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And that's good 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: news for anyone that is confused by men, which is 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: basically everyone. It's real talk, straight from the source. How 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: Men Think podcast is exactly what we need to figure 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: them out. It's going to be fun and formative and 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: probably a bit scary at times because we're literally going 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: inside the minds of men. Listen to How Men Think 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever 18 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: you get your podcast us. I'm Katie Curic, and this 19 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: is Turnout. We started this series in the past understanding 20 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: the origin and history of our ongoing fight for voter rights, 21 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: and as we wrapped this series about an issue that 22 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: doesn't look like it's going to be solved anytime soon. 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: We want to consider its future. Where do we go 24 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: from here, what lessons can we take with us, and 25 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: what impact might this election have on our ongoing push 26 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: for a more inclusive democracy, a more perfect union. Because 27 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:42,279 Speaker 1: Americans saw up close precisely how the election system works, 28 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: what its flaws are, there's a real opportunity finally now 29 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: to mobilize around passing laws that actually shore up our 30 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: elections and protect voting rights. Leader will explore the future 31 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: of voting rights with a view of our previous guests. 32 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: But first, how do we start to understand what we 33 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: just went through? How do we put the presidential race 34 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: into context? To answer that we took a virtual trip 35 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: to Appalachia. I have very little signal. I'm in a 36 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: very mountainous area, and basically, if you're not in the 37 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: same little holler with the power, that's that's it. Greg 38 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: Cruey is a middle school social studies teacher. If you 39 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: hear my new puppy bark, I've got a dog with 40 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: we adopted with four or five months old, and it 41 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: parks at everything. And it's his job to lay a 42 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: civics foundation for our next generation of voters. To explain 43 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: our system, our elections, our democracy. I work in war 44 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: West Virginia in mcdell County with sixth, seventh, and ninth graders, 45 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: and I'm also the president of the American Federation of 46 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: Teachers in mcdell County. I'm an activist, I'm a church musician. 47 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: My husband, I'm a dog owner. Uh could go on. 48 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: McDowell County sits in the southernmost edge of West Virginia 49 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: and the central Appalachians. While it was once a center 50 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: for cold production, it's now one of the poorest areas 51 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: in the country. McDow County is a place that has 52 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: been robbed. Its natural resources were stripped away. Uh, and 53 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: it was left with very little. And I'm talking, of 54 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: course about coal. And the description I'm I'm giving probably 55 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: describes most of southern West Virginia. It's a place of 56 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: contrasts today. On the one hand, it's poor and on 57 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: the other hand it's rich. At the same time it's 58 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: it's economically depressed. It gives you kind of a rural 59 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: rust belt feel. The families are torn up by drugs. 60 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: The opioid epidemic here is horrible. Grandparents are raising kids 61 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: because the biological parents are often so strung out or 62 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: in jail or bed. The people all the weight of 63 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: worrying about how they're going to scrape by next month, 64 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: and wondering who's going to din next, either from drugs 65 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: or just a rest of poverty in their lives. On 66 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: the other hand, there's a lot of pride that people 67 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: feel about just being here and having made it in 68 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: this rugged part of Appalachia. This is a community filled 69 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: with military veterans who served their country well. It's one 70 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: of the highest rates of military service in the country. 71 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: The community is salted with little churches that are far 72 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: more concerned with loving and helping people than they are 73 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: with politics. Uh and some of the nicest, most generous, 74 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: most self deprecating people that you could ever hope to 75 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: make to live in the communities around my school. McDowell 76 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: County is home to about eighteen thousand people, the vast 77 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: majority of whom are white. I think McDow County has 78 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: one of the largest black populations in West Virginia, but 79 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: it's still only at ten or twelve percent. We're a 80 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: very white community and in elections, this community tends to 81 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: vote read. We have a very conservative community up here, 82 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: and it's historically belonged to the Democratic Party, and we're 83 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: in a transition at this point where it's becoming more 84 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: and more acceptable to switch parties and call yourself a Republican. 85 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: I tell my kids today, we think of Democrats as 86 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: being liberals and Republicans as being conservatives. But it's only 87 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: been that way in my lifetime. They're probably more registered 88 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: Democrats than there are Republicans, but of the county voted 89 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: for President Trump. I've had kids this year come in 90 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: wearing face masks that have Trump on them. Uh, and 91 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: you know that's that's cute. Uh, that there's nothing wrong 92 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: with that. They they look at me and they know 93 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: what I think, and it's it's interesting. They come in 94 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: with sumper sticker sort of views of politics, with the 95 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, the Democrats are going to take our guns, 96 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: we need to build the wall. They just they're on 97 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: the Trump train, and they'll tell you, you know, they're 98 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: on the Trump train, and it puzzles them if you 99 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: ask why, you know, they don't they don't understand that 100 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,559 Speaker 1: there's a community of people out there in other parts 101 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: of America who aren't on the Trump train. I think 102 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: that he is to get them thinking about issues, uh, 103 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: not just people. They have to understand that it requires thought, 104 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: that it's complicated. I try very hard to talk about 105 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: issues and to to divorce those issues the parties or 106 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: candidates and have them think about immigration, or think about 107 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: gun rights, so or welfare, health care, the environment, uh, 108 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: you know, and get them to see that those issues 109 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: are multifaceted and complicated. My goal is is critical thinking. 110 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to persuade somebody to believe one thing 111 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: or another. I mean, these are little kids. I just 112 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: want them to develop the skills that they need two 113 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: understand what's going on and decide what they think is 114 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: best and take part in the decision making process. But 115 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: I teach the unit every year on fact versus opinion, 116 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: and I keep it completely separate from anything that has 117 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: to do with politics. You know. I work very hard 118 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: to get my students to be able to distinguish types 119 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: of statement. Is that a statement of fact or is 120 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: that a statement of opinion? And to fill an obligation. 121 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: If they think it's a statement of fact, decide whether 122 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: or not it's true or false a statement of fact. 123 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: I tell them a thing that can be verified by 124 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: sources that reasonable people can agree on, and um, it's 125 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: their obligation if it's important to them to go find 126 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: out whether or not the statement is true. If it's 127 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: a statement of fact, they can go look that up. 128 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: If it's a statement of opinion, then it's their obligation 129 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: to decide whether or not they agree with the person's opinion. 130 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: I teach it every year and so for my kids, 131 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: repetition is the heart of learning, and they get it 132 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: three times in three years, and hopefully by the time 133 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: they leave here they can tell the difference between fact 134 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: and opinion. Mr Creuey also teaches the importance of civic 135 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: participation by example, which is why he doesn't shy away 136 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: from showing how he engages in the election process. I 137 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: had somebody comments that students should never know their teacher's 138 00:08:55,400 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: personal political views, and I find that incredibly naive. My wife, 139 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: who has a retired principle, and I are involved in 140 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: mentoring kids were part of the community. We visit their churches. 141 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: We work at a Christian camp in the summer that 142 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: many of our students go to, and they know I 143 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: have a sign in my yard and a bumper sticker 144 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: on my vehicle, you know, So the idea that I 145 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: can prevent them from figuring out who I support. I 146 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: don't think I give up the right to participate in 147 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: politics because I become a government employee and as a 148 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: social studies teacher. If I did keep it from them, 149 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: I would model exactly the opposite of what I hope 150 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: to achieve with them, which is a model participation, because 151 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: I want them to participate. And um, I don't know 152 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: how to get around that. The kids come into my 153 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: room knowing that I have a Biden sticker on my vehicle, 154 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: and they look at me and they say, do you 155 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: really support Vice President Biden? And uh, I say, well, 156 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, the question is who do you support and 157 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: why do you feel that way? Let's talk about it. 158 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: And I try and turn the tables on them and 159 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: make them develop the skills to articulate why they like somebody. 160 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: And if their answer is I like President Trump because 161 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: mom and did like President Trump, that's good enough, you know. 162 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: And I try my best to affirm that in them. 163 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: I don't I don't detigrate that at all. I try 164 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: my best never to be disrespectful of the president, because 165 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: I don't think that gets me anywhere, and I don't 166 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: think it's professional. I'm not trying to shake personal political 167 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: opinions at the moment so much as I'm working on 168 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: a set of skills, and these kids are going to 169 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: be in school for another five or six years and 170 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: that chance to shake those skills. I'm laying a foundation 171 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: that I hope somebody in high school will pick up 172 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: and you know, build on. I have to keep that 173 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: perspective of do these kids know what they need to 174 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: know or have the skills that they need to have 175 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: to participate. The kids whose situation in life is the worst, 176 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: the disenfranchised, the people who the economic development policy and 177 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: decisions by local government are going to help or hurt 178 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: them the most, and yet they don't know how to 179 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: take part to participate. Those are the people that hurt 180 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: the most if we if we don't have adequate social 181 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: studies instruction. But Mr Cruey says, as a middle school 182 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: teacher in one of the poorest regions of the country, 183 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: civics vocabulary and lessons on the importance of voting often 184 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: take a back seat to more immediate concerns. I'm a 185 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: first responder to poverty, so I go to school and 186 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: I deal with students because they need care. If on 187 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: top of that they understand academics, that's an added bonus. 188 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: But without the foundation of them knowing that they're cared 189 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: for and that the somebody is concerned about their welfare, 190 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: you don't get any of the other stuff. And you know, 191 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: we're looking for a way to shape strong adults. If 192 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: they don't feel loved, if they don't have a good 193 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: self image, if they don't make it to adulthood, it 194 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You know that that's the goal. The goal 195 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: is to produce strong, healthy adults. That was Greg Cruey, 196 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: middle school social studies teacher from war West Virginia, coming 197 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: up the biggest takeaways from the election and their impact 198 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: on the future of voting rights. After thirty years, it's 199 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: time to return to the halls of West Beverly High 200 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: and hang out at the peach pit. On the podcast 201 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: nine O two one OMG joined Jenny Garth and Tory 202 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: Spelling for a rewatch of the hit series Beverly Hills 203 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: nine O two one oh. 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I'm 233 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: Ev Rodsky, author of the New York Times bestseller fair 234 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: Play and Find your Unicorn Space, activists on the gender 235 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: division of labor, attorney and family mediator. And I'm Dr 236 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: adding A Rucar, a Harvard physician and medical correspondent with 237 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: an expertise and the science of stress, resilience, mental health 238 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: and burnout. We're so excited to share our podcast Time Out, 239 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Podcasts and Hell of Sunshine. We're 240 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: uncovering why society makes it so hard for women to 241 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: treat their time with the value it deserves. So take 242 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: this time out with us. Listen to Time Out, a 243 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: fair Play podcast on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, 244 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Now that the presidential 245 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: race is behind us well almost, And with that modicum 246 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: of hindsight, I wanted to get a sense of this election, 247 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: of its place in our voting history, its potential impact 248 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: on democracy, and what lessons we might glean from it. 249 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: So we decided to check in with some of our 250 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: previous guests. My name is Wendy Wiser. I am Vice 251 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: President for a Democracy at the Brendan Center for Justice 252 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: at n y U Law School. This election was a 253 00:15:52,640 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: really unprecedented election in multivle dimensions. First, and happily, we 254 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: have an unprecedented level of voter turnout. More Americans voted 255 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: in this election than in any other election in American 256 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: history um in the highest percentage and over a century UM. 257 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: And that is great news for democracy. The more people participate, 258 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: the stronger our democracy. We conducted an election during a 259 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: once in a century pandemic that obviously created serious and 260 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: unprecedented challenges. UM. It changed the way many Americans voted 261 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: across the entire country in a really short time frame, 262 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: and we successfully accomplished that election under such challenging circumstances. 263 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: If we look at how we voted, we we voted 264 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: in new ways and in that way, our election was unprecedented. 265 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: We had a huge surge in absentee and mail voting, 266 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: and a huge surge in early voting, Americans voting before 267 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: election day, so we spread out the election process. Americans 268 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: took advantage of all the different options available to them, 269 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: and so that was really new and we were able 270 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: to accomplish that and that massive change again in a 271 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: short period of time. It was unprecedented in some negative 272 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: ways as well. We did see a huge surge in 273 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: efforts at voter suppression, targeting voters, trying to make it 274 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: harder for specific groups, particularly black and brown voters, to 275 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: participate in the election. We saw a surge, not as 276 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: much as was feared, of people actually trying to interfere 277 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: with the voting process and disenfranchise voters at the polls 278 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: on election day and during the early voting period. The 279 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: other thing that was really unprecedented was the push by 280 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: the campaign of the President of the United States and 281 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: those working with him both to undermine the integrity of 282 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: the election and to try to make it harder for 283 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: eligible Americans to vote, or even too after the fact, 284 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: disenfranchised eligible Americans who did participate in the election. And 285 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: that is not only unprecedented, but shocking and ongoing and 286 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: something we've not seen anything remotely like it before in 287 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: American history. I am Guilded Daniels. I'm an associate professor 288 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: at the University of Baltimore School of Law. I'm also 289 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 1: litigation director at Advancement Project National Office, and the author 290 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: of Uncounted, The Crisis of Voter Suppression in America. The 291 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: fact that we had more than a hundred and fifty 292 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: million vote in almost eighty million people voted for one candidate, 293 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: UH is a founding because we thought that the system 294 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: would break under the weight of people actually doing what 295 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: the what we're supposed to do, which is actually vote. 296 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: We don't anticipate that people will participate at the levels 297 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: that they should, right, and so that's why you have 298 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: long lines, because you don't have enough machines, you don't 299 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: have enough workers, you don't have enough balance, those kinds 300 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: of things. So if we could, if we could raise 301 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: our expectations. One of things I've learned my children is 302 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: that they rise to the level of my expectations. So 303 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: I think if we raise our expectations, I think we 304 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: will have a we would have a better system. I'm 305 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: Tyler Okaykave goot At sixteen, you the organizer with Power California, 306 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: and a second year student at the University of Chicago 307 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: studying public policy. In this election, we saw that it 308 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: seemed like across the board there was this pushing enthusiasm 309 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: behind getting more people to vote. We saw it from corporations, 310 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: we saw it from non governmental agencies, grass freet organizations 311 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: like ours. But my fear moving forward is that will 312 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: we continue to keep this emphasis and access to the 313 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: ballot and um the provision of the right to vote 314 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: to everyone. Will we keep this energy up when maybe 315 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: the states aren't in the favor of the corporations that 316 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: are invested or the organizations that are invested in the 317 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: elections somewhere another. However, when it comes to the policies 318 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: that states like California and other progressive states adopted on voting, 319 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: I think they will continue to be major pushes around 320 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: how we make the ballot more accessible. I think that 321 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,239 Speaker 1: mail in ballot will continue to be a constant. I 322 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: think that ballot drop off boxes will continue to be 323 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: a constant. I think even we'll be having more conversations 324 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: about how we digitize and make more of these themes accessible, 325 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: and I think the coronavirus pandemic has allowed us a 326 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: testing ground for many of these avenues to the ballot 327 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: that weren't explored before. And I'm hopeful to see how 328 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: how well we can expand how we allow people access 329 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: to the ballot box, but also how we have conversations 330 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: about how to vote in the procedure around voting. I 331 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: think this election has really created a culture around voting 332 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: and civic particip patient that I that I know will continue. 333 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: But like I said, my anxieties are around um the 334 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: buying that corporations have, which we've seen is usually in 335 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: alignment with their economic interests at all times. One of 336 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: the takeaways from this election is that it took way 337 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:21,719 Speaker 1: too much mobilization outside of government just to shore up 338 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: the basic right to vote. We did not invest sufficiently 339 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: in our election, and we came very perilously close to 340 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: not being able to provide an opportunity for everybody to 341 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: vote safely, and to a situation where there could have 342 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 1: been widespread election meltdowns. If we didn't have that mobilization 343 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: of resources and support from outside of government, we could 344 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: have had a real disaster on our hands. And it 345 00:21:54,880 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: also took way too much just to ensure that america 346 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: kins knew their voting rights and had those voting rights protected. 347 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: And we're not thwarted by unfair obstacles that are still 348 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: there in our election laws, um and that can still 349 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: be taken advantage of by those who want to thwart 350 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: voter participation. Coming out of this election, we need to 351 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: invest more in our elections because we cannot count on 352 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: this level of mobilization and public propping up of the 353 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: election system that we saw this year in our future elections. 354 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that is unusual. That was it was a 355 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: great show of patriotism and support for our democracy. But 356 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: we cannot demand that from Americans every election just to 357 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: be able to have free and fair elections and to 358 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: continue as a functioning democracy. And we need to shore 359 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: up our voting rights laws and our voting rights protections 360 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: because if we don't restore the critical protections of the 361 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: Voting Rights Act, which are there to prevent discrimination in 362 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: the voting system, if we don't actually create a baseline 363 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: set of voting rules and voting protections for every American 364 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: so that people can conveniently access the voting system, there 365 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: will be continued manipulation of the system to target voters 366 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: for disenfranchisement unless we clear these are not targeted at 367 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: every voter. In this election, we saw extreme and blatant 368 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: targeting of African American and other voters of color for disenfranchisement, 369 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: both before the election and in the post election disputes. 370 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: This cannot be acceptable in our voting system going forward. 371 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: The biggest takeaway that I think we can take from 372 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: this election is that it's more than one day. That 373 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: it's the work that has to be done months before, 374 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: even years before, that enabled us to have this large 375 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: voter turnout, and that the fight continues. It's about giving 376 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: people the ability to vote early, to vote by mail, 377 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: to vote curbside too, you know, for persons who are 378 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: returning citizens, are formally incarcerated persons um to to vote. 379 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: It's it's it was about laying that groundwork months before, 380 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: years before, to try to make sure that access was 381 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: a possibility and that people could utilize the right. And 382 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: it's the work that happens after election day, work that 383 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: we have to do as citizens and ensuring that the 384 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: folks are representing us right. And it's like we still 385 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: need to be contacting congress persons even though this is 386 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: a lame duck session. So what I'm hopeful that we've 387 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: got out of this election season that that is indeed 388 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: a season and not just an election day, that the 389 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: work goes on, you know, before, during, and afterwards to 390 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: make sure that this democracy works to its fullest potential. 391 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: We should be under no illusions that all as well 392 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: in the country right now, and there's so much work 393 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: to be done. So as long as we continue to 394 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: say that we care for our communities and that we're 395 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: invested in political change, it means that we're involved in 396 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: this work all the time, and even beyond voting. Right 397 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: So if you can't vote, if the next opportunity to 398 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: vote will be in two years, there are things that 399 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: you can do to build power and to continue to 400 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: educate people around you so that they're prepared to make 401 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: critical decisions when it comes to voting or when it 402 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: comes to running for office one day. Maybe, but I think, um, 403 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: we should always stay focused on the material conditions in 404 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: our communities, and I would say, as of right now, 405 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: they have yet to change or get better, and that's 406 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: something that we need to focus on. We're going to 407 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: take a short break, but when we come back, Hope. Yep, 408 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: you heard it, Hope. Are you an architect, contractor, or 409 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: engineer looking for more knowledge about energy efficiency. Here's your 410 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: opportunity to fuel your future. PGNs Energy Centers offer more 411 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: than five hundred free online classes. 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The sheer number of people 439 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: not only that showed their belief in that vision and 440 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: in that system, but that we're willing to sort of 441 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: mobilize and dedicate resources and time to realize that and 442 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: to make sure it happens in the face of so 443 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: many threats this year. Is a strength that gives me 444 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: a lot of hope for our ability to fix it 445 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: going forward, and I think that we can't let up. 446 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: This was not just one election. Those threats are still present, 447 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: those ideals and it and strategies are now going to 448 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: be deployed by others in the future, and we can't 449 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: let up until we put in place much more solid 450 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: guard rails in the system to prevent its undermining and 451 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: to ensure that every eligible American has a fair opportunity 452 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: to participate conveniently and without discrimination. What makes me hopeful 453 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: is my children, because I think they were engaged at 454 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: a level that I certainly was not engaged at that age, 455 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: So they certainly make me hopeful. And young people in general, right, 456 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: and that I called it moving from protest to power, 457 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: that they moved from the protests of the spring in 458 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,959 Speaker 1: the summer over the murders of Brianna Taylor Man are 459 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: very and Um and George Floyd to going to the 460 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: voting booth because they actually young people actually turned out 461 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: in high levels as well. So it wasn't just about 462 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: Democrats and Republicans. It was about groups of people who 463 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: generally don't participate who turned out to vote. And I 464 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: think that that is certainly what makes me hopeful, and 465 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that it that it continues beyond certainly November three. 466 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: Where I pulled from is how people have really sat 467 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: down and reconsidered how they think about race relations in 468 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: this country. I think with the contradictions that we've seen 469 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: with the coronavirus pandemic, um seeing that people are not 470 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: able to have a stable access to food, stable access 471 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: to housing, stable access to their jobs, this moment where 472 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: every two years were in a moment of depression and chaos, 473 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: I think that's something that people are really sitting down 474 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: and interrogating, and I'm hoping that that analysis that people 475 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: are making privately leads to a shift in political convictions 476 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to also how we vote, but more importantly, 477 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,479 Speaker 1: how we advocate and what our expectations are of our 478 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: political leaders. You know, the racial reckoning that we've had 479 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: with the response to police brutality, as well as the 480 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: contradictions that the coronavirus pandemic has shown to both our 481 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: systems and economy is what's going to keep people critical 482 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: and also keep people focused on building a stronger, more 483 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: resilient future. Although we had to have more than a 484 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million people cast, but allots. We certainly 485 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: had a higher person image of turnout at six but 486 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: that's sixty that's better than we've done in the past. 487 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: But why don't we have turnout or nine percent turnout? 488 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,959 Speaker 1: My ultimate goal is universal suffrage. I'm not happy with 489 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: six turned out and right now in this country, we 490 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: do not have a system where people can register on 491 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: the same day, same day. Voter registration should be universal 492 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: in this country. Right this idea that if you don't 493 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: register thirty days before the election, then you can't participate. 494 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: That's a long awaiting period. Then we have for someone 495 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: to get a gun. So we still have these rules 496 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: that just don't make sense. If we're going to have 497 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: a democracy, then the vote has to be central and 498 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: the ability for people to access the vote has to 499 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: be made easier. And I think, you know, I'll continue 500 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: to work until that until that happens. That was professor 501 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: and author Gilda Daniels. You also heard Tyler Okk of Howard, California, 502 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: and Wendy Wiser of the Brennan Center for Justice. And 503 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: thank you one more time to Greg Cruey, who, by 504 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: the way, we found through a fantastic article in the 505 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: Washington Post, written by education reporter Hannah Natanson. Listeners, turn 506 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: Out maybe ended, but the fight for voting rights goes on. 507 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: To find out how you can help, check out the 508 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: description of the episode you're listening to right now, where 509 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: you'll find links to all of our guests their organizations, 510 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: as well as related and helpful books and articles. 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Turnout is 520 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Media and Katie Curic Media. 521 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: The executive producers are Katie Curic and Courtney Littz, Supervising 522 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: producers Lauren Hansen. Associate producers Derek Clements, Eliza Costas, and 523 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: Emily Pento. Editing by Derreck Clements and Lauren Hansen. Mixing 524 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: by Derrick Clements. Our researcher is Gabriel Loser and special 525 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: thanks to my right hand woman, Adriana Fasio. Meanwhile, yes, 526 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: I'm Katie Couric. Thanks so much for listening. Everyone. We'll 527 00:33:52,480 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: see you next time. 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