WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 021222 Let's Improve Race Relations with Asian People ft. Pineapple Lawyer Amy Owen Part 2 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:00.920 And now. 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:05.040 Watch move my my back. 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:11.160 You're like that, we can strikes with waters from headquarters 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:13.560 behind him the belt in the borders. 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:15.600 Now, if you're just tuning into civic tach, Aron'm your host, 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:20.080 Fansais josh I go by the nan. This indeed Pineapple 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:23.560 Lawyers with us today aka Amy Owen, co counsel with 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.760 the civil rights attorney Stole and Field Freedman. All right, 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:31.280 Stolen Freeman, and we are talking about well, really we're 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:35.120 standing in solidarity with our Asian American UH and Pacific 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:39.239 Islander brothers and sisters, and now it is time to 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:46.320 become a better ally. So I'm talking to black people. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:55.400 But if you have empathy, beating heart, and you love 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:01.400 it when we all get along a little bit better, 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:03.760 then you can do the same. But I want you 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.080 to follow some social media accounts to give you a 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:12.240 glimpse into what it's like, what it's like to be 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:16.440 fully tapped into the goings on for our Asian American 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.280 and Pacific Islander brothers and sisters. Some of these social 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:25.319 media accounts include Asians Never Die that's on Instagram. Another 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:29.840 one that's on Instagram is Fighting Asian Hate. Those two 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.560 are two that we follow on our social media accounts 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.560 civic ciphers, So if you forget these, check out our 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:41.360 account and follow who we follow. Next Shark at Next 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.240 Shark is another one, and that's a website that we've 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:48.720 referenced a lot so far in the show. And then 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:54.160 there's a song that features Rocket Iris Science of the 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.240 Dilated Peoples, who also is my older brother who's also 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:03.320 half Korean and the de facto producer of this show. 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.240 He gave us a lot to talk about and unfortunate 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.120 we're gonna have to put some more stuff in some 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:14.480 other episodes. But the song is the lyrics Born Anti Remix. 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:18.640 It features Cutso Bohan, Phoenix, Lb shing O two and 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.919 of course Iris Science Raka of Dilated People's. The song 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.079 is to a boost to boost awareness and love and 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:30.760 it really reflects what's going on in the Asian community 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:35.960 and with the Asian experience. So again the Lyrics Born 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.720 Anti Remix. Be sure to get that, check it out 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:43.520 and follow those accounts. Now, a couple of things before 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:48.280 I bring us to where we need to be. We 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.000 need to finish all this in the last part of 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:57.400 the show. But there was another post uh. This one 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:01.919 came from the New York Post, and it was how 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:05.600 a deranged man pushed an Asian woman to her death 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:10.120 at the Times Square subway station. He was kind of 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.880 suffering from some mental illness or something. It's assumed because 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.040 he was saying that he did it because he's God, 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:21.480 and that this woman took his jacket. And I don't believe, 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.000 based on the story that they had any contact prior 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.800 to him pushing her into the in front of the subway. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:28.440 There was someone else he was going to push, and 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.160 then he just that woman got away, and then he 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:35.080 pushed this other woman who happened to be Asian. No 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.960 matter which way you tell yourself these stories, the fact 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.240 remains is that this community is hurting, and when we 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.080 were hurting, they stood with us. Doesn't matter whose fault 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:47.000 you think it is, right, I think it's our fault. 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.240 We need to have these hard conversations and our homes. 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:54.640 As black people, we need to challenge what issues or 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.240 prejudices exist in our homes. If we're going to ask 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.320 white folks to challenge their prejudices, we need to be 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.120 willing to put that same energy in right. And then 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.000 if you have a problem with that statement, you can 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.280 talk to me. Normally, I don't want to talk to anybody, 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:10.160 but that time you can now one thing that raka 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.240 iras Science did mention to me. Before we move on, 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.479 I just want to tag this is that Asians in 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:22.400 jail in California, Asian people roll with black people in jail. Right, 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:27.159 So this isn't This isn't something that is a hard 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.520 line written into the cultures. It's not genetic, it's not 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:38.000 buried in our DNA. Somewhere. Asian people often find community 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:42.400 and solidarity with black folks. There's tons of examples of that. 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:46.440 If you just open your eyes and see we have, 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.680 you know that it works way more often than it 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:51.960 doesn't work. Now, that's not We're not going to ignore 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:56.120 the roots of the divide between our two communities. We 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:57.560 will talk about that when we get to the way 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:02.040 black history fact. But it works more often than it doesn't. 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.360 In other words, we share. You know, Amy's here with us. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.760 Amy is a good friend of ours, She's she's she's 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:13.200 a lawyer that I've trusted many times over many years 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:22.240 with all of my legal affairs of attorneys. So yeah, 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:28.359 also by fighting amongst ourselves, I think that what we 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:33.680 end up doing is fortifying white supremacy or white supremacist institutions, 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.120 and those things needed to be said. But you know, 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.640 my brother told me that. And again my brother is 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:43.960 his mother is a Korean immigrant, so he has that 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.000 perspective of being a black man but also being half Korean. 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:51.240 We share the same father. We're full brothers. That's how 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.520 we treat each other. But you know, his mother is 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:55.000 different from my mother. But I know his mother. His 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.840 mother's changed my diapers too. So anyway, I want to 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:03.720 move on. Now, let's talk about Aquafina. 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:06.440 Mm hmmm, Q. 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:10.320 You heard about this right, bring us up to speed. 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:17.159 So Aquafina has been receiving some heat for her. 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:21.320 I don't know the proper way to categorize the the 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:25.400 accent or caricature of the way that black people speak 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:30.880 that I think that people think she's. 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.479 Hm hmm maybe misappropriating the culture. 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.360 You said that as appropriately as possible. 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.279 Yes, that's what attorneys do. We try to get the 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:40.480 right words there, and. 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:46.560 She's been she's been receiving some backlash for that. I 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:51.080 have so many thoughts on everything that we're discussing. I 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:57.160 won't give it all now, no, please please, I'm this 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:11.440 divide and conquered thing. White supremacists have brilliantly executed a dividing, 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:22.360 conquer plan that is thriving for multiple lifetimes. Now, I'm 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:27.280 listening to you say this, and it's so obviously true 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:31.240 that we have so much more in common than what 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:37.720 divides and separates us. But they have so masterfully caused 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:41.920 us to focus on our differences and use those very 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:47.240 very small differences to divide us that it keeps us 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:52.440 from ever really becoming this. And people listening to my 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.760 voice can't see me balling up my fist, not in 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.200 a way that's violent, but in a way that's uniting. 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:02.520 All these separate people from all these separate cultures, all 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:12.080 these separate religions, all these separate socio political positions, separate backgrounds. 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:16.200 Together could be so powerful, so strong, and share so 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:21.680 much love. But we have been so expertly torn into 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.440 pieces and torn apart from one another that it keeps 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:30.840 us weak, worrying, and divided. And I have to say, 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:37.600 looking at these videos, Ramses, I've been so disappointed. And 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:39.280 I mean that in a way that when we talk 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.400 about our sons and when we talk about our kids, 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:43.760 and they do some things that we know that they 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:48.679 know better than I've watched them as like a disappointed parent. 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:52.120 In a way, it's the same emotion, like man, you're 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:56.360 so much better than that. We're so much better than that. 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:01.080 Let me add two into it. There's people filming two 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:03.760 in some of these videos, are people filming. 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:07.760 It and not interacting, like as if they're just like 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.440 as if they're as if they're like we are right now, 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.640 like how we're on the other side of the screens 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.080 and can't do anything but look at each other, like 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:17.160 to it. 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.120 Like that woman who jumped in on the subway, Yeah 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.040 she was a hero who got beat up, But these 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:24.680 other people who are filming it are just. 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:28.200 Like huh to not intervene in some of these cases, 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.880 it's just as disgusting. Now I recognize that in this 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.920 social media era, in this smart camera phone era, a 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.440 lot of people feel like by filming, I'm doing my 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:43.360 part right and in the way that photographers and journalists 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.400 did their part by exposing what was going on in 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.400 Vietnam two people back here in America. Once people could 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:52.720 see it, and once people made it real, it got 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:56.160 a response from people back here who weren't witnessing your firsthand. 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.680 So as with George Floyd's murder, right, if we don't 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.720 see that video, we know for fact that the response 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:05.720 around the country and around the world isn't the same. 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.959 Because we saw it. Because we had to watch it, 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:11.360 the impact was felt in a much greater way than 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.559 it would have otherwise. So I understand that some people 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:17.880 think that by filming they're somehow doing their part. But 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.360 at some point your human being has to kick back 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.640 in and let's do something and try to prevent some 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.439 of these haineous things from happening. Now, I have to 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:29.600 understand and know and acknowledge some people are afraid, right, 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.200 And I won't call it cowardice. I'll just call it fear. 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.480 Some people think that by interacting they could be harmed, 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.960 maybe even killed. But sometimes we can't just be audience 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.800 to our brothers and sisters being brutalized in front of us. 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.720 I agree with that, But I also do feel like 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.800 with the advent of the smartphone and all of the 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:57.840 ability to film these actions, that's what is bringing all 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:02.520 of the change about right now. Linda Friedman, who is 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:06.120 the partner at the law firm that I'm co counseling with, 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.440 out of Chicago. She says that all the time. She says, 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:15.440 these videos and the camera phones are what is changing 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:20.160 the landscape of racism and the landscape of these corporations 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.640 who have up until this point sometimes gotten away with 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:27.920 doing horrible things to people of color. So, while I 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.600 agree with you Q that you know, we have a 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:35.079 bigger duty to sometimes step in, sometimes just filming these 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:40.320 acts is actually a huge help towards the movement as well. 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.480 So I just don't want to discount that, and I'm 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.400 not saying that you are trying to discount it at all, 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.520 but I do want to make the point that I 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:52.240 feel that people who are filming these things are absolutely 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.880 a huge part of the change as well. 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:57.720 Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:02.600 Now let me make sure that I flesh this Aquafina 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:11.720 thing out. So she quit Twitter. First off, from what 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.640 I understand, she's a lovely woman. Right, she quit Twitter, 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:23.439 and I'll say it because she was bullied. Right, Black 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.199 people were giving her a hard time because of what 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:36.640 they were calling her black scent. Right, she is from 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.640 Queen's she grew up around black and she's a rapper. 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:45.280 You know. I talk about him all the time on 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:49.600 the show Bootleg keV. Bootleg keV learned how to talk 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:54.000 from me. I've known Kevin since he was three years old, right, 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.520 and I was his big brother his whole life still am. 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.439 So if I do something and it's cool, he wants 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:03.560 to do it right, very very heavily influenced by me. 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.559 And you can google this white man who is thriving 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.920 in a black environment, and people try to throw words 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.040 like this at him all the time, as though he 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.680 is somehow taking this accent and putting it into his 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.040 mouth and then he takes it out when he gets 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:27.920 home or something. And this is what I believe people 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.720 were thinking about Aquafina. People that didn't do any research 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:36.280 and people who just want to bully. That is not 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:40.280 going to get us anywhere, that is, especially if we're 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:45.520 bullying each other. She is someone who celebrated black culture, 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.840 partaken in black culture, and has brought black culture to 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.559 a movie where the full cast. 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.920 Is Chinese, crazy, rich Asians. Correct. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.480 Sure. And then there was another one. I believe it 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:02.440 was a Marvel movie too. She was the one that 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.959 was supposed to have some like flavor and comedy or whatever, 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:07.520 and that's really who she is. 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:11.400 She's being genuine to herself, thank you, And she's still 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.440 being called out for putting on. 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.760 And somebody needs to say that. Somebody needs to say that. 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.640 How does she? So she grows up and realizes, wait 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.840 a minute, I'm Asian. I shouldn't talk like how I've 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.960 been talking since I started talking, right, I should learn 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:28.400 how to sound Asian now? 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:29.080 So unfair? 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:30.960 Right? Absolutely. 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.960 I was adopted and raised by a white family, So 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.720 the way that I speak sometimes is very proper and 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.640 very white, and sometimes people say things like, oh, you're 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.640 so well spoken. I can't change the way that I 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.360 talk like I couldn't talk like Aquafina because I didn't 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.680 grow up in Queens. I grew up in Washington State 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:55.000 and Utah around white people. So it's really sad that 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:59.680 she's being called out and people are trying to accuse 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.760 her of not being herself when she's being her complete, one, 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:04.720 genuine self. 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.200 That is really really sort Let me let me read 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.880 through this. So to your point, if I grow up 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:14.920 around Canadian people or Vietnamese people or Muslim you know, 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:19.440 uh Iraqi people, and I end up having an Iraqi accent, 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:25.360 you know it doesn't really you can't accuse me of 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:30.760 appropriating the culture right, certain things can be cultural without 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:35.280 being cultural cultural appropriation. Culture is something that human beings 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.920 share in groups. Right that it doesn't matter what color 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:40.880 you are. That now you're starting to talk about things 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.760 like race. You know. Culture is something that you share language, food, 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.160 you know, et cetera. If someone grows up in your 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.880 house and they don't look like you, well guess what 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:51.640 They're going to get a heavy dose of your culture. 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:53.640 And if they grow up with it, that is the culture, 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:57.160 that's the base programming that they have. That's it, that's 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.760 the lens through which they see the world. They will 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:04.480 learn later that their skin may not reflect that, but 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.280 imagine how confusing that might be if people are attacking 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:13.840 them for what they got. Honestly, I'll continue she okay, 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:18.360 So Aquafina she started rapping at thirteen. She came out 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.360 with an album I believe it was called Yellow Ranger. 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:23.600 This is a direct quote from her. As a non 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.920 black person of color, I stand by the fact that 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.640 I will always listen and work tirelessly to understand the 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:34.680 history and context of I believe it's African American vernacular English. 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:42.760 Aave what is deemed appropriate or backwards toward progress of 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.840 any and every marginalized group. That was what she put 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.600 on Twitter, and then she followed it up but saying, 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.760 but I must emphasize to mock, belittle, or be unkind 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.160 in any way possible at the expense of others is 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.760 simply period, not period, My period nature period. It never 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.760 has been and never was, or sorry it never has 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.760 it never was. So this is her actual statement, right, 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.720 So she's saying, look, I'm with you. I met no offense, 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.359 you know, but she can't say because it'll sound like 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.919 an excuse. Hey, this is how I talk. This is 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:14.720 how I talk. But I could say it because I 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:18.080 know it right, And I'll leave you with this shout 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.960 out to Raka Taylor one time, because he says, look, 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:27.560 if we're giving up Aquafina, then we have to give 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:32.760 back the riza, the jizz old, dirty bastard, inspect the deck, 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.760 ray Kwana Chef. You've got ghost Face killer and the 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.159 method Man and capa Donna while you're playing around, and 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:42.840 the killer bees and killer Army, the whole Wu Tang. 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.000 You know all that Shaolin is an actual place. It's 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.159 an actual temple, a holy sacred temple. You want to 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.920 talk about cultural appropriation, where we just borrow a little 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:54.960 bit when it's convenient and give it back when we 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.560 don't want it. Let's talk about Wu Tang. Everybody that 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.000 has a problem with aquafina, go look at Wu Tang, 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.600 right and then if you still have a problem, come 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:06.440 see me. But I don't think you will. All right, 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:07.160 let me move on. 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.159 I never even thought of that he did. 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:15.800 That was, wasn't it. Listen, Let's talk about Hawai. You 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:17.840 remember Sons of Man when you were shouting out the 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:21.720 entire sons of Man too. Okay, there's there's a there's 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.040 a few of them right. That's that was a whole 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:28.280 That is a whole movement that Wu Tang is forever forever. Listen, 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:30.680 all right, I don't care how young you are. You 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:32.680 know exactly who Wu Tang plan is. So don't don't 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.119 pretend like you don't. And if we nobody wants to 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.280 give back Wu Tang clan, you know, method man is 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.720 still getting All of them are still getting money. Shout 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:41.680 out to Kapa Donna, Shout out to Queen Nay. 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.560 I think needs to be let back in for sure. 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:47.080 I don't think she's gonna get put as long as 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.240 the right people say the right things is if you 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.359 feel the way that you should feel, which is okay, 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.280 we got to draw the line somewhere. Then it might 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:56.960 not be the worst thing in the world to have 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.240 that conversation when it comes up in front of people 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.320 who might not have that perspective. 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.560 Go ahead, Q, And I'm sure we're going to talk 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:08.600 about this on another show. But I see a lot 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.720 of us defending mister Rogan. 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:13.840 If we're going to jump to Joe Rogan's. 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:20.919 Defense, we must defend a thank you all costs. 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:25.399 Yes, indeed, now let me let me flip this on 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.560 its head, this aquafina thing. All right, This is another 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:32.000 video from Next Shark again. Check them out. You know 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:35.800 when when our Mexican brothers and sisters, when they were 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.840 hurting because this that old president was saying, build the wall, 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:40.639 and they were afraid for what would happen to them 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:42.840 and their family members, and then they were kids in 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:47.080 cages and the optics and the feeling surrounding their life. 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:51.960 You know, the heaviness of that was happening. This this 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.800 is something similar that's happening to our Asian brothers and 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.720 Asian American and Pacific Island brothers and sisters, and we 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.760 need to keep that same energy, all of us, even 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:04.880 Mexican all we all in We all in it together. Right. 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:10.240 So next Shark, New York based rapper, I don't even 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:14.479 want to say her name was battling. Uh, I have 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:18.920 to say this name. The name is Nounchi Chinks. Right 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:23.239 on December fourth, when she delivered this line, okay yea. 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.560 For those familiar with battle rapping, you basically insult the 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:30.119 person that you're battling. Right, the line says, quote, you 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.640 are a lame disgrace. Should have played it safe. Now 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.760 I could get Chinks beaten in the street for no reason. 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:41.000 Then hashtag stop Asian hate. And the word Chinks was 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:43.560 referring to the name. But she used it sort of 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:45.959 as a double entendre because as you know, and I 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:50.080 can't say it now, that word that I said, which 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:52.720 was the name of this other person, is also used 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:57.640 as a slur for Asian people. It's it's it's it's 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:02.440 weird because she she was doing a double entendre there, 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:03.200 but anything. 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:05.000 And what makes us so bad is that when she 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:08.160 says and then I can hashtag stop Asian hate, she's 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:12.360 alluding to the fact that people are jumping on and saying, hey, 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.440 let's stop agent hate, and they can pretend that they're 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:18.879 on the side of the Asian brothers and sisters who 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:22.160 are fighting for the same rights. But she was being oh. 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:26.560 She was being negative towards super flagrant here. Let's watch this. So, 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.399 while it's typical and a battle rap for two participants 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:34.239 to exchange it insults do this rapper I don't even 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:37.159 want to say her name. The line spark criticism on 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.239 social media. It's worth noting that her opponent, despite her 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:45.080 rapper name, is not Asian. Right, So there is a 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:49.199 rapper named Chinks Drugs. He spells it chi in X. 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:54.200 That's just his name. And then there's this other rapper again. 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:56.520 I don't even want to say her name again because 0:21:56.720 --> 0:22:00.880 it's not spelled differently, so it might even I don't know, 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:07.600 but let's see, despite her rapper name is not a Asian. Okay, quote, 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:10.919 I flipped the derogatory name for Asians. Eh, I get it, 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:14.680 But I don't know anything not offensive about battle rap. 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.960 That's why I didn't get into it sooner. They certainly 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:19.920 took me wrong. In quote. This is what she said 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:23.800 on Twitter She also accused Asians of being racist by 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:28.760 referring to alleged actions by the Chinese government. Huh, and 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:34.240 she says after COVID they wouldn't let Africans into places 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:39.480 in China. They were wildly openly racist. You're right, and 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.560 that's real life, not battle rap. So basically she doubled 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:45.080 down on this. She tried to make a case for no. 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:49.760 I should be able to say this right now, everybody 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:53.200 has a problem with Aquafina. I want you to take 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:55.760 a good look at this lady right here. I didn't 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:57.280 say her name, so it might be tough for you 0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:58.240 to look her up well. 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:00.399 And the issue I have with it, she's saying that 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:04.720 she flipped the derogatory word for Asians, but she's not 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:09.040 Asian herself. So just right, So just like you know 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:11.800 a lot of people have that same argument with the 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:15.840 N word, correct, And you know black people have to 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:19.040 some degree taken that word and try to take the 0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:22.159 derogatory meaning from it and make their own meaning. But 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:25.000 this woman is a black woman who took a derogatory 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:27.960 word for an Asian person and is trying to say 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:29.639 that she flipped it. I don't think it works. 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:32.879 And she's trying to doubling down. It's it's it's sad, 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:37.399 and we need to hold our own accountable. Far be 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:41.920 it from us to charge white folks with policing their 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:45.840 language or you know, having some sort of tact when 0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:48.600 they speak. If we can't do it ourselves. 0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:50.600 It'd be interesting to have her on the show and 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:53.840 have her explain how she thinks that she was allowed 0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:55.119 to flip it. 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:57.480 It would be interesting. But you know, I try my 0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:01.159 best not to give bad people a stage, So I 0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:03.160 will cross that bridge when we come to it. Now 0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:06.280 it is time for the Way Black History Fact, and 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:07.760 then I'm gonna throw it to YouTube because I know 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:12.120 you're bottled up over there, but we're gonna peel black 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:14.240 some layers here. So Today's Way Black History Fact. This 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:19.119 comes from vox, all right. What isn't new in times 0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:21.960 of anti Asian sentiment is the focus on relationships between 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.480 black and Asian communities. Many of the attacks that have 0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:27.880 gained widespread attention have featured black assailants and have threatened 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:31.280 to inflame tensions between Asian Americans and Black Americans. While 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:34.600