Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to Access Podcast, the podcast about podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: Mattie Stout and I was lucky enough to get to
Speaker 1: do a live show in Boston with one of my
Speaker 1: favorite podcasters, Holly Fry, from one of the most popular
Speaker 1: podcasts in the world, Stuff You Missed in History Class Now.
Speaker 1: We recorded this at the Revere Hotel in Boston and
Speaker 1: had an amazing time in front of a live audience.
Speaker 1: Holly is not only the host of that show, but
Speaker 1: she writes an acts as executive producer on several podcasts
Speaker 1: for How Stuff Works. During this conversation, we talked about history, podcasting,
Speaker 1: Star Wars, and a whole lot more, and don't forget
Speaker 1: After the conversation, producer Morgan will be in and we
Speaker 1: will be telling you about three podcasts that you should binge.
Speaker 1: But right now, let's check out a clip from Stuff
Speaker 1: You Missed in History Class. The early Bourbon rule in
Speaker 1: Spain is one that I find fascinating because it's often
Speaker 1: boiled down to a little bit of a degree of
Speaker 1: sensationalism owing to the sexual appetites of some of the
Speaker 1: Bourbons and how much people like to write about that.
Speaker 1: But of course there's a whole lot more to the
Speaker 1: whole thing than that, and it isn't a very important
Speaker 1: family line. Holly, thanks for coming on Access podcast live
Speaker 1: from Boston. Did you just say wicked? Pista? Nice? Nice?
Speaker 1: I love Boston. So for folks listening at home, Holly
Speaker 1: and I are in Boston and we are part of
Speaker 1: a panel discussion today about podcasting. Yeah, which we both do,
Speaker 1: We both do. I want to start with that. You know,
Speaker 1: we get a lot of questions about podcasting, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's for us, we've been doing it for a while,
Speaker 1: it's still a new medium for a lot of folks.
Speaker 1: What are some of the most common things that you
Speaker 1: get asked consistently about being a podcaster and podcasting. I
Speaker 1: get asked all the time. If we write our own show,
Speaker 1: I get asked if my assistance could maybe talk to somebody,
Speaker 1: And then I laugh and laugh and laugh. I always
Speaker 1: crack up when I'm listening to other podcasts and at
Speaker 1: the end they run through their credits and they're like,
Speaker 1: and this person touched the microphones and this person and
Speaker 1: it's like, it's me and Tracy and one person who
Speaker 1: records us, and that's all that's ever been. We get
Speaker 1: asked a lot about just start of the technical aspects,
Speaker 1: you know, what they need to set up. Our previous producer, Noel,
Speaker 1: actually put together like a really quick word document that
Speaker 1: we could hand out to people that has kind of
Speaker 1: a basic information and and Mike's you can use, etcetera
Speaker 1: that I sometimes hand out. It's a little outdated now,
Speaker 1: otherwise I would offer it to everyone again, it needs
Speaker 1: a little update. Those are probably the big ones. So
Speaker 1: you just came back from Ireland. I did, and we
Speaker 1: were at dinner last night and You're telling me about
Speaker 1: your trip, and I'm just sitting there thinking when you
Speaker 1: started in this business, did you ever imagine that you
Speaker 1: would get to do the kind of things that you
Speaker 1: get to do now because of being a podcaster. No
Speaker 1: I feel like the most spoiled child in the universe
Speaker 1: almost every day. My trip to Ireland was kind of
Speaker 1: a two parter um. There is a travel show that
Speaker 1: we're working on developing, and so we were there for
Speaker 1: that for part of it, and for the other it
Speaker 1: was for my hobby podcast Full of sixth which is
Speaker 1: a Star Wars podcast, and Tourism Ireland asked if we
Speaker 1: wanted to come over and tour filming sites that have
Speaker 1: been used in the recent Star Wars films. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, just again, I feel like the luckiest, most
Speaker 1: ridiculously undeserving. No one could deserve all the fun that
Speaker 1: we get to have. So talk about how you got
Speaker 1: started in podcasting, because I think we're getting to a
Speaker 1: point where there actually will be young people who are
Speaker 1: like my dream is to be in podcasting. But for
Speaker 1: those of us who were not under the age of
Speaker 1: twenty five, it wasn't. It wasn't an option when we
Speaker 1: got out of college. How did it end up in it?
Speaker 1: It was not a job that I ever knew I
Speaker 1: would have. My background is in my degrees in theater
Speaker 1: and film study, so there's a performative element to my
Speaker 1: background anyway. But I also have a writing degree, and
Speaker 1: so I had gotten hired at How Stuff Works to
Speaker 1: copy edit. I was the tech editor, so when when
Speaker 1: new Apple products came out, we would have a writer
Speaker 1: write an article and I would then edit it and
Speaker 1: then get it published. And I did that for a
Speaker 1: long time. I had actually only been at the company
Speaker 1: I think about eight months when Tracy, who is my
Speaker 1: co host on Stuff You Missed in History class, and
Speaker 1: I were at a party at work a work event
Speaker 1: being kind of snarky because that's something we're excellent at.
Speaker 1: And our boss overheard us, and the next morning he
Speaker 1: called us in his office and said, I think maybe
Speaker 1: you guys should have a podcast, And we started off
Speaker 1: of the podcast about pop culture called pop Stuff, which
Speaker 1: had a very dedicated following, but it wasn't like a
Speaker 1: particularly huge numbers thing. It went on for a while,
Speaker 1: and then around the same time, the people who had
Speaker 1: been hosting Stuff you missed in history class because it
Speaker 1: existed before we were part of it, one had gone
Speaker 1: on maternity leave and I had subbed in for her
Speaker 1: during that time, and then after she came back, she
Speaker 1: got the opportunity to take another really great job that
Speaker 1: was going to be a great step for her, and
Speaker 1: so she took it. And at the same time, her
Speaker 1: co host was kind of like, you know, this podcast
Speaker 1: is She literally was like, this is a bear. It's exhausting.
Speaker 1: Our show is a little more labor intensive than some
Speaker 1: others because there's so much research involved. We do about
Speaker 1: twenty four hours of solid research and writing before we
Speaker 1: ever get in front of a mic. And when that's
Speaker 1: your side job in addition to your regular workload. That's
Speaker 1: a lot, and so it can wear you out in
Speaker 1: a hurry, and so they were ready to step away,
Speaker 1: and we ended up taking over stuff you missed in
Speaker 1: history class for that reason, and then we sunsetted pop
Speaker 1: stuff and it's dominated my life ever since. You're just
Speaker 1: talking about the process for your show, and I think
Speaker 1: that I want to talk more about that because when
Speaker 1: we're doing it right, When a podcast is done right,
Speaker 1: it does sound effortless and it sounds like just two
Speaker 1: people talking and it sounds like, wow, they are just
Speaker 1: off the cuff. No so much. No, I know that's
Speaker 1: not true, but how you know, go through that proce
Speaker 1: sess of you know, when you have an idea for
Speaker 1: something for the show and then to the point where
Speaker 1: somebody hears it. Yeah, so for us, because it is
Speaker 1: a history podcast, and I mentioned earlier during our panel discussion,
Speaker 1: I have a list of like seven d possible topics
Speaker 1: I can turn to you. But really it's just a
Speaker 1: matter of finding something that sparks your interest that you
Speaker 1: know you're going to be willing to spend a week
Speaker 1: with because it is a pretty intensive week of research
Speaker 1: and looking around and kind of beating the bushes to
Speaker 1: find information that maybe hasn't been brought to light before.
Speaker 1: And then once we find that topic, I have a
Speaker 1: little bit more I think, chaotic approach to it than Tracy.
Speaker 1: She's super organized, and I kind of like to take
Speaker 1: in as much information as quickly as I can. So
Speaker 1: what I do is I find one really good article
Speaker 1: on it, usually like somewhere like Smithsonian or some article
Speaker 1: in a specific journal on j Store, and I just
Speaker 1: read it and get a sense of the topic. And
Speaker 1: then I write out bullets of like things that I
Speaker 1: think cannot be left out, and then I just start
Speaker 1: like an insane search. I go to the library. I know, um,
Speaker 1: I actually worked in library science for a decade, so
Speaker 1: I still really libraries are near and dear to my heart.
Speaker 1: I will go to the library. I will do online searches.
Speaker 1: I often have, like no joke, a hundred plus tabs
Speaker 1: open in my browser just to make our I t
Speaker 1: guy go insane. And then as i'm as I'm kind
Speaker 1: of peeling away those layers of research, I'll be closing
Speaker 1: my tabs out. And that's kind of how I gauge
Speaker 1: where I'm at in the process of preparation. I'm like, oh, look,
Speaker 1: I'm down to thirty tabs. I'm almost done. I could
Speaker 1: take a break and watch some garbage television, and then
Speaker 1: once we get that all written out, Tracy and I
Speaker 1: hand those off to each other. We each take the
Speaker 1: lead on one of the episodes per week, because it
Speaker 1: is essentially to research papers a week that we're writing,
Speaker 1: and then we look over those and then we run
Speaker 1: in the studio and talk talk talk. Speaking of talking,
Speaker 1: you're somebody from the first time I met I've always
Speaker 1: enjoyed talking to and I think it's a lot of
Speaker 1: our white trash heritage that we have in common. But
Speaker 1: in general, with people in podcasting, they have to be
Speaker 1: engaging storytellers. Ideally, Yeah, so I'm just you know, I
Speaker 1: want to speak to that. As far as what you
Speaker 1: think takes um goes into someone being a good storyteller
Speaker 1: and engaging for a listener to to have that experience
Speaker 1: where they feel like they're their friend. This may sound weird,
Speaker 1: but part of it for me is trusting your own gut.
Speaker 1: Like when I'm looking at a topic, whether it is
Speaker 1: for my history podcast or like one of my side
Speaker 1: hobby ones, the thing that one little detail that gets
Speaker 1: me excited or makes me go, oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: That's like the thing that you need to find the
Speaker 1: space for in your narrative. And if you can find
Speaker 1: several of those on any one topic, you end up
Speaker 1: it comes together like a puzzle really beautifully. Usually like
Speaker 1: you'll see how the picture kind of starts to form
Speaker 1: and congeal and become clearer and sharper as you go. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so I think it as long as you're looking
Speaker 1: for in your prep those moments that get you excited,
Speaker 1: that's what your audience is also going to get excited about.
Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer that podcasting makes people smarter. When
Speaker 1: I look at my college students, sometimes I scratch my
Speaker 1: head and wonder what's going to happen to the world
Speaker 1: until I find out how engaged they are with podcasts
Speaker 1: and that they're listening and they're being educated. And I
Speaker 1: do feel that it. Podcasting is a good force in
Speaker 1: the universe. Do you get a lot of feedback from
Speaker 1: listeners that they've learned, you know, things from you that
Speaker 1: have really benefit them in their lives. My one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things that we hear from listeners a lot
Speaker 1: is that they heard something on our show that made
Speaker 1: them want to travel somewhere and they'll send us a
Speaker 1: postcard from that place and be like, remember when you
Speaker 1: talked about this person that did this thing here, I'm here,
Speaker 1: I'm standing where they lived. Um, And it makes one.
Speaker 1: I love it because it makes history alive and it
Speaker 1: reminds us all that history is the product of people.
Speaker 1: It's it's people living in experiencing life and doing things.
Speaker 1: And it's not always people that were in seats of government,
Speaker 1: and it's not always people that were famous, but there
Speaker 1: were people, just as every one of us in this
Speaker 1: room is making history today in a certain way. Every
Speaker 1: day you walk down the street, you're making some history.
Speaker 1: And so for people to be able to connect those
Speaker 1: dots and be like, I'm standing on this place where
Speaker 1: you know this woman did this thing that I never
Speaker 1: knew about until I heard it from you, and now
Speaker 1: they wanted to make their own little pilgrimage because it
Speaker 1: spoke to them. That's like, to me, incredibly moving. So
Speaker 1: the flip side of that, I'm sure you have some
Speaker 1: very uptight, finicky listeners as well. Oh yeah, what are
Speaker 1: what are some of the fun complaints that you guys
Speaker 1: get about the show, and how often are you called
Speaker 1: out for something that maybe you missed or I doubt
Speaker 1: you ever have, but oh, sure we missed stuff. Pronunciation
Speaker 1: is I was the thing that people like to write
Speaker 1: us about, either because there's a local way to pronounce
Speaker 1: a word that we didn't know, or we don't speak
Speaker 1: every language on earth, and so sometimes like there are
Speaker 1: are subtle shifts in the way words are spoken in
Speaker 1: other cultures that because we didn't grow up speaking then
Speaker 1: we just can't even replicate those noises. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I always warn people when they want to get into podcasting,
Speaker 1: be ready, especially if you're a woman. You will get
Speaker 1: the weirdest complaints. We have a person who pretty consistently
Speaker 1: writes to us about the way we say the word
Speaker 1: the I'm not kidding, um, that person has some time,
Speaker 1: I'm presuming, and it's one of those things where I
Speaker 1: could get upset about it, or I could just be like,
Speaker 1: I can't help you, like at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like I speak how I speak, and and that's what
Speaker 1: it is. There are people that love my laugh on
Speaker 1: our show, and there are people that hate my laugh
Speaker 1: on our show, and it's my honest laugh. And I
Speaker 1: can't change it because then it becomes a very disingenuous
Speaker 1: thing that I'm doing, and that, as we said, is
Speaker 1: poison in a podcast to be disingenuous. They're definitely people
Speaker 1: who wish we would talk less about women. It's one
Speaker 1: of those things whenever I'm explaining our show to someone
Speaker 1: and they go, what is that? And I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: did you know that there were women in history? Always
Speaker 1: because you might not know if you picked up a
Speaker 1: history book. There were always people of color, There are
Speaker 1: always people all over the gender spectrum. There were always
Speaker 1: people who were upstarts, and those aren't always the people
Speaker 1: that get light shown on them. Um. And so that's
Speaker 1: kind of what we try to do. And there are
Speaker 1: people that do not like that all the time, and
Speaker 1: that's fine, fine, fine, but maybe we're not the show
Speaker 1: for them. Yeah, I think I'm now I'm listening to
Speaker 1: hear you say the word I know, right, I think
Speaker 1: in that In that case, it was one of those
Speaker 1: instances where I had said, for emphasis something like this
Speaker 1: is the most important thing, and she was like, that's
Speaker 1: the incorrect use of the and I'm like, okay, suck
Speaker 1: it all right, That's what I say to those listens.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're certainly entitled to their opinion. It's one
Speaker 1: of those things you can either get really upset about
Speaker 1: it or just if it's a legitimate error that we made,
Speaker 1: we always want to correct it. Will usually include that
Speaker 1: in a listener mail, like if we got something factually incorrect,
Speaker 1: which just come up not too often I'm thankful for,
Speaker 1: but once in a while it's just going to happen.
Speaker 1: But if it's something like that, again, I can't help
Speaker 1: that person. The fun stuff history, Yeah, you get to
Speaker 1: talk about so many great times, period themes in history.
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite and do you have a
Speaker 1: heart of that you kind of wish you didn't have
Speaker 1: to talk about so much? Um yes to all of
Speaker 1: the above. I have a weird weakness for Queen Victoria.
Speaker 1: Uh super complicated rain that a whole imperialism problem is real,
Speaker 1: But as a person she was super fascinating and if
Speaker 1: you read her letters to her eldest daughter Vicky, it
Speaker 1: peels back all of what you may think we think
Speaker 1: of her as that very like we are not amused
Speaker 1: um stoic, But she was wildly funny and had hilarious
Speaker 1: things to say about you know, the fact that even
Speaker 1: though she was the queen of a vast, vast range
Speaker 1: of places, by that point, like when she talks about
Speaker 1: pregnancy and rearing children, all of that falls away, and
Speaker 1: she's very blunt and honest with her kids about what
Speaker 1: they can expect from motherhood and how it is not
Speaker 1: always a lovely experience, and how she thought babies were
Speaker 1: hideously ugly, but she she just couldn't keep her hands
Speaker 1: off albert Say, she kept getting pregnant. Like those are
Speaker 1: all very, very funny, I'm not kidding, Like there's some
Speaker 1: she was deeply into albert Um, which is really great,
Speaker 1: and it's a part of her don't always hear about.
Speaker 1: And so I love that um. I also love eighteenth
Speaker 1: century France a lot. I just it's largely a visual
Speaker 1: thing I like talking about also just things that have
Speaker 1: impacted me in my life. We did a two parter
Speaker 1: on Chaz Adams, who is one of my favorite cartoonists.
Speaker 1: The Adams Family is his work, uh, and he was
Speaker 1: a fascinating man and just live this sort of fantastic,
Speaker 1: slightly wild life of like the the aeradite New Yorker
Speaker 1: in the forties and fifties, and I mean had an
Speaker 1: affair with Jackie Onassis and like this incredible life that
Speaker 1: people again don't always associate with a man who made
Speaker 1: these incredibly spooky characters that we all came to love.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you guys a secret. I don't really
Speaker 1: care for medieval history. I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: love it, and it's not I recognize it as important
Speaker 1: and I will never not do an episode on it
Speaker 1: because of that, but it's just not my jam. Is
Speaker 1: not my jams, not my jam. I'm not as enthused
Speaker 1: about the clothing of that era. I'm like, oh, a
Speaker 1: little money in plane. Can we go back Rococo France?
Speaker 1: Because that was a fancy Yeah, so I do much
Speaker 1: plague right, Although we have done a number of episodes
Speaker 1: on anchor rights and anchoresses of the medieval period and
Speaker 1: they're fascinating. So those were people that decided that they
Speaker 1: would live in This is a very simplified version. There's
Speaker 1: a lot more variation and subtlety, but like live in
Speaker 1: a room and think about man's relationship with God. They
Speaker 1: would be in like a small little room that was
Speaker 1: often like an add on Galen too, are an adjacent
Speaker 1: to a church and they would have like a window
Speaker 1: that people could pass their needs back and forth through,
Speaker 1: but they would write about their religious experience, and often
Speaker 1: they had visions, and those are pretty fascinating. That's the
Speaker 1: really fun part of the medieval era for me. You
Speaker 1: also have a passion for Star Wars. That is rabbit, rabbit,
Speaker 1: I think I like Star Wars, and I think I
Speaker 1: know something about Star Wars. You talk to Holly for
Speaker 1: five minutes and you realize you know nothing. Snow across
Speaker 1: my reference, across the streams, the nerds, and back and going, yeah,
Speaker 1: cross him, there we go. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: that in your other podcast or side podcast as you
Speaker 1: call it, and just how how did you get so
Speaker 1: fully enveloped in the Star Wars world? Do you mean
Speaker 1: how did I fall in love with it? Or how
Speaker 1: did I become part of that community? How did you
Speaker 1: become part of that community in such a big way.
Speaker 1: I have been around long enough that I was there
Speaker 1: when it all started. So the first Star Wars film
Speaker 1: came out on my sixth birthday, I was foolhardy enough
Speaker 1: to think my parents had had it made for me
Speaker 1: um and that like they were just letting other people
Speaker 1: watch and so, and of course, like every child that
Speaker 1: sees Star Wars for the first time, I just blew
Speaker 1: my brain open and and I just was in love. Um.
Speaker 1: I have a really ridiculous love of Grido. He's my
Speaker 1: Space bff. And then there was this dark period between
Speaker 1: those films and the prequels where there were all these
Speaker 1: people that loved Star Wars but didn't know how to
Speaker 1: find one another, and thankfully for the Internet, to the Internet,
Speaker 1: we did um. And then when the prequel started coming out,
Speaker 1: I ended up on a message board called the Force
Speaker 1: dot Net, which continues in in various iterations, and I
Speaker 1: ended up moderating their costuming section. And that's really how
Speaker 1: I started getting involved in the bigger community. And from
Speaker 1: then it just like I still have the same friends
Speaker 1: I have from that message board twenty years ago. My
Speaker 1: my best friend on Earth I met through that, and
Speaker 1: she met her husband on the same message board. Like
Speaker 1: it's a really special thing. I think when you love
Speaker 1: something with that level of rabies and you haven't found
Speaker 1: your tribe and then you suddenly find them online, it's
Speaker 1: it's like the It's like drinking water when you've been
Speaker 1: walking the desert for days and if you have a
Speaker 1: George Lucas story I want to tell. But I want
Speaker 1: to if you've met George and what has your interaction
Speaker 1: been with him. I haven't met him. My co host
Speaker 1: on Phil of Sith, Brian Young has, and he's you know,
Speaker 1: busy in Chicago being a dad again and just hanging
Speaker 1: out and making you know, he's still making films just
Speaker 1: for himself that will never be shown. He's going the
Speaker 1: Prince route, which is fascinating to me. Yeah. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people at lucasvillem I wrote
Speaker 1: briefly star Wars dot Com like a decade ago, so
Speaker 1: I still have a lot of friends there. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: I if you ever get the chance to tour Lucasfilm,
Speaker 1: do it because it's magical. So it was in San
Speaker 1: Francisco and I used to do a radio show in
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Um and his daughter listened to our show.
Speaker 1: So Katie, Katie, so I got. I took Katie to
Speaker 1: meet Alana's Morrisset. She was in concert, and backstage there
Speaker 1: is George and it's just the two of us in
Speaker 1: a room for like twenty minutes, and I tell him
Speaker 1: the story of you know, when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: my mom saved money to take us to Star Wars.
Speaker 1: We didn't have any money. Was it was a big deal.
Speaker 1: And then when the last movie came out, I was
Speaker 1: actually watched it at the ranch. They had a press event,
Speaker 1: and I called my mom and we cried on the
Speaker 1: phone because it was like, Oh, you made it, we
Speaker 1: made it, you know, this kind of thing. And I
Speaker 1: tell George the story and I'm so excited, and I
Speaker 1: think he's just gonna be blown away by it. And
Speaker 1: I have four pictures on my wall and all of
Speaker 1: them are George Lucas looking at me and rolling his
Speaker 1: eyes like that. Man has to hear so many stories
Speaker 1: like that because people are so you know, they have
Speaker 1: these these there's so much of an attachment to his
Speaker 1: work that he gets a million you know, people like
Speaker 1: me a day walking up and telling him how life
Speaker 1: changing he was. Oh yeah, I mean, he has the unfortunate,
Speaker 1: um luck of being an introvert that created something that
Speaker 1: everyone on Earth connects to in some way, which I
Speaker 1: feel so bad for him sometimes because I'm sure he
Speaker 1: would just like to go have a moment alone when
Speaker 1: he's out in the universe, out in the world, just
Speaker 1: doing his thing. But yeah, I mean I have immense
Speaker 1: respect for him. I love the fact, I don't know
Speaker 1: if everybody knows that when he sold Lucasfilm to Disney
Speaker 1: for what four point two billion dollars, he didn't keep
Speaker 1: that money. He donated all to cal Arts so that
Speaker 1: their film school could have like the best of everything.
Speaker 1: His philanthropy is inspiring to me almost as much as
Speaker 1: anything he's created. So Full of Sith is the other podcast.
Speaker 1: What do people get when they listen to that? Nerds
Speaker 1: talking about Star Wars um Yeah, I mean we Brian Young,
Speaker 1: who is one of my regular co hosts, also writes
Speaker 1: for Star Wars dot Com and he writes for Star
Speaker 1: Wars Insiders, so and his love is cinema of all kinds.
Speaker 1: So we do a lot of discussion about what inspired
Speaker 1: various things. There's a lot of Curasawa talk. As The
Speaker 1: Mandalorian is coming out later this year, which is a
Speaker 1: TV series. It's going to be on Disney plus um
Speaker 1: or as I like to call it to make it
Speaker 1: sound French Disney. They don't want me to do that.
Speaker 1: So that is very much inspired by spaghetti Western. So
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about those and where the roots
Speaker 1: are there for some of the things that are going
Speaker 1: on now. Um, and sometimes we'll just pick like a
Speaker 1: character and talk about how that character impacts the greater
Speaker 1: broader story. Yeah, we'll talk about all kinds of things,
Speaker 1: anything you might wonder about. We also do a show
Speaker 1: called Authentic History, which originally started as a joke for
Speaker 1: stuff you missed in history class, which was that on
Speaker 1: April Fool's Day, we thought it would be funny to
Speaker 1: do a piece of fiction as though it were real history.
Speaker 1: But because we get emails that say things like you
Speaker 1: say the word the wrong, we thought maybe our listenership
Speaker 1: wouldn't really be ready for that. So Brian and I
Speaker 1: took that idea and made a podcast out of it.
Speaker 1: So we are historians then talk about fake things like
Speaker 1: they're real. So we'll talk about the history of like
Speaker 1: the Battle of Naboo as though it were real and
Speaker 1: how the various military factions put their stuff together. Or
Speaker 1: I'm working on one now that will record this weekend
Speaker 1: that is about you. Baba and Zeneba, who, if you
Speaker 1: are a Miyazaki fan, are the two sisters in Spirited
Speaker 1: Away that are the sort of counterpoint, which is that
Speaker 1: drive that story and we're talking about them as though
Speaker 1: they're real people and they're like life stories and how
Speaker 1: they became at odds with one another. And the rule
Speaker 1: for that is that we can't make anything up. It
Speaker 1: all has to be based in the actual source material.
Speaker 1: And that becomes like a fun little side project. I
Speaker 1: just got done reading a history of the targe Arians
Speaker 1: and understand, and I was talking to somebody and as
Speaker 1: I'm telling them this stuff as if it was like
Speaker 1: in my mind, it is reel when John Snow got
Speaker 1: on a dragon. You don't understand that's a big deal
Speaker 1: when you the dragon chooses a targ Arian. But I
Speaker 1: just board half the room. There's maybe two game of
Speaker 1: throwing fans and know what I'm talking about before we end,
Speaker 1: because you know, we're in a room full of people.
Speaker 1: It is kind of weird when it live for me.
Speaker 1: I know you do live podcasts, we do, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Stuffy is a history class tour, so we get the
Speaker 1: benefit of having really great experiences meeting fans firsthand. And
Speaker 1: I love it, love it, love doing lives. There are
Speaker 1: more people in this room than have ever listened to
Speaker 1: my podcast, So thank you. You go. Deathload it later
Speaker 1: got past episodes. Um, beforehand, we always end with this thing.
Speaker 1: I'm a radio guy, so I like to do you know,
Speaker 1: radio benchmarks bits, funny things. This isn't that funny, but
Speaker 1: it's called three killer questions. And the first question I
Speaker 1: ask everyone is if you could listen to a podcast
Speaker 1: featuring anyone living or dead, or a combination thereof. Who
Speaker 1: would be on the podcast? Oh? Oscar Wild, Like, that's
Speaker 1: the easiest thing on earth, snarky and witty and historical.
Speaker 1: I love that man, Wow, yeah easy. Nobody else just
Speaker 1: Oscar Wild. I mean he could pontificate for a while,
Speaker 1: I feel like. But I mean, I would love to
Speaker 1: hear Queen Victoria doing but it has to be her
Speaker 1: real self, not Philip, not her royal self. That would
Speaker 1: be fun. Do you mean Albert? I mean Albert? Yeah? Sorry,
Speaker 1: but that wouldn't be great because Albert was kind of quiet,
Speaker 1: So I don't know how well that would play. Is
Speaker 1: there is there any truth to the whole Prince Albert
Speaker 1: in a can the piercing? No, no, come on there,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm asking you. You're the history person.
Speaker 1: Question number two, what is the one piece of technology
Speaker 1: that when you first got it. You said this right
Speaker 1: here is life changing for me. We Yeah, the idea
Speaker 1: that you could be that interactive with your gaming was delicious.
Speaker 1: And now I mean when I get to do VR stuff.
Speaker 1: If you guys have ever gone to one of the
Speaker 1: Void centers where they do like a VR experience, it's magical. Really,
Speaker 1: I've not done that. Run and do it right now.
Speaker 1: They have a Star Wars one obviously dork dom um
Speaker 1: and a new Star Wars one is coming, but they
Speaker 1: also have a wreck at Ralph one right now, which
Speaker 1: I love Reckord Ralph so um. It's the most fun, silliest, wonderful.
Speaker 1: You feel like a complete train wreck of a human
Speaker 1: because you're watching your hand and you're standing there doing
Speaker 1: this just because you're Everybody looks like they're high, because
Speaker 1: you do spend a lot of time just going on
Speaker 1: and maybe they are are moving because you're moving, but
Speaker 1: you're seeing your hand in the VR world. It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love the way they put this together.
Speaker 1: The people that run it are great. They pay me
Speaker 1: nothing to say this. I just really love the Void
Speaker 1: You're taking me. Next time I'm in Atlanta. In Atlanta,
Speaker 1: we don't come to l A. You have twos we
Speaker 1: do come to l A. Finally, what's the last podcast
Speaker 1: that you binged? Personally? Oh? What's the tea with Rupaula Michella?
Speaker 1: I love them together. Well. My husband calls it church
Speaker 1: because he's like, it's always very uplifting and you leave
Speaker 1: feeling like spiritually cleansed and like you're in a better place.
Speaker 1: So he'll be like, oh, are you going to listen
Speaker 1: to your church on this drive? I'm like I am.
Speaker 1: It's just fantastic and I love it. Well, thanks for
Speaker 1: coming on Access my great pleasure. I mean, I would
Speaker 1: talk with you till the cows come home, and then
Speaker 1: we'll talk to the cows anyway. So this is just
Speaker 1: an extension of of fun times with Maddie for me.
Speaker 1: And can I just say thank you to the City
Speaker 1: of Boston, go Berlin's those Celtics. I won't say, go
Speaker 1: Red Sox. I'm an Ages fan. All right, Thanks everybody
Speaker 1: for coming out and thanks for listening to Access podcast. Goodbye.
Speaker 1: All right, that was fun and live. You thought the
Speaker 1: audience was pretty big there, didn't you. Yes, I wasn't there,
Speaker 1: so when I was listening to it, it sounded like
Speaker 1: you're in a mall with hundreds and hundreds of people.
Speaker 1: It was about four people. By the way, I'm talking
Speaker 1: now to our producer, Morgan Morgan High, Hi, Hello, Maddie.
Speaker 1: Just like with the interview that just jumped into thing.
Speaker 1: We were there to do kind of a panel discussion
Speaker 1: for all kinds of people for w b Z in Boston,
Speaker 1: and then we got to do the live podcast, and
Speaker 1: I was kind of shocked at how I'm always shocked.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't I do anything live that anybody's that interested in
Speaker 1: what I have to say? That people so up? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were great, and they were It was a great
Speaker 1: audience and it was a great time. And Holly is
Speaker 1: a delight. She's I don't want to say that she's
Speaker 1: my favorite person in the house, stuff works office because
Speaker 1: other people might get upset, so I won't say it,
Speaker 1: yeah okay, and they'll just say you won't say it.
Speaker 1: I won't say it, Okay. I love Holly. So anyway,
Speaker 1: we have got three podcasts that you should listen to
Speaker 1: and Binge just binge them Binge a podcast I just
Speaker 1: binge one from Wondering the Psychiatrist next Door. I think
Speaker 1: I've heard of that one it's all right, it's good,
Speaker 1: but it beings worthy. Everything Wondering makes is very binge
Speaker 1: doable because they just know how to They know how
Speaker 1: to tell a story and leave off on another story
Speaker 1: like that Wondering. They're so good. Anyway, I want you
Speaker 1: to tell me about some podcasts. Yes, so, first one
Speaker 1: I have for you today is going to be called
Speaker 1: The History Chicks. And this History Chicks me about the
Speaker 1: History Chicks. I don't know a thing about them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's hosted by some women and they introduce you to
Speaker 1: the female characters in history, either factual or fictional. Some
Speaker 1: that we've heard of, something we haven't. But they give
Speaker 1: us a little introduction, an overview, and they encourage you
Speaker 1: to explore more on your own about these women in history.
Speaker 1: Oh that's fantastic. I'm a history nut. I read a
Speaker 1: book about Mary, who was the sister of Anne Boleyn.
Speaker 1: People don't know that King Henry had an affair with
Speaker 1: her first and had a baby by her. It's called
Speaker 1: The Other By. They had a movie out of it too.
Speaker 1: But that's a good book. But anyway, so let's check
Speaker 1: out a clip of it right now. Today we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about Joan of Arc, the Maid of Orleans,
Speaker 1: one of the patron saints of France. She's credited with
Speaker 1: turning the tide in the Hundred Years War, saving France
Speaker 1: from English domination. One of the really neat things about
Speaker 1: General Arc is all the information of her life is
Speaker 1: still exists, so we know a lot more about her
Speaker 1: life as a child and her life up to her
Speaker 1: death than we know about Anne Boleyn. History chicks, Hicks.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to that, all right, what else she got? Alright?
Speaker 1: Next up, I have the way I heard it. It's
Speaker 1: with Micro, my friend, a really long time friend. Micro.
Speaker 1: How awesome. I've known Mike for twenty years almost, that's funny.
Speaker 1: I had no clue he did Evening magazine in San
Speaker 1: Francisco when I did the morning show at Alice Radio,
Speaker 1: and I even had a time where we pretended the
Speaker 1: show got fired and I put Mike on in the
Speaker 1: morning and everybody freaked out, just like yeah, uh and Mike.
Speaker 1: I remember when Mike did his first demo for Dirty
Speaker 1: Jobs and showed it to me and the people at
Speaker 1: CBS didn't like it, and he was like, no, this
Speaker 1: is going to be something, and it was good for him.
Speaker 1: Mike's the best he is. He is everything you want
Speaker 1: him to be in real life. Really, he's exactly the
Speaker 1: same in real life as he is when he's doing
Speaker 1: his shows. He is a fantastic human being, an upstanding person.
Speaker 1: You know, I kind of had that feeling when I
Speaker 1: was listening to his podcast because I've only seen him
Speaker 1: on Dirty Jobs. But now he has this podcast called
Speaker 1: The Way I Heard It, and it just, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you kind of get more of an idea of him
Speaker 1: as a person. But more about this podcast. It's the
Speaker 1: average episode length with this one is interesting to me.
Speaker 1: It's only ten minutes. So if you say, hey, I
Speaker 1: don't have enough time to listen to these podcasts, this
Speaker 1: is the one for you. What he does is he's
Speaker 1: singing his teeth into the little known back stories of
Speaker 1: famous people, companies, events, all these things in history. So
Speaker 1: he takes ten minutes, he'll dive into the history of
Speaker 1: it and make us curious for more. All right, let's
Speaker 1: hear the sultry sounds of Microw as always. Julia began
Speaker 1: with a plan. When construction ended. Three decades later, Bill's
Speaker 1: family campground had been transformed into one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: three acres of gardens, terraces, pools, and walkways, a zoo
Speaker 1: filled with exotic creatures, and in the center of it all,
Speaker 1: a new home with one hundred and sixty separate rooms
Speaker 1: designed by the homemaker. He's got the kind of voice
Speaker 1: that when I started in radio, I was convinced I
Speaker 1: never make it because everyone sounded like him, not as good.
Speaker 1: He's he's exceptional, but yeah I could. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't have that voice. Yeah, And it is fun
Speaker 1: to like sit in a room in here. Mike and
Speaker 1: I used to drink together and not not you know,
Speaker 1: just after work we go have a beer or two together,
Speaker 1: and gosh, he's the guy you want to have a
Speaker 1: beer with and have him tell your story. Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's I really like Mike. Alright, what's you got? Alright?
Speaker 1: Another cool guy, Dan Carlin and hardcore history. I don't
Speaker 1: know how cool Dan Carlin is, but his show is
Speaker 1: his show is pretty phenomenal. Show's cool. Alright. So he's
Speaker 1: a winner of the I Heart Radio Podcast Award for
Speaker 1: the Best History Podcast. So I have to mention this
Speaker 1: should be the best history podcast ever made. I'm such
Speaker 1: a fan of his and the work he does on
Speaker 1: his podcast, but tell people who don't know about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So if you don't know Dan Carlin, he's a journalist
Speaker 1: and a broadcaster. But in this podcast he takes his
Speaker 1: unorthodox way of thinking and he applies it to the past.
Speaker 1: So he asked all these crazy questions. For an example,
Speaker 1: was Alexander the Great as bad as a Adolf Hitler?
Speaker 1: You know, things that are like what? But he'll take
Speaker 1: this unique blend of high drama and narration and twists
Speaker 1: and turns and puts it all on a podcast in
Speaker 1: a very long podcast. So his podcast come out like
Speaker 1: every four months because each one is almost six hours
Speaker 1: long sometimes because he does so much research into these things.
Speaker 1: So this is definitely not a podcast to jump into
Speaker 1: if you want to quick listen, but it is if
Speaker 1: you want to quality listen. Let's hear a little bit
Speaker 1: of it right now. Why didn't Adolf Hitler and the
Speaker 1: Nazis broadcast news end updates of what they were doing
Speaker 1: as part of the Final Solution while it was going on?
Speaker 1: I mean, why didn't they announced to the world through
Speaker 1: the Joseph Goebel's propaganda ministry that we set up these
Speaker 1: industrial killing facilities. But we'll work people to death first
Speaker 1: if they're strong and and explain. Listen, the last month
Speaker 1: we killed a hundred thousand more of these people, and
Speaker 1: we won't stop till they're all gone. Why didn't they
Speaker 1: do that? I have gone to sleep to that voice
Speaker 1: so many times. I can't tell you. Oh, I got
Speaker 1: to sleep to Dancarlin all the time. That's a great
Speaker 1: voice to go to sleeps back. Yeah, the series on
Speaker 1: World War One, if you can listen to that one,
Speaker 1: I tell everybody I think that's the That's a great
Speaker 1: one to start off with him, especially because I don't
Speaker 1: think a lot of people know a lot about World
Speaker 1: War One as they should, So go check that out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I learned a lot on that one. Good job, Morgan,
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, all right, thanks for giving us those suggestions,
Speaker 1: and thank you fine listener for tuning into Access Podcast
Speaker 1: the podcast about Podcast. Morgan Cook is our executive producer.
Speaker 1: I'm Maddie Stout. Want to thank Let's see who were
Speaker 1: thinking and I heard this week. I'm gotta thank Colna Burne,
Speaker 1: of course, well, thank Will Pearson, Well, thank Darren Davis.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna think Robin Berta Luci this week because
Speaker 1: she's been so great and kind and give us studios
Speaker 1: here at KFI and Oscar Romere Oscar. Let's give Oscar
Speaker 1: a shout out. Shout out, Oscar. I'm shouting everybody out today.
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. You can follow me on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram,
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