WEBVTT - In Australia, A State-By-State Approach to Criminalizing Climate Protest

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Drill. I'm Amy Westervelt. Today we continue

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<v Speaker 1>our series on the criminalization of environmental protest, the real

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<v Speaker 1>free speech threat. In this episode, we head to Australia

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<v Speaker 1>with reporter Lyndall Rollins, who's been reporting on how anti

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<v Speaker 1>protest laws swept Australia. Australia is a unique context for

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<v Speaker 1>a few different reasons. It's a major fossil fuel economy,

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<v Speaker 1>parterially with coal and now with gas. It's also a

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<v Speaker 1>place where the media is heavily influenced by industry money,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks in large part to the fact that Rupert Murdoch

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<v Speaker 1>owns a large percentage of it. And it's a place

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<v Speaker 1>where people voted last year overwhelmingly for a government that

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<v Speaker 1>would do something about climate. It's really interesting to examine

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<v Speaker 1>the criminalization trend in that context, and Lyndall's done some

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<v Speaker 1>excellent reporting on that front over the last year. Here

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<v Speaker 1>she is with that story.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the sound of an activist at the Art Gallery

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<v Speaker 2>of Western Australia spray painting and artwork with the logo

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<v Speaker 2>of fossil fuel giant woodside. The painting was protected by

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<v Speaker 2>clear plastic, unlike the Indigenous rocket threatened by Woodsides activities barely.

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<v Speaker 3>One hundred years old.

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<v Speaker 4>We have five fifty thousand year old art loot that

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<v Speaker 4>Woodside is destroyed.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Speladong nungar Man Desmond Blatin. This is big.

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<v Speaker 4>I play my respects for my honors and my ancestors.

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<v Speaker 4>As I stand here today, I am artwork that a

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<v Speaker 4>sacred to our people is being destroyed.

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<v Speaker 2>He's explaining how Woodside's plans to expand its sparrop gas

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<v Speaker 2>project at Murdruga could see ancient paintings that have survived

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<v Speaker 2>tens of thousands of years disappear.

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<v Speaker 4>Onside Patrol is the largest fossil fuel project in Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>They are destroying ancient burg of the RockA. We demand.

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<v Speaker 5>No industry on the bar.

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<v Speaker 4>We must protect our cultural heritage an artwork.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, by expanding the Borough Gas project with junior gas

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<v Speaker 2>fields at Brows and Scarborough, Woodside is planning to emit

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<v Speaker 2>an estimated six billion tons of carbon dioxide emissions. Analysis

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<v Speaker 2>from climate advocacy group Clean State says this would make

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<v Speaker 2>the Borough Hub Australia's most polluting fossil fuel project ever.

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<v Speaker 2>After a recent merger with mining giant PHP, Woodside is

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<v Speaker 2>now the biggest fossil fuel company in Australia.

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<v Speaker 6>Now this merger has expanded our portfolio and extended our

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<v Speaker 6>global reach, including a significant office in Houston, but Woodside

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<v Speaker 6>remains a proudly Australian company.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Meg O'Neil. She's the CEO of Woodside and she

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<v Speaker 2>was addressing the National Press Club of Australia earlier this year. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>she has an American accent.

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<v Speaker 7>Our guest today is Mego O'Neil.

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<v Speaker 8>Before she joined Woodside, make's career took her around the

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<v Speaker 8>globe as head of EXAM Mobile in Africa, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Neil previously worked for ex and Mobile in Norway and

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<v Speaker 2>Canada before becoming its Vice President of African Development. She

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<v Speaker 2>used her speech to outline how Woodside plans to continue

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<v Speaker 2>expanding fossil fuel projects in Australia.

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<v Speaker 6>We want to develop new projects in Australia across both

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<v Speaker 6>hydrocarbons and new energy opportunities, but that will only be

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<v Speaker 6>possible if the policy settings provide the certainty to underpin

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<v Speaker 6>those long term investments.

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<v Speaker 2>Although O'Neil used her speech to argue the Australian government

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<v Speaker 2>should allow Woodside to build new projects with billions of

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<v Speaker 2>tons of carbon emissions. Is in'neil's comments on environmental activists

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<v Speaker 2>that attracted national headlines.

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<v Speaker 6>A vocal minority wants to shut down the industry and

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<v Speaker 6>the jobs and livelihoods that go with it. They have

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<v Speaker 6>deep pockets and are using both protest action and the

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<v Speaker 6>courts to create uncertainty and destabilize regulatory processes to frustrate

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<v Speaker 6>both existing and new projects.

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<v Speaker 2>O'Neil didn't provide any information to back up her claims

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<v Speaker 2>that environmental activists in Australia have deep pockets, that they

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<v Speaker 2>represent the views of a minority, or that their activism

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<v Speaker 2>is somehow extremist.

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<v Speaker 6>We certainly respect every Australian's right to express their opinion,

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<v Speaker 6>and we absolutely share the commitment to decarbonization, but extremism

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<v Speaker 6>is not the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet, despite the apparently fairly significant implications of calling people extremist,

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<v Speaker 2>journalists at the National Press Club also didn't probe what

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<v Speaker 2>had prompted O'Neil to reach this conclusion. Floods and fires

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<v Speaker 2>are getting worse in Australia, so it might sound strange

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<v Speaker 2>that in the few short years since millions of people

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<v Speaker 2>were breathing in bushwire smoke. One by one, the states

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<v Speaker 2>around the country have been banning climate change protests. My

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<v Speaker 2>name is Lindall Rowlins, and as you'll hear in this

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<v Speaker 2>special series of Drilled, shifting the blame to environmental activists

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<v Speaker 2>is another tactic the fossil fuel industry uses to delay

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<v Speaker 2>climate action, and in Australia it's been working. But while

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<v Speaker 2>it's important to report and why environmental activists in Australia

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<v Speaker 2>have increasingly been experiencing fines, prison sentences, surveillance and negative

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<v Speaker 2>media coverage, it's also important to note that this all

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<v Speaker 2>helps to create a distraction from climate change itself and

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<v Speaker 2>what we need to do about it. So before we

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<v Speaker 2>dig into that story, I want to take you to

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<v Speaker 2>a meeting organized by activists trying to save an old

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<v Speaker 2>growth forest in my home state of Victoria. We'll head

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<v Speaker 2>there after this quick break.

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<v Speaker 3>Given these refuges higher elevation status, it may be one

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<v Speaker 3>of the final places where species are able to survive

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<v Speaker 3>in a warming climate, so it's very, very important.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm at a meeting organized by activists who've spent the

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<v Speaker 2>last few decades trying to save old growth forests in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>They're particularly focused on the Erinundra forest in southeastern Australia.

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<v Speaker 9>Can the people who were part of that event Aeronunja

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<v Speaker 9>blockade stand.

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<v Speaker 3>Up if you're in the room, I know there's a

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<v Speaker 3>few of you in here.

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<v Speaker 2>Decades after their protests helped to save parts of this forests,

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<v Speaker 2>it's now facing new threats.

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<v Speaker 3>Can anyone who has done sturve am who threatens species

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<v Speaker 3>in logging coops please stand up as well and.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay standing Toughy Morovitz is welcoming people to the meeting

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<v Speaker 2>and explaining why we're here.

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<v Speaker 10>You can be.

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<v Speaker 9>Antique protest laws coming through in May. These people may

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<v Speaker 9>potentially face a year imprisonment or twenty one thousand dollars quarants.

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<v Speaker 3>You can stand down.

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<v Speaker 9>Now, sit down down.

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<v Speaker 2>Three years ago, fires tour through parts of the forest

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<v Speaker 2>that had previously been saved from logging.

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<v Speaker 9>The forest faces impossible challenges with logging and climate change,

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<v Speaker 9>as we saw with the blockade up with the Aeronandra plateau.

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<v Speaker 9>Protest remains a critical tool to prevent immediate and irreversible harm.

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<v Speaker 5>One there's one to knowledge the son people of this country.

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<v Speaker 5>Good words we should general.

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<v Speaker 2>So on a.

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<v Speaker 10>Jager Corman a.

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<v Speaker 2>Nation that's Madri Thorpe. Her traditional gun at Kerne lands

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<v Speaker 2>include forests full of old greath trees and animals and

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<v Speaker 2>birds that aren't found anywhere else on Earth.

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<v Speaker 11>Sci working with and learning from who are wandering the

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<v Speaker 11>forest for.

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<v Speaker 2>Thorpe has been working with volunteer citizen scientists to monitor

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<v Speaker 2>animals in the forests, activities that now could face fines

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty one thousand dollars and up to a year

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<v Speaker 2>in jail under new Victorian laws specifically banning them from

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<v Speaker 2>entering parts of the forest.

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<v Speaker 5>There's no saying in those forests, there's no insects, there's

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<v Speaker 5>no small animals around.

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<v Speaker 2>Although she now lives by the forest, Thorpe is no

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<v Speaker 2>stranger to fossil fuels. Your lawn, the town where she

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<v Speaker 2>was born no longer exists. It was dug up for

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<v Speaker 2>coal not long after it was built.

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<v Speaker 5>I was born in the light town of your and

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<v Speaker 5>come home every day from work you shauls to sweep

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<v Speaker 5>out the hole from the houses in the roofs. He

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<v Speaker 5>died of sixty nine as a result of your health issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Meg O'Neill, the CEO of Woodside, who makes more than

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<v Speaker 2>four million dollars a year running a multi billion dollar

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<v Speaker 2>company claims that environmental activists in Australia have deep pockets.

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<v Speaker 2>But here Thorpe is talking to volunteers about ruffling off

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<v Speaker 2>a chicken or two at the pub to help get

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<v Speaker 2>the word out.

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<v Speaker 12>So somehow, you know, go back to trip graffles or

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<v Speaker 12>whatever you have to do to raise money, but never

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<v Speaker 12>let money stand in your way of doing something.

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<v Speaker 2>Sending volunteers who work with the colleges to get native

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<v Speaker 2>animals to prison may seem like a strange priority, but

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<v Speaker 2>the new state law is only one part of a

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<v Speaker 2>wider response to environmental activism in Australia that started escalating

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<v Speaker 2>while the country was still on fire. Heavy fines for

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<v Speaker 2>activists who enter forests in Victoria aren't the only steep

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<v Speaker 2>new penalties introduced by state governments in Australia in recent years.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's got as Brisbane and protesters there could soon

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<v Speaker 1>be thrown into jail.

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<v Speaker 10>Protesters in Tasmania now face a year in jail.

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<v Speaker 7>In New South Wales it's two.

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<v Speaker 13>Years massive new penalties for blocking roads during a demonstration.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty nineteen, protests against a coal mine in the

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<v Speaker 2>Australian state of Queensland were making international headlines. Indian billionaire

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<v Speaker 2>Gortam Adani was planning to build a coal mine in

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<v Speaker 2>Queensland's Galilee Basin and a train line to the city

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<v Speaker 2>of Makaia, where the coal would be shipped out past

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<v Speaker 2>the Great Barrier reef protests against the mine and even

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<v Speaker 2>spread to India, where activists were accused of being under

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<v Speaker 2>foreign influence for speaking up against an Indian company. At

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, A Dani, a multinational Indian company, was

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<v Speaker 2>not shy about lobby and governments in Australia to cut

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<v Speaker 2>off Stop a Dani activist funding activists with the Stop

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<v Speaker 2>a Dani movement tried to stop the train line from

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<v Speaker 2>being built by chaining themselves to the tracks. In response,

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<v Speaker 2>the Queensland Resources Council, a local industry trade group, backed

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<v Speaker 2>new legislation called the Dangerous Attachment Devices Law. DELA claimed

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<v Speaker 2>that the various types of chains, glue and locks activists

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<v Speaker 2>had been using to attach themselves to mining equipment, roads

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<v Speaker 2>and bridges were dangerous to both first responders and the

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<v Speaker 2>activists themselves. It gave police not only the right to

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<v Speaker 2>impose heavy fines and sentences on protesters arrested with these devices,

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<v Speaker 2>but also to stop and search anyone suspected of having

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<v Speaker 2>an attachment device on them without a war. The new

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<v Speaker 2>powers alarmed you and human rights experts who put out

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<v Speaker 2>a statement describing them as inherently disproportionate, But the Queensland

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<v Speaker 2>Resources Council argued the laud didn't go far enough, and

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Morrison, who was the Prime Minister of Australia at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, was happy to lend his voice to that campaign.

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<v Speaker 13>A new breed of radical activism is on the march

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<v Speaker 13>apocalyptic in Tone Brooks. No compromise, all or nothing, alternative

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<v Speaker 13>views not permitted.

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<v Speaker 14>We know that the Queensland Resources Council, for instance, were

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<v Speaker 14>very involved and supportive of their legislation in Queensland. We

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<v Speaker 14>know that at the time Morrison got up and spoke

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<v Speaker 14>to that organization and that's where you can see these

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<v Speaker 14>linkages happening.

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<v Speaker 2>This has Vanessa Boden, a sociologist at the University of Newcastle.

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<v Speaker 14>As you see industry talk about how important it is

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<v Speaker 14>to the economy and then representatives of government sort of

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<v Speaker 14>get up and say that back to industry.

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<v Speaker 2>But politicians, companies and industry bodies aren't the only ones

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<v Speaker 2>recycling talking points about climate activism from country to country.

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<v Speaker 2>In Australia, as in many of the countries we're visiting

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<v Speaker 2>in this special Drilled series, right wing think tanks also

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot of that work.

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<v Speaker 1>That's particularly true.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the members of a global network of libertarian think

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<v Speaker 2>tanks called the Atlas Network. You'll hear a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>about them next week, but for now it's important to

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<v Speaker 2>understand that the Atlass Network grew out of a think

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<v Speaker 2>tank called the Institute for Economic Affairs, started in the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventies in the UK by a guy called Anthony Fisher.

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<v Speaker 2>Fisher and the IEA accredited with spreading the conservative ideology

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<v Speaker 2>known as Thatcherism in the UK, and on the back

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<v Speaker 2>of that success, Fisher went around the world studying copycat

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<v Speaker 2>think tanks. Australia was one of his first stops.

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<v Speaker 7>It was Fisher that really did the work of galvanizing,

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<v Speaker 7>you know a capitalists to the cause of the need

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<v Speaker 7>to have a new institute in Australia like the Ia.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Jeremy Walker, a researcher and lecturer at the University

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<v Speaker 2>of Technology in Sydney and one of the world's leading

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<v Speaker 2>experts on the Outlass network.

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<v Speaker 7>It was called the Center of Independent Studies and the

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<v Speaker 7>founding brands for that came from the Murdoch Press, from

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<v Speaker 7>Shell EhP Rio tinto ex On.

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<v Speaker 2>Later on, after the Center for Independent Studies, half a

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<v Speaker 2>dozen more conservative think tanks joined the Atlass network in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>These think tanks also provide a ready supply of commentators

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<v Speaker 2>for Rupert Murdoch's Sky News Australia, where they regularly joined

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<v Speaker 2>the hosts in villifying climate protesters. Here's Bella Debrera, She's

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<v Speaker 2>a researcher from one of these think tanks, the Institute

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<v Speaker 2>for Public Affairs or IPA, on Sky News Australia talking

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<v Speaker 2>about an educational climate book she says was designed to

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<v Speaker 2>terrify children.

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<v Speaker 8>Everything from there, you know, from the minute that they

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<v Speaker 8>get up in the morning to the minute they go

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<v Speaker 8>to bed, is all about worrying about the fact that

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<v Speaker 8>we're going to have an apocalypse.

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<v Speaker 2>In another appearance on Sky News, she mockingly called Greta

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<v Speaker 2>Tomberg a saint, before going on to describe climate activism

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<v Speaker 2>as child abuse.

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<v Speaker 8>Very surprising that Saint Greta is appearing on the front

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<v Speaker 8>of the Legal Studies textbook I mean, climate change is

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<v Speaker 8>one of the main religious tenants taught in schools these days,

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<v Speaker 8>and we've talked about on your show before. You know,

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<v Speaker 8>the climate change marches the sort of the terror that

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<v Speaker 8>they're that they're filling children with, which is which is

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<v Speaker 8>akin to sort of child abuse, really, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Writing think tanks and public relation firms have been accusing

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<v Speaker 2>environmental activists of extremism since at least the nineteen eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>The characterization has become so common that it's even been

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<v Speaker 2>questioned by UN Sexuary General Antonio Guterres.

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<v Speaker 15>Climate activists are sometimes depicted as dangerous radicals, but the

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<v Speaker 15>truly dangerous radicals are the countries that are increasing the

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<v Speaker 15>production of fossil fools. Investing in new fossil full lips

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<v Speaker 15>of structure is moral and economic madness.

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<v Speaker 2>Cauterist says, building new fossil fuel infrastructure in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three is moral and economic madness. Meanwhile, as we heard

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<v Speaker 2>at the beginning of this episode, Woodside's Boroughpub glass project

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<v Speaker 2>will not only omit billions of cubic tons of carbon dioxide,

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<v Speaker 2>it will also potentially engage irreplaceable indigenous rock art. The

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<v Speaker 2>gallery protests made international headlines, but activists have been protesting

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<v Speaker 2>against the Boroughpub for years, and during that time they've

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<v Speaker 2>also been followed around by Western Australia's counter terrorism Police.

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<v Speaker 2>Counter Terrorism police regularly read the homes and officers of

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<v Speaker 2>disrupt Borough Hub activists, as well as journalists who covered

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<v Speaker 2>the protests. During the raids, the counter terror police spend

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<v Speaker 2>hours combing through computers, phones and other personal belongings. All

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<v Speaker 2>this surveillance explains why the disrupt Borough Phub activists who

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<v Speaker 2>went to the beachside home of Woodside CEO Meg O'Neil

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<v Speaker 2>in August this year say that counter terrorism police were

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<v Speaker 2>already inside before the activists arrived.

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<v Speaker 16>I never set foot on the property of Woodside CEO

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<v Speaker 16>mago Neil, but was ambushed by Wilman a dozen counter

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<v Speaker 16>terror police lying away from me.

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<v Speaker 2>That was Matilda Lane Rose. She's nineteen years old and

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<v Speaker 2>one of four disrupt Boroughhub activists arrested outside O'Neill's home.

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<v Speaker 16>No one was ever in any danger because of this protest,

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<v Speaker 16>and there was no possibility of anyone entering the house

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<v Speaker 16>of the Woodside CEO except for does encounters terror police

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<v Speaker 16>already inside the property. WA Police and the WA government

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<v Speaker 16>are doing anything they can to stop this campaign communicating

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<v Speaker 16>because we're getting the message out about the Barrett Hub

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<v Speaker 16>I was doing a money good job of it, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Four activists were charged with conspiracy to commit an indictable efense.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember how earlier we heard O'Neill describing environmental activism as

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<v Speaker 2>extremism at the National Press Club of Australia after the

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<v Speaker 2>protest outside her home. This same wording was repeated by

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<v Speaker 2>Rupert Murdocks, Sky News and the premiere of Western Australia

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<v Speaker 2>Roger Cook.

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<v Speaker 17>Woodside CEO. Mego O'Neil's family were terrified when climate extremists

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<v Speaker 17>targeted her home during an aggressive protest on Tuesday morning.

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<v Speaker 17>Mego O'Neil said in a statement that this was not

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<v Speaker 17>a harmless protest. Such acts by extremists should be condemned

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<v Speaker 17>by anyone who respects the law.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet, despite O'Neill's description of the activists as extremist being

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<v Speaker 2>repeated widely, accounts of what happened at O'Neill's home that

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<v Speaker 2>morning differ. The activists have not been charged with trespass,

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<v Speaker 2>only with the intent to commit an offense, and they

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<v Speaker 2>say that counter terrorism police were already inside when they

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<v Speaker 2>arrived outside O'Neill's home. O'Neill isn't just the CEO of Woodside,

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<v Speaker 2>she's also the chair of the Australian Petroleum Production and

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<v Speaker 2>Exploration Association or APR for short, an industry body whose

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<v Speaker 2>members include some of the biggest fossil fuel companies based

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia like Santos and Woodside, as well as some

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<v Speaker 2>of the biggest fossil fuel companies in the world like

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<v Speaker 2>BP Shell and O'Neill's former employer, ex and Mobile. A

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks after O'Neill's press club address, APR opened its

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<v Speaker 2>annual conference in Adelaide, South Australia, on Monday, the fifteenth

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<v Speaker 2>of May. The conferences two principal partners were Woodside and

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<v Speaker 2>ex and Mobile. On the fourth and final day of

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<v Speaker 2>the conference, Thursday, the a eighteenth of May, South Australia's

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<v Speaker 2>government suddenly rushed to introduce a new law.

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<v Speaker 14>Protesters in South Australia could face three months in jail

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<v Speaker 14>and a fifty thousand dollars fine under laws which have

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<v Speaker 14>passed the state's lower house.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Queensland three years earlier, South Australia's Labor government introduced

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<v Speaker 2>the new legislation so quickly that legal experts say they

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<v Speaker 2>had almost no opportunity to examine the potential human rights implications.

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<v Speaker 2>In this episode, we've been looking at the criminalization of

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<v Speaker 2>environmental protest and how it's been spreading around Australia. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's not the only thing that's been spreading as climate

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<v Speaker 2>change worsens. More and more climate change activists in Australia

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<v Speaker 2>are speaking from personal experience, and.

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<v Speaker 10>There was ash falling from the sky and leaves falling

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<v Speaker 10>from the sky all over Greater Sydney.

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<v Speaker 2>Sick smoke made outdoor protests more difficult in December twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>but that didn't acter student activists from gathering out. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>then Prime Minister Scott Morrison's official residence in Sydney. David Shubridge,

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<v Speaker 2>who was now a Federal Senator for the Greens, went

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<v Speaker 2>to the protest with his youngest daughter and was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the people arrested on the day.

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<v Speaker 10>After about two hours of a standoff, they just lined

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<v Speaker 10>up the riot squad and just marched them in. You know,

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<v Speaker 10>I remember them performing together. Reminded me a bunch of

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<v Speaker 10>sort of puffed up turkeys. They went and then went

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<v Speaker 10>in and surrounded all these four kids and started arresting

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<v Speaker 10>them and moving them on.

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<v Speaker 2>Shuebridge was previously a representative in the New South Wales

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<v Speaker 2>Parliament when new laws restricting protests were rushed through in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two. At the time, large parts of the

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<v Speaker 2>state were underwater. A group known as the Knitting Manners

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<v Speaker 2>have launched a constitutional challenge the laws in New South

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<v Speaker 2>Wales courts. After Scott Morrison's federal Liberal National Coalition lost

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty twenty two election, Australia now has a federal

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<v Speaker 2>Labor government, which has also introduced a modest target of

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<v Speaker 2>reducing emissions by forty three percent by twenty thirty. In Queensland, Victoria,

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<v Speaker 2>Western Australia and South Australia, it's been labor state governments

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<v Speaker 2>that have criminalized environmental protests. In New South Wales, Labor

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<v Speaker 2>supported the new laws rushed through by the then Liberal

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<v Speaker 2>government on the same night that many people's homes were

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<v Speaker 2>under water.

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<v Speaker 10>There's not a lot of self awareness in the state

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<v Speaker 10>parliament about the kind of irony of putting in laws

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<v Speaker 10>to arrest people for these minor you know, relatively minor

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<v Speaker 10>inconveniences when the impacts of the climate crisis we're facing

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<v Speaker 10>are causing not inconvenience, the loss of life, substantial loss

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<v Speaker 10>of life, huge loss of property. I think the most

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<v Speaker 10>recent floods created that the single largest insurance payout ever

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<v Speaker 10>in Australia's history, billions and billions and billions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Scientists now say that the floods the news Whales's experience

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<v Speaker 2>for two years after the catastrophic twenty nineteen and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty bush fires may have been made worse when the

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<v Speaker 2>enormous amounts of smoke generated by those fires induced a

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<v Speaker 2>three year Lannina. The La Nina finally lifted in March

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<v Speaker 2>this year, and many Australians are now bracing for hotter,

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<v Speaker 2>drier conditions as summer approaches.

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<v Speaker 18>Oh High Little, Sorry to disappoint, but I won't be

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<v Speaker 18>getting to this national sustainability event because of my bail conditions.

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<v Speaker 18>They're actually zooming me in, so I'll be a big

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<v Speaker 18>face on the screen. But I hope that it works

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<v Speaker 18>out well anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to find a time to talk to environmental activists.

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<v Speaker 2>Violet Coco Is December twenty twenty two, and Violet is

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<v Speaker 2>out on bail pending an appeal of a fifteen month

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<v Speaker 2>prison sentence for a climate change protest that stopped car

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<v Speaker 2>on the iconic Sydney Harbor Bridge.

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<v Speaker 19>And so we're about to hit and El Nino again.

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<v Speaker 19>We're about to go back into the fire season. We've

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<v Speaker 19>just been in the web and now we're going to

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<v Speaker 19>have fires oil over the country.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty two, Coco joined a group of activists,

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<v Speaker 2>including a firefighter, and shutting down a lane of traffic

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<v Speaker 2>on the bridge.

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<v Speaker 19>Now, firefighters still don't have the tools that they need

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<v Speaker 19>to protect us, and that's what I was on the

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<v Speaker 19>bridge for. I was on the bridge for our firefighters,

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<v Speaker 19>saying we need to be ordering this equipment now because

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<v Speaker 19>the fire season is coming.

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<v Speaker 2>She tells me she became more involved in climate activism

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<v Speaker 2>after previous bushfires.

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<v Speaker 19>The country was on fire and my sister was pregnant

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<v Speaker 19>at the time and she couldn't leave the house because

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<v Speaker 19>the smoke was toxic to her and the baby.

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<v Speaker 2>In March this year, a judge overturned Violet's fifteen month

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<v Speaker 2>jail sentence, but in her home state of New South Wales,

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<v Speaker 2>a new law that imposes up to two years prison

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<v Speaker 2>for stopping traffic remains in place. In the years since

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<v Speaker 2>the fires, there have been less major street protests against

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<v Speaker 2>climate in Australia, but activists have been organizing in new ways.

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<v Speaker 2>People speaking out about climate change include the former captain

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<v Speaker 2>of Australia's rugby team, who was elected as a senator

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<v Speaker 2>after being arrested in a climate protest. In recent years, psychologists, firefighters, veterinarians, doctors,

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<v Speaker 2>and even marketing professionals have been actively organizing around their

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<v Speaker 2>profession's response to climate change as well. They include bushfire

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<v Speaker 2>survivors who successfully sued the New South Wales Environment Protection Agency,

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<v Speaker 2>and people living in suburbs that flooded along the Brisbane

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<v Speaker 2>River who have adopted a community organizing approach that saw

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<v Speaker 2>an unprecedented three Greens mpees elected to federal Parliament.

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<v Speaker 19>I think it's important to recognize that we operate off

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<v Speaker 19>social science as protesters, and what we're doing is activating

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<v Speaker 19>what we call the appropriate response to the threat, and

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<v Speaker 19>that's about shifting what we call the Overton window and

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<v Speaker 19>the over wind though, is about the appropriate response. So

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<v Speaker 19>what we want to do is keep shifting being as

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<v Speaker 19>brave and courageous as we can to shift over into

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<v Speaker 19>this appropriate response because the threat is massive and we

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<v Speaker 19>need to have a response that is just as proportionate.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite the fact that the police crack down on protests

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be intensifying, activists like Cocoa and Thorpe are

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<v Speaker 2>more confident than ever that their activism is necessary and important.

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<v Speaker 11>The concern that I have as an older because it's

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<v Speaker 11>not about my future, it's about future generations, and I

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<v Speaker 11>think that's what we need to really put out the

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<v Speaker 11>center here because anything is interconnected, and that's what our

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<v Speaker 11>stories tell us.

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<v Speaker 5>We don't just need to practice. We have to fight

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<v Speaker 5>for this future.

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<v Speaker 12>And if you stand up to do that, well, that's

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<v Speaker 12>what we have to do to us up, lock us up,

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<v Speaker 12>so we have to continue.

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