WEBVTT - An Interesting, Vastly Incomplete Look at Baseball Cards 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:04.960 Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:15.200 Steve Rich and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.400 there's Chuck and it's just us today because we left 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:20.599 Jerry back in Vegas and one of us has to 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.079 go get her and we haven't cost a coin yet 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.880 to see who's who that's going to be. I'm not 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.720 going back to Vegas. I'm not either. The smoky casinos 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:35.680 destroyed my already weary, allergy ridden throat. Yeah, it wasn't 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:37.760 pleasant for my throat either. But we should probably tell 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.559 everybody why we were inhaling secondhand cigarette smoke in Las 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:44.360 Vegas recently and why Jerry is still there. Go ahead, well, 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.640 it's because we were honored this year by the Podcast 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:55.040 Academies ambi's basically the Oscars of podcasting with the Governor's Award, 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.000 which basically says, hey, you've been at this for a 0:00:58.000 --> 0:00:59.959 while and we think you're doing a pretty good job, 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:02.960 and why don't you think about hanging it up? And 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:05.200 here's an award on the way out the door, right 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:07.399 And we were like, but we're a big career and 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:09.600 they're like, nope, too late, you got the award. You've 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:12.000 accepted it. You have to stop now. Yeah, it was 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:15.560 really cool. It's kind of a lifetime achievement. And we've 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:17.640 gotten a Webby or two here and there and some 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.039 other things that you know, it's always nice to get 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:23.720 those things, but this felt like a genuine honor and 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.399 like the one that we should go pick up in person. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:30.759 And we had a great time and a epic dinner 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:34.800 celebration dinner afterward with Jerry and her friend and and 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:37.800 my friend and Nathan who does our marketing, and it 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.880 was just a really great celebration. It really was. It 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.080 was a wonderful experience. So thanks a lot Podcast Academy 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.640 because that was really cool. So it's really neat. Yeah, 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:50.600 and got heffed? Did you pick They didn't give us 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:52.760 one on stage because they're mailing them. But did you 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:56.920 pick that thing up in the green room? No? Did you? Yeah? Dude, 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.080 it's it's heffed. It's got heffed. I mean it looks 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:03.200 like it. It's like a genuine bona fide statuette. Yeah. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.000 All my other statues you can blow on them and 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:09.000 they tip over. You're like, oh it's hollow. Yeah, this 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.960 one's got halfed. That's awesome. Yeah, thank you again to 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.560 the Podcast Academy, and honestly, thank you to everybody who's 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:18.160 ever recognized us with an award. That's really meaningful every time. 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:21.080 So thanks, Yeah, buddy, Well, and we said this you 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.440 know on stage. In fact, you buttoned it up nicely. 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:25.880 But you know, the listeners or the reason we have 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.280 this career in this job that we've been doing for 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.960 so long. And I know it sounds trite, but like 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.679 we wouldn't have gotten this award or even be doing 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:35.840 this job if we didn't have the amazing support over 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.440 the years from you guys. Absolutely means a lot. So 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.960 we should probably get going on baseball cards, right, Yeah, 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.960 another quick CoA for baseball cards. We have learned over 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.840 the years the hard way that when you do a 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:55.560 topic that is it's just like yeah, it's not like oh, 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.359 ballpoint pins or this or that. When some people are 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:02.760 very passionate about this thing, that we can get ourselves 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.400 into trouble because we get little things wrong here and 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:10.079 there that they think are major things. So we respect 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.480 the baseball card community and just want to not apologize 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.160 in advance, but just say that you know, we don't 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:20.080 know nearly as much about this as you do, so 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.840 so be kind. I think it's well put. I'm just 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.280 going to come out and admit right now, I cannot 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.480 find the difference between a bonus card, an insert and 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:32.040 a subset card. Okay, they may be all the same thing, 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:35.520 but I am terrified that there's a slight difference and 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:37.960 that we're going to get chewed up for it. Well, 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:39.680 I didn't even know that we were going to be 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.720 comparing those three things. So I'm in big trouble. Did 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.280 you collect baseball cards as a youth? Here's my deal 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:51.800 is I have somewhere a box of probably I don't 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:55.240 even want to hazard a guess, maybe five hundred, two hundred, 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.880 let's say two hundred cards of different kinds. Have some 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:02.200 old Star Wars card So I've got a few football cards. Yeah, 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:06.200 I have some baseball cards, but I was never a collector. 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.640 I would just get them as any kid who wasn't like, 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.000 oh I need to start collecting something gets them, which 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.880 is like, oh, sure they're in the stocking, or might 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:19.159 buy one here or there. But to answer your question, no, 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.200 I was never like a collector of baseball cards or 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.760 any card. That Star Wars card thing. Sounds familiar. I 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.640 think you talked about did you discover your collection again 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:32.839 recently in the last couple of years or something? Not 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.720 recently recently, but I could see we've been doing this 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:39.640 a long time, my friend. Yeah, recently, meaning like since 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:44.560 two thousand and eight. Yeah, we've been doing how long 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.839 have we been doing this show Governor's Award? Long? Is 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:50.920 what I'm just gonna say from now on. So okay, 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.080 So I actually was a collector. I was a kid 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:57.719 collector in that like every month I could not wait 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.120 for the new back Price Guide to come out. That 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.560 to me was like the Bible. Wow. Um, I had 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.479 friends that would like steal cards from me, like a 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:10.080 real collector at like age eleven twelve? Right now, Why 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:14.039 because you weren't that into baseball, were you? No? No, No, 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:19.120 I wasn't. There's something different. You don't have to be 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.960 into baseball to really be into baseball cards. It's a 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:26.520 really weird thing. Like it's impossible not to know a 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:30.039 lot more about baseball than you otherwise would if you 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:34.039 weren't collecting baseball cards, but means, well, no thing about it. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:35.719 So like if you weren't, if you were, if you 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.839 were just into flying kites. Okay, you'd probably know almost 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.760 nothing about baseball if you weren't into baseball. But you 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.720 can collect baseball cards and you're gonna know a lot 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.560 more about baseball and baseball players, and you would if 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:51.480 you were just into kites. But that doesn't mean you're 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.400 actually you want to sit down and watch a baseball 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.320 game given time. Yeah, yeah, I get you. Baseball cards 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.320 are like that. It's really weird. I think that the 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.960 majority of people who collect baseball cards are into baseball, 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:07.160 but it's not requisite. Yeah. When I went through mine 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.680 recently out because I guess it was semi recently, because 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:10.760 I was like, I wonder if you know I have 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:15.080 some gem in here worth twenty grand and I didn't. 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:19.080 I think the best card I had was a Wade 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:23.000 Bogs rookie not wasn't a rookie, but it was like 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:26.720 a first year card. But that's a no. No No, no, 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.039 a first year like in the big league's card, not 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.719 like their rookie Minor league card or whatever. No, it 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:34.800 was the first year in the Big zis the rookie card. 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.280 It wasn't worth anything, Let's put it that way. So 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.320 you're like, please, don't want to end this conversation. Yeah, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.560 because I looked it up and I think I sent 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.080 it to my friend who's a Red Sox fan. I 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:45.479 was like, here you go, you can have this. Oh 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:49.200 that was kind of you. Yeah. I discovered my old collection. 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:53.040 I had several hundred, and they were just loose. Any 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.080 good ones I started to go through. I was like, 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:56.920 I don't feel like doing this, so I just donated, 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.720 well because I knew that they there weren't any like 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:05.640 amazingly ridiculously valuable ones, in part because when I was 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:09.239 collecting it was smack dab in the middle of what's 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.640 called the junk era of baseball cards. Yeah, because the 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:15.320 market was so flooded. We'll talk all about it. But 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:19.080 to me, Chuck, just researching this and going back and 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.840 seeing like the design of some of those cards, like 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.760 seeing how Don Mattingly is like like just in the 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.320 midst of like tossing his bat to run to first base, 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.360 and like in nineteen eighty eight tops card, Like just 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.000 seeing these things. It's just these neural pathways that haven't 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.360 been like stimulated in decades are going off, and I'm 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:43.720 just like in nostalgia Heaven looking at all this stuff. 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.960 Because I forgot school. Well all of it looked like. 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.600 So it's been kind of a nice little journey down 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.960 the yellow brick road. But I want to circle back 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.680 to our CoA and say that doesn't mean that I 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:58.000 remember like all the ins and outs either. Yeah, I'm 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:00.520 no expert. I just was a big time fan back 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.400 in the day. That's cool. That surprises me too, but 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.920 I love it. Another little Josh factoid to stick in 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.920 my hip pocket. We need a little jingle for that, 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:12.600 like we have for Colon. So we're going to kind 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.400 of breeze through the earliest days of baseball card trading. 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.800 So we're not in here for two hours. But the earliest, 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:23.640 earliest sort of ancestors of baseball cards were trade cards 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.920 that you know today you might see a business that 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.560 hands out a calendar with like the local sports team 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.000 or something, or refrigerator magnet or something. These are kind 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.200 of what trade cards were. They were business cards and 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.040 they said, hey, why don't we just stick something interesting 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.640 on here so people will keep it. And sometimes that 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:47.840 became a baseball player or a baseball team. And these 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.240 cards weren't. I mean, I guess there may be a 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:54.600 market for them in some circles. But it's not like 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.720 this is considered like a tradeable baseball card today. I 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:03.520 don't think, right, No, I think that there's probably there's 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.800 collectors out there who collect that in the same way 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.760 there's people out there who collect like old timey potato 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.560 chip tunes, you know what I mean. It's like super antique, 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.280 and I think it's probably a niche market in the 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:19.320 baseball card market, you know what I mean, Yes, but 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.240 they are. It's questionable whether you can be like, this 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.000 is a baseball card, and there are a lot of 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:28.040 people kind of putting baseball teams and baseball players on 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.559 things at around the same time. So there's a lot 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:36.000 of different competing first baseball card ever, but the one 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:41.120 that usually gets pointed to is an eighteen sixty nine 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:46.080 Cincinnati Red Stockings card by Peck and Snyder, who were 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:50.040 and apparently still are a sporting goods manufacturer who took 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:54.920 a team photo super Victorian. There's like heavy curtains on 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.520 the edges of the photo and everything super Cepia, I mean, 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.520 just Cepia to the max. And then on the back 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:04.000 there's like a drawing in an advertisement for Peck and 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:09.080 Snyder's location on Nassau Street in New York, and a 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:10.959 lot of people are like, this is this is really it? 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:15.040 This is the genuine progenitor of the baseball card. Yeah, 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.480 and that one, I believe, and Ed helped us out 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.200 with this one he found that was valued at a 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:24.920 couple hundred grand. Certainly no slouch card wise, right if 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.760 you happen to have this one. In the eighteen eighties 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.760 is when things really kind of started taking shape, and 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:35.400 that's when tobacco got involved. There was a farmer named 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:39.400 James Buchanan Duke who started putting just cardboard cards and 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.319 cigarette packs to keep them from getting you know, bin 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.960 up and stuff when you sit on them. And they 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.280 started printing pictures of things on those cards to make 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.320 them interesting. And sometimes it might be a movie star 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:56.200 and sometimes it might be a sports star. And I 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.280 believe in eighteen eighty six is when the old Judge 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:04.640 cigarette company started including baseball players. And this is also 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:08.280 looked at as a kind of a milestone for a 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.720 couple of reasons. One was because you got a random 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:13.319 card that you didn't know you were going to get. 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.040 It's not like it was a cigarette pack for you know, 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.160 I know it was I can't name a baseball player 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.600 from Beckton, so I'm not even gonna try. It was random, 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:27.000 just like kids like you later on would buy packs 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:28.640 of cards, like not knowing who you're going to get, 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:31.400 and the other thing it was called a premium, which 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.960 is basically like this is just an extra thing and 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:37.959 something you were already buying, right, although I will argue 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.480 that the gum part was not White kids were buying 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:44.280 baseball cards, right. That gum was not good. No, it wasn't. 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.120 But that's how baseball cards later on would kind of 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.760 get their their restart well as we'll see, but that 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.000 I mean. But so that's kind of how it went 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.200 for about a century. Like they were random and then 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.960 they were extras to what you were buying. An old judge. Actually, 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.280 like you said, I think it was eighteen eighty six 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.720 that they were released their first That set, it's called 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:08.000 the N one sixty seven set is considered the first 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:12.360 official set of baseball cards. Pretty cool. Yeah, so you 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:16.520 can thank cigarette manufacturers for introducing baseball cards to the world. 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.079 But the thing is, it's not like it was like, okay, 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.839 it it just started from there and it just kept 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:25.640 going and developing. That's not the case, because baseball wasn't 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.679 the only thing that you would find on these cards 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:32.160 and cigarette packs. Eventually, because they were a premium, they 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.280 were like, well, here, we want you to have something 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.959 that you actually want. So here's a movie star who 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:41.120 you've never heard speak out loud. Here is a bird, 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.240 Here is a train. You don't know what train is, Well, 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.920 buckle up because you're going to within the next few years. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.400 It wasn't just baseball players, and it wasn't just baseball 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:56.040 card collecting. That kind of it didn't develop immediately, I guess, 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.080 is what I'm trying to say. There were other like 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.520 detours and side tracks and stuff like that. Yeah, and 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.200 they you know, these early ones kind of look like 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.520 you would think they were black and white. Sometimes they 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:10.520 had a cepia tone. Color. Photography wasn't really a big thing, 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:14.040 at least a widespread thing at this point, and so 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:18.360 these cards didn't last long. They faded out in sunlight 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.600 and just basically being you know, on planet Earth. They 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.920 would degrade because they weren't very high quality, and a 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.520 lot of times they weren't even prints. They were actual 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:32.120 like photographs that were glued to cardboard. So it's it's 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:35.920 kind of a quaint early days of baseball card kind 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.760 of thing. The Library of Congress. If you ask them, 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.679 they will say that the first baseball card was a 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:46.040 printed photograph of a baseball team that was a souvenir handout. 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.240 And I'm not one to usually quibble with a Library 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.400 of Congress, but I'm not sure I would count that 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.440 as the first baseball card. Some people do, some people don't. 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.240 I think the one from Um Snyder or Peck and 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.760 Snyder's typically the one that, as collectors think of as 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.080 the first one. I'm sure we'll hear from people for sure. 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:09.440 You so yeah, oh, I know, so Um. There are 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:13.560 a lot of different um eras in baseball card collecting, 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:17.960 and they're not they don't necessarily follow chronological order. Weirdly, 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:22.400 they more are referred to by where the cards came from. 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:23.720 And like I was saying, there are a lot of 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:28.720 blind alleys and sidetracks and just weird, weird evolutions of 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.840 baseball cards. And one of the ways that's evident is 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.440 that in the late nineteenth century and early twentieth century, 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.440 there were a lot of different random places that you 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:43.080 would get a baseball card. It wasn't standardized yet, so 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.680 you might get one from the magazine that you subscribe to, 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.000 or from your cigarette pack, or you bought like a 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.080 box of biscuits and a baseball baseball card fell out. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:58.280 So I think I think people who collect those kind 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:02.000 of cards are okay with things not being particularly standardized 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.920 and kind of hurly burly instead, because that's how baseball 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.360 cards were kind of kind of like a train just 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.280 is kind of like chug, good chug, chug chug, with 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.520 each like additional chug. A bunch of new baseball cards 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:19.120 spat out in different, weird, random places from non existence, 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.320 a lot of train refs so far today, Well, there's 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.680 a lot of train stuff going on at the same time. 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.640 Sure it's of the era. Should we take a break? 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:31.040 Oh yeah, all right, I'm gonna go study trains, I guess, 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.240 so I can keep up and we'll be right back, 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.800 all right. So, if you're looking at a modern baseball 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:01.960 car card, and you know, we're not jumping forward in 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:03.600 time that much yet, I'm just kind of talking about 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:07.120 the labeling of the cards. You're gonna probably see the 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.280 company that made it. You're going to see the player's name, 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.200 maybe a collector's number on the card if there was one, 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:18.840 there might be some additional things on there, like you 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.440 know how many sets were made that year. It might 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:25.600 be a set name or a subset name, so you 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:29.080 might see something like Ed gave an example two thousand 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:33.600 and four Bowmen Chrome number two sixty four. Hector Himenez 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.880 is like the official sort of name of the card, right, 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.280 so what your god is? The bowman is the maker 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.840 of the card. Chrome is the type of card of 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:47.680 the addition number two sixty four. I'm if I remember correctly, 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:52.120 that would be Hector Jimenez. Card was two sixty four 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.360 in the set of say like three hundred or something 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.600 like that. Okay, Those tobacco sets so we were talking 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:01.960 about that came with cigarettes are very popular. It's called 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:06.200 the Tobacco era T sets. So for instance, a list 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.000 of the T two O six, very famous set from 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.359 American Tobacco Company. And this was for a couple of 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:16.000 years between O nine and nineteen eleven, and this has 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.760 the very legendary the card that you may have heard of. 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.080 Even if you know nothing about baseball cards, you've probably 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:27.920 heard of the Honus Wagner because it is I guess 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.520 not the most expensive or valuable baseball cardot all time, 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.160 but maybe the most well known, and it's certainly up there. 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:36.320 I think it was the first baseball card to crack 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.280 one million dollars sail, all the way back in two thousand. 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.359 But one of the reasons why it's so well known 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.880 is because there just weren't that many of them. The 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:51.800 legend goes that Honus Wagner said that he didn't well, 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:53.960 some people say that he was a posed to tobacco product, 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:58.480 so he didn't want his card being sold within packs 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.160 of cigarettes, And he may or may not have been 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:04.440 opposed to tobacco. He just said that he didn't want 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.920 his picture in cigarettes. But the real truth is probably 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.440 that he didn't like not being paid for his likeness, 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.880 which was being used to market and sell cigarettes. Now, 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:20.080 regardless either way, there are not that many Honus Wagner 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.280 cards T two o six Honus Wagner cards. And then 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.359 one of the other reasons that it's really valuable and 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.800 probably overvalued is because of a price guide from nineteen 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.080 thirty seven. Right, yeah, there was a price guide that 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:37.399 it seems like the author who wrote this just himself 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:43.600 could not find this card readily and kind of I 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:47.240 guess misstated it's rarity because of that, because there are 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.000 other much rarer cards that from those sets even then 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.800 aren't worth what the Honus Wagner's worth. And then it 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.439 just kind of became one of those things where the 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.480 legend grew of the Honus Wagner card, and it kind 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:02.960 of became famous invaluable because people said it was famous 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.280 invaluable right exactly because that T two O six set, 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:11.080 which was I think from nineteen o nine. You can 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:13.680 get cards from that same set for one hundred bucks 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.679 or less today, but then it was yes, but that 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:21.040 Honus Wagner sold most recently for seven point two five 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:25.000 million dollars in the last few years. So it really 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:29.119 is just basically it's it's become iconic and legendary just 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:32.560 because people thought it was rare, and even when they 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.520 found out it wasn't that rare, it doesn't matter. It's 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.720 still a Honus Wagner card. Should I buy you a 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.639 T two O six card for eighty bucks online? Sure? 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:46.040 A stretchy brown Stash card. Stretchy brown sash. Oh man, 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.320 I'm glad we circled back to that because you were, 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.520 like I can't. I can't hazard a guess at a 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:52.320 name of a player from back then, and I was 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.080 like thinking about it, but then the time had passed 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.600 and then bam it came back again. So it's way 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.760 Brown Stash time. Okay, So that was off the eight 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:04.160 minutes ago exactly. Okay, very nice way to hang onto that. See, 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.760 you don't throw away jokes, not if they're okay or better, 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.040 because you never know when it might come up. That's 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.479 exactly true, man. And that's not just the case with 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:16.000 jokes too, Chuck. That's the case with just information in general. 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:19.440 Something that may seem trite or boring. Even at one 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:21.760 moment down the road, you might be like, oh, I 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.639 know the answer to that, and then yam, someone's fallen 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:27.000 in love with you. Well, you know it's funny too, 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:29.199 is you know. I've never done improv, but I know 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.200 a lot of improvers, and they all have a little 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:36.280 hip pocket stuff, you know, like they're they're certainly improving, 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.600 but they all have their little bag of tricks that 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:40.879 they keep in, little gags and jokes and names. And 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:45.120 when we did our TV show, Caitlyn Bits, a guy 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.600 who was played our boss Steve on the show and 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:52.760 was one of the legit talented actors that surrounded us. Caitlyn, 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:54.479 I don't know if you remember this, but in one 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:57.120 of the episodes, she she threw out the name Mike 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:01.000 Vlasney and that's stuff with me all these years as 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.239 somebody's who's like something something Mike Lasney said? And I 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:05.960 asked her it just killed me for some reason. It 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:07.159 was just to had a funny ring to it. And 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:09.320 I asked her after word if she had just made 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:11.760 that up, and she said, uh, She's like no, She's like, 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.399 I've been using Mike Lasney for years. Good. It's a 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:17.560 good one. It is a good one. It's like my Todd. Yeah, 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:20.320 well you true Todd. But now you've got stretchy black 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:25.240 what black brown brown stash. It's good stuff. Hang on 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:29.240 to it, thank you. Ironically, he was blonde. Oh wow, 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:34.120 See this story gets richer and richer. Yes, and so um, 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:39.600 let's get back to baseball cart shall we? Yeah? Um? 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:43.760 Oh well hell go ahead? No, no, go ahead? Uh. 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:46.040 The T two O six was one of the ones 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:50.200 we were mentioned with the Honus Wagner Uh card. Included 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:53.320 was one of the last tobacco sets and then World 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:56.200 War One comes along and kind of puts a halt 0:21:56.359 --> 0:22:00.320 on production, because it seemed like warriors back then put 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:04.399 a halt like World Wars put a stop on lots 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:06.760 of production of things that weren't needed when you needed 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:11.640 other things. Not to mention the nineteen nineteen flu pandemic too, right, Sure, 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:16.360 So I saw Chuck somewhere the time between basically nineteen 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:20.320 hundred and World War One as the golden era of 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:25.280 baseball card collecting between Waight Ears nineteen hundred and basically 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:30.080 nineteen seventeen nineteen sixteen. Oh. Interesting. Yeah, I thought that 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:32.119 was interesting too, because again, these are the ones that 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:35.199 are like, they follow very little rhyme or reason, like 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:40.120 Nibisco was putting out like baseball cards. It's just weird. Yes, 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:44.560 they called they're notated with the D and that's your 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:50.080