1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful teen girl with 2 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: the cognitive ability the mind of a seven year old child. 3 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: Caitlin Benjamin Olsen is beautiful on the outside in the 4 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: inside as well. But what you may not know by 5 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: looking at this gorgeous, young, redheaded teen is that she 6 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: is vastly cognitively disabled. When you hear her talk, when 7 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: you communicate with her, when you try to text her, 8 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: email her, you know that she is speaking or trying 9 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: to type with a mind of a seven year old child. 10 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: And now this teen girl with the mind of a 11 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: seven year old has been kidnapped. Imancy Grace, this is 12 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at 13 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: Fox Nation and series XM one eleven. Think about it. 14 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: This is the equivalent of a seven year old girl 15 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: being kidnapped, but she's in the body of a teen. 16 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: Please help us find Caitlin. The tipline is nine one 17 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: zero six seven seven fifty five fourteen repeat nine one 18 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: zero six seven seven five five one four. And to 19 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: make it even worse, we have very strong suspicions based 20 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: in fact that her kidnapper, a grown male that I 21 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: met about fifty five is using her or trying to 22 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: use her not only for sex, but to get her 23 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: Social Security payments. Somewhere, this little girl is being held 24 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: for sex and her kidnapper is trying to get his 25 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: mits on her social Security disability. Thank you for being 26 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: with us. First of all, take a listen to Rona Black. 27 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: Caitlin Benjamin Olsen is a nineteen year old from Cumberland County, 28 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: North Carolina. She's not been seen since February fifth. Caitlyn 29 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: is believed to be with an unidentified man who she 30 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: met on a social media platform. Caitlin's disappearance is extremely concerning, though, 31 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: and her family noted that Caitlyn has developmental disabilities and 32 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: likely did not fully understand what the man's intentions were 33 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: when they were communicating, despite Caitlin having a documented history 34 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: of cognitive disabilities. Caitlin's family claims that local law enforcement 35 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: do not appear very motivated to find answers that could 36 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: lead to bringing Caitlin home safely. There have been a 37 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: few local news reports, but no repeat coverage of Caitlin's 38 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: case locally. Why because she looks like a teen girl, 39 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: She looks like she's eighteen or nineteen, Her mind is 40 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: that of a seven year old child. Think about your child. 41 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: I'm imagining John David and Lucy at age seven being 42 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: kidnapped hell somewhere like this girl is being held. Can 43 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: you imagine what her mother, her family is going through. 44 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: And according to them, local police are like, huh, she's eighteen, 45 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: she can do what she wants. No, she's not mentally 46 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: eighteen years old. And there is a cognitive proof of 47 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: that created by neurologists that have studied her and placed 48 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: her brain, her development at that of a first grader. Again, 49 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thanks for being 50 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and series XM one 51 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: eleven with me an all star panel to make sense 52 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: of what we know right now. Ronad Black is with us. 53 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: She's a victim's advocate, owner of jury File, a true 54 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: crime podcast and investigative research website. You can find her 55 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: at juryfile dot com. Greg Smith Special Guests joining us, 56 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: Special Deputy Sheriff joining us out of Johnson County and 57 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: you can find him at Kelsey's Army dot com. Karen 58 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: Stark were now in New York Psychologists joining us out 59 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: of Manhattan today. You can find her at Karen Stark 60 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: dot com. That's Karen with a CE Kathleene Murphy. They 61 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: first brought our attention to this case. High profile family 62 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: lawyer out of North Carolina at NC Domestic Law dot 63 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: com and special guest joining us. This is Caitlin's mother 64 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: joining us, Lisa Benjamin. Lisa, thank you for being with us. 65 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. When did you first realize Caitlin 66 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: was gone? I heard a noise around two thirty. I 67 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: didn't think anything of it. That was two thirty in 68 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: the morning on the fifth. I didn't think anything of 69 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: it because the girls have a bed that has slots, 70 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: like wooden slots on it, and they were always fixing 71 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 1: it because they were always separating. Her and her sister 72 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: shared a platform bed, and I didn't go and check 73 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: because this is the only time that I've never gone 74 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: and checked their bedroom. And then at seven thirty in 75 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: the morning, my youngest daughter will up and said that 76 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: her I said, what's wrong because she was sitting on 77 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: the couch weird. I didn't think anything about I said 78 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: what's wrong. She goes, Oh, my windows open and it 79 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: was very windy that night, so I thowt it just 80 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: blew off their storm window. I had left their window. 81 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: The storm window open and it blew the screen window off, 82 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: and I didn't even pay attention. I thought the bathroom 83 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: door was shut, and I thought that's where Katie was. 84 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: And when I walked by, it was open, and that's 85 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: when we noticed she was gone. I immediately called the police. Guys, 86 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: take a listen now to our physic crime online dot com. 87 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: Kaitlyn Benjamin Olson is nineteen years old. Her mother, Lisa Benjamin, 88 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: says Kaitlyn is very outgoing, friendly, talks to anybody. Caitlyn 89 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: looks like your typical nineteen year old. She has Hayes eyes, 90 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: strawberry blonde hair, and wears glasses. Her mother says that 91 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: despite her age and appearance, she has the mentality of 92 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: someone much younger. She's mentally disabled and she has the 93 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: mind of a seven year old. In the first week 94 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: of February, Kaitlyn and r twenty one year old brother 95 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: met a man at their local family Dollar store in Fayette, 96 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: North Carolina. Straight out to Greg Smith, special Deputy Sheriff 97 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: joining us out of Johnson County Sheriff's Office in Kansas. Greg, again, 98 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. It's bringing to mind 99 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: the case of Cherish perry Winkle, the little I think 100 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: seven or eight year old girl that went missing from 101 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: a huge superstore I believe it was a Walmart or 102 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: Target superstore. How often and we're seeing it more and 103 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: more that predators are hunting. Essentially, they're victims and Family 104 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: Dollar or Family General, the Walmart, the Target, and they 105 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: find them, they make contact there and the next thing 106 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: you know, the child is missing. Yeah, it's becoming a trend. 107 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: Usually there's some kind of contact over or social media 108 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: or an app or something like that where some type 109 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: of rapport is set up between the victim and the predator, 110 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: and then the final part of that is, Hey, why 111 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: don't you meet me at next place? And it can 112 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: be very simple, right Greg Smith, Like in Cherish Periwinkle's case, 113 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: the purp met the mother, cherished, his mother and her 114 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: little sisters I believe at a Dollar General or Family Dollar. 115 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: They then moved to Jacue was at a Target or 116 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: a Walmart super Walmart superstore and we're shopping together waiting 117 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: for his wife to show up. And at some point, 118 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: after about an hour or two shopping for the girls 119 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: school clothes, one of the girls was saying, Oh, I'm 120 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: hungry mom, and they had to McDonald's, as I recall, 121 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: at the front of the Walmart superstore in the Walmart 122 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: and he went, Hey, why don't I go get the 123 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: girls from Cheeseburgers And Mom said okay, because it's all 124 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: in the same building. And he walked right out the 125 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: door with Cherish Perrywinkle rape, sodomized her and murdered her 126 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: just like that. We see it over and over where people. 127 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: Predators are making contact in these stores. Yeah, it's I mean, 128 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: you're right, Nancy, it's one of these things that's becoming 129 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 1: a trend. And you know, these predators present themselves as 130 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: you know, mister knives guy, and I say mister, because 131 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: it's almost always a guy, you know, and hey, I'm 132 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: here to help. And Greg Smith. What's amazing about this 133 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: is that at the Family Dollar they have awesome surveillance 134 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: video and we actually have a shot of the guy 135 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: that Caitlin met that day. To Lisa Benjamin, this is 136 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: Caitlin's mom, Lisa, who if anyone was with Caitlin that day, 137 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: her brother c Um he's twenty one, so she was 138 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: a company. She was not by herself, No, she was 139 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: with him Spring breakers and parents beware the disappearance of 140 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: honor student Natalie Holloway is a warning we had to 141 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: Aruba with Natalie's mob. What can we learn Nancy Grace's 142 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: shocking new investigation streaming now only on Fox Nation. Sign 143 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: up today Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Joining me right now. 144 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: Is ron A black victim advocate on Jury File tin 145 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: crime podcast. You can find her at juryfile dot com. 146 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: Rona described to me the area where is the family 147 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: the family dollar so there, it's quite close to their 148 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: family's home. See Caitlin's family's home there in Fayetteville, North Carolina. Um, 149 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: and I believe it's Lisage, just like less than less 150 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: than a couple of miles away there, right, It's like 151 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: I walked to it every every day I have to 152 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: go shopping with my walker. It's like less than five 153 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: feet away, like maybe ten maybe ten feet. You have 154 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: to cross a double laned highway between two grass stations. 155 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: It's right off of eighty seven. Kathleen Murphy joining us, 156 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: high profile lawyer out of North Carolina. What do you know, 157 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy? So, Nancy, I came across the story on 158 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: a Facebook page and I was very disheartened to hear, 159 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: so I looked a little bit into it and reached 160 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: out to your producer because nobody was covering the stories. 161 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: And I have a lot of concerns when I read it, 162 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: because this child has well, this young girl has been 163 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: missing since February fifth. I don't hear a lot of 164 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: feedback or commentary from the police department, and apparently there 165 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: is some information out there on Instagram, and I've got 166 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: to know what that information is and what the police 167 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: have from her Instagram's been a really interesting Kathleen Murphy 168 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: that the media is not focusing on Kate on story? 169 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: Why all right? Why is it because she's mentally disabled? 170 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: Is because she looks like a teen girl, but in 171 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: her mind she's seven year old and nobody wants to 172 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: talk about that. What's the problem. I think it's a 173 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: very difficult area that they live in. It's in say it, well, 174 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, and that's a military talent, what 175 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: does that have to do with anything? Lots of changing people, 176 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: and so sometimes a story can get covered and show 177 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: no interest because the people who may have been interested 178 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: in it got shipped off or got relocated. But the 179 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: media is still there. The media hasn't changed. What about it, 180 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: Lisa Benjamin, I gotta I gotta say. The first night 181 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: they aired it at eleven o'clock on the news. The 182 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: next day there was also an infant missing from the area, 183 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: so it was going back and forth for Katie, Katie 184 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: and this infant that was missing, which they did find, 185 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: and that was it. That was it. It was one whole, 186 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: like half of the morning until noontime covered on and 187 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: I looked for days and days after on the same channel. 188 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: It was Channel seventeen News here, so they want to 189 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: cover the Kete baby but not the many handicapped teen girl. 190 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: Is that it? Yeah, it was basically how it went 191 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: down on the news. That's how it went down. Guys. 192 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our investigative reporter Dave Matt joining 193 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: us from Crime Online. Caitlyn's mother, Lisa Benjamin, say she 194 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: believes the man her daughter went to meet at the 195 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: family Dollar store was a man she met on Instagram. 196 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: The only thing Lisa knows about the man is his 197 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: first name, Chris. The Cumberland County Sheriff's Office has publicized 198 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: a surveillance photo from that meeting in hopes of identifying him. 199 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: Caitlin's mother says the man is not known to them. 200 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: He appears to be about sixty five years old. Lisa 201 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: says that man and the photo, he's not related to us. 202 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: He is unknown. She goes on to say that she 203 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: believes the man made promises to her daughter, saying he 204 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: coached her out of her bedroom window. My child has 205 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: never ran away before, never tried to do this, coached her, 206 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: lured her out off her bedroom window. Rona Black, do 207 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: you agree with that, with the fact that he lured her? Yes, 208 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: well absolutely, I mean who couldn't agree with that fact 209 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: she has the mind of a seven year old child. 210 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: He's a grown man who is talking to people that 211 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: you and I both know obviously are talking to her 212 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: knowing that she's a seven year old in her mind, 213 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: So he knew what he was doing. And the fact that, um, 214 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: there is there's obvious movement on her social security income. 215 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: Um we we know that what what's he is? Um 216 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: we believe that who wherever Caitlin is right now, someone 217 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: is trying to interfere with her social security disability Guys 218 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: speaking of luring a young girl from home, and then 219 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: somehow police act like it's the girl's fault. Let me 220 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: remind everyone of Nicole Lovell. Just a precious little I 221 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: think she was twelve or thirteen years old, lured out 222 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: of her home and Blacksburg, Virginia by a superstar. Had 223 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: been valedictorian at his high school. Was this I recall 224 00:15:54,760 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: and engineering major at Virginia Tech. And he basically wanted 225 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: to have sex with a twelve year old girl. He 226 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: lured her out of her home that night, said he 227 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: was going to marry her, take her away, start a 228 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: family with her, how he loved her. Her body was 229 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: found completely naked, thrown by the side of the road 230 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: she had been. Her body had been wiped down with 231 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: like lightsol whites to get rid of any evidence. He 232 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: lured this little girl to her death. Karen start, You 233 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: and I worked that case together, the case of the 234 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: Virginia Tech student. And what was so amazing is that 235 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: the perp, David Eisenhower, had a friend from home. I 236 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember her, and she helped him 237 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 1: disposed of the body. She also was a student at 238 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: Virginia Tech. Do you remember this luring the little girl out. 239 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: Natalie Keepers was the co defendant and together they lured 240 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: this little girl much the way you hear of Katie 241 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: Caitlin Benjamin Olsen being lured out of her bedroom. They 242 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: lured Nicole Lovell out and they murdered her. Now, while 243 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: you're hearing from ronand Black that we believe the perp 244 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: in this case is trying to hone in on Caitlin's disability, 245 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: her mentally handicapped disability money. To me, that's a sign 246 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: that she may very well still be alive and he's 247 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: trying to get those checks. But luring a child out 248 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: is that's been around since day one, Karen start Oh, 249 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: and so many story worries like that and having people 250 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: friends be accompliced, you know, convincing them to be part 251 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: of the nefarious act that they're about to commit. And 252 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: what you get from the story Nancy is the same 253 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: as what you're describing, because she does have developmental delay, 254 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: she's seven mentally, and I am quite sure he picked 255 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: up on that and was going to take advantage of her. 256 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: So it's ruthless. It's ruthless and shocking that it's not 257 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: being covered more because this is une despicable. You can 258 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: only hope that she's okay. Greg Smith I'm shocked that 259 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: local media and local police reportedly are treating this as 260 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: if it is Caitlin's fault that she laughed. Well, I 261 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: can't say that. I'm really surprised about the media response. 262 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of us things where in less 263 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: um there's a there's a person that's just constantly in 264 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: the media space trying to get that information out there. Um, 265 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: they tend to, you know, not cover these things. It's 266 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: not sensational enough, there's not enough wild fact. Well, I 267 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: don't know what's more. What's more upsetting than luring what 268 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: looks to be a teen girl with beautiful red hair 269 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,239 Speaker 1: out of her bedroom window, knowing that she has the 270 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: mind of a seven year old child. Greg Smith, do 271 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: you think there's a possibility he is passing her off 272 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: somewhere as his own daughter or niece or relative. Certainly 273 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: a possibility. Nancy um that that would be probably the 274 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,239 Speaker 1: most logical thing to do, particularly since it sounds like 275 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: he's trying to get the money from her fibility checks. 276 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: He is the worst of the worst guys. We have 277 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: good news and bad news. Take listen to investigative reporter 278 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: Dave Matt from Crime Online Kaitlin Benjamin Olsen was last 279 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: seen wearing blue pajama bottoms and a black Grays Creek 280 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: High School hoodie. Kaitlyn has never run away from home before, 281 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: and her mother believes she was lured out her bedroom 282 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: window by an older man named Chris that Kaitlin met 283 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: on Instagram. Law enforcement believes the man made arrangements to 284 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: meet Kaitlyn in person, and her mother believes he made 285 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: promises to Kaitlyn to convince her to leave with him, 286 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: knowing Caitlyn took her cellphone. Law enforcement told her mother 287 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: that Caitlin's cellphone pinged in Miami, Florida on February seventh 288 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: or February eighth, and in Orlando, Florida on February fifteenth. 289 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: The good knees of their friend is still working in pinging. 290 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: We think, what do I make of that? I mean, 291 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: go with me, paddle and again, Padle. This ain't no 292 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: tea party. Jump in. We're trying to find this girl. 293 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: If you've got a thought, now's the time I think 294 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: you took her to Disney. I really do, Orlando, Where 295 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: would you take a child to make it happy and 296 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: stay with you and blend in very well? Put Disney Orlando. 297 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: I would get right down there and start pulling the 298 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: video surveillance. I mean that whole place is covered in 299 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: video surveillance. Disney's awesome about that for February fifteenth, and 300 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: is jumping in Rona here. I'd like to also chime 301 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: in on this very important fact Katie. There are these 302 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: kings are popping up in locations where Katie and her 303 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: family had already previously talked about going as a family 304 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: two weeks before. Wow, tell me about that, Lisa Benjamin, 305 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: what we were thinking about giving up our house and 306 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: getting a camper and traveling, and we were asking all 307 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: the kids where would you like to go? And two 308 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: places Katie mentioned were Disney and Louisiana from Morti Grass 309 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: and that's what was just happening in Louisiana was Mardi Grass. 310 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: And when she first pained, I asked the detectives, are 311 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: you going to go down there? They're like, no, to 312 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: be a waste of our time. They don't even have 313 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: the civil alerts in Orlando. Because my cousin amber Ward, 314 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: her husband was in the army with this man. They 315 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: have a cops friend that worked in Orlando Police department 316 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: down there, he went into work. He did not have 317 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: a civil alert on Katie whatsoever. He tried to get 318 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: ahold of the detectives and her case is locked. Oh 319 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven. Okay, So Greg Smith, doesn't this 320 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: tell you, I mean, you're the special Deputy Sheriff. Doesn't 321 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: this tell you they went to Disney and she was 322 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: alive and well February fifteen, Well, it certainly tells me 323 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 1: that her phone was in that area. Just speaking as 324 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: a as a cell phone analyst, one of the things 325 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: that I do in my job, I can't I mean, 326 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,959 Speaker 1: in court, I wouldn't be amitted to say that she 327 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: was there. All I can say is that her phone 328 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: was there. That you're not in court, you're on time stories. 329 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: So why do you think her phone would be pinging 330 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: around Orlando? And I bet if they triangulated, it would 331 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: be at Disney. It's quite possible. And they have that technology, 332 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: they have the capability to do that. Why they haven't, 333 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. Man. I'll be lighting a fire under 334 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: somebody's rear in about right now. What else? Nancy point, Yes, 335 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this is a mother. Okay. Now, my son 336 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: kept on saying something about Fremont Park, which is not 337 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: a park, it's actually beach that's off the grid. No 338 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: Wi Fi. You could camp right next, pull your car 339 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: right up on the beach. And I told the detective 340 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: of the second night out and she said that she 341 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: was going to send detectives out there, which she didn't do. 342 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: She admitted to me that she didn't do. And my 343 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: daughter ping there and that is an hour and forty 344 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: nine minutes away for me. It is eighteen hun or 345 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: Canal Drive, North Carolina Beaches two eight four to eight. 346 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, what is going on with the local police. 347 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, Nancy, but is this enough to get 348 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: the FBI involved in this case because they cross state line? Yeah, 349 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: they have cross state lines. They absolutely have committed for 350 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: purposes of the FBI to get involved. Is this real 351 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: purposes of the affai? I called the FBI, the FBI 352 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: down here, that's stationed down here in North Carolina. I 353 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: called them. They took the key snumber, they took everything 354 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: about Keatie's disappearance and everything, and they said the local 355 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: police have to ask for the help for them to 356 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: jump in. That's right, they do. The local police have 357 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: to ask. I want to focus on something. I don't 358 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: know the answer to that, but I do know this 359 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: that there are photos of the purp. It looks to 360 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: me like a hog. He on a really big black motorcycle. 361 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't see enough to know if it's a hurling 362 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: or what it is. He's also been spotted with a 363 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: blue Dodge Magna. Now, there's so much that can be 364 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: done with that. Go with me, Rona Black on this. 365 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: Rona is joining us from juryfile dot com. She's a 366 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: victim's advocate. First of all, how many people in that 367 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: area have a Blue Dodge Magna? How many? Then you 368 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: take that and cross reference it with driver's licenses. You 369 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: rule out all the women, You rule out teens and 370 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: guys in their twenties and thirties, and who do you 371 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: have left that? Now, if this is a rental car, 372 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: which I highly doubt by the looks of it, But 373 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: if it is, then go to the rental agencies nearby 374 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 1: find out who rented the car. It's really not that hard, Rona, 375 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: What can you tell me about out the car? I 376 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: can tell you that we know for sure the suspect 377 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: was driving the car the first time he ever met 378 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: Katie so we know for sure that he drives. The 379 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: brother verified that when they saw him at a local store, 380 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: um that previously prior to her disappearance, that they they verified. 381 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: The brother verified that that was her. He was driving 382 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: that vehicle. They were sitting in that car. They were 383 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: sitting in the car. Would there be surveillance video from 384 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: that store that could possibly pick up a tack? They 385 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: were supposedly going up there to get that information. That's 386 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: where that one they got him in Family Dollar. But 387 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: Katie and Hill Katie, oh my god, I'm her sister's name. 388 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Katie and CJ. Would inside Foodline, which is 389 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: right next store with him. They would inside the store together, 390 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 1: all three of them. So when you say they we're 391 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: gonna go get the video, who is they the detectives? 392 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: Have you been yourself? I The only video that the 393 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: police officer showed me was a video of the morning. 394 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: Is that a No, you have not been too? What 395 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: was the grocery store? Food line? No? I did not 396 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: go myself with the detectives. No, but you do know 397 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: that he went. Yes, And what if anything did the 398 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: video reveal? They didn't show me that video. They only 399 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: showed me of the video of the shell station. Let's 400 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: say a mock up of a blue Dodge Magna. What 401 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: does that look like? Describe it for me, Runna black. Um, 402 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: it's a it's a four door. Um it will they 403 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: Some people call it an suv, but it really looks 404 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: like a sedan. It's lowered to the ground. Um it is. 405 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: We We have photos of it out there at juryfile 406 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: dot com. And there's other photos out there of the vehicle. 407 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: That vehicle. Like I said, we know that he drives it. 408 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: But most importantly, what I really need to stress is 409 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: law enforcement there is telling Katie's mom that that he 410 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: doesn't that's not his vehicle. He has nothing to do 411 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: with that vehicle. But whoever has that vehicle knows who 412 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: our suspect is. Guys, take a listen to our friends 413 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: at crime online dot com. The Cumberland County, North Carolina 414 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office spokesperson Sergeant Tenaya Brown says, upon further investigation, 415 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: someone convinced Kaitlin Benjamin Olsen to meet in person. The 416 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: man and the photos is someone who might have information 417 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: on her whereabouts. We do not have this man's name 418 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: or age at this time. We are asking for the 419 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: public's assistance and identifying this man. Anyone with information on 420 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: Kaitlyn's whereabouts or who knows the identity of this man 421 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: can contact Senior Sergeant Nicole Mincy at nine one zero 422 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: six seven seven fifty five fourteen or Crime Stoppers at 423 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: nine one o four eight three eighty four seventy seven. 424 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, let's just cause for 425 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: one moment and think. Think about this teen girl with 426 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: the mind of a seven year old child, with this 427 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: man and his late fifties early sixties. What do you 428 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: think is happening right now? What motel are they shacked 429 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: up in? Is he having sex with her every day? 430 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: Of course he is. Is he trying to get her 431 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: Social Security disability check for her cognitive handicap? Now, think 432 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: about it, what this child is going through right now, 433 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: somewhere away from mom, away from home, away from anyone 434 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: that would take care of her. How much did you 435 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: have to take care of your seven year old child? 436 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: How much? How time consenting was that? All this guy's 437 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: thinking about doing is molesting her and maybe getting her 438 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: Social Security benefit. Take a listen to our friends at 439 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: Jury File podcast. After communicating with Caitlyn on social media. 440 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: The unknown man took extra steps to ensure that Caitlyn 441 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: felt comfortable around him, even offering to meet family members 442 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: of hers. It is also likely that he owns or 443 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: has access to the motorcycle pictured on on her flyers 444 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: as well this one right here. Caitlyn's case highlights the 445 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: rising number in cases that stem from communication on social media. 446 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: Predators who reach out through social media and know what 447 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: to look for in younger individuals to learn and manipulate them. 448 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,719 Speaker 1: Individuals who choose to exhibit this type of behavior do 449 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: not make their true intentions known, and just because they 450 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: have not said that they plan to harm a person 451 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: that they are seeking out does not mean that they won't. 452 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: I want to follow up on what you just said, 453 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: Ronad Black, joining me from jurifile dot com, explain, I 454 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: mean when you say he tried to make her feel 455 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: comfortable with him, offering to meet her family, like their dating, 456 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: She's got the mind of a seven year old child. 457 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: They're not dating exactly. It's just ludicrous, Steven even think 458 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: that for a second. And this isn't It's not as 459 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: if this isn't a sensational type case for people to cover. 460 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: There's a lot of details. We have images of the suspect, 461 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: we have vehicles, we're trying to track down and get 462 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: the local public to let us know if they know 463 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: this and or Nutch. We have so much actual information 464 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: in facts to go on. I just shot that this 465 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: has not come to an d yet. Caitlin. There is 466 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: no way that Caitlin left with that man. The only 467 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: way she walked out and left that window in the 468 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: middle of her night willingly was if he had promised 469 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: her the world. There is no way she just left 470 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: with him, like when little Nicole Lovell was promised that 471 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: she's thirteen years old, that David Eisenhower, the big man 472 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: on campus at Virginia Tech, was going to marry her 473 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: and start a family, and Statia ends up naked, Dad 474 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: wiped down with Lisa wipes on the side of the road. 475 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: This is bringing to mind another longtime friend. Alicia kosy 476 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: kevitch Elsa was a teen girl when she was lured 477 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: literally out of Christmas dinner. Her whole family gathered around 478 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: the table, lured out to go meet her online friend, 479 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: another boy she had met online her age. At first, 480 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: she thought it was a girl found out it was 481 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: a boy. She stepped outside to meet him. She was 482 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: immediately kidnapped and held hostage with a choke collar, raped repeatedly, 483 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: and just before the perp was set to kill her, 484 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: another child pornographer, having seen the photos of Alicia being 485 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: traded online, actually felt so bad he called the FBI 486 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: and her life was saved. We are asking for your 487 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: help today trying to find Caitlin. She has the mind 488 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: of a seven year old child, and she has been 489 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: lured and has been kidnapped. I'm with you on this 490 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: Ronad Black. We know, we believe his name is Chris. 491 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 1: We know he was driving a blue Dodge Magna, and 492 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: we know he either owns or drives the motorcycle we 493 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: see him pictured on. What kind of motorcycle is that? 494 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: Rhna Um I cannot, I would be. I'd be skeptical 495 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 1: or hesitant rather to say publicly what kind it is. 496 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: I've had got an inkling on what it might be, 497 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: but I'm okay, h what what do you think it 498 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: might be? Hale? I would well, it is a Harley. 499 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,919 Speaker 1: I believe it is a Harley for sure, but I 500 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: actually am pinpointing down the exact model of first stru 501 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: first blush, I thought it was a Harley, but I'm 502 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: not sure why I thought that because I can't really 503 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: identify it. It's a solid black. What we think is that, 504 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: you greg, it's a black Harley, a big one too. 505 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,399 Speaker 1: It's some kind of super glide or something. I don't 506 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: get it, uh, Kathleen Murphy trial lawyer joining us. We've 507 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: got we think his name Chris, a vehicle linked to him, 508 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 1: and a black Harley linked to him, and a pain 509 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 1: in or Lando? Why yeah? And Miami? Why can't they 510 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: catch the sky and a lot of and West Sparrow 511 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: and what and West Barrow, North Carolina because that's where 512 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: the beaches and that's where she did ping there. They 513 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: told me that when was the last ping that you 514 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: know on Caitlin's fan or Orlando or February that the 515 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: last ping. Yes, they're still waiting as of this morning. 516 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 1: The hit acto just told me that she's still waiting 517 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: for Instagram. Weren't for Instagram to send all the conversations 518 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: that they ever had to it? What are you learning 519 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 1: about the conversations, Lisa Benjamin, this is Caitlyn's mom. All 520 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: I know as of the one conversation that she had 521 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: with her brother in the Instagram conversation was that she 522 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: wanted to meet him alone, and he said, no, that 523 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,240 Speaker 1: wasn't a good idea. And the guy sent those pictures. 524 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: The motorcycle picture and the blue picture are from my 525 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: son's Instagram conversation with them. And three days out this 526 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: man deleted his Instagram. Well, if he's got Insta, they 527 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: can't find the server that goes with it. No, they're 528 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: telling me they're still waiting on Instagram to get back 529 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: to them. Oh my god, who is today? Who is they? 530 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 1: Who is they? The detective the detective. Detective means say, 531 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 1: and that is with what agency? The Fayeville Sheriff's Department. Yeah, Nancy, 532 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: Instagram is notorious for not cooperating with law enforcement. That 533 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me to hear them. Oh, dear Lord in heaven. 534 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,240 Speaker 1: But you know what, what what shouldn't take that long 535 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: is to paying where her cell phone is Right now, 536 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: we haven't heard any information since February fifteen. Guys, take 537 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut eleven from Jury File podcast, 538 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: Absolute Kick or Lky or meet Up and others have 539 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: been done elminating the headlines for some time, but no 540 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: one seems to notice. These headlines often do not make 541 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 1: it into your algorithm driven feeds, and people tend to 542 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 1: not see them. I encourage you, though, especially if you 543 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: have children, do a simple Google search, search kick, kik 544 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: and arrest click over on the NEWSTAB. When you do that, 545 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: and I guarantee you you'll find plenty of recent arrests 546 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: of suspects who have communicated with miners on kick. Not 547 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: only that, guys, I want to point out that the 548 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: number of predatoral relationships on social media is skyrocketing. Right now, 549 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: we know that flyers have been gone out on social 550 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: media with Caitlin's photo, also with the photo of who 551 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: we believe to be Chris, that is with right now 552 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: a photo of his motorcycle and the blue vehicle. This 553 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: is not anyone the family knows. This mom has not 554 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: heard from her daughter since Caitlin went missing. Won't you 555 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: help us? What I don't get it's why nothing is 556 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: being done on the case. Join with me to reach 557 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: Senior Sergeant Nicole Mintzi of the Cumberland County Sheriff's Office. 558 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: We are have repeatedly put the number up for you. 559 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: That number is nine one zero six seven seven five 560 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 1: five one four. We beg you, Sergeant, to bring in 561 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: the FBI to bring this girl home. Isn't it true, Lisa, 562 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: that when the Instagram messages were reviewed or other messages 563 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,399 Speaker 1: from your daughter, the pet was asking her for documents. Yes, 564 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,479 Speaker 1: he was asking her for her birth certific IT intial 565 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 1: security card to be with her. The tip line again 566 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: nine one zero six seven seven fifty five fourteen or 567 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: nine one zero four eight three eight four seven seven 568 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: help us bring Caitlin home. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing 569 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,