Speaker 1: Find Out and podcast. So Janna just wants to show
Speaker 1: off and she was like, he got her topic. I
Speaker 1: was like, do we ever? I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: we normally do hey, since we're our relationship podcast. Uh,
Speaker 1: we just would like I just want to celebrate us
Speaker 1: for a second because we had an awesome therapy session
Speaker 1: we did. It was so good the other day and
Speaker 1: I was it was really funny is I was walking
Speaker 1: with Linda and she was like, what are you doing today?
Speaker 1: And I said, couples therapy today. And I just feel
Speaker 1: like Mike is loaded up and ready, Like I just
Speaker 1: feel like he is ready to just lay it down
Speaker 1: because there have been a few things that you have
Speaker 1: had brought up. And I was just like, oh, he
Speaker 1: is just gunning for me this one. And it was
Speaker 1: such a good episode. I was so well, you know,
Speaker 1: I lived my life in episode. No. I just thought
Speaker 1: it was such a great session. Yeah, it was. And
Speaker 1: in all honesty leading up, like earlier in the day,
Speaker 1: I I felt a little like that. I felt a
Speaker 1: little locked and loaded. And that's why when we when
Speaker 1: we pulled into our theordy we went to our therapists house,
Speaker 1: and when we pulled in, you know, I wanted to
Speaker 1: really let my guard down, and I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: just so you know, because I kind of felt that
Speaker 1: tension too from you and I was locked and loaded
Speaker 1: no that you were thinking. I could just tell by
Speaker 1: your energy that you're just dreading this session. You're like, man,
Speaker 1: this is not going to be good. Well what were
Speaker 1: you locked and loaded about? Because you didn't really come
Speaker 1: in guns blazing? Well no, I think as the day
Speaker 1: went on leading up to it, I was like, I don't.
Speaker 1: I was like, why do I want to go in
Speaker 1: this way? I was like, nothing's good, gonna is gonna
Speaker 1: come out. I'm not gonna feel better afterwards, and so
Speaker 1: I was just trying something different and it's like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm just gonna go in. And that's why
Speaker 1: I told you in the car when pulled up. I
Speaker 1: was like, just so you know, I'm going to going
Speaker 1: in with the mindset the session to learn something about
Speaker 1: you and to be open, which I so appreciate. And
Speaker 1: I felt like I then reciprocated that with therapy. But
Speaker 1: I'm curious was something that maybe that you wanted that
Speaker 1: you were locked and loaded with that you didn't bring
Speaker 1: that You're like still kind of stewing, because I think
Speaker 1: that's bad too. Know. That's the thing. I just I
Speaker 1: I tried to have a different method Uh methodology is
Speaker 1: that right? Eastern said a word. That's a word. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's the word I try to I
Speaker 1: try to go about it in a different way and
Speaker 1: have a different strategy. So did you still express what
Speaker 1: you wanted to do, but just from a healthy way
Speaker 1: and not Yeah, not trying to prove you wrong, improve myself, right,
Speaker 1: it's just can you share what your therapist said about
Speaker 1: the two different ways of doing things? And I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of cool for people that listen. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: you know, Janna and I have talked about it's a
Speaker 1: lot on on here, just kind of how we process
Speaker 1: things differently, and there's you know, I'll have feelings that
Speaker 1: come up. Is I'll give you all an example. Say
Speaker 1: we'd planned on going to a splash pad with the
Speaker 1: kids and I made up and I started to think, Man,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'd rather not go. I'd rather Janna
Speaker 1: just take the kids because there's some things I want
Speaker 1: to take care of her at the house that had
Speaker 1: just been lingering. I just want to get them done.
Speaker 1: And so I like future tripped and made up in
Speaker 1: my head that if I asked Janna that, hey, I
Speaker 1: know we talked about going to splash Pad, but can
Speaker 1: you just take them so I can stay back and
Speaker 1: do X Y and Z, I made up that her
Speaker 1: response would be like, uh um yeah, yeah, sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll take the okay, yeah uh huh sure yeah I'll
Speaker 1: take the kids, and which would be totally fine. But
Speaker 1: for me, my expectation of her would be just say sure,
Speaker 1: because that's how I respond typically, and so my expectation
Speaker 1: is so high where it's just like love languages, right,
Speaker 1: how you receive love. You'll love somebody else that way
Speaker 1: until you learn their love language because you're like, well,
Speaker 1: this is how I receive love, so I'm going to
Speaker 1: love them that way. So it's like making somebody else's uh,
Speaker 1: making my truth somebody else's truth. So even though I
Speaker 1: would respond yeah, sure, no problem, she doesn't and that's okay.
Speaker 1: And so when she was if she responds that way,
Speaker 1: like the Jana way, I would take that personally and like, well,
Speaker 1: clearly it's an issue, because if it wasn't an issue,
Speaker 1: she would just say yeah, sure, no big deal, go
Speaker 1: for it. So I brought this up with my individual
Speaker 1: therapist and he hit it on the head. He sees
Speaker 1: right through me. I mean it just right through me
Speaker 1: every time. And he talked about two different ways of
Speaker 1: the two different ways that Janna and I process, and
Speaker 1: he said, Mike, you're a delayed internal processor, for example,
Speaker 1: which that means I'll say, hey, Mike, do you an apple?
Speaker 1: And he'll go, um, do I? And I'm like, do
Speaker 1: you want to apple? It's like, it's so true and
Speaker 1: so and then he usually just forget it. I'm not
Speaker 1: bringing you one for or I'll just bring you one.
Speaker 1: And it's funny. I use that example with Mark and
Speaker 1: so he said it just like that, and then he
Speaker 1: was like, now Janna, he's like, she's like an immediate
Speaker 1: external processor. So if you ask to Janna, hey, Janna,
Speaker 1: do you in an apple? She goes, um, do I
Speaker 1: want an apple? Well, there's only two apples left. If
Speaker 1: I eat one now, there's only one left for the
Speaker 1: As we have two kids, I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: gonna be enough of Jolly because she eats a lot
Speaker 1: more now and an apple sounds good, but we're not
Speaker 1: gonna go to the story later. So but you know,
Speaker 1: we do have some bananas and they're going bad. Maybe
Speaker 1: I should have a banana, but but we have those
Speaker 1: mangoes in the first that you just cut some. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll just have a banana. And that's how Janna processes.
Speaker 1: She she mind mouth, she talks it out. She she
Speaker 1: she speaks what's going on in her head, how her
Speaker 1: head is processing. I don't. It's all internal. So it
Speaker 1: was just really an enlightening way for me to realize,
Speaker 1: like her response isn't about me. It's not about what
Speaker 1: I'm asking being inconvenient to her. It's her just processing
Speaker 1: the change of what we had planned, which is okay.
Speaker 1: And so I just need to be able to sit
Speaker 1: in that and I'll be codependent around it and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to stay home and knock these few things
Speaker 1: that you get me taking the kids. Bade her process
Speaker 1: that where she processes it, and then that's that. I
Speaker 1: do have a question, though, because I would because I
Speaker 1: am an external one. Am I an external immediate I'm
Speaker 1: an immediate external processoral processor because I'm immediate sound like
Speaker 1: a freaking computer because I'm immediate external processor. And I
Speaker 1: say uh yeah, like and like yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: can take him. Is it okay for me then to go?
Speaker 1: What if I really wanted you to go to the
Speaker 1: splash pad with us, like it's the first time, Like
Speaker 1: I really want to spend time with the family. It
Speaker 1: would mean a lot to me. I'd understand. I just
Speaker 1: want you to know I'm a little bummed or like
Speaker 1: do you like can you you know, like what's how
Speaker 1: do you how do you play that? Then? Yeah for me,
Speaker 1: you know that because I think it's okay to be
Speaker 1: like like bummed, and also like I really need you
Speaker 1: to like I really want us as a family to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one of those where you know, like Bill was
Speaker 1: talking about the other day in a couple of session,
Speaker 1: it's like then we talk it out on what is
Speaker 1: more important in that moment. It's like, you know, you
Speaker 1: could say I still want you to get what you
Speaker 1: need right and like I hear like I wanted to
Speaker 1: fix some faucets in our house and replace this one
Speaker 1: in the bar, and like it's not stuff that's needs
Speaker 1: to be done right now, but it's the stuff that's
Speaker 1: been lingering that I want to get done. And so
Speaker 1: you know you could have if you just said, I
Speaker 1: would have said, like these other things I want to do, Like,
Speaker 1: I hear you, I know you want to get this done.
Speaker 1: I want to get them done to But I was
Speaker 1: really looking forward to going to the splash Pad as
Speaker 1: a family. Would it be cool if like you still
Speaker 1: came and we've you know, carved out of time for
Speaker 1: you to do it later, that would be okay, And
Speaker 1: you wouldn't get bummed about that as long as I
Speaker 1: feel hurt. As long as you're like I hear you,
Speaker 1: I totally understand you want to get that done. I
Speaker 1: get it. Instead of like going into a guilt trip
Speaker 1: of well, I really wanted to spend time as a family,
Speaker 1: but yeah, sure, if that's whatever, Yeah, then I would
Speaker 1: be like ever very was about did so what have
Speaker 1: I done wrong lately? You haven't done nothing wrong? Yo, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't have anything nothing. We just had couples, we processed.
Speaker 1: I mean that was like the big stuff though, what
Speaker 1: about the littles? No, I have no complaints. Great? Um, well,
Speaker 1: super excited for today because we have Cheryl Burke coming
Speaker 1: on the show, which, by the way, she's married to
Speaker 1: Matthew Lawrence. Remember the Lawrence Brothers, Like nineties heart throbs
Speaker 1: I remember being in the audience last year UM Dancing
Speaker 1: with the Stars and I saw Cheryl but I was like,
Speaker 1: like supery, but well it's like Cheryl and are like
Speaker 1: we're like homies. Like Cheryl, like you know, we did
Speaker 1: the show together. And when I saw Matthew, I was
Speaker 1: just like, it's just the nineties star, you know. It's
Speaker 1: like when I ran into J T. T at coffee being,
Speaker 1: I was like tongue tied. I was like, it's gt G.
Speaker 1: I had teen Bop, tiger Bop, big bop whatever bopa
Speaker 1: boppers like and them all over my wall and Matthew
Speaker 1: Lawrence is one of them. Do I ask, Like I've
Speaker 1: never told Cheryl I had, like you know, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure like, hello, like what nineties girl didn't have her
Speaker 1: husband on their wall? Is that? Do people still do that?
Speaker 1: By the way, like if posters question, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like we wish on here. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: wonder if his daughter like had because I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, did this do they do? They do they
Speaker 1: even still have teeny bopper whatever it's called big Bop.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I'm curious on the whole.
Speaker 1: On the whole poster thing. Do people do kids? I mean,
Speaker 1: they gotta still have teen bop. But I wonder who
Speaker 1: the big bopper is right now there's no J. D. D.
Speaker 1: And Matthew Lawrence who was there? Geez, he's a No,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's I don't think we want him
Speaker 1: on our walls. I think he's a great artist, but
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want Jolie like I would want her to
Speaker 1: go a little younger. I was just saying that, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, great example. You know what I put on
Speaker 1: my wall right now? Deacon Reese Witherspoon's son who does
Speaker 1: the that new song it's so good. How old is
Speaker 1: he's young? I think he's year old boy on our wall. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying if, like, if I was a kid
Speaker 1: in that age, he'd be my new because he's so cute.
Speaker 1: Look at Deacon Reese Philip and he's got that new look.
Speaker 1: He's got that new song long Run. It's so good.
Speaker 1: But I could see him like on Jolie's wall. You know,
Speaker 1: he looks like a little doesn't he, Dad Ryan Felippe Um, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: what No, I'll tell you the side story later. They
Speaker 1: have to they've got like her look alike and then Deacon.
Speaker 1: But anyways, I'm just saying, like I would, he kind
Speaker 1: of looks like Deacon to me is a Devin Sawa.
Speaker 1: So he was like my third runner up on my wall,
Speaker 1: Devin sa from Casper. When he walks down the stairs
Speaker 1: and like the song comes on, it's Alga, it's like
Speaker 1: your heart. The only person that knows his name, No, Casper,
Speaker 1: everyone else. I said that boy from Casper. Yeah. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell Cheryl any of this. Maybe
Speaker 1: I will ask her what posters did you have on
Speaker 1: your wall? J? T T, Devin Sawa, and Matthew Lawrence.
Speaker 1: But it was mostly j T. T. But it was
Speaker 1: from the teenybop magazines? Was Devin Sawa in anything else? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He had a few other, like smaller things. I mean,
Speaker 1: like you know in the nineties. I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like Easton's very excited topping. He was in Final Destination.
Speaker 1: He's the guy from Final Destination. Did you see those movies?
Speaker 1: You're You're right, he is the guy. I say, I
Speaker 1: never saw any of those good They're they're a classic. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: I had like, did you have posters? I mean listen.
Speaker 1: I'm trying not dad talking about your college years, which
Speaker 1: the pin up girls? What I never had that in college?
Speaker 1: Really don't guys? Do you think like football players I had?
Speaker 1: I remember I had when I was a kid, Like
Speaker 1: Cathy Ireland was like the one woman I had up.
Speaker 1: I had like a Dodge Viper car poster. I had
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's, Oh she's pretty, but look she's old. Well
Speaker 1: she wasn't old and ninety three, but I mean like, okay,
Speaker 1: so okay, fifty seven years old. Yeah, well at the
Speaker 1: time she was like thirty. Wow, so I love thirteen
Speaker 1: year olds. Thirty year old? Who else did you have
Speaker 1: on there? I think she's the only woman I ever
Speaker 1: had on a wall. Yeah, random stuff that is so funny.
Speaker 1: I'm like she was she a model, like a swimsuit
Speaker 1: It was like a s I swim suit poster or
Speaker 1: something Eastern. Who did you have on your wall? He's like,
Speaker 1: I had blank Winnity two on my wall, And you
Speaker 1: know what's funny, I had um. I had a post
Speaker 1: I got out of Maxim magazine on my wall of
Speaker 1: Brooke Burke, who now has a show on I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: And it's been a very big moment for me. But um,
Speaker 1: I had Brooke Burke on my wall, and uh, I
Speaker 1: had that there was a cover of like rolling stone
Speaker 1: of Jessica Jessica Simpson with like a vacuum cleaner. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys remember that there was that post.
Speaker 1: I had that that went up too, But was that
Speaker 1: when she was didn't wait, Daniel, I need you on here?
Speaker 1: Like have you did you have anybody? Oh gosh, mine's
Speaker 1: kind of embarrassing. Um I love him now that I
Speaker 1: like know who know him better? But I had Lance
Speaker 1: Bass on my wall like he was my guy. I
Speaker 1: had the doll, like the insinct doll. I had like
Speaker 1: every poster like I loved Lance Fast so much and
Speaker 1: it's like the nicest human being. I like, oh he's
Speaker 1: so wait, that is so fun. So because I always
Speaker 1: wondered who was you know, who wasn't Like obviously Justin
Speaker 1: and j C were the biggest, right, So with that
Speaker 1: in sync grew, But I always wondered, like the people
Speaker 1: that went for Lance or the other two Chris bats
Speaker 1: true boys. So I always wondered, like, you know who
Speaker 1: who those people? Girls liked them not saying that they
Speaker 1: mean they were cute, but you know, it's like j
Speaker 1: T and j C. You know, were like the hot shots.
Speaker 1: But Lance, did it affect you when he came out?
Speaker 1: Like did your little childhoodself? I guess I have the
Speaker 1: worst gaitar but like literally like this is not true
Speaker 1: and like everyone and everyone was like how did you
Speaker 1: not know it? Like I am shock, literally shook? Did
Speaker 1: you question your I mean did you just question your
Speaker 1: entire child entire childhood? I'm like, this doesn't mean anything anymore.
Speaker 1: But knowing that he's like the coolest and nicest person ever,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, I'll still I'll still stand
Speaker 1: by my my childhood crush. That is amazing. Who's is today? Though? Like,
Speaker 1: who do you think kids like today? I think you
Speaker 1: you have your hairy styles, your Shawn Mendez? I mean
Speaker 1: does BTS boys people love them? Yeah? Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I will say in sixth grade, Mike g easy, that
Speaker 1: should be on my wall. No, actually, post Malan would
Speaker 1: be online. Um, Britney Spears when I was in sixth grade,
Speaker 1: you could not do any better? Really? Well, yeah that
Speaker 1: was my girl for sure. That's awesome. I loved Brittany,
Speaker 1: I mean I still love her. It to day now
Speaker 1: that I know her sister, and her sister is awesome.
Speaker 1: So I'm getting distracted. Bike what's wrong with ratchet eyelashes?
Speaker 1: Right now? They're like falling off. I'm just ficturing with
Speaker 1: like nails being like yo, listen here, sorry, I put
Speaker 1: enough glue on. Um look at and trying to like
Speaker 1: got these like the you know, the books coming out
Speaker 1: next week we're super excited about. We're doing a bunch
Speaker 1: of zooms and don't get mad at me. Um okay,
Speaker 1: but I'm super excited. Cheryl Burke is coming up soon.
Speaker 1: So before we get to her, let's take a break
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna reapply my lash. Hey, I'm a J
Speaker 1: McClean and I'm Cheryl Burke, and I am Renee As
Speaker 1: I know who you don't know but you will know
Speaker 1: on our new podcast, Pretty Messed Up. He's the pretty.
Speaker 1: I'm the mess, and Renee's the up. He is the up.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think everything, and if we do,
Speaker 1: you better not do it on camera. Yeah. No, I
Speaker 1: don't think we're fighting right now. Is this fighting that
Speaker 1: we fight all the time? And yeah, we fight constantly.
Speaker 1: That's our way of communication. I don't think we'll ever fight,
Speaker 1: you know, even though we are very similar personalities, which
Speaker 1: a lot of times it doesn't work. I think, take
Speaker 1: off those sunnies. This connection, Oh you can blink. I
Speaker 1: have been teaching him also, not just a smile, but
Speaker 1: to blink. We doesn't look like a psycho killer when
Speaker 1: we dance live on TV. I can't wait for the podcast.
Speaker 1: There are so many stories about a j's honesty at
Speaker 1: the wrong time. You know. Obviously a lot in the
Speaker 1: public has been said about me, my journey through recovery
Speaker 1: and sobriety, my ups and downs, my highs and lows, um.
Speaker 1: But there's still so much left that not a lot
Speaker 1: of people know about. And you know, I've compared myself
Speaker 1: to an onion because there's a lot more layers to
Speaker 1: me than anyone really knows about Funion exactly. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to do the podcast because I can just call
Speaker 1: him out and Renee can give me advice on how
Speaker 1: to handle him. Sometimes because all I hear is the
Speaker 1: tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk talk talk, excuses, excuses, excuses,
Speaker 1: and careful Listen to Pretty Messed Up on the I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio app on Apple podcasts or wherever you listen
Speaker 1: to your podcast. That's right, sure. How are you a
Speaker 1: huge fan of you? Guys? I love your podcast. You're
Speaker 1: so sweet. I love you. I'm so excited that you're
Speaker 1: on here. Um. We just had like a massive conversation
Speaker 1: about oh my god, I missed the nineties. I love
Speaker 1: the nineties. And who we had on our walls. Did
Speaker 1: you have a specific person on your wall in the nineties?
Speaker 1: Luke Perry rest in Peace was my jam. I think
Speaker 1: Mario Lopez was on there. Uh, and definitely anything in
Speaker 1: sinc Okay, so for no, wait, no, sorry, New Kids
Speaker 1: New Kids was New Kids? Yeah? No, New Kids was good?
Speaker 1: Oh man, who was the lead? Jordany night I had
Speaker 1: bed sheets, not even just post her. I was sleeping
Speaker 1: on his face. Yeah, oh that's space. That's why I
Speaker 1: forgot about him. I had. I had a thing with
Speaker 1: Jordan McKnight too. Yeah, he was one of them. But
Speaker 1: I was curious how you felt, because I have to
Speaker 1: be honest. I had Matthew on my Wow, I did.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I'll be sorry. That was so crazy.
Speaker 1: I had Ben Savage on mine. Fantastic, But I'm like,
Speaker 1: I wonder how that would make it her husband hanging
Speaker 1: on my wall and he would be so flattered. Well, no,
Speaker 1: because I was saying too. I was like, you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: when I saw you last year taking Since the Stars,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, Matthew Ward, that's so funny.
Speaker 1: And I was just like I was like stanning over you,
Speaker 1: even though like we've met obviously before. But then I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, it's Screamer from Wine Down.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're hilarious. And we also dance. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was on your season when who did you dance with? Think,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Ryan Locked. That's when we got like
Speaker 1: bombarded on the dance floor. Yeah, that was so scary.
Speaker 1: That was really really scary. And everyone said that they
Speaker 1: thought it was a setup, and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I don't get that, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's like that planned out. I hope
Speaker 1: not at least. Okay, Well, I'm we're super excited that
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars is coming back. Um, I wasn't
Speaker 1: sure how it was all going to work out with
Speaker 1: you know, the pandemic stuff, but I'm so happy that
Speaker 1: you guys are dancing and you have a j Backstreet Boy.
Speaker 1: He was definitely not on my wall, but I know
Speaker 1: the songs, that's for sure. I think I was like
Speaker 1: a fan of Backstreets music, but then the dancing was
Speaker 1: in sync hands down. Well, so here's my question, because
Speaker 1: I was more in sync too. Um, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: now obviously more of a fan of Backstreetvoice because they
Speaker 1: continue to do music and you know their stuff is
Speaker 1: really good. And but are you a little worried that
Speaker 1: you might start singing like an in sync no one?
Speaker 1: The first of all, no one wants to hear me
Speaker 1: sing because that is like, honestly, even like when I
Speaker 1: mean I'm sobered out of what I used to drink,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even carry obee, that's how bad. I won't
Speaker 1: even sing in the shower because I'll embarrass myself. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? Like I'm I'm I'm talking? Yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: how long have you been? So far? Fun? Almost two
Speaker 1: years old when we got engaged, So it's been about
Speaker 1: two years okay, because I remember we drank a little bit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we were Yep. Sometimes I wonder if I
Speaker 1: should start to getting kidding, but like, yeah, what was
Speaker 1: your decision to stop? If you don't mind totally. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: so my father passed away about two and a half
Speaker 1: years ago, and he was an alcoholic, and um, I
Speaker 1: thought for sure when he was sick, it was either
Speaker 1: going to go one way or the other. Like either
Speaker 1: I was gonna go like in hardcore and like check
Speaker 1: myself into rehab, or I was gonna just quit culturkey.
Speaker 1: But it was kind of like I promised, I just
Speaker 1: made to myself. I never I didn't even tell Mad
Speaker 1: about it or anybody. It was just a decision. And
Speaker 1: I think subconsciously it was like I would start reacting
Speaker 1: to the alcohol. So like I started getting hives randomly,
Speaker 1: and mind you, I could drink like I'm half Asian,
Speaker 1: so like normally, like I never got the red Asian face,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like ever, I was very
Speaker 1: proud about it, and so I could drink like I
Speaker 1: have a bottle of vodka and just be like mom sober,
Speaker 1: like no one knew, you know. Um. But then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I started reacting as soon as my
Speaker 1: father passed away. And I think it's just the whole thing,
Speaker 1: like a subconscious Um. Yeah, so it was not It's
Speaker 1: not like I went to a a or anything. But
Speaker 1: I know that I have that. Um, I guess I
Speaker 1: have traits of an addict, you know, so um or
Speaker 1: I am an addict, I can say too, but like
Speaker 1: I I don't know, Um, I don't know. It's just
Speaker 1: a problem I made to myself. And I just feel
Speaker 1: like I never went a day without drinking. So it
Speaker 1: was important for me to kind of, you know, see
Speaker 1: if I can do it, and I just stopped. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Good for you. Yeah, has been supportive with that for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, like Matt and I have a long history,
Speaker 1: right because we dated back in season when it was
Speaker 1: my season, my second season, Season three of Dancing and
Speaker 1: starts like twenty five years ago. It feels like met
Speaker 1: him through his older brother Joey Lawrence when he did
Speaker 1: the show. Um, and so I back then, I was
Speaker 1: like it was a big blur because like I come
Speaker 1: from like the competition world where you're like an Olympian, right,
Speaker 1: training every single day, and then you come on a
Speaker 1: show like this, and yes it's rigorous the schedule, but
Speaker 1: it's not like competition worlds, you know, So like it
Speaker 1: was a get out of jail free card for me,
Speaker 1: and it was like I never went to college, so
Speaker 1: this was my college years here, um in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: just like going out seven nights a week. Um. Matt,
Speaker 1: you know, he was already in the business since he
Speaker 1: was a little boy. Um, so he already went out
Speaker 1: and he was done with that whole club you know,
Speaker 1: nightlife scene, I guess from when he was like sixteen seventeen,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I'm just getting started, and
Speaker 1: so well it only lasted like six to eight months.
Speaker 1: I went out in hardcore for like ten years, and
Speaker 1: then finally I was like, you cannot pay me to
Speaker 1: go out anymore. And Matt was waiting totally. And by
Speaker 1: the way, we broke up and we didn't even run
Speaker 1: into each other at a Ralph's, Like it was ten
Speaker 1: years like and we lived, I know, and then we
Speaker 1: just like, so, how did you guys come back together?
Speaker 1: Was it? Did you reach out? Did he reach out?
Speaker 1: What happened? My little sister like loves Matt, So she goes,
Speaker 1: whatever happened to Matt? When I was like just you know,
Speaker 1: trying to date and it's kind of impossible here in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, you know, so she's like, well, whatever happened
Speaker 1: to Matt? We love him, and um, She's like, give
Speaker 1: me your phone and I'm like, wait, don't you dare
Speaker 1: text him? And she texted him and she was like,
Speaker 1: merried Christmas. And then he responded right away and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we should have dinner. I thought for sure he was
Speaker 1: married already. I had no idea, right, and then we
Speaker 1: had dinner and I was like, Okay, we're gonna do
Speaker 1: this then, right, We're not gonna waste each other's time,
Speaker 1: Like we're not just here to have dinner. You're like,
Speaker 1: I want to marriage, I want kids, I want also.
Speaker 1: I basically threatened him, and we got married amazing, familiar
Speaker 1: it happily. Ever, that's the only way, No, it's absolutely
Speaker 1: that's Uh. How is he with with the dancing stuff
Speaker 1: and and and that I know just from Jane doing
Speaker 1: her season, how demanding it that is in the time,
Speaker 1: So like during the season when you are grinding out
Speaker 1: basically every day, how is he during that process and
Speaker 1: not being around you so much? I mean, I swear
Speaker 1: this is why we got married. He's just he gets it,
Speaker 1: like he totally gets it because he's in the same world. Right,
Speaker 1: So when he back in the day when you shoot movies, right,
Speaker 1: you would like go out and go and travel and
Speaker 1: be gone for a couple of months at a time.
Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody would really understand unless if
Speaker 1: you're in the business. And he's so supportive and right now,
Speaker 1: like he got we have a new little puppy that
Speaker 1: we treat like it's a human, little human running around everywhere,
Speaker 1: and he's so he's so great, like he's gonna be
Speaker 1: such a great fall other one day. So he's he's
Speaker 1: so supportive, makes me breakfast and make sure that I'm
Speaker 1: like healthy and mentally healthy. You know, you know how
Speaker 1: the show is gets to you. How do you How
Speaker 1: do you guys stay connected when y'all schedules because you can't.
Speaker 1: It is so demanding when both your other work and
Speaker 1: doing that. What do you guys do to stay connected? Therapy? Like, Actually,
Speaker 1: I'm serious, because it's like you have, like I said,
Speaker 1: a time right, So I'm very like calendar or like
Speaker 1: I am just like to the t right um, and
Speaker 1: so I need to block out time and schedule it.
Speaker 1: You have to schedule. I think you have to be
Speaker 1: mindful of scheduling time to be together because honestly, every
Speaker 1: day your everyday life can just take over and you
Speaker 1: haven't even made eye contact. I love that. What do
Speaker 1: you guys, like, what's what's your biggest struggle in y'all's communication? Communication?
Speaker 1: But else? Oh okay, so who's like what who struggles were? As? Like,
Speaker 1: both of you guys aren't good a communication? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I'll take just as much fault. Sure. I mean,
Speaker 1: like it's not really a bad thing. I think it's
Speaker 1: good that we're talking about it right first of all.
Speaker 1: But then like he tends to hold in his feelings
Speaker 1: like a typical dude, you know, and I'm like diarrhea
Speaker 1: of the mouth. So I'm just like everything I feel
Speaker 1: I have to get out or else it's gonna eat
Speaker 1: me alive. And then then I'll I don't want to
Speaker 1: cause like I don't want resentment to build. So it's
Speaker 1: like if I hold something in and I don't like
Speaker 1: say it right away, but then sometimes I'll react and
Speaker 1: my reaction isn't great, you know, So like I need
Speaker 1: to I'm learning now just to think about the actual
Speaker 1: feeling as to why I'm being triggered too. Then Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe I need to just like listen, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be a better listener and not just like react. Isn't
Speaker 1: that so hard? They're like not to react when you're
Speaker 1: in that moment. It's hard to just like take a
Speaker 1: second because you know and even like something. You know, Mike,
Speaker 1: we I mean we both worked on it, but like
Speaker 1: Mike too will be like if we just take a minute,
Speaker 1: we're not going to have like the big explosion. I know.
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's it's so easy to like it
Speaker 1: so easily avoidable. But yeah, we have such a hard
Speaker 1: like it's like I black out, Janna, Like I seriously
Speaker 1: like I have this like, oh my god, it's like
Speaker 1: a crazy ass feeling that I feel like I have
Speaker 1: to say. I can't even either it's like me walking away,
Speaker 1: which is also something I shouldn't do right or like
Speaker 1: him then just like knocking on my door and I'm
Speaker 1: like I just need a minute. I just need a minute.
Speaker 1: But then like I get it, like I get both sides.
Speaker 1: I totally see it. Um, but it's really hard for
Speaker 1: me to buy my tongue. But I'm really learning. I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm meditating twice a day now, and it's
Speaker 1: like it does help me, like just to chill. It
Speaker 1: is funny. I mean we Jane and I were just
Speaker 1: going at it was that yesterday, yeah, I think it
Speaker 1: was yesterday office. Would you say you're kept ching? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kept chirping. We were getting We kind of got
Speaker 1: on each other about something and it was a moment
Speaker 1: where Janna was able to compose and keep yourself composed initially,
Speaker 1: and I just kind of kept chirping away and we
Speaker 1: put our computer screens. We have desks that face each other,
Speaker 1: and we blocked each other with our screens the way
Speaker 1: by the way that you moved your computer so funny.
Speaker 1: I was, I don't look at you. And in that
Speaker 1: moment when I kept chirping and finally I stopped chirping,
Speaker 1: I was just I wanted to plant my flag. There's
Speaker 1: no way I'm saying sorry, like I didn't do anything wrong,
Speaker 1: and just lettings go by, right, and I like start breathing.
Speaker 1: How different your thought is in thought process where Janna
Speaker 1: heard me like breathing, and she was like, are you
Speaker 1: ready say sorry yet? And I moved my screen. We
Speaker 1: had a good laugh. I was like, well, it's about
Speaker 1: to until you just asked me if I was ready
Speaker 1: say sorry, say like I can't. It's hard for me
Speaker 1: to say sorry, and that's not good. It's my ego, right,
Speaker 1: So it's like I just like and when I do,
Speaker 1: it's so listen, I'm super monotone. So when I'm happy,
Speaker 1: I'm like this, sad, like this angry like this, like
Speaker 1: I don't really like but he's so like animated and
Speaker 1: like it's like talking from his diaphragm, and like when
Speaker 1: he yelled, it's so like singing opera, like yo, man, chill,
Speaker 1: like I get literally like everybody in the neighbors can
Speaker 1: hear you, right, And like I'm just like this and
Speaker 1: so like and then I feel I'm like when you
Speaker 1: when he yells as a trigger for me, I think,
Speaker 1: So then I'm like I just either stop or I like.
Speaker 1: But then I'm like deadly. I'm silent, but deadly, like
Speaker 1: I'll say some evil under my breath, right, I know
Speaker 1: you too, That's okay? Sorry, sorry no, but I mean no,
Speaker 1: but I mean the same. I mean, shoot, we've we've
Speaker 1: all been there. I mean we we both have said
Speaker 1: things that we wish we could take that way, you know,
Speaker 1: because in those moments, you just your pain is speaking
Speaker 1: not the truth, you know, it's just it's just wanting
Speaker 1: to hurt because you and I think that's something that
Speaker 1: we realized to it and it's your thoughts. It's just
Speaker 1: your thoughts. It's like your own perception and reality of
Speaker 1: what you think it is when it's probably not what
Speaker 1: your partner is thinking. Relationships, it's it's a lot. So
Speaker 1: let me ask you this show, going back to Dancing
Speaker 1: the Stars for a second. You know, you deal with
Speaker 1: having a new partner every year in that kind of
Speaker 1: environment together so much how I mean, just from watching
Speaker 1: Janna and Gleb and Janna coming home and bitching about
Speaker 1: Glad and being like you're such an asshole today and
Speaker 1: every day it seemed like a relationship like during that time.
Speaker 1: So do you find yourself like with these people, you're
Speaker 1: you're in this relationship with them that gets you know,
Speaker 1: you get contested with each other, you get emotional with
Speaker 1: each other, you get angry, you get sad, you get okay.
Speaker 1: So for me, it's like an arrange marriage, right, you
Speaker 1: have no choice unfortunately sometimes right, So it's like you're
Speaker 1: paired up with this person and I give this person
Speaker 1: and I've had twenty three of them, Okay, so I
Speaker 1: give them my feel, and it's like it's never what
Speaker 1: people first of all, it has no it's not like
Speaker 1: as sexy as people think it is. Us dry humping
Speaker 1: like this seven days a week, right, Like it's not
Speaker 1: really sexy, especially because like, look, there's some men and
Speaker 1: I can only speak for myself that come on the
Speaker 1: show and hate to be coached or um. This is
Speaker 1: why I prefer athletes a lot, because as they don't
Speaker 1: care a man woman, they love being coached and that's
Speaker 1: all they know. So they're gonna just take the actual note,
Speaker 1: do it, and then think about it when they go
Speaker 1: home and then come back a better dancer. Then you've
Speaker 1: got the emotional like actors, right, I'm married, I'm married.
Speaker 1: I'm married an actor like I love, but like sometimes
Speaker 1: on this show, like you have to be vulnerable, like
Speaker 1: I don't care who you are, what you've done. Like,
Speaker 1: if you're going to come on this show, the only
Speaker 1: way to do this is to either make fun of
Speaker 1: ballroom dancing and like go full out, because you're not
Speaker 1: gonna look cool if you're trying to look cool, Like
Speaker 1: there's no way in hell, Like you can't make ballroom
Speaker 1: dancing look cool by like and this is like kind
Speaker 1: of like what me and a J are going through
Speaker 1: right now. I'm like, if it feels good, you're not
Speaker 1: doing it right. So I don't know what to say
Speaker 1: to you, Like you have to act like an ask
Speaker 1: like you really do. Like I did this with Rob
Speaker 1: Kardashian because he had a lot of issues right when
Speaker 1: it was just his own insecurity or whatever. And so
Speaker 1: literally we would be on like the live show and
Speaker 1: I'd be saying the craziest at him, but it would
Speaker 1: make him smile. It would make him just like exaggerate,
Speaker 1: because it's all about exaggeration, right, like if you have
Speaker 1: to actually distort your whole body in order for it
Speaker 1: to look good, right, and doesn't feel good at all.
Speaker 1: But like with a hip hop dancer, like with someone
Speaker 1: like a J who thinks he has dance experience, which
Speaker 1: he does, and I'm gonna take that away from him,
Speaker 1: but it's almost harder to entrain the brain because it's
Speaker 1: like I need He's like he's also used to being
Speaker 1: down here, and I'm like, yeah, I don't see your
Speaker 1: neck and it doesn't look good. You've got to act
Speaker 1: like you're like six feet tall. And so we're going
Speaker 1: through this all of these different like life lessons and
Speaker 1: then dance lessons, and then honestly, I am just like
Speaker 1: I lose my number between the hours of eight pm
Speaker 1: and eight am. Seriously don't want and don't want to
Speaker 1: hear from you. I don't want to even like talk
Speaker 1: dance because also I have to come home to my husband,
Speaker 1: like he doesn't want to hear all Dancing with the
Speaker 1: Stars talk? Are you kidding? So it's actually not that
Speaker 1: sexy at all, actually quite the opposite. Yeah, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: and you gotta work alone, buddy, Like I'm like, you
Speaker 1: have to smell you from the moment you parked your car,
Speaker 1: because I think it's just rude. So how's it going
Speaker 1: between you and A J? Then that wasn't dark to
Speaker 1: the AJ is good at that by the way, a J.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying out of like that was a summary
Speaker 1: of all twenty three. But then let's talk about the positive.
Speaker 1: So the positive is a J is great. A J
Speaker 1: knows how to take direction, like he's been working with
Speaker 1: choreographers before, and just like being able to be a
Speaker 1: team player, right because he has a boy band, right,
Speaker 1: so it's not just him, um, but he's really, he
Speaker 1: really is excited and obviously his uh boy band or mate,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they call each other up. Nick
Speaker 1: was on and so I think Nick may have scared
Speaker 1: him a little bit just about like how ruling the
Speaker 1: schedule is. But I was like, it has only just begun,
Speaker 1: my friend. This is not even week two yet. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's so sad though, with the fact that
Speaker 1: there's not going to be like and I get it,
Speaker 1: but that the audience, because for me when I was
Speaker 1: on the show, it's like, the audience is what made
Speaker 1: me nervous, which what made me like really excited. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so okay. So I'm really good friends with Leah Remany,
Speaker 1: who did the show right, and she's like, I wish
Speaker 1: I would have signed up now, she goes, I am
Speaker 1: so jealous that you guys, because I think it was
Speaker 1: the live audience for her. Um, but the nerves turned
Speaker 1: into like nerves, not like what you just said, like
Speaker 1: it was like a good nervous you know. And I'm
Speaker 1: nervous about it because I'm just like, oh, so we're
Speaker 1: gonna be dancing our hearts out, giant kicking like crazy,
Speaker 1: sweating our asses off, and then crickets like there's not
Speaker 1: gonna be like any button. It's gonna be like the rehearsal,
Speaker 1: like when no one was out there now, except we
Speaker 1: can't swear right, because like it used to be like
Speaker 1: a ratedar it was like dancing with the stars at dark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I wish people could see their rehearsals because
Speaker 1: that's when just like you really see the true like
Speaker 1: couple relationship. So yeah, it's definitely revealing for sure. So
Speaker 1: the ballroom is definitely filled with like you don't see gaps,
Speaker 1: so it's a it'll be extra lighting. It looks like
Speaker 1: a spaceship. It looks crazy in a good way though.
Speaker 1: And are they are they testing you guys? Like every
Speaker 1: few days? Is that? Like? What is what's the precautions
Speaker 1: for five days a week, Monday through Friday, no weekends
Speaker 1: from the spit test to the swab up the nose,
Speaker 1: which is not great, but you know what is better
Speaker 1: safe than sorry, So for sure. And I'm just glad
Speaker 1: that the show, I mean they always say the show
Speaker 1: must go on. Yeah, I'm just I'm glad that. Yeah, no, totally,
Speaker 1: And I love that it's back in the ballroom because
Speaker 1: I think if I was like I was thinking about
Speaker 1: it before you know, we got officially picked up, Like,
Speaker 1: how am I going to do this into my living room?
Speaker 1: Like it's gonna look crazy? Yeah, so I'm happy they
Speaker 1: pushed for that. Yeah, No, for sure, I totally agree
Speaker 1: with you. Um, Mike, so you you're sending a package? Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you got it so super. No, I have not gotten
Speaker 1: it yet, Mike, you got it on the breakdown right,
Speaker 1: the Bailey Blue clothing, your masks, right, your partner with
Speaker 1: them for your mask, tell us about that for I'm
Speaker 1: so I haven't gotten it yet, but I'm super excited
Speaker 1: too when there's six of them and my whole thing
Speaker 1: was okay. So I even before the pandemic, I did
Speaker 1: a live stage show in Japan and I saw, basically
Speaker 1: long story short, I saw these beautiful Japanese women walking
Speaker 1: around with like designer purses and clothes, and then they
Speaker 1: were wearing a dental mask and I was like, wait
Speaker 1: a second, this is crazy, Like why are you rooting
Speaker 1: an outfit like this is definitely an accessory, right, And
Speaker 1: it's like you wouldn't be wearing a paper bag as
Speaker 1: a purse. So it's like you need to watch what's
Speaker 1: on your face and like, let's just look cute. So
Speaker 1: I went to my agents and I was like, we
Speaker 1: should definitely come out with the line of masks. She
Speaker 1: thought I was crazy cut to you know, a series
Speaker 1: of unfortunate events obviously, and I was like, you know
Speaker 1: what this is meant to be, I'm doing this, And
Speaker 1: so I partnered with Bailey Blue and we created six
Speaker 1: masks that basically you don't swallow. So like, I don't
Speaker 1: know about you guys, but whenever I used to wear
Speaker 1: masks from whatever company, I would hal exhale, cry, laugh,
Speaker 1: I would just choke on my mask, so just ruin
Speaker 1: the moment um. So we found a way to like
Speaker 1: still be CDC approved obviously, but then still have space
Speaker 1: between like the nose in the mouth area, so that
Speaker 1: bridge here, so where you could like inhale x do
Speaker 1: you mean like running a mask dance in this, and
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be swallowing your masks. And then I was like,
Speaker 1: why not put some glitter too while we're at it.
Speaker 1: I mean that's I love that. I'm so excited because
Speaker 1: now it's gonna just like, yeah, I got you the
Speaker 1: rum By one. I definitely sent this one to that one.
Speaker 1: That's that's so pretty. Where can people on a Bailey
Speaker 1: Blue Clothing dot com Bailey Blue Clothing is a b
Speaker 1: l U yeah, or just be you Bailey Blue Bailey
Speaker 1: Blue Clothing dot Com. Also, I bought you the drive
Speaker 1: the drive mask this is obviously it's named after the
Speaker 1: dances you see on Dancing with the Stars. And then
Speaker 1: this is a mirror ball mask. It's got like a
Speaker 1: bunch of sequins on it. Que Oh, you guys have
Speaker 1: to go to the website right now. It's so cute.
Speaker 1: That stuff is so good. And Mike, I got you
Speaker 1: the song one Aware Yours. Mike got you the song
Speaker 1: the one. I love that. Um, Cheryl, thank you seriously
Speaker 1: so much, UM for just being I I just loved
Speaker 1: you from from the first second that I met you. UM.
Speaker 1: You were just always so kind and so sweet and
Speaker 1: just thanks for being open and honest and being vulnerable.
Speaker 1: And thank you guys. I love This is why I
Speaker 1: love listening to you guys, because you're so wait and
Speaker 1: you have a new podcast. To me and A J,
Speaker 1: We're like, well, I know it's gonna be called It's Me,
Speaker 1: a J and his friend, UM, and it's the three
Speaker 1: of us it's called pretty messed up. It's with my heart,
Speaker 1: pretty messed up. Okay, what is it going to be about?
Speaker 1: So our listeners can go from this one literally, so
Speaker 1: the three of us are all sober, and we're just
Speaker 1: basically talking about our journey and us always trying just
Speaker 1: to wake up and be the better version of ourselves
Speaker 1: that we could be, you know, and and along that
Speaker 1: journey it's pretty messed up. So that I mean especially
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like you can relate to that too,
Speaker 1: and the journey. What I do have one question because
Speaker 1: I'm always curious since I'm like learning new about addiction, Um,
Speaker 1: that journey? What? Because you said you don't follow a
Speaker 1: twelve step program, So I'm just curious, like how, like
Speaker 1: what was the decision to not because I know, like
Speaker 1: when Mike his twelve step program, it's like, what what's
Speaker 1: the difference in choosing to do that or choosing not
Speaker 1: to do that? Well, I I've never done a twelve
Speaker 1: step program. A j is currently in the twelve step program,
Speaker 1: but like, um, so you know, I actually I went
Speaker 1: with I had my dance coach was an alcoholic, and
Speaker 1: I went with him to a meeting and I just
Speaker 1: like from then on, I decided just to be in therapy.
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm constantly in therapy, right, So I've been
Speaker 1: doing that for like ten twelve years. And obviously when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, um, you know, I went through
Speaker 1: some child trauma, UM, being molested as a kid, and
Speaker 1: so then my mom got me into therapy and then
Speaker 1: it was my choice of being here to Los Angeles
Speaker 1: to continue it. Um. And so I don't I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know like why or I don't know the difference.
Speaker 1: I just know that this has worked for me, um,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm just taking it one day at
Speaker 1: a time. I guess, good for you, Cheryl, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: And that goes to show, I mean that it can
Speaker 1: look different for different people, because you know, that's the thing,
Speaker 1: as you learn about through recovery and being sober, it's
Speaker 1: everyone's recovery can look different, and it's it is, it
Speaker 1: is customizable, um, you know, to an extent. I also
Speaker 1: love I love the twelfth Step program. I believe everybody
Speaker 1: should do the twelf step program, whether you're an addict
Speaker 1: or not. You know, yeah, right, really need to make amends,
Speaker 1: don't we absolutely? Um? But Cheryl, seriously so proud of you.
Speaker 1: Love you. Everyone listening to podcasts, go to Billy Bailey
Speaker 1: Blue Watch Dancing with the Stars. Her and a J
Speaker 1: are going to tear up the dance floor. Cheryl, I
Speaker 1: love you, and um please don't tell Madam. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I'm playing. She's going to text him right now, absolutely
Speaker 1: to day. I love Its awesome, Cheryl. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for coming on by Cheryl. I can see why
Speaker 1: you love Cheryl so much. She's so sweet. I'm so
Speaker 1: proud of her though, that she's sober and she's living
Speaker 1: her best life right now with Matt and just I
Speaker 1: love that. I love that they're marital issues, that they're
Speaker 1: fighting for their marital issues, like obviously there's conflict like
Speaker 1: any other marriage, and they're going to therapy and they're
Speaker 1: working on it. And that's just so inspiring. And I
Speaker 1: think you should be on their new podcast. I'm just
Speaker 1: putting that out there, Daniel. But I feel like this
Speaker 1: was an amazing show and I just, yeah, I'm excited
Speaker 1: for people to listen to. You know, I wanna end
Speaker 1: it with something very topical for this podcast. Oh let's
Speaker 1: hear it. So my heart dropped during the show because
Speaker 1: I got this random text message that popped up from
Speaker 1: some weird hotmail dot com that says, how are you there?
Speaker 1: From Catherine Dalina and my my heart dropped when it came.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry for triggers that come up around this
Speaker 1: and willing to do whatever we need to do to
Speaker 1: look into this, whatever you need around it, okay, but
Speaker 1: it's scared the out of me. Appreciate you bringing it
Speaker 1: to me. It sucks, like why are it, Like are
Speaker 1: these people and why did they reach out? You know,
Speaker 1: like but so it's you know, as those of you
Speaker 1: who are avid listeners, remember you know where Jane and
Speaker 1: I handled a situation like this poorly just earlier this year,
Speaker 1: and where something came to my phone a spam picture
Speaker 1: and text mess and message similar to this, but this
Speaker 1: one doesn't have a picture, and you know I deleted
Speaker 1: it without telling Jenna because you know, my justification was,
Speaker 1: all right, I know this isn't anything. Why trigger her
Speaker 1: or bring up past when I don't have to so,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna lie. When I got it, there's
Speaker 1: that that split second in my head where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I really don't want to trigger you. I really don't
Speaker 1: want to bring this up or deal with it, to
Speaker 1: deal with it because I'm like, because you're not doing
Speaker 1: anything right. So it's just, you know, it's just it
Speaker 1: just sucks, and it sucks that I you know that
Speaker 1: I've done things in the past for for this to
Speaker 1: be triggering, but I wanted to do it on air
Speaker 1: because I mean, this is what we do, you know,
Speaker 1: this is what we talk about on this show, and
Speaker 1: this is as real time as it gets because I've
Speaker 1: literally got this during the show. Yeah, so, well, I
Speaker 1: appreciate you bringing it to me. Does suck, does bring
Speaker 1: up certain things, but you're bringing it to me, you know,
Speaker 1: is the best thing you can do, you know, because
Speaker 1: that just shows me. Yeah, so thank you. Yeah. Well, guys,
Speaker 1: on that note, we're going to have a fight and
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I totally getting no, no, I know, I
Speaker 1: super appreciate it. I swear I really do, so thank
Speaker 1: you of course. Can I delete it please? Thank you?
Speaker 1: Um yeah, so good episode ending with the bomb. But
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Be honest, be real time, because in
Speaker 1: the end, it's so much better than him deleting it
Speaker 1: and justifying or not telling me. Um, be honest, communicate
Speaker 1: I love you guys, see you next week, later