1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Attention Seattle in the Greater Pacific Northwest area. If you 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: are in town on January sixteen, you're hereby commanded to 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: go to the More Theater to see us Stuff you 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: should know. That's right. We are kicking off with Seattle, 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: all new material. We're super excited. You always turn out 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: for us. Tickets go on sale tomorrow for the January 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: six show. You can find out ticket info at s 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: y s K live dot com. Welcome to Stuff You 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: Should Know, a production of I Heart Radios, How Stuff 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: Works and Welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant right there. There's Jerry Rowland 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: right there. So that makes this Stuff you should Know 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: right comes. We can't top that. I was trying to 14 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: think a way to say welcome to the podcast in 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: Cockney rhyming slang. Can you make anyto my My brain 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: is so broken right now, I can't even try. Okay, good, good, well, welcome. 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: It's a good, good time to record a show. Exactly 18 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: are you gonna do some Cockney in here? Right? We 19 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: want to offend as many Londoners as we can. I 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: don't know, Just just channel a little Dick van Dyke. 21 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: Oh you know, yeah, the American doing a bad Cockney accent. Well, 22 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: I did recently rewatch The Limey, Yes, for Casey's Benefits. Yeah, 23 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: the great, great movie from Steven Soderbergh. I never seen it. 24 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: It's awesome, is it really? I mean, I know it's 25 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: like a classic and everybody loves it, but I mean 26 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: it's really that good. Huh yeah, because a lot of 27 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: people liked, Um, I don't know The Hangover? Well, how 28 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: would you? How would you like The Lie Me and 29 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: The Hangover? Same level? Yeah, they're the same movie almost 30 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: all right, it's weird. Well, then I've seen The Hangover, 31 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: so I don't need to see The lime The Limey 32 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: is great and Tarance Stamp is awesome in it and 33 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: uses some Cockney rhyming slang and one great scene. My 34 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: big exposure to Cockney rhyming slang is block Stock in 35 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: Two Smoking Barrels Snatch, which I think are both directed 36 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: by Guy Ritchie Right was in lock Stock like his 37 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 1: first attempt, and Snatch was the one that like got 38 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: him married to Madonna. You're a fan of Hits, Yeah, 39 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: I mean as much as I like his movies, I 40 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: don't like him personally necessarily because he like hunts, bore 41 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: like a jackass, and yeah, like drunk with his friends 42 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: in the most disrespectful way of murdering a pig. I 43 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: mean his movies. But yeah, I do like his movie. 44 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: It sounds like he's a creep too. I'm not going 45 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: to go on record saying that, but yeah, uh yeah, 46 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: those movies are okay. And then I guess what's his name, 47 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: don Cheatle a little bit in Oceans eleven. Sure, he 48 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: did a little bit of that, right, And I mean 49 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: like it's it's code to Americans, it's oh, there's like 50 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: a criminal, a British criminal. That's all that means these days. Yeah, 51 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: I think so. In movies, it's definitely like all of 52 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: those are criminal criminal people in the moment, they're like, 53 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: you know, kind of slick, cool criminals that like wear 54 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: leather coats and stuff like that, not not dumb criminals 55 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: that were like football jerseys or anything like that. They're like, 56 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: you know, smooth criminals. That's I think what I was 57 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: looking for. But um, this this idea of associating it 58 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: with Cockney is not necessarily associating it with criminals. It's 59 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: more associated with like um, lower class, working class, less educated, 60 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: definitely not the aristocracy over in Britain or the upper class. 61 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: And that by by speaking with a Cockney accent, or 62 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: more to the point, using Cockney rhyming slang, you could 63 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: really differentiate yourself too as a point of pride, like 64 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: you were speaking like your group. You're in group, which 65 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: was at the time Cockney. But the big surprise to 66 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: all this is it's really possible and even probable that 67 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't then that came up with this rhyming slang, 68 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: that it was somebody else altogether. Maybe who knows? Should 69 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: we say what it is? No, not for the rest 70 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: of the podcast, Cockney rhyming slang. It wasn't even very 71 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: clearly defined in this piece. Okay, did you think it was. 72 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: It's in there, Okay, you gotta just kind of separate 73 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: the wheat from the chaff. So it is a two 74 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: word phrase. It is a slang phrase consisting of two words. 75 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: Were the last word of that phrase rhymes with the 76 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: original word. And it can be And I think the 77 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: best way to do this is just to throw out 78 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: of you keep describing, well, the two word phrase. It 79 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: can be. It can be a lot of things. That 80 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: can be a person's name, it can be just something random, 81 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: could be a place, could be a place, it could 82 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: be a lot of things. It can be anything. Yeah, sure, 83 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: I guess it can be. But shall we illustrate it through. Well, 84 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: there's a second part to it too, Okay, the second part, 85 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,559 Speaker 1: and this is very important. The two word phrase that 86 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: you're using to that were the second word rhymes with 87 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: the word you're actually saying. Yeah, the original word, the 88 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: original word thank you, usually has nothing to do with it. 89 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: There's no metaphor, there's no connection, there's no nothing, there's 90 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: no there's no context to it. It's supposed to just 91 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: be random or in most cases it is just random words, right, 92 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: one of which rhymes with the word you're replacing. And 93 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: to further complicate things, in a lot of cases, and 94 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: no one knows why, sometimes this happens, and sometimes it doesn't. 95 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: A lot of times that one of the words of 96 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: the two word phrases dropped and then you're just left 97 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: with the one word, which doesn't even rhyme with the 98 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: original word anymore. Right, that's I mean, that's probably the 99 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: best description of cockney rhyming slaying anyone's ever given, So 100 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: I think we should illustrate it with a couple of examples. 101 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: I've hold some from from something called the Internet. Um. 102 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: Here here's one, the tip and tet. That's how long 103 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: it took me to come up with that tip and 104 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: tet for Internet. But in ten years it'll just be 105 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: called the tip. I'm gonna log onto the tip. So 106 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: let's say your word was and this was the Ocean's 107 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: eleven specifically, trouble is the word that you're trying to say. 108 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: Cockney rhyming slang for trouble is Barney rubble. Awesome. Um, 109 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: And so you would say you're making a bit of 110 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: the Bonnie rubbleed again right when somebody that was kind 111 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: of um, who was that making a bit of Bonnie rubble? 112 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: Not the CE? I already did it wrong? No, but 113 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: I think that's not like a real person to an 114 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: American for sure. Oh yeah, Um, I can't, I can't. 115 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: I'll shout it out later. Man, I finally did a 116 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: good one. We just I just don't know who. But 117 00:06:55,200 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: it wasn't a Cockney person, okay. Uh. Other example, um, 118 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: for queen, um, they would use the term baked bean 119 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,119 Speaker 1: looks on TV it's the baked bean, and that's the queen. 120 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: Or in the case of one that's been dropped, what 121 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: is ed used here? Bees and honey. That one is 122 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: not dropped for money, okay, but which one was? Apples 123 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: and pairs for stairs? Right, So you would say I'm 124 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: gonna go up the apple and stairs apples and pears? 125 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: Oh man, let me retake this. Everybody. You would say, 126 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to go up the apples and pears to 127 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: go get my wallet to pay for this pizza or 128 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: something to that effect. Okay, But then over time people 129 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: dropped the pears, and so now the word for stairs 130 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: in Cockney rhyming slang is just apples, which, if you're 131 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: just standing there on the outside like a normal American 132 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: bloke by the way, he means person. Um, you have 133 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: no idea why this person just called stairs apples. You 134 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: got what they were saying, because the context is there, 135 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: You're going up the apples to get your wallet to 136 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: pay for the pizza. But why would you just say that? 137 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: Did you did you hit your head? Is there something 138 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: wrong with you? What's the problem? Why would you just 139 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: call that apples? That's why it's so confounding. But the 140 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: great thing about cockney rhyming slang, and in particular the 141 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: great thing about researching cockney rhyming slang, did you learn 142 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: how you get from apples two stairs and then it 143 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: makes sense? Sometimes yeah, that's true. It's not always yeah, 144 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: sometimes there's uh, it's it's not documented, which Ed points 145 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: out is one of the problems. Sometimes you can draw 146 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: the line, the through line, but because it's not documented, 147 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: and sometimes these things take years and years to morph 148 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: into its final version unless you're unless you're you know, 149 00:08:53,280 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: on the on the door now on the streets, than 150 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: you wouldn't know. But I don't know what streets is. 151 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: You can't just make stuff up, Like there's real words 152 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: on the drums and beats on the drums, right, but 153 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: they probably have a word for streets. Like that's the 154 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: whole point. You can't just make anything up, but you 155 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: could if it hasn't been taken yet. Sure. But also 156 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: that's the other thing about cockney rhyming slang is it 157 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: evolves right so old celebrities that that no one even 158 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: knows about any more, followay to new celebrities whose name 159 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: also rhyme with you know, whatever word you're saying, right, 160 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,599 Speaker 1: I thought you meant old celebrities who maybe used to 161 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: talk this way, like Michael Caine. No, he's never said 162 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: any rhyming slang in his life. Of course, you got 163 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: to see the movie Alfie. Maybe that's who it was. 164 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: It might have been Michael Kane. I don't think that 165 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: Michael Kane. I think it was as a matter of fact, yea, 166 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: thank you, I'm glad you did it. Noel always says 167 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: a good joke is to say Michael Caine in the 168 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: correct accent, say the words my cocaine, and it sounds 169 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: like Michael Caine saying it. Then it sounds like the 170 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: correct accent for Michael Caine. Right, Uh, my cocaine. Well, 171 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: don't you just blew that one out of the water. 172 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: You could have set me up in the future. Now 173 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: you haven't my cocaine. Well, there's I've got it two 174 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: ways now, man, here's the thing, my cocaine. That's my cocaine. 175 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: It's pretty good, Michael Caine, it is good. You're right. No, 176 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: you just gotta say it the right way and not 177 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: like a robot. Josh. So here's the one of the 178 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: things that sort of confounding. If you want to look 179 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: up a uh, like a glossary and say, well, here's 180 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I'm gonna learn Cockney rhyming slang. So 181 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: for my trip to England, I'm really you know, I'm 182 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: really in with everybody. First of all, bad idea. Second 183 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: of all, it's it can be very localized and the 184 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: accents are all different. Yeah, so even people in London 185 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: who both who all use people in London don't really do. 186 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: But the people who use Cockney rhymings lang in London 187 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: might not even agree on what word is means what. 188 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: I'm just picturing all the people walking around England laughing 189 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: their artists off. I can't wait to get to that 190 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: one as we stumble through this. Um Yeah. Ed had 191 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: a really good example of why there's no um codification 192 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: of the Cockney rhyming slang. He said that when people 193 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: are creating a language, especially informal ones like slang, they 194 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: don't write it all down. Quote, dear Diary referred to 195 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: my house as a cat and mouse today because it rhymed. 196 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: We all had a good laugh. Might try just calling 197 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: it cat tomorrow and see how it goes. It is. 198 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: It sounds funny, but that's that's how it works. Can 199 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: you imagine stumbling across the diary that? Um. And here's 200 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: the other thing too, is there are cases where there 201 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: is a little bit of a reflection and of the 202 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: original word. And the example that it gives here is twist. Yeah, 203 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: like to call a woman a twist, which I don't 204 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: know if that's a derogatory or not, or just some 205 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: weird slang that no one uses anymore. I don't think so, 206 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: although I don't know. So. Yeah, these are also the 207 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: people who use the C word like it's nothing. We 208 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: can't fanny, Oh man, I can't wait to go back there, 209 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: which we're gonna do soon, is right, I'd love to 210 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: do maybe? Yeah? All right. Uh so twist came from 211 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: twist and twirl, which meant girl, which is uh they 212 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: were talking about like dancing with a girl twisting and 213 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: twirling in a nightclub. Let's say, so there's some connection 214 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: in that way. Yeah, so girl ended up becoming twist, 215 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: So that sort of makes sense. There's another one called 216 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: on your Todd after a guy named Todd Sloan, and 217 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: it means on your own right, And the thing is, 218 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: it's like on your Todd, it makes sense. Sloan rhymes thone. 219 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to have any connection, but that one 220 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: actually does because Todd Sloan was a famous jockey in 221 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century. Yes, what other kind is there? Oh? Yes, sure? 222 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: Um so his book, his memoir, was called Todd Sloan 223 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: by himself, which is weird to refer to yourself in 224 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: third person for your memoir, But there was a line 225 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: in it that apparently east End east Enders in London 226 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: like really picked up. I was left alone by those 227 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: I never ceased to grieve for. It's so like the 228 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: idea of being alone or on your own became synonymous 229 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: with Todd Sloan. His names has happened to rhyme with that. 230 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: So it's one of those rare ones where there is 231 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: a connection to it, and also rare chuck, and that 232 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: this is a nineteenth century horse jockey and still today 233 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: on your Todd is recognized as on your own, whereas 234 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people probably have no idea exact from 235 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: who he is. And when that happens that frequently that 236 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: person gets moved out for potentially another celebrity another word, 237 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: that's a little more understandable to recognize another new jockey 238 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: to people today, Right, Yeah, exactly, which can you name one? Nope, nope. Um, 239 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: all right, maybe we should take a break and we'll 240 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: talk about some of the other uh some other examples 241 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: after this message. Okay, we're back. Jerry just opened the 242 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: loudest sandwich in the history of the world. She's like, 243 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: hold on a minute. And it sounded like it was 244 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: in a space blanket. It was like Ernest opens a 245 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: sandwich over here. That was a good one, not as 246 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: good as part two. I saw that first one in 247 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: the theater. Yeah. So here's some other examples that have 248 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: Some of them have sort of aid over in England 249 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: and some of them have found their way. Like apparently 250 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: the term put up your dukes, I didn't Cockney rhyming slang, 251 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: so and I didn't write down where dukes came from, 252 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: but that's where it was originally a Cockney rhyming slang term. Yeah, 253 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: because so, um, you would think it had to do 254 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: with fists or something, dukes for fists. What didn't not 255 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: write that down? Okay, But but so that's another really 256 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: important point to say about cockney rhyming slang. It's frequently 257 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: rhyming slang based on slang. So the word it's replacing 258 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: is a slang word to begin with, So who knows 259 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: what the Duke's actually rhymed with at any point? Yeah, 260 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: that's a good point. So, uh, first of all, I've 261 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: never heard this blowing a raspberry. What have you heard 262 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: of that? Yeah? That's tooting out of your that What 263 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: I just did is as much blowing a raspberry is 264 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: actually farting. Oh really? Yeah? Okay, well I've heard of 265 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: giving someone a raspberry like that. Okay, that's the same thing. Yeah, okay, 266 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: Well apparently that's derived from raspberry tart slang for fart. 267 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing? It's pretty great? Yeah. Um, so that 268 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: one is one of the rare ones I love talking 269 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: about exceptions. Do you know that? Um, that's one of 270 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: the rare ones that made its way to America because 271 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: everyone but you knows what blowing a raspberry is. I 272 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: guess I've never heard of the term blowing, but giving 273 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: someone a raspberry same thing. I found two more. One 274 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: is controversial. It's not set in stone, but it's as 275 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: good an explanation as any. Get down to brass tacks. 276 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: I saw that one too. That's a standing for facts. 277 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: Let's get down to the bare facts. Um, possibly it's not. 278 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: It's not done. Um. One that is a percent as 279 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: far as I can tell, is bread. I saw that 280 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: too for money in America, bread and honey became just bread, right, 281 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: and it caught on here and caught on again. Just now, 282 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: well bees in honey though, was also for money. Is 283 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: that just one of the local like depends on where 284 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: you are things, Yeah, okay, yeah, but in America, I mean, 285 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: you know we use bread. Everybody calls it bread. Yeah. 286 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know that that would come back. Yeah, somebody 287 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: wrote in to say it had come back. Let's get 288 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: this bread right, I guess. So that's familiar. You need 289 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: to spend more time on Reddit. Uh. Here's another one. 290 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: Dog and bone stands in for phone, call me on 291 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: the dog and bone. Uh. And then Ed says there 292 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: may be some kind of correlation between one syllable words 293 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: that lead off that phrase, um staying in the phrase, 294 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: But I don't there's so many exceptions. I don't know 295 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: if there is a rule exactly. And I think that's 296 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: really this is worth saying. We looked all over the place. 297 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: I know ED did too, for straight up linguistic dissertations 298 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: and papers on Cockney rhyming, slane, it's not there. It's 299 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: just treated as fun and hilarious, even though it is 300 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: its own made up language. It's ever evolving, still alive, 301 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: has been around. We'll talk about the history of a 302 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: minute for a hundred and fifty plus years, but apparently 303 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: no linguists has ever thought enough of it to to 304 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,959 Speaker 1: sit down and write a genuine paper about it. So 305 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: we couldn't find that. But the one thing that really 306 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: occurred to me was in looking into it. I don't 307 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: know if it could ever be explained. I think it's 308 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: the result of so many individual decisions and then collective 309 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: agreements to take up and go along with those decisions, 310 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: and those agreements can be totally undermined by a new 311 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: individual decision that catches on that. How could you possibly 312 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: map and even understand all or explain all of that 313 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: different stuff? But even though we can't explain it, once 314 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: you start to learn how it works, it's understandable. So 315 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: you can't explain, but you can't understand it. Yeah, And 316 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: it's like I always wonder with any kind of slang 317 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: or like who who makes the stuff up? Who sets 318 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: the rules? It's probably just the kind of thing that 319 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: just starts on a playground and spreads from there and 320 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: gets codified unofficially. Uh, then everyone's using it, but I 321 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: wonder if they're I don't know. You can't trace this stuff, 322 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: which is sort of frustrating as researchers, because I think 323 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: we like to pinpoint things. Yeah, but it I mean 324 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: people have tried to trace it and they've come awfully close. Well, 325 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: we'll get to that in a minute. I want to 326 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: go over some more of these. I want to get 327 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: up on my plates and get out of here your meat, 328 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: your plates of meat, plates of meat, which his feet 329 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: or between podcast you probably have to go take a rattle, Yeah, 330 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: rattle and his rattle and hiss like a snake. You 331 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: got it? And that means peep exactly. And then should 332 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: I guess we should talk about ours? Yes, that's the 333 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: one you were pretty excited about. Yes, because it goes 334 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: even so much farther than our Stephen. Yeah, it's pretty convoluted. Okay, 335 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: you want to take it? No, go ahead? So urs 336 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: the very famous name for ass in the UK. Everybody 337 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: knows that it's actually it comes from Aristotle, which you're like, well, 338 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: what does that have to do with ass well. Let 339 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: me tell you Aristotle is Cockney rhyming slang for bottle. Again, 340 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: the question is what does that have to do with 341 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: ass well. Originally the Cockney rhyming slang word for ass 342 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: was bottling. Glass became shortened to bottle. Somebody came along 343 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: and rhymed Aristotle with it. That got shortened to aris, 344 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: and then to ours. It goes even further than that. 345 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: I saw one plaster for ours, plaster of Paris, Paris, Aristotle, bottle, 346 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: bottle and glass. Ass That's how deep the Cockney rhyming 347 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: slang has covered up the collective ass of the UK. Yeah, 348 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: and again it's like why you can't You can't put 349 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: that in a book and explain in it in any 350 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: kind of way that makes sense. You gotta do it 351 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: on a podcast or a paper. You just have to 352 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: accept it. It's like, that's how it happened on the street. 353 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: I think that's a really good way on the streets 354 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: to the east end right right in your cocaine, No, 355 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: not your cocaine. Uh. They do have for all that 356 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: we're saying about how don't look at glossaries and stuff 357 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: like that, they do have dictionaries that you can buy. 358 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: If you're a total square, I would guess it's probably 359 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: not a good thing to do. That's like saying, you know, 360 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: I want to become a rapper, so let me get 361 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: a rhyming dictionary. Although I did have a rhyming dictionary 362 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: at one point. Well, rhyming it's not, you know, just 363 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: limited to Cockney. We love to rhyme, Yeah, which is 364 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: one assertion d makes for why it's popular so long lasting. Well, 365 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: should we talk about some of the theories on where 366 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: it originated? Because I looked in a bunch of places 367 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: and I don't think I mean, I think calling it 368 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: theory is a little um. I think they kind of 369 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: know where it came from. They just don't know exactly why. 370 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 1: They can't pinpoint it to like on this day, on 371 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: this in this place. But it's not a complete mystery though. No, 372 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: they've got it basically localized to about a one and 373 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: a half mile area of London and basically down to 374 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: the year. It's just exactly where and exactly who is 375 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: and exactly why are the real outstanding questions, which is 376 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: actually a lot of questions. Yeah, one of the one 377 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: of the wise was that, uh, and this one I 378 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: think doesn't have as much credence now, but it's like 379 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: the most common one, right is that you will hear 380 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: that it was coded language created by criminals to keep 381 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: the cops confused as to what was going on, which 382 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: makes sense in one way because it certainly could cause confusion, 383 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: but it also um and I think it makes a 384 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: pretty good point that like, were they like, were cops 385 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: just hanging around overhearing things like why did they feel 386 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 1: like they needed to create this whole langue? Which and cops, 387 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: if they were street cops would have figured this stuff 388 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: out as well, you know, because it wouldn't have been 389 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: that big of a secret. Yeah, there's this guy named 390 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: Dick Sullivan who wrote an essay on the Victorian Web 391 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: which is actually kind of cool. Um, And he said 392 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,479 Speaker 1: the the street cops would have come from the same 393 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: areas and families and neighborhoods that the criminals would have, 394 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: so they would have been raised on this rhyming slang anyway. 395 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: So it doesn't really hold up to scrutiny when you 396 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: when you look at it like that it was a 397 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: intentionally created coded language meant to confuse the cops, right, then, 398 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: that's not to say it nevertheless wasn't associated with some 399 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: kind of criminal underworld East London types. Yeah, and it 400 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: almost certainly was taken up by the Cockneys, but it 401 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily Cockneys or criminals who came up with this 402 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: rhyming slang. To begin with. There's this guy named John 403 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: Camden Hotton, and he wrote one of the better titled, 404 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: or at least most directly titled books I've ever heard of, 405 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: And there's no colon, No, there's not. There are a 406 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: couple of commas though, a dictionary of modern slang, cant 407 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: and vulgar words used at the present day in the 408 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: streets of London, and he he has a chapter on 409 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: rhyming slang, and he basically says that it was two 410 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: groups shaunters and patterers, basically traveling salesman who would stand 411 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: on street corners and hawk their wares and you know, 412 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: maybe pick your pocket while you were trying to buy 413 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: something from them, and that they came up with Cockney 414 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: rhyming slang. Yeah, and I saw that enough to think 415 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: that that's probably true. Yeah. The shaunters in particular spoken 416 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: like singing rhyming language, so it would have been pretty 417 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,479 Speaker 1: quick evolution. Yeah, I think this one makes a lot 418 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: of sense. Um street criers, I mean England and London 419 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: especially says as a long tradition of street corner parkers 420 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: and things like this. I remember seeing one myself when 421 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: I traveled there in the nineties and I was like, 422 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: they're still doing this stuff. It was like a box 423 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: in the park where you can go stand on it 424 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: and soapbox. Uh maybe, I mean that's where that came from, 425 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: right probably, and uh and just you know, shout your piece, sure, 426 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,959 Speaker 1: and it's all guy doing it, And I thought, what 427 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: year is this? This is wonderful, it's fantastic. But the 428 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 1: in particular the Shaunters, they sang and then sold penny 429 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: ballads sheet music of penny ballads that they would write 430 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: real quick after somebody famous died or there was a 431 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: train wreck or something, they'd write a ballad about it 432 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: and then be out in the corners selling these things. 433 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: But because they were singing in rhymes and sing song, 434 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: it's a really good bet that these guys were the 435 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: ones who originated rhyming slang. But um not necessarily for 436 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: any kind of uh intentionally coded language, because that same guy, 437 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: Dick Sullivan says there's no reason for patterers who sold 438 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: their you know, little gee galls or trinkets or whatever. 439 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: I love that word um or shaunters who were selling 440 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: selling these penny ballads. They worked alone. Was no need 441 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: for them to come up with a coded language communicate 442 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: with one another, yeah, in front of a customer who 443 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: they were ripping off. Because they didn't need to communicate 444 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: with one another in front of customers. Well, I saw 445 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: that maybe they, you know, could communicate with each other 446 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: when customers were around or something. I don't know, right. 447 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: But the other part of that is that it supposedly 448 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: flies in the face of how slang develops, that it's unintentional, 449 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: Like you don't say, let's come up with a coded 450 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: language and here's how it works. Yeah, even like American 451 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: teenagers when they have slang that their parents don't understand, 452 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: Like you remember how that stuff went. It was something 453 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: you just heard. You never sat around. Sure, I'm hip 454 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: to that and said, you know, like, hey, let's use 455 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: this other word that our parents won't know what it means. 456 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: You know, we'll call it pepsi when we're on the phone. Uh. 457 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: There was also the Victorian back slang which that was 458 00:26:54,600 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 1: not Cockney rhyming slang. That was just pronouncing words backwards. Uh, 459 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: sort of simple like job for boy. Yes. But something 460 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: interesting about that is that it's based on the spelling, 461 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: not the pronunciation, right, which suggests a strong degree of literacy, 462 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: which you would probably not have found among at least 463 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: the patterners, probably among the shaunterers because they were writing 464 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: songs and ballads, so it's possible they came up with 465 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: that too, but they think maybe it was Butcher's and 466 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 1: Butcher's assistants who came up with back slang. Yeah, and 467 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: actually to confused customers are to be able to talk 468 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: about what price they should charge a customer in front 469 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: of the customer. So there is like you take all 470 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: these different pieces and you get the current idea and 471 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: story for Cockney rhyming slang, but it's actually a bunch 472 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: of different stuff that wasn't really all connected until later on. Yeah. 473 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: What it probably also was not was Irish stock workers. 474 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: There was one theory being bandied about that Irish stock 475 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: workers would come over and they would speak in this 476 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: made rhyming slang. Uh, So you know, they could just 477 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: talk among their Irish peers and the people of London 478 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't understand them. Not much of this makes any sense 479 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: at all because they don't. I think now you see 480 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: it some in Ireland. But um, for all those years 481 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: that it was prevalent in London, it was not in Ireland. 482 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: Right unless they literally just made it up when they 483 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: came over from Ireland. Right. Plus why would they not 484 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: to speak Irish in front of the English? Might not 485 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: speak it? Yeah? Or what would that be Gaelic? Uh? Sure, 486 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: I think So we're getting so much of this wrong. 487 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: Do you want to take a break in fact check 488 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: everything and maybe just rewind and start over. Yeah, let's 489 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: let's get our weight what was? Facts are our brass tacks. 490 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: Let's right, So we gotta go get our brass stright. 491 00:28:46,560 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: That's right. Okay, we're back. It's been about thirty minutes 492 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: since we left you guys. Um fact checked everything and 493 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: so far, so good. Yeah, this is a perfect podcast. 494 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: So you said at the beginning, you teased out that 495 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: it might not even have been Cockney to begin with. 496 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: Everything I saw kind of placed it in that uh, 497 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: that east. I think they call it cheap side um 498 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: where the Cockneys were, But Cockney was also I mean 499 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: it's also not necessarily specifically at one place, right. No, 500 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: But if you're talking about Cockney people, supposedly the definition 501 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: of a Cockney person is someone who's born within hearing 502 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: distance of the bells of St Mary le Beau in Cheapside, um, 503 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: which was in London. What this guy John Camden Houghton, 504 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: who was writing in eighteen sixty and placed the um 505 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: play the origin of rhyming slang twelve to fifteen years before. 506 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: So this guy was like on top of it as 507 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: it was happening. Um. He placed it at a place 508 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: called Seven Dials, which is like a big market place 509 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: and I think still is, which is a mile and 510 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: a half away from Cheapside, which at the time was 511 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: in Westminster at the time of different town. So you 512 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: had city of London and then Westminster, which is where 513 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: Seven Dials was. So if you're if you believe Hotton, 514 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: then it wasn't the Cockney at all who came up 515 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: with that. It was just patterers and Shawn Tours. That's 516 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: a different word than I said. No, Shawn Tours, well 517 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: Cockney has uh. What that is though, is just sort 518 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: of the working class I think used to be viewed 519 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: as uneducated sort of lower class. Um. That may be 520 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: a bit harsh, but if anything, it was not the 521 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: upper crust of British society. Uh, you know the pub 522 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: the hard drinking pub goers, the rubb a dub dub goers. 523 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: Is that pubs? Yeah, which is another exception because you 524 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: go from one one syllable pub to rub a dub 525 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: dub and it actually has three rhymes in there. But 526 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: that is Cockney rhyming slang for pub. Well. But the 527 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: Cockneys were also known for a bit more of progressive politics, 528 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: and I think nowadays there can be a bit more 529 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: of a of a pride of like a working class 530 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: pride associated with it. I think there was back then too, 531 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: was there? But I think that's one reason also why 532 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: the Cockney accent and Cockney rhyming slang in particular was 533 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 1: um just treated shabbily and looked down on, you know, 534 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: by the rest of England, right, because it was supposedly, 535 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: you know, associated with lower classes. Yeah, it also found 536 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: its way to Australia, isn't that right? And then uh, 537 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: somehow on the West coast of America, Um, where the 538 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: Australian version came in. Yeah, and the prisons of the 539 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: West Coast. In the US, it was called Australian rhyme slang. 540 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: So I guess some cool guy from Australia showed up 541 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: and was speaking in Gibberish. That just made everyone think 542 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: I want to do this too, right. It's kind of 543 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: fun to go on YouTube though and see some of these, 544 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: you know, because it's such a big thing in England. 545 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: It's been all over the BBC. I watched one episode 546 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: of the Two Ronnie's where this priest at a sermon 547 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: and Cockney rhyming slang. It was very funny and one 548 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: of those sort of you know, eighties I guess it 549 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: was eighties early eighties. BBC comedies are always fun, you know. 550 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: The production value is not all there. The laugh track 551 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: is it had to have been a laugh track. I 552 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: don't think it was a studio audience, although it may 553 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: have been. I don't know. It was hard to tell. 554 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: That's so that's during the transition. But there were other shows, 555 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: uh Not On Your Nelly and The Sweeney, and the 556 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: titles of both of those shows come from actual Cockney 557 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: rhyming slang as well. Yeah. The Sweeney is particularly dense. 558 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: It's short for Sweeney Todd, which was rhyming slang for 559 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: flying squaw, which is a particular branch of the Metropolitan Police, 560 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: kind of like Major Case. So the Sweeney was like 561 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: the Major Case division of Metropolitan Police. So Nellie comes 562 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: from the word Nellie Duff, the name Nellie Duff, which 563 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: is apparently just a nonsense name, and that rhymes with puff, 564 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: which means life. So not on your Nellie means not 565 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: on your life. Clearly, it's so dense. And then of 566 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: course things like you mentioned the guy Richie really brought 567 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: it into the American consciousness in the nineties when he 568 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: made those two movies, and he brought into my consciousness. 569 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. Yeah. Sure. So there's a really 570 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: good question, Chuck, that I think we need to ask. 571 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: How is it that in two thousand nineteen you and 572 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: I are analyzing a hyperlocal slang that came out of 573 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: the eighteen forties in you know, some very specific part 574 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: of London, Like, how how is Cockney rhyming slang still 575 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: around after all this year, all these years, when so 576 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: much other slang has come and gone over the years 577 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: that we have no idea ever even existed. What's the 578 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: staying power of Cockney rhyming slang. Do you expect me 579 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: to have an answer. I don't have one about why 580 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: it's stuck around other than people. You know, if people 581 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: don't still use it, then it would have fallen by 582 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: the wayside. So clearly it's popular. Yeah, it seems to 583 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: have gotten and maybe this is just my recognition of it, 584 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: but it seems to have gotten more popular in the 585 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: last twenty years. What I was reading is that, especially 586 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: in the UK, it's popularity is based on kitcheness, you know, 587 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: kind of like chipster irony. Like the Cockney rhyming word 588 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: for wife is trouble in strife, So I imagine that 589 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: probably doesn't go over very well if you don't call 590 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: your wife that with a smile, like you're joking kind 591 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 1: of thing. So I think that's the that's the current 592 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: use of it, But I mean it's it was used 593 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 1: and it's still in use, and there's still new words 594 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: like um passion becks is the word for sex. Really 595 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 1: that's pretty new. Apparently Britney spears can be used for beers, 596 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: which is great, and I saw one um Nelson mandela 597 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: if you're getting a stella artois, Yeah, is a Nelson 598 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 1: Mandela for Stella. So the fact that it's still evolving, 599 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: still being contributed to new like these existing words are 600 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: being replaced with new ones. Um, and the fact that 601 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: it's a hundred and fifty years old. I mean, there's 602 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: got to be some thing to it that makes it 603 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: more more I think. I think it's that it's just 604 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: so hard to understand until someone explains it to you. 605 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: I think it's fun. I think it's a few fold. 606 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's uh, there is 607 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: a code to it, and part of the fun is 608 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,919 Speaker 1: that I think his friends maybe trying to make something 609 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: up and having it catch on. It's almost like a game, 610 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: like a word game. Yeah, bit, did you just go 611 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: a bit? And then um, the the unique britishness of 612 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: it all, Yeah, is has a lot to do with it. 613 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, because even though it got exported to Australia, 614 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: no one associates it with Australia. Sorry Australia. But if we, like, 615 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: if it really took off in America with hipsters, people 616 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 1: in Britain would probably be like, forget it. It's flowing 617 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: the it's flow, well, what is flowing the coop? What 618 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: could you say, for Coop, it's on the gwynethan the goop, 619 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: so the Gwyneth, it's flowing the Gwyneth. Okay, we'll see that. 620 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: One might catch on. They can do this all day. 621 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: Some of them aren't so good, but other ones are gems. 622 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: The why of it all though, to begin with, I 623 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: thought was interesting. Um, I asked you why, and you 624 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 1: said you don't know. You said, why is it sticking around? 625 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: I mean, why did it start to begin with? And 626 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,439 Speaker 1: I think, you know, it makes a pretty good point 627 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 1: that they're just rhyming, period is all. He has been 628 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: a thing, even in the States, and he uses examples 629 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: like see you later, alligator after a while, crocodile, Like 630 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: I remember saying that when I was a kid, I 631 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: just said that yesterday. Did you really see you later, alligator? 632 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: There's just something about it. Maybe it's the child like 633 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: nature of it that's fun. It makes old people feel 634 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: young again. Yeah, it's I mean, like it takes something 635 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 1: boring and adds a little flare to it, you know, 636 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: or like Yiddish, like a fancy shmancy people say that 637 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: kind of stuff all the time. I never associated it 638 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: with Yiddish, but it's absolutely is, isn't it. I think so. 639 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: I mean not outright Yiddish, but uh Yeish culture, I 640 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: think so. Um, But yeah, it is strange. It is 641 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: strange that it started to begin with, and like I 642 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: wish there was a definite like person zero that we 643 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: could point to, and you know, on the streets of 644 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: London and someone thought it was funny and then they 645 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,720 Speaker 1: told two friends and so on and so on. Richie 646 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: Ritchie started it, and POTSI and Ralph Mouth took it 647 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 1: from there and it just kept spreading like wildfire. You 648 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: got anything else? Yes, I found a two thousand twelve 649 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: survey by the Museum of London and uh, it's set 650 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: off a bunch of articles about how Cockney Ryman's slang 651 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: is dying. But if you read the article, it says 652 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: that respondents believed it was dying, which means six don't 653 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: believe it's dying. So yeah, and then they go on 654 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: to talk about how there's all these you know, new 655 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: words that are being replaced and added. So I don't 656 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,720 Speaker 1: think it's going anywhere. I think it's usage is become 657 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: more ironic and everything, but it's still like most most 658 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: Britains still understand porky pies means lies like, don't tell 659 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: me any porkies, give it to me straight. Well, I 660 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: think it was good we were able to sit here 661 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: and have a good rabbit and pork or torque. Apparently 662 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: rabbit and pork is talk. But oh, that was one 663 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: other thing the studying this. There's reasons people study this. 664 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 1: It gives you a window into the past. For example, pronunciations, yes, 665 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: so farthing used to be um a Camden, well farthings 666 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: like a quarter penny that they don't use anymore, but 667 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: it used to be called it Camden after Camden gardens, 668 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,879 Speaker 1: which tells linguists if they would get off their dust 669 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: and study this thing that um, they used to pronounce 670 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: farthings as fardens. Oh, interesting, or at least it's something 671 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,280 Speaker 1: that rhyme closely to gardens. But that's why people study 672 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: this allegedly. Amazing. Well, if you want to know more 673 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: about Cockney rhyming slang, get yourself a great Cockney rhyming 674 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: dictionary and go to England and just start talking up 675 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: the storm. They love. They can't get enough. They'll treat 676 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 1: you like one of their own. That's right. And since 677 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:53,720 Speaker 1: we said that it's time for listener mate. Uh, Satanic Panic. 678 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: We just re release that as a Saturday Select. I 679 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: think that was Was that one of your picture one 680 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: of mine? I don't know, I'm not sure, but it was. 681 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: It was a good pick for October. One of our 682 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: favorite episodes I think of all time, and we got 683 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,399 Speaker 1: a lot of people emailing again about it after listening 684 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: to it for the first time. Hey, guys, listen to 685 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: say Tanna Panic and realize. I had a story about that. 686 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: I grew up in a suburb of California. By the 687 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: teenage years, I've become what you might call goth. Were black, spike, jewelry, 688 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: dark makeup, and all that stuff. My town had a 689 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: ten pm curfew, and one night when I was fourteen, 690 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: my friends and I were walking home after curfew got 691 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 1: pulled over by the cops. They questioned and searched us, 692 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 1: then called the parents, except for mine. I'm not sure why, 693 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: but the officer insisted on driving me home. Once there, 694 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: he also demanded to come inside my home. I was 695 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 1: too scared to argue, so I let him in. He 696 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: went to my bedroom. This is getting creepy. I was 697 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: really worried about where this was headed. He went to 698 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: my bedroom, which is full of posters of Marilyn Manson 699 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: in the Crow and stuff like that, and he started 700 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 1: going through my things. What he told me he was 701 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: concerned because Satanists are out there, and then if I 702 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: wasn't careful, I'd find myself sacrificed. He told me there 703 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 1: were rituals and barns that require virgins, and I should 704 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: rethink my lifestyle before I got raped or hurt. I 705 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: thanked him for his concern, and I quietly said everything 706 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: nice that I could to get him out of my 707 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: house before he woke up my father situation. This happened 708 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 1: in two thousand. After hearing your episode today, it's hard 709 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,399 Speaker 1: to believe that the residue that the Satanic panic would 710 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: still be around then, especially in the police force. Just 711 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: to be clear, the suburb I lived and had very 712 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: little crime, so the officer was very surprising. Indeed, my 713 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: boys and I love your show. I recommend it to 714 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: everyone that is from Lisa g Really something, Lisa, I know, 715 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: kind of disturbing. Yeah, like I don't I don't know 716 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 1: if that cop was a good guy. I don't know. 717 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: It started to go down a pretty creepy road there. 718 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 1: It really did. Yeah, maybe he was just looking for 719 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: some pod or something coming up with a cover story. 720 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: I gotta get in your room and go through your stuff. 721 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: You've got any weed? Yeah? Really? I was relieved to 722 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: know that it just ended in the coup leaving, but 723 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: I agreed you went above and beyond and not in 724 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: a good way. Right. Well, thanks a lot Lisa and 725 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,879 Speaker 1: Glade that you made it through that and that you 726 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: and your boys are listening to Stuff you Should Know. 727 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: Could you get any cooler? I don't think so. 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