, good, I was a rotten Meyer.

520
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 3: So we're back to World War Two.

521
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 4: During World War Two, there was a lot of obviously

522
00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 4: restrictions for military rationing of fuel, so there wasn't a

523
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 4: ton of air travel commercially during World War Two. But

524
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 4: right after that people really got into it, and nineteen

525
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 4: fifty five was finally when air travel overtook train travel

526
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 4: in the United States.

527
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and two years after that, it became more likely

528
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 2: that somebody would fly by plane to Europe than take

529
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: a steamship. So by nineteen fifty seven, air travel had

530
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: become the dominant the dominant factor in American travel.

531
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 4: New airlines were launching all over the place. There was

532
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 4: a lot of competition in trying to get customers, but

533
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 4: it was all the way until nineteen seventy eight that

534
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 4: the airlines were deregulated. So previous to that, the government

535
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 4: said what routes you could fly. I don't know if

536
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 4: they set the prices, but the prices had to be

537
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 4: the same. I'm sure they worked with the airline.

538
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: No, they set the prices well by working with the airlines,

539
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: so because they obviously couldn't bankrupt the airlines.

540
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: No, no, no, But you also said what rot they're

541
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: allowed to fly. There are also routes that they had

542
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: to fly, like cities that you would be like what

543
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: you used to fly from New York to Topeka NonStop? Yeah,

544
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 2: they used to do that because the federal government was like,

545
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: Topeka needs airplanes to come get people too. They want

546
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: to get out of there, So they made sure that

547
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 2: cities around the country were serviced that. After deregulation, that

548
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 2: was one of the first things that stopped. They're like,

549
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: we're not flying the Topeka anymore. We'll talk about deregulation

550
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: in a second, but before deregulation, because the prices of

551
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: the tickets were the same essentially across the board, the

552
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 2: way that airlines competed for business was by being like,

553
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: come aboard our airline and be treated like a king

554
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: or queen for your flight. It's going to be amazing.

555
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 3: That's right.

556
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 4: United had a literal red carpet if you were going

557
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 4: to jump on their DC seven, which was the way

558
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 4: a four prop Douglas commercial aircraft, another gorgeous plane in flight.

559
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 4: Meals were really pretty special at the time. There were

560
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 4: multi multi course dinners. I mean, nowadays the only thing

561
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 4: I fly is Delta, and I think first class is

562
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 4: the only one that has meals even I don't think

563
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 4: anyone else even gets a meal. But back then it

564
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 4: was just a lot fancier that was real silverware, which

565
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 4: they may have now, I don't know, and tablecloths and

566
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 4: stuff like that, dude. And then they also tried to,

567
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 4: you know, make the your kids feel special by giving

568
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 4: them like junior stewardess or junior pilot wings and stuff

569
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 4: like that.

570
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: The meals, like if you look up airline food of

571
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: the past or something like that. And look at old

572
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: photos there's like people in chess hats, carving like hams

573
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: and roast beef like seatside. It was amazing. Like the

574
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: kind of meals people were served. Yeah, it was just

575
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: it's nuts. And you can look at old like menus

576
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: and stuff too. It's it was a whole different ballgame.

577
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,239
Speaker 2: And that was like your ticket included that in the

578
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: in the price, and everybody on the plane got that

579
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: kind of treatment.

580
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there weren't as many people on these flights,

581
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 4: so you could afford to do food a little better,

582
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 4: not afford costwise, but it's just hard to You couldn't feed,

583
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 4: you know, four hundred people well on a plane.

584
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: Not well no, And I saw that at least in

585
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: some airlines. They would prepare these meals like an hour

586
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: before the flight and put them on and yeah, you

587
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: can't do that with four hundred, but you could with

588
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: fifty maybe.

589
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

590
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: So one of the other things that they did was

591
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: encourage smoking, like not only allowed smoking, they encouraged it.

592
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: They're like, kick back, relax and smoke some cigarettes on

593
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: your flight. And in fact, I think it was I

594
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: think it was you that gave out Chesterfield cigarettes, like exclusively.

595
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: There's like one of those fifties illustrations of a flight

596
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: attendant walking around with a carton of chester Fields just

597
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: holding it open for anybody who wants to come and

598
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: grab a complimentary pack.

599
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 3: Amazing and gross.

600
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 4: And we'll get put a pin in that because more

601
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 4: on smoking coming up, okay, because we're just going on

602
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 4: a timeline here. Since we are on that timeline still,

603
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 4: it is the nineteen fifties, air travel was booming for

604
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 4: white Americans. And I say that because while airlines themselves

605
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 4: were not segregated, a lot of the airports were, and

606
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 4: you know, especially obviously in the South, they would usher

607
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 4: black people into a different part of the airport, the

608
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 4: facilities were not as good basically all but discouraging black

609
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 4: Americans from plying. This started changing a little bit nineteen

610
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 4: forties with the Washington National was the only federally owned airport,

611
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 4: and the NAACP targeted them, you know, with protests and stuff,

612
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 4: and the government since it was a federally owned airport

613
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 4: and the only one had regulatory power, so they ended

614
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: segregation at that airport in nineteen forty eight. But you know,

615
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 4: it was all the way up until like the nineteen

616
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 4: sixties when the DOJ started suing airports in the South

617
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 4: by saying like, hey, the you know, the segregated part

618
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,719
Speaker 4: of your airport is no good and you're providing an

619
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 4: inferior service and you can't do that.

620
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw Shreveport, Louisiana had the last airport in

621
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: America to be desegregated, and that was in nineteen sixty three.

622
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: We shouldn't have mentioned that last part yet, because we

623
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: are going now to the jet age, and that really

624
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: started in the fifties.

625
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're jumping around the TIMELINEE.

626
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are, we are. So there's a discrepancy about

627
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: when the jet age exactly started. I think nineteen fifty

628
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: eight was when the first commercially available jet service really

629
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: kind of began to be widespread. But I know for

630
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: a fact that the term jet set, which related specifically

631
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: to wealthy people who flew around the world using jets,

632
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: was coined in the early fifties by society columnist Igor Cassini,

633
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: and so he either knew what was coming, or somehow

634
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: the wealthy were using other jets I guess, maybe chartering

635
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: them or something to fly around the world the fashionable parties,

636
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,239
Speaker 2: and that it wasn't until the fifties that less than

637
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 2: uber wealthy people were able to start using jet travel.

638
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 4: Is it possible that jet had an alternate meaning no?

639
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 4: So he predicted that nineteen forty eight would come along

640
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 4: with the very first jet turbine engine in the Boeing

641
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 4: seven oh.

642
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: Seven nineteen forty eight.

643
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: Fifty eight.

644
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said forty eight, So yeah, I think that

645
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: there were other jets, like there was the Havelin Comet

646
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: predated the seven oh seven. I think the seven oh

647
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: seven just made it so that you could carry more people,

648
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: which meant that ticket prices were lower, which meant that

649
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: the jet age really opened up for society at large.

650
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 4: And boy did it because that cut air travel in half. Basically,

651
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 4: the transcontinental flight from New York to London went from

652
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 4: fifteen hours to about seven on that seven oh seven,

653
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 4: and it went up with people, you know, about one

654
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,959
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty to two hundred and twenty passengers, which

655
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 4: was double what a DC seven could hold.

656
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: Up with people. The seven forty seven came along too.

657
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: That really kind of helped expand and open up the

658
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: jet travel for the average person because you could suddenly

659
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: fit five hundred people in what was known as the

660
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: Queen of the Skies, and you could fit five hundred

661
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: people into a plane and still have for some swanky,

662
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: swanky seventies lounges and bars that they used to build

663
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: in the seven forty seven.

664
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 3: Oh, my friend, when you sent me that link, I

665
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 3: love it.

666
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 4: What name the title of the article, at least so

667
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 4: people can look up those pictures.

668
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: I know that it was on Executive Traveler and it

669
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: was called Recalling the Fabulous Bars and Lounges of the

670
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: Boeing seven forty seven.

671
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 4: Looking at those pictures does something to me that I

672
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 4: can't explain.

673
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: I know exactly what to mean.

674
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 3: I don't know.

675
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: It's like the opposite of the wish of an airplane bathroom.

676
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the exact opposite. I don't know what it is.

677
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 4: That same lounge is fairly cool if it's just on

678
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 4: the ground somewhere in someone's home. But those things, seeing

679
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 4: people sitting around on those sofas and somebody playing the

680
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 4: piano while they drink Martini's, it makes me crazy, crazy jealous.

681
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know. Luckily people like Richard Branson came

682
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: along you're like, you need to get these things back

683
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: and so on. I don't know if Virgin's still around

684
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: anymore or if they are. I think they kind of

685
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: phased out some of their lounges, but there used to

686
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: be bars on Virgin's airplanes. Yeah, and I know on

687
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: Conder Air of the ways, they are known for having

688
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 2: a pretty great bar on their airplanes. I think seven

689
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: seventy sevens.

690
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I sat at one on that flight to Australia,

691
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 4: so I have seen it and partaken in that situation.

692
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: It was in the seventies though, Yeah, I mean he did.

693
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 4: A fine job for modern airplanes and what a modern

694
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 4: bar on an airplane might look like. But man, it

695
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 4: ain't nothing like those old school ones. No, those were gorgeous.

696
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: I feel you. I know exactly what you mean.

697
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was too good to be true.

698
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 4: Those would not last long because they said, hey, you

699
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 4: know what we get rid of that awesome cocktail piano

700
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 4: bar lounge up there, we can put a lot more

701
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 4: plane seats and flights will be cheaper.

702
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 3: And that was technically good for everybody.

703
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: I guess. So I think domestic flights in nineteen seventy

704
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: are about what they cost today for adjusting for inflation,

705
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: of course, But the international flights are where they really

706
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: got you. A round trip ticket from nineteen in nineteen

707
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: seventy from New York to London costs five grand. That's

708
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: just a regular regular class ticket. You can get there

709
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: today non stop on British airways for five hundred and

710
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: eighty six dollars round trip. Really, so it definitely yeah,

711
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 2: I looked it up. Their first class in some of

712
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: the airlines starts for those trips at about five grand.

713
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: But then also I think KLM has like a seventeen

714
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: thousand dollars round trip first class ticket, so it definitely varies.

715
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: But the just the regular class ticket where they put

716
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: you in a cattle car cheek to jowl by your

717
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: fellow passengers and toss you some Cheetos and say settle

718
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 2: in for nine hours. That you can do that for

719
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: five and eighty six dollars.

720
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 3: All right, not bad.

721
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 4: Frequent flyers back then in the sixties seventies were pretty

722
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 4: much men flying for business, expensing it to the company

723
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 4: and to try and get that business with the company.

724
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 4: This is when you started getting the whole idea, the

725
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 4: very outdated and misogynistic idea of like, hey, let's get

726
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 4: these Let's get some good looking ladies in there, put

727
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 4: them in little mini skirts and tell them to flirt

728
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 4: with these businessmen.

729
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: Get them drunk and flirt with them.

730
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: Tell them that quote that Dave dug up.

731
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this is from this is from a woman

732
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 4: who worked as an advertising exec in nineteen sixty seven

733
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 4: that said, when it's our businessman gets on an airplane,

734
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 4: we think he ought to be allowed to look at

735
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 4: a pretty girl for God's sake, is what I think

736
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 4: they cut off.

737
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: That was the That was just the general field, the

738
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: zeitgeist for a long time. I mean, that's not like

739
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: that went away, you know decades ago.

740
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 3: Oh no, for sure, Like, yeah, should probably take a break.

741
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: Huh yes, I think we should, chuck, I think we should.

742
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 2: So let's do that.

743
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: We'll be right back, learn and stuff with Joshua Job stuff.

744
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: You shine up.

745
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 4: So we mentioned, you know, we got to talk about smoking.

746
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 4: We mentioned these to handout packs of cigarettes literally at

747
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 4: first thos Chesterfields, and that was just a thing where

748
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 4: it was just it was looked at as this luxurious

749
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 4: activity to sit back and smoke on a plane and

750
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 4: just relax with your cigarette. And they encouraged smoking, like

751
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 4: all the way up through the seventies, and it was

752
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 4: a real problem for flight attendants, especially working. You know,

753
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 4: there are reports and we may have even talked about

754
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 4: this in the Flight Attendant episode where they couldn't even

755
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 4: like see from one end of the plane to the

756
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 4: other sometimes it was so thick with smoke.

757
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and jumping ahead in time, there was actually a

758
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 2: class section lawsuit from American flight attendant it's not American Airlines,

759
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: American like the United States. Yeah, the three hundred million

760
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: dollar settlement from the tobacco industry because they've been exposed

761
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: to cigarette smoke, whether they smoked or not. Some of

762
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 2: them developed lung cancer from it and other maladies. And

763
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: they won that, I think in nineteen ninety seven. But

764
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: the reason that they won that in nineteen ninety seven

765
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: is because they've been inhaling that from since the thirties essentially,

766
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 2: but it really started to get bad. It seemed like

767
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: it from the fifties to the seventies.

768
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure.

769
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 4: And if we're going on our timeline here, smoking sections

770
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 4: came about in nineteen seventy one, which is, as Emily

771
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 4: always says, that's like having a no peeing section in.

772
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: A pool not very effective.

773
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 4: And then beyond the smoke, people hanging their cigarettes out

774
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 4: in the aisle, flight attends are literally getting burned like

775
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 4: cigarette burns on the rag. Finally, in nineteen eighty seven, California,

776
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 4: of course, said hey, if you're flying within our state,

777
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 4: you're not smoking. In nineteen ninety federal regulation said no

778
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 4: smoking if it's a six hour flight or less domestic flight,

779
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 4: but if you're going for Miami to Seattle, you deserve

780
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 4: to light up. And then Delta and God all the

781
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 4: way into nineteen ninety five was the very first airline

782
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 4: to say no more smoking.

783
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: Ever.

784
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was among the last I smoked on an

785
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: airplane legitimately, and I think it was in nineteen ninety five.

786
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 3: I love that story. It's very great.

787
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, this is the smoking section. It's

788
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: just some seats that are designated for the smokers to

789
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: sit and there's no partition or anything like that. Yeah,

790
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: it's weird looking back in retrospect, it's weird. But also

791
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: one of the things that I didn't realize is that

792
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 2: still today you'll see ashtrays on airplanes, and before it

793
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: was like, oh, Okay, those are old airplanes and these

794
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: are the ash trays from yesteryear, but you'll still see

795
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: them on brand new airplanes. And the reason why is

796
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: federal law to have an ash tray near the bathroom

797
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 2: because even though you're not supposed to smoke on a plane,

798
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: they want you to be able to put one out

799
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: if you are the jerk who tries it anyway.

800
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you don't cause a danger.

801
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, because a fire on an airplane is not good.

802
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

803
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: And I know I mentioned it on past episodes, but

804
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 4: I did take one flight, a smoking flight to Europe

805
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 4: in I think ninety six or so, so internationally they

806
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 4: were still smoking and it was just awful.

807
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. This was to Amsterdam on KLM and I think

808
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five that I smoked, and I smoked a lot.

809
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: Mine was too, buddy.

810
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 2: I really took full advantage of it because I knew

811
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: it was in the air, that this is this is it,

812
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 2: it was gonna it was going away, so I better

813
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: smoke them while I got them.

814
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, I smoked the occasional cigarette back then,

815
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 4: but I don't know, I didn't have any desire to

816
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 4: smoke on the plane.

817
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm sorry if I blew you out with

818
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: the smoke. No, no, no, that is what a jerk move.

819
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 2: That is.

820
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 4: We were not on the same flight, but I did

821
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 4: fly to Amsterdam as well, but I didn't smoke cigarettes

822
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 4: on that flight anyway.

823
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: Food, yeah, because I mentioned that the like food was

824
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 2: like like there would be a guy with a chef's

825
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: hat carving ham next to your seat. It was like that.

826
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: It wasn't always like that. They kind of came along

827
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 2: in the Golden Age and the I think the thirties,

828
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: the fifties really to the seventies. It started out that way,

829
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: but that was back when you had six passengers. So

830
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: they would make like a mignon of veal and Russian

831
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: sauce on a DC three for United. They more often

832
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: than not, I think, feed you during a refueling stop,

833
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: because you mentioned how long it takes to get to

834
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 2: Europe and the turboprop plane. That's not just the flying time,

835
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: that's like landing and refueling time, and so they would

836
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: often like set up tables in the hangar whatever and

837
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 2: feed you like a pretty good meal while you were

838
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 2: waiting for the refueling. That happened more often than feeding

839
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: you a good meal in the early days on the plane.

840
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, Pan American airlines would come along and

841
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 4: develop that.

842
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: I know we talked about this on some episode.

843
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 4: They kind of predated the TV dinner and TV dinners

844
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 4: kind of came from these airline meals where they had

845
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 4: a little frozen meal and the little partition tray, and

846
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 4: that was in nineteen forty six, and the TV dinners

847
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 4: came along in the fifties.

848
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 3: But we mentioned that deregulation.

849
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 4: In seventy eight, Jimmy Carter signed that bill deregulating the

850
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 4: US airline industry, and that that's when everything changed because

851
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 4: for the first first time you have this price competition,

852
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 4: and they were like, we can't afford this stuff. We're

853
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 4: not going to start giving you know, we're not going

854
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 4: to give out great food anymore. And you know it

855
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 4: wasn't great but hot food.

856
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: They made the decision that people wanted cheaper tickets and

857
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: less frills, that they valued a less expensive ticket than

858
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: the experience of flying.

859
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 3: I was one of those people, by the way, I mean, they're.

860
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, like people do value that, but at the time,

861
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 2: there weren't really like budget air carriers. That's not true.

862
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 3: There were.

863
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: There was one I hadn't heard of called Laker Airways.

864
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: Freddie Lake, a rich British guy, founded it and it

865
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: was actually the world's first budget airfare airline. It predated

866
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: Frontier and everybody. But for the most part, like these

867
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: were like the major carriers who now were competing with

868
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 2: other carriers who like It was just a huge, huge

869
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: shakeup in the business. And what's funny is some of

870
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: the biggest airlines were like, we don't want deregulation. It's

871
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: going to do all sorts of terrible things. People are

872
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: going to stop flying to k mark my words, I

873
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 2: read like an editorial ad that it's like the kind

874
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: that had a cartoon, like an editorial cartoon and like

875
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: an article. But it was an ad taken out by

876
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 2: Delta arguing against the regulation. And one of the things

877
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: they predicted was that it would lead to airline consolidation,

878
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 2: fewer choices, and in the end, higher ticket prices. And

879
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: it turns out Delta was right. It just took a

880
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 2: few decades because at first ticket prices went down, competition increased,

881
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: there were more airlines that came out of nowhere, and

882
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: entered the market and the consumer won out for a while.

883
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: But then over time, as frills were cut more and

884
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: more and the airlines looked to cut costs more and more,

885
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: air travel just kind of became the living nightmare that

886
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 2: it is today. Yeah, thanks to Jimmy Carter. I mean

887
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: that was implied, but I just wanted to say it.

888
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 3: Well, I mean he signed the bill, who pushed it through?

889
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: Do you know that?

890
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: Rosalind?

891
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: Okay?

892
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 4: Now, I remember even at the time, and still I'm like,

893
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 4: I just want to get somewhere.

894
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: I don't.

895
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 4: I mean, if it's a really really long flight, I

896
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 4: can appreciate the inflight service, but otherwise I'm like, just

897
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 4: make it cheaper and just get us there and leave

898
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 4: me alone. But what I think doesn't happen is they're

899
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 4: not like, all right, we're going to cut out the

900
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 4: in flight service and you won't believe how cheap the

901
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 4: tickets are going to be. They would just be like, okay,

902
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 4: now more for us exactly.

903
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: That was the knock on effective deregulation, and I ultimately

904
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 2: became a disservice to the customer and ended up serving

905
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 2: the airlines much more handsomely.

906
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,479
Speaker 3: You ever have a bisk Off butter.

907
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have, just straight out of the jar on

908
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: a spoon. Mm hm, yes, I have. I like it,

909
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: but I think I've had one too many bisk cough cookies.

910
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: I can't eat them on the airplane anymore. I love them,

911
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: They're good, but I just can't have them though. I'll

912
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: tell you what I like. Are those little mustard pretzels?

913
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: Mmm? I don't like those.

914
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 2: Oh well, I'll trade you my book off for your

915
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: mustard pretzels any day.

916
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 4: We're great seat mates, just cause book a cigarette in

917
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 4: the back of the plane. So we're going to finish

918
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 4: up with a couple of quick bits here in flight entertainment.

919
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 4: That air Marine Airlines that we mentioned at the beginning

920
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 4: that was said to put a pin in the first

921
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 4: international flight from Key West to Cuba. They were the

922
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 4: very first airline to show a movie too, because in

923
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 4: nineteen twenty one they put up a sheet at the

924
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 4: front of the cabin and put up a put up

925
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 4: a projector and screened how Do Chicago for all eleven passengers.

926
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 2: And I was like, why would they show a movie

927
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: called Howdy Chicago? Which turns out to be a short

928
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: promotional film for the city of Chicago on a flight

929
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: from Key West to Cuba. And it turns out it

930
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: was not a flight to key West to Cuba. It

931
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: was a flight around Chicago. So the whole thing was

932
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: kind of like a promotional thing. But that was the

933
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 2: first thing flight movie.

934
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 3: But still the same airline.

935
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, same airline they were. They suddenly ended up in

936
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: Chicago somehow.

937
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotcha.

938
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 2: And also, hold on, I want to correct myself real quick.

939
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: I said the first discount airline was Laker Airways. That's

940
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 2: actually not true. The very first discount airline was Pacific

941
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 2: Southwest Airlines, which started flying cut rate seats in nineteen

942
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 2: forty nine.

943
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 3: And is that what Southwest Airs is today?

944
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: I couldn't find that that's the case.

945
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 3: Now, Okay, so not the same company, No.

946
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: I think Southwest kind of was built out of scratch

947
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: by a couple of Dallas oil meneh Okay.

948
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 4: In sixty one twa good old Transworld Airlines was the

949
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 4: first to offer in flight movies.

950
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 3: This was.

951
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 4: I sort of remember these when they would just show

952
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 4: the movie on a screen, a single screen.

953
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody watched the same movie together. It was kind

954
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: of cool in that way.

955
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 4: It was kind of cool, and you know, depending on

956
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 4: where you were, you could either see it or not

957
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 4: see it. And then in the sixties is when they

958
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 4: had the little overhead and I remember these too, the

959
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 4: little overhead screens, not in the seatback that they were

960
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 4: just up above you where the air conditioner and the

961
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 4: light was.

962
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

963
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: I totally remember that as well. Again, it was a

964
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 2: communal thing, like people would laugh out. It was like

965
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 2: watching a movie in a theater, but on a plane. Yeah,

966
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: I liked it. One of the things that was noteworthy

967
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: about it, though, Chuck, is that you if you look

968
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: at old pictures of people watching movies on planes, they

969
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 2: look like they all have stethoscopes in their ears.

970
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 3: I remember those.

971
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: I do too, And I was like, why do I

972
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: remember that? It's because so these are these are sound

973
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: delivered through pneumatic tubes. It's not an electronic signal by

974
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: any means. It's just basically an echo that you're hearing

975
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 2: of the sound being broadcast through tubes that you're connected into.

976
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: Delta didn't phase those out until two thousand and three.

977
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: I remember them.

978
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't that long ago. And the little screen

979
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 4: would fold down from the ceiling yep, and if you

980
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 4: pinch that tube, the sound would go away.

981
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: I don't remember that part.

982
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, you pinched the tube of your seat mate just

983
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 3: to get at him.

984
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't remember that at all. Maybe you're

985
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: not such a great seat made after that.

986
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 5: Oh, eight eighty eight was when the seatback screens finally

987
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 5: came around with Northwest Airlines and Wi Fi in two

988
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 5: thousand and three.

989
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 4: I believe it was British Airways and Luftanza were the

990
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 4: first to give you Wi Fi. And now people are

991
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 4: so so spoiled by all of that.

992
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also it's evolved from the seatback screen to

993
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 2: your tablet now, Like I've been on fights where it's

994
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: like we don't have the screen, So you better have

995
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: a tablet because right the way you're watching a movie

996
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: pal and I man, I'll throw a temper tantrum and

997
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: get kicked off a plane for that.

998
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 3: You don't bring a dumb tablet on a plane, No, Josh.

999
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: Clark, they show me the movies Chuck just before we

1000
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: finish here. Do you remember there's some defunct airlines? Do

1001
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: you remember Hooter Air? No, you don't remember Hooters Air?

1002
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 3: I don't think so. Was it the restaurant, yes, but like.

1003
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: An airline, and it flew to date. I think the

1004
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: hub was Daytona Beach appropriately enough. Of course I never

1005
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 2: flew it, but I was aware of it.

1006
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 3: And I'm sure the flight attendants wore that outfit.

1007
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, like they could have just have stepped out

1008
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: of a Hooters. They wore the exact same outfit from

1009
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 2: what I remember.

1010
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh, you actually flew on it.

1011
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't. Okay, I said I was aware

1012
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: of it, and sorry, it was out of Myrtle Beach,

1013
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: not Daytona Beach. I was way off.

1014
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 4: Oh okay, you know that does ring a little bit

1015
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 4: of a bell now that I think about it. And

1016
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 4: then earlier I remember the I think the first African

1017
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 4: American flight attendant worked for Mohawk Airline and she I

1018
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 4: remember Mohawk from Madmen.

1019
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, I knew that sounded familiar somehow.

1020
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1021
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 2: And then there was also value Jet you remember them?

1022
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure, I flew with Value Jet a lot.

1023
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 4: And of course Eastern Airlines that was a very big

1024
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 4: airline when we were kids.

1025
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there was a I cannot, for the life

1026
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: of me remember the name, which is sad because It

1027
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: was the first airline I was loyal with, and I

1028
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: think it might have been it might have been air Tran,

1029
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: which used to be Value Jet. It was air Tran, Yeah.

1030
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 3: I remember air Tran.

1031
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: They used to give you like a free like one

1032
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: way leg for like every four or five times you flew.

1033
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 2: It was astounding. It was the best loyalty program around.

1034
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: You would get upgraded at the drop of a hat,

1035
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: like in like everybody was super friendly. It was so great,

1036
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: and I think Delta absorbed them at some point. I

1037
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 2: think probably like the last fifteen twenty years, and air

1038
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: Trend went away. It was very sad for me.

1039
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 4: Well, we are Delta loyalists, not to give them free advertising.

1040
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 4: But aside from my wrinkle before the Orlando show, they've

1041
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 4: always done right by me. But you know, shout out

1042
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 4: to Spirit in Frontier and Alaska Airlines and all the

1043
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 4: other smaller airlines because Jet Blue. I flew a lot

1044
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 4: of Jet Blue flights. Are they still around.

1045
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: We've been on them. I don't know. I don't know.

1046
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 2: I want to shout out one more though, too. Midwest

1047
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 2: was a beloved airline out of think Milwaukee, and one

1048
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: of the greatest things about Midwest was that after the

1049
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 2: in flight meal, they would bake their chocolate chip cookies,

1050
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: and so the whole plane would fill with the smell

1051
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: of the most delicious chocolate chip cookies you've ever had

1052
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 2: in your life. They were so good. Yeah, and they

1053
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 2: went away. I can't remember who they merged with, but

1054
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: they very quickly were They did away with the cookies.

1055
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: They're like no costs Marry.

1056
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 4: That tracks with my in laws, step and Charon have

1057
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 4: a story about a first class flight they took back

1058
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 4: in the day from Ohio where they baked the cookies.

1059
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 3: So it must have been Midwest.

1060
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 2: Well. The cool thing about Midwest is the whole thing

1061
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 2: was all one class. They had huge leather seats, the

1062
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 2: whole plane was that love. Everybody was treated like first

1063
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: class on Midwest.

1064
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 3: I love it.

1065
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1066
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 3: Down with the whatever what would you call that?

1067
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 2: The cattle cars?

1068
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 3: No, just classism, oh, classism.

1069
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 4: Class classism, like everybody the same charge, everybody, the same charge,

1070
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 4: everyone two hundred dollars to go anywhere.

1071
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: But give everybody first class treatment. That's that's the caveat.

1072
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 4: Flying was still fairly reasonable up until I feel like

1073
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 4: you mean cost wise, Yeah, I feel like before COVID

1074
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 4: you could still get some pretty good deals. And then, boy,

1075
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 4: I think its just went berserk because I don't know,

1076
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 4: the airline industry got hit so hard.

1077
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 3: But is it also greedflation? I have no idea.

1078
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: I would say probably yes. I think the answer to

1079
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: most times you say is a greedflation is probably yes. Okay, Well,

1080
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 2: since I said that and Chuck laughed, of course, everybody,

1081
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: that means I just inadvertently triggered and stepped right into

1082
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 2: listener mail.

1083
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a very sweet one from Lou.

1084
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 4: We're thinking of Blue right now because Lou, in real time,

1085
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 4: this is just a few days ago, lost his childhood

1086
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 4: cat of twenty years. Even though she was old, I

1087
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 4: knew she wouldn't live forever. Doesn't make it any easier.

1088
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 4: When I got the news, my girlfriend was out that evening,

1089
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 4: so I was all alone to process it. After some

1090
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 4: crying and looking through old photos of Toots by the

1091
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 4: name is the Cat's name, I decided to seek out

1092
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 4: some comforting voices and resume your episode on Dumb Criminals.

1093
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 3: So it was good for something. Guys.

1094
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 4: I can't stress how much listening to the two of

1095
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 4: you joke around and chat about these daft stories helped

1096
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 4: cheer me up. At the start of the episode, one

1097
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 4: of you even said that you both had a tough

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Speaker 4: week and you needed something silly, and listening to that

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Speaker 4: app really helped cheer me up. You guys also helped

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Speaker 4: me when my grandparents died within a few days of

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Speaker 4: one another years ago. When I listened to your episode

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Speaker 4: on how death works and in a weird way, it

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Speaker 4: really helped me come to terms with what happened. We've

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Speaker 4: heard about the death episode in grief a lot over

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Speaker 4: the years, so we're proud of those. Hearing you guys

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Speaker 4: discuss and explain death intelligently and an easy to digest way,

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Speaker 4: intersperse with moments of levity and seriousness when appropriate really

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Speaker 4: helped me at the time. So I wanted to say

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Speaker 4: thank you. You guys mean a lot to a lot

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Speaker 4: of people. All the best and that is from Lou.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, thanks, Lou, appreciate it. Sorry to hear about Toots.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Lou did not include pictures of Toots initially,

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Speaker 4: and I said, Lou, you got to send me some photos.

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Speaker 4: And Toots was a beautiful, beautiful, silly little girl.

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Speaker 2: Toots.

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Speaker 4: There's one of Toots kick back in a chair with

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Speaker 4: on the couch.

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Speaker 3: Awesome kind of sitting up straight. It was very very cute.

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Speaker 2: Well, Rip Toots and thanks again to Lou for emailing us.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to be like Lou, you can

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Speaker 2: send us an email to Stuff Podcasts at iHeartRadio dot com.

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