1 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Happy Friday. 2 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: Chip. 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Hi, Hey, g motherfucking aya, is. 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 3: It gonna be another beautiful weekend here in Nashville, Tennessee. 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: I don't even know. 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: My world has been so crazy this week that checking 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: the weather has not been top of my agenda. 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 3: I mean, like, I love this time of year because 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,959 Speaker 3: it's like you for coming out of winter, you forget that, 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 3: like you're gonna have nice weather at some point, you know, 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: and then you start waking up and it's nice every day, 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 3: and you're like, there's no way this is going to continue. 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: I wish that the listeners could see you talking about 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: weather right now. 15 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 3: You are looking outside city. 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: He has the biggest smile, he's using his hand, He's 17 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: very animated. Verry, you seem happy, joyous and free. 18 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 19 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 3: I mean because it's like now we can go drink 20 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 3: on patios and stuff. You know, there's nothing better than Yeah, 21 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 3: and Wave Country opens, you know. 22 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: Oh God, can you tell the listeners about if you 23 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 2: are new to this podcast and you have not heard 24 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: Chip talk about Wave Country, you obviously haven't listened in 25 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: the summer. But it's about to be summer, so I 26 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: feel like you should give them some backstory because I'm 27 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: sure we will be hearing about it. 28 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 3: Yes. So Wave Country is I don't even know when 29 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 3: it opened, like probably early eighties or something. 30 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: And so it's basically my age. 31 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like older than Kelly Cool and it is 32 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: owned by the city and it's just a big wavepool 33 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: that's got a it's got four slides, five slides. One 34 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: of them's for children and you know if you like 35 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 3: swimming with band aids. 36 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: Like, so this is where you and I could not 37 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: be more different because Chip loves a water park, like 38 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: living his last life. 39 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: He will go by himself. 40 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: He's the creepy guy in the wavepool by himself, right 41 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: I am. 42 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: I I will just like lay on a float. And 43 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: you know they're often playing like jack FM, and I 44 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: think that's a good enough Like every every city has 45 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:07,559 Speaker 3: jack FM. 46 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: Now Jay does, well what kind of music because it likes. 47 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 3: The best hits of today and yesterday, Like it's just 48 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 3: like kind of the best. It's like, you know, like 49 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 3: there's past hits, but then there's modern stuff too. There's 50 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: songs that everyone knows, you know, like any big karaoke. 51 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: Song is played on Did you want to give us 52 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: an example? 53 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,119 Speaker 3: You know, like, don't stop believing, you know, stop yeah, 54 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 3: or like sweet child of mine. 55 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: But then that'll be like background music and dion. 56 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I will go there by myself and sit 57 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 3: on a float and just stare up at the sun 58 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: and sing out loud to jack them. And I know 59 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 3: everyone in the pool, including the lifeguards who are sixteen 60 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 3: and seventeen years old, right or like, who is this 61 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 3: crazy person? 62 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: Do you feel? 63 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: Do you feel like in case of an emergency, a 64 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: sixteen or seventeen year old child essentially could save you? 65 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 3: No? 66 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: At wave Country, I just want to detect so cool. 67 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 3: We have those like little floating torpedo things. 68 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: I don't know about those because I myself do not 69 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 2: go to water parks because I hate them. 70 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: Well they you know they use them at like on 71 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: day Watch, you know that thing like oh yeah, well that's. 72 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,839 Speaker 2: All I can put family Anderson running down the beach 73 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 2: in a red bikini carrying one of those. Yeah yeah, 74 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: they don't have her rescuing you from a wave pool. 75 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: I mean that'd be different. I would purposely drown. 76 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: Even the gay men love Pamela, who doesn't. I just 77 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: have this thing about sitting in water, and I know 78 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: there's chlorine it don't come at me about this, but 79 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: there's something about the wavepool that I find so disturbing. 80 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: First of all, you know, every single person in there 81 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: is peeing and I think probably doing other bathroom things 82 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: in there. Second of all, like you mentioned the band aids, 83 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: Like why are there always just floating band aids at 84 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: water parks? It's just so it just feels so unst 85 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: sanitary to me, and I can't get over it. And 86 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: I'm not even like OCD or germophobe or anything like 87 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: that normally, but that situation, it's something about sitting in water, 88 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: like I don't know, it just really grosses me out. 89 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: I think the reason why band aids are there is 90 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: because they fall off in the water. 91 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: Oh sh shearlock, that's why they're there, and popped into 92 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: the waves. 93 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, to be clear, these are not band aids that 94 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 3: are still in their packaging. There's yeah, so they slid 95 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 3: off a toe or a finger, but that's a wound though, No, 96 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 3: you don't. But they get pushed to the shallow end 97 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 3: because of the waves and I'm in the deep end. 98 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 3: And also there's so much chlorine. It's like I went 99 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: there during COVID. I thought it was safer to go 100 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: to the wavepool than it was to go to the 101 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 3: grocery store. And I never I didn't get cold. 102 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: Well, you're outside, so yeah, with swimming in the bleach, 103 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: maybe you're onto something. They that was what saved you. 104 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: Because I've had COVID a lot of times. 105 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 3: Well I ended up having it, but never during the summer. 106 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm about to rock your world with this transition. 107 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: So so anyway, so anyway, but what I was going 108 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 2: to say is the only time I feel like I 109 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: can't get in touch with Chip during the summer is 110 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: if he is at wave Country. And so if Chip 111 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: is not responding to my text, I immediately know where 112 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 2: he is. Like, that is the one place that Chip 113 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: does not get back to you on a text. 114 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: I can't have my phone in the water. 115 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: Was that not good? 116 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 3: That was good? 117 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 2: So today I know blind sided you. So today I 118 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: really wanted to discuss not returning text and Chip and 119 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 2: I have kind of been going back and forth about 120 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: just all the reasons that this might happen. And it's 121 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: so interesting when you really think about our culture. Texting 122 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: is the number one form of communication at this point, 123 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 2: I feel in twenty twenty four. I personally feel like 124 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: I get more texts than phone calls, even more than 125 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: like emails. Like I told you before this, I get 126 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: booked on jobs via text a lot of times now, 127 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: like people check my availability via text. I mean it's 128 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 2: not all the time, but I would say that it's 129 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: become our number one format for texting. And because of 130 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 2: that and communicating sorry, yeah, And because of that, it 131 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 2: almost feels like we're to the place now where maybe 132 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 2: we need to talk about a little bit of etiquette 133 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: here and like what's appropriate, what is fair? Maybe what 134 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 2: are we missing and how are we going wrong with it? 135 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: And so I brought it to go ahead. 136 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: And I was just going to say, and how do 137 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: we put the lid back on Pandora's box? You know, 138 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: Like I feel like it's because it's just going to 139 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 3: keep getting worse, Like I think that email is going 140 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 3: to become a thing of the past. 141 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: Well it's kind of interesting because I like, I don't yeah, 142 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: I don't know that it can or will or whatever 143 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 2: that'll look like, but I do. I did find myself 144 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: this week, like I said, I've been really busy and 145 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 2: kind of like running back to back to back to 146 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: back to back, and I'll get to the end of 147 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: the day and realize I have not opened my email, 148 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 2: and then it's like you open your email, there's a 149 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: whole nother world. 150 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: And there's a whole nother world. You're like, oh wow, Well, 151 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: you know, it's like we now live in a world 152 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: where like a twenty five megabyte photo is too big 153 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: to send an email, but you can text it and 154 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: it comes through clearly. So I think we got like 155 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 3: it's weird. So I think that we're going to start 156 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: to see less email. I mean, I feel like I'm 157 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: it's I end up texting a lot more for work 158 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 3: stuff than email, and email is like a second class 159 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: citizen to me right now, and which is scary because 160 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 3: I prefer it and for work. 161 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: Of course, because you know why, it's the lack of urgency. 162 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: There's like a little more people. 163 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: Don't know when you read it. 164 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: They don't know that it's like right there in your 165 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: like if you have to consciously go check an email 166 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: where a text is just flying into your phone. And 167 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: that was the main thing that you brought up about 168 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: this whole situation, like where we are now with our 169 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: culture with so much texting is being constantly on call kind. 170 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: Of So do you want to talk a little bit 171 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: about that? 172 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, first of all, I would like 173 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 3: to do a little bit of a breakdown because there 174 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 3: are so many different relationships that we have that communicate, right, 175 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: So we have work relationships, we have family relationships, we 176 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 3: have romantic relationships, and we have friendships. And the way 177 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 3: that I communicate or the expectations that I have in 178 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 3: those communications are different in all four of those categories. 179 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: And you know, like I do believe and even though 180 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 3: I don't practice it, I think that work life balance 181 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 3: is really important and it should be something that should 182 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: be respected on both sides. I tend to work in 183 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 3: a business that does not sleep, you know, so it's yeah, 184 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 3: it's really difficult to have that work life balance. And 185 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: now when texting is part of the conversation, it is 186 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 3: really hard to turn it off, you know. Like I 187 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 3: know that there are some companies out there that assistance 188 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 3: I think at WME or maybe at CA. These are 189 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: two big agencies. One of them, they're not allowed to 190 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 3: take their computers home and they don't have email on 191 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,239 Speaker 3: their phone, so when they leave the office they can't. 192 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: Work, which is a nice looking fucking. 193 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 3: Brilliant, you know, like I went. You know, I worked 194 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 3: as late as my boss did, so I couldn't leave 195 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: until she left. And my first job as an assistant, 196 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 3: and so it trained me to just constantly because she 197 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 3: and she was single and had no kids, so she 198 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 3: worked really hard and you know, work was her life. 199 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 3: And so I started my career with no work life balance. 200 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 3: So I've never been able to really get it back. Yeah, 201 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 3: until I moved to Nashville, and we got a little 202 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 3: bit better because in New York and LA, people tend 203 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: to marry and have kids older, where if people start 204 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: families younger in the South, and there is a little 205 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: bit more of respect for the family life. So that's 206 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 3: been a nice little introduction. Anyway, I'm digressing, but I 207 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 3: you know, so for work stuff, I prefer it to 208 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 3: be email, so that there is a paper thread and 209 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: it's like you can kind of see back and forth, 210 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 3: and you can pull people in if you need certain 211 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 3: things answered, and it's a big conversation happening together, and 212 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: it's not just all these side texts that are hard 213 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 3: to search and hard, hard to save and hard to reference. 214 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: And but I feel like now everything everyone treats everything 215 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 3: with such urgency that it's a text, and I'm like, 216 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 3: I often like, I'm the same as you. At the 217 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 3: end of the day, I look at my email and 218 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, now I've got to deal with this shit. 219 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: Well, so that's work. But what were you gonna mention about? 220 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: What's your variation between work relationshipship? 221 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: You know, obviously it's when you're in a relationship like 222 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: that person has expectations that they're supposed to feel like 223 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: the most important person in your life. Yeah, so, and 224 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: you know, also you probably should they should feel like 225 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: the most important person in your life. So it's you 226 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: want to constantly be chatting with them. So it's like that, 227 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 3: I prefer to be over text because then it's like 228 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 3: in constant communication. In fact, in my last relationship, it 229 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 3: was months before I had his email address. It was 230 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: all just text and phone calls. Like I didn't have 231 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 3: any reason. 232 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: You really don't need it unless you're like booking a flight. 233 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, booking a flight. Then you know my mom, it's 234 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: she doesn't text, so I have to call her. And 235 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: I prefer to talk to my family on the phone 236 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 3: because there it's a different kind of conversation unless it's 237 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 3: just me and my sister like bullshitting about stuff. So 238 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: it and then I guess friends is sort of all 239 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 3: over the place, like it's usually like group text with friends, 240 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 3: like making plans and stuff. It's it's very rare. I 241 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 3: do have a couple of friends that like to have 242 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: really long text conversations and then I'm just like, can 243 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: we just fucking talk for a minute. Yeah, this is 244 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 3: driving me crazy. Yeah, although it is really convenient to 245 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 3: like text and watch TV at the same time, you 246 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: can kind of do that. 247 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: That's why I do it, is because I can be 248 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: doing other things right while I'm with you. Certain things 249 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 2: do you just need to make the calls. So what 250 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 2: you're saying or what I'm hearing you say, is you're 251 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: text to not text ratio or how you communicate with people, 252 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 2: what avenue is different based on what kind of relationship 253 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: that you have. 254 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I I yes, I think there is a 255 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 3: strata there and they. 256 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: Can't use words that the rest of us. 257 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: Now, well, it's just like there's it now, I want 258 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 3: to say delineation, like you just all those relationships are 259 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 3: treated a little differently, Like, for example, within work, if 260 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 3: if you need something from your boss. Yeah, and your 261 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 3: boss is a texter and your boss isn't responding to 262 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 3: your text. Yeah, it can be really stressful, but it's 263 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 3: also really irresponsible to be like, well, I texted my 264 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: boss and you know, like and just move on and 265 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 3: like don't get something done in time or whatever, or 266 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: you run the risk of being forced to make a 267 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: decision that might be counter to what your boss would 268 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 3: have had you do. Sure, but if your bossinn't responding, 269 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 3: like what is your recourse? So, I mean, I do 270 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 3: think it's you have to like learn people and learn 271 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 3: their expectations. Like for me, if I think I've gotten 272 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 3: to the point now where if something is really urgent, 273 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 3: a phone call, like if someone calls me, that means 274 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 3: something's important because that's like you cannot they need the 275 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 3: answer now. But text feels like it's just one step 276 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 3: short of that too, whereas emails like get to it 277 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: when you get to it, and then if you fucking 278 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 3: mail me something, you're lucky if I ever open it. 279 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,119 Speaker 1: Carry your pigeon, God, what that was really. 280 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 3: Difficult for me if you've had a pigeon carrier. 281 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: I was watching this show The Gentleman on Netflix the 282 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: other day. It's so good, by the way, if you 283 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: guys need a new bin show, And in one of 284 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: the scenes, the guy prefers carrier pigeons, and I was dying. 285 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh my god, that is an actual thing. 286 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: He can send notes that way. I had no idea. Yeah, 287 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: but so that's interesting. So the point you're making is 288 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 2: it's varied between relationships. And I was saying to you 289 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: when I first even brought this topic up. One of 290 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 2: my big like pet peeves is when people don't respond. 291 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: And I know a lot of it is, like I 292 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: have I feel like it's almost disrespectful for me when 293 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: someone texts me to not respond. So like, if I'm 294 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 2: not responding to you, there's usually a reason. Either I'm 295 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: super busy or there's always a reason I'm super busy 296 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: and I have not been able to get to my phone. 297 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: But like, even when I'm really busy, I'm pretty good 298 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: about it, and I'm pretty good about it pretty quickly. 299 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 2: Or i'm driving obviously, or I've already told you the answer. 300 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: I've told I've set the boundary whatever you want to like, 301 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: whatever the situation was, and I'm not going to fucking 302 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: say it again. That's like, so it's an intentional note, 303 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: So it. 304 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 3: Isn't That is like not responding at that point? Is 305 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 3: your answer? 306 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: Is my response? 307 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: Yes? Right? 308 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: But there are people in my life who don't operate 309 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: that way, and I don't feel obligated to respond to 310 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: all their texts if they are just like I'm just 311 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: in a place where I don't have the energy or whatever, 312 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: and I just have like a guilty conscience, like because 313 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: to me, I'm like, that's just communicating to that person 314 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 2: that they're not important to me. And I never want 315 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: to make anyone feel that way. But I just don't 316 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: think everyone feels that way. So what is the etiquette there? Like, 317 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: what is the reality? 318 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 3: I honestly, I don't know what it is because I 319 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 3: also think that you know, and people do put this 320 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 3: word around boundaries are important and we cannot make assumptions 321 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 3: about why someone's not responding to us every it's because 322 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 3: it's not the same reason. Every time I saw this, 323 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 3: it was funny because Kelly brought up this topic the 324 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 3: other day and then I a friend of mine posts 325 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 3: like shared this on history and I took a screenshot 326 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 3: of it. I don't know what the screenshot's from But 327 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 3: it's like someone poses like a question and then and 328 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 3: then someone just answers it. It looks like it might have 329 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: been on Reddit or something, but it's people who don't 330 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: who don't reply until days later. Why. It's a relatively 331 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 3: very new phenomenon that basically anyone in your life gets 332 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 3: access to you all the time. It was only twenty 333 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 3: years ago that if you left the house for the 334 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 3: day you were actually gone, you'd return messages when you 335 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 3: got back hours or even days later, and someone responded 336 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 3: the phone is there for my convenience. It is not 337 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 3: an electronic leash if it's not convenient for me to 338 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 3: talk to you for any reason. And this applies to 339 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 3: texting to including I'm just not feeling social right now. 340 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: I'm not obligated to answer. This is not rude. This 341 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: is a normal personal boundary. And that just made me think, like, 342 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 3: that's so right. But I too, like harbor guilt when 343 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 3: I don't respond. And the worst is when I know 344 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 3: I haven't responded and then I run into somebody and 345 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: it's like, oh my god, Oh, oh my god, I 346 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 3: bet it's a fact. Did that not go through My god? 347 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: I have so many relationships where I talk to certain 348 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: friends so regularly that if I don't respond, because I'm 349 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 2: such a normal responder, they're like, are you okay? Like 350 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 2: the bathtop, like literally and so like what you just 351 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: said is interesting to me because I hear what that 352 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: person is saying, and I don't really know that I 353 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 2: understand why you can't just say, hey, I'm trying to 354 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: be off my phone or something like. If it's a 355 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: person that's important to you for sure specifically, or a 356 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 2: person you talk to regularly, I don't think that it's 357 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 2: too much to ask to send a text that says, hey, 358 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: I just need to be off my phone today or hey, 359 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 2: I'm busy. I find this to be the biggest issue 360 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: with like our culture is we don't know how to 361 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: fucking communicate. Yet we have so much access to all 362 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 2: the communication possible, like you're saying, like we're so easily 363 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 2: reached at all times now because we have text, email, Instagram, 364 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 2: like there's all these things whatever that you can find 365 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 2: people and see where they are and all this stuff, right, 366 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 2: Yet basic communication skills like simply saying one sentence to 367 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 2: explain something to someone else or just to kind of 368 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: be like, hey, get I'll get to this in a. 369 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: Mid or whatever. It's not that difficult. 370 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: Yet it seems so complex for so many people to me, 371 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: and to me when I look at it, because I 372 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 2: know so much about the like anxious avoidant dynamic, it 373 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: just creates this perpetual cycle of fucking with everyone's head 374 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 2: and anyway, like I don't I think it's like a 375 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: person's responsibility to take care of their own needs. If 376 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 2: you're not getting a response and like you're spiraling out, 377 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: like that's on you. You got to go like figure 378 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 2: out what's happening. But I also just think I'm like, 379 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 2: what it be so difficult, especially for a romantic relationship, 380 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 2: but even a friendship, like just send the fucking text 381 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: or like when you do get back to it, you know, sorry, 382 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 2: super big, I've been super busy or whatever whatever it is. 383 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: I just think, like, communication is not that difficult, and 384 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 2: so why is it so fucking difficult? 385 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's funny. As you were talking, I 386 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 3: started thinking about like sometimes I'll send friends like a 387 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 3: funny song or a video or a meme or whatever, 388 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 3: and of course it's always nice to get some sort 389 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 3: of like haha or a response, but you know. I've 390 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 3: got friends that don't, but I know that they're watching 391 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 3: them and they just know it's me like thinking of 392 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 3: them back in you know, like when I was in 393 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: high school. Like if I was if I thought of you, 394 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 3: I might like send you a postcard and I didn't 395 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 3: expect a postcard in return. 396 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: Then in my face, message is what we do? 397 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 3: Oh my god. We didn't have computer people or aim, 398 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 3: remember Aim? 399 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Aim, that was nothing gearing up for 400 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: this one. 401 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 3: Did they even have that ever? 402 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: Oh wow? Well right, I'm a couple of old. 403 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 2: I found this article on wiki how and it said 404 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: it was like talking about text anxiety. Like a lot 405 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: of people have text anxiety. So if you're not if 406 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,719 Speaker 2: someone's not responding to your text, like I said earlier, 407 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: it might trigger certain people. But they said, don't worry. 408 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 2: They may just be taking time to process your text. Okay, 409 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 2: this is the most basic, like no shit Sherlock article ever, 410 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: But I'm gonna I'm gonna give you us some points. Anyway, 411 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: they're just processing what you said, which is they might be, 412 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: you know, taking their time to understand and reply like okay, cool. 413 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 2: They're experiencing text anxiety for some people. Texting can cause 414 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 2: a flood of anxious feelings. I've actually experienced this with 415 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: other people where if they have a lot going on 416 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: or don't know what to say, they just don't say anything. 417 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: But I'm like, then say I don't know what to 418 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 2: say again, right back to my communication issues. They're experiencing 419 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 2: digital burnout. That is real, and I totally support taking 420 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: like a step back from your phone. They're struggling with 421 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: their mental health, they have condition, a condition that impacts 422 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 2: focus like ADHD. They're avoiding conflict, they're giving you the 423 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: silent treatment, they're ghosting you. They're genuinely busy. 424 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, like, please tell me they are busy? 425 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 3: Is on this list? 426 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 2: It is, and that is a valid excuse, I believe. However, 427 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: did you hear so many of the other ones are 428 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 2: completely just about not knowing how to process feelings, deal 429 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 2: with emotions, and communicate properly. So again, it becomes a 430 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 2: relationship issue if you really think about it. 431 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think the thing that makes it, like, 432 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 3: why we're even having this conversation is because text is 433 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 3: I mean, it is a new form of communication. Like yeah, 434 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 3: I mean it's not that new, but it is, yeah 435 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 3: that it's like this. Yeah, it's like everyone text now 436 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 3: except for my mom and my dad text and he's 437 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 3: older than her. But I can remember when I was 438 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 3: at my first job in New York City. It's when texting. 439 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 3: I was a very early adopter to texting. But it 440 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 3: was even like cell phones. It was like knew that 441 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 3: cell phones were widely available and everything had them, and 442 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 3: I remember thinking like it was a privilege to have 443 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 3: someone's cell phone number, like all the executives at our company, 444 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 3: like it was not in their signature. It was like 445 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 3: their assistance email or phone number, maybe their direct work 446 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 3: line and their email, and that was how you had 447 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 3: to communicate with these people because the cell phone was sacred. 448 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 3: It was like, you know, the bat phone to them, 449 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 3: and you weren't just running And even on business cards people, 450 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 3: we never put our cell phones on business cards. 451 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: It was just like emergency only are you're really close to. 452 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 3: The person if you and it meant it was really 453 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 3: meant to be a work thing, like I wasn't meant 454 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 3: so that you could like chat with your friends all day, right, 455 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 3: And now it's become like it is our life, flying 456 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 3: to the world like we do everything with our phones. 457 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 3: You know, in some countries they only use Apple Pay 458 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 3: and Samsung or Google Pay or whatever. Like people don't 459 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 3: even carry wallets anymore. You know. 460 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: Do you remember when the text you had to do 461 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 2: the numbers and it was like you'd hit three, you 462 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 2: had hit one like three times to get to pay 463 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 2: or something. 464 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,239 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, no, let a little Nokia. But then it 465 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 3: was like predictive text started coming and I'm like, shit, 466 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 3: I'm really on my phone. 467 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but what you said earlier, you were like, we've 468 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: come so far yet is it the right thing? And 469 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 2: so I brought up the younger generations because I've been 470 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 2: experiencing frustration with texting with younger generations. 471 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 3: Yep, well, well I didn't know if I was getting 472 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 3: ready to interrupt you if you were finish. Thought I, 473 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 3: you know, not to defend them, but also to defend them. 474 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 3: Like every fucking day someone myself included, thinks or says 475 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: out loud, I hate my fucking phone. I wish i 476 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 3: could deal it all and throw this thing away, or 477 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 3: I'm moving to a flip phone or whatever, And maybe 478 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 3: they're actually wising up and not and this is like 479 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 3: their reaction to that and they're taking their lives back. 480 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 3: Maybe it's actually a good thing. We have just become 481 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 3: accustomed to that expectation. You know. Look, I think it 482 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 3: is never good to be a poor communicator. Okay, I 483 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 3: can get you know, like you like, taking your life back. 484 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 3: Is not like I get to be a poor communicator 485 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 3: because I'm taking my life back. You can say I'll 486 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 3: follow up in the morning, like I'm I don't work 487 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 3: at night, you know, or whatever. It is, like, there 488 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 3: is a way to communicate. I'm not texting you right now, 489 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 3: it's not even if. 490 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 2: It's after Yeah, that there's no like that makes sense 491 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 2: to me. But let me give an example. Okay, So okay, 492 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 2: first of all, just in general the younger generations. It's 493 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: interesting to me because as much as our culture seems 494 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: built on urgency and excessive ability, there is a lack 495 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: of urgency in the younger generations. 496 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 3: That's true. 497 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 2: And I'm I'm not saying this, I don't know, like 498 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 2: I don't think that we've necessarily created the healthiest culture. 499 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 2: I agree with that as well. And so you're right, 500 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: there are some things that are ingrained in me because 501 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: like what you said earlier about your earlier work, experience. 502 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: That's how I've been taught to work too, and that's 503 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 2: how you kind of have to work in our business 504 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 2: if you want it. Like it's one of those jobs. 505 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: It's like if it was easy, everyone would be doing it. 506 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: So who's going to work the hardest and like keep 507 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: you know, the hustle going and whatever, And that's usually 508 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 2: who succeeds. And so I think I'm shocked sometimes, like 509 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 2: when I have people working for me, or in this 510 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 2: specific instance, I was trying to hire someone to film 511 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 2: something for me, and a lot of the video people 512 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: that I know are on the road on the weekends 513 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: and it's on a Friday, so there, you know, they 514 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: were already out town. So I'm getting references from people 515 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: and just all the things. And I was told to 516 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 2: message this one kid because I was like, is there 517 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: anyone like younger that's just trying to get started, because 518 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: like what I need is pretty straightforward and basic. And 519 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 2: so I was asking around on set one day and 520 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: I got this guy's number. He's like probably early twenties, 521 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: and so I texted him and like it was the 522 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 2: middle of a work day. I didn't feel the need 523 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: to call him, like because that's how I've learned to 524 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: communicate or whatever. But I didn't hear back from him. 525 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 2: So I text the guy who gave me the referral, 526 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: and he was like, oh, he does travels. It was 527 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 2: like a Tuesday though he does travels sometimes work. Let 528 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 2: me text him and check in, and he like texts 529 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: the guy and the guy writes him back and says, yeah, 530 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: I'm he was doing something, but I don't really know what. 531 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: They didn't tell me, but I didn't get the sense 532 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: that he was like traveling or whatever. He responds to 533 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: me the next day, and I was so turned off 534 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 2: because it was a work Like it wasn't like I'm 535 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 2: just texting you whatever, but like I was texting about 536 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 2: a work opportunity and also like I can't move forward 537 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: or it kept me having to like go through are 538 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 2: you gonna be able to do this? Like I have 539 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 2: to cover my ass and find someone so like, and 540 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 2: I just don't understand it because when I was starting 541 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 2: my career, I mean I was like working for free. 542 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: I was like, get me on set, I'll be wherever. 543 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 2: I If someone texts me about a job, I'm responding 544 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: right away, Like if you have a job opportunity, for me, 545 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 2: I am there in two many like it's like I 546 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 2: don't understand not having that, Like that's so weird, but 547 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 2: that's this is not my first experience with this, That's 548 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So then when it came back in 549 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: the next day and was very nonchalant, like I still 550 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 2: needed somebody actually at that point, but I like went 551 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 2: out of my way to find someone else who responded 552 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 2: in a timely manner and had a little more urgency. 553 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 2: But anyway, I guess my point is just like I 554 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 2: hear what you're saying, and maybe they are taking their 555 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: life back ish, but I'm also like, where's the line 556 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 2: between like taking care of responsibility, working hard, building something, 557 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: especially if you're an entrepreneur, and learning how to fucking 558 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 2: communicate in business Because if you can't fucking respond to 559 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 2: a text of mine, I'm not hiring you. 560 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing, especially when it's like because this 561 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 3: example is like you are offering someone a job. 562 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: You tried to charge me a lot, and I was like, okay. 563 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 3: Bye, bitch bye. Yeah You're like not we good, Yeah 564 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 3: we good. 565 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: That was just on the cake. 566 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, you're like, yeah, it was really about the 567 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: communication because I'm just like, if you're not to me, 568 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 2: what that said was you're not reliable. I don't I 569 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 2: don't want to have to be waiting on you to 570 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 2: be there on time because I don't trust you now. 571 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: And I also am like, what if you got flaky 572 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 2: the day of, Like it just produced a lot of 573 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 2: different feelings than me that I didn't know that about 574 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: that person, and I still don't know that to be 575 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: true about that person. But because of the lack of 576 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 2: urgency or or just communicating hey, I'm on set, can 577 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 2: I text you about this tomorrow for details, right, I 578 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 2: would have been like, sure, great, Yeah. 579 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 3: I mean and that is that's clear communication. 580 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. 581 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 3: Yes. 582 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: All I'm asking for averagehip is clear communications because with men. 583 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 3: It all comes down to that. 584 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: And if you can't do basic communication, you're telling me 585 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: so much about you, that's it. 586 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 3: Anyway, it might it might be that you're just an 587 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 3: anxious person and that's fine because you don't want an anxious. 588 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: Person geography fire this right now. 589 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 3: I'm not no, I'm not saying I'm saying you might. 590 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 3: The non response might just be that you're an anxious 591 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 3: person and you're like, I can't deal with two things 592 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 3: at once. I'm not saying you're the. 593 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: Anxious Oh I thought you were calling me saying a non. 594 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,719 Speaker 3: Response might be because someone's anxious about it, and then 595 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 3: you're like, I don't want to work with that person 596 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 3: any like if they're too high strong, Like yeah. 597 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 2: It's interesting because women are so good at doing multiple 598 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 2: things at a time, and I think men are a 599 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 2: little more laser focused on the one thing they're doing. 600 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 2: And so I feel like this creates a really weird dynamic, 601 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 2: especially with texting, because I hear so many girls being like, well, 602 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 2: they're like, well, he's at work, but like, so what, 603 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: I'm still like they're texting all day every day, you know, 604 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 2: and they're just get so frustrated, and I'm like, okay, 605 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 2: well he is at work, Like there are boundaries, but 606 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 2: I hear what they're saying too, of like he could 607 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 2: say hey, babe, like I'm at work, and when I'm 608 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 2: at work, like I can't respond right away all the 609 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 2: time or whatever it is like or double click of 610 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 2: heart heat up d Yeah it ain't that hard. 611 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 3: I'm alive, but my job is stressful. Right later, Yeah, I. 612 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: Think that's all so basically all that I'm asking for 613 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: here from this conversation to anyone listening who's feeling me 614 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: at all, or maybe feels the opposite, it's like all 615 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 2: that I think, I think that this problem could be resolved, 616 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: and I don't think texting is going anywhere, so I 617 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: think that we have to kind of consider how to 618 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 2: resolve these things. But I just think it's like, think 619 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 2: about what actually the person is asking of you, Like 620 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 2: I do think a lot of people get anxious and 621 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: overwhelmed and then they shut down because they're like I 622 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 2: didn't know what to say, And it's like, are they 623 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: asking you to solve the problem though? Are they just 624 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 2: asking like a question? And if you don't know what 625 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 2: to say, you could say, hey, I don't really know 626 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 2: what to say to that, or let me think about this. 627 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 2: Can I get back to you by five point thirty 628 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: on Friday or something? You know, give a time, give 629 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: us specific But it's just like we have to learn 630 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 2: better basic communications because our culture is not slowing down 631 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,479 Speaker 2: with the mass communication. Like it's almost like we've built 632 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: the technology, but our brains and our like emotional intelligence 633 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 2: has not grown yet right to match it. 634 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 3: I also think too, we need to put a little 635 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 3: onus on the first person who reaches out too, like 636 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 3: if something is urgent, you should say that, you should 637 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 3: say urgent all caps, or like hey, sorry to bother you, 638 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 3: sorry to bother you at night, but I need to 639 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 3: get this done, or hey, I'm sorry. I'm just like 640 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 3: reaching out out of the blue like I'm in a 641 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 3: pickle or whatever it is, so that it says like 642 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 3: I need a response, like you can't sit around on this, 643 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 3: or like I know you're at work, I'm dying to 644 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 3: know this, or yeah, whatever it is. You can't just 645 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 3: be like, hey, do you want to get dinner tonight 646 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 3: and expect someone to think that like you urgently need 647 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 3: that answer. 648 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 2: But you know what's worse is because texting you can't 649 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 2: hear tones. The person could be like crying they're having 650 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 2: a terrible day, and they're like, hey, you want to 651 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 2: get dinner tonight, and then you don't respond and you 652 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: but so it's like, okay, so. 653 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 3: Now I know how you really feel. 654 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: You yeah, you just internalize it. 655 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 2: You never you think they hate you whatever it is, 656 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, Well, if you had started the 657 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 2: text of saying, hey, I'm having a really hard day, 658 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 2: is there a chance that you're available for dinner. I 659 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 2: could really use a friend or something. But it's like 660 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 2: we also are so many humans don't want to actually 661 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: communicate the truth about what they're feeling, or they're not 662 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 2: aware of what they're feeling. So it's like again goes 663 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 2: back to Okay, get in touch with what's actually happening 664 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 2: for you and then just be honest. Like people respond 665 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 2: so much better to that than I think you would 666 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 2: think they do. Like, yes, that has been something I've 667 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 2: learned in the last three years and it's genuinely changed 668 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 2: my entire life to just shoot people straight kindly, but 669 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 2: like just be straight up, like, hey, I'm super overwhelmed 670 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 2: right now, Like this is big for me in dating. 671 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 2: It's just like I'm super overwhelmed right now. I am 672 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 2: really interested in meeting you. This is just not a 673 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: good time for me or something like. It's just like 674 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to blow you up. Just say the 675 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 2: fucking truth. It doesn't have to be so complex and difficult, right, 676 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 2: you know. 677 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 3: I I'm so like averse too. I don't I'm not. 678 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 3: I don't like conflicts, so I try to avoid it. 679 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 3: So it's when I have to give even if it's 680 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 3: like I'm not even it's not a fight, like if 681 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 3: I have to give someone a bad bad news or 682 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, just saying no, Like I I 683 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 3: hate it, but there is nothing better. There's no better 684 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 3: feeling than when you just fucking rip the band they'd 685 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 3: off and do it because you're just it frees you 686 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 3: of the anxiety of having to do it. 687 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 2: By the building doing it, putting it off, it has 688 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 2: to be so much worse. I don't relate to that, 689 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 2: so it's hard, but I just I know the times 690 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 2: where I've had the anticipation of stuff is really the 691 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 2: thing that's making me crazy versus the actual experience or whatever, 692 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 2: conversation or whatever. 693 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so like the build up. 694 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 2: But then oh I had a thought and I lost it. 695 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: It's going to be so epic, y'all, Like so epic 696 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: and so good. I don't know. 697 00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 2: It was about the avoiding conflict. Oh, what I was 698 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 2: gonna say is I a in one of my relationships 699 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 2: recently that was like a big thing and he didn't 700 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 2: feel good about conflict ever, very much like you like 701 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 2: just a kind soul, but like would try to avoid 702 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 2: conflict and so that created problems in our relationship though, 703 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 2: because I'm like, if you just communicate with me, like, 704 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 2: I'm not going to fight with you. If you don't 705 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 2: communicate with me, and I have to guess that is 706 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 2: when I get pissed off, and that is what that 707 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 2: produces conflict, because I'm just like making up all these 708 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 2: stories in my head about what's happening by your behavior, 709 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 2: and if. 710 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: You just told me what was happening. 711 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 2: It wouldn't really be an issue, you know, And so 712 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 2: I just think it creates actually more problems to not 713 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,720 Speaker 2: communicate and if people are responding poorly to your honest truth, 714 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 2: especially if you say it in a kind way, do 715 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 2: you really want those relationships in your life anyway? 716 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? The people who are good will respect you, right. 717 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 3: I guess It's where it gets gray. Is like when 718 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 3: it's family or your boss or you know, a work thing. 719 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 3: It's someone that you're like doing business with that you 720 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 3: don't even really know. That's when it really gets harry. 721 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 3: It's like when you're dealing with someone like I don't 722 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 3: know this fucking person, you know, Like, yeah, so you 723 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 3: don't even know what to expect. But totally, I mean, 724 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 3: I think it all boils down to like we should 725 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 3: all just sort of respect each other. We should respect 726 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 3: each other's privacy, we should expect each other's work life balance, 727 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 3: we should respect each other's time, and we should respectfully 728 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 3: respond to people in whatever way is the most respectful way, Like. 729 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 2: Well, it's really vague, but maybe want to say, like 730 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 2: respect the way that our cold. Like I don't know 731 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 2: that this is changing, you know, I mean, do you 732 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 2: take care of you? But like there have been that's 733 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 2: like basically saying like I wish the internet would go away, 734 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 2: and maybe it all will. I don't know, but as 735 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 2: of right now, it doesn't seem like that. So leaning 736 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 2: in a little more to maybe having I don't know, 737 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 2: kinder etiquette. I feel like we're like we're like the 738 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 2: texting police today. 739 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 3: If we're like old people now are like I so 740 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 3: foul that. 741 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: You guys, you have to respond. It's rude. 742 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 3: You know what the rudest thing is is to start responding. 743 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 3: I mean this is for only Apple users, Like you 744 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 3: start responding so the person you see the bubbles and 745 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,760 Speaker 3: then you stop. Nothing will make me crazier. I'm literally 746 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 3: all right, all your bubbles, you know what's fucked up? 747 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 3: Is I have a gift of that, so I can 748 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 3: send someone that gift and it just looks like I'm typing, 749 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 3: and so I'm gonna send it to you right now, 750 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 3: so you have. 751 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: A great stuck with my head. 752 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm curious what you guys think about this. Are 753 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 2: you a person who feels obligated to text at all times? 754 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 2: Are we missing the mark here by being so available 755 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 2: all the time. Do you think it'll change in our culture? 756 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 2: Or are you the person who's like, bitch, I'm not 757 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 2: available all the time, and I have boundaries around it, 758 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 2: and I have some things to say to what you said. 759 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 2: You can email us at the edge at Velvet Edge, 760 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 2: or I would love to hear this via voicemail. You 761 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 2: can check out the voicemail on my Instagram page and 762 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,760 Speaker 2: the link in bio. Also, oh sorry, I'm at Velvet's Edge. 763 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 2: Chip also put it in his bio and one day 764 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 2: we're going to get him to start posting about the 765 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 2: podcast too. 766 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 3: So bad at promoting myself, but you can follow me 767 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 3: and not see any post because I rarely post. At 768 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 3: Chip doors it's Chip d r sc ch. 769 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,479 Speaker 2: You sold yourself and then you took it back because 770 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 2: you were like, you can follow me, except I never post. 771 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: You can't do it work. 772 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 3: I post stories more than in feed. 773 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: Okay. 774 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 2: Well, as you guys go into the weekend and Chip 775 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 2: works on promoting himself, I hope that you are living 776 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: on the edge and well. 777 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 3: Fuck you don't act casual when Kelly texts you. 778 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 2: If I text you, you better not be acting fucking casual. 779 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just kidding. 780 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 3: You. 781 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 2: Guys can act as casual as you want because it's 782 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 2: the week all right. As you guys go into the 783 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 2: weekend and you're living on the edge, I hope you 784 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 2: always remember too. 785 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 3: Bye casual, Bye Bye.