Speaker 1: Welcome back to Drill. I'm Amy Westervelt. Today we continue
Speaker 1: our series on the criminalization of environmental protest, the real
Speaker 1: free speech threat. In this episode, we head to Australia
Speaker 1: with reporter Lyndall Rollins, who's been reporting on how anti
Speaker 1: protest laws swept Australia. Australia is a unique context for
Speaker 1: a few different reasons. It's a major fossil fuel economy,
Speaker 1: parterially with coal and now with gas. It's also a
Speaker 1: place where the media is heavily influenced by industry money,
Speaker 1: thanks in large part to the fact that Rupert Murdoch
Speaker 1: owns a large percentage of it. And it's a place
Speaker 1: where people voted last year overwhelmingly for a government that
Speaker 1: would do something about climate. It's really interesting to examine
Speaker 1: the criminalization trend in that context, and Lyndall's done some
Speaker 1: excellent reporting on that front over the last year. Here
Speaker 1: she is with that story.
Speaker 2: That's the sound of an activist at the Art Gallery
Speaker 2: of Western Australia spray painting and artwork with the logo
Speaker 2: of fossil fuel giant woodside. The painting was protected by
Speaker 2: clear plastic, unlike the Indigenous rocket threatened by Woodsides activities barely.
Speaker 3: One hundred years old.
Speaker 4: We have five fifty thousand year old art loot that
Speaker 4: Woodside is destroyed.
Speaker 2: That's Speladong nungar Man Desmond Blatin. This is big.
Speaker 4: I play my respects for my honors and my ancestors.
Speaker 4: As I stand here today, I am artwork that a
Speaker 4: sacred to our people is being destroyed.
Speaker 2: He's explaining how Woodside's plans to expand its sparrop gas
Speaker 2: project at Murdruga could see ancient paintings that have survived
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of years disappear.
Speaker 4: Onside Patrol is the largest fossil fuel project in Australia.
Speaker 4: They are destroying ancient burg of the RockA. We demand.
Speaker 5: No industry on the bar.
Speaker 4: We must protect our cultural heritage an artwork.
Speaker 2: Now, by expanding the Borough Gas project with junior gas
Speaker 2: fields at Brows and Scarborough, Woodside is planning to emit
Speaker 2: an estimated six billion tons of carbon dioxide emissions. Analysis
Speaker 2: from climate advocacy group Clean State says this would make
Speaker 2: the Borough Hub Australia's most polluting fossil fuel project ever.
Speaker 2: After a recent merger with mining giant PHP, Woodside is
Speaker 2: now the biggest fossil fuel company in Australia.
Speaker 6: Now this merger has expanded our portfolio and extended our
Speaker 6: global reach, including a significant office in Houston, but Woodside
Speaker 6: remains a proudly Australian company.
Speaker 2: That's Meg O'Neil. She's the CEO of Woodside and she
Speaker 2: was addressing the National Press Club of Australia earlier this year. Yes,
Speaker 2: she has an American accent.
Speaker 7: Our guest today is Mego O'Neil.
Speaker 8: Before she joined Woodside, make's career took her around the
Speaker 8: globe as head of EXAM Mobile in Africa, and.
Speaker 2: Neil previously worked for ex and Mobile in Norway and
Speaker 2: Canada before becoming its Vice President of African Development. She
Speaker 2: used her speech to outline how Woodside plans to continue
Speaker 2: expanding fossil fuel projects in Australia.
Speaker 6: We want to develop new projects in Australia across both
Speaker 6: hydrocarbons and new energy opportunities, but that will only be
Speaker 6: possible if the policy settings provide the certainty to underpin
Speaker 6: those long term investments.
Speaker 2: Although O'Neil used her speech to argue the Australian government
Speaker 2: should allow Woodside to build new projects with billions of
Speaker 2: tons of carbon emissions. Is in'neil's comments on environmental activists
Speaker 2: that attracted national headlines.
Speaker 6: A vocal minority wants to shut down the industry and
Speaker 6: the jobs and livelihoods that go with it. They have
Speaker 6: deep pockets and are using both protest action and the
Speaker 6: courts to create uncertainty and destabilize regulatory processes to frustrate
Speaker 6: both existing and new projects.
Speaker 2: O'Neil didn't provide any information to back up her claims
Speaker 2: that environmental activists in Australia have deep pockets, that they
Speaker 2: represent the views of a minority, or that their activism
Speaker 2: is somehow extremist.
Speaker 6: We certainly respect every Australian's right to express their opinion,
Speaker 6: and we absolutely share the commitment to decarbonization, but extremism
Speaker 6: is not the answer.
Speaker 2: Yet, despite the apparently fairly significant implications of calling people extremist,
Speaker 2: journalists at the National Press Club also didn't probe what
Speaker 2: had prompted O'Neil to reach this conclusion. Floods and fires
Speaker 2: are getting worse in Australia, so it might sound strange
Speaker 2: that in the few short years since millions of people
Speaker 2: were breathing in bushwire smoke. One by one, the states
Speaker 2: around the country have been banning climate change protests. My
Speaker 2: name is Lindall Rowlins, and as you'll hear in this
Speaker 2: special series of Drilled, shifting the blame to environmental activists
Speaker 2: is another tactic the fossil fuel industry uses to delay
Speaker 2: climate action, and in Australia it's been working. But while
Speaker 2: it's important to report and why environmental activists in Australia
Speaker 2: have increasingly been experiencing fines, prison sentences, surveillance and negative
Speaker 2: media coverage, it's also important to note that this all
Speaker 2: helps to create a distraction from climate change itself and
Speaker 2: what we need to do about it. So before we
Speaker 2: dig into that story, I want to take you to
Speaker 2: a meeting organized by activists trying to save an old
Speaker 2: growth forest in my home state of Victoria. We'll head
Speaker 2: there after this quick break.
Speaker 3: Given these refuges higher elevation status, it may be one
Speaker 3: of the final places where species are able to survive
Speaker 3: in a warming climate, so it's very, very important.
Speaker 2: I'm at a meeting organized by activists who've spent the
Speaker 2: last few decades trying to save old growth forests in Australia.
Speaker 2: They're particularly focused on the Erinundra forest in southeastern Australia.
Speaker 9: Can the people who were part of that event Aeronunja
Speaker 9: blockade stand.
Speaker 3: Up if you're in the room, I know there's a
Speaker 3: few of you in here.
Speaker 2: Decades after their protests helped to save parts of this forests,
Speaker 2: it's now facing new threats.
Speaker 3: Can anyone who has done sturve am who threatens species
Speaker 3: in logging coops please stand up as well and.
Speaker 2: Stay standing Toughy Morovitz is welcoming people to the meeting
Speaker 2: and explaining why we're here.
Speaker 10: You can be.
Speaker 9: Antique protest laws coming through in May. These people may
Speaker 9: potentially face a year imprisonment or twenty one thousand dollars quarants.
Speaker 3: You can stand down.
Speaker 9: Now, sit down down.
Speaker 2: Three years ago, fires tour through parts of the forest
Speaker 2: that had previously been saved from logging.
Speaker 9: The forest faces impossible challenges with logging and climate change,
Speaker 9: as we saw with the blockade up with the Aeronandra plateau.
Speaker 9: Protest remains a critical tool to prevent immediate and irreversible harm.
Speaker 5: One there's one to knowledge the son people of this country.
Speaker 5: Good words we should general.
Speaker 2: So on a.
Speaker 10: Jager Corman a.
Speaker 2: Nation that's Madri Thorpe. Her traditional gun at Kerne lands
Speaker 2: include forests full of old greath trees and animals and
Speaker 2: birds that aren't found anywhere else on Earth.
Speaker 11: Sci working with and learning from who are wandering the
Speaker 11: forest for.
Speaker 2: Thorpe has been working with volunteer citizen scientists to monitor
Speaker 2: animals in the forests, activities that now could face fines
Speaker 2: of twenty one thousand dollars and up to a year
Speaker 2: in jail under new Victorian laws specifically banning them from
Speaker 2: entering parts of the forest.
Speaker 5: There's no saying in those forests, there's no insects, there's
Speaker 5: no small animals around.
Speaker 2: Although she now lives by the forest, Thorpe is no
Speaker 2: stranger to fossil fuels. Your lawn, the town where she
Speaker 2: was born no longer exists. It was dug up for
Speaker 2: coal not long after it was built.
Speaker 5: I was born in the light town of your and
Speaker 5: come home every day from work you shauls to sweep
Speaker 5: out the hole from the houses in the roofs. He
Speaker 5: died of sixty nine as a result of your health issue.
Speaker 2: Meg O'Neill, the CEO of Woodside, who makes more than
Speaker 2: four million dollars a year running a multi billion dollar
Speaker 2: company claims that environmental activists in Australia have deep pockets.
Speaker 2: But here Thorpe is talking to volunteers about ruffling off
Speaker 2: a chicken or two at the pub to help get
Speaker 2: the word out.
Speaker 12: So somehow, you know, go back to trip graffles or
Speaker 12: whatever you have to do to raise money, but never
Speaker 12: let money stand in your way of doing something.
Speaker 2: Sending volunteers who work with the colleges to get native
Speaker 2: animals to prison may seem like a strange priority, but
Speaker 2: the new state law is only one part of a
Speaker 2: wider response to environmental activism in Australia that started escalating
Speaker 2: while the country was still on fire. Heavy fines for
Speaker 2: activists who enter forests in Victoria aren't the only steep
Speaker 2: new penalties introduced by state governments in Australia in recent years.
Speaker 1: And let's got as Brisbane and protesters there could soon
Speaker 1: be thrown into jail.
Speaker 10: Protesters in Tasmania now face a year in jail.
Speaker 7: In New South Wales it's two.
Speaker 13: Years massive new penalties for blocking roads during a demonstration.
Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen, protests against a coal mine in the
Speaker 2: Australian state of Queensland were making international headlines. Indian billionaire
Speaker 2: Gortam Adani was planning to build a coal mine in
Speaker 2: Queensland's Galilee Basin and a train line to the city
Speaker 2: of Makaia, where the coal would be shipped out past
Speaker 2: the Great Barrier reef protests against the mine and even
Speaker 2: spread to India, where activists were accused of being under
Speaker 2: foreign influence for speaking up against an Indian company. At
Speaker 2: the same time, A Dani, a multinational Indian company, was
Speaker 2: not shy about lobby and governments in Australia to cut
Speaker 2: off Stop a Dani activist funding activists with the Stop
Speaker 2: a Dani movement tried to stop the train line from
Speaker 2: being built by chaining themselves to the tracks. In response,
Speaker 2: the Queensland Resources Council, a local industry trade group, backed
Speaker 2: new legislation called the Dangerous Attachment Devices Law. DELA claimed
Speaker 2: that the various types of chains, glue and locks activists
Speaker 2: had been using to attach themselves to mining equipment, roads
Speaker 2: and bridges were dangerous to both first responders and the
Speaker 2: activists themselves. It gave police not only the right to
Speaker 2: impose heavy fines and sentences on protesters arrested with these devices,
Speaker 2: but also to stop and search anyone suspected of having
Speaker 2: an attachment device on them without a war. The new
Speaker 2: powers alarmed you and human rights experts who put out
Speaker 2: a statement describing them as inherently disproportionate, But the Queensland
Speaker 2: Resources Council argued the laud didn't go far enough, and
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison, who was the Prime Minister of Australia at
Speaker 2: the time, was happy to lend his voice to that campaign.
Speaker 13: A new breed of radical activism is on the march
Speaker 13: apocalyptic in Tone Brooks. No compromise, all or nothing, alternative
Speaker 13: views not permitted.
Speaker 14: We know that the Queensland Resources Council, for instance, were
Speaker 14: very involved and supportive of their legislation in Queensland. We
Speaker 14: know that at the time Morrison got up and spoke
Speaker 14: to that organization and that's where you can see these
Speaker 14: linkages happening.
Speaker 2: This has Vanessa Boden, a sociologist at the University of Newcastle.
Speaker 14: As you see industry talk about how important it is
Speaker 14: to the economy and then representatives of government sort of
Speaker 14: get up and say that back to industry.
Speaker 2: But politicians, companies and industry bodies aren't the only ones
Speaker 2: recycling talking points about climate activism from country to country.
Speaker 2: In Australia, as in many of the countries we're visiting
Speaker 2: in this special Drilled series, right wing think tanks also
Speaker 2: do a lot of that work.
Speaker 1: That's particularly true.
Speaker 2: Of the members of a global network of libertarian think
Speaker 2: tanks called the Atlas Network. You'll hear a lot more
Speaker 2: about them next week, but for now it's important to
Speaker 2: understand that the Atlass Network grew out of a think
Speaker 2: tank called the Institute for Economic Affairs, started in the
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies in the UK by a guy called Anthony Fisher.
Speaker 2: Fisher and the IEA accredited with spreading the conservative ideology
Speaker 2: known as Thatcherism in the UK, and on the back
Speaker 2: of that success, Fisher went around the world studying copycat
Speaker 2: think tanks. Australia was one of his first stops.
Speaker 7: It was Fisher that really did the work of galvanizing,
Speaker 7: you know a capitalists to the cause of the need
Speaker 7: to have a new institute in Australia like the Ia.
Speaker 2: That's Jeremy Walker, a researcher and lecturer at the University
Speaker 2: of Technology in Sydney and one of the world's leading
Speaker 2: experts on the Outlass network.
Speaker 7: It was called the Center of Independent Studies and the
Speaker 7: founding brands for that came from the Murdoch Press, from
Speaker 7: Shell EhP Rio tinto ex On.
Speaker 2: Later on, after the Center for Independent Studies, half a
Speaker 2: dozen more conservative think tanks joined the Atlass network in Australia.
Speaker 2: These think tanks also provide a ready supply of commentators
Speaker 2: for Rupert Murdoch's Sky News Australia, where they regularly joined
Speaker 2: the hosts in villifying climate protesters. Here's Bella Debrera, She's
Speaker 2: a researcher from one of these think tanks, the Institute
Speaker 2: for Public Affairs or IPA, on Sky News Australia talking
Speaker 2: about an educational climate book she says was designed to
Speaker 2: terrify children.
Speaker 8: Everything from there, you know, from the minute that they
Speaker 8: get up in the morning to the minute they go
Speaker 8: to bed, is all about worrying about the fact that
Speaker 8: we're going to have an apocalypse.
Speaker 2: In another appearance on Sky News, she mockingly called Greta
Speaker 2: Tomberg a saint, before going on to describe climate activism
Speaker 2: as child abuse.
Speaker 8: Very surprising that Saint Greta is appearing on the front
Speaker 8: of the Legal Studies textbook I mean, climate change is
Speaker 8: one of the main religious tenants taught in schools these days,
Speaker 8: and we've talked about on your show before. You know,
Speaker 8: the climate change marches the sort of the terror that
Speaker 8: they're that they're filling children with, which is which is
Speaker 8: akin to sort of child abuse, really, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Writing think tanks and public relation firms have been accusing
Speaker 2: environmental activists of extremism since at least the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2: The characterization has become so common that it's even been
Speaker 2: questioned by UN Sexuary General Antonio Guterres.
Speaker 15: Climate activists are sometimes depicted as dangerous radicals, but the
Speaker 15: truly dangerous radicals are the countries that are increasing the
Speaker 15: production of fossil fools. Investing in new fossil full lips
Speaker 15: of structure is moral and economic madness.
Speaker 2: Cauterist says, building new fossil fuel infrastructure in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: three is moral and economic madness. Meanwhile, as we heard
Speaker 2: at the beginning of this episode, Woodside's Boroughpub glass project
Speaker 2: will not only omit billions of cubic tons of carbon dioxide,
Speaker 2: it will also potentially engage irreplaceable indigenous rock art. The
Speaker 2: gallery protests made international headlines, but activists have been protesting
Speaker 2: against the Boroughpub for years, and during that time they've
Speaker 2: also been followed around by Western Australia's counter terrorism Police.
Speaker 2: Counter Terrorism police regularly read the homes and officers of
Speaker 2: disrupt Borough Hub activists, as well as journalists who covered
Speaker 2: the protests. During the raids, the counter terror police spend
Speaker 2: hours combing through computers, phones and other personal belongings. All
Speaker 2: this surveillance explains why the disrupt Borough Phub activists who
Speaker 2: went to the beachside home of Woodside CEO Meg O'Neil
Speaker 2: in August this year say that counter terrorism police were
Speaker 2: already inside before the activists arrived.
Speaker 16: I never set foot on the property of Woodside CEO
Speaker 16: mago Neil, but was ambushed by Wilman a dozen counter
Speaker 16: terror police lying away from me.
Speaker 2: That was Matilda Lane Rose. She's nineteen years old and
Speaker 2: one of four disrupt Boroughhub activists arrested outside O'Neill's home.
Speaker 16: No one was ever in any danger because of this protest,
Speaker 16: and there was no possibility of anyone entering the house
Speaker 16: of the Woodside CEO except for does encounters terror police
Speaker 16: already inside the property. WA Police and the WA government
Speaker 16: are doing anything they can to stop this campaign communicating
Speaker 16: because we're getting the message out about the Barrett Hub
Speaker 16: I was doing a money good job of it, thank you.
Speaker 2: Four activists were charged with conspiracy to commit an indictable efense.
Speaker 2: Remember how earlier we heard O'Neill describing environmental activism as
Speaker 2: extremism at the National Press Club of Australia after the
Speaker 2: protest outside her home. This same wording was repeated by
Speaker 2: Rupert Murdocks, Sky News and the premiere of Western Australia
Speaker 2: Roger Cook.
Speaker 17: Woodside CEO. Mego O'Neil's family were terrified when climate extremists
Speaker 17: targeted her home during an aggressive protest on Tuesday morning.
Speaker 17: Mego O'Neil said in a statement that this was not
Speaker 17: a harmless protest. Such acts by extremists should be condemned
Speaker 17: by anyone who respects the law.
Speaker 2: Yet, despite O'Neill's description of the activists as extremist being
Speaker 2: repeated widely, accounts of what happened at O'Neill's home that
Speaker 2: morning differ. The activists have not been charged with trespass,
Speaker 2: only with the intent to commit an offense, and they
Speaker 2: say that counter terrorism police were already inside when they
Speaker 2: arrived outside O'Neill's home. O'Neill isn't just the CEO of Woodside,
Speaker 2: she's also the chair of the Australian Petroleum Production and
Speaker 2: Exploration Association or APR for short, an industry body whose
Speaker 2: members include some of the biggest fossil fuel companies based
Speaker 2: in Australia like Santos and Woodside, as well as some
Speaker 2: of the biggest fossil fuel companies in the world like
Speaker 2: BP Shell and O'Neill's former employer, ex and Mobile. A
Speaker 2: few weeks after O'Neill's press club address, APR opened its
Speaker 2: annual conference in Adelaide, South Australia, on Monday, the fifteenth
Speaker 2: of May. The conferences two principal partners were Woodside and
Speaker 2: ex and Mobile. On the fourth and final day of
Speaker 2: the conference, Thursday, the a eighteenth of May, South Australia's
Speaker 2: government suddenly rushed to introduce a new law.
Speaker 14: Protesters in South Australia could face three months in jail
Speaker 14: and a fifty thousand dollars fine under laws which have
Speaker 14: passed the state's lower house.
Speaker 2: Like Queensland three years earlier, South Australia's Labor government introduced
Speaker 2: the new legislation so quickly that legal experts say they
Speaker 2: had almost no opportunity to examine the potential human rights implications.
Speaker 2: In this episode, we've been looking at the criminalization of
Speaker 2: environmental protest and how it's been spreading around Australia. But
Speaker 2: that's not the only thing that's been spreading as climate
Speaker 2: change worsens. More and more climate change activists in Australia
Speaker 2: are speaking from personal experience, and.
Speaker 10: There was ash falling from the sky and leaves falling
Speaker 10: from the sky all over Greater Sydney.
Speaker 2: Sick smoke made outdoor protests more difficult in December twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: but that didn't acter student activists from gathering out. I'd
Speaker 2: then Prime Minister Scott Morrison's official residence in Sydney. David Shubridge,
Speaker 2: who was now a Federal Senator for the Greens, went
Speaker 2: to the protest with his youngest daughter and was one
Speaker 2: of the people arrested on the day.
Speaker 10: After about two hours of a standoff, they just lined
Speaker 10: up the riot squad and just marched them in. You know,
Speaker 10: I remember them performing together. Reminded me a bunch of
Speaker 10: sort of puffed up turkeys. They went and then went
Speaker 10: in and surrounded all these four kids and started arresting
Speaker 10: them and moving them on.
Speaker 2: Shuebridge was previously a representative in the New South Wales
Speaker 2: Parliament when new laws restricting protests were rushed through in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. At the time, large parts of the
Speaker 2: state were underwater. A group known as the Knitting Manners
Speaker 2: have launched a constitutional challenge the laws in New South
Speaker 2: Wales courts. After Scott Morrison's federal Liberal National Coalition lost
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two election, Australia now has a federal
Speaker 2: Labor government, which has also introduced a modest target of
Speaker 2: reducing emissions by forty three percent by twenty thirty. In Queensland, Victoria,
Speaker 2: Western Australia and South Australia, it's been labor state governments
Speaker 2: that have criminalized environmental protests. In New South Wales, Labor
Speaker 2: supported the new laws rushed through by the then Liberal
Speaker 2: government on the same night that many people's homes were
Speaker 2: under water.
Speaker 10: There's not a lot of self awareness in the state
Speaker 10: parliament about the kind of irony of putting in laws
Speaker 10: to arrest people for these minor you know, relatively minor
Speaker 10: inconveniences when the impacts of the climate crisis we're facing
Speaker 10: are causing not inconvenience, the loss of life, substantial loss
Speaker 10: of life, huge loss of property. I think the most
Speaker 10: recent floods created that the single largest insurance payout ever
Speaker 10: in Australia's history, billions and billions and billions of dollars.
Speaker 2: Scientists now say that the floods the news Whales's experience
Speaker 2: for two years after the catastrophic twenty nineteen and twenty
Speaker 2: twenty bush fires may have been made worse when the
Speaker 2: enormous amounts of smoke generated by those fires induced a
Speaker 2: three year Lannina. The La Nina finally lifted in March
Speaker 2: this year, and many Australians are now bracing for hotter,
Speaker 2: drier conditions as summer approaches.
Speaker 18: Oh High Little, Sorry to disappoint, but I won't be
Speaker 18: getting to this national sustainability event because of my bail conditions.
Speaker 18: They're actually zooming me in, so I'll be a big
Speaker 18: face on the screen. But I hope that it works
Speaker 18: out well anyway.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find a time to talk to environmental activists.
Speaker 2: Violet Coco Is December twenty twenty two, and Violet is
Speaker 2: out on bail pending an appeal of a fifteen month
Speaker 2: prison sentence for a climate change protest that stopped car
Speaker 2: on the iconic Sydney Harbor Bridge.
Speaker 19: And so we're about to hit and El Nino again.
Speaker 19: We're about to go back into the fire season. We've
Speaker 19: just been in the web and now we're going to
Speaker 19: have fires oil over the country.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, Coco joined a group of activists,
Speaker 2: including a firefighter, and shutting down a lane of traffic
Speaker 2: on the bridge.
Speaker 19: Now, firefighters still don't have the tools that they need
Speaker 19: to protect us, and that's what I was on the
Speaker 19: bridge for. I was on the bridge for our firefighters,
Speaker 19: saying we need to be ordering this equipment now because
Speaker 19: the fire season is coming.
Speaker 2: She tells me she became more involved in climate activism
Speaker 2: after previous bushfires.
Speaker 19: The country was on fire and my sister was pregnant
Speaker 19: at the time and she couldn't leave the house because
Speaker 19: the smoke was toxic to her and the baby.
Speaker 2: In March this year, a judge overturned Violet's fifteen month
Speaker 2: jail sentence, but in her home state of New South Wales,
Speaker 2: a new law that imposes up to two years prison
Speaker 2: for stopping traffic remains in place. In the years since
Speaker 2: the fires, there have been less major street protests against
Speaker 2: climate in Australia, but activists have been organizing in new ways.
Speaker 2: People speaking out about climate change include the former captain
Speaker 2: of Australia's rugby team, who was elected as a senator
Speaker 2: after being arrested in a climate protest. In recent years, psychologists, firefighters, veterinarians, doctors,
Speaker 2: and even marketing professionals have been actively organizing around their
Speaker 2: profession's response to climate change as well. They include bushfire
Speaker 2: survivors who successfully sued the New South Wales Environment Protection Agency,
Speaker 2: and people living in suburbs that flooded along the Brisbane
Speaker 2: River who have adopted a community organizing approach that saw
Speaker 2: an unprecedented three Greens mpees elected to federal Parliament.
Speaker 19: I think it's important to recognize that we operate off
Speaker 19: social science as protesters, and what we're doing is activating
Speaker 19: what we call the appropriate response to the threat, and
Speaker 19: that's about shifting what we call the Overton window and
Speaker 19: the over wind though, is about the appropriate response. So
Speaker 19: what we want to do is keep shifting being as
Speaker 19: brave and courageous as we can to shift over into
Speaker 19: this appropriate response because the threat is massive and we
Speaker 19: need to have a response that is just as proportionate.
Speaker 2: Despite the fact that the police crack down on protests
Speaker 2: seems to be intensifying, activists like Cocoa and Thorpe are
Speaker 2: more confident than ever that their activism is necessary and important.
Speaker 11: The concern that I have as an older because it's
Speaker 11: not about my future, it's about future generations, and I
Speaker 11: think that's what we need to really put out the
Speaker 11: center here because anything is interconnected, and that's what our
Speaker 11: stories tell us.
Speaker 5: We don't just need to practice. We have to fight
Speaker 5: for this future.
Speaker 12: And if you stand up to do that, well, that's
Speaker 12: what we have to do to us up, lock us up,
Speaker 12: so we have to continue.
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