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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease. When I sent my twins, John,

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Speaker 1: David and Lucy to school when they were twelve years old,

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Speaker 1: Let's see, that's seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.

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Speaker 2: What is that fifth or sixth grade?

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Speaker 1: I certainly did not expect them to start a sex

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Speaker 1: relationship with their married teacher. No, that's not what I

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Speaker 1: thought was happening. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: and series XEM one eleven. Well, apparently in Covington, Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: that is exactly what happened.

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Speaker 3: Listen now, listen to Common was arrested and brought here

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Speaker 3: to the Tipton County Jail. She's accused of raping one

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Speaker 3: of her former students.

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Speaker 2: Now take a.

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Speaker 3: Look at her mugshine. The thirty eight year old teacher accused.

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Speaker 3: She's charged with rape of a child. Covnton Police say

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Speaker 3: the child was aged twelve or younger at the time

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Speaker 3: of the alleged sexual abuse.

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Speaker 4: Charged with raping a child, the Covington Police Department arrested

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Speaker 4: thirty eight year old Alyssa mccommon today. Police say multiple

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Speaker 4: juvenile victims came forward stating they were befriended by mccommon.

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Speaker 4: That's their former teacher, which led to mccommon requesting sexual

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Speaker 4: relations with the victims befriended.

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Speaker 1: These are twelve year old boys. They're barely old enough

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Speaker 1: may even be wee blow and scouts sex with a

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Speaker 1: twelve year old boy with the teacher. As if that's

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Speaker 1: not bad enough. But there's more in the last hours,

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Speaker 1: a bombshell development.

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Speaker 2: Wait for it. Listen.

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Speaker 5: Today a recording of a phone call between the suspect,

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Speaker 5: ALYSSA mccommon and an alleged victim was played in court,

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Speaker 5: and during the call, mccommon makes references to a baby.

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Speaker 5: During today's hearing, mccommon's bond was revoked. She's scheduled to

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Speaker 5: be back in court in late November.

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Speaker 2: A baby.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the then twelve year old little

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Speaker 1: boys parents heads are just blowing off? Just like explode there?

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Speaker 1: Then twelve year old little boy is going to be

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Speaker 1: a daddy with his teacher. Now, I want to analyze

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Speaker 1: what she said to the boy on the phone.

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Speaker 2: You just forget we ever talked.

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Speaker 6: OK.

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Speaker 1: I'll raise this baby and I'll love this baby. I'll

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Speaker 1: do it by myself. Well, isn't she brave? She's going

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Speaker 1: a little boy is going to feel an expensive responsibility?

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna man up and go get a

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Speaker 2: My head is spinning.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to hear that specific part again.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't hear it that well.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen our cut thirty four, and you were

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Speaker 1: earlier hearing wr eg. Take a listener our cut thirty four.

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Speaker 1: This is the teacher, the married teacher on the phone

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Speaker 1: talking to the then twelve year old little boy.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I'll do it myself. I guess you will.

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Speaker 1: Lady with me an all star pound makes sense of

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Speaker 1: what we are learning.

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Speaker 2: But I want to tell you the lot sickens.

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Speaker 1: In addition to charges that she had sex multiple times

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Speaker 1: now she's pregnant, she says with his baby. Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: there's more, but let's just get that far first. First

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Speaker 1: of all, to Augie Conklin, crime reporter, Fox News Digital

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Speaker 1: Auji Conslan.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: What a twelve year old boy fathers a baby with

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Speaker 2: How did this start?

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Speaker 7: Well, so, according to a police AFFI David, the first

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Speaker 7: sexual assault with this victim, who was twelve years old

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Speaker 7: she's pregnant now, as she sang in those phone calls,

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Speaker 7: this relationship with a minor has been going on for years,

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Speaker 1: Investigative reporter with Fox News Digital Audrey Conklin, But I

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Speaker 2: Take a listen, our friends, Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 8: Alyssa mccommon's hearing Tuesday morning centered around a series of

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Speaker 8: text messages in a phone call prosecutor say mccommon had

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Speaker 4: To tell you something is a serious and to do

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Speaker 8: Covington police detective testified this alleged conversation happened last Tuesday.

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Speaker 8: The detective testified mccommon eventually identified herself and told the

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Speaker 9: Well, say this is lever o Enjy to leave this number.

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Speaker 9: Please don't give me a struggle.

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Speaker 1: Please don't get me in trouble. Okay, you're already in trouble.

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Speaker 1: You're pregnant, according to you, with a then twelve year

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Speaker 2: Listen again, Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 8: After that initial text exchange, the detective testified the victim

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Speaker 8: The detective said, Mcommon and the victim talked on the phone.

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Speaker 8: Recording played in court allowed the judge to hear the

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Speaker 8: conversation presumed to be between Mcommon and the victim. Common

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Speaker 1: Are all those tears supposed to somehow sway a little

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Speaker 1: calls joining me. In addition to Augie Colchlan, an investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter with Fox News Digital, I'm going to go to

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Speaker 1: Sam Doordoulian, high profile lawyer joining us out of La

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Speaker 1: former La County sex crimes prosecutor and founder of the

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Speaker 1: Dordoulian group, Sam, thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 2: What why is she calling him?

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Speaker 6: You know, she's just continuing the manipulation that she started

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Speaker 6: charge that she's facing. She's a predator, she's a manipulator,

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Speaker 6: and that's what she's continuing to do right now.

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Speaker 1: You know, well, mean, you're right everything that you just said,

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Speaker 1: Sam Dordulian. But now to Anna Sonoda child grooming expert,

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Speaker 1: licensed clinical social worker, author of Duck Duck Groom Understanding

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Speaker 1: how a child becomes a target, just exactly the kind

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Speaker 1: of expert that Sam Dordiullion would call to the Standna,

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Speaker 1: have you ever seen scenarios where there's a breakup, a

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Speaker 1: I think I left my umbrella at your house. You

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Speaker 2: It's an excuse. You don't need the hairspray, you don't

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Speaker 2: Leave it.

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Speaker 1: It's an excuse to contact the other person. See what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. Why is she still contacting this boy? And

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Speaker 1: if she is pregnant by this boy, that means they've

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Speaker 2: But what about these continued phone calls? What if you

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Speaker 10: Nancy, You've brought up some excellent points. I think where

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Speaker 10: and that is flattery, favoritism, forbidden fruits, and fear.

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Speaker 2: I need to write that down.

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Speaker 1: Flattery, favoritism, forbidden fruits, and fear and fear.

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Speaker 10: And if we only understood that as a culture, that

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Speaker 10: every single time a predator is grooming a child and

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Speaker 10: that happened online with her using gaming consoles, personal devices,

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Speaker 10: probably notice that there will be more than this one boy,

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Speaker 10: really compelling and egregious is that this initial attack, which

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Speaker 10: the teacher's home. And what we know from research is

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Speaker 10: that over eighty two percent of the time, the sexual

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Speaker 10: predator is going to victimize the child in their home.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I need to take in what you're just telling me.

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Speaker 1: The is this right, Audrey Conklin, and I have no

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Speaker 2: She's been right on every fact she's ever spouted out.

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Speaker 1: Audrey Conklin, the first, I don't even want to call

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Speaker 1: it a sex encounter. Don't you think that's a mistake,

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Speaker 1: Samdor Dullian to call an adult having sex with a

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Speaker 1: awkwards when it comes to boy victims because there's so

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Speaker 1: many jokes around it, like whow I want her to

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Speaker 1: When it's a girl, there's all sorts of outrage, as

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Speaker 2: Samdordoulian, It absolutely is.

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Speaker 6: This is child molestation. This is rape. And what disturbs me,

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Speaker 6: just like you said, is when you read comments about

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Speaker 6: He should be proud of it, he should be boasting

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Speaker 6: like your guests just spoke about.

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Speaker 1: Hey, can I tell you some Samdordullian and everybody on

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Speaker 1: the panel, it was a couple of months. Its actually

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Speaker 1: over the summer. The twin said that this little girl

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Speaker 1: that had been in their middle school class, which would

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Speaker 1: have meant five sixth seventh grade, had sent out nudies okay,

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Speaker 1: sent out naked pictures to Sunbock. Send it to one person.

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Speaker 1: Of course that person just send it to everybody. So

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Speaker 1: without her shirt. On long story short, my son told

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Speaker 1: me he said, Mom, she was topless.

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Speaker 2: He whispered the word.

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Speaker 1: Topless, Mom, she was topless. I'm like, really, my point

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Speaker 1: is they're not equipped to even talk frankly or logically

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Speaker 2: Durdulian.

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Speaker 6: No, that's absolutely true, and the studies verify that. You know,

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Speaker 6: they've studies where they've tried to suggest certain things, certain touching,

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Speaker 6: not obviously sexual touching in the studies, but certain touching

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Speaker 6: be suggested that certain things happen. They don't know the subject,

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Speaker 6: they don't understand it, they don't understand the consequences of it.

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Speaker 6: That's why they are child of victims. This is not

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Speaker 6: it's something good, it's an awful thing that this child

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Speaker 6: then if you throw in the other consequences, it's a

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Speaker 6: whether it's all these other things that no child is

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Speaker 2: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: where law and psychology intersect, Doctor Sherry Sports Do you agree?

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Speaker 1: That even the way you tell preteens or whatever age

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, and this is exactly what the research shows. And

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Speaker 7: Yes, he was spending the night at her house in

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Speaker 7: We don't know that right now, that's not included in

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Speaker 1: We are talking about a teacher. Her name is Alissa

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Speaker 1: mccommon now thirty eight. They just dropped a stink bomb

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Speaker 1: She is a saying as a any sex assault nurse examiner,

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Speaker 1: is in charge of forensic nursing consulting and education. Forensic

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Speaker 1: nursing consulting. Let that sink in Forensic nursing consulting in education,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to work on that. Rachel Fisher Rachel Fisher,

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Speaker 13: So when a boy comes into the hospital, we have

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Speaker 13: And that's the first time that we have to tell them.

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you, Rachel, I didn't even think that's

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Speaker 1: You know a Rachel Fisher forensic expert that is amazing

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Speaker 2: Who is this woman? Listen to our friends A crime

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Speaker 14: Alyssa mccommon isn't new to teaching. Before she joined Charger Academy.

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Speaker 14: Early in this school year, parents met with police reporting

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Speaker 15: Coming to Polisse say mccommon used a phone that police

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Speaker 15: Tip and County authorities are asking anyone whose child may

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's not good, wasn't it the Weinstein case Audrey Conklin,

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Speaker 1: molested them or forced them into sit Yes, Jackie, it's

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm about to go to WILLIAMS.

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Speaker 1: Slater, or cybersecurity expert and chief Information security officer at

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Speaker 1: Slater Technologies. You can find me at Bill slater dot com.

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Speaker 1: But Bill, I'm just a little hung up on what

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Speaker 1: listen to our friends WRJ now CPD.

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Speaker 3: They say that other victims have come forward, saying Mcommon

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Speaker 3: started playing video games with them, which led to her

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Speaker 3: allegedly sending inappropriate photos and requesting sexual relations. Her attorney

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Speaker 3: says she maintains her innocence.

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Speaker 16: We believe that it's borderline a witch hunt on social

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Speaker 16: media now, and that's frustrating to us.

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Speaker 2: A witch hunt? Are they kidding?

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Speaker 1: Sandor Dulian, a high profile lawyer joining out of la

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Speaker 1: former prosecutor. It's a witch hunt because the cops are

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Speaker 1: looking for other victims of the teacher Elissabercommon.

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Speaker 2: That's the witch hunt.

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Speaker 6: We know from all of these cases. We've all seen

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Speaker 6: it before who worked in this industry, that these kind

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Speaker 6: of child predators, it's not just one, they have multiple victims.

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Speaker 6: It's just a matter of finding these multiple victims. And

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Speaker 6: as more and more of these children come forward, of course,

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Speaker 6: she wants to ask the public about you know, whether

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Speaker 6: or not they're children who are not going to come

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Speaker 6: up and speak unless they're specifically asked, and even then

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Speaker 6: it's we're unsure if they're going to actually admit it.

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Speaker 6: But these predators will commit these offenses against multiple children,

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Speaker 6: and that's something that we know from trying these type

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Speaker 6: of cases over and over again. And what's sad about

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Speaker 6: this particular one is that, like you said earlier, there's

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Speaker 6: outrage when it's a male teacher, and there's less of

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Speaker 6: an outrage when it's this female teacher because we're trained to,

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Speaker 6: you know, put our guards down when it's a female,

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Speaker 6: when it's a mom, we have expectations that they're not

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Speaker 6: going to be the child predators. But we've seen on

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Speaker 6: your show even multiple instances where you have these women

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Speaker 6: who are also child predators. We as parents have to

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Speaker 6: keep our guards up. Just because it's a woman, just

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Speaker 6: because it's a mom, doesn't mean they're not capable of

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Speaker 6: doing these horristic acts as we're seeing in this particular case.

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Speaker 1: To aa Sonoda joining us, child greaming expert, licensed clinical

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Speaker 1: social worker, author of Duck Duck Groom.

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Speaker 2: Understanding of how a child becomes a target. Anna.

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Speaker 1: If I don't ask you the next question, my producer

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Speaker 1: Jackie will never stop waiving a note at me.

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Speaker 2: It's very distracting.

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Speaker 1: The question is have you ever seen That's My Boy,

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Speaker 1: a movie by Adam Sandler where a parent, I've never

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Speaker 1: seen that. That just has not been on my list.

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Speaker 1: About a team raising his teachers baby. Okay, it must

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Speaker 1: be about Mary Kayla Turno that said, I think what

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Speaker 1: she's trying to communicate in her own very special, special

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Speaker 1: way is that this is glamorized. This activity is glamorized.

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Speaker 1: It's called Hotford teacher. Where you have this in the movies,

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Speaker 1: and it's always some incredibly sexy teacher and a boy student.

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Speaker 1: It's not hot, it's ripe, and it messes the kid's

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Speaker 1: head up forever.

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Speaker 10: You're exactly right, Nancy. Predators are fueled by gas, so grooming, access,

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Speaker 10: and space, and the school administrators here in this situation

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Speaker 10: provided all three to this predator. There's a reason that

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Speaker 10: she placed herself in elementary schools and in middle schools

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Speaker 10: because predators have a type, and her type is young

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Speaker 10: newly adolescent males. And one thing we have to remember,

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Speaker 10: because we can often get ourselves into situations of feeling

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Speaker 10: parental paralysis because this is a very scary idea and

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Speaker 10: the scary concept. But predators are going to do one

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Speaker 10: of two things. They're either going to elevate minor children

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Speaker 10: to the role of a peer, or they're going to

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Speaker 10: relate to children as an equal. So we don't need

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Speaker 10: to be afraid of everybody, because predators stand out in

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Speaker 10: their behavior. This teacher went out of her way to

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Speaker 10: bring children to her She went onto gaming devices and

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Speaker 10: gaming apps that the children were using. She brought children

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Speaker 10: to her home. There were many indicators of how she

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Speaker 10: was using the grooming process to select and attack her victims.

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Speaker 10: So in no way is this a situation that is

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Speaker 10: minor in any way, and you have.

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Speaker 2: To have intent. Have you ever got on Minecraft?

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Speaker 1: I tried to do something with my son John David

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Speaker 1: and go on Minecraft. You know you build houses and

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Speaker 1: things like that. It my head hurts just trying to

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Speaker 1: remember me trying to build a house on Minecraft. This

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Speaker 1: woman must have been very determined if she's gone online

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Speaker 1: gaming as an intro to meet little kids. Crime stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grease, Okay, William Slater waiting patiently for a

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Speaker 1: reason William Slater did you ever.

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Speaker 2: See any of the Winnie the Pooh movies ever in

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Speaker 2: your life?

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Speaker 9: I think I saw it once or twice. I like

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Speaker 9: William Winnie the Pooh, but I'm not a huge fan.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that was the first movie I ever took the

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Speaker 1: twins to ever, was the Winnie the Pooh movie.

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Speaker 2: It was playing at the cinement. Was a new one

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Speaker 2: at that time.

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Speaker 1: And in every Pooh movie, he always falls into a

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Speaker 1: vat of honey.

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Speaker 2: It could be a bowl, it could be a big barrel.

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Speaker 2: He could be trapped in there and he's eating his

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Speaker 2: way out and he's so happy. That's what I feel

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Speaker 2: like right now.

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Speaker 1: Why Why do I feel that way when I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about a serious case because of tech technology? You heard

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Speaker 1: Rachel Fisher, the forensic nurse. You heard Sam door Dullian,

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Speaker 1: doctor Sherry Schwartz, Lisa Daddio. We don't have physical evidence,

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Speaker 1: but what such as DNA. But what we do have

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Speaker 1: is tech A mile long. William Slater, cybersecurity expert, Chief

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Speaker 1: Information Security Officer at Slater Technology. Find him at buildslater

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Speaker 1: dot com. I mean a burner phone. What school teacher

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Speaker 1: needs a burner phone? I mean criminal law still investigating cases.

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Speaker 1: I don't need a burner phone. Why does a fourth

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Speaker 1: grade teacher need a couple of burner phones?

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Speaker 2: How are we going to track the burner phones?

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Speaker 1: How are we gonna get all of those alleged naked

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Speaker 1: or suggestive photos and texts down out of the iCloud?

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Speaker 1: Because you know she's erased at all, William Slater.

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Speaker 9: Well, first of all, I don't think she's probably smart

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Speaker 9: enough to cover her tracts forensically.

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Speaker 2: She got a burner phone, so she knows something.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's very telling. When she was first arrested, I'm

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Speaker 9: sure there was a court order that barred her from

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Speaker 9: having any communication with the young man she was accused

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Speaker 9: of being involved with. Yeah, that worked. Well, yeah, I know.

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Speaker 9: So it's pretty appaired to me that at this point

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Speaker 9: she was eligible for surveillance and they were just waiting

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Speaker 9: for her to screw up. And I'd like to politely

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Speaker 9: remind everybody that this is like the Mary Kay Laturno

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Speaker 9: affair in the mid nineties, where she got involved with

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Speaker 9: a twelve year old also was a teacher. Really, yeah,

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Speaker 9: it broke up her marriage and she wound up after

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Speaker 9: spending seven and a half years in jail. She wound

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Speaker 9: up marrying the guy, but that just did work out.

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Speaker 9: She passed away in twenty twenty at the age of

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Speaker 9: fifty eight. This is like, this situation is like Mary

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Speaker 9: Laternal with all the techs. And I'll make a comment here,

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Speaker 9: and I think this is important to state. I've been

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Speaker 9: in the industry over forty years, actually forty six years,

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Speaker 9: and one thing that I've noticed. I started noticing this

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Speaker 9: in two thousand and seven, is that you get people

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Speaker 9: that gaming is like a cult, it's like a subculture

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Speaker 9: in society, and so gamers it's so stimulating to their

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Speaker 9: brains that they like to hunt out other gamers and

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Speaker 9: discuss their experiences. So I think once she found out

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Speaker 9: that these young people were in the computer video games,

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Speaker 9: that was her ticket in to kind of get their attention.

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Speaker 9: And they start discussing the things that gamers discuss. So

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Speaker 9: to me, that ought to be a red flag that

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Speaker 9: you've got adults talking about their gaming experiences with young people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but not to children.

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Speaker 1: I mean Lisa Daddio, my son, has said many many

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Speaker 1: times about a particular Scout leader. Yeah, he plays video games,

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Speaker 1: or he can do X or Y, or he talks

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Speaker 1: about A or B and there are things that relate

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Speaker 1: to children, and don't worry, Lisa. I immediately checked out

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Speaker 1: Scout leader totally okay, and did surveillance. I might add

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Speaker 1: you do recall the story that two years in a

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Speaker 1: row I made my husband train to be a volunteer

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Speaker 1: and go camping on the scout trip. It was the

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Speaker 1: week in Hgul. Okay, I should have gotten an eagle

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Speaker 1: Scout in that one week. One day I walked thirty

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Speaker 1: five thousand steps okay, watching the twins to make sure

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Speaker 1: they weren't being molested. Guess what they weren't, Lisa Daddio.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know you have seen the scenario before,

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Speaker 1: not with the teacher of maybe, but where the adult

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Speaker 1: grooms the child. The first case I had this way

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Speaker 1: was the It was a little boy. I can see

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Speaker 1: him right now, and he was learning disabled and one

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Speaker 1: thing he loved he loved to go to the arcade.

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Speaker 1: That's where you'd have to go to an arcade like

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Speaker 1: in a mall or something to play video games. And

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Speaker 1: his attacker, who was to some people not me an attractive,

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Speaker 1: accomplished married guy, great job education the works, would give

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Speaker 1: him roles Jackie of quarters, and then he would use

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Speaker 1: up the quarters and then he'd take the little boy

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Speaker 1: home in the lesson, so he groomed him. He was

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Speaker 1: playing those games at the arcade, right grimming Lisa Daddio.

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Speaker 12: Oh, absolutely, And honestly, Nancy, we've seen it repeatedly, and

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Speaker 12: it's I don't know, I think, for at least me,

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Speaker 12: I'm a mom. I have three boys investigative this type

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Speaker 12: of stuff. Obviously, I find it more disturbing when the

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Speaker 12: perpetrators are women, and I just can't in my mind.

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Speaker 9: Wrap around the whole.

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Speaker 12: At what point do you wake up and say, hey

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Speaker 12: today to go out and read Hey.

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Speaker 1: I want to follow up on something you just said,

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Speaker 1: Lisadaddio with doctor Sherry Schwartz. She's right, yourrs, doctor Sherry Schwartz.

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Speaker 1: Of course we're now forensic psychologist and author, doctor Sherry Schwartz.

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Speaker 1: Youurr rs have a harder time accepting that a female

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Speaker 1: defendant rape someone, or it kills someone, or abused a child,

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Speaker 1: because they think of their own mother, their sister, their grandma.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to take that in.

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Speaker 1: But once they accept it, they are vengeful. Because I

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Speaker 1: think grrs and people in general equate like we're hearing

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Speaker 1: Lisa Daddio say, you don't really expect this from a woman.

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Speaker 1: Statistically it's low. But I think we equate other women

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Speaker 1: with being moms and that what mom would do this?

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Speaker 1: She's got two girls, why would she do this to

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Speaker 1: a little boy?

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Speaker 11: You're exactly right, this is exactly in a way. It's

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Speaker 11: kind of a burden on women. But it cuts both

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Speaker 11: ways because we look at women and say, no, they're

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Speaker 11: not perpetrators. A sleepover at her house is going to

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Speaker 11: be perfectly safe because she's a woman and she's a

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Speaker 11: mom who wouldn't dare to hurt another child. But you

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Speaker 11: are absolutely right. Once people accept that, they are going

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Speaker 11: to be especially hard on that woman, and in a

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Speaker 11: way as they should be.

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Speaker 1: You know, earlier I was asking our tech expert, William Slater,

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Speaker 1: how are we going to prove this case the technology?

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Speaker 1: What about this? Prove it through similar transactions? Take a

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Speaker 1: Let's Star friends WRG.

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Speaker 16: We don't know their ages or genders, but tonight we

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Speaker 16: know multiple children under the age of eighteen have come

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Speaker 16: forward with disturbing allegations accusing thirty eight year old teacher

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Speaker 16: Elissa mccommon of inappropriate conduct.

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Speaker 17: As a seasoned detective, I can tell you there's no

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Speaker 17: more cases that are more troubling to anybody to have

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Speaker 17: to work than when you have an authority figure that

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Speaker 17: possibly has breached to trust that this community has given her.

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Speaker 16: So tonight, Chief Turner says, the focus is on finding

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Speaker 16: any other possible victims so they can get them help

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Speaker 16: and file charges against Mcommon.

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Speaker 17: We just want to encourage and urge any victims or

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Speaker 17: their families to come down and speak with us or

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Speaker 17: to speak to the sheriff's office.

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, they really think there are other young victims.

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Speaker 1: This kid twelve years old when he reportedly was raped

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Speaker 1: by his female teacher, a married mom of two. What

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Speaker 1: about this? Augi Couchlin joining me, investigative reporter, Fox News Digital.

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Speaker 1: So the claim is made she has raped the little boy,

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Speaker 1: she gets a bond.

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Speaker 2: Is it true, Audrey?

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Speaker 1: That she gets out on bond and one of the

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Speaker 1: first things she does is contact the little boy against

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Speaker 1: her bond conditions and says you'll regret this.

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Speaker 7: Yes, that's what police and local news are saying. They're

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Speaker 7: saying that she contacted the boy a previously unknown phone

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Speaker 7: number and was sending him text messages, and there was

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Speaker 7: a phone call. Apparently she told him that he would

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Speaker 7: regret this. You know, I think I think we can

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Speaker 7: assume that she means he'll regret speaking out against her

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Speaker 7: and coming forward with his allegations. And then she quickly,

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Speaker 7: you know, I think, realized what she was doing and

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Speaker 7: staid in another text messages and an other text message

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Speaker 7: that she wouldn't contact him again and please don't say anything.

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Speaker 7: So she's obviously scared of retaliation and.

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Speaker 1: Whoa hold on, lady, not retaliation, prosecution, because Sam.

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Speaker 11: Door Julian and yeah, that's what I'm I'm.

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Speaker 1: Just so happy you did, because it gave me a

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Speaker 1: chance to really like raise a little HG double al

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Speaker 1: on you, hey, Samdrdulian. That's called intimidating a witness. So

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Speaker 1: now she's back in jail because the very first thing

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Speaker 1: she did is do what the judge said, stay away

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Speaker 1: from the victim, don't contact the victim, and she writes,

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Speaker 1: you'll regret this.

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Speaker 2: Ah ah, She's going to jail. I don't think she's

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Speaker 2: ever going to get back out.

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Speaker 6: Well I hope she doesn't, because you know, we're talking

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Speaker 6: about what she did to this little boy We're talking

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Speaker 6: about what she did to multiple children, and the impact

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Speaker 6: on these kids is something that we don't talk about enough.

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Speaker 6: I mean, this is lifelong trauma. There's new studies that

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Speaker 6: are coming out that aren't even talking about the emotional

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Speaker 6: harm of the psychological harm. They're talking about physical harm

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Speaker 6: to the brain. We have multiple sexual molestations, as these

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Speaker 6: kids have probably faced. It starts changing the structure of

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Speaker 6: the brain. You're talking about a brain injury. You know,

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Speaker 6: we talk about it in the terms of psychological injury,

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Speaker 6: but this is lifelong, permanent injury that we're now starting

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Speaker 6: to understand would have an impact on the child's brain

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Speaker 6: and how that brain develops. The significance and the impact

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Speaker 6: is so great that I hope to God she doesn't

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Speaker 6: see the light of day so she harms another child,

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Speaker 6: because she's clearly a predator, and.

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Speaker 1: So many children hurt here. If the allegations are true,

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Speaker 1: and I wrote no reason to disbelieve the little boy,

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Speaker 1: her own children have been dragged into this.

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Speaker 2: What a mess. Actually, it's a felony.

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Speaker 1: If you have information regarding Alyssa mccommon or any of

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Speaker 1: her potential victims, please call nine zero one four seven

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Speaker 1: five one two six' one repeat nine zero one four seven,

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Speaker 1: five one two six one Goodbye friend,