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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Giants Huddle. Get him in a Huddle,

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Speaker 1: Get him in a Huddle, Get him in New York

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Speaker 1: Giants Podcast. I'm John Smolkin. Welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Giants Huddle Podcast. Today's guest is Giants Safety, Jabbro Peppers.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to Jabbro, I wanna remind you

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Speaker 1: And now we're joined by Giants Safety, your Bill, Peppers,

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Speaker 1: your Broll. What's up man? And we're good? Yeare bro?

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Speaker 1: What's up? Man? Al Right, let's start with this. You know,

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Speaker 1: we know how much turnover there was in this defense

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Speaker 1: in the off season, right, A lot of new players

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Speaker 1: and it takes the coordinator time to learn about you

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Speaker 1: guys and for you guys to learn what the coordinator

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Speaker 1: wants to do. How did those two things kind of

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Speaker 1: come together over the last few weeks where we've seen

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Speaker 1: some of the improvements in the defense that we've seen.

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Speaker 1: I think it just comes down down to exactly what

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Speaker 1: you said. I think he's learning, you know, with certain

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Speaker 1: guys and what to do with um, you know, who

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Speaker 1: who plays the best technique in this this coverage versus

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Speaker 1: that coverage. And you know, I definitely think we're getting

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Speaker 1: the field for how he likes to call the games

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Speaker 1: down in distances, you know, things that you know that

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Speaker 1: we're comfortable with, things that we know we run well,

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Speaker 1: and you know we don't have to think and just

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Speaker 1: play fast. So you know, it's definitely come together. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I definitely think it's still more room to improve. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I kind of saw a sea change. I think it

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Speaker 1: was halftime of the Bucks game where I saw a

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Speaker 1: lot of fewer blitz is from then on out and

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Speaker 1: in the future, and more zone than cover one and

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Speaker 1: things like that or those some of the types of

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Speaker 1: changes you're talking about where talent mets scheme to make

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Speaker 1: everything work together. Um, you know, I wouldn't exactly, you know,

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Speaker 1: say it like that. You know, I think that how

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Speaker 1: would you for for every team you know, they struggle

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Speaker 1: with something, you know, Um, it just happened to be

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. You know, they struggle with more zone pressure

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Speaker 1: looks or straight drop zone looks, and you know, we

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Speaker 1: made a heart on Jami's a little bit as opposed

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Speaker 1: to the Washington where you know, we play those guys

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Speaker 1: more man than man, you know. So I definitely think

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Speaker 1: it comes down to the game playing, the scheme with

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Speaker 1: the with the opposing offenses like to see versus what

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Speaker 1: they don't like to see um and a combination of

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Speaker 1: you know, the coordinating ontest players and vice versus. So

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Speaker 1: definitely made some you know adjustments in that game, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that was definitely the start of

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Speaker 1: you know us actually you know, starting to work better

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Speaker 1: and cohesion absolutely, and we're definitely seeing fewer players over

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Speaker 1: the top against you guys keeping things in front of you.

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Speaker 1: But that what means you have to tackle better. That

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Speaker 1: was an issue a couple weeks ago, got better versus

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Speaker 1: New England. How are you guys trying to fix that?

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Speaker 1: And how important is tackling well to the style you're

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Speaker 1: trying to play is everything, man, you know, especially if

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Speaker 1: You know it you can't really simulate tackling in practice,

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Speaker 1: it's certain things that you can do in practice to

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Speaker 1: And one thing I the other thing I thought you

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Speaker 1: other plays, because that's that's another big thing. We have

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Speaker 1: it probably make it easy when you lose about three

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Speaker 1: because all of this is one injury, one play away.

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Speaker 1: Now you're in there. You don't want to be in

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Speaker 1: every Monday after Reach game, I feel like every week

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Speaker 1: at your ultimate comfort level knowing what you're supposed to

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Speaker 1: where now everything is instinctual. Definitely now, Um, you know

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Speaker 1: or that they didn't put on tape, that they just

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Speaker 1: it allows you to play faster and take more chances

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Speaker 1: Fans have asked me why you're doing. I'd let you

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Speaker 1: those types? Well, I mean, it's it's different types of tracks,

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Speaker 1: if he has to widen it. You know, we like

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Speaker 1: And he would have forced him to your help to

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Speaker 1: Talk about instinctual. Kyler Murray. He is an interesting player,

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