Speaker 1: And now.
Speaker 2: Watch move my my back.
Speaker 3: You're like that, we can strikes with waters from headquarters
Speaker 3: behind him the belt in the borders.
Speaker 2: Now, if you're just tuning into civic tach, Aron'm your host,
Speaker 2: Fansais josh I go by the nan. This indeed Pineapple
Speaker 2: Lawyers with us today aka Amy Owen, co counsel with
Speaker 2: the civil rights attorney Stole and Field Freedman. All right,
Speaker 2: Stolen Freeman, and we are talking about well, really we're
Speaker 2: standing in solidarity with our Asian American UH and Pacific
Speaker 2: Islander brothers and sisters, and now it is time to
Speaker 2: become a better ally. So I'm talking to black people.
Speaker 2: But if you have empathy, beating heart, and you love
Speaker 2: it when we all get along a little bit better,
Speaker 2: then you can do the same. But I want you
Speaker 2: to follow some social media accounts to give you a
Speaker 2: glimpse into what it's like, what it's like to be
Speaker 2: fully tapped into the goings on for our Asian American
Speaker 2: and Pacific Islander brothers and sisters. Some of these social
Speaker 2: media accounts include Asians Never Die that's on Instagram. Another
Speaker 2: one that's on Instagram is Fighting Asian Hate. Those two
Speaker 2: are two that we follow on our social media accounts
Speaker 2: civic ciphers, So if you forget these, check out our
Speaker 2: account and follow who we follow. Next Shark at Next
Speaker 2: Shark is another one, and that's a website that we've
Speaker 2: referenced a lot so far in the show. And then
Speaker 2: there's a song that features Rocket Iris Science of the
Speaker 2: Dilated Peoples, who also is my older brother who's also
Speaker 2: half Korean and the de facto producer of this show.
Speaker 2: He gave us a lot to talk about and unfortunate
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to put some more stuff in some
Speaker 2: other episodes. But the song is the lyrics Born Anti Remix.
Speaker 2: It features Cutso Bohan, Phoenix, Lb shing O two and
Speaker 2: of course Iris Science Raka of Dilated People's. The song
Speaker 2: is to a boost to boost awareness and love and
Speaker 2: it really reflects what's going on in the Asian community
Speaker 2: and with the Asian experience. So again the Lyrics Born
Speaker 2: Anti Remix. Be sure to get that, check it out
Speaker 2: and follow those accounts. Now, a couple of things before
Speaker 2: I bring us to where we need to be. We
Speaker 2: need to finish all this in the last part of
Speaker 2: the show. But there was another post uh. This one
Speaker 2: came from the New York Post, and it was how
Speaker 2: a deranged man pushed an Asian woman to her death
Speaker 2: at the Times Square subway station. He was kind of
Speaker 2: suffering from some mental illness or something. It's assumed because
Speaker 2: he was saying that he did it because he's God,
Speaker 2: and that this woman took his jacket. And I don't believe,
Speaker 2: based on the story that they had any contact prior
Speaker 2: to him pushing her into the in front of the subway.
Speaker 2: There was someone else he was going to push, and
Speaker 2: then he just that woman got away, and then he
Speaker 2: pushed this other woman who happened to be Asian. No
Speaker 2: matter which way you tell yourself these stories, the fact
Speaker 2: remains is that this community is hurting, and when we
Speaker 2: were hurting, they stood with us. Doesn't matter whose fault
Speaker 2: you think it is, right, I think it's our fault.
Speaker 2: We need to have these hard conversations and our homes.
Speaker 2: As black people, we need to challenge what issues or
Speaker 2: prejudices exist in our homes. If we're going to ask
Speaker 2: white folks to challenge their prejudices, we need to be
Speaker 2: willing to put that same energy in right. And then
Speaker 2: if you have a problem with that statement, you can
Speaker 2: talk to me. Normally, I don't want to talk to anybody,
Speaker 2: but that time you can now one thing that raka
Speaker 2: iras Science did mention to me. Before we move on,
Speaker 2: I just want to tag this is that Asians in
Speaker 2: jail in California, Asian people roll with black people in jail. Right,
Speaker 2: So this isn't This isn't something that is a hard
Speaker 2: line written into the cultures. It's not genetic, it's not
Speaker 2: buried in our DNA. Somewhere. Asian people often find community
Speaker 2: and solidarity with black folks. There's tons of examples of that.
Speaker 2: If you just open your eyes and see we have,
Speaker 2: you know that it works way more often than it
Speaker 2: doesn't work. Now, that's not We're not going to ignore
Speaker 2: the roots of the divide between our two communities. We
Speaker 2: will talk about that when we get to the way
Speaker 2: black history fact. But it works more often than it doesn't.
Speaker 2: In other words, we share. You know, Amy's here with us.
Speaker 2: Amy is a good friend of ours, She's she's she's
Speaker 2: a lawyer that I've trusted many times over many years
Speaker 2: with all of my legal affairs of attorneys. So yeah,
Speaker 2: also by fighting amongst ourselves, I think that what we
Speaker 2: end up doing is fortifying white supremacy or white supremacist institutions,
Speaker 2: and those things needed to be said. But you know,
Speaker 2: my brother told me that. And again my brother is
Speaker 2: his mother is a Korean immigrant, so he has that
Speaker 2: perspective of being a black man but also being half Korean.
Speaker 2: We share the same father. We're full brothers. That's how
Speaker 2: we treat each other. But you know, his mother is
Speaker 2: different from my mother. But I know his mother. His
Speaker 2: mother's changed my diapers too. So anyway, I want to
Speaker 2: move on. Now, let's talk about Aquafina.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, Q.
Speaker 2: You heard about this right, bring us up to speed.
Speaker 1: So Aquafina has been receiving some heat for her.
Speaker 5: I don't know the proper way to categorize the the
Speaker 5: accent or caricature of the way that black people speak
Speaker 5: that I think that people think she's.
Speaker 4: Hm hmm maybe misappropriating the culture.
Speaker 1: You said that as appropriately as possible.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's what attorneys do. We try to get the
Speaker 4: right words there, and.
Speaker 1: She's been she's been receiving some backlash for that. I
Speaker 1: have so many thoughts on everything that we're discussing. I
Speaker 1: won't give it all now, no, please please, I'm this
Speaker 1: divide and conquered thing. White supremacists have brilliantly executed a dividing,
Speaker 1: conquer plan that is thriving for multiple lifetimes. Now, I'm
Speaker 1: listening to you say this, and it's so obviously true
Speaker 1: that we have so much more in common than what
Speaker 1: divides and separates us. But they have so masterfully caused
Speaker 1: us to focus on our differences and use those very
Speaker 1: very small differences to divide us that it keeps us
Speaker 1: from ever really becoming this. And people listening to my
Speaker 1: voice can't see me balling up my fist, not in
Speaker 1: a way that's violent, but in a way that's uniting.
Speaker 1: All these separate people from all these separate cultures, all
Speaker 1: these separate religions, all these separate socio political positions, separate backgrounds.
Speaker 1: Together could be so powerful, so strong, and share so
Speaker 1: much love. But we have been so expertly torn into
Speaker 1: pieces and torn apart from one another that it keeps
Speaker 1: us weak, worrying, and divided. And I have to say,
Speaker 1: looking at these videos, Ramses, I've been so disappointed. And
Speaker 1: I mean that in a way that when we talk
Speaker 1: about our sons and when we talk about our kids,
Speaker 1: and they do some things that we know that they
Speaker 1: know better than I've watched them as like a disappointed parent.
Speaker 1: In a way, it's the same emotion, like man, you're
Speaker 1: so much better than that. We're so much better than that.
Speaker 2: Let me add two into it. There's people filming two
Speaker 2: in some of these videos, are people filming.
Speaker 1: It and not interacting, like as if they're just like
Speaker 1: as if they're as if they're like we are right now,
Speaker 1: like how we're on the other side of the screens
Speaker 1: and can't do anything but look at each other, like
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 4: Like that woman who jumped in on the subway, Yeah
Speaker 4: she was a hero who got beat up, But these
Speaker 4: other people who are filming it are just.
Speaker 1: Like huh to not intervene in some of these cases,
Speaker 1: it's just as disgusting. Now I recognize that in this
Speaker 1: social media era, in this smart camera phone era, a
Speaker 1: lot of people feel like by filming, I'm doing my
Speaker 1: part right and in the way that photographers and journalists
Speaker 1: did their part by exposing what was going on in
Speaker 1: Vietnam two people back here in America. Once people could
Speaker 1: see it, and once people made it real, it got
Speaker 1: a response from people back here who weren't witnessing your firsthand.
Speaker 1: So as with George Floyd's murder, right, if we don't
Speaker 1: see that video, we know for fact that the response
Speaker 1: around the country and around the world isn't the same.
Speaker 1: Because we saw it. Because we had to watch it,
Speaker 1: the impact was felt in a much greater way than
Speaker 1: it would have otherwise. So I understand that some people
Speaker 1: think that by filming they're somehow doing their part. But
Speaker 1: at some point your human being has to kick back
Speaker 1: in and let's do something and try to prevent some
Speaker 1: of these haineous things from happening. Now, I have to
Speaker 1: understand and know and acknowledge some people are afraid, right,
Speaker 1: And I won't call it cowardice. I'll just call it fear.
Speaker 1: Some people think that by interacting they could be harmed,
Speaker 1: maybe even killed. But sometimes we can't just be audience
Speaker 1: to our brothers and sisters being brutalized in front of us.
Speaker 4: I agree with that, But I also do feel like
Speaker 4: with the advent of the smartphone and all of the
Speaker 4: ability to film these actions, that's what is bringing all
Speaker 4: of the change about right now. Linda Friedman, who is
Speaker 4: the partner at the law firm that I'm co counseling with,
Speaker 4: out of Chicago. She says that all the time. She says,
Speaker 4: these videos and the camera phones are what is changing
Speaker 4: the landscape of racism and the landscape of these corporations
Speaker 4: who have up until this point sometimes gotten away with
Speaker 4: doing horrible things to people of color. So, while I
Speaker 4: agree with you Q that you know, we have a
Speaker 4: bigger duty to sometimes step in, sometimes just filming these
Speaker 4: acts is actually a huge help towards the movement as well.
Speaker 4: So I just don't want to discount that, and I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that you are trying to discount it at all,
Speaker 4: but I do want to make the point that I
Speaker 4: feel that people who are filming these things are absolutely
Speaker 4: a huge part of the change as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly.
Speaker 2: Now let me make sure that I flesh this Aquafina
Speaker 2: thing out. So she quit Twitter. First off, from what
Speaker 2: I understand, she's a lovely woman. Right, she quit Twitter,
Speaker 2: and I'll say it because she was bullied. Right, Black
Speaker 2: people were giving her a hard time because of what
Speaker 2: they were calling her black scent. Right, she is from
Speaker 2: Queen's she grew up around black and she's a rapper.
Speaker 2: You know. I talk about him all the time on
Speaker 2: the show Bootleg keV. Bootleg keV learned how to talk
Speaker 2: from me. I've known Kevin since he was three years old, right,
Speaker 2: and I was his big brother his whole life still am.
Speaker 2: So if I do something and it's cool, he wants
Speaker 2: to do it right, very very heavily influenced by me.
Speaker 2: And you can google this white man who is thriving
Speaker 2: in a black environment, and people try to throw words
Speaker 2: like this at him all the time, as though he
Speaker 2: is somehow taking this accent and putting it into his
Speaker 2: mouth and then he takes it out when he gets
Speaker 2: home or something. And this is what I believe people
Speaker 2: were thinking about Aquafina. People that didn't do any research
Speaker 2: and people who just want to bully. That is not
Speaker 2: going to get us anywhere, that is, especially if we're
Speaker 2: bullying each other. She is someone who celebrated black culture,
Speaker 2: partaken in black culture, and has brought black culture to
Speaker 2: a movie where the full cast.
Speaker 4: Is Chinese, crazy, rich Asians. Correct.
Speaker 2: Sure. And then there was another one. I believe it
Speaker 2: was a Marvel movie too. She was the one that
Speaker 2: was supposed to have some like flavor and comedy or whatever,
Speaker 2: and that's really who she is.
Speaker 4: She's being genuine to herself, thank you, And she's still
Speaker 4: being called out for putting on.
Speaker 2: And somebody needs to say that. Somebody needs to say that.
Speaker 2: How does she? So she grows up and realizes, wait
Speaker 2: a minute, I'm Asian. I shouldn't talk like how I've
Speaker 2: been talking since I started talking, right, I should learn
Speaker 2: how to sound Asian now?
Speaker 4: So unfair?
Speaker 2: Right? Absolutely.
Speaker 4: I was adopted and raised by a white family, So
Speaker 4: the way that I speak sometimes is very proper and
Speaker 4: very white, and sometimes people say things like, oh, you're
Speaker 4: so well spoken. I can't change the way that I
Speaker 4: talk like I couldn't talk like Aquafina because I didn't
Speaker 4: grow up in Queens. I grew up in Washington State
Speaker 4: and Utah around white people. So it's really sad that
Speaker 4: she's being called out and people are trying to accuse
Speaker 4: her of not being herself when she's being her complete, one,
Speaker 4: genuine self.
Speaker 2: That is really really sort Let me let me read
Speaker 2: through this. So to your point, if I grow up
Speaker 2: around Canadian people or Vietnamese people or Muslim you know,
Speaker 2: uh Iraqi people, and I end up having an Iraqi accent,
Speaker 2: you know it doesn't really you can't accuse me of
Speaker 2: appropriating the culture right, certain things can be cultural without
Speaker 2: being cultural cultural appropriation. Culture is something that human beings
Speaker 2: share in groups. Right that it doesn't matter what color
Speaker 2: you are. That now you're starting to talk about things
Speaker 2: like race. You know. Culture is something that you share language, food,
Speaker 2: you know, et cetera. If someone grows up in your
Speaker 2: house and they don't look like you, well guess what
Speaker 2: They're going to get a heavy dose of your culture.
Speaker 2: And if they grow up with it, that is the culture,
Speaker 2: that's the base programming that they have. That's it, that's
Speaker 2: the lens through which they see the world. They will
Speaker 2: learn later that their skin may not reflect that, but
Speaker 2: imagine how confusing that might be if people are attacking
Speaker 2: them for what they got. Honestly, I'll continue she okay,
Speaker 2: So Aquafina she started rapping at thirteen. She came out
Speaker 2: with an album I believe it was called Yellow Ranger.
Speaker 2: This is a direct quote from her. As a non
Speaker 2: black person of color, I stand by the fact that
Speaker 2: I will always listen and work tirelessly to understand the
Speaker 2: history and context of I believe it's African American vernacular English.
Speaker 2: Aave what is deemed appropriate or backwards toward progress of
Speaker 2: any and every marginalized group. That was what she put
Speaker 2: on Twitter, and then she followed it up but saying,
Speaker 2: but I must emphasize to mock, belittle, or be unkind
Speaker 2: in any way possible at the expense of others is
Speaker 2: simply period, not period, My period nature period. It never
Speaker 2: has been and never was, or sorry it never has
Speaker 2: it never was. So this is her actual statement, right,
Speaker 2: So she's saying, look, I'm with you. I met no offense,
Speaker 2: you know, but she can't say because it'll sound like
Speaker 2: an excuse. Hey, this is how I talk. This is
Speaker 2: how I talk. But I could say it because I
Speaker 2: know it right, And I'll leave you with this shout
Speaker 2: out to Raka Taylor one time, because he says, look,
Speaker 2: if we're giving up Aquafina, then we have to give
Speaker 2: back the riza, the jizz old, dirty bastard, inspect the deck,
Speaker 2: ray Kwana Chef. You've got ghost Face killer and the
Speaker 2: method Man and capa Donna while you're playing around, and
Speaker 2: the killer bees and killer Army, the whole Wu Tang.
Speaker 2: You know all that Shaolin is an actual place. It's
Speaker 2: an actual temple, a holy sacred temple. You want to
Speaker 2: talk about cultural appropriation, where we just borrow a little
Speaker 2: bit when it's convenient and give it back when we
Speaker 2: don't want it. Let's talk about Wu Tang. Everybody that
Speaker 2: has a problem with aquafina, go look at Wu Tang,
Speaker 2: right and then if you still have a problem, come
Speaker 2: see me. But I don't think you will. All right,
Speaker 2: let me move on.
Speaker 4: I never even thought of that he did.
Speaker 2: That was, wasn't it. Listen, Let's talk about Hawai. You
Speaker 2: remember Sons of Man when you were shouting out the
Speaker 2: entire sons of Man too. Okay, there's there's a there's
Speaker 2: a few of them right. That's that was a whole
Speaker 2: That is a whole movement that Wu Tang is forever forever. Listen,
Speaker 2: all right, I don't care how young you are. You
Speaker 2: know exactly who Wu Tang plan is. So don't don't
Speaker 2: pretend like you don't. And if we nobody wants to
Speaker 2: give back Wu Tang clan, you know, method man is
Speaker 2: still getting All of them are still getting money. Shout
Speaker 2: out to Kapa Donna, Shout out to Queen Nay.
Speaker 4: I think needs to be let back in for sure.
Speaker 2: I don't think she's gonna get put as long as
Speaker 2: the right people say the right things is if you
Speaker 2: feel the way that you should feel, which is okay,
Speaker 2: we got to draw the line somewhere. Then it might
Speaker 2: not be the worst thing in the world to have
Speaker 2: that conversation when it comes up in front of people
Speaker 2: who might not have that perspective.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Q, And I'm sure we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about this on another show. But I see a lot
Speaker 1: of us defending mister Rogan.
Speaker 2: If we're going to jump to Joe Rogan's.
Speaker 1: Defense, we must defend a thank you all costs.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, now let me let me flip this on
Speaker 2: its head, this aquafina thing. All right, This is another
Speaker 2: video from Next Shark again. Check them out. You know
Speaker 2: when when our Mexican brothers and sisters, when they were
Speaker 2: hurting because this that old president was saying, build the wall,
Speaker 2: and they were afraid for what would happen to them
Speaker 2: and their family members, and then they were kids in
Speaker 2: cages and the optics and the feeling surrounding their life.
Speaker 2: You know, the heaviness of that was happening. This this
Speaker 2: is something similar that's happening to our Asian brothers and
Speaker 2: Asian American and Pacific Island brothers and sisters, and we
Speaker 2: need to keep that same energy, all of us, even
Speaker 2: Mexican all we all in We all in it together. Right.
Speaker 2: So next Shark, New York based rapper, I don't even
Speaker 2: want to say her name was battling. Uh, I have
Speaker 2: to say this name. The name is Nounchi Chinks. Right
Speaker 2: on December fourth, when she delivered this line, okay yea.
Speaker 2: For those familiar with battle rapping, you basically insult the
Speaker 2: person that you're battling. Right, the line says, quote, you
Speaker 2: are a lame disgrace. Should have played it safe. Now
Speaker 2: I could get Chinks beaten in the street for no reason.
Speaker 2: Then hashtag stop Asian hate. And the word Chinks was
Speaker 2: referring to the name. But she used it sort of
Speaker 2: as a double entendre because as you know, and I
Speaker 2: can't say it now, that word that I said, which
Speaker 2: was the name of this other person, is also used
Speaker 2: as a slur for Asian people. It's it's it's it's
Speaker 2: weird because she she was doing a double entendre there,
Speaker 2: but anything.
Speaker 4: And what makes us so bad is that when she
Speaker 4: says and then I can hashtag stop Asian hate, she's
Speaker 4: alluding to the fact that people are jumping on and saying, hey,
Speaker 4: let's stop agent hate, and they can pretend that they're
Speaker 4: on the side of the Asian brothers and sisters who
Speaker 4: are fighting for the same rights. But she was being oh.
Speaker 2: She was being negative towards super flagrant here. Let's watch this. So,
Speaker 2: while it's typical and a battle rap for two participants
Speaker 2: to exchange it insults do this rapper I don't even
Speaker 2: want to say her name. The line spark criticism on
Speaker 2: social media. It's worth noting that her opponent, despite her
Speaker 2: rapper name, is not Asian. Right, So there is a
Speaker 2: rapper named Chinks Drugs. He spells it chi in X.
Speaker 2: That's just his name. And then there's this other rapper again.
Speaker 2: I don't even want to say her name again because
Speaker 2: it's not spelled differently, so it might even I don't know,
Speaker 2: but let's see, despite her rapper name is not a Asian. Okay, quote,
Speaker 2: I flipped the derogatory name for Asians. Eh, I get it,
Speaker 2: But I don't know anything not offensive about battle rap.
Speaker 2: That's why I didn't get into it sooner. They certainly
Speaker 2: took me wrong. In quote. This is what she said
Speaker 2: on Twitter She also accused Asians of being racist by
Speaker 2: referring to alleged actions by the Chinese government. Huh, and
Speaker 2: she says after COVID they wouldn't let Africans into places
Speaker 2: in China. They were wildly openly racist. You're right, and
Speaker 2: that's real life, not battle rap. So basically she doubled
Speaker 2: down on this. She tried to make a case for no.
Speaker 2: I should be able to say this right now, everybody
Speaker 2: has a problem with Aquafina. I want you to take
Speaker 2: a good look at this lady right here. I didn't
Speaker 2: say her name, so it might be tough for you
Speaker 2: to look her up well.
Speaker 4: And the issue I have with it, she's saying that
Speaker 4: she flipped the derogatory word for Asians, but she's not
Speaker 4: Asian herself. So just right, So just like you know
Speaker 4: a lot of people have that same argument with the
Speaker 4: N word, correct, And you know black people have to
Speaker 4: some degree taken that word and try to take the
Speaker 4: derogatory meaning from it and make their own meaning. But
Speaker 4: this woman is a black woman who took a derogatory
Speaker 4: word for an Asian person and is trying to say
Speaker 4: that she flipped it. I don't think it works.
Speaker 2: And she's trying to doubling down. It's it's it's sad,
Speaker 2: and we need to hold our own accountable. Far be
Speaker 2: it from us to charge white folks with policing their
Speaker 2: language or you know, having some sort of tact when
Speaker 2: they speak. If we can't do it ourselves.
Speaker 4: It'd be interesting to have her on the show and
Speaker 4: have her explain how she thinks that she was allowed
Speaker 4: to flip it.
Speaker 2: It would be interesting. But you know, I try my
Speaker 2: best not to give bad people a stage, So I
Speaker 2: will cross that bridge when we come to it. Now
Speaker 2: it is time for the Way Black History Fact, and
Speaker 2: then I'm gonna throw it to YouTube because I know
Speaker 2: you're bottled up over there, but we're gonna peel black
Speaker 2: some layers here. So Today's Way Black History Fact. This
Speaker 2: comes from vox, all right. What isn't new in times
Speaker 2: of anti Asian sentiment is the focus on relationships between
Speaker 2: black and Asian communities. Many of the attacks that have
Speaker 2: gained widespread attention have featured black assailants and have threatened
Speaker 2: to inflame tensions between Asian Americans and Black Americans. While
Speaker 2: Box found no evidence that Black Americans are predominantly responsible
Speaker 2: for this rise, in attacks, or that they are particularly
Speaker 2: hostile to Asian Americans relative to the rest of the population.
Speaker 2: The narrative of Black Asian hostility is rooted in immigrate, immigration,
Speaker 2: and economic policies that have historically pitted these communities against
Speaker 2: one another. I'm gonna read this. I'm gonna give you
Speaker 2: a framework. I'm not going to give you an excuse. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is a framework so you can understand and overcome,
Speaker 2: not so that you can double down. Don't do that,
Speaker 2: all right. Ultimately, there is a failure to remember what
Speaker 2: got America to this place of racial hierarchies and lingering
Speaker 2: Black Asian tensions, white supremacy. White supremacy is what created segregation,
Speaker 2: policing and scarcity of resources in low income neighborhoods, as
Speaker 2: well as the creation of the quote model minority, myth
Speaker 2: end quote thank you Amy for that, all of which
Speaker 2: has driven a wedge between Black and Asian communities. In fact,
Speaker 2: it is white Christian nationalism more than any other ideology
Speaker 2: that has shaped xenophobic and racist views around COVID nineteen,
Speaker 2: according to a recent study, and for Black and Asian
Speaker 2: American communities to move forward, it is important to remember
Speaker 2: the root cause and fight together against it. There's already
Speaker 2: a long history of Black Asian solidarity against depression and
Speaker 2: structural racism listened up, which has been obscured by these
Speaker 2: recent fissures. In the late nineteen sixties, for instance, black
Speaker 2: and Asian activists led the Third World Liberation Front movement
Speaker 2: to establish race and ethnic studies in college and university
Speaker 2: curriculums in California. And today members of both communities are
Speaker 2: showing up for each other in demonstrations for black lives
Speaker 2: and against anti Asian violence. I ramses Jah Ruby King
Speaker 2: Taylor the Second gave a speech at a stop Asian
Speaker 2: Hate rally black as I am, and you know me.
Speaker 2: I am vanca black. I stand with them and you
Speaker 2: should too, all right. In nineteen sixty five, the United
Speaker 2: States endo the quota based system of immigration and began
Speaker 2: to push for high skilled labor to enter the country.
Speaker 2: One group that was able to enter the country where
Speaker 2: Korean Americans, who were hyper selected. That is, they had
Speaker 2: much higher socioeconomic and educational attainment relative not only to
Speaker 2: their country of origin, but also to the native born
Speaker 2: US population. Forgive me if I mispronounced this yin les
Speaker 2: Is spirit to a professor of ethnic studies who specializes
Speaker 2: in Asian American studies at the University of California, San Diego,
Speaker 2: explained how this highly educated popular came to the United
Speaker 2: States and was often unable to replicate the social status
Speaker 2: that they enjoyed in their home country due to racial
Speaker 2: discrimination and other barriers. Instead, they found employment as small
Speaker 2: business owners, opening up shops in predominantly black communities all
Speaker 2: right footnote, Many of these immigrants didn't intend to be
Speaker 2: small businessmen. The structural context, that is, Korean immigrants couldn't
Speaker 2: regain the employment and educational status they once held. A
Speaker 2: Spirituo told Box their proximity to black people was because
Speaker 2: they were only able to start businesses in quote, economically
Speaker 2: disadvantaged areas in quote. This coupled with the fact that
Speaker 2: anti black racism in financing meant Black people often couldn't
Speaker 2: start their own businesses, which sparked bitterness on both sides.
Speaker 2: The Spiritu added that an additional barrier was that both
Speaker 2: groups had already been primed to mistrust each other. As
Speaker 2: Koreans consumed American media, they internalized the racist depictions of
Speaker 2: Black Americans as violent, uneducated, and poor. Similarly, black Americans
Speaker 2: had watched with the rest of America as Koreans were
Speaker 2: depicted as untrustworthy during the Korean War. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: this is me adding and I'm sure there was something
Speaker 2: also with the war and Vietnam as well, Okay. Edward T. Chang,
Speaker 2: a professor of ethnic studies at the University of California Riverside,
Speaker 2: explained the middleman minority theory, which helps further explain the
Speaker 2: tensions that arose at those Korean owned businesses. Middleman minority
Speaker 2: is a term derived from the historical experience of Jews
Speaker 2: in Europe and Chinese in Southeast Asia, and Asian Indians
Speaker 2: in Africa. Changed told Box Middleman minorities exist between dominant
Speaker 2: and subordinate groups in society and often hold professions heavily
Speaker 2: concentrated in the retail and service industries like grocery markets
Speaker 2: and liquor stores. He explained, these groups often have daily
Speaker 2: contact with one another in a way that white Americans
Speaker 2: often do not due to segregated neighborhoods, shopping centers, and schools.
Speaker 2: Between the racist stereotypes of both groups. Sorry, between the
Speaker 2: racist stereotypes both both groups have internalized, and the linguistic
Speaker 2: and cultural barriers separating them. It's little surprised that continual
Speaker 2: interactions could lead to conflict in America's collective memory. The
Speaker 2: most notable such collision occurring in during the nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: two Los Angeles riots, sparked by the acquittal of four
Speaker 2: white LAPD officers after they were videotape beating Rodney King,
Speaker 2: a black man. Over the following week, more than fifty
Speaker 2: people were killed and a thousand were injured in the
Speaker 2: uprising that showcased not only anger at the verdict but
Speaker 2: also long standing resentments between black and Korean communities in
Speaker 2: the LA area. According to CNN, roughly half a billion
Speaker 2: dollars worth of damage was borne by Korean owned businesses.
Speaker 2: So no bodies blameless today, it's our turn, black folks. Q.
Speaker 2: What do you think we got about a minute?
Speaker 1: All of these things have had years to fester, and
Speaker 1: I hate to always take things back to our last
Speaker 1: presidential administration, But the thing that they did during those
Speaker 1: eight years, or during those four years, I'm sorry, was
Speaker 1: convinced people that there was no such thing as truth.
Speaker 1: Facts have become blurred, and people have really really bought
Speaker 1: into conspiracy theory. In a way that I've never seen,
Speaker 1: especially black people. Right, So, when you have a bigoted, racist,
Speaker 1: xenophobic president pouring into these stereotypes and making an entire
Speaker 1: continent responsible for what has been one of the most
Speaker 1: difficult periods of most of our lives, then all those stereotypes,
Speaker 1: all that ignorance, all that hate, and all that divide
Speaker 1: us is given like a steroid. Everything exploded and these
Speaker 1: like people being called carrier. That's absolutely born directly from that,
Speaker 1: from the way that they that they characterized this pandemic.
Speaker 1: So accountability, we must do better.
Speaker 2: We have to.
Speaker 1: We cannot require of the rest of the world to
Speaker 1: treat us with cibility and fairness and not do that ourselves.
Speaker 1: And I don't care that it might be a minority
Speaker 1: of us.
Speaker 2: I don't care exactly because white folks can say that.
Speaker 2: They could say, well, it's not all white people. They
Speaker 2: behave like that and we and it just doesn't work
Speaker 2: that way. It's up to you to challenge in your
Speaker 2: homes and in your neighborhoods and your walks of life,
Speaker 2: and right now it's up to black folks to do
Speaker 2: the same thing. So we are not allowed to require
Speaker 2: of others what we won't give there it is well said,
Speaker 2: well said, that's that's the point of the show man,
Speaker 2: that we should retitle the show that anyway. I would
Speaker 2: love to once again thank our guest, the Pineapple Lawyer,
Speaker 2: the one and only Amy Owen.
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