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Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 1: What is up, Straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight

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Speaker 1: Fire for Thursday, April twenty seven. It's NFL Draft Day.

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Speaker 1: Get excited. Everybody who loves football loves the draft. It

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Speaker 1: is a three day marathon. Pace yourself. First round begins

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Speaker 1: tonight eight o'clock Eastern, five o'clock Pacific. Should be a

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Speaker 1: spirited first round after Bryce Young goes first and nobody

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Speaker 1: has any clue what the hell Houston is doing. Our

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Speaker 1: of it. Michael Lombardi Vsen. He was with us at

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Speaker 1: FS one. I did the TV show with him for

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Speaker 1: a minute. He's a gambling guy. He worked in the

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Speaker 1: front office with the Patriots, so obviously he gets in

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Speaker 1: a couple jets digs at me. Good guy. We spar

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Speaker 1: over some things because sparring is fun and sports are fun,

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Speaker 1: so I think you'll enjoy that interview. Obviously, everybody has

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Speaker 1: a first round pick, except for the Miami Dolphins, who

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Speaker 1: lost their pick due to that investigation involving the integrity

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Speaker 1: of the game owner Steven Ross doing a bunch of

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Speaker 1: They lost it in a trade, and I think one

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Speaker 1: other team doesn't have a first round pick. But we'll

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Speaker 1: get to the interview shortly, folks. As I record this,

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Speaker 1: it's after midnight on the East Coast, and I gotta

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Speaker 1: say I just witnessed probably the best single night of

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Speaker 1: NBA action in the playoffs that I can remember in many,

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Speaker 1: many years. We had the Knicks close out the Calves.

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Speaker 1: I really thought the Calves would show up. They got

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Speaker 1: some major questions to ask this offseason's starting with the coach.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on there. Donovan Mitchell has

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Speaker 1: to be devastated that Jalen Brunson took it to him

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Speaker 1: back to back seasons in the playoffs, and Jalen Brunson,

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Speaker 1: head to head with Donovan Mitchell dominated him. Mark Cuban

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Speaker 1: was probably ripping bong hits and crying afterward just watching

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Speaker 1: Brunson Kerrie this Knixt team twenty three points for assists,

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Speaker 1: four rebounds, hit all the clutch shots. He was tremendous.

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Speaker 1: Knicks advanced their first playoff series win since twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson is on the cusp of doing a bunch

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Speaker 1: of stuff that Carmelo Anthony could never do. Just let

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Speaker 1: that settle in. Also, in the early games, you had

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Speaker 1: the Lakers, who we will not really be talking about today.

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Speaker 1: They got smashed by Memphis. Now, I had planned watching

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Speaker 1: the Laker game. I had planned to spend like fifteen

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Speaker 1: minutes just trashing Darvin Ham, who was an absolute failure

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Speaker 1: as a head coach for the Lakers. It was embarrassing

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Speaker 1: what happened to him, folks. Obviously two games mattered that

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Speaker 1: I just have to ask Darvin. I'm like, are you

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Speaker 1: are you making substitutions on gut and intuition and feel

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Speaker 1: or are you looking at the numbers? Because anybody with

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Speaker 1: a brain has seen the numbers and they know when

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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis is off the floor. The Lakers are terrible.

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Speaker 1: They get outscored badly, especially inside. Memphis essentially attacks the

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Speaker 1: hoop on every possession, whether it's bain Jah Morant, pick

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Speaker 1: rim with impunity, and the Lakers are powerless to stop

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Speaker 1: it because you can't play Rui Hachimur and Lebron as

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Speaker 1: your two bigs. When Anthony Davis is out, it does

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Speaker 1: not work. And you definitely can't do it with Lebron

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Speaker 1: at center or power forward. After he logged forty five

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Speaker 1: minutes and overtime game two days ago. So the Lakers

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Speaker 1: were within I jotted down in my notes here, So

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Speaker 1: the Lakers were within one with about seven minutes left.

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Speaker 1: Let's see here, Yeah, with about seven minutes left in

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Speaker 1: the third quarter, Lakers are playing incredible basketball. They made

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Speaker 1: this awesome rally, super impressive. D'Angelo Russell comes out with

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Speaker 1: Lebron hits two free throws, one point game, and then

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Speaker 1: he is subbed out, okay, And as soon as you

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Speaker 1: we're screwed, Lakers. We are totally ft and in what

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Speaker 1: looks like a little more than ninety seconds, you get

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Speaker 1: bring back a D. But let's pull Lebron on Austin Reeves.

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Speaker 1: What The Grizzlies end the quarter on a oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: Darvinham compounds his mistakes by leaving in Lebron an ad

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Speaker 1: he can't jump with John Moran. You saw John Morant's

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Speaker 1: but the five turnovers, he was sloppy with the ball.

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Speaker 1: The shot wasn't there what they needed. They needed this

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Speaker 1: to be in Austin Reeves game. They needed like something

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Speaker 1: out of Dennis Schreuder. They needed some guys on the

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Speaker 1: bench to deliver Troy Brown, for my money, is borderline unplayable.

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Speaker 1: He was minus twenty six and twelve frickin' minutes. Beasley,

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Speaker 1: cooked up. It was a bad performance by the Lakers

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Speaker 1: It looks good. Guy attempted three for free throws. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they had Jaron Jackson and foul trouble. They had a shot,

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Speaker 1: but ultimately they could not stop Jah who had thirty

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Speaker 1: the Lakers were able to get back in the game

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Speaker 1: mostly because Dylan Brooks couldn't throw it in the ocean.

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Speaker 1: Once again, they're playing the he's with us in defense

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure you guys, I've talked about this on

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Speaker 1: the pod. Before you go play pick up ball. Some

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Speaker 1: guys who've known each other, played with each other for

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Speaker 1: a while, that sounds bad. Who have played together on

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Speaker 1: the floor and you know that the other team has

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Speaker 1: a weakling somewhere, and you don't really guard him. You

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Speaker 1: let him, You leave him open because you know he's

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Speaker 1: gonna miss. And ultimately the saying, at least out here

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Speaker 1: you just let him shoot because he's basically on our team.

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Speaker 1: him shoot. We're gonna win if he shoots. That's Dylan

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Speaker 1: Brooks three to fifteen, got all the open looks he wanted.

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Speaker 1: and the Lakers get drilled by seventeen. And now Friday night,

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Speaker 1: Friday night Game six in LA, and the Lakers sure

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Speaker 1: as hell better close them out. You know why you

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Speaker 1: don't want to go back to Game seven to the

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Speaker 1: grind house I think I don't know if they still

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Speaker 1: call it the grindhouse. They did when Tony Allen was

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Speaker 1: First Team All Defense and now I've a looted enough

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Speaker 1: time to the Lakers. I actually was thinking about opening

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Speaker 1: the podcast with the Milwaukee Bucks and the Miami Heat,

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Speaker 1: because folks, I didn't see this coming, and if anybody

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Speaker 1: lottery ticket numbers because they know something nobody else on

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Speaker 1: planet Earth does. The books in Vegas did not respect

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Speaker 1: the Heat. The Bucks were twelve point favorites on Wednesday Night,

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Speaker 1: the largest favorite in over twenty years. That was down

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Speaker 1: three to one, facing elimination. Twelve point favorites, and for

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Speaker 1: a while it looks like they were right. Bucks lead

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Speaker 1: happened the Bucks, for the second straight fourth quarter, choked

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Speaker 1: away a double digit lead. Mike Budenholzer is going to

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Speaker 1: have a rough offseason because this Bucks team. I believe

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Speaker 1: a really good defender, but not against Jimmy Butler. They

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Speaker 1: had nothing on the Wayne Butler had forty two points,

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Speaker 1: He pushed off, got away with a bad push off

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Speaker 1: and everybody like It's like, oh, well, he has a championship,

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Speaker 1: and Giannis has a championship. Folks, the longer this team

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Speaker 1: and Kevin Durant still nearly beat them. Kyrie was out

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Speaker 1: the way, the Lakers with AD were the team to beat.

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Speaker 1: a wrap. Lakers got blown off the court the final

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Speaker 1: four straight. Nice title, great, wonderful, congrats, but you basically

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Speaker 1: two years and not be able to get back. We

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Speaker 1: can blame it on injuries, we can blame it on whatever,

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Speaker 1: but the truth of the matter is they have now

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Speaker 1: been knocked out of the playoffs as a number one seed.

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Speaker 1: Number one seed, folks, they're done. It's over season over

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Speaker 1: in Milwaukee, and they are. They become the first number

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Speaker 1: Sixers beat the Chicago Bulls in twenty twelve. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go ahead and guess that was a Derek Rose injury year.

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Speaker 1: You had the Grizzlies over the Spurs in twenty eleven.

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Speaker 1: Alan Houston was super clutched, and then you had Mutambo

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Speaker 1: iconic image of t Kembe Mtumbo's nuggets. Matumbo's on the

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Speaker 1: gets worse. Jannis was terrified to shoot free throws. Remember

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 1: Let's welcoming back to straight fire A big time guests

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Speaker 3: How are you, Michael, I'm doing good, Jason. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised they don't see the jet banner flying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good time to be a Jets fan,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about a guy. I know his career

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Speaker 1: motivated to show the Packers they were wrong to all

425
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Speaker 1: of a sudden rebound strong the way Brady left the

426
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Speaker 1: Patriots and ends up winning a Super Bowl with Tampa,

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Speaker 1: Like do you see something like that happening with Rogers?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think he's motivated to show that. I think

429
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Speaker 3: if you look at Brady when he went to Tampa,

430
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Speaker 3: they struggled early because it was a new offense for Brady.

431
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Speaker 3: This is not going to be a new offense for Rogers.

432
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Speaker 3: He's going to be Actually, Rodgers is the one who

433
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Speaker 3: will know the offense more than anybody else there because

434
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Speaker 3: it's the offense that he ran with Nathaniel Hackett in

435
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Speaker 3: Green Bay. So look, I think he's gonna look last year.

436
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Speaker 3: And I've said this at the time, you can't run

437
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Speaker 3: the Packer offense without Devonte Adams in it. I mean,

438
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Speaker 3: Rodgers is putting a really hard spot a lot of

439
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Speaker 3: young players. You can't be too young or too old

440
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Speaker 3: in football. I thought the Packers offensively were too young,

441
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Speaker 3: and I think it showed up in some of the interceptions.

442
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Speaker 3: He had twelve, the most he's had in a long

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Speaker 3: time in his career.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jets are kind of young though. Garrol Wilson second year,

445
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Speaker 1: Brees Hall second year, the line, I don't know. Rank

446
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Speaker 1: me the quarterbacks in the AFC East.

447
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Speaker 3: Well, I think, look the guys the two time MVP

448
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Speaker 3: in the league. I think when Josh Allen hasn't done that.

449
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 3: You know Josh Allen when you watch the Bills offense play,

450
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Speaker 3: when he's not the main runner in the offense, it's

451
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Speaker 3: a little bit of a challenge. I would probably go

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Speaker 3: one A Rogers, one B Allen. Then I would go

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Speaker 3: probably to and then Mac Jones. I think it's four

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Speaker 3: good quarterbacks. I mean, look, Tuoa has got a lot

455
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Speaker 3: of weapons around him. Can he stay healthy? I don't know.

456
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Speaker 3: Mac Jones is a rookie was really good. He wasn't

457
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Speaker 3: good last year. So you know, Josh Allen at the

458
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Speaker 3: end of the day, last year didn't play to the

459
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Speaker 3: level that we were used to see him playing two

460
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Speaker 3: years ago. He missed some throws and their offense, frankly,

461
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Speaker 3: wasn't very good. They couldn't block Cincinnati, and they couldn't

462
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Speaker 3: protect with Cincinnati, you know, and they couldn't rush the

463
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Speaker 3: passer against Cincinnati with the backup offensive line for the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: Yeah bad, let's stick in the AFC. So you spent

465
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Speaker 1: a lot of time with the Patriots. Obviously there's a

466
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Speaker 1: lot of chatter and this is what's fun or not

467
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Speaker 1: fun about Draft week. A lot of lines moving, which

468
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Speaker 1: is kind of fishy, and we can get into that.

469
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Speaker 1: But I keep reading this report Will Levis works out

470
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Speaker 1: for the Patriots. Patriots will really like Will Levis. I

471
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Speaker 1: don't know, Michael. I like to try to read between

472
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Speaker 1: the lines and try to underst and what really this

473
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: is about. Is this Belichick trying to motivate Mac Jones.

474
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Speaker 1: I can't imagine that they're really kicking the tires on

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Speaker 1: Will Levis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a fake report. Frankly, I mean,

477
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 3: I think they brought them in, like do you bring

478
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Speaker 3: in any other quarterback. But the reality of the situation

479
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: is I just don't see any viability with it at all.

480
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: I think it's just one of those things that we

481
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Speaker 3: hear before every draft. This team's hot on this player,

482
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Speaker 3: and then it turns out to be not true. This

483
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 3: team's hot on this player, and it turns out to

484
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Speaker 3: not be true. So I kind of dismiss it as

485
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Speaker 3: kind of just clicks. You know, there's a lot of clicks. Look,

486
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Speaker 3: the one thing about this draft, I think, more than

487
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Speaker 3: any draft ever, this is a draft of the eye

488
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Speaker 3: that beholder. I don't think you can make any criticism

489
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Speaker 3: of any team where they pick a player. Now we

490
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Speaker 3: know they're going to do that on television on the

491
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Speaker 3: draft coverage, because we're not going the teams are not

492
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Speaker 3: going to the board according to the people who have

493
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Speaker 3: never been in the room before, who have never made

494
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 3: a pick before, who now suddenly grade players, But they

495
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 3: really don't grade players. They just tell you what around

496
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Speaker 3: the players should go, and they never describe the player,

497
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 3: but they just tell you what rowdy should go in.

498
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Speaker 3: So this is a draft where anybody, anybody could go

499
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Speaker 3: in the top ten. It's not a draft of blue

500
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Speaker 3: chip players. There's two blue chip players in the draft.

501
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 3: There's Jalen Carter and there's Bryce Young, and then after

502
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Speaker 3: that there's a lot of guys that have potential. There's

503
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 3: some really good players, but the draft's going to fizzle

504
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: out around seventeen or eighteen, and then everything after that

505
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: is really you're picking a second round player, whether you

506
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Speaker 3: want to pick him at twenty or whether you want

507
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Speaker 3: to pick him at forty.

508
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and even the blue chip players come with some questions,

509
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: right Jalen Carter, you know the incident at Georgia, Todd

510
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: mcshay's talked about off field issues. Then he shows up

511
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: at his workout like way out of shape, can't even

512
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Speaker 1: finish the damn thing. And then you got Bryce Young,

513
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Speaker 1: who everybody loves. Zelle Russell Wilson was a small quarterback.

514
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Speaker 1: You know, Russell Wilson was not a number one overall pick.

515
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. Drew Brees was not a number one overall

516
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Speaker 1: pick needed to go to a second team to thrive.

517
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Speaker 1: I don't know you would call Bryce Young a blue

518
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Speaker 1: chip guy.

519
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Speaker 3: I think at Bryce Young six ' two, Jason the

520
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 3: Bears don't trade in them pre Yeah.

521
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look.

522
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Speaker 3: I watched Bryce Young play during TV scouting all year

523
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: and didn't think that a five to ten quarterback could play.

524
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: But when you study the tape and you watch what

525
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: he does with an Alabama team that wasn't the best

526
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: Alabama team they've ever had. This wasn't you know, this

527
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 3: wasn't their finest offensive skill player this year. Watched the

528
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 3: Texas game. How he leads them back. Guys got really

529
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 3: uncanny li likeability to work the pocket, understand the pocket,

530
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 3: move through the angles. Rarely gets balls tipped down. He's

531
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 3: really good in that area. So he throws the ball

532
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 3: in a manner to where I think he can get

533
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: it over the defensive line. I think he makes Carolina

534
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: really a very good team immediately. Carolina's if J. C.

535
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Speaker 3: Horns stays healthy at the end of the year, they're

536
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: going to beat Tampa down there. I mean, they give

537
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 3: up three touchdowns to Mike Evans on deep throws with

538
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 3: a bad corner. You know, if DJ Moore keeps his

539
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: helmet on, they're going to beat Atlanta. So they had

540
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Speaker 3: a chance to make the playoffs in spite of all

541
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: the changes that went through they get solid play out

542
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Speaker 3: of the quarterback musician. And I'm not talking about elite play.

543
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: I'm just talking about solid play. They've got a good team.

544
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Speaker 3: There'll be a team to contend with them. South.

545
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Speaker 1: Wow, very bullish. So you've spent time in front offices

546
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: in draft rooms.

547
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

548
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: You don't have to give specifics if you don't want to.

549
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: But you know, we're seeing a lot of these leaks

550
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: this week. Oh, Kyler Murray says Paris Johnson's who he wants.

551
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: And then now, all of a sudden, a day later,

552
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: the number the odds of the number three pick our

553
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: Paris Johnson is the favorite. It feels a little silly

554
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: and irrational. But you know, in your time, did you

555
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: guys think, hey, you know what we need to shape this.

556
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: We want X player. So let's set off some misdirection

557
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: here about this guy. We know which reporter or report

558
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: anything we tell them. Let's go leak this stuff. Did

559
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: you guys do a lot of that or did you

560
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: just say we don't need to do that.

561
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: I don't think you need to do that. I mean

562
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: because you think the teams are believing it. I mean,

563
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 3: we just had a will Levis conversation about the Patriots.

564
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: I would say the chance of the Patriots d and

565
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: Will Levis is less than zero. But yeah, we're having

566
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 3: this conversation about it. So I don't think people are

567
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: really in the league. They don't pay much attention to it.

568
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I think, really, this is a draft about

569
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: who you like, what you like, and I don't think

570
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: you could argue with the teams. I don't think there's

571
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: gonna this is not well. They took that guy too early.

572
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: Think you're taking everybody too early.

573
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Speaker 1: And what about Will Anderson. There's been a lot of

574
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Speaker 1: speculation he could be the guy who falls. I can't

575
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: believe this Tyree Wilson stuff. The guy hasn't worked out

576
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: for one team because of his foot, and now he

577
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: may go number two overall that that seems crazy to me, Michael,

578
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: But there is chatter that Will Anderson may be sliding

579
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: and Tyree Wilson could be the guy who benefits.

580
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: Well, Tyre Wilson's a prototypical right end, and he's long,

581
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 3: he's athletic, he can run. Before he even got injured,

582
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: you know, they say he's going to be medically cleared

583
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 3: to play on the first day of training camp. So

584
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: that's a good sign. You know, Will Anderson has had

585
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: a lot of career in Alabama, but you know last

586
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: year when you watched him all tape, there wasn't an

587
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: impact player when you're watching them. I mean, the media

588
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: has made him out to be an impact player. The

589
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: media has told you he's Von Miller, he's Bruce Smith.

590
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: But the tape doesn't tell you that it's a good player.

591
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: It's a good player. But my question back to you,

592
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: do you think he'll get his fifth year option picked up?

593
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: Well, we just saw Chase Young not get his, which

594
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: was I thought a stunner going number two overall, and

595
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: Chase Young was supposed to be in that Bosa class.

596
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: So there's a good chance Will Anderson doesn't. But then again,

597
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, Daniel Jones, those teams ended up paying the price.

598
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: Let me go back to something you said interesting, So,

599
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Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson's tape is great, a prototypical take go back

600
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: to your front office days. Was there a guy, a

601
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Speaker 1: player who was unable to work out for I don't

602
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: know three four months and leading up to the draft,

603
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: you still took him based on all the intel you

604
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: got and his tape and the history.

605
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 3: That he had, you know, off the top of my head,

606
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 3: I'd have to think it through, but that's it's a

607
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: common occurrence. Look, the Raiders took Keelan Farrell the fourth

608
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: pick overall, and he never even and he refused to

609
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 3: run a forty. It wasn't that he run well. They

610
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 3: refused to run one. So I think at the end

611
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: of the day, you go back to the tape, You

612
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: watch the tape, and if the medical people say this

613
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: guy can be healthy, then you know, then you go

614
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: with it. And you just got to believe in the tape.

615
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 3: But if you have some questions about the workout, that's

616
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: always a concern. But the workout is just an auxiliary

617
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 3: slice of the pie, not the pie.

618
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you about quarterbacks. So Will Levis guy

619
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Speaker 1: we've already mentioned. You know, he's got he's got a

620
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Speaker 1: good h you know on paper, he looks good with

621
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Speaker 1: you know, his great point average, and he's super smart

622
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Speaker 1: and his family history and all that great stuff. But

623
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Speaker 1: in terms of like grading a quarterback, I have justin

624
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: fields better than C. J. Stroud coming into this. I

625
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: definitely have fields better than lews fields. What fifteenth last year.

626
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Speaker 1: And I know we've said this isn't a great draft,

627
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Speaker 1: and I don't want to compare this draft to last draft,

628
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: but it just seems a little rich to be taking

629
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Speaker 1: Will Levis, marginally a five hundred quarterback in the SEC

630
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: throws for one hundred yards against Vanderbilt. It just seems

631
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Speaker 1: a little irrational to take him for or am I

632
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: missing something?

633
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: No? I think it's completely irrational. I mean, nobody can

634
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,239
Speaker 3: explain how he couldn't beat out Sean Clifford. He can

635
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: explain that, yeah, you know, and so like not only

636
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: did he not throw the ball well against Vanderbilt or

637
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 3: Tennessee or any of those teams, Like why couldn't he

638
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: beat out Sean Clifford at Penn State? So if he

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Speaker 3: is the best quarterback in this draft class and he's

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Speaker 3: on the campus of Penn State with all those good

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Speaker 3: players that Penn State have, how did they not win

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Speaker 3: a national championship with him at quarterback?

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Speaker 1: And that's fair. I Mean the counter would be why

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow couldn't beat on anybody at Ohio State.

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Speaker 3: They with roberta never got a chance to beat at

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Speaker 3: any Joe Burrow was If you go back and talk

647
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Speaker 3: to people in the know that were there. Joe Burrow

648
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Speaker 3: was a Scout team quarterback. He was a three star

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Speaker 3: and Urban was against three stars, so he wanted to

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Speaker 3: play a five star in Dwayne Haskins. That was really

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Speaker 3: about the star system that Urban never really gave the

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Speaker 3: kid a chance to compete.

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Speaker 1: CJ. Stroud another Ohios date quarterback. We know the rich

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Speaker 1: history of Ohio's date quarterback failures. I read a stat

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Speaker 1: I think this is it that there's only been one

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Speaker 1: Ohio state quarterback make a Pro Bowl and our Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowls don't believe mean anything. But that was actually Tom

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Speaker 1: Tula who made it as a punch. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that's accurate.

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Speaker 3: Tyler Huntley made the Pro Bowl this year. How's that

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Speaker 3: work out?

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Speaker 1: I'll come on fill in Tyler Hudley. But you get

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Speaker 1: the point. Like again, you're in the draft room talking

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Speaker 1: to your guys. CJ. Stroud, You've grated him out, you've

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Speaker 1: looked at everything. Is this a guy you're all in on?

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Speaker 2: You?

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Speaker 1: You think he's a top Would you take him top five?

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Speaker 3: No? I wouldn't. I think it's a one quarterback draft. Jason, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think Bryce Young And then everybody else has huge

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Speaker 3: holes and huge concerns. I mean, how do you take

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Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson thirteen starts. How do you take that guy

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Speaker 3: in the first round and say, oh, we got our

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Speaker 3: starting quarterback. Yeah, got a projection, You've got a developmental player,

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Speaker 3: but you don't have a starting quarterback. You can't put

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Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson on the field next year and in a

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Speaker 3: pro football game. Remember, Malik Willis was supposed to go

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Speaker 3: in the first round this time last year. You remember, now,

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Speaker 3: Malie Willis might be one of the few players as

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Speaker 3: I've ever seen it, bench during a series in a

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Speaker 3: preseason game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he Remember they brought up the guy who was

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Speaker 1: the quarterback from this he was on the Steelers. He's bald,

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Speaker 1: and they brought.

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Speaker 3: Him in for the playoff game, Joshua Dobbs.

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Speaker 1: Dobbs, there you go over the guy they drafted. I

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Speaker 1: think that's probably part of the reason the GM got fired.

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Speaker 3: Right Well, yeah, I mean, but everybody thought Willis was

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Speaker 3: a superstar. I mean, you have to take Willis. I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: you know, I think Kenny Pickett's a good player. I

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Speaker 3: don't think Kenny Pickett's ever going to be a great player.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying they can't win with Kenny Pickett, because

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Speaker 3: I think you have to be a Every quarterback has

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Speaker 3: to be managed. But I think Kenny Pickett's college tapes

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Speaker 3: better than some of these guys. College state, then he

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Speaker 3: went twentieth.

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Speaker 1: It's weird though, And again I'm not defending Kenny Pickett.

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Speaker 1: I actually think the Steelers are a little undervalued heading

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Speaker 1: in the next season. But let's say you swap Kenny

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Speaker 1: Pickett to the forty nine Ers, Like nobody thought Brock

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Speaker 1: Purdy was good, the seventh round pick, dead last guy

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Speaker 1: in the draft, and Brock Purty goes what don't know

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Speaker 1: with the defense and running game skill position guys, So, like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, is brock Purty good, Mike.

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Speaker 3: I think Brock Purty proves that if you have the system,

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Speaker 3: marry the quarterback skill set, it's good. I mean, let's

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Speaker 3: just be not unfair to Brock party. Trey Lance couldn't

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Speaker 3: look half as good as Rock Purty could in the

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Speaker 3: same system. Yeah, I mean, you know, and Trey Lance

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Speaker 3: had a year to get ready in that system. He's

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Speaker 3: on the flight back from Houston in a preseason game.

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Speaker 3: They decided to sign Jimmy Garoppolo because Trey Lance was

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Speaker 3: so bad in that preseason game. Now, they can spin

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Speaker 3: it any way they want, but that's what they did.

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Speaker 3: They went from having Jimmy practice on another field to

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Speaker 3: Jimmy starting to practice over you know, now he's over there,

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Speaker 3: and they went out and lost to Chicago in the

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Speaker 3: opening game because Trey Lance really couldn't that function. So

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Speaker 3: you can say Perty this and he did. He just

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Speaker 3: Lance never played anywhere near the level that Perdy played.

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Speaker 1: We had Lance Zerline on the podcast this week down

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Speaker 1: in Houston, and he's like, listen the Texans offensive coordinators

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Speaker 1: from San Fran, Demigo, Ryan san Fran, the Tennessee Titans.

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Speaker 1: I guess the GM was in San Fran. How come

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Speaker 1: none of these teams or how come neither of these

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Speaker 1: two teams have kicked the tires on Trey Lance. They

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Speaker 1: were around him in the building for two years. What's

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Speaker 1: up with that?

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Speaker 3: That's the most That's why John Lynch had to come

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Speaker 3: out and say he's not getting any calls because he

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Speaker 3: knows he was taking an advertisement out. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 3: with Ian Rappaport's report about you know, teams are interested

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Speaker 3: and we're getting a ton of calls. Yet in reality,

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Speaker 3: he wasn't getting any calls because who's calling. I mean,

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Speaker 3: if Raan Karthon walks in there, he's he got Ryan

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Speaker 3: Tannehill at twenty seven million in paragraph five. So he's

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Speaker 3: got a huge contract that he could get rid of

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Speaker 3: immediately if he wanted to. If he thought Trey Lance

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Speaker 3: was the answer, the first thing he would have done

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Speaker 3: is up Lynch and say, look, I gotta have this

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Speaker 3: guy and I'll overpay for him. But that's not happened,

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Speaker 3: and so that tells the rest of the league what

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Speaker 3: they think.

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Speaker 1: Huh interesting. So let me go back to using this

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Speaker 1: a one quarterback draft. I largely agree with that. But

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Speaker 1: at two Houston Texans, their owner says, we have been

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Speaker 1: a disaster. We shipped Deshaun Watson out. That was another

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Speaker 1: blemish on the franchise. We have no quarterbay Davis Mills.

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Speaker 1: I think they signed case Keenum, Case Keenum, right, those

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Speaker 1: are their quarterbacks. The owner says, all right, what quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Can we take it into Tell me how you in

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Speaker 1: the front office with the coach can convince the owner

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Speaker 1: we cannot do this. It would be a mistake.

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Speaker 3: It's really pretty simple. As soon as we turned the

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Speaker 3: card in for a quarterback at two, we still need

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Speaker 3: a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You could say that to a billionaire and he's just

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Speaker 1: going to get it right.

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Speaker 3: We still need one. We haven't solved the need now.

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Speaker 3: I would tell them, look, if we could move up

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Speaker 3: twelve or if somebody was at twelve to satisfy it.

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Speaker 3: But just so you know, we're using a huge re

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Speaker 3: source that's not going to solve the problem. And so

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Speaker 3: what do you want us to do? We can't invent

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Speaker 3: a quarterback now. Next year in the draft, like I

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Speaker 3: would tell them, look, let's let's go all in beside

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Speaker 3: case keenam. We got Davis Mills. By the way, if

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Speaker 3: you know Davis Mills numbers, it's interesting how the perception

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Speaker 3: is you're a Justin Fields guy. Davis mills numbers in

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Speaker 3: passing are better or similar or better than Justin Field's

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Speaker 3: numbers in passing. Yet the Bears don't need a quarterback,

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Speaker 3: and you believe Houston needs one. So don't be don't

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Speaker 3: tell me Jason that. Well, you know, Fields makes running plays.

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Speaker 3: Fields's record is fourth nineteen and one. Kay Mills's record

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Speaker 3: is five twenty and one. How have those running impacted

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Speaker 3: the Bears?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't all highlights.

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Speaker 2: Come on, don't tell me.

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Speaker 3: The Bears are playing with a worse team than the Texans.

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Speaker 3: The Texans stink too. They both stink. They both have

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Speaker 3: won four game, they both have won four to five games.

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Speaker 3: They both haven't been productive yet. One team needs a

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Speaker 3: quarterback desperately and the other team doesn't need one at all. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's interesting to stat. Let me give you this stat.

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Speaker 3: The Colts and the Colts led the league last year

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Speaker 3: in point differential, meaning they lost games by an average

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Speaker 3: of eight point five points per game. Okay, the Colts

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Speaker 3: and the Bears tied that category. Okay, so they lost

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Speaker 3: by an average of eight and a half points a game.

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Speaker 3: The Colts through the ball thirty five times on average

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Speaker 3: per game. Your Bears through it twenty two times.

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Speaker 1: Well, wait a minute, hold up, I'm a jetsky, I'm

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Speaker 1: not a Bears guy, and you're a field guy.

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Speaker 2: I like Field, likes fields.

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Speaker 3: Nobody can defend the snumbers. No, no, I would have

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Speaker 3: here is simply this. You say the Texans desperately need

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Speaker 3: a quarterback, but the Bears don't need one, and the

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Speaker 3: Numbers say the Bears need one badly.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the interesting thing about Mills. So he was

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Speaker 1: like the top recruit quarterback in his class coming out

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Speaker 1: of high school. This guy, you know, six ' four,

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Speaker 1: the prototypical drop back quarterback, big arm, goes to Stanford,

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Speaker 1: gets has the injuries. It's like a third round pick.

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Speaker 1: I'm of the belief that the Texans could find value

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Speaker 1: better than one of these quarterbacks at two in the

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Speaker 1: third round. I mean, I'm not super bullish on Mack's Duggan,

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Speaker 1: but I like him. I don't I'd like to see

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Speaker 1: him as a third rounder versus you know, he shrouded two.

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Speaker 1: Would you agree, Jack.

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Speaker 3: Dougle will be there for you in the third round.

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Speaker 3: You want him, you can pick him.

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Speaker 1: You like Duggin.

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Speaker 3: I didn't say I like Duggin. I'm just saying he's

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Speaker 3: going to be there for you, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 3: if you want to play GM, he's going to be

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Speaker 3: there for you. But I don't. To me, my point

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Speaker 3: is simply one team doesn't need a quarterback because they

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Speaker 3: drafted one in the first round, the eleventh pick overall.

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Speaker 3: The other team needs one because he's a third rounder.

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Speaker 3: When my point of this whole conversation is, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter where we pick him, it matters how they play.

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Speaker 3: And both quarterbacks in Chicago and in Houston haven't played

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Speaker 3: balling off the Bears can't throw the ball.

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Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, they had no receivers. They did add Clay Poole.

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Speaker 3: Oh, everybody says that he makes the fact receivers. Okay,

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Speaker 3: that has Lamar Jackson had receiver He has.

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Speaker 1: Not had any. And that's why I've advocated I.

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Speaker 3: Was a rookie. Lamar Jackson's forty five is a rookie.

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Speaker 3: Joe Flacco is the starting quarterback. They finally bench Flacco.

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Speaker 3: The team's not very good. They win six of the

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Speaker 3: next seven games and make the playoffs. Yeah, so quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: make the other players better. It's really a cop out

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Speaker 3: excuse when people say, well, they don't have any skill

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Speaker 3: around him. I've been only every great quarterback I've been

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Speaker 3: around makes the receivers better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whoa, whoa. I don't know how I became like

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Speaker 1: the biggest justin fields. Guy, I don't not have justin

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Speaker 1: Fields Jersey. I do like him. I like Fields. I'd

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Speaker 1: like to see what he could become. We've had two years.

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Speaker 1: I think he's had two different offensive coordinators. He's had

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Speaker 1: no receivers, crappy offensive line. The Bears are a dysfunctional organization.

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Speaker 1: They have been for what ten years? At least? I

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Speaker 1: mean they did they take Biskey's Second problem is I.

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Speaker 3: Think we make excuses for some players. We don't make excuses.

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Speaker 3: You don't you think Houston hasn't been dysfunctional? They have?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean after that, Davis Mills has.

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Speaker 3: Had different coordinators every year.

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Speaker 1: So what do you do with Houston? At two?

852
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Speaker 3: Jill the best player who I thought would be the

853
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 3: best player, okay, Tyree Wilson. Whether to me it's Jalen Carter,

854
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 3: whether you think it's Will Anderson, whomever you think is

855
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: the best player, just take them.

856
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have I have some money on Jillen Carter.

857
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: I had him second in my mock So what about four? Again?

858
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: The owner convincing a billionaire what to do when you

859
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback is difficult. Now the Colts owner

860
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: has gone on social media. He's done all this stuff.

861
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: He's getting a little little wacky. Mike. Do you think

862
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: they take a quarterback at four or would you take

863
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: a quarterback at four?

864
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: I mean I wouldn't, but I think they've trapped themselves

865
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: into taking one. I don't know if there's an option.

866
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 3: I mean, they don't seem to be interested in going

867
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 3: after Lamar. So you know, to me, I've said this,

868
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 3: I've written about this for Visa, and I've said it

869
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 3: on my podcast. If I were the gym of the Colts,

870
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 3: I would, really I'd use that pick to get a

871
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: good left tackle if I could, whether Paris Washington's there

872
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 3: or not, Paris Johnson's there or not, but I would

873
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: get and then I would try to trade for Lamar.

874
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: But nobody seems to be interested in trading for Lamar,

875
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: which is fascinating considering they're going to waste a high

876
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 3: pick on on a guy like Will Levis and Lamar's

877
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: out there who's won forty five NFL career starts. I mean,

878
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: how do you win forty five games and not be

879
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: good enough?

880
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's drill down on Lamar for a second.

881
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: Why do you think the New York Jets I advocated

882
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: him to go after Lamar over Rogers. He's younger, he's

883
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: in his prime. The Jets have guys who were with

884
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: the Ravens organization. I think they're top two in the

885
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: front office, spent time with the Ravens. They're good friends.

886
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: Are they aware of something that Lamar maybe has become

887
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: a last guy in, first guy out, is not studying

888
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: up the playbook, like, is just leaning on his athletic

889
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: abilities and isn't locked in, isn't a leader, et cetera,

890
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: et cetera. Is there something about Lamar that people don't

891
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: want to say, maybe because the media is afraid to

892
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: go after a black quarterback, whatever it may be. What

893
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: do you think.

894
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: I think what it is about Lamar is the pedigree. Right,

895
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: So all those guys that you quote were in the

896
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 3: room with Lamar. Remember the reason Lamar's are raving is

897
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 3: because the owner said we should trade up to get Lamar.

898
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 3: It wasn't that they were, It was like everybody in

899
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 3: the room wanted to do it. Steve Bushatti is the

900
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: driving force behind behind Lamar. That's that's a fact.

901
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: And now doesn't want to pay him.

902
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know how that goes I mean,

903
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 3: maybe he wants to pay him, but he doesn't want

904
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: to pay him the guarantee. You know, I don't know.

905
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 3: I'm not sure we really know the story. I think

906
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 3: Lamar's made huge mistakes in twofold. I think he should

907
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 3: have had an agent coming out of college. He would

908
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 3: have been had to sit in the green room for

909
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 3: thirty two picks. None of these quarterbacks that are coming

910
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: out in this draft, with exception of Bryce Young, has

911
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 3: had a better collegiate career than Lamar did. No and

912
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: yeah about them in the top ten and Lamar sat

913
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 3: in the green room for thirty one picks. I mean,

914
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 3: figure that out.

915
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: Very very puzzling. B John Robinson, I'm not buying the hype.

916
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: I have him falling to the Chargers at twenty one.

917
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: I just don't see the Eagles doing something like that.

918
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: I mean, again, this is cheap, Mike, but you know

919
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: the Eagles going to the Super Bowl and against the Chiefs.

920
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: The Chiefs are starting a seventh round running back, the

921
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: kid out of Ruptors, and he has a good game.

922
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: He's a good running back. I'm not saying he's the

923
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: long term answer, but kind of find running backs anywhere,

924
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 1: look around the league. Why would anybody take Bjon Robinson

925
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: that early?

926
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 3: Well, I think Bjehon's a weapon. Okay, so you say that,

927
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 3: and I say why would you pay? Why is why

928
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 3: do teams take receivers that really can't score touchdowns. Keenan

929
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 3: Allen gets paid and everybody's okay with that, But Austin

930
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: Eckler is a bigger problem for that when you defend

931
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 3: the Chargers offense than Keenan Allen. Now, Mike Williams is

932
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: a problem. Like, I think there's a disconnect here. I

933
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: think there's this perception you can't pay running backs, right.

934
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 3: I agree, you can't pay a one dimensional running back.

935
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 3: But when you get a weapon like Austin Eckler who

936
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: is one hundred and seven catches or Alvin Kamaro average

937
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: is almost ten yards a catch, that's a different ballgame.

938
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: When you can line up the running back in the

939
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: slot and have him be effective as a slot receiver,

940
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 3: you've got a lot of plays. I think Bijon can

941
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: be that player, and so for me, I agree on

942
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: the pretense that it's not worth it, But when you

943
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 3: look at Nigie harris involvement in the passing game, it's

944
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: significant you need a weapon. But conversely, because Keenan Allen

945
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 3: plays wide receiver, it's okay to pay him, it's okay

946
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 3: to draft him early, but it's not okay to draft

947
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 3: a weapon like Jon. I think there's an inconsistency there.

948
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: So let me ask. Eckler's a good comp because he

949
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: was undrafted out of something called Western State, whatever that is,

950
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: and the value in Eckler has been immense, and now

951
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: he wants to be paid because he's twenty. He's a

952
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: little older. He think he turns twenty eight here in May,

953
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: and now he's up up against it like, hey, I

954
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: got one more contract. Can you pay me now before

955
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: I get hurt and fall apart? And he wants to

956
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: get paid. So it kind of makes sense for the

957
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: Chargers to grab Jon Robinson down at twenty one, doesn't it.

958
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: I mean, look how they're going to replace. They got

959
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: to replace one hundred and seven catches, the touchdowns and

960
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: the impact in the red zone. I mean, he's significant

961
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: player for on their team. You take Look, what I

962
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: don't think fans understand is the running back makes the spread.

963
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 3: The running back makes the spread when the running back

964
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: is multi dimensional in the passing game when the running

965
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 3: back can can run inside the tackles and outside the

966
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: tackles and can impact the passing game like Tony Pollard

967
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: does down in Dallas, but not like Zeke did at

968
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: the end. Then I think that's a weapon and you've

969
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 3: got to defend that, and it puts a lot of

970
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: pressure on defensive coaches.

971
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: Uh you mentioned Zeke. I have forgotten he's not on

972
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: a team yet unless I missed it, surprised at all

973
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: or not really?

974
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 3: Not really no, I mean because Zeke's a one dimensional

975
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 3: player now. Unfortunately, I thought Zeke could be that weapon

976
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 3: in the passing game. When they paid Zeke, I said,

977
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 3: you got to use them in the passing game, because

978
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 3: to me, he can do that, not on screens and flares.

979
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 3: I'm talking about in the passing game. Have him run routes,

980
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 3: slants and comebacks and all the things that you can

981
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: do with a great receiver. But they paid him and

982
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: they didn't use him, and now he doesn't have the ability.

983
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 3: I mean when you're when he's in the game, the

984
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: five techniks become foretet. Everybody. Everybody knows the balls going inside,

985
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: it's going to be run inside the tackles, so you

986
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 3: don't have to defend the perimeter run game because you

987
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: can outrun him to the perimeter, whereas Tony Pollard, you

988
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 3: gotta defend the perimeter. You got you got to say, okay,

989
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: the stretch, he's going to widen the field. And and

990
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: I love Zeke, and I think if Zeke got in

991
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 3: shape and all that, you know, I think his conditioning

992
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: needs to improve. He's a great leader for the team.

993
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 3: He's great in the locker room. But when you can't

994
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: get outside as a runner, then it becomes a real issue.

995
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: We could wrap up with quarterbacks. It doesn't sound like

996
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: you like my guy, Max Duggan as a mid round pick.

997
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: H Is there another quarterback that you do like the

998
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 1: kid out of Purdue? There's a kid out of BYU.

999
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: Is there anyone you like as like a.

1000
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 3: Mid round fly kid? Hepner. I mean, you know, I

1001
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 3: think he's got a lot of skill that you know,

1002
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 3: he could be a good player. I mean, he's got

1003
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 3: a pro style to him. What I always look for

1004
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 3: in quarterbacks is the ones that their arm and their

1005
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 3: feet are together. There's a great rhythm to their game.

1006
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: Stetson Bennett, does he get drafted.

1007
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 3: I would think he does late in the sixth seventh round.

1008
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, could he be your next brock perty a guy

1009
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: who is smart.

1010
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 3: He's smart, he's experience. If he goes to the right system,

1011
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: you know, will he be a full starter? I don't know.

1012
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 3: I mean Sam Allinger is not a full starter. You know,

1013
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 3: he got raft to Watt in the fifth or sixth round,

1014
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: and Bennett played actually better than Ellinger did.

1015
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's funny you say system, But let's be real, Mike,

1016
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: how many good systems are there in the league?

1017
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: Like that's the There's not many, that's the problem. No,

1018
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 3: I don't think there's many good I think there's not

1019
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: many people that understand how to coach the quarterback and

1020
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 3: how to develop the quarterback. And that's something that Bill

1021
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: Wall said to me in nineteen eighty four. Very few

1022
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 3: people can coach the quarterback and even fewer can evaluate them.

1023
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: And I think that holds up true to bit today Eagles.

1024
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: My hottest take this week was the Eagles should make

1025
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: a play a low ball offer for Trey Lance as

1026
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: like a backup to Jalen Hurts. That is the I

1027
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: think that's the only way I think Trey Lance kind

1028
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: of plays right offensive line, good skill position players in

1029
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: the mold of like a Jaalen Hurts Well.

1030
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, when you put him in the game,

1031
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 3: everybody's gonna know what's going to happen. It's a trick player,

1032
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 3: you know, so it's hard to run a play. It's

1033
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: hard to put a trick player on the field that

1034
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 3: only has tricks. He has to be more dimensional. Plus,

1035
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 3: do you think the Niners you think John Lynch is

1036
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 3: going to be willing to accept that he made a

1037
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 3: horrible trade? No?

1038
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: Probably not. Last question, Mike, is there a player you

1039
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: think will be drafted before conventional wisdom aka the mocks?

1040
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 1: And is there a player you think will be drafted

1041
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: below what everybody else has?

1042
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 3: That one's hard. I think the Banks corner from Maryland's

1043
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 3: a really good player. Okay, he'll go earlier. I think

1044
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 3: Harrison the tackle from Oklahoma is a good player. He

1045
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: could go earlier. You know, there's a lot of guys

1046
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 3: like that. That's why I've said I don't think you

1047
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: can criticize teams for any player the way because this

1048
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 3: is the beauties in the eye of be holder. Like

1049
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 3: for me, like Nolan Smith from Georgia. Unless you're a

1050
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 3: thirty four team, it's hard to visualize him playing on

1051
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 3: your team. So but some team could take him and

1052
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 3: have a role. You know, would I take him? Probably

1053
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: not because I would be where how does he get

1054
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 3: on the field. He's not a nickel rusher, he's too small.

1055
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 3: He's a SAM linebacker. But we don't have Sam linebackers

1056
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 3: anymore in the league. So I think, to me, that's

1057
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 3: kind of the way it goes. I think there's a

1058
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 3: lot of good players in this draft that because we

1059
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 3: keep pushing the same names out all the time all

1060
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 3: the time. Go to everybody's mock it's got the same

1061
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: names everywhere, and then everybody shocked on draft day that

1062
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Speaker 3: the names are different. Like I think, to me, don't

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Speaker 3: be shocked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting you mentioned the Eagles. I had Nolan

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Speaker 1: Smith going there, but their defensive line is old. Graham

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Speaker 1: is thirty five, Fletcher Cox thirty two. A lot of

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Speaker 1: guys feel like they're on the wrong side of thirty

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Speaker 1: maybe past their prime or approaching it. And in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl they couldn't touch Mahomes, they couldn't get to them.

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Speaker 3: Well, they try to keep running stunts and against the

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Speaker 3: field that they kept slipping on. If you watch the tape,

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Speaker 3: I mean you have to. You had to go north

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Speaker 3: and south in that tape, and you had to be

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Speaker 3: able to affect it. I think I think Nolan Smith.

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Speaker 3: My question is they don't have a Sam linebacker in

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Speaker 3: the Philly defense, so I don't know where he plays on. Really,

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Speaker 3: he's a nickel, He's a right end in their scheme,

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Speaker 3: and at two hundred and thirty eight pounds, he only

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Speaker 3: played two hundred plays last year. Jason, I don't know

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Speaker 3: how he stays on the field and stays healthy. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's hard. You know, he can run really fast, but

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Speaker 3: unless you can power the tackle back, it's hard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, Michael Lombardi Viisin you got the podcast

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Speaker 1: with Feme. You guys are crushing it, man, keep up

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Speaker 1: the good work. Life is good in Vegas.

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Speaker 3: Everything's great. Wow. I'm just here to see my family

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Speaker 3: and then I'm gonna head back right after the draft.

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Speaker 3: So it's been good.

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Speaker 1: Nice, all right, buddy, take it easy, Thanks, Jason, appreciate you.