1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome 4 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name 5 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: is Noel. They called me Ben. It's good to be back. 6 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: We're joined with our super producer Paul Decant as always 7 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: and most importantly, you are you. You are here, and 8 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Matt, 9 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: that bend shaped whole from last time is filled in 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: with a bend shaped figure. Oh my gosh, it's filled 11 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: in so much like he. Not only did he go 12 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: on adventures and come back, he brought us gifts he did. 13 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: Oh thanks, Yeah. Behind the behind the curtain, all of 14 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: our birth days occur in a very close span of time, 15 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: totally unplanned, totally unplanned unless our parents are part of 16 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: a conspiracy we have yet to discern. And we were 17 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: all accidental births as well. And I did not know 18 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: that about you know. And uh. One of the practices 19 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: that I personally like to do, and the highly recommend 20 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: anyone listening, is that when you celebrate your birthday, the 21 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: only real New Year's you get take some time to 22 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: appreciate your friends and family, give them presents instead. Think 23 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: of it as a loyalty program, but not as creepy 24 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: as the big data grocery store cards. Okay, I think 25 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: we can all do that. Wait, are you saying you 26 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: don't use a Kroger Plus card? Man? I still don't think. 27 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: But to give you such value and the gas points, 28 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: it's the only way I can afford food for my family. 29 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: It's interesting, though, because if you're old enough to remember 30 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: the times before the introduction of those cards, the prices 31 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: were initially lower if you used the card, but then 32 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: they just upped the prices gradually on all the other products, 33 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: so you're getting the normal price for a ride. I'm 34 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: saying they're taking your data for a ride, for sure. 35 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: But speaking of rides, speaking of traveling, I want to 36 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: thank you guys for doing what I hear is a 37 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: fantastic episode while while I was away? Who told you that? 38 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: You told me that we got we got through it? 39 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: We did get We did get through it? Listeners right in? 40 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: Did we did? We? Was it? Okay? But yeah, I 41 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: can't wait to hear it. It's only the it's only 42 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: the second episode. I've ever missed, and I was. I 43 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: really missed you guys, So it's great to be back. 44 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: And one place that I have not traveled to in 45 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: all this gallivanting and globe trotting is Italy. Have you 46 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: guys ever been to Italy? Not once, but definitely I 47 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: want to go there. I would very much like to go, 48 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: but not so much after this episode. Maybe not to Florence, 49 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: right spoilers, Hey, Paul, have you ever been to Italy? 50 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so Paul just said he's been to 51 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: Italy and Florence. We might we might consult you a 52 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: little bit for some background information today, Paul, what do 53 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: we think of when we think of Italy? Just just 54 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: like off the top of the dome, first impressions? Olives 55 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: there we go? Yeah, I would say the Canals of Venice. 56 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: Maybe Gondola's also in Venice. Pizza clear, the popa, yeah, 57 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: making a return? Yeah, the Pope in the Vatican, Uh, 58 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: fresh steaming pasta maybe right. I thought you're gonna say 59 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: something else. Perhaps that as well. Uh, let's go the 60 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: whole nine with the stereotypes. Maybe somebody's singing a moore 61 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: a right, possibly while piloting a gondola and wearing a 62 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: black and white striped shirt very similar to the one 63 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: you're wearing right now, Ben, I mean, yeah, this one 64 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: is Uh. I think this is from Korea. It was 65 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: way hotter there than I thought it would be. But 66 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: beyond these images we see of Italy, the country also 67 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: has a dark side, a history of violent murders that 68 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: some alleged border on the occult. And here are the facts. 69 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: In today's episode, we're exploring some of the most well 70 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: known homicide cases in modern Italian history. Will start with 71 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: the Beasts of Satan and then eventually will meet maybe 72 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: the Monster of Florence. So the Beasts of Satan. This 73 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: is beasts plural, beasts plural monster singular, but asterix right, 74 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: so the Beast of Satan. This story begins in January 75 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: when two young people to utes of Italy, Fabio Tullus 76 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: and Chara Marino Uh disappear their teena just the both 77 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: just around sixteen. They have been drinking at a pub 78 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: called The Midnight. Sounds like a respectable neighborhood watering hole, 79 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: real family place, but no. As it turns out, it 80 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: was sort of a meet up spot for folks in 81 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: like the black metal scene, right, yeah, suf, which is 82 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: you know this stuff like you hear about with the 83 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: Swedish death metal bands, well black metal, I think if 84 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: we're talking stylistically, black metal has the witchier vocal. It's 85 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: like dot and death metals more right right there, they 86 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: were both involved in black metal and death metal. I'm 87 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: glad you brought up Scandinavia, old because a lot of 88 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: members of black metal and death metal bands in Scandinavia 89 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: were implicated in church burnings, right, That's what I was 90 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: getting to. And also even like the ones that maybe 91 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: didn't actually murder each other, like members of the band Mayhem. 92 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: I think you may remember hell Hammer, yeah exactly, or 93 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: that was that a guy or a band? They all 94 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: I can never I always confuse them because they all 95 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: have these crazy names. But there's there's a story where, um, 96 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: the cover of a Mayhem record I believe had an 97 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: actual image of a dude's suicide. Like they walked in 98 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: and this former band member had blown his brains out 99 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: and they took a picture of it. And then there 100 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: was a whole thing where one of the members was 101 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: implicated and stabbing one of the other members to death 102 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: many many times then the church burning all in service 103 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: of Satan, yeah, I guess yeah, or just psychological issues. 104 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: There was also a little bit of cannibalism alleged in 105 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: that case. So let's get let's get back to uh. Fabio, 106 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: Fabio and Chiara Kiara Shara. Yeah, they were as we said, 107 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: they had sixteen. They were out drinking at the midnight, 108 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: participating in the heavy metal scene in Milan, and they 109 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: never came home. A lot of their friends claimed that 110 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: the two would just run off together, and the police 111 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: initially seemed to accept this explanation as well. However, for 112 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: Fabio's father, a guy named Michelle Tollis, didn't buy it. 113 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: He started doing his own research, which we always applaud. 114 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: He attended metal concerts in this scene, and he went 115 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: to festivals not just in Italy but across Europe searching 116 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: for his son. And as we mentioned, Fabio and those 117 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: in his circle were into extremely, extremely dark metal. The 118 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: genres of death metal and black metal both known for 119 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: their use of gruesome satanic imagery like corpse paint. Corpse paint, 120 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: which is the white and black stuff meant to give 121 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: you a paller think of a less cartoonish kiss yeah, 122 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: I mean a little more hardcore. And there they were 123 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: even known for like carrying around severed um or dead 124 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: animals and bags that they would smell before going on 125 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: stage of a real kind I don't know. And some 126 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: of it you read these stories and you're like, is 127 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: this all just for show and kind of just like 128 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: a sort of an extreme version of punk rock or something, 129 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: or was their actual satanic ritual going on? Not really 130 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: clear even when you read the stories about these Scandinavian bands. Yeah, 131 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: how much of it is sort of Alice Cooper performative 132 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: stuff and how much of it is a reflection of 133 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: their genuine beliefs. The weird thing here is that Fabio 134 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: was very into this stuff, and it turned out that 135 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: his girlfriend also had a pretty extensive collection of satanic 136 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: literature and quote paraphernalia. So paraphernalia, as we know, is 137 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: a pretty large term, right Yeah, like glass pipes, right yeah, right, 138 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: like last pipes. So this could have been uh, just 139 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: chalice is could have been pentagrams, could have just been 140 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,479 Speaker 1: jewelry or things that maybe we're even interpreted as Satanic 141 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: investigators yea. And in his search, Fabio's father became convinced 142 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: that the two would not just disappeared. He became convinced 143 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: that Satanism as something to do with his son's disappearance. 144 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: It did not help that Michelle felt his son's former 145 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: friends grew increasingly squirrelly and evasive when he asked them 146 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: about the disappearance. His friends, the people who should be 147 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: there like worried. Yeah, can we also point out real quick, 148 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: this is something that's probably obvious to everybody, or that 149 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: that's that's looked into this stuff. The idea of Satanism 150 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: is often a huge misnomer because like the Church of 151 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: Satan and like Anton Lavy, it's much more of a 152 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: it's not a joke religion, but it's like much more 153 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: anti God than pro Satan, or like anti religion in 154 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: general than pro the deity of Satan. He's more symbol 155 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: of like you know, revolution or liberation, liberation and and 156 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: kind of liberty, like the French notion of that. So 157 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: it's interesting to see these things referred to as Satanic panics, 158 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: like the murders at robin Hood Hills. The ment was six, 159 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: how many of them? When they're you know those kids, 160 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: their documentary is made about them getting railroaded for these 161 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 1: supposedly satanic ritualistic murders. Satanism is that they're not they're 162 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: not really about that kind of stuff. Well it's okay, 163 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: so this is an interesting thing. Long time listeners will 164 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: probably remember how we had covered this in some earlier episodes, 165 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: I believe. So there's the Satanism that is typically referred 166 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: to here in the US as exactly what you're describing. 167 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: All the Anton LaVey do as thou wilt shall be 168 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: the whole of the law, and that's more about a 169 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: spiritual liberation from rigid metaphysical hierarchies, right, whether they're treated 170 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: as metaphors or actual things. But there's another genre of 171 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: Satanism called deistic satanism, meaning that yes, there is a God, 172 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: Yes there is a great adversary, and we're cool with 173 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: the latter. Yeah. So so there there is a difference. 174 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: I think often for who are experiencing or civilizations, whether 175 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: they're experiencing a Satanic panic, they're thinking not of the 176 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: more philosophical free yourself from uh, free yourself from Christian 177 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: ideology kind of satanism. They're thinking of the deistic the 178 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: devil is alive. I hear him breathing kind of Satanists. Absolutely. 179 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: I think what I was saying was more in reference 180 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: to the whole idea of the death metal bands and 181 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: the black metal and all that. I don't know that 182 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: that is necessarily based on like doing any kind of 183 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: devil worship per se. It's more just like we hate 184 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: God and hate religion and think what it represents is 185 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: bad for humanity in some way. Yeah, and it, interestingly enough, 186 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: it's it's a misnumber that goes beyond the label of Satanism, 187 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: because a lot of Scandinavian metal bands in particular are 188 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: rejecting Christianity and in turn embracing a neopagan approach. So 189 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: they're worshiping Wooden and things like that. So to them, 190 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: Christianity is an impressive force, which historically is very true. 191 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: It can be a little heavy handed, as as history 192 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: has shown. But let's get back into the beasts. So, 193 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: as I was saying, Michelle spent six years on his own, 194 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: out in the cold on this search, and he was 195 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: extensively documenting connections between the people his son knew, his 196 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: quote unquote friends from the metal scene, and there areas 197 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: where they hung out, their haunts if I could use 198 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: that word. Yeah, their bands and their mutual associates and connections. 199 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: And in two thousand and four, Michelle is watching the 200 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: news when he learns of a brutal murder in a 201 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: nearby town, Soma, Lombardo. A young man named Andrea Volpe 202 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: is arrested for killing his ex girlfriend, woman named Mary 203 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: Angela Pezzotta, and Volpe quickly admits to the crime. You 204 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:01,599 Speaker 1: got me, I did it, not framed. Michelle, however, recognizes 205 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: this name. You see. It turns out that Volpe played 206 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: in a band with Michelle's son, Fabio. Oh jeez. So 207 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: six years later, he decides to call the police, and 208 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: they're impressed, but initially they're skeptical. Of course, there's nothing 209 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: law enforcement hates more than a self impointed law expert, 210 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 1: and so they find when he presents his evidence that 211 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: he has actually done a bang up job with his investigation. 212 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: They're impressed by the thoroughness of it and the quality 213 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: They actually use his work, his research. When they're interrogating 214 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: Vulpa about the disappearances, and he breaks. He confesses. He says, 215 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: your son and his girlfriend didn't just disappear, they were murdered. Furthermore, 216 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: he tells police, I can show you where they are buried. Yeah, 217 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: my god. And it turned is out that, Um, this 218 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: other dude, another one of Fabio's friends, this guy named 219 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: Mario Marcione or Marcione, he confessed himself to the murder 220 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: of these two individuals. He said he'd beaten Fabio to 221 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: death with a hammer of all things. Uh. And then 222 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: he also revealed that he was not the only person 223 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: involved in these murders. Um. And there were actually a 224 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: group of them, a group of boys. They were part 225 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: of this network. It was a Satanic community that called 226 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: itself the Beasts of Satan. Was that also the name 227 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: of their band, because that is a real missed opportunity. 228 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: If it wasn't, I believe it was the I believe 229 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: it was the network's name. It may have been a 230 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,119 Speaker 1: name for a band as well, but it was definitely 231 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: the name of this conspiracy. And this is an active conspiracy. 232 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: Police also learned that, in addition to murdering these two children, 233 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: there was a drummer in the metal scene named Andrea 234 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: Bontade who had been driven to suicide by the same group. 235 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: They gas lit him, they got in his head, They emotionally, 236 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: mentally terrorized him until one day he committed suicidey ended 237 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: his life by purposely crashing his car while inebriated. And 238 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: we have to stop for one note here. It's it's 239 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: a little bit difficult in those sorts of cases to 240 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: know for sure, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that 241 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: a weather junk driver meant to kill themselves in a vehicle. 242 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: So it could have been that he was just depressed 243 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: and too drunk to drive, But the press and law 244 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: enforcement treated it as a suicide. And while this is 245 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: all happening Italy at the time, a very conservative, very 246 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: Catholic country, already has this boiling fear right just simmering 247 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: right under the surface. Uh. And the fear is that 248 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: there would be some arc hayne, some hidden some occulted, 249 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: occult network, little word play there that is actively undermining 250 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: the power of the Church and is a threat to 251 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: good Christians or good Catholics everywhere. And this story the 252 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: Beast of Satan, this is the powder caag that ignites 253 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: an Italian culture and a genuine Satanic panic hits the zeitgeist. Again, 254 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: it had already been there under the surface. And if 255 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: you look at the timeline. Similar things are happening in 256 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: the United States. I'm sure anybody alive during the late 257 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: eighties early nineties can recall that it goes back to 258 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: Memphis to like you have just mentioned, to talk shows. Yeah, 259 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: and it goes back to talk shows too. That you're right, 260 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: I blame Marilyn Manson. You leave Brian out of this. 261 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: Have you seen him lately? He is a mess. He 262 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: is a big, old, sloppy mass. He's not quite Billy Oregon, miss. I. 263 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: When I say a mess, that just mean like every 264 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: time he's on camera talking that he seems like completely 265 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: drunk out. Yeah. Yeah, fames of fickle Mistress for sure. 266 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: And this panic, Yeah, panic is a good word for it. 267 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: This panic hit police just as much as it hit 268 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: the public and the tabloids, so much so that in 269 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: the course of this investigation, they decide they will create 270 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: a special unit focusing on quote new religious sects, particularly 271 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: Satanist of any variety and violent quote ritualistic groups. They 272 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: want to coordinate nationwide investigations into potentially dangerous new religious movements, 273 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: and they plan to include not only psychologists and investigators, 274 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: but a priest who is an expert on the occult 275 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: that sounds like a comic book in the making, doesn't it. 276 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: It really does, but it seems like probably the right 277 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: move if this is the kind of thing you're targeting. 278 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: And if you want to learn more about the context 279 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: of Italy at this time, check out our episode on 280 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: the Vatican and exorcism, especially the chief exorcist, right is 281 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: what is it? Father a More which you can find 282 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: a documentary on Neckflix Netflix about right now, and he 283 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: is a very conservative man. He also associate Terry Potter 284 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: with the rise of Satanism. Several other people are convicted 285 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: in the trials that result in this Beast of Satan investigation, 286 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: Paolo Leoni, Marcos Ampolo Eros monter Roso, Elizabetta Ballarat and 287 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: the leader, a plumber named Nicola Sapone, who is not 288 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: a musician but is the spiritual guru of this group 289 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: and is thought to have been the the sort of 290 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: Charles Manson behind the murders. Right, so maybe not himself 291 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: wielding the hammer in this case, but being the operative 292 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: mental force behind it. And this means that in at 293 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: least one case, although people will say that Satanic panics 294 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: are often overblown, in at least one case here there 295 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: was an active satanic conspiracy occurring in Italy, confirmed, proven 296 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: and real and luckily fortunately officially solved. Officially. You're right, officially, 297 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: but that takes us to another case and something even 298 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: more I guess notorious would be a good word. Uh. 299 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: This is going to contain some graphics sexual content. Want 300 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: you to know that before heading in. This may not 301 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: be suitable for all listeners. This is the story of 302 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: the Monster of Florence, which we will get to right 303 00:19:52,560 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: after a quick break and we're back. We're gonna jump 304 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: into the Monster of Florence. In the nineteen eighties, there 305 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: were a series of murders, the first of which that 306 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: was discovered by police. It looked a little something like 307 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: this and has been mentioned before. This is gonna get graphic, 308 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: so please stop listening if if you need to. Someone 309 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: was finding cars that were out in the in the 310 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: countryside around Florence, and inside these cars there were usually 311 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: a male and a female who were a bit younger, 312 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: or at least one of them was a bit younger, 313 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: usually unmarried, and they were engaging in amorous acts in 314 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: their vehicles. And it's really interesting. There's an article really 315 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: more of a account a true crime story called The 316 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: Monster of Florence by Douglas Preston from The Atlantic Um 317 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: where he points out that for it's just kind of 318 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: historical thing in Italy that folks would live with their 319 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: parents until they got married, and said, this culture of 320 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: like having sex and cars very much a thing. And 321 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: they were even kind of creepers that were called like Indianni. 322 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: I believe it is a little bit of a racially 323 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,719 Speaker 1: problematic term because it translates to Indians. It meant kind 324 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: of people kind of creeping around, you know, so not 325 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: not the best look in terms of racial sensitivity there. 326 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: But they would even like have like listening devices, and 327 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: it was like a total culture of this kind of behavior. Um, 328 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: So I just want to point that out of front. 329 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: And this wasn't just like an isolated yet and and 330 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: it was a total hunting ground for the person we're 331 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: about to talk about. Yes, so lovers lanes. Yeah, even 332 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: people who were engaged to be married would still participate 333 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: in this. So in June of one June six, this 334 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: is one of the first cases they find initially, although 335 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: there's another there are another couple that we'll get too later. 336 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: A couple of cases. Rather. Uh. There's a guy named 337 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: Giovanni foji f O g g I. He works at 338 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: a warehouse. He's the eighty years old. His fiancee is 339 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: one a little southern there. His fiance is a shop 340 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: assistant named Carmela di Nuccio. And they are found shot 341 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: to death and stabbed near the town where they both live, 342 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: an area called Scandici. Denuco's body was pulled out of 343 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: the car, and this is the graphic part. The killer 344 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: had cut out her pubic area, her the entire her 345 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: reproductive work, and not just cut out like some sort 346 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: of brutal, you know, blunt instrument act. It was a 347 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: an act of precision, of almost surgical precision. And the 348 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: next morning, guy who was known to be one of 349 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: these Peeping Tom characters, a paramedic by trade named Enzo Spilatti, 350 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: went around and apparently was talking in town about the 351 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: murder before the corpses have been officially discovered. So he 352 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: gets arrested. Just bracket him will come back. He's in 353 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: jail for about three months at this time, and the 354 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: police don't really have any leads, but let me let 355 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: me clarify something here. So we said one right, June. 356 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: That's when the police find the bodies of Giovanni and Carmela. 357 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: They also at some point think there there might be 358 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: other things occurring. Other murders start happening. In October three 359 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: of the same year, a couple, Stefano Baldy and Susannah Canby, 360 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: are also engaged. They're going to be married. They're in 361 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: a car and they are found shot to death and stabbed. 362 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: Another wrinkle occurs here because an anonymous person calls Susannah 363 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: Cambi's mother the morning after the murder to talk about 364 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: her daughter, and a few days before the murder, it 365 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: turns out Susannah had told her mother that there was 366 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: some one and stalking or chasing her by car. And 367 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: then another murder occurs in June nine nine two. Paolo 368 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: Maynardi and Antonola miguel Orini. I should say apologies for 369 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: our pronunciation of the Italian names here, also engaged. They 370 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: are They are found shot to death, but this time 371 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: the killer does not mutilate the female victim. She is 372 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: still alive when she has found, but she dies a 373 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,479 Speaker 1: few hours later at the hospital. And it looks like 374 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: when the police are trying to reconstruct this that the 375 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: killer drove the car a few feet to hide the 376 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: vehicle and corpses in a wooded area, but then lost 377 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: control of the car and eventually abandoned the scene. And 378 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: that's when something even more strange happened, because originally now 379 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: the police believe these murders begin sometime in the eighties, right, 380 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: But twelve days after that murder, in June of nine two, 381 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: the police and Florence received an anonymous letter that's right um. 382 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: Inside was a an aged clipping from La Nazione, which 383 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: was the paper of note Um, and it was about 384 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: a kind of long forgotten double murder from nineteen sixty 385 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: eight where a man and a woman were slain while 386 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: having sex in a part car um and scrawled on 387 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: the article was a little bit of advice said take 388 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: another look at this crime. And that's it. No fingerprints, 389 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: no forensic evidence. This was clean. So someone had at 390 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: least taken the care to make sure it was truly anonymous. Right. 391 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: The nineteen sixty eight murder had previously been considered solved. 392 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: It occurred on August one, worker a mason worker named 393 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: Tonio loo Bianco and Barbara Locchi were shot to death 394 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: with a twenty two, Burretta in a small town west 395 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: of Florence. Unfortunately, there was a kid sleep in the car, 396 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: woke up, found some mother dead. Ran to a nearby 397 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: house like two in the morning. Open the door, let 398 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: me in. Get this. I'm tired and my dad's sick 399 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: in bed. He has to drive me home. My mom 400 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: and my uncle are dead in the car. That's right. 401 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: The woman who was in the car was married, and 402 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: she was not The guy she was sleeping with was 403 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: not her husband. Her husband was a man named Stefano Mela, 404 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: and he was arrested for this crime. That's right. He 405 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: was an immigrant from Sardinia. And they actually did a 406 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: test on him that showed that he had recently fired 407 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: a gun, a handgun, and he can fast to doing 408 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: this murder. These murders um in uh an act of 409 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:11,479 Speaker 1: just you know, complete passionate jealousy. Yes, not premeditated. That 410 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: was his that was his initial argument. He would spend 411 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: six years in jail, and it was considered an open 412 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: and shut case until other very similar murders occurred, and 413 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: when the nine murders were committed, and it was demonstrably 414 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: true that he could not have committed these because he 415 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: was uh yeah, he was incarcerated at the time, right, 416 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: he would not have been capable physically doing these murders. 417 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: And he became the number one interview that Italian journalists 418 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: wanted to acquire. And then he said something very troubling 419 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: in an interview with Spezi which I had found in 420 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: the Atlantic article that I think we mentioned earlier. He 421 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: is pacing around. He seems a little discombobulated, but he mutters, 422 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: they need to figure out where that pistol is otherwise 423 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: there will be more murders. They will continue to kill. 424 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: They will continue. That's right, folks. They yeah, a single pistol, 425 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: end of the they So when I take a quick 426 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: moment to give props to this guy, Mario Spezi, who 427 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: kind of became a hot shot crime reporter in Italy 428 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: around this time and was the guy who Um the 429 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: inspector in Thomas Harris's um sequel to Silence of the 430 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: Lambs Hannibal was based on, and in fact that story 431 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: in general was inspired by these cases, and Harris himself 432 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: went to a lot of the trials and spoke to 433 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: Spezi in person and was a big part of this 434 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: whole world. And I believe Spezi was even a little 435 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: irritated that spoiler alert for Hannibal Um, the character that 436 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: was based on him, gets hung by his own guts 437 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: out of the balcony of a piazza. And this, this statement, 438 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: this plural statement, they will continue to hill led journalists 439 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: and investigators in police to believe that Mela, while responsible 440 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,959 Speaker 1: for the nineteen sixty eight murder, had not acted alone, 441 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: had not acted in a fit of passion. It had 442 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: not been a spontaneous crime, but rather what they call 443 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: a delicto de clan, a clan killing in which others 444 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: from what would later be called the Sardinian circle had participated. 445 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: So investigators started to theorize that one of the killers 446 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: had enjoyed this experience in nineteen sixty eight, so much 447 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: so that he had gone on to become the Monster 448 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: of Florence, using, in a massive stroke of stupidity, the 449 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: same gun. And the next murder cases that proceed after this, 450 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: after nineteen eighty two on through nineteen eighty three and 451 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: up to nineteen five, they were all connected by location type, 452 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: by the m O you know, people in Kars been together, 453 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: and the same twenty two caliber case scenes that were 454 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: found at crime scenes, and I believe that they all 455 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: had the same unique signature of the muzzle of that 456 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: baretta in question that's persisted throughout these cases. That's correct, 457 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: and we know a little bit about the method of attack. 458 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: The killer would wait until the couple was engaged in 459 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: intimate activity so their guard would be down right, and 460 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: then typically shoot the male first and use a flashlight 461 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: to both illuminate the vehicle and lower the chances of 462 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: the killer being clearly identified, And then they would shoot 463 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: the female occupant. Then they would use a knife to 464 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: stab both victims multiple times, which tells us a little 465 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: bit about the emotional state of the killer, because a 466 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: gunshot would already have for lack of a better phrase, 467 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: done done the task, at least in theory, right. Uh. 468 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: Depending on how you shoot someone with the twenty two, 469 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: they could die quite quickly, right, So the stabbing seems 470 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: to be an act of rage of some sort. Then 471 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: the body of the funerale victim was dragged away and 472 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: the knife was used to mutilate them. The same knife 473 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: most likely used to do the stabbing after the initial shooting, 474 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: which I think I read would have been the kind 475 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: of knife that a scuba diver would use that has 476 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: kind of a hook on it, not notches. Yeah, and 477 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: again that very surgical precision and one of the one 478 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: of the murders, I think only one um A, I 479 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: believe a breast was removed as well. Um so that 480 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: was it was definitely someone was theorized that they might 481 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: have been a butcher or possibly someone that had some 482 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: experience and in a surgical theater. And there was a 483 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: layer correspondence where in a single left nipple was mailed 484 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: to law enforcement. Yeah. Okay, so we haven't got into 485 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: There's a lot more about this case and we need 486 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: to keep exploring, and we'll do that right after a 487 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: quick word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. 488 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: To this day as we record this in Despite multiple investigations, 489 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: despite numerous trials, the case of the Monster of Florence 490 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: remains officially unsolved. Multiple people were arrested and even convicted 491 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: over the years, but further killings using the same gun 492 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: that twenty two under the same circumstances. While these suspects 493 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: were imprisoned, ultimately exonerated them. Investigators questioned more than one 494 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: hundred thousand people some degree in hopes of gathering new evidence, 495 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: and they had. They had numerous suspects. Remember Enzo Spilatti 496 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: we have mentioned earlier. He was the ambulance driver who 497 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: was initially suspected his car been parked near the scene 498 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: of the crime, and as law enforcement officers asked him 499 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: more and more questions, he gave vague, conflicting alibis, probably 500 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: because he didn't want to say that he was a 501 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: voyeur part of the culture we mentioned earlier. Uh More 502 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: evidence revealed that he had told his wife about this 503 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: incident before it was announced in the paper. He was 504 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: charged with two counts a homicide. He was sent to 505 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: prison to stand trial. Several months later. However, a new 506 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: murder led police to believe they got the wrong guy. 507 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,719 Speaker 1: He was just a creepy dude, not a murderer. But 508 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,959 Speaker 1: they also questioned a farmer named Pietro Pazziani, who was 509 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: a former rapist and murderer who had been arrested in 510 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty one when he caught his fiance sleeping with 511 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: a traveling salesman and killed the guy. Here's the thing 512 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: about him. To even his family, who admittedly hated the 513 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: guy because he was a drunk and in an abusive bully. 514 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: Even they said, yeah, this guy's the worst, but he 515 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: didn't do this, and yeah, and and the you know, 516 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: our our journalist friend Um Spetsy also didn't buy it 517 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: because you know, these were very precisely carried out acts 518 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: um with that surgical attention to detail. And this guy 519 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: was kind of a big, bumbling, drunken buffoon. Yeah, but 520 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: they also investigators thought he was quite intelligent. Investigators thought 521 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: he was quite intelligent. His alcoholism, yes, and he was. 522 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: He stated, like, let's just listen to this. That where 523 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: he found his fiance in the car with a traveling salesman. 524 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: He said in the trial that he he saw the 525 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: image of her left breast when he like looked in 526 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: the car and saw her left breast with another man 527 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: in the car, it sent him into a rage and 528 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: he killed the man. Wasn't that one of the things 529 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: that led them to connected with him because of the 530 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: severed left breast and us the you know, his fiance, 531 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: the love of his life supposedly or whatever was cheating 532 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: on him and all this, and it's just like the 533 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: rage that he went through, right, but it was less 534 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: rest of one of the victims. Get this, at the 535 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: time of this new investigation. He's already been released after 536 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: serving check it out, thirteen years in prison for murdering 537 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: this guy in fifty one. That's it. Thirteen years. Yeah, 538 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: he's been out of prison for a while. Yeah, that's 539 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: the price you pay, thirteen years. Think about it when 540 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: you're in Italy. But in a trial in nine he 541 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: is convicted for fourteen of the sixteen counts of murder 542 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: attributed to the Monster of Florence. All you know, many 543 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: tied together with the use of this twenty two because 544 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: there is supposedly a twenty two caliber round found in 545 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: his garden more or less the European word for yards 546 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: or something that we would used in the States, and 547 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: this round matched the rounds used in the Monster Slanes. However, 548 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: I believe it was Specy who, when he was on 549 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: assignment from a television station, videotaped a police officer at 550 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: the search of the property, saying that this is the 551 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: police officer talking in. The police officer said he believed 552 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: the chief inspector had planted this round in that guy's garden, 553 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: and it was an unspent round. It wasn't it wasn't 554 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: a casing, and it certainly didn't have them the markings 555 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: in question of the of the weapon we're talking about, right, right, 556 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: So it's not it's not anywhere near as rock solid 557 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: as perhaps some factions of law enforcement wanted people to believe. 558 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: And in appeals court overturns this conviction. They say, a 559 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: lack of solid evidence. Yeah, it's crazy, because in fact, 560 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: this is something you just don't even hear happening. The 561 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: prosecutor who was on the case actually refused to prosecute 562 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 1: because it had been such a uh, just an abomination 563 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: of justice. He said it was something like the level 564 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: of it was like the work of Inspector Cluseau, the 565 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: famous bumbling pink panther detective. And he was acquitted, um, 566 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: and it was sent back to be retried. But he 567 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 1: actually Pacciani passed away in February of before this new 568 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: trial could could happen. So there's some stuff that happens 569 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: before he passes away. The investigators, despite the overturning for 570 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: the lack of evidence, and despite the advocacy of the 571 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:41,240 Speaker 1: former prosecutor, the investigators still believe that Passiani is guilty. Yeah, 572 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: even though he's you know, it's been overturned, right, They 573 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: believe they found evidence the monsters not acting alone, and 574 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: they get a confession from two other guys that are 575 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: friends of Passis. Yeah, Mario Vanni and gian Carlo Latti, 576 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: and um, they confessed like they that down when they confess, yes, 577 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: we helped Pacciani kill these guys, kill these people. Um. 578 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: And these two men end up getting convicted for four 579 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: of the double murders. Vanni was given life in prison 580 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 1: and Lottie was given a reduced sentence of twenty six years. 581 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: And at this point in the investigation, this is you know, 582 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: we've gone back a little. PASSIONI is still alive. The 583 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 1: investigators believe that Passiani is the leader of a group 584 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: of killers, and that's when they begin this retrial. And 585 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 1: as we said, days before this retrial, passion is found 586 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: dead in his home, allegedly officially from heart related issues. 587 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: But there are some questions about that, right, big ones 588 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: that that tie back into the saying the aforementioned satanic 589 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: panic of the beasts of Satan case that we talked 590 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 1: about at the top of the show. Was he dead 591 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: due to simple health issues or was there something rotten 592 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: in Florence? Right, So, then there's the Sardinian connection, which 593 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier. At one time, the investigation focuses on 594 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:15,240 Speaker 1: three Sardinian brothers, Francesco Salvatore and Giovanni Vinci. All three 595 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: had been lovers of the woman who has murdered in 596 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: nine and one or more have been present at her death. First, 597 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: the police arrest Francesco in September of three. With Francesco 598 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: Vinci in jail, the monster strikes again. So it keeps happening, 599 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 1: It keeps happening, and so initially police think, well, maybe 600 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 1: one of Francesco's affiliates has committed a new murder matching 601 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: the m O just to create a false lead, so 602 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: cold blooded that they said, let's kill two people and 603 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: make them just to make a red herring. Right, So 604 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 1: the police arrest Antonio van she on firearms charges, which 605 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: are admittedly kind of trumped up. There an excuse for 606 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 1: them to get him in the room, and they question 607 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: him intensely, but they're unable to break him and eventually 608 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,839 Speaker 1: they have to release him. Francesco remains in prison. So 609 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,879 Speaker 1: the police believe Francesco, while perhaps not be the murderer, 610 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: knows the identity of the true killer. And then later 611 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: there's a another guy who becomes implicated in this, a 612 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: fellow named Ricardo Viti. Viti is arrested for the suspected 613 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: murder of several prostitutes in areas of Florence very close 614 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: to the site of the monsters murders. Currently is not 615 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: considered the murderer, and a lot of people will say 616 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: that the Italian courts and law enforcement were just trying 617 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: to get their man to get the case closed. But then, 618 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: you know, we go back to the thing we've been 619 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: we've been talking about this entire time, which is is 620 00:40:54,760 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: this a loan serial killer or is this something deeper? 621 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,839 Speaker 1: Is there a cult at play? Like similar to Berkowitz 622 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 1: and the Son of Sam murders. Various investigators and criminologists 623 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,839 Speaker 1: have all argued that the Monster of Florence homicides are 624 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: the results of not only a group, but maybe even 625 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: a group practicing a cult esoteric rituals. Yikes. Yeah, this 626 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: whole notion that um, this this man who you know, 627 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 1: took the fall for these murders not only wasn't acting alone, 628 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: but was like the least of the involved parties, that 629 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: he was something more along the lines of a courier 630 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: um providing these sex organs for the purposes of Satanic 631 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: rituals or black masses. Right. Um, there's an article in 632 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: the Guardian called Italian mass killer was quote servant of 633 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 1: Satanic Sect. Yeah, yeah, and that that comes in two 634 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: thousand and one, right, pretty pretty recent and cons iteration 635 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 1: of the times in which these murders occurred. And we 636 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: should also note here that if there's any sand to this, 637 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: that means the time of which the murders we know 638 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: about occurred. So Noel, can you tell us a little 639 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: bit about what happens in this Guardian article? I do, 640 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,320 Speaker 1: but first I need to make a quick correction and 641 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Earlier I said that it was the 642 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: journalist who was um used as the inspiration for the 643 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 1: character and Thomas Harris's Hannibal. It was actually the chief inspector, 644 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: Ruggero Perugini who was used as that inspiration. So I 645 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: just clarify that quick. But yes, Italian mass killer was 646 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 1: the servant of Satanic sect. And our Guardian article by 647 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: Rory Carroll writing from Rome, and like he said, it's 648 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: from two thousand one. It it's just the notion that 649 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 1: there was some kind of high level society of Tuscan elite, 650 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: that we're carrying out these murders, or at least it 651 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: was on their behalf. Um. There was an investigation, a 652 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: raid that took place in the offices of um A, 653 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: a leading psychologist who was a member of the Secret 654 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: Service UM and it uncovered computer disks and notes and 655 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: books and all kinds of things detailing the killings and 656 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: these men who were rated, and they were necessarily considered suspects. 657 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: But it kind of points to some kind of deeper 658 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: cover up involving um Paciani, that he was a patsy 659 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: more or less, or that he, you know, maybe did 660 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 1: carry out the murders, but it was that it was 661 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: at the behest of some much more sinister figures in 662 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: high society. They were kind of pulling the strings and 663 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: the detrou affair in Belgium exactly. Yeah. But in this 664 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: case you've got two guys, Aurelio Mattie he's a psychologist 665 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: with the Secret Service, and this other dude, Francesco Bruno, 666 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: who was a leading criminal criminal psychologist, who are actually 667 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: working on the case of the Florence, the Monster of Florence. 668 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: And what's alleged here is that uh, these guys were 669 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: actually kind of withholding certain parts. As Pacciani is going 670 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: to trial and evidence is coming up because they're actually 671 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: implicated in it or part of the major reasons for 672 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 1: it happening. Yeah, and the mystery deepens as well, because 673 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: in two thousand and four there's a another inquiry that reopens. 674 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: The wife of a or the ex wife of a 675 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:44,280 Speaker 1: chemist named Francesco Klamandre comes forward and accuses her husband, 676 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,800 Speaker 1: Francesco or ex husband, of being associated with the killings. 677 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: There's an article in the Telegraph Monster of Florence killed 678 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: on cults order. In this In this description, the pharmacist 679 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: or the chemist is sixty years old and his home 680 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: has searched for eleven hours. Police find ten boxes of 681 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 1: pornographic material and associated paperwork, and Francesco is one of 682 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 1: thirteen people that are put under investigation. Officials at this 683 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,320 Speaker 1: point in two thousand four say they have concrete proof 684 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: to unmask those behind the murders, and they have been 685 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:26,280 Speaker 1: carried out according to a quote precise esoteric ritual. WHOA. 686 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: So it goes deeper, right, and still, let's say we 687 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: have to point out still this case is considered officially 688 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 1: unsolved and as crazy as it might sound to say 689 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: there's some kind of possible occult angle or cover up occurring, 690 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: there are a lot of troubling, circumstantial things to this case. Yeah, 691 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,360 Speaker 1: And one of them in particular was in when, um, 692 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: when Pacciani died of this supposed heart attack, a magistrate 693 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: who was investigating the case, a guy named Paolo kansa 694 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,400 Speaker 1: he Be, actually sat on the record that he believed 695 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,560 Speaker 1: that this death was the cause of some kind of 696 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,520 Speaker 1: poisoning to silence him from pointing the finger at the 697 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: real killers. And the last lie in this article in 698 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,600 Speaker 1: the Guardian is what kind of leaves me with some chills. 699 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 1: And I don't really know where to go from here, 700 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna give it to you. Um. Apparently Pacciani 701 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,840 Speaker 1: died with quite a bit of assets. He had two 702 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 1: homes and about fifty thousand lira in the bank, and 703 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: the idea is that this was money that he had 704 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,360 Speaker 1: been paid hush money. And they conjecture that the leader 705 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: of this sect could have been someone like a doctor 706 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,399 Speaker 1: or a lawyer, or someone you know, very high up 707 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: in in that society. Um. So I don't know, Yeah, 708 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 1: very troubling. I found some other strange stuff too about 709 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,360 Speaker 1: purported collateral deaths are created. In the Monster Florence case. 710 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,400 Speaker 1: You can find in various forms lists of numbers of 711 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: suspicious murders, deaths, or suicides that surround the case. And 712 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of I would say, allegation or maybe 713 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: speculation that these might be related. Uh. These are names 714 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:25,280 Speaker 1: of everyone from prostitutes to hotel workers, psychologists, also active 715 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:31,279 Speaker 1: we're active at the time that they were alive, active wizards, warlocks, magicians. 716 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 1: It gets very fuzzy, very very quickly. And the allegations 717 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,719 Speaker 1: here Again, one of the things that I keep going 718 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: back to in this case is that the question of 719 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 1: collaboration and conspiracy seems pretty it seems very possible. The 720 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 1: question to me now is just like, what what is 721 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 1: the nature of this group? Is it a group of 722 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 1: people who are related to each other and making repeated killings. 723 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,840 Speaker 1: Is it a group of a network enacting rituals, a 724 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,920 Speaker 1: network with enough influence to cover it up or keep 725 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 1: it keep it from being officially solved? You know, I 726 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,080 Speaker 1: think I think off air nol you had compared it 727 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 1: to true Detective. Oh yeah, I mean, that's it's got 728 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 1: it's got that vibe. And then, like we said, Thomas 729 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,719 Speaker 1: Harris definitely drew a lot of inspiration for this for 730 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,319 Speaker 1: his fictional book Hannibal. So I mean, it certainly has 731 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,879 Speaker 1: the stuff of great storytelling. And I read another I've 732 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:41,400 Speaker 1: read another allegation that didn't relate to clan killings or 733 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:48,520 Speaker 1: two serial killers. An article from July seventeen, the Italian 734 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:54,240 Speaker 1: Insider mentions the reopening of the Monster of Florence murders 735 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,600 Speaker 1: and also mentions a new suspect, a guy named Jump 736 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 1: Hairy Vigilante, who was eighty six years old at the time, 737 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 1: and the investigation argues that this series of murders occurs 738 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: to function as a false flag, a pista netta, meaning 739 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:23,320 Speaker 1: that according to the lawyers arguing this uh Vieira ad Rani. 740 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 1: He says that the crime serve as distractions from magistrates 741 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,439 Speaker 1: in public opinion from what was happening in Italy during 742 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,560 Speaker 1: the Strategy of Tension, the series of terrorist acts throughout 743 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,680 Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties committed by right wing extremists, such 744 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,720 Speaker 1: as the Bologna bombing, which aimed to shift the blame 745 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,880 Speaker 1: onto communists to quell communist movements, to gain support for 746 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,800 Speaker 1: right wing causes. Wow, that's a big conspiracy. Yeah, you 747 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 1: gotta like the simplicity of it, right, And they were like, 748 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,920 Speaker 1: what if the game mouse trap was what if we 749 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,320 Speaker 1: just did that? Yeah, but what if that's actually what happened. 750 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems kind it seems sort far fetched, 751 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,239 Speaker 1: doesn't it. It certainly does. I mean, I guess we 752 00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 1: could see some of that tailwagon the dog in other 753 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,360 Speaker 1: journalistic aspects, But it seems like a lot to murder 754 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,120 Speaker 1: people because whatever the motivation of the causes, the truth 755 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,520 Speaker 1: is that real people did die, and that seems it 756 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: seems like actually murdering people is going a bit far 757 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,840 Speaker 1: to distract from this. But again, the Bologna ball ing 758 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,880 Speaker 1: was a real thing. So we have at this point 759 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:35,560 Speaker 1: no official conclusions or answers, And I don't know what 760 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,600 Speaker 1: do you guys think. Do you think there's uh, do 761 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,120 Speaker 1: you think there's a cover up a foot? Yes? I 762 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,680 Speaker 1: think there is. There was some kind of cover up, 763 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,719 Speaker 1: But you know, there are two guys who went to 764 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,239 Speaker 1: jail for most of it, and maybe they were just Patsy's, 765 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,480 Speaker 1: but they did give confessions. I think weird rich dudes 766 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,880 Speaker 1: do stuff like this all the time. Probably. I'm not kidding, 767 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,279 Speaker 1: I really really, Oh, I definitely do. Yeah. I mean 768 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,800 Speaker 1: I think any I think as as perverse and twisted 769 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,520 Speaker 1: a thing as you can imagine. Somebody is paying a 770 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,920 Speaker 1: bunch of money to do it and and are able 771 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,000 Speaker 1: to continue doing it because of their position of power 772 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,239 Speaker 1: and prominence. I have no doubt in my mind that's true. 773 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 1: I argue that there's another force. I bet that could 774 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,000 Speaker 1: be true. But I argue there's another force that actively 775 00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,840 Speaker 1: aids and in bets this, which is that governments and 776 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: especially intelligence agencies, when they're functioning on rogue level, do 777 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,720 Speaker 1: encourage these things in order to have I'm not saying 778 00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,719 Speaker 1: these murders in particular, but do encourage illegal activities in 779 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,680 Speaker 1: order to have dirt on people. It's blackmail later if 780 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 1: you can get somebody in a honey pot situation. I'm 781 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,319 Speaker 1: not saying it has to be something wild and out 782 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,600 Speaker 1: there like cannibalism or crazy abuse. You could just be tape. Yeah, 783 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,480 Speaker 1: it could be a pe tape. It could be a prostitute, 784 00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,399 Speaker 1: it could be anything like that. And that that is 785 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:59,360 Speaker 1: a proven tactic of intelligence agencies. We've also heard allegations 786 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,280 Speaker 1: that that stands too much darker and more twisted territory 787 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,680 Speaker 1: than the public knows about. But yeah, that's the scary 788 00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 1: thing about this. We don't have definitive proof that it happened, 789 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,480 Speaker 1: but we have pretty good evidence that it's plausible. We 790 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,000 Speaker 1: have pretty good evidence of like the level of depravity 791 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,720 Speaker 1: that human nature can push people to. That's true, especially 792 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,440 Speaker 1: when it's slowly escalates and when they're corrupted by ultimate power. 793 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, I hate to sound like such a 794 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,919 Speaker 1: downer on the human race, but man, I we've seen 795 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,319 Speaker 1: some stuff, and yeah, I would even say just lack 796 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,080 Speaker 1: of consequences is enough. It might not even have a benefit. 797 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:43,640 Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, the terrible news is that modern ritual 798 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:49,360 Speaker 1: murders do continue to occur in Italy even today. In February, 799 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,440 Speaker 1: and eighteen year old girl named Pamela Mastro Pietro was 800 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:58,359 Speaker 1: discovered in two suitcases. Yes, her dismembered body had been 801 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:03,480 Speaker 1: left alongside this rural room near mar Mascerata, Italy. And 802 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,359 Speaker 1: this is gruesome again here you go. Her heart and 803 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:14,880 Speaker 1: internal organs were all missing and um m hmm. She 804 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 1: she's been struggling with drug problems. She recently went to 805 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,480 Speaker 1: this recovery clinic. To try and get some help, and 806 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,919 Speaker 1: she was to some degree familiar with the area as 807 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,479 Speaker 1: well as the you know, the criminal underground. That's they're 808 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,839 Speaker 1: the people who are moving in the shadows, giving her 809 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 1: past with drug abuse, right, yes, just getting it. So 810 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,680 Speaker 1: the investigation led law enforcement to the home of a 811 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:43,600 Speaker 1: twenty nine year old man named Innocent. Well, he's fine then, right, right, right, 812 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,080 Speaker 1: nominative determinism all the way. He is in a legal 813 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,720 Speaker 1: immigrant at the time, and he has a criminal record 814 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,239 Speaker 1: for drug dealing and it's probably still selling drugs at 815 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,520 Speaker 1: the time. They believed two of his associates are also arrested. 816 00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,680 Speaker 1: Police find blood covered clothing belonging to Mastro Pietro, along 817 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,760 Speaker 1: if knives and blades with her blood on them, and 818 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,480 Speaker 1: her body had been washed with bleach. He had washed 819 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:13,080 Speaker 1: his hands with bleach. The absence of her heart, internal organs, 820 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,719 Speaker 1: and sexual organs led police to suspect the girl may 821 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,719 Speaker 1: have been sacrificed in what and this is the law 822 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,480 Speaker 1: enforcement's term, and what they called quote some kind of 823 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:28,400 Speaker 1: voodoo ritual. According to criminologist Alessandro Malusi, it is a 824 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,320 Speaker 1: routine to cut victims into pieces and in some cases 825 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,960 Speaker 1: to eat parts of their body in this criminal underworld. 826 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,520 Speaker 1: Umlusi claims that cannibalism is more of a rule than 827 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,800 Speaker 1: an exception in these situations, and then people often refuse 828 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,920 Speaker 1: to speak out about the practice due to concerns being 829 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,000 Speaker 1: called racist. So again we see racism raising its head 830 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:53,359 Speaker 1: here in Italy because there is in these reports. We'll 831 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,880 Speaker 1: see things where someone will say otto immigrants, or murdering 832 00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,160 Speaker 1: people and eating them and what every other scary thing 833 00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,719 Speaker 1: you can think about. But in this case it does 834 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:08,120 Speaker 1: appear that at least this guy did kill someone ritualistically 835 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,520 Speaker 1: in order to through supernatural means, accomplished some task in 836 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,080 Speaker 1: the material world. That's what we mean when we say 837 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:22,480 Speaker 1: ritual murders. Ritual ritual murder is not just too uh, 838 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,000 Speaker 1: kill someone in a way that the killer finds interesting 839 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,200 Speaker 1: for its own sake. It is supposed to create some 840 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,280 Speaker 1: sort of effect in the world. Italian law enforcement claims 841 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,640 Speaker 1: other drug dealers participate in ritual murders with the goal 842 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:41,719 Speaker 1: of causing madness and death amongst the police population. Yeah. 843 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,600 Speaker 1: In December of a forty six year old Moroccan woman 844 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,760 Speaker 1: was found in a forest near Verona and her body 845 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:53,319 Speaker 1: was dismembered into approximately a dozen pieces their number. There 846 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,359 Speaker 1: are a number of other cases like this you can 847 00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:01,400 Speaker 1: unfortunately find in Italian media. However, big the big question 848 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,880 Speaker 1: is are these actually ritualistic murders or is law enforcement 849 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,680 Speaker 1: portraying them as such? And there's a huge historical and 850 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,239 Speaker 1: cultural context bubbling again just under the surface here. How 851 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,840 Speaker 1: much of the motivation for the betrayal of these things 852 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,480 Speaker 1: as religiously motivated ritual murders, how much, how much of 853 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,040 Speaker 1: that motivation comes from religiously motivated hysteria, how much of 854 00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:31,160 Speaker 1: it is corruption or incompetence in the Italian law enforcement system, 855 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,480 Speaker 1: and how much in recent cases could be attributed to racism. 856 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,759 Speaker 1: These are questions that are tough to answer, but one 857 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,480 Speaker 1: thing is for sure. There was at least one proven 858 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:44,280 Speaker 1: active Satanic conspiracy slash ritual murder group in Italy, and 859 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,719 Speaker 1: the case of the Monster of Florence remains to this 860 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:53,080 Speaker 1: day unsolved. So don't listen to death metal if you're 861 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,480 Speaker 1: in Italy. That's a bad idea because there's probably some 862 00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:00,360 Speaker 1: ritualistic murders happening somewhere near you within that scene. And 863 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,560 Speaker 1: then too, don't park your car and get amorous with 864 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,560 Speaker 1: someone in the countryside. Ever, unless you're married and you've 865 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:13,160 Speaker 1: got documents on the windows. This is like Jason Vorhees rules. Dude, Yeah, 866 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:14,719 Speaker 1: that's where That's where we're at. Can you do it 867 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,280 Speaker 1: in a tent? No? There, I don't think we talked 868 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,720 Speaker 1: about there. You want to get stabbed in his head 869 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,600 Speaker 1: or shot in the hand. How about we just be 870 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,240 Speaker 1: safe and to say no sex before marriage. That's it. 871 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,880 Speaker 1: Don't do it hard pass don't wait, both of you 872 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:40,080 Speaker 1: guys stop right now? Oh that's right. Bah so um. 873 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,720 Speaker 1: At this point we end on a question too. We 874 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:47,160 Speaker 1: would like to hear your perspective on these murders. Do 875 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,920 Speaker 1: you do you think this stuff is being I don't know, 876 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:57,200 Speaker 1: like falsely advertised as a cult in nature or do 877 00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,240 Speaker 1: you think that there's and there is an act of 878 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,920 Speaker 1: cover up and if so, does it continue today? And 879 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,280 Speaker 1: if and if that is the case, then who's doing 880 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:10,480 Speaker 1: the covering? Is it the Secret Service? Is it an 881 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:15,920 Speaker 1: elite group of disgusting, perverse aristocrats. Is it a family 882 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,080 Speaker 1: with a dark secret. We'd like to know. You can 883 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,120 Speaker 1: tell us about it on Instagram. You can reach us 884 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,920 Speaker 1: on Facebook, you can reach us on Twitter. 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