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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

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Speaker 2: Our colleague Noel is on an adventure, but will be

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Speaker 2: returning shortly.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Paul Mission Control decads. Most importantly, you are

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Speaker 3: here and that makes this the stuff they don't want

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Speaker 3: you to know. Now. Matt's as you know, I was

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Speaker 3: in a bit of a situation. I regretfully had to

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Speaker 3: miss a previous recording, so excited to be back, and

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Speaker 3: you and I have planned to do something and kind

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Speaker 3: of special in this strange news. We're going to kind

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Speaker 3: of you know, usually we keep it like a three

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Speaker 3: acts structure. Each each person explores a story that people

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Speaker 3: may not want you to know about. But you and

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Speaker 3: I decided, as we're going into recording that we were

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Speaker 3: going to do sort of a cavalcade of strange stories today.

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Speaker 3: And I know, I know there's one that we're both

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Speaker 3: very excited about that Some listeners sent us from South America.

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Speaker 3: What do you say, do you want to save that

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Speaker 3: one toward the end? What do you think?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I kind of want to do it now, Ben,

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Speaker 2: because it's the thing I'm the most excited about.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, you know what. Okay, I got your back, man,

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Speaker 3: I just ate some savice. Let's head to Peru.

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Speaker 2: Sick is great? All right? Well, if we're going to

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Speaker 2: head to Peru, both you and I because of where

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Speaker 2: we are, I guess put this into a doc simultaneously.

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Speaker 2: Didn't know the other one had done it because the

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Speaker 2: internet connection didn't let us know. But this thing, this

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Speaker 2: whole situation in Peru has been happening for a while,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know how it evaded us or me

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Speaker 2: at least for this long until we had a listener

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Speaker 2: right in and you know, send us a link and

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Speaker 2: we're like, wait, what what is happening? Who said?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 2: You guys? I'm going to read you the Vice headline.

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Speaker 2: Vice is not the first people to be reporting on this.

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Speaker 2: It's not even probably the most up to date reporting,

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Speaker 2: but it is great. Here's the headline, flying aliens harassing

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Speaker 2: village in Peru are actually illegal miners with jetpacks, cops say,

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, this this blew my mind too, for

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Speaker 3: exactly the reason you're describing man, Because first, we love

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Speaker 3: love stories like this, actually out of Latin America. I

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Speaker 3: remember many years ago when you and I learned about

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Speaker 3: that mysterious case of those guys who put on lead

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Speaker 3: nowhere and then appear to have poisoned themselves. Remains unsolved today.

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Speaker 2: The lead masks case. I think we did a video

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Speaker 3: I believe. I believe you're correct, because I remember we

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Speaker 3: kind of double dragoned it looking for stuff we could

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Speaker 3: on our portugueze a little bit. This. The one thing

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Speaker 3: that's so fascinating about a lot of these stories is

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Speaker 3: they often don't make it into the Anglo sphere. Right,

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Speaker 3: So we're when we're talking about this, we're going to

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Speaker 3: learn a little bit about Peruvian folklore. We're going to

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Speaker 3: learn a little bit about jet packs, and we're going

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Speaker 3: and I think we're going to learn a little bit

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Speaker 3: about la policia in Peru. But that that Vice article, right,

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Speaker 3: that's what hipped most of North America to this and

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Speaker 3: big thanks to Alan g our fellow conspiracy realist. So

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Speaker 3: maybe can we unpack that headline matt flying aliens harassing village.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's an indigenous iki To group group I guess,

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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean there's a lot to unpact her. Sohiro Avila,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, and the fact that they're flying.

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Speaker 2: Know, if it's some kind of trick, they're at least

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Speaker 3: Of some sort right, that's the police explanation. Yes, and

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Speaker 2: Is that correct, That's what I've seen thus far. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: couple specific types. Because there's another person who was interviewed

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that too. It reminded me almost instantly

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Speaker 3: And yeah, you remember this, and people were, of course

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Speaker 2: It was those real one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so what people are describing here doesn't seem to

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Speaker 2: Well, it's also really weird because the official explanation that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what would the point be? You know? We also

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Speaker 3: They say their bodies are floating. They use their arms

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Speaker 3: you can be the coolest kid in middle school.

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Speaker 2: There's no way that's They.

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Speaker 3: Can't make you actually fly, just like rebox rebop pumps.

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Speaker 3: They'll help you jump, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a bunch of Iron Man enthusiasts in

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Speaker 2: the point where they are literally flying.

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Speaker 3: There we go, There we go, Red Bull. Take note,

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Speaker 2: So do we even say they're described as being seven

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Speaker 3: was going bankrupt. This was very bad pr right, and

434
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Speaker 3: so they said, okay, Sackler family, Ye, modern aristocrats, if

435
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Speaker 3: you donate six billion dollars with a B at a

436
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Speaker 3: certain schedule, with all these caveats and so on, you

437
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Speaker 3: will be immunized from lawsuits. The Sackler family personally will

438
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Speaker 3: not be responsible in a court of law for the

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Speaker 3: consequences of their purposeful actions. The United States and the

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Speaker 3: rule of law, I would argue, really took it on

441
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 3: the chin when that deal went through because what that

442
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: told everybody in the US was if you've got enough money,

443
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Speaker 3: then you can you can get out of jail. Maybe

444
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: not get out of jail for free, but for six billion,

445
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: you absolutely can get out of jail for the rest

446
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Speaker 3: of your life, no matter how many people you killed

447
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: for a Q four profit. This goes. This went all

448
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Speaker 3: the way up to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court

449
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: blocked the deal. So right now they have paused the

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Speaker 3: deal that we grant immunity to the Sackler family.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I guess that's good until it can

452
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Speaker 2: be reviewed further. But again, there's so much influence there

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I'm not going to be hopeful

454
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Speaker 2: until something really actually happens and money changes hands and

455
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Speaker 2: there's wire transfers something.

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Speaker 3: I agree, man, I'm right there with you.

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Speaker 1: You know.

458
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Speaker 3: It's like a weird version of that Fox Molder poster

459
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Speaker 3: that we loved growing up. I want to believe, you

460
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Speaker 3: know what I mean a lot of belief things will

461
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Speaker 3: work out. But right now, as we're recording here mid

462
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Speaker 3: August twenty twenty three, what the Supreme Court has done

463
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 3: is hit the pause button and they've said we're going

464
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Speaker 3: to take this case. We're going to hear arguments about

465
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Speaker 3: it in our December twenty two, twenty three session. The

466
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Speaker 3: new Supreme Court term starts in October. And of course,

467
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Speaker 3: you know, America's favorite ring raiths have been the subject

468
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Speaker 3: of no small amount of controversy themselves quite recently, I

469
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: think Clarence Thomas keeps popping up in the news. The

470
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Speaker 3: idea of whether or not the Supremes should be held

471
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Speaker 3: to some sort of standard of ethics is a hot

472
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Speaker 3: button issue. America says yes, the Supreme Court says no.

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Speaker 3: We can we know best, as philosopher kings, it's something

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Speaker 3: that you know, It's something that should bug everybody, no

475
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Speaker 3: matter who you vote for, because you know who you

476
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Speaker 3: don't get to vote for, those nine people who have

477
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Speaker 3: the job for the rest of their lives and are

478
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: literally saying to you, if you live in the United States,

479
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Speaker 3: that they are above the laws to which you were

480
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Speaker 3: held account And that's kind of gross. Is that a

481
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: hot take to say that's kind of gross. I feel

482
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Speaker 3: like it's a reasonable thing to say.

483
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's graz It's gross when you look at the

484
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Speaker 2: actions of like Clarience Thomas and some of that stuff,

485
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: and he's just nasty and he's just in Georgia, ah

486
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: oh man. The power of the powerful. But you know

487
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: what other powerful people are having to do in the news?

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Speaker 3: What's that? Matt Well?

489
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Speaker 2: And when I say powerful people, I mean powerful I

490
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Speaker 2: guess organizations like banks ubs. We've talked about them before

491
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Speaker 2: on the show. They, according to the Justice Department, have

492
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Speaker 2: agreed to pay one point four billion dollars in penalties

493
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Speaker 2: for defrauding Wait, not not people who own mortgages or

494
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: anything like that or homeowners, no investors who bought mortgage

495
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: backed securities during that old Great Recession.

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Speaker 3: Khalu Khalay, what a frap just day, my man, Like, hey,

497
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: things are finally working out for us, right, how are

498
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Speaker 3: your mortgage backed securities?

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Speaker 2: That's the thing. It's money going to people that you

500
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Speaker 2: know invested in mortgage backed securities. It's not actually going

501
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Speaker 2: to I don't know people that got harmed in that

502
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Speaker 2: whole thing. But you know whatever, that's at least somewhat

503
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Speaker 2: positive because it's a civil action that's been going on

504
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: since twenty eighteen, and there seems to be movement there. Uh,

505
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Speaker 2: it's pretty great.

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Speaker 3: Well okay, so what was the number again?

507
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Speaker 2: One point four billion with a B.

508
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Speaker 3: Holy spokes, and this is this is to make those

509
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Speaker 3: investors hole.

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Speaker 2: H yes, yes, uh well let me let me just

511
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Speaker 2: whoa look at this. Okay, hold on, let me read

512
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Speaker 2: from this CNN Business article. It is titled UBS to

513
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: pay one point four billion for selling toxic mortgages prior

514
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Speaker 2: to the Great Recession. If you go down to the

515
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Speaker 2: bottom here says. DOJ filed the civil action on November

516
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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen against UBS, alleging the Wall Street Bank defrauded

517
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Speaker 2: investors by knowingly making false and misleading statements to buyers

518
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 2: of dozens of residential mortgage backed securities issued in two

519
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: thousand and six, in two thousand and seven, and then

520
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: down here it says all told, prosecutors say they've leveled

521
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: more than thirty six billion in fines for conduct that

522
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: fueled the two thousand and eight financial crisis, including from

523
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Speaker 2: banks and ratings firms, and that includes outfits like Goldman, Sachs, Barclay's,

524
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Speaker 2: Deutsche Bank, and others. They got caught up in that thing.

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of kind of awesome to see the

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Speaker 2: Department of Justice going after banks, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to see the dog doing something, yeah, doing something.

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Speaker 2: Hey, nice work, guys go after those haha, yay. But again,

529
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Speaker 2: it's just weird because of what it's actually. I don't

530
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Speaker 2: know what it's being paid for, because it's just penalties.

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Speaker 3: Right, and it feels like it's missing some of the

532
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Speaker 3: humans suffering at that point, you know, because people's lives

533
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Speaker 3: were irrevocably ruined, and it's strange, you know that we

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Speaker 3: have to This is the first I've heard of this,

535
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Speaker 3: and I do have to admit I'm surprised. It reminds

536
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Speaker 3: me a bit of one of those observations we always

537
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 3: heard during the Madeoff scandal, where it says if you want,

538
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: if you want to avoid consequences for large financial crimes,

539
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 3: just avoid targeting the rich. Because when you target the rich,

540
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: they are in the wealthy in the US power structure,

541
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Speaker 3: they are going to have the means to defend themselves

542
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: and to seek retribution. Is this another case of that

543
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Speaker 3: in play?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't have the answer.

545
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 3: I can't believe people can afford to buy mortgage backed securities.

546
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Speaker 2: I don't know what we lost though. Maybe it was

547
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: super cheap. Maybe I don't know. I have no idea.

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00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's like a percentage of a fund right

549
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: that you would you know, you would put into some

550
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: kind of mixed fund with a money manager, and that

551
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: manager got into it. But they were also I'm just

552
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 3: pulling up of some of the sources you mentioned, they

553
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 3: were selling these under false pretenses and intentionally misleading people.

554
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 3: So legally there is a strong basis for it. When

555
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: when is that same level of justice going to apply

556
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 3: to people who get built in so many other ways?

557
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I think it's just in

558
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: the US everything comes down to the consumer. The burden

559
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 3: is on you as the customer, as the consumer, and

560
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 3: when we see cases like this. I would argue what

561
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: it shows us is that the consumers who can afford to,

562
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: who can afford to play the game of the court

563
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 3: system in both time and in terms of both time

564
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 3: and capital, they're the ones who have rights. I don't

565
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 3: you know what's going to happen in Flint, Michigan. What's

566
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: going to happen in Hunter's Point? Lots of cancer, Guys

567
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 3: buy more mortgage backed securities.

568
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Speaker 2: Sorry, God, that's go. Maybe the aliens will help us

569
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: clean our water and air and all the stuff we need,

570
00:37:54,160 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: help help help give me off this crazy planet. Yeah, well, hey, Ben,

571
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: what do you say we take a quick break here,

572
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 2: a word from our sponsor, and then come right back

573
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Speaker 2: with some more strange news.

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Speaker 3: And we have returned. We're gonna we're gonna trade some

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Speaker 3: headlines here. So I don't want to I don't want

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Speaker 3: to take too too long with this one map. But

577
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 3: there's a story that came out about a week ago

578
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Speaker 3: or so now as we record, and it really disturbed me.

579
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Speaker 3: We're just gonna give you the headline here, folks. Quote

580
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Speaker 3: out of the Kansas Reflector police stage chilling raid on

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Speaker 3: Marion County newspaper, seizing computers, records, and cell phones. This

582
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Speaker 3: story broke on August eleventh, So we want to thank

583
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Speaker 3: Sherman Smith, Sam Bailey, Rachel mepro Or Midpro and Tim

584
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: Carpenter who seemed to put themselves in very real professional

585
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Speaker 3: danger by even reporting this. Okay, so the newspaper got raided.

586
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Speaker 3: It's not usually supposed to happen right in the US.

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00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, why unless the newspaper itself as an organization

588
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: or someone at the highest levels are doing some kind

589
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 2: of illegal activity right or involved in some kind of conspiracy,

590
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Speaker 2: then yeah, I can imagine all the you know, a

591
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Speaker 2: raid occurring there. If what was that thing we said

592
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Speaker 2: at the top, If they're they're trying to take some

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Speaker 2: action on a certain cough drop.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, if they're pursuing rico law, Yeah, which is

595
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Speaker 3: maybe only funny to us, that's funny to me.

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Speaker 2: But that's why I can imagine a prosecutor rating a

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00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: local newspaper, you know, unless it's retaliation for something, which

598
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 2: is what might also come to mind.

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00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 3: Yes, that seems to be the case. So the story

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Speaker 3: really starts with two people, a restaurant owner and marion

601
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Speaker 3: named Carrie Newell or Carrie Newell kaar I last name

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Speaker 3: n E. W. E Ll. I don't feel like we

603
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Speaker 3: need to protect her name at this time. It is in.

604
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 3: It is in the public sphere now. And the second

605
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: person who is a principal character in our story guy

606
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: named Eric Meyer, the owner and publisher of the Marion

607
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Speaker 3: County Record. It is the paper of record in Marion County.

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Speaker 3: The most creative name for this paper, maybe not, but

609
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Speaker 3: they do good work, these real old school journalists. And

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Speaker 3: the community was a buzz with all kinds of sort

611
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Speaker 3: of small town gossip, and things come to a head

612
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Speaker 3: after news stories were coming out in the County Record

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Speaker 3: about this restaurant owner Newell. It culminates when Newell kicks

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Speaker 3: these reporters out of a meeting with a US representative,

615
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Speaker 3: Jake Laturner, which is somehow Jake's real name.

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Speaker 1: And.

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Speaker 3: The paper reports that the restaurant owner had a conviction

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Speaker 3: for drunken driving. Also Karie Newell did not have a

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Speaker 3: driver's license. They're putting out these things and they are reporters,

620
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: they're journalists, so these are fact checked, these are confirmed.

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Speaker 3: They have the records to prove this stuff. And that's

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Speaker 3: when the raid happens. Local law enforcement seized computers, they

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Speaker 3: took cell phones, they took the records, the reporting materials

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Speaker 3: that the newspaper's reporters had compiled. They also rated the publisher,

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Speaker 3: Eric Myer's home. The city's entire police force was there.

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Speaker 3: Now that sounds huge, but again this is kind of

627
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Speaker 3: a small town. The police forces five people. They had

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Speaker 3: to sheriff deputies there too. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So basically what I'm hearing is that the local

630
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Speaker 2: law enforcement went after this these folks because they did

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Speaker 2: some kind of background check on a local restauranteur. Yes,

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Speaker 2: kicked that, so it was a personal feud. They individually

633
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: got kicked out of the establishment because you know, the

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Speaker 2: establishment didn't want any journalists in there during a public meeting.

635
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Speaker 2: So then the journalist went back, got on like whitepages,

636
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: dot com or any of the other hundreds of services

637
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: you can get a subscription to and do a background

638
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 2: check on somebody. They found out she was, I guess,

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00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: driving without the proper license or something, and posted it

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Speaker 2: somewhere online or printed it.

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Speaker 3: So the way we're hearing it in places like the

642
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 3: Kansas Reflector is that my Newell, Karie Newell started saying

643
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 3: some really hostile things about myers and gangs reporting on

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Speaker 3: her personal social media, which you need to remember, folks,

645
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 3: no matter what your privacy settings, feel like you are

646
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 3: speaking in public when you are on social media. There

647
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: is no way around it. And they said they have

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Speaker 3: been contacted by a confidential source who disclosed to them

649
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Speaker 3: that the restauranteur had been convicted of drunken driving and

650
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 3: was still driving without a driver's license. That's important because

651
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 3: that kind of criminal record in this time span, that

652
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 3: can spell disaster for your business. She wanted to get

653
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 3: a liquor license for her catering business so that could

654
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 3: synk that plan, and reporters with the Marian Record used

655
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 3: a state website to verify the information from this confidential source.

656
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: But the publisher Meyer later said, and he said this publicly,

657
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 3: He said, I suspect the source that was, whomever the

658
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 3: source was, was give it feeding this information from Carri

659
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: Newle's soon to be ex husband who was filed for divorce.

660
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 3: And he said, he said, I'm not going to publish

661
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: a story about this information. I'm calling the police because

662
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: I think we're being set up due to the bad

663
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: blood that we already have. So he tells the police boop,

664
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 3: and then the police tell Cary Newell boop. And then

665
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 3: she goes to a city council meeting boop, and he

666
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 3: boop and says the newspapers illegally obtained these sensitive documents,

667
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:45,479
Speaker 3: which is not true.

668
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: Uh.

669
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 3: And the newspaper tried to set the record straight and

670
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: they published a story about this. This is like classic

671
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: small small town drama, right, but it it's dangerous and

672
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 3: so that's why eleven am, the officers show up at

673
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: the publisher's home and at the office. They've got a

674
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: search warrant and they took everything. One reporter was slightly

675
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 3: injured because officers grabbed her cell phone out of her hand.

676
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

677
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: So what do you think, man?

678
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: I think Marion County law enforcement needs to invest in

679
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: jet packs? Sorry sorry, yeah.

680
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm with you.

681
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: I'm with you.

682
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 3: That's there's a clear lack of jet packs in this story.

683
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 2: Seriously, just going through a skylight at the local newspaper,

684
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 2: grab some hard drives and get out of there. That's

685
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 2: that's what you do. Bang boom, No, that's that's It's

686
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 2: just very strange. It's a fascinating tail. I'd love to

687
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: see it written out, not like I'm looking at a

688
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: CNN article. I'd love to see it written out on

689
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: a like here's what happened, then this happened, then this happened,

690
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: and this happened kind of way unless in this news

691
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: reporting style and that and that's you know, no offense

692
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: to you know, Whitney, Sarah and Holly over there at

693
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: CNN who are writing this. I just it was confusing

694
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 2: to me when I was reading it about what actually happened.

695
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it took me a second time. Packet two.

696
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: So apologies for any confusion in that Bolas spaghetti there

697
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 3: that Like, I agree we need an aid to z timeline.

698
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it is. It is a he said,

699
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: she said, kind of back and forth thing that you

700
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: know culminates in a police rate.

701
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. The weirdest thing that they they don't explain is

702
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: the search the search warrant. You have to have a

703
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: reason for a search warrant, even with a possibly corrupt

704
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 3: law enforcement action. There has to be something on the page. Matt.

705
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: The police had a warrant for identity theft.

706
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: Oh well, but yeah, because again it's what you said before.

707
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: Carrie Cary's kitchen owner is stating that they illegally used

708
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: her credentials somehow to get to access the information, which

709
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: I don't know the legality of it, but it definitely

710
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: wouldn't be good, right if you stole that would be

711
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: like a form of identity theft. If you're impersonating someone

712
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: logging into anything, it can't be unless you have that

713
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 2: person's permission. It's just I don't it's weird.

714
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 3: Man, So if we understand this, Cary Newell accused the

715
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 3: paper of lying about her in a story that they

716
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 3: never published, and then came out and admitted that that

717
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: information was true. Still accusing her of lying about her

718
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 3: and stealing her identity, convinced the cops and a judge

719
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: to raid the place for a story they were published,

720
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: which they did seem to verify via public information.

721
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I want to see where this one goes. Mmmm.

722
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because I don't think we're going to see the

723
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 3: end of it yet, but surely the feds are going

724
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 3: to come down hard. Matt mic over to you, man,

725
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: what do we got? What do we got?

726
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 2: More?

727
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: Waiting for Kansas to set.

728
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: This right, man, Kansas. I've been learning a lot about

729
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 2: Kansas because the Monster series is heading that way for

730
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: a story that ben. I bet you know which one

731
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: it is. I bet a few of you out there

732
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: might know if the Monster series is going to Witchita.

733
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: Mm hmmyway say less awesome, awesome, dude.

734
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. So now let's talk about robotaxis. We've mentioned them

735
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: a couple of times on the show. Bob, Sorry, so no,

736
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 2: keep it in, keep it in.

737
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 3: I am hunched over in a in a small room

738
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 3: on a handheld mic. So let's just take the second two.

739
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 3: Just say, folks, for some of our conversations here. If

740
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: the audio sounds wonky on anybody's end, it is my fault.

741
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 3: We're just we're just doing it live on the road.

742
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 2: That's a great condenser, Mike. I really like the way

743
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: it sounds. Actually use it more often. It's good. It's

744
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: good stuff. So hey, robotaxis, the self driving taxi services

745
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: that are you know, it's still emerging as a thing

746
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 2: that you can interact with if you're in specific cities

747
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: here in the US and other parts of the world,

748
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: counting California and San Francisco, you know where all the

749
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: tech starts, the wonderful, magical world of tech. They have

750
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: decided to allow a couple different companies to operate their

751
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: robo taxi services, and recently, I think it was last Friday,

752
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: as we were reporting this, they had a bit of

753
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: an issue that I wouldn't have thought about.

754
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 3: Hm.

755
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: Have you ever been to a large gathering like a

756
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, a music festival or just a huge

757
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: concert of some kind and you've experienced a lessened or

758
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: lack of cellular service because there's so many people out

759
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 2: there clogging the internet tubes. Sure, well, how does that

760
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 2: work when you've got actual vehicles that are unmanned, that

761
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 2: operate on the same networks that all of your cell phones,

762
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 2: all of our cell phones work on. Well, apparently last

763
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: Friday a tiny part of San Francisco found out because

764
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: there was some kind of glitch in a self driving

765
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: car that I believe it was operated by crews the

766
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 2: company Cruise, and there was like a bit of a

767
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: mishap with some traffic being occurred because the vehicle couldn't

768
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: I guess, connect correctly to its servers and it was

769
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: like stuck basically in an intersection attempting to get out

770
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 2: of the intersection, but there was a lot of traffic

771
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 2: and it couldn't get anywhere, So then it caused more traffic,

772
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: and then it just became a big, massive problem. This

773
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 2: isn't a real news story. It's just pointing out we

774
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: should probably think about the strength of connectivity to the

775
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: controlling networks when we're thinking about driverless taxi services.

776
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I disagree that this is not

777
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 3: strange news. This is a precedent. This is one of

778
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 3: those things we're going to look back on in a

779
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 3: few years and clock as the beginning. I can't I

780
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 3: can't believe I never thought about this. Man, it makes

781
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 3: absolute sense. You would create a feedback loop of back,

782
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: you would create this log jam right of communication. There's

783
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 3: a snowball effect. I'm I'm at a loss to actually,

784
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 3: I'm not at a loss for cliche figures of speech

785
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 3: to describe this. But it is double plus un good,

786
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: especially when we know that automated vehicles are going to

787
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: be increasingly prevalent, especially in wealthier areas of the world.

788
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Like right now, I think

789
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 3: the human species is pretty close in some areas to

790
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 3: passing laws that will require vehicles to be autonomous in

791
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 3: certain city centers. It'll be on the way and if

792
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 3: you don't have the infrastructure to support that. Then it's

793
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 3: like you're just you're what you're really doing is putting

794
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 3: roadblocks in the street. Yeah.

795
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh you're isolating your community for sure. I want

796
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: to go back to Marshall brains plan that he pitched

797
00:52:54,200 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 2: decades ago. That's the one where there are magnets all

798
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 2: of the streets, on all of the vehicles. They're elect

799
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: their electromagnets, and what they do is they repel on

800
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 2: all sides, including on the city streets, so that you

801
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: literally lock vehicles in Uh. Basically, it's almost like the

802
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: floating semiconductors that you have seen probably where it's a

803
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 2: little tiny round thing just floating somehow locked in in

804
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: position there. It's like that, but with magnets, so you

805
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: can never hit the car in front of you. You

806
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: can only move the car in front of you if

807
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: you accidentally get too close. And they would do the

808
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 2: same thing. Wait, hold on, that sounds like a really

809
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: bad idea. Actually not. But if they were, if they

810
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 2: were driverless vehicles operating, you know, essentially on rails like that,

811
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 2: and they couldn't hit each other, I don't know, Maybe

812
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 2: it could be good.

813
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 3: Maybe it could be good. Also, what passes for my

814
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 3: internal emode of Beckonis just lights up when we mentioned

815
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 3: Marshall Brain. You know what I mean? That guy. That

816
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 3: guy's a legend around these stuff. They don't want you

817
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 3: to know parts and we might be overdue to talk

818
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 3: with talking mister brain again, Matt, what do you think?

819
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get his take on self driving vehicles AI right,

820
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: he'd be a great person to talk to about merging

821
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: you know, merging tech there.

822
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and for anybody who is who is not aware.

823
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 3: Back in the days of your in the evenings passed

824
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 3: when your faithful correspondents were but we young wisp of interns,

825
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 3: we worked pretty directly, pretty often with Marshall bringing, the

826
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 3: creator and founder of How Stuff Works. Matt, you were

827
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 3: doing tons and tons of videos with him. I had to.

828
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 3: I was fortunate to be able to write things for him,

829
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 3: and man, you know what it was like. It was

830
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 3: like if you started at Wendy's and on your first

831
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 3: day Dave Thomas walked in and said, sell me a cheeseburger.

832
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: Well, yeah for me. He was like, who are you okay? Yeah, sure, no,

833
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: I'm just choking him. I was like, thank you for

834
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: making this website. It helped me a lot when I

835
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: was in school. You're awesome.

836
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were definitely fan boys. I remember the first time,

837
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 3: the first time I had an in depth conversation with him,

838
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 3: it was a while after it started, and it's because

839
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 3: I asked him you remember the clapper?

840
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: Yes, like you could clap it.

841
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 3: It would turn things on and off. The first very

842
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 3: in depth conversation I had with him was when I

843
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 3: asked him out clapper's work.

844
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 2: That's a good question. Actually, look, man, we've gone down

845
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: this weird road of learning strange little factoids about how

846
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 2: things function, and we've been doing it for so long.

847
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: I you know, I think it's just normal to us

848
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 2: at this point. But if I was walking around and

849
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: just going how does a clapper work? If I didn't

850
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 2: have a lot of the other, you know, basically engineering

851
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: information that we've unlocked somehow through this journey, I would

852
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: be like, I don't know what, how does it hear

853
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: the clap? How does it know that two claps mean

854
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 2: on off? What? What's going on here? Yeah? I would

855
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 2: be very confused.

856
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 3: Also, it's a it's a great prank if you if

857
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 3: you have cool co workers, it's a great prank to

858
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 3: tell them you've installed a clapper somewhere. Yes, in like

859
00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 3: a rumor supply room. All right, well that's that's neither

860
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 3: here nor there. And of course, folks, we're saying when

861
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 3: we say factoid, we mean a brief bit of news

862
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 3: or information. We're not using the other meaning of factoid there,

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Speaker 3: but we are aware of it. We have so much

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Speaker 3: more strange news that we haven't gotten to yet. Our

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Speaker 3: pal Noll has a great update on Aman Bundy, which

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Speaker 3: we are going to save for another another noctivigant adventure.

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Speaker 3: And in the meantime, just so everyone knows, we are

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Speaker 3: going to have a classic episode coming out in place

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Speaker 3: of our usual listener mail segment, but we will be

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Speaker 3: back in a full force your favorite conspiratorial triumvirate very

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Speaker 3: very soon. Tune in for some of our upcoming episodes.

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Speaker 3: Not too many spoilers, but there's a war on chips.

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Speaker 3: There may be war on chips, I should say, And uh,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna hack reality. We're gonna teach you how to

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Speaker 3: build your own conspiracy. We have such wonders to show you,

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Speaker 3: and we would like you to join us, become part

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Speaker 3: of the show. Uh, Matt how how would how would

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Speaker 3: one go about uh venturing into the void of stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know?

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Speaker 2: Well, you can type the phrase one word conspiracy stuff

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Speaker 2: into x slash Twitter YouTube. We find our channel there.

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Speaker 2: You can also check out the Old House Stuff Works

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Speaker 2: YouTube channel has a lot of our like original classics

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Speaker 2: you can see check it out.

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Speaker 3: And some stuff where uh and some stuff where yours

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Speaker 3: truly yours truly's are appearing in uh non stuff they

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Speaker 3: don't want you to know videos you can you can

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Speaker 3: see several those. You can also if you are an

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Speaker 3: of those, you can also catch my ride ors Die

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Speaker 3: mister Matt Frederick doing some excellent vo work in places

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Speaker 3: you might not expect and should you not quite sip

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Speaker 3: the social needs. If you've listened to our episodes on

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Speaker 3: big data and the agglomerative danger of letting the void

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Speaker 3: know everything about you, maybe your old school, you know,

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe you still got a landline. Maybe that's as

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Speaker 3: far as as you trust the technology of today. Well,

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Speaker 3: there's good news for you as well, Fellow conspiracy realist.

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Speaker 3: You can contact us directly on your telephonic device of choice.

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Speaker 2: When you call in, give yourself a cool nickname, not

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Speaker 2: because it is one of my favorite things we've made

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Speaker 2: in a long time. Also, the noctificant one just there's

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Speaker 2: something about it just makes me so happy doing a

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Speaker 2: dream sequence inside a short form video. If you don't

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Speaker 2: want to do any of that stuff either, then why

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Speaker 2: not just send us a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 3: We are conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff they don't want you to know. Is a production

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