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Speaker 1: Call It what It Is with Jessica Kepshaw and Camil Leddington,

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Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hey call It crew, and welcome to an episode of

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Speaker 2: Call It Short and Sweet. As someone who suffers from

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Speaker 2: really bad health anxiety, I, along with so many people,

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Speaker 2: read a headline that scared the out of me. To

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Speaker 2: be honest and go ahead and read what just came out. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So we have this headline that reads tampons contain lead,

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Speaker 2: arsenic and other toxic metals. Study fines what we know

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Speaker 2: and don't know about the findings that got us a

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Speaker 2: little fired up? It did, and before I literally throw

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Speaker 2: all my tampons into a fire m hm, we wanted

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Speaker 2: to bring on expert topical directors.

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Speaker 3: You talk chick fire.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we wanted to bring on real doctors that could

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Speaker 2: talk to us about the findings so that we can

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Speaker 2: get all more information for us and for our listeners.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for the crew, because my guess is that people

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Speaker 1: with periods would like to know what they're putting in

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Speaker 1: their body and how it might affect your body. Today,

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Speaker 1: we are very grateful that doctor Jenny Shearston is joining

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Speaker 1: us as.

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Speaker 2: Well as doctor Jennifer Ashton.

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Speaker 3: We are so happy to have you with us. Doctor Sharston,

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Speaker 3: thanks so much. It's nice to talk with you.

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Speaker 1: There's so much to say here. We thought a good

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Speaker 1: starting off point, since you are so fluent in the material,

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Speaker 1: would be for you to just say a bit about

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Speaker 1: your findings and then maybe use that as a starting point.

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Speaker 4: We've investigated a variety of different tampons. We measured the

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Speaker 4: concentrations of sixteen different metals in tampons from sixteen different brands,

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Speaker 4: from fourteen different brands, excuse me, and we found concentrations

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Speaker 4: of twelve of those sixteen medals in one hundred percent

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Speaker 4: of the tampons we tested. And so one of those

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Speaker 4: was lead, and I think that one was probably the

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Speaker 4: most concerning that we found. But I would like to

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Speaker 4: emphasize we've only found the presence of the metals inside

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Speaker 4: the tampons themselves. Our study doesn't show if those metals

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Speaker 4: can come out of the tampons or if they can

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Speaker 4: be absorbed by the body.

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Speaker 1: And that was one hundred percent of all or that

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Speaker 1: was inorganic and organic tampons, correct. So I found that

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Speaker 1: shocking because you really do sort of think that you're

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Speaker 1: doing something good by finding the unbleached organic tampons and

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Speaker 1: probably paying an up charge, and they actually still contain

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Speaker 1: the metals.

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Speaker 4: Right, So we found differences by organic and non organic products.

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Speaker 4: So for the organic tampons, they tended to have higher

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Speaker 4: concentrations of arsenic. For the non organic products, those tended

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Speaker 4: to have higher concentrations for blood. So we did see

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Speaker 4: variation by organic versus non organic for metals. But I

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Speaker 4: also will say that metals are one kind of class

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Speaker 4: of chemicals, right. There are lots of other kinds of

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Speaker 4: chemicals that could be present, including some of the ones

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Speaker 4: that you just mentioned. So I think when you're making

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Speaker 4: a decision about the kind of product that you might purchase,

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Speaker 4: you need to weigh multiple things.

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Speaker 2: I think for listeners hearing this, my initial reaction is,

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Speaker 2: how does something like this? Well, first, are you the

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Speaker 2: first person to ever test tampons in this way?

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, this is the first study to ever test

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Speaker 4: tampons for metals. So there are studies that have looked

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Speaker 4: at other kinds of chemicals in tampons.

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Speaker 2: And then there are no regulations on tampons than having

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Speaker 2: containing certain things like this. There's nothing in our government

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Speaker 4: Tampons are regulated as a medical device by the Food

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Speaker 4: and Drug Administration, but to my knowledge, there's not a

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Speaker 1: For example, what made you interested in this was? What

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Speaker 1: was the light bulb moment? Or was it was it

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Speaker 1: just given to you as as a job? Was it

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Speaker 1: an interest? How did you come to it?

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Speaker 4: For me, it's both personal and professional. It's personal because

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Speaker 4: I have a period because I use tampons, and so

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Speaker 4: I wanted to know for myself. But it's also professional

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Speaker 4: and that we do a lot of research on metals

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Speaker 4: in the environment. We know already that cotton, which is

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Speaker 4: kind of accumulate metals from the soil, and so this

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Speaker 4: seemed like a natural question to ask.

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Speaker 1: So it's definitely frustrating to hear that your study found

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Speaker 1: the materials that certainly don't sound good to be in

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Speaker 1: your body. And even with that study it being published,

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Speaker 1: there isn't an immediate next step for figuring out how

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Speaker 2: Or is there is there is there a next step

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Speaker 2: that's happening immediately, absolutely, And what.

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Speaker 4: Is that for sure. So the next step is to

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Speaker 4: in kind of a normal where type situation. And actually

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Speaker 4: our lab that it's led by doctor Catherine Schilling at

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Speaker 4: prioritized that research. We're working on answering that question, can

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Speaker 4: these medals come out of the lab? So that's that's

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Speaker 4: the next question, and absolutely.

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Speaker 1: We're already on it, knowing what you know and knowing

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Speaker 1: that we're still waiting on more information. Do you feel

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Speaker 4: I do still use tampons on occasion, because I think

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Speaker 4: it's too soon again to say whether you shouldn't be

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Speaker 4: using them. That's just not where we're at yet. But

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Speaker 4: I'm certainly thinking about it. I'm certainly asking where those

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Speaker 4: ingredients are coming from. I'd love to see more lee

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Speaker 4: for example, what ingredients are being used in tampons? What

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Speaker 2: Added now I'm wondering listening to this, well, what's in

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Speaker 2: a pad, what's in the cup? Have those been tested

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Speaker 3: If they have not.

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Speaker 4: Been I would say The ones that I think should

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Speaker 4: be prioritized are products that are used inside the vagina

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Speaker 4: because they're in direct contact with the vagina. The vagina

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Speaker 4: large surface area, so I think those should be prioritized.

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Speaker 3: This is amazing. I'm so happy to hear all this.

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Speaker 1: It's one step further into understanding things that I think

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Speaker 1: we all just sort of.

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Speaker 3: Inherit.

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Speaker 1: You know, you just start using tampons, you start using this,

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad that you're doing this work.

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Speaker 1: And I think that we also just need to really

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Speaker 1: keep track of it all. And also I think we're

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Speaker 1: how we can, as women or people who get periods,

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Speaker 1: putting pressure on the forces in power that can further

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Speaker 2: I have one last question before you go. You said

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Speaker 2: to the brands or that you tested. Is that correct.

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Speaker 2: We don't know what brands. The public do not know

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Speaker 2: what brands were tested.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: We tested fourteen different brands, eighteen different product lines, and

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Speaker 4: then I'm not able to disclose the specific brand that

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Speaker 4: we tested. Okay, we were finding metals really in all

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Speaker 4: of those and for twelve of these sixteen medals, we

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Speaker 4: found them in one hundred percent of the tampons we tested.

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Speaker 4: This might be a more systematic issue, kind of a

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Speaker 4: brand specific issue, an issue with this by chain or

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Speaker 3: Right right, yeah, all right, okay, all right, We're gonna

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Speaker 3: keep tabs on this.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we would love to have you back on whenever

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Speaker 2: more more results come out, and you know, hopefully sooner

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Speaker 2: rather than later, so that we can all keep informed

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, thank you, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, absolutely appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on course.

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Speaker 5: Hi ladies, how are you so well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: I have to say I looked at your beautiful face

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Speaker 1: on our little review sheets and then your name, and

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Speaker 1: I was like.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Jennifer Aniston is coming. I looked quick.

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Speaker 4: I looked really quick.

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Speaker 3: I tabs.

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Speaker 5: Wait.

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Speaker 6: One time I was literally when I was a resident,

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Speaker 6: I was paged overhead in the hospital in New York City.

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Speaker 6: Doctor Jennifer Aniston's stat to the emergency room, and I

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Speaker 6: ran down there and I was like, Okay, first of all,

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Speaker 6: a scrubs. If I would hurt Aniston, I would be

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Speaker 6: looking hell of a lot better than this.

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Speaker 3: Ah.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, I'm not new here, so get

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Speaker 5: my nick. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then they got really confused because they were like, Rachel,

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Speaker 1: what right.

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Speaker 2: So we really wanted to do an episode with you

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Speaker 2: because obviously this came out, this information came out, and

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Speaker 2: it sounds terrifying, right, the words arsenic. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot for our listeners to take in. Yes, it

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Speaker 2: sounds really, really intense. So we want you. We were

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Speaker 2: hoping that you could shed some light on what this

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Speaker 2: steady kind of revealed for us and whether we should

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Speaker 2: be all in panic mode, whether we should be wearing pads,

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Speaker 2: what is the alternative?

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Speaker 3: What's in pads? Are we sounding the alarm? What's going on?

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Speaker 5: Let me take you through it. You heard about the study.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and basically it was I applaud the idea the

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Speaker 6: concept behind this study. By the way, it was done

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Speaker 6: at my alma mater, Columbia University, and they looked at

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Speaker 6: fourteen diverse types of tampons, organic, non organic brand name,

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Speaker 6: you know, kind of generics or internationally made, domestically made,

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Speaker 5: They kind of divided it all out.

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Speaker 6: They didn't name them, of course, but again they looked

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Speaker 6: at a diverse, you know, kind of section, and they

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Speaker 6: looked for sixteen heavy metals all right, which, by the way,

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Speaker 6: are ubiquitous in our environment. They're all over the place. Yes,

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Speaker 6: of course, they're produced when in the manufacturing process, in

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Speaker 6: natural fibers like cotton or synthetic fibers. They're just everywhere, right,

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Speaker 6: But who would have thought that they're in our tampons?

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Speaker 6: This study found every single heavy metal was present in

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Speaker 6: all of the tampons tested. One of them had all

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Speaker 6: sixteen present, sixteen types of heavy metals, including ones where

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Speaker 6: there is no quote unquote safe amount of exposure like lead.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 6: So this is obviously concerning because the average person who

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Speaker 6: menstruates uses seventeen thousand tampons over their reproductive life span. Right,

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Speaker 6: So you know, on one end, more research is obviously needed.

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Speaker 5: That's the bottom line.

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Speaker 6: And I know that's not really satisfying for women nor

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Speaker 6: should it be really because it's like, Okay, you drop

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Speaker 6: this bomb, now what are we going to actually do

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Speaker 6: with it? I will tell you that the really important

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Speaker 6: way to think about this in my medical opinion, and

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Speaker 6: I always always say this. I say this on the air,

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Speaker 6: I say this in my magazines, I say this on

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Speaker 6: my social media platforms when I have a podcast soon

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Speaker 6: and join you in the potto sphere congratulating.

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Speaker 2: Yes we can't wait, congratulations to the water's warm, come

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 6: But you know, I'm always more concerned with teaching people

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Speaker 6: So that's an example, right, the sunlight known carcinogen, but

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Speaker 6: So is it the case with something like heavy metals

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Speaker 6: To calm all of us down. You take the number

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Speaker 6: saying could it contribute? Of course it's possible to contribute.

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Speaker 6: I don't think anyone would say, yeah, put some heavy

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Speaker 5: But we don't know whether the amounts and how much

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Speaker 5: So you have to say, this is, you know, a

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Speaker 1: Everything you're saying makes perfect sense. And I my husband

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Speaker 1: These things are the creature comforts that we've sort of

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Speaker 1: But really, just go at it, like I don't really

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Speaker 3: In your camp into my vagina. Yeah, I just how

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Speaker 3: about we just make one with that? It's not a possibility.

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Speaker 6: So first of all, it may not in fact be

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Speaker 6: I'm not an expert in industrial manufacturing, you know, from

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Speaker 5: It maybe not?

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Speaker 6: Actually, yeah, sad as that is right, not that it

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Speaker 2: I do have a couple of questions, why is it

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Speaker 5: That's the multi billion dollar question.

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Speaker 6: I mean, and by the way, whether you're talking about

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Speaker 6: You know, that's incredibly important. I literally remember when the microplastics.

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Speaker 5: Quality is where I live.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, it's very easy to get overwhelmed and say

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Speaker 5: And it's a big problem.

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Speaker 2: What should the public be doing in the immediate do

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Speaker 6: We don't know if cotex pads. By the way, there's

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Speaker 6: But I, as a board certified gynecologist, was never a

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Speaker 6: Either using it, anything that sits there, you know, because

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Speaker 6: As much as there might be a risk with tampons,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's super it's super frustrating.

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Speaker 1: What is the lowest, lowest risk, Like, would it be

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Speaker 1: the PFA free underwear.

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Speaker 3: That are like if you wanted to go that we don't.

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Speaker 6: Well, if again, there's a couple of things, So when

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Speaker 6: And then what are the options or alternatives? Right, so

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Speaker 6: we don't the risk of this heavy metal is a

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Speaker 6: and dyes being put on the cotton that are on

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Speaker 6: the tampons I used right.

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Speaker 1: Like same, same, same same girl, same I did the

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Speaker 1: same thing. And that's why I was actually very surprised

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Speaker 1: to see that the metals were found in the organic

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Speaker 1: tampons as well.

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Speaker 3: For somebody, I felt like that upgrade was saving me.

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Speaker 5: Right, but at least they don't have chlorine and bleach.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, die right, So you know, you could do

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Speaker 6: something like that, or you could say, look, but they're

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Speaker 6: more expensive.

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Speaker 5: They're more expensive.

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Speaker 6: And also remember what I said about the principal in

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Speaker 6: pharmacology of a top right, you need dose, you need frequency,

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Speaker 6: you need a high potency toxin. So maybe you say, Okay,

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Speaker 6: I'm going to try to go for frequency. I'm going

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Speaker 6: to try to lower my frequency. Instead of using seventeen

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Speaker 6: thousand tampons over my lifetime, maybe I'm going to try

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Speaker 6: to cut that in half. Or maybe I'm not going

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Speaker 6: to use a tampon on the last two days of

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Speaker 6: my period. I'm only going to use on the first

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Speaker 6: two days. So that will reduce someone's frequency. And that's

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Speaker 6: a proactive, easy thing to do. It's not people do

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Speaker 6: that with alcohol all the time. They go, all right,

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Speaker 6: I get it's a carcinogen. I'm not prepared to remove

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Speaker 6: it totally from my lifestyle, but I'm going to cut

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Speaker 6: it down dramatically that that moves the needle.

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Speaker 5: That's something that we can all.

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Speaker 1: I like the way you think so much, so our

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Speaker 1: tampons are not trying to kill us there.

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Speaker 3: Well, we don't know your world is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's going to take some time, but I

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Speaker 2: do think that before you go, we have to say

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Speaker 2: that because you are so incredible.

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Speaker 3: This is what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: You have a free science backed newsletter that people can

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Speaker 2: find right at join agenda dot com.

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Speaker 3: I want to hear you talk about everything.

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Speaker 2: And thank you. I'm I hopefully you do talk about

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Speaker 2: everything on there so that people listening who have more

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Speaker 2: questions and as we find out more information, they can

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Speaker 2: go there and get it. And will you please come

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Speaker 2: back on will you please make your super tampon? Thank you,

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Speaker 2: We will buy it, we will invest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: Like an a d JA and people will think it's

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Speaker 1: asked doctor Jennifer Aniston, but it will be to ask.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 6: First of all, thank you for your invitation. I would

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Speaker 6: love to thank you for mentioning it's agenda like j

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, agen uh, I'm picking up with your

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Speaker 1: button down.

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Speaker 6: Join agenda dot com and I launched it just four

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Speaker 6: months ago. It's free every week and it's the areas

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Speaker 6: in a women's women's lives that I happen to be

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Speaker 6: board certified in, so obesity, medicine, nutrition and OBGYN. And

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Speaker 6: it's been really fun and people are loving it, so

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Speaker 6: love it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I live with someone who knows so much

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Speaker 1: and he sort of has always been on the forefront

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Speaker 1: of bringing home the information. I always say again because

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Speaker 1: like I said, changing your lifestyle is annoying, and yet

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Speaker 1: obviously I'm not going to say no when the science

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Speaker 1: is there.

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Speaker 3: So it's a very delicate balance.

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Speaker 1: It's the push pull and what I've found in the past,

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Speaker 1: you know, decades, as so much has changed, is it

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Speaker 1: really really helps to have someone give you their attention

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Speaker 1: and their expertise and talk about how to rationally sift

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Speaker 1: through the information. Because again, we live in a very

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Speaker 1: you know, headline driven culture where it's like it comes

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Speaker 1: out and you're like boom, and it's very easy to

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Speaker 1: get super under all of it and think in a

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Speaker 1: very directional way. And so I'm I'm grateful that you

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Speaker 1: have something where you can find, you know, get the

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Speaker 1: more information.

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Speaker 3: And like I said it, like the way you say it.

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Speaker 2: After listening, I'm still a little you know, obviously, I'm uneasy.

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Speaker 2: I'm not ready to throw my tampons in the fire

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Speaker 2: just yet. I am ready to buy super tampons.

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Speaker 3: I know that was fascinating. I want I want to

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Speaker 3: know more about that.

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Speaker 1: I did really love the approach of finding a way

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Speaker 1: of thinking about it that works for you, that feels

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Speaker 1: like a critical thinker, like really looking at the information.

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Speaker 1: And I really loved uh doctor Ashton's idea of maybe

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Speaker 1: you're minimizing your use right like in this period of

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Speaker 1: not really knowing what those metals inside those tampons are

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Speaker 1: doing inside of our body, because that's the part they

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Speaker 1: don't know how it's affecting us. Maybe just for the

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Speaker 1: present time during this a knowing we I think I

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Speaker 1: might be using them a little bit less, or figuring

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Speaker 1: out ways to minimize on some level, or doing a

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Speaker 1: little more research.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and waiting for the research to come out, which

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Speaker 2: hopefully comes out sooner rather than later, let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also I think, I mean, let's senk for

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Speaker 1: the Call It crew. We're doing it right now, for sure.

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Speaker 1: But the more that you are having these conversations outside

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Speaker 1: of this podcast, the more you're talking to your friends

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Speaker 1: and your loved ones. And that's not just you know,

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Speaker 1: people with periods, that's everyone about how important women's health

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Speaker 1: is and prioritizing it and making sure that it's funded,

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Speaker 1: and making sure that you're asking the right questions and

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Speaker 1: that you're standing up for yourself and for others. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is an incredibly, incredibly important topic, and as we know,

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Speaker 1: historically it hasn't gotten the attention that I think that

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Speaker 1: it deserves. So I'm really happy that we had this

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Speaker 1: time with those doctors exactly for sure.

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Speaker 2: And I will be going to join Agenda dot com

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Speaker 2: for information and of course, guys, ask your obi if

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Speaker 2: you have questions about these things, I will ask and

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Speaker 2: go Sero B and go serio. All right, let's call

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Speaker 2: it short and sweet, Short and sweet.

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