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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: nor with you, Nick Pope with us. So, Nick, this

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Speaker 1: was released during this pandemic situation, and I gotta tell

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Speaker 1: you it kind of buried the story. Normally, if the

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Speaker 1: story like this would be released on a non news

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Speaker 1: event moment, it would get a lot of publicity. It

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Speaker 1: did not get a lot of publicity. Do you think

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Speaker 1: that was done on purpose? Yes, I think there's a

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Speaker 1: strong suspicion here that the timing was a little a

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Speaker 1: little bit planned orchestrated. In the United Kingdom, there's a phrase,

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Speaker 1: and this dates from something that happened just after nine eleven.

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Speaker 1: We call it a good day to very bad news.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, what happened was immediately after the towers

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Speaker 1: came down, a scene. A political advisor said, essentially, it's

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Speaker 1: it's a slight misquote, but the sense of it was,

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Speaker 1: if we've got any bad news, any inconvenient truths, any

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Speaker 1: announcements that we've been worried about making, let's get them

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Speaker 1: out now. Because I tell you what, nothing nothing else

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Speaker 1: apart from nine to eleven is going to be in

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Speaker 1: the news cycle. So there is a suspicion that the

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Speaker 1: Pentagon choosing this week to put out this story is

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Speaker 1: a way of getting it out there. They had to

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Speaker 1: do that, I think, getting it out there, but at

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Speaker 1: the one time when the whole world was looking the

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Speaker 1: other way. There's a joke about a politician who lost

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Speaker 1: his election and somebody was asking him, so, what happened.

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Speaker 1: How'd you lose? You were ahead in the polls. He said,

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Speaker 1: I screwed up on a slow newsday, And that's true,

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Speaker 1: and you know you've got a slow newsday. A story

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Speaker 1: like the videos would be huge, but if they're meshed

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Speaker 1: in with a whole bunch of other breaking stories like

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Speaker 1: the coronavirus, it doesn't take top priority at all. Nick,

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Speaker 1: when you were with the British Ministry of Defense, tell

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Speaker 1: folks who are new to you what you did with

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Speaker 1: those UK files. Well, we had about two or three

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Speaker 1: hundred UFO sighting reports each year and we had to

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Speaker 1: investigate those to determine if there was a threat to

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Speaker 1: the defense of the UK. And we'd had a program,

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Speaker 1: I mean goodness, we'd had UFO sightings of course since

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Speaker 1: the Second World War, but we had had a formally

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Speaker 1: constituted UFO program since nineteen fifty three, so I certainly

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Speaker 1: wasn't the first person to have this job. And we

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Speaker 1: had to research and investigate, and we looked at it

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Speaker 1: like all of government looking at anything. We looked at

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Speaker 1: it in terms of what are the threats and what

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Speaker 1: are the opportunities. And the threats would be obviously if

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Speaker 1: any of this did turn out to be, for example,

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Speaker 1: Russia or China, or even if it turned out to

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Speaker 1: be extraterrestrial and we didn't know what the agenda was.

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Speaker 1: And the opportunities, of course, the big opportunities, and this

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Speaker 1: gets to the heart of the Pentagon's interest in all this.

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Speaker 1: The big opportunity is technology acquisition. My goodness, if any

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Speaker 1: of this is real, the technology, for example, to travel

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Speaker 1: between the stars, both in terms of being able to

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Speaker 1: accomplish that, but also of course in terms of the

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Speaker 1: energy required. The nation on Earth that first acquires that

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Speaker 1: technology will be the dominant power on Earth for foreseeable future.

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Speaker 1: What's so great about this, too, though, is the great

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Speaker 1: usologists of the past and present, the late Stanton Freedmen,

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Speaker 1: the many uthologists today, all of them that you know

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Speaker 1: and we know, you know, they've got to be relishing

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Speaker 1: this because they could be vindicated soon enough, don't you think? Absolutely? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I think for ye is this subject languished somewhat. It

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Speaker 1: was seen as fringe. It was either ignored by the

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Speaker 1: and things like that. And now here we are having

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Speaker 1: a grown up conversation about it. We have pilots, we

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Speaker 1: various senators who've been briefed coming forward and and hang

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Speaker 1: things like you, well, it's a hell of a bidia.

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Speaker 1: We've been losing some great UFOL conferences because of the

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Speaker 1: coronavirus scare. We've lost contact in the Desert which was

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Speaker 1: That's been put off for at least a year. That

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Speaker 1: kind of hurts the field, doesn't it It does. People

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Speaker 1: listen to the latest findings from researchers, but also of

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Speaker 1: whether they're scientific, academic, whatever. They'll be back with a

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Speaker 1: mingling and learning and having fun again. Doctor David Jacobs,

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Speaker 1: of course believes that the UFOL visitations are happening and

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Speaker 1: that they're nefarious. They're not very good for us. What

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Speaker 1: do you think of that? Well, in a sense, that's

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Speaker 1: the default position of government and military. So he's right

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Speaker 1: in one sense. It's far better to assume that something

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think he's probably at the far end

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Speaker 1: these occupants of UFOs, assuming that's where they're coming from,

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Speaker 1: from other lands, other planets, if they get here with

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Speaker 1: it's not I think people don't really get the distances

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Speaker 1: got missiles and we've got all this stuff. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you would estimate that technology gap as being, you know,

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Speaker 1: a few hundred years or something like that. In a

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Speaker 1: with civilizations with millions of years headstart exactly. And then

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Speaker 1: any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. I mean,

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Speaker 1: It's it's going to be order as a maintenance. You'd

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Speaker 1: I don't care, but it's it's technology. Technology continues to change,

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Speaker 1: and it's conceivable that if these visitations are real. Here's

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Speaker 1: created us? Maybe they're watching us again, Nick? Or what

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Speaker 1: do you think their purposes to come here? They curious?

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Speaker 1: What is it? Well? I like to think that they

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Speaker 1: come here as as scientists. They come here as anthropologists

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Speaker 1: and too truly ancient and advanced civilizations with millions, perhaps

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Speaker 1: a billion or two years headstart on us. Maybe newly

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Speaker 1: new thing in the cosmos for them to study. Absolutely next,

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Speaker 1: this is one of the most amazing possibilities I think

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Speaker 1: So that does certainly put the idea that it's our

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Speaker 1: because as you say, why would you put it out there? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: book is called We Are Not Alone, and it came

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Speaker 1: and the more we look, the more we find, the

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Speaker 1: less special we seem to be. And that's good, I

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Speaker 1: think in a sense. And literally, there's nothing magic about

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Speaker 1: planet Earth. We're just going to find that we're a

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Speaker 1: there's nothing magic or special about us. And just as

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Speaker 1: life has evolved here, it's probably evolved millions and millions

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