1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: But they've gotten to be so savvy. We've had several 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: kids this year as they were going through their slides, 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: and they'd show a graph on expenses and the like, 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: here's basically a snapshot of our expenses. I'd love to 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: go into more detail. In Q and A, they're baiting 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: the judges to ask what. 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: Is wrong with that? I love it. 8 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: It's again you watching it like I am stupid At 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: this age, I was trying to impress my girlfriend, who 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: thank god is my wife now. 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: But like you go, like, what, Welcome to an army 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney. I'm a normal guy, 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: a husband, a father, an entrepreneur, and I've been a 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: football coach in inner city Memphis. And that last part, 15 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: somehow it led to an oscar for the film about 16 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: our team called Undefeated Guys Leave. Our country's problems will 17 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: never be solved by a bunch of fancy people in 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: nice suits using big words that nobody ever uses on 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 2: CNN and Fox, but rather by an army of normal folks, 20 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: us just you and me deciding you know what I 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: can help. That's what Don Wettrick, the voice we just heard, 22 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: has done. Don is without a doubt one of the 23 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: most innovative teachers I've ever met, bringing things I've never 24 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: heard of like genius time and open source learning to 25 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: his classroom and his latest innovation, the Started Up Foundation, 26 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: which has helped Indiana teachers engage over six thousand students 27 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: with the most elite entrepreneurship pitch competition. I cannot wait 28 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: for you to meet Don right after these brief messages 29 00:01:54,200 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: from our general sponsors. Don Wetrick, Welcome to Memphis. 30 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: Hey, my feet are off of Bill I don't. I 31 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: tried to listen to that. 32 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: I think it is. 33 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: Do you really feel the way I feel? Yeah? 34 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: Well am I am? 35 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: Tonight something like that the son Are you a Christian? Yeah? 36 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, we could do the blue Swede shoes thing and 37 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 2: everything else. So you just flew in this today in 38 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: good old Indianapolis. Yeah, we're gonna get the started Up Foundation, 39 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: which is your world today. But something you and I 40 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: have in common is we were teachers. And I was 41 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 2: a school teacher and a football coach right out of 42 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 2: college when I started life. And I was that candidly 43 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: because when I grew up as a kid, my cool 44 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: teachers and coaches were really the positive people in my life, 45 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: and that's why I wanted to be one. And so 46 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: when I say you were a teacher, I say that 47 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: with an enormous spot of respect because I think it's 48 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: a way underappreciated, undervalued, and underpaid profession. And people don't 49 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,119 Speaker 2: do it to get rich. They do it because it's 50 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: a calling. 51 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: They get life rich in a lot of cases. But 52 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: thank you. 53 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, some can, I guess, but not many. But anyway, 54 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: so tell us how you grew up. Tell us just 55 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: a little bit about your background. 56 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: It's actually it's the reason how the reason why I 57 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: do what I do is because I think, deep downside, 58 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: the only thing I've ever really wanted to be is 59 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: my dad. He is great. I love my mom too, 60 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: and my sister, who was also an educator. But it 61 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: really started is that so I had the first degree 62 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: and that my mom and dad paid for it, which 63 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: was nice, although in nineteen ninety five it wasn't that bad, right, 64 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: love your mom and dad? 65 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: But where you go to school? 66 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: Boss? State? Got it? David Letterman? 67 00:03:59,400 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: You yes? 68 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: And so about a year after I graduated, I again 69 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: I started to long for purpose. The first job I 70 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: have him. We'll get into what profession it was, but 71 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: I wasn't fulfilled. Let's just put it that way. And 72 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: I called my mom and dad and like, hey, I 73 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: just want to let you know I'm not looking for money. 74 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: I'm married at this point, as I'm not looking for money, 75 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: but I think I'm going to go back to school 76 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: and get my teaching license. And my dad, who I 77 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: mean that, He does not complain. My dad does not 78 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: say anything mean about him. But it's strange how noble 79 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: this guy is. This guy, my dad is sorry, but 80 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: he took his deep breath and he's like, because again 81 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: he's been in education for a long time. Oh he's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 82 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: more on that, on what he taught. Okay, we're gonna 83 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: bond over that. But he goes, you know, I don't 84 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: care if you teach for the next twenty years. Don't 85 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: teach one year twenty times. And that meant nothing to 86 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: me until year two, and then it meant everything to me. Yeah, 87 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: because I could tell that if I got to this routine, 88 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: it was not going to have as much meaning for me. 89 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: It's sure as heck, wasn't gonna have as much meaning 90 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: for my students. And so the longer I taught the 91 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: more of those. 92 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 2: That's that's interesting. If you're going to teach twenty years, 93 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 2: don't teach the same thing twenty times. Yeah, twenty times, 94 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 2: and meaning gets stagnant, boring and effect and bestly and effective. Right. 95 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: Well, I'm not gonna name names, but I remember there 96 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: was one teacher that I knew and then he was 97 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: and I mean last is like nineteen ninety seven, right, 98 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: but like this person was still getting his year out 99 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: from the closet and you weren't allowed to write on 100 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: the dittos. I said, dittos. The remember when like and 101 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: that you could like like kind of get a buzz 102 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: off the ditto. So yeah, but he, like this guy 103 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: like you weren't allowed to write on it because he 104 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: didn't want to copy it again. And so that's when 105 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: it dawned on me. And like, my dad's talking about that, 106 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: and he would always complain. This is also when I 107 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: had a really hard time keeping my mouth shut. But 108 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: this guy was complaining like, oh, the kids don't even 109 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: respect my class, and in my head and because you're 110 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: boring the hell out of them, I'm like, you don't 111 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: respect your classes, you. 112 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: Don't even respect joke, what'd your dad teach Oh shop shop. 113 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: Let me fano, I love this fan boy out that 114 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: you got to interview one of my one of my 115 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: Mike row Uh. So my dad taught shop. I gotta 116 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: tell a story from the story because I listened to them. 117 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: First of all, I love your podcast. I'm honored to 118 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: be on it. So I heard you interviewed Mike. And 119 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: so he came to Indianapolis and he did a thing 120 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: with a group called Strata. It's a nonprofit and so 121 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: they had a break and they're like, hey, you're allowed 122 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: to have your book signed by Mike. And they're like 123 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: the handlers are like listen, don't take selfies and don't 124 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: like yeah. And so anyway Mike had been talking about 125 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: when we started getting rid of shop class was was 126 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: it hurt education really bad? So I couldn't help it. 127 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely. 128 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: So I get in the line, I'm like like looking around, 129 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: and I go, he gets my book. I go, I know, 130 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to talk. But my dad was a shop teacher, 131 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: and then they put him in the guidance department and 132 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: then the guidance department, and then they told him to 133 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: start shutting down the shop department. And he was listening 134 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: to this, and he looked up and his mic Boro 135 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: voice goes like Jesus carrying his own cross. Oh my gosh, 136 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: getting me another book. And he signed a book to 137 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: my dad, and of course like again, you're not supposed talk, 138 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: You're supposed keep going. And I still got on the phone, 139 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: I took the selfie. I could somebody has got a 140 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: signed the book. 141 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: I would argue that two of the saddus days in 142 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: education were when shop went away and Civics went away. 143 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: Civics was a class that we all used to have 144 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: to take. And today many of our young people don't 145 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: even understand how our government works and therefore lack so 146 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: much civility and understanding of our representative former government because 147 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: they've never been taught how we civically exist. 148 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: Or the appreciation of what we currently have. 149 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: Yeah that too, Yeah, that's not why we're here. But 150 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: that's fun. 151 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: Soapbox for no. No, And I'll give one more or 152 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: less bit of family thing because I agree to that, 153 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: and also the appreciation. So my mom was a stay 154 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: at home mom, which makes her an educator. My dad 155 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: was an educator, and so I traveled by pickup truck 156 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: and pop up Camper. 157 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: I was going to say that means very blue collarish existence, socioeconomic. 158 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: Below your means. But so I'm life rich because I 159 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: mean we traveled and so growing up going to Koa 160 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: and Yogi Bear campgrounds, I knew how kids from the 161 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: South acted. I knew how kids up in Minnesota didn't 162 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: talk as much like I got a I got a 163 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: cultural education. So anyway, I'm really proud of how I 164 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: was raised. And yeah, I had a deep, profound effect 165 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: on me and how I taught. 166 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: Clearly because you I want to do that. So you 167 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 2: get a job teaching Yeah where. 168 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: Greenwood, Indiana? Well, actually I take that. I'm not sure 169 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: if I should talk about it. Well, for for six 170 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: months I took over. I won't say the name of 171 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: school because it now it may be rude, but a 172 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: woman had a nervous breakdown, as I heard, and I 173 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: took over for her. So my first one semester was 174 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: that another school, and then I went to Greenwood my 175 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: first full year teaching middle school language. 176 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 2: Arts and what was your I remember my first year 177 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 2: teaching What was that like for you? 178 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: Man? If this was a longer podcast, we had two 179 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: very tragic and weird things happened at the school within 180 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: the first month of school, and then the teachers were like, 181 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: it's never like this, Like we don't hope like we 182 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: had I mean not like one student's dad beat his 183 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: wife to death. Oh god, except she lived. I don't 184 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: want to get too much information, but like, yeah, it that. 185 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: And then we had another kid that had some issues 186 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: and enough to you know, make the news kind of thing. 187 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: So wow, yeah, like this is my first month, well 188 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: the job, yeah, yea yeah. And at the same time, 189 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: but also I don't know, like I've always gravitated towards 190 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: students that were like me and so which is C 191 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: and D. You know, like I wasn't a great student 192 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: until my sophomore year of high school and my parents 193 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: begged and pleaded with me. Again, they're so nice that 194 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: they could have threatened me, I guess, but please and 195 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: so yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah it. I in 196 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: my first year, I started finding my my soft spot. 197 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: And and that's the other thing is like I remember 198 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: doing my student teaching. I'm like, I'll never teach middle 199 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: school and that was the first job offer I got, 200 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: and like, I'm never going to leave middle school. And 201 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: I did that for ten years. 202 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 2: That's funny. My first my first job was teaching middle 203 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 2: school and a middle school room teacher, which was so 204 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: much fun. That was actually the best fifteen minutes of 205 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: my life every single day. 206 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: Don't you miss the beginning of school when they were excited, 207 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: like middle schoolers are, like, maybe it's different now, but 208 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: they were excited to start talking to me, especially after 209 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: the summer break. Mister Richard, can they tell me what 210 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: they did over the summer? 211 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 212 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: Then when I transferred to high school, they were way 213 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: too cool. 214 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: Yeah they were good, but middle school, I mean yeah, 215 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: and it was just a lot of fun. So you 216 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: evolved as a teacher, and that evolution led to I 217 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: think if I filled the blanks for me, but I 218 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: think as you evolved, you also watched a Ted Talk 219 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 2: that spoke to you in terms of that evolution, which 220 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: changed everything for you. 221 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean is that's that's the one hundred percent of 222 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: the origin story, so kind of that. 223 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 224 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: I still have this email friend of mine during my 225 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: lunch period this said this said you gotta watch this, 226 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: and it was a link. It was a Ted Talk 227 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: and his Daniel Pink. For those watching at home or 228 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: listening at home, you should listen to it, and he 229 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: goes intore and talks about what motivates people. 230 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: First of all, I'd seen it yeah before, Yeah, And 231 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: in preparation of your arrival, I watched it again about 232 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: two hours ago, and it may have been more impactful 233 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: the second time I watched it than the first time 234 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 2: I watched it. Why don't you just talk a little 235 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: bit about it as well. 236 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: Sure, he goes into what motivates people and he talks 237 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: about how historically I think ed Lassian was among the first, 238 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: and then Google made it famous for their Google Time 239 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: and that was twenty percent time, right, so twenty percent 240 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: of your work week, i e. One day a week 241 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: you could learn whatever you wanted to learn. But Google 242 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: was really in the infancy of their company and they 243 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: just wanted to know, like what are you taking away? 244 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: What are you learning? So as they basically said, you know, 245 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: Google Maps, Gmail, all came out of this Google Time. 246 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: So I'm watching it and he starts talking again, like 247 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: he talks about mastery, autonomy, and purpose. That was the 248 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: big thing. Mastery. We are all designed to want to 249 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: master something, whether that is beating the final boss at 250 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: Super Mario Galaxy or doing a kickflip autonomy, would you 251 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: please leave me alone for a little bit so I 252 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: can work on this because this is important to me? 253 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: And then purpose This is important to me. And as 254 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm watching it during my lunch period, I'm like, okay, 255 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: mastery school does that, although autonomy and purpose is up 256 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: to question, especially purpose, So I. 257 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: Would argue especially autonomy too. Shutout, shut up, do your homework, yeah, 258 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: raise your hand, ask her the bathroom. Do your homework 259 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 2: be graded on that, be penalized if you don't. I mean, really, 260 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 2: a student is very non autonomous position. 261 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: Unless it's unless it's a group project and you're the 262 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: one that actually gets a darn right. 263 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 2: Well that's right, but yeah, ninety percent of school it's 264 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 2: not group projects. Right. So the point is you're watching 265 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: this and you're and to be candid, the Ted talk 266 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: is really about these tenants and this idea of freedom 267 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: to be creative measured against incentive and disincentive in centive 268 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: for doing well, just for not doing well what you 269 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: calls caret and stick as it pertains to a new management, 270 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: twenty first century management business model. He's really talking about 271 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: business work and that Ted talk. But you said this applies. 272 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: To what I do every day or wanted to do 273 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: more of. Yeah, So I taught at the time two 274 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: different classes. One was a freshman language arts class and 275 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: the other one I had a kind of a department 276 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: that we kind of created, and it was television broadcasting 277 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: and documentary filmmaking. And so the master autonomy purpose was 278 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: definitely my FCTV stuff. Right, this is when I was 279 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: at Franklin Community High School, so FCTV definitely follow that pattern. 280 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: But my freshman so I by the way, I watched 281 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: it during my lunch class and because I immediately was 282 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: like so cool when they get back from lunch, like you. 283 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: Gotta watch this. 284 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: And to be fair for the average freshman, it was 285 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: a little dry. I liked it as an adult. My 286 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: kids are like, okay, like what do you why do 287 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: you shows to us? 288 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: And I go, what have I? 289 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: Let you do work on whatever you want to work 290 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: on Friday and they're like. 291 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: You're gonna do twenty percent right, and they're like what. 292 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: Does that even mean? And I'm like, what do you 293 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: want to do? And this is the most eye opening thing. 294 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: My A and B students were immediately in panic, like, well, 295 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: then how do I get an A and my C 296 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: and D students were like, are you serious, because like, 297 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to do some stuff right, And then I 298 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: had one smart app shure, sorry smart, Yeah, I. 299 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: Don't want to smart. 300 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: But he's like, he is, well, I want to do 301 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: a sleep study. 302 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: I love that kid, and so but yeah, I would 303 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: have known that guy. 304 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, so I was like, my chest move, I go, 305 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: you told it. So I had a TV studio that 306 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: the part of the studio was like completely dark. I go, 307 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: you should like, I'll get you a sleep mask and 308 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: a pillow and a blanket. Let's day to collect see 309 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: if it performed like it, it affects your performance rest 310 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: of your school day. I bet your grades go up 311 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: in periods five, six, and seven. And he's like, I 312 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: was just trying to make you mad and it did work. 313 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: And and so this was like right after spring break, 314 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: which is the worst time to start anything new. Yeah, 315 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: school's over right, right, But there was enough interest there 316 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: that I asked my principal could I start my own class? 317 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 2: Start a new class? New class? Are you gonna call? 318 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: And that's just funny he said that. He goes, uh, sure, 319 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: if there is a Daniel Pink course, description in the 320 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: State of Indiana Catalog than good, and you know that 321 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: dumb and Dumber scene where he's like, so you're saying. 322 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 2: I got a chance, so you're saying, there's a shot. 323 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: And so I find this really vague, really vague course description. 324 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: I think it was called group Discussion class. I think 325 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: it's gone now, but I'm like, there it is. And 326 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: there's a funnier story that I'm not sure if I 327 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: want to tell because I kind of twist the truth 328 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: on how to get it done. But I no, no, 329 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 1: I'll go into that. He leaves. He the principal. He 330 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: was in between jobs and he was going to be 331 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:42,959 Speaker 1: a principle. 332 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: You told the new principle he had approved it. Yeah, yeah, 333 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 2: I caught you. 334 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: Which was a blessing, and this guy ended up being 335 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: really nice over time. But when the school year started, 336 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 1: he's like, who approved this? And I went you and 337 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: so he's like, listen at Christmas break or winter break, 338 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: it's over. And so it was a blessing because the 339 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: kids started to like the class, and I said, hey, man, 340 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: let's be so awesome that they can't ignore it. Let's 341 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: be so awesome that there's no way that they want to, 342 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: you know, shut it down. And that was what rallied 343 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: the troops, meaning got the kids working absolutely not all 344 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: not all by like again, this was an experimental weird class. 345 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 2: Well, it's an experimental weird idea, which is is and 346 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 2: so everybody can follow along the experimental experimental weird idea 347 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 2: comes from and I hope I can explain this visually. 348 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: The candle experiment, yah, which which is you're shown a 349 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 2: table up against a wall and you've got a matt 350 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 2: You've got matches, a candle and a container of tax thumbtacks. 351 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: And the thing is you have to mount the candle 352 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 2: to the wall and light it so that wax does 353 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: not get to the table. Right, I'm describing that right now, right, 354 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: I'm trying to do a visual verbally. And they incented 355 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: some people with if you can do it quicker than 356 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,239 Speaker 2: everybody else, you're going to get a large sum of 357 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 2: money if you can do it, if you're one of 358 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 2: the top twenty five percent people that can figure it out, 359 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 2: you're going to get another sum of money. And the 360 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: ones who are last to get no money. And they 361 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: said go and people were trying to light the candle 362 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 2: and Max and melt the wax and stick it to 363 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 2: the wall, which, of course the candle stuck, but then 364 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 2: wax when you let the candle dripped onto the table. 365 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: People were trying to thumbtack the and then some people 366 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: spilled the tax onto the table and use the can 367 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 2: container that the tax were in, and they tacked that 368 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 2: container to the wall, and they put the candle, and 369 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 2: the container lit the candle and the container stopped the 370 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 2: waxually contain. Yeah right, yep, all right, so pretty much 371 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 2: all of them eventually figured it out. But the weird 372 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: thing is the ones that were in scented or the incentive, 373 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 2: the incented ones actually took more time than the unincented ones, 374 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: which flies in the face of conventional wisdom, which is 375 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: iro incentives lead to better performance. And his argument is 376 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 2: left to their own devices. Allowing people a tendant autonomy 377 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 2: to be creative and thoughtful and look at something rather 378 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: than a rifle view will get it. From a wide 379 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: lened shotgun view, you see all kinds of possibilities and 380 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 2: therefore more creative. Right, yeah, and so you wanted to 381 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 2: teach your students that concept. 382 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, However, I will say, in a control group or 383 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: like you know you're you're paid to be there for 384 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: a day. That's one thing when you have a legacy 385 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: environment of said down, shut up, it's really it's hard 386 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: to think about. 387 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: And now a few messages from our general sponsors. 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We'll be right back. 396 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: The first reaction was how do I get an A? 397 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: And when I told them that, they would be self grading. 398 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: So I like, we're talking like like what do you 399 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: want to accomplish? And like let's write short and medium 400 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: term goals and so, and ironically enough, the kids were 401 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: harder on themselves, like you can't be s the bs 402 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: circa like every now, and the kids like I deserve 403 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: an A why? And they'd smile, but like the vast 404 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: majority of kids, they would set a goal. Let's just 405 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: let's go somewhere with cliche. I want to learn how 406 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: to code, and I'm going to go to a website 407 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: where you go and I'm gonna master or I'm going 408 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: to accomplish the first five levels. And they go and 409 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: they do it, and then by the end of the 410 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: two weeks, because the usually had two week goals, and 411 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: they'd go like, dude, I didn't get past the second one, 412 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: so so like I don't know, I get like A 413 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: D I'm like, why didn't you get past the fifth 414 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: It's harder than I thought. I'm like, awesome, well what 415 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: do you think. I get an A and they're like, 416 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: what do you mean? And A, I like, you set 417 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: a goal, you realize that it was harder than your thought. 418 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: So are you going to set it better, more defined 419 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: goal next time? Yeah, yeah, I'll be lucky if I 420 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: get to the next module by the end of the 421 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: next week, so maybe two modules in two weeks. I'm like, awesome, 422 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: A and they were like that is weird, but thank 423 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: you and or one of my favorite outcomes. And I'm 424 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: not saying this to make developers mad, but I also 425 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: had a lot of it. This was like like right 426 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: when co dot org and so these other places started 427 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: to take off. There was some that went through it 428 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 1: and they're like, I don't want to do this. I 429 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: had several students like this is what and I wasn't 430 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: just coding, like this is what I think I want 431 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: to go into college for. And I'm like, well, then 432 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: like start working on it in high school. And when 433 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: the students said, I've been doing this for like the 434 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: last two or four weeks and yeah, and then I go, congratulations, 435 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: I save you twenty several thousand dollars on changing your major. 436 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 2: I did you did waste your first year of college 437 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: or that's interesting. 438 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: Worse yet the first two years because a lot of 439 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: times you don't get the internship into your junior year, 440 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: and that like happened to me. I got, I got 441 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: my junior yeart college. I'm again, I'm not gonna like 442 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: dog on it. But like when I got done, I 443 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: realized in the bottom of my stomach that this career 444 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: wasn't right for me. But I was so close graduating 445 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: and stuck it out. So like in a lot of ways, 446 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: their approach on autonomy and mastery was them figuring themselves 447 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: out and just the awesomeness of being able to set 448 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: your own goals and then how someone hold you accountable? 449 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: That was the class. 450 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 2: So I think it's important to talk about your three rules. 451 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: Thank you for doing? Yeah, go ahead, No, you go ahead. 452 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: It depends on which the episode you're listen, Like, first 453 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: of all, yeah, who does it help other than you? 454 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: The three? That one of the three I think base 455 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: end boy. 456 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: I wrote about this in my book, and I should 457 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: be able to quote it. Uh no, I basically, uh yeah, 458 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: why are you doing it? And then who does it 459 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: help other than you? What's the other one in the 460 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: middle one? Yeah, the first of all, what are you 461 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: gonna learn? 462 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: What are you gonna learn? Right? 463 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: And then oh my gosh, and and who's it gonna help? 464 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: Who's it gonna help? And then yeah, then who's it 465 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: help other than you? Because a lot of times when 466 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: we selfishly go after a project, it's about us. And 467 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: by the way, this is now Simon Senek stuff, right 468 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: that no one cares what you have until you know, like, well, 469 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: how is it? No one cares what you have until 470 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: they know why you do it? But yeah, I mean 471 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: those three rules were like an opportunity for them to say, 472 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: this is what I want to work on. Why what 473 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: are you going to learn? Why do you want to 474 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: learn that? And who's it going to help other than you? 475 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: Because those kind of lessons also allowed them to see 476 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: that you solving a problem, especially that last one. Who 477 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: does it help other than you? 478 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 2: I remember reading a story about a kid that wanted 479 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: to do day trading. 480 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: Oh, this is one of my favorite stories. Tell it, man, 481 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: you your research goes back aways. This is why. I'm like. 482 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: This was when I was still in the classroom and 483 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: it's been a while. Yes, So one of his projects, 484 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: he said, I want to learn how to day trade 485 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, why and he's like, I want 486 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: to learn how to make money? And uh right, absolutely, 487 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: and then essentially, you know, how are you going to 488 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: do it? I'm going to watch a series of there 489 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: was some YouTubers, and then who does it help other 490 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: than you? 491 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 2: And he couldn't answer no. 492 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: Now, and and so I was like, that was the 493 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: three things for when you wrote your proposal to the 494 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: class and if it didn't pass. 495 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 2: About what you do spend your time? 496 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what I'm going to do for the 497 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: next two weeks and again if you liked it after 498 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: two weeks, you wrote another two week proposal. But on 499 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: number three I said, who's that help with you? He's like, 500 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what trick. I don't I want to 501 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: learn how to make money? Sorry, And I go, well, 502 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm not going to prove it, and he goes, fine, 503 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: I'll So we had basically an all school wide study hall. Yes, 504 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: I will, and he was even snark. He goes, I'll 505 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: do like a lot of like you do a lot 506 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: of times. You probably learned it the week before and 507 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 1: then you t because I, like I wasn't too up 508 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: on a lot of videography at first. But he's like, 509 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: I will, I will learn stuff, and then i'll have 510 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,479 Speaker 1: I'll have a club on how to day trade and 511 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: so then I'll teach it and I'll help other people. 512 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: Got good, I prove it and how to go well, 513 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: shockingly well. And although it's when you're playing with other 514 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: people's theoretical money, like you know, kids do stock marketing game, 515 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: which I love, they should you always do well, but 516 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: uh no, he he He learned quite a bit. And 517 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: the fact that he was passing and obviously the students 518 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: that wanted to show up to that were very similar 519 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: to him. But yeah, it was. It was a great 520 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: test of seeing a problem as an opportunity. And he's like, 521 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: I want to learn how to day trade and we 522 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: don't really do much stock market stuff during school time, 523 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: so I want to do that. Awesome and and and 524 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: just like a lot of times, I'm not going to 525 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: go political, but like, I want people to be successful, 526 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: but I prefer they'd be nice about it. 527 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 2: That's interesting. 528 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 529 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 2: So the idea is we're going to give kids autonomy, 530 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 2: We're going to give kids power, and we're going to 531 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 2: hold them accountable. Yeah, but we're also going to teach 532 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 2: him that without autonomy and power comes a responsibility. Yeah, 533 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 2: and it becomes a thing. 534 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 535 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 2: And then you cross over that mentality with I think 536 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 2: a film class durned the Super Bowl or something, right. 537 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: Oh man. So yeah, one of my I actually did 538 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: a TED talk on this because I just wanted to 539 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: relive that day. So again, this was actually before the 540 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: innovation of open source learning. Class I was teaching English. 541 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: It may have been at the same time, but we 542 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: had decent equipment and so this was the year that 543 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: Indianapolis was hosting the Super Bowl, also the known the 544 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: year that Tom Brady got beat by Eli as we'd 545 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: like to call it, which was. 546 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: One of the greatest days in the history of the 547 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: planet CA. Yeah, such a great, great thing. 548 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: Ever, it really was catch dude, David Tyree insane. 549 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 2: Anyway, go ahead. 550 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 1: This was the first year that you were allowed to 551 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: buy tickets to go into the media day. So we 552 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: think that, like, so we have decent equipment, like this 553 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: is over the shoulder cam and then like the boom mic. Right, 554 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,479 Speaker 1: so we're like, let's go and see if we can 555 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: sneak in. I mean, maybe not the most ethical thing, 556 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: but I'm your students. 557 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: Your students had to have dug you on that. 558 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so I wanted to do ethically. But so 559 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: we we were showing up and we were interviewing anybody 560 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: because absolutely I was in I was in a tie, 561 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: my students were in a tie. Everything was going pretty good, 562 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: and we're interviewing everybody. So we first started off with 563 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,959 Speaker 1: like interviewing like ABC or NBC affiliates that were local 564 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: and when they interview them, like these kids are really nice, 565 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, do you have to take it in? Like 566 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: you have a you have a media pass. They're like 567 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: yeah for us, like okay. And then also we ran 568 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: into Chris Mortenson and some of these guys and' like 569 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: they interviewed him and they're like, your kids are fantastic. 570 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, you get a media pass and they're like, no, 571 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: I'm not going to dive deep into my faith. But 572 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: I fear I feel like this happened the week before. 573 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm watching sixty Minutes and they did an expos on 574 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: Demor Smith. Demore Smith is the Players Association president, probably 575 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: the second most powerful man in the NFL, other than 576 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: Roger Goodell. And I recognize him. No one like people 577 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: don't know who this guy is. But I'm like, three 578 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: nights earlier, I'm seeing this guy on TV and I'm like, 579 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: oh my gosh. And again the student that has the microphone, 580 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: I go, go get that guy, and he goes, who 581 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: is he? I go, he's the Players Association president and 582 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: he's walking through with anybody being recognized, and so he goes, 583 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: what's his name? I go to mar Smith and he 584 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: yells out, hey, mister Smith, we'd like to interview you. 585 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: He doesn't even look back. He just keeps squawks. Sorry today, 586 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: Sorry guys, today is about the players. And I was like, 587 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: oh bummer. And then this kid goes, just like the 588 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: mean Joe Green commercial, Oh no with the coke. 589 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 2: Yes. 590 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: The kid goes, I'm just a kid wanting to interview you. 591 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: And he stopped and he looked back and he saw 592 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: three students and a teacher that was just like this, 593 00:31:54,560 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: and he goes, Okay, okay, we'll be right back. And 594 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: we started interviewing him. And the first thing we had 595 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: to talk about is the weather because as Indianapolis, and 596 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: it was like almost seventy It was bizarre how wonderful 597 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: the weather was in February. And they start talking. This 598 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: is right when Peyton was is he going to be 599 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: a colder? Does he not? So he's having an engaging 600 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: conversation with him. Things go well, we wrap it up 601 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: and I go, thank you so much. I hadn't asked yet. 602 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: And he goes, your kids are fantastic. Congratulations. You must 603 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: be so proud. I said, yeah I am, because well 604 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: I guess I'll see you on the inside. Oh And 605 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: I go, well, that's the thing. We don't have a 606 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: press pass. Reaches his wallet, pulls out his business card, 607 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: jots something down. He goes go to Gate two. He says, 608 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: if they say anything, just call myself number. Twenty minutes later, 609 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: my students are interviewing Eli and some of these other 610 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:05,239 Speaker 1: people among the The day was so incredible, but that 611 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: was kind of where the mantra that we started to say, 612 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: all the time, opportunities are Everywhere's keep your eyes open. 613 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 2: So I'm part of a thing called the Society of 614 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 2: Entrepreneurs in Memphis, which is a really huge honor to 615 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 2: be a part of. And it's a collection of people 616 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 2: who've done three things. One they have either taken what 617 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 2: they were given or started from scratch an organization. Two 618 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 2: they have incurred considerable risk to grow the organization, and 619 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 2: in three they have used the riches of their success 620 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 2: to give back. You can be a juillionaire in this town, 621 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: and there are a bunch of them that have done really, 622 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 2: really well, But if you're not filling tropic in your 623 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 2: time and your endeavors, you will never be part of 624 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 2: the side of entrepreneurs. You can also have been a 625 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 2: guy that or a woman that came into a family 626 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 2: business and mentored it well and ushered it along through 627 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 2: a few generations. But if you didn't risk anything or 628 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 2: grow it. Even if you're filling tropic that's not really entrepreneurship. 629 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 2: That's more stewardship. Right. We also believe inside the organization 630 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 2: that entrepreneurship can be more than just building an organization 631 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 2: that makes money. It could be social entrepreneurship, it could 632 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 2: be filantropic entrepreneurship. But when I hear that story, the 633 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 2: reason I wanted to tell you it wanted you to 634 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 2: tell it because I think it parlays really beautifully into 635 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 2: what you're doing now, which is that was entrepreneurship at 636 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 2: it's best in my opinion. Yeah, I mean, you're taking 637 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 2: something you have very little knowledge of as a kid, 638 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 2: which is a camera, and trying to do it. You're 639 00:34:54,600 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 2: risking being embarrassed or villainized or laughed at, and and 640 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 2: then you're offering up all that you've learned for people 641 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 2: to see and learn from. I mean, it is, but 642 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 2: that also doesn't come without really being creative, some autonomy, yeah, 643 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,479 Speaker 2: and all of the things that And so I guess 644 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 2: what I'm saying is your path as a teacher and 645 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 2: what you did with your students is so interesting because 646 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 2: it is so uncommon and a typical. 647 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 1: Less I explain it to people and they think this 648 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 1: is the most common sense thing in the world. Say 649 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: that again, and why is your what is your class done? 650 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: Innovation and open source learning? What does that mean? The 651 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: kids have an hour and a half to learn the 652 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: things they want to learn school if school time and 653 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: school resources to learn in parentheses the things they want 654 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: to learn. It's the most common sense thing in the world. 655 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 1: Cool can be a destination of the things that you 656 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: Part of school should be things you should learn. Agree absolutely, yes, 657 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: could part of that day be designed on things that 658 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: you want to learn? And then and by the way, 659 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: this is this was the great pivot. I'm glad you 660 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: brought this up because this is exactly society of entrepreneurs. 661 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: The class at first was called Innovation and open Source Learning. 662 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: We're going to get into that open source learning part 663 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: in a little bit. But when they started working on things, 664 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: when they turn it in, they were turning it in 665 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: for an audience of one. That's a lot of work 666 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: to turn into me. So when they were really onto 667 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: something and they were proud of it, you should go 668 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: ahead and release it to the public. That is entrepreneurship, 669 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: whether that is a documentary film or whether that is 670 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: a product, a service, and app whatever it was. It was. 671 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: Then I realized that what we were really teaching was entrepreneurship, 672 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: not innovation. 673 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 2: And back to pink ted talk talking about nineteenth and 674 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 2: twentieth century management versus employee relationships being carried stick that 675 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 2: twenty first century is autonomy and creativity. This is twenty 676 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 2: first century teaching, which would fly in the face of 677 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 2: how anybody by age or maybe ten years younger than me, 678 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 2: and all of everybody older than me, really we're educated. 679 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,760 Speaker 2: It also speaks to the fallacy of the No Child 680 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 2: Left Behind Act, which basically says, go to school, do 681 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 2: your work, get good grades. Everybody's got to go to 682 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 2: college to be successful. That is, while I get the 683 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 2: intent behind that, there's a reason there was a shop 684 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,760 Speaker 2: class at one time, because you can be amazingly successful 685 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 2: as cabinet maker and have it never gone to college. 686 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 2: But if you don't learn the basics of shop in 687 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 2: high school, how do you become a cabinet maker or 688 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 2: a plumber, or an electrician or all these other things 689 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 2: that we are short on in the United States because 690 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 2: we have I mean, one of my biggest complaints is 691 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 2: we force kids into these disciplines and then they get 692 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 2: this narrative that go to college, be successful, and then 693 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 2: they graduate college in four or five years with one 694 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,280 Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars in student loans to be a social worker, 695 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 2: to go make thirty eight thousand dollars year, where you 696 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 2: could have gone to shop class and then an apprinic school, 697 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 2: and by the age of nineteen been making eighteen dollars 698 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,240 Speaker 2: an hours and a prints electrician. And by twenty four, 699 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 2: instead of having a lot of debt making thirty eight 700 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 2: thousand dollars year as a social worker, you can make 701 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars years a master electrician, 702 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 2: which is one of Micro's biggest arguments too, which is 703 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 2: why he and I get along so famously, and you 704 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,919 Speaker 2: evoked him, so I had to evoke him back. But you, 705 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 2: on the other hand, are replacing that idea, that chop 706 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 2: and those kind of things with let's be all autonomous 707 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 2: and creative in the classroom to let kids figure out 708 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 2: before they start down this path what they really want 709 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 2: to be and what they really want to do. 710 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: And that it which which made some parents really mad. 711 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 2: I was, I swear to that's great we're on the 712 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,439 Speaker 2: same wave league. I was about to say, how did 713 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 2: parents take that, and especially the parents that were helicopter 714 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,919 Speaker 2: and the hell out of their kids to get straight ace, 715 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 2: because I imagine it pissed them off because it's not 716 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 2: it becomes oblique. 717 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: So let me say, without a doubt, the vast, vast, fast, 718 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: vast vast majority of the parents loved it. And I 719 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: will say this class attracted the sayings lovingly, the creative weirds, right, 720 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 1: this is This was a class that attracted a different 721 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: kind of student, for sure. But there were a few 722 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: that were mad that dad had figured out that you 723 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: were going to go to school for this. And sometimes 724 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: the student was like, okay, and I'll go along with it, 725 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: and then we had opportunities to do that, and then 726 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: they didn't like that, and then they are going back 727 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: to dad and like, yeah, I'm changing my plans. I'm 728 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: not going to go major in that. And that's sometimes 729 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: racea Meyer about yeah, one of the oh boy, let 730 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: me get myself in trouble. One of the more darker 731 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: moments I had. Oh, I hope she doesn't listened to this. 732 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: There was a student I had It. 733 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 2: Was no name years true. 734 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: True, good good good point. Good point. Wean't even say 735 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: which school. That he was really good in math, and 736 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 1: he was working on a project that was very important 737 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,240 Speaker 1: to him. In my class, he was also very abrupt, 738 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: and so it was abrupt, very abrupt, And so one 739 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,919 Speaker 1: day in class he just raised his hand. He goes, 740 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: could you just give me the test? I'll ace it. 741 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: I don't feel like sitting here listening to you anymore. 742 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: Oh wait, it gets worse, it gets worse. And she goes, 743 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: what and he goes, yeah, I would rather go to 744 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: westress class and work on things that are meaningful. 745 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:33,800 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 746 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:41,240 Speaker 1: And she was mad. So she confronted me and said 747 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: can you believe him? And I said yes, and I 748 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: and and she's so, I mean, I'm trying, I'm I'm 749 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: I'm I really was trying to be nice. But then 750 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: I had to question, and I go, if he said 751 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: that he could ace it right then and there, why 752 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: didn't you just let him take the test? 753 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 2: What's the point put him through the rest of the victual? 754 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: He was so mad, And so this is when I really, 755 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: I really probably could have handled it better. But she 756 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: got mad. She's like, well, you think your class is 757 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 1: so great? And I said I do, and she stormed off, 758 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: and I wanted to kind of debate her a little 759 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: bit of you know, it's like anything, if you were 760 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: told to do something that you were already good at, 761 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 1: why would you want to still do it? Like if 762 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: we had to go and do the driver's test every 763 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: year at the BMB and had to wait two hours 764 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 1: and listen to a lecture on how to drive, like 765 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 1: I know how to drive, we wouldn't appreciate that. 766 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 2: Nope. 767 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: And so this young man was gifted in math, and 768 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: he's like, I just give me the test because I'm 769 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: this project over here is taking time and I'd rather 770 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: spend the time doing that. And I mean, he said it, 771 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,359 Speaker 1: unfortunately in the more abrupt way. I can't control that. 772 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: But when I wouldn't like defend her position, I was like, well, 773 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: why didn't you let him? It? Just I felt bad 774 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: on how that ended, but I still stand behind it. 775 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 2: It speaks to one of my favorite idioms about business, 776 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 2: which is, you know, the last words of any die 777 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 2: in organization, We've always done it that way. And so 778 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 2: if the construct of education is why are we doing 779 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 2: it this way? Is because we've always done it that way. Yeah, 780 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 2: how could we ever inspire creativity and growth among our 781 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 2: kids when we ourselves are not willing to be And 782 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 2: that is one of the reasons why I love the 783 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,799 Speaker 2: story of kind of how you got to where you 784 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 2: are now, because I think you became more and more 785 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 2: creative as a human being as a result of teaching 786 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 2: my students we'll be automis and creative. 787 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 1: My students were introducing me to thought leaders I'd never 788 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: heard of. That's so cool. Like, so I kept getting 789 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: this comparison to a guy named Gary Vee, Gary ve 790 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: Gary ve and and who is that right? And again 791 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,799 Speaker 1: this was like ten plus years ago, so but he 792 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,839 Speaker 1: was still a name, and so I watch it and 793 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, this guy because he was 794 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,799 Speaker 1: very opinionated about education. And so it started with Dan 795 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, like, hey, have you 796 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: read anything from Seth godin No? Oh, oh, I I've 797 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 1: quoted Seth godin so many times I and my and 798 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,879 Speaker 1: my host is going lace as I've heard you say 799 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: this on a lot of occasions. But his quote I 800 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: think is from and I'm going to paraphrase it. I 801 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: think it's from Lynchpin. Education gonna be boiled down to 802 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: two things, solving interesting problems and leadership to get it done. 803 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: So all those things amalgamated to be wanting to do 804 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: this of like, what is an interesting problem? If you're 805 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 1: solving for X, and that's all it is is X, 806 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: that may not be a interesting to some kids. Some 807 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: kids this ability to create a class or a niche 808 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,440 Speaker 1: of time to say what do you want to do? 809 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 1: What do you want to learn? Or as we always say, 810 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, see a problem as an opportunity. Now, the 811 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: current generation, students and adults included, do a great job 812 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 1: of pointing out what sucks. It's called social media. But 813 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 1: changing your profile picture doesn't mean it's like, it doesn't 814 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,360 Speaker 1: mean anything like, oh I I I changed my profile picture. 815 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,399 Speaker 1: So I stand with it. No you didn't, you changed 816 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,600 Speaker 1: profile picture. No you change your profile picture. You don't 817 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 1: do any right, And it's cool. Everything starts with awareness. 818 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not like disrespecting people's ability to 819 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: point out what needs changing. But when we had students 820 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 1: go all right, then what do you want to do? 821 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 1: And that's that was the that was really the pivot 822 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,800 Speaker 1: of the Innovation and open Source Learning. 823 00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 2: Class in a microcosm. That's some up our whole point 824 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 2: in doing this podcast, which is anybody can point out 825 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 2: there's poverty and problems in the judicial system, and problems 826 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 2: in foster care and problems in all these pros, what 827 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,839 Speaker 2: are you going to do about it? And standing there talking. 828 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 1: About it yet. 829 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,319 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean anything. And I would even argue that 830 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,160 Speaker 2: if you see the problem and remain in active, you. 831 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: Are part of it. 832 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,240 Speaker 2: And that concludes Part one of my conversation with Don Watrick, 833 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 2: and you do not want to miss Part two that's 834 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 2: now available to listen to. Together, guys, we can change 835 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,840 Speaker 2: this country, but it starts with you. I'll see you 836 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 2: in Part two.