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Speaker 1: Moudang is a child. Jack Wudang is ready does not

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Speaker 2: Well, my wu tang is for the children exactly.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, what you're kind of arguing for it? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You meant that this is a good mixture because Moudang

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Speaker 1: For the children. Yeah. Okay, Hey, hippo's in the front.

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Speaker 1: Let's just stiple hippos on.

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Speaker 3: The left, braction the deck, Hello the Internet, and welcome

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Speaker 3: to season three sixty two, Episode two of dir Daily.

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Speaker 1: Production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: This is a podcast we take a deep dive into

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Speaker 2: American share consciousness. And it is Tuesday, October twenty ninth,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. You know what that means. Halloween's coming

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Speaker 2: up and nothing else, nothing else, nothing happening exactly one

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Speaker 2: week from this Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Nothing going on the road, nothing else. Put on your

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Speaker 1: squid game costumes and go about your day. People. It's

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Speaker 1: National Oatmeal Day, though for those that are concerned, National

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Speaker 1: Hermit Day, and also National cat day. Just nice and easy,

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Speaker 1: nothing else happening. Celebrate those things.

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Speaker 2: Also that are good for your health. Oatmeal hermits. We've

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Speaker 2: heard a hermit and then cutting yourself completely off from

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Speaker 2: human contact all good?

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Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 2: Is that what they're saying when they refer to a hermit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it just as it recognizes the hermit in all

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Speaker 1: of us, I guess, which means maybe are you know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes capacity to be introverted rather than being like and

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Speaker 1: swearing off everything that the modern world has to offer

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Speaker 1: in the service of living in cave.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or just you know, not interacting with people and

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Speaker 2: using uber eats and only interacting with people over social

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Speaker 1: Really good, I'm told how very good for us.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, My name is Jack O'Brien aka Moo Dang clan

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Speaker 2: ain't nothing to fuck with.

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Speaker 1: Moodang clan ain't nothing to fuck with.

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Speaker 2: Move Dang clan ain't nothing to fuck with. Move dan

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Speaker 2: clan ain't nothing to fuck with.

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Speaker 1: There's no place to hode.

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Speaker 4: Once I stepped inside the zoo bahad prepare for the move.

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Speaker 4: Dang oh maang I slang and bang surf cunt like

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Speaker 4: move dang that one wore to see a Strange Wang.

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Speaker 1: On the disc board. Did it? Yeah, I did it,

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Speaker 1: I did it.

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Speaker 5: I had to ask.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I thought maybe I missed you guys

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Speaker 2: talking about being parts of the Moo Moodang clan, yeah

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, I'm throwing to be joined as always by my

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Speaker 2: co host mister Miles Gres Miles Gray.

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Speaker 6: Because you're gonna go to the Elon store and you

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Speaker 6: gonna give him all your money. Then he'll say what

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Speaker 6: You just don't believe it. Bail out of Elon's car.

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Speaker 6: Bail out or die tonight because those funky cars are

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Speaker 1: Shout out to real big fish.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Snarkyla on the discord because my my

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Speaker 2: love of sky is always there lying torment, awaiting a

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Speaker 2: of whatever name, whatever volcano you want to volcano djore,

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Speaker 2: So thank you for that. I just I wanted was devastating.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Mount, I didn't. I'm not familiar with that song.

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Speaker 1: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: God just from your vocal performance.

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Speaker 2: I bet west Coard full instrumentation. Maybe I was pretty

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Speaker 1: Trenches of ska. Yeah yeah, like me, Yeah, Miles.

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Speaker 2: We are thrilled to be joined by the head of

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Speaker 2: represent US, a good government group that does work around

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Speaker 2: anti corruption, changing voting laws, just general trying to fix democracy.

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Speaker 1: Stuff for Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Hey, if that's what you want to do with your time,

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Speaker 2: I guess you know what we saying. If it ain't broke,

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Speaker 2: So welcome to your show.

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Speaker 1: It's Josh.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Josh, what a great entire My voice cracked on, Josh,

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Speaker 2: but you are defectually welcome, Josh.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks, good to see you, guys. I'm sorry I

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Speaker 1: It's okay, okay, that's how we started set. That's level

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Speaker 1: setting energetically. So now you come you're coming in in

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Speaker 1: yeah you got you got a lot of josh you guys.

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Speaker 1: It was like it was inspiring, It was inspired. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Anyway, nothing else happening this week. What are you gonna

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Speaker 5: Talk only about Halloween.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess maybe a little a little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, were you're in Massachusetts and you said that you

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, presidents are temporary, Wu tang is forever.

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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Speaker 2: So don't vote, right, Is that basically what we're saying.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure that's the message.

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Speaker 5: I think it's like the American version of keep calming

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Speaker 2: I feel like that that trick is not that fun.

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Speaker 2: Like when somebody has a mega hat that like doesn't

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Speaker 1: Like, made you look dude, Yeah, the major look guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah Yeah, all right, Josh, We're thrilled to have you here.

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Speaker 2: We are going to talk about some things that ail

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Speaker 2: Get to that, we do like to ask our guests,

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Speaker 2: what is something from your search history that's revealing about.

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Speaker 1: Who you are?

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Speaker 5: Okay, so who I am? I don't know about you guys,

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Speaker 5: but like sometimes I feel like I have to be

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Speaker 5: let's just google it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah right.

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Speaker 5: The most recent one was I used the term fungible

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Speaker 5: how money is fungible and.

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Speaker 2: Like capable of turning into a mushroom fungible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh I thought those are the psilocybin based

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Speaker 1: kids lunch packs that oscar fungible. Yeah, fungibles. Yeah, hey,

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Speaker 1: a non fungible token, because that's where my money's at

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's exactly right. Like that's what the term means.

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Speaker 5: It's like you can non fungible means you can't swap

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Speaker 2: You know what fungible meant.

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Speaker 5: Only because a friend who works in finance told me

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Speaker 5: a few years Yeah, tell me what this word means.

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Speaker 1: That you Jack for all that, Yeah, for other people

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Speaker 1: you know that work in finance. Jack, I'm surprised you don't.

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Speaker 1: You don't have fungibility on the brain.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do again, because I take a lot of mushrooms.

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Speaker 5: Just stopped it. Stopped it fun.

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Speaker 2: I'm a fun guy. My six year old's favorite joke

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Speaker 5: That's one of the best.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm a fun guy.

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Speaker 5: I have that on T shirt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one. What is something that you

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Speaker 5: Huh? This will make people not understand who I true am.

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Speaker 5: But the tater tots at Burger King Okay, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: Miles.

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Speaker 2: I told you if he brought up, how did they? Okay,

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Speaker 2: So when we're talking tots. Are they They're just like

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Speaker 5: They're like little ye little Yeah, they're little tots. But

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Speaker 5: all the different pastors. Personally, I'm like handcut fries or nothing, right,

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Speaker 5: about BK tater tots, they're just like they're perfect. They're

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Speaker 2: I'd say I spend seventy percent of my time talking

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Speaker 2: they compare to the McDonald's hash.

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Speaker 1: Brown Those are floppy? I'm gonna say that right now.

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Speaker 2: McDonald's hash browns are floppy. I get a lot of flop.

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Speaker 2: I'm you know, I like a floppy fried thing. But

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Speaker 2: there they could be more. I mean they're not as,

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Speaker 2: they're not as consistent. I was worst case scenario. I'd

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Speaker 2: say they're fly. They can be crispy, like they can

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Speaker 2: get a nice crisped up like just anything you rub

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like the Simpsons episode where Homer had to

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and that they rubbed it on the wall

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Speaker 2: and then see a bird crash into it.

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Speaker 2: Hey, don't they sell me out when I'm stealing Simpson's jokes. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know, just ain't nothing broke here, ain't nothing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the kind of gentle person you see before you today.

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Speaker 1: Come on, come.

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Speaker 2: On, choked, choke somebody out for leaving Anger.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm just saying this is an underdog tail.

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Speaker 2: You said, Oh, so you're a tough guy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know you excuse.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, Josh, you asked the right question. That

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Speaker 2: is the right follow up question. Wait, so what's wrong

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just I just I don't know why.

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Speaker 5: about this story is that it was anchor management exactly.

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Speaker 5: Has never seen the movie?

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Speaker 1: Ever seen it? I won't because it's just what if

443
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Speaker 1: it's like bad? And I'm just sobbing, like what And

444
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Speaker 1: this is the moment in which I too would have

445
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Speaker 1: locked out at the theater. Yeah, he was.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back

447
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Speaker 2: and we will talk about finance reform in politics and

448
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Speaker 2: what's all those money doing in there.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back.

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Speaker 2: We're back, and all right, so we want to talk

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Speaker 2: about how money operates in politics these days, in particular

452
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Speaker 2: with we did just remember over the break that the

453
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Speaker 2: elections coming that was the thing. Besides Halloween, there is

454
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Speaker 2: a presidential and many other elections coming up.

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Speaker 1: Voting in a week. Are you going to vote, dude?

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Speaker 2: I mean I I think I've proudly said that I'm undecided,

457
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Speaker 2: still making up my mind. I don't even know if

458
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Speaker 2: I want to get out there, but I guess I will.

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Speaker 2: It seems seems pretty grim out there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta vote, guys.

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Speaker 2: Man Josh said, all right, come, all right now, Yeah,

462
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Speaker 2: we are kidding. I I do just find it funny

463
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Speaker 2: the idea that there are still people who are undecided.

464
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Speaker 5: It's really wild, right it is.

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Speaker 1: I think people who are willing or unwilling to reveal

466
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Speaker 1: their terrible biases to a certain Maybe.

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Speaker 5: They just really like public opinion polls, and so there, Yeah,

468
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Speaker 5: I'm undecided.

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Speaker 2: And the New York Times will obliged. They will fly

470
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Speaker 2: to your house, throw you a viewing party for the

471
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Speaker 2: late debate, and then ask you, huh so tough choice

472
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Speaker 2: between and to have the person be like, yeah, I

473
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Speaker 2: still didn't hear enough. I'm not sure what what you

474
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Speaker 2: didn't hear enough racism? But there is Trump to be

475
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Speaker 2: all right, But so one of the goals of this episode.

476
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Speaker 2: I've heard so many billionaires getting involved in this race.

477
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Speaker 2: I really want to like Schoolhouse Rock. This shit like

478
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Speaker 2: help us understand how one million dollars in billionaire's bank account,

479
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Speaker 2: or let's go one hundred million dollars make it more

480
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Speaker 2: realistic in a billionaire's bank account goes from numbers in

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Speaker 2: account to us not having more effective plans to address

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Speaker 2: climate you know, like.

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Speaker 1: What, how exactly is that working? Right? Because most people,

484
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Speaker 1: the most of us, we hear like, oh, this bill

485
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Speaker 1: like they're getting in the race to the tune of

486
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Speaker 1: X million dollars, and I think most people like it

487
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Speaker 1: sort of stops just like okay, so that'll be used

488
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Speaker 1: for like ads, probably because airtime is expensive, but it

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Speaker 1: it manifests in a myriad of other ways. So how

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Speaker 1: how should we how does it manifest in those other ways?

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Speaker 1: Aside from obviously, I think the most visible stuff are

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Speaker 1: like the ads that you.

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Speaker 5: See right and the ads. So let's just back up

494
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Speaker 5: to like what they're actually trying to do, which is

495
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Speaker 5: convince people to vote one way, one way or the

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Speaker 5: other for one candidate or another. That's ultimately what the

497
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Speaker 5: race is about. And the way that that gets done

498
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Speaker 5: is ads tell you the story, but also flyers getting

499
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Speaker 5: mailed to your house, people knocking on your door, ads

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Speaker 5: that chase you around the internet. Content that gets created,

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you get a fundraising emails and

502
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Speaker 5: emails on your phone, all that text messaging, all of

503
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Speaker 5: that costs money, right, Like that's all right now, it's

504
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Speaker 5: me too, I'm blowing up. Biden texted me last night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have one from maybe Nancy Pelosi. It's I

506
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Speaker 1: feel like that, thanks Siri, Yeah, maybe.

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Speaker 5: And so yeah, let's it's just like, let's go through

508
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 5: the how it actually works, right, So who's running those ads?

509
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Speaker 5: Who's paying for all that stuff? You've got the DNC

510
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Speaker 5: and the RNC, the Democratic Committee and the Republican Committee

511
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Speaker 5: that are supporting the candidates. You have the candidates campaigns themselves,

512
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Speaker 5: so like Harris has a campaign, Trump has a campaign.

513
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Speaker 5: And then there's all these things we call independent expenditures,

514
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Speaker 5: which are people in groups who are organizing outside the

515
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Speaker 5: party apparatus to spend money on campaigns, and those are

516
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Speaker 5: known as political action committees or packs. And so you

517
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Speaker 5: can have a pack, or then there's a super pack,

518
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Speaker 5: which is basically the same thing with no spending limits

519
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Speaker 5: at all. It's just a different denomination. And the only

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Speaker 5: thing with super packs is they're supposed to be totally

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Speaker 5: separate from the campaign. But like, if you've got a

522
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Speaker 5: pack called the Maga pack, we all know who they're supporting.

523
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Speaker 5: There's no actual separation, right right, And so these people

524
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Speaker 5: are raising and spending tons of money and then running

525
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Speaker 5: their own ads and doing their own mailers and their

526
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Speaker 5: own door knocks to get out support for that.

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Speaker 2: Candidate mega pack is Donald Trump. I just googled that.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I just wanted to.

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Speaker 5: I'm glad you checked it out. Are you an undecided voter?

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Speaker 2: So I'm a low information undecided voter.

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Speaker 1: I should clarified that, I think. Dude, Mac Yeah, okay,

532
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Speaker 1: maybe not this one. Oh that's him. That's Trump. Yeah,

533
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Speaker 1: I knew it.

534
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Speaker 2: I knew I Like, I just had to google to

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Speaker 2: make sure.

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Speaker 1: But so this all fits, I think, because like we

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Speaker 1: also hear about like dark money spending, Like there's all

538
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Speaker 1: this dark money that goes into our elections and things

539
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Speaker 1: like that, a lot most of it in the form

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Speaker 1: of like you know, nonprofits that have like opaque donor lists.

541
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Speaker 1: So you're like, I think I know who's I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I actually don't know, but there's they have

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Speaker 1: a lot of money. What is like you know, I

544
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Speaker 1: think looking at them, not even just this race specifically,

545
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Speaker 1: just generally, I think we've we've gone from like Obama

546
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Speaker 1: and eight sort of being like, oh, you know, public

547
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Speaker 1: public funds might be good to be like who am

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Speaker 1: I kidding?

549
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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 1: These like you're gonna get destroyed if you're not taking

551
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Speaker 1: like this like huge, these huge sums of money from

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Speaker 1: outside groups. What's been kind of like evolution, I know,

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Speaker 1: like obviously Citizens United is a is a Supreme Court

554
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: decision we talk about a lot because it's like, hey, yeah,

555
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Speaker 1: you the corporation have the same rights as a person

556
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Speaker 1: to spend as much money on a race. But what

557
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Speaker 1: what's kind of like we're was it ever in a

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Speaker 1: good space or does is it truly that? I feel

559
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: like since my time in politics that was really like

560
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: when it just went completely bonkers when you know you're

561
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Speaker 1: ordained by the highest court in the land to be like, yeah, man,

562
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Speaker 1: just let it rip with your dollars however you want.

563
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Speaker 2: And you said that those two are not unrelated, you

564
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Speaker 2: being in politics and things just going from bonkers.

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Speaker 1: I think you said off, Mike, I was smoking on

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Speaker 1: that super pack.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you were loud of loud, yeah, yeah, I did

568
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Speaker 2: turn my hat backwards and skateboard into frame to say, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Force pierced your own ear. Yeah, that's cool, that's good.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, gosh, But actual question.

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Speaker 5: Let's just talk about how much it really is. We're

572
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Speaker 5: talking about five point one billion dollars this year, be

573
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 5: a billion with a B going into these super packs

574
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 5: getting spent on the elections. And you kind of lost

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Speaker 5: me with the.

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Speaker 2: Has it ever has it ever been good or less bad?

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Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah, right, like it's just been different bad. If

578
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 5: you go way back in American history, right, like we

579
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 5: all know the stories of the smoke filled rooms and

580
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 5: like and that's yeah, that's how politics used to happen.

581
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 5: And then yeah, that's exactly smoke filled rooms twenty twelve

582
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Speaker 5: Citizens United happens. And it takes us from the era

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Speaker 5: of packs. So people being able to get together and

584
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Speaker 5: spend some money on politics with regulation saying there's a

585
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Speaker 5: limit to how much you can spend. So they just

586
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 5: ripped the roof right off of it, so it became

587
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Speaker 5: unlimited and all billions and billions of dollars start flowing in.

588
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Speaker 5: And the problem is we the American people can't see

589
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 5: where candidates are getting their funding from so like it

590
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 5: could be coming from overseas, it could be coming from

591
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Speaker 5: people with bad intentions. We know a lot of it

592
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 5: comes from a big industry here in the US that's

593
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Speaker 5: trying to stop regulation from moving, and so they create

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Speaker 5: these big packs and they basically like let's say I

595
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Speaker 5: was a lobbyist and I was like, hey, Myles, I

596
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Speaker 5: know you're running for office, and I think it's great

597
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 5: that you do. But I've got one hundred million dollars

598
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 5: in a pack. Great, And I know you got this

599
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 5: candidate Jack who's running against you, who might be a

600
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 5: little bit you know, you might be a little bit

601
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Speaker 5: cooler with what we need to have done. And so

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Speaker 5: what do you hundred million smoking?

603
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Speaker 1: Oh dude, I love whatever you're doing.

604
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 5: Man.

605
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: I love crypto, I love gasoline, I love plastics, microplastics.

606
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: So dude, i'm your guy. I'm your guy.

607
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: What about an NFT made of fossil fuels. I'm just saying, like, no,

608
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Speaker 2: but you said the Supreme Court ripped the roof right

609
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: off of it. That actually sounded really cool, but it's

610
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Speaker 2: bad what they did. Yeah, ripping the roof right off

611
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: Because I do that sometimes to a party and when

612
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: I do it, it's kind of cool.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I bet it is. Yeah, yeah, all right.

614
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you're not taking American democracy down with you.

615
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 5: Oh let's just go back. That was twenty twelve, right,

616
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 5: and we say, okay, forget it. There's no more rules

617
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 5: about money in politics. And since then, we've seen the

618
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 5: two parties move further and further apart, which means that

619
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 5: big money has more control over these two parties that

620
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Speaker 5: run everything. We've seen the American people get more and

621
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Speaker 5: more disillusioned with the political system, like we all just

622
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 5: kind of take for granted. Now they're like, oh, the

623
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 5: whole thing is bought, Like it's all bought, sold and

624
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 5: paid for, and so like they're never going to do

625
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 5: anything for me. And then we see studies from major

626
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 5: universities that actually underscore the same point, which is like, yep,

627
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 5: the political system doesn't work for you regular Americans. And

628
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 5: I think if you tie a line back to twenty twelve,

629
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Speaker 5: from twenty twelve to January sixth of twenty twenty one,

630
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 5: you kind of think, like, well, if people are that

631
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 5: disconnected and that angry and that correct that the whole

632
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 5: thing has been bought and sold, it's no surprise, they're

633
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 5: going to show up being really angry at the Capitol,

634
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 5: Like we've turned it into a breeding ground for that

635
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 5: kind of behavior.

636
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Speaker 1: Right, because it's all like it feels, it's like an illusion.

637
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: People are like, but I thought, this is I'm my

638
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: the outcomes I'm looking for will be achieved through this

639
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: quote unquote political process. But all I'm seeing is like

640
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: an exacerbation of all the things that make my life

641
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: more difficult. And the people that are being enriched look

642
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: nothing like I will. My life looks nothing like the

643
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: way theirs look. Yeah, and I feel like that just

644
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: turns into apathy or anger or whatever. And more and

645
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: more people just you know, I think we all understand

646
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: it is Uh, it's frustrating to see that, but absolutely

647
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: think there's no rules.

648
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 5: The people that have the money to make a hundred

649
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 5: million dollar donations, they are doing just fine. They've been

650
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 5: doing just fine since twenty twelve. They're getting more and

651
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 5: more and more share of the economy going to them,

652
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 5: and meanwhile regular Americans are getting completely left behind. And

653
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 5: right now, neither party is stepping up to fix it.

654
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a clear difference between the parties. Obviously,

655
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 5: we were joking around before, but like clear difference in

656
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 5: the two parties, and nobody seems to have the balls

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00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 5: to act, actually step up and deal with the problems

658
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Speaker 5: with the political system when they're in power. Otherwise you know,

659
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Speaker 5: maybe like maybe Obama would have done it when he

660
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,239
Speaker 5: had power in both houses in the first term, but

661
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Speaker 5: like they didn't get done.

662
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Speaker 1: Because the other part is like the FEC. Also, it's

663
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Speaker 1: I remember at that time when Obama was in office,

664
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Speaker 1: like there was a chance to maybe put more competent

665
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: or people who are more dedicated to enforcing campaigns finance laws,

666
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: like as commissioners at that FC, and that just kind

667
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: of came and went, and yeah, that's where you kind

668
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: of I think, and that's where it becomes easier to

669
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: see like, well, what are the differences because at the

670
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: end of the day, like they're all sort of both

671
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: both parties are beholden to playing this sort of game

672
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Speaker 1: of like, well, I also have to answer to like

673
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: corporate benefactors, which we've now just kind of we're taking

674
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Speaker 1: the mask off.

675
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: That's kind of what's going on. They it's all about money.

676
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: They have the money. What am I going to do?

677
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: Swear off that money?

678
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: And they completely blown out like in an ad war

679
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 2: or something because I just don't have the funds to compete.

680
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: And it's yeah, now we're at this place where we're

681
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Speaker 2: I guess at.

682
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: The bottom already. Can we get more bottom? We can

683
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: always get more of the bottom.

684
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, we can go Bottomer, Yeah.

685
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, it's so.

686
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the signal is no longer like the idea of

687
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: a democracy is signal goes from people to the politicians

688
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: or the institutions that can actually do something about the

689
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: will of the people. And that stopped happening like kind

690
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: of completely in the.

691
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Speaker 5: Last Yeah, I don't want you guys to get like

692
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 5: totally blown up on the internet. So we're going to

693
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 5: talk about the democracy versus republic thing before say we're

694
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 5: not a democracy, we're a republic. We are a republic

695
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 5: that is also a democracy, and it's just worth saying that.

696
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 5: And so yeah, yes, what you said, Like, we're supposed

697
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 5: to be able to vote for representatives in our republic

698
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 5: who're supposed to do the will of the people, but

699
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 5: they don't. They do the will of special interests and

700
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 5: the people that are funding those super PACs and the

701
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 5: people that are funding their campaigns that's who they have

702
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Speaker 5: to work for.

703
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you if you think about it, like the

704
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: the body politics and metaphor of like a body the

705
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: signal not getting from the eyes to the brain that

706
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: moves things, because like that would be a disorder, that

707
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 2: person would be in trouble or they would be really

708
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: high off that lab pack.

709
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Speaker 5: All right, I'm just I'm picturing somebody like involuntarily punching

710
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 5: themselves in the face. Yeah, yeah, it feels like the

711
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 5: metaphor you're going for it, Yes.

712
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: Exactly, because they're that super peck of lab Okay, Yeah,

713
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: you said something in our last conversation that kind of

714
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: put a lot of this into perspective. Just when I

715
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: hear dark money, I never really thought about the fact

716
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: it's only dark to us, like we don't know where

717
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 2: the money comes from. But the politicians know that. That's

718
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: just like so like they have to do the extra

719
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: work to keep us from knowing who is funding their campaigns.

720
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Speaker 2: That's just totally so inherently sinister.

721
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Speaker 5: You know, if you think about the motivations of somebody

722
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 5: who's giving a hundred million dollar donation, it might be

723
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 5: because they have a worldview and they really want to

724
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 5: support it like it might be just totally all good, right,

725
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 5: Like I want to see war rights for this group

726
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 5: or that group, and I'm just gonna give a ton

727
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 5: of money to support it. The other scenario is that

728
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 5: they're piling up all this money and they're making a

729
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 5: phone call to a political consultant or to a politician

730
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 5: and saying, hey, I got this giant pile of money

731
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 5: that's about to go to either you or your opponent,

732
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 5: and we're going to make sure that if you don't

733
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Speaker 5: support the thing I care about, then you're going to.

734
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: Lose, right.

735
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 5: And it's that that's so sinister, right, And it's exactly

736
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 5: what's happening with with all this stuff. It's it's folks

737
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 5: who are spending shit tons of money to make sure

738
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Speaker 5: that they have political power that is over the power

739
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 5: of the voters. It's terrible.

740
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, what are some examples that people

741
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: that kind of go over people's heads and how like

742
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: I think most people are like, yeah, they put money

743
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: behind a candidate and then this person they get to office,

744
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: they're able to find a way to make sure that

745
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: that donation didn't go completely unheard, that that results in

746
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: legislation that's favorable to them. I think that's like one

747
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: easy way to think about it, But like, what are

748
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: some other ways that, you know, just just to kind

749
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: of for people to fully understand outside of just sort

750
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Speaker 1: of like these very easy to understand examples, Like what

751
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: are the more nuanced ways that this is completely completely

752
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: like perverting the process.

753
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Speaker 5: Yeah. So in twenty fourteen, Princeton and Northeastern University did

754
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 5: a study together and they looked at eighteen hundred public

755
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 5: opinion polls over the course of twenty years to find

756
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 5: out whether or not the laws that Congress pass actually

757
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 5: represent the will of the people. And when they plotted

758
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 5: all of their data for average American income earners, they

759
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 5: found that when zero percent of average Americans want something,

760
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 5: there's about a thirty percent chance that Congress is going

761
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,959
Speaker 5: to pass that law about that thing. And they also

762
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 5: found that if one hundred percent of Americans want something,

763
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 5: there's a thirty percent chance that Congress is going to

764
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 5: do it. That's the key takeaways. Yeah, it's like it's

765
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 5: not good, No, it's not great. No matter what the

766
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 5: American people want, there's about a third percent chance that

767
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 5: Congress passes a law. In other words, we have near

768
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 5: zero statistically near zero impact on public policy. We the

769
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 5: American people. They ran the same data for special interests

770
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 5: and wealthy donors and all of that, and they found

771
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 5: that those groups actually do have influence. And then when

772
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 5: you think about it practically, like there's all sorts of

773
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 5: issues that Americans really do agree on that are just

774
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 5: like common sense solutions to stuff that we care about,

775
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 5: whether it's whether it's background checks or abortion or like,

776
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 5: there's lots of really difficult issues that Americans want solutions on,

777
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 5: right but the only way that we end up talking

778
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 5: about it is it's this incredibly wild, divisive way. And

779
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 5: that goes right back to the It goes right back

780
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 5: to the money in politics, because they have so much

781
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,959
Speaker 5: more power when we're all talking about the extremes rather

782
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 5: than common sense solutions.

783
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, were there were just a there's been some moments

784
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: in the Biden administration where it felt like he was like, yeah, man,

785
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: I want to Jeck, but like I just my hands

786
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: are tied, where it felt like he wasn't talking specifically

787
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: about Congress.

788
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: But it was like if they said he wasn't talking

789
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: specifically to me, Jack to.

790
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: Me, I know, I know that was confusing but Jack

791
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: and Mac and I feel like that is kind of

792
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: what he's referring, like when you're a politician, like you're

793
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: stepping into this system where you are beholden to these

794
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: like massive moneyed interest groups and you know, the stuff

795
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: that he was able to get passed, for instance, with

796
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: regards to like pushing back on just tech monopolies and

797
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 2: the power of the tech industry. I was reading this

798
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: New Yorker profile of like billionaires who are donating to

799
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: Trump's campaign, and like it's there are some of these

800
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: traditionally Democrat donors who like switched over because they're like, well,

801
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: we just can't live like what Biden has done in

802
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: this administration is like unconscionable as just like he's like

803
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: trying to regulate, you know, completely unregulated tech power. So yeah,

804
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: it just it feels like like it's pretty clear how

805
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: it works. I guess we just don't hear the specifics

806
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: of it, like on a day to day basis. It

807
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: feels like it's one of those things that like in

808
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,959
Speaker 2: the mainstream media, they won't just be like, yeah, now

809
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: all that money's going to Trump. Because there was pushback

810
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: against like tech oligarchs in during the Biden administration, you know.

811
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 5: Totally the first time ever. This year, the crypto industry

812
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 5: is the largest super pac industry. Like their crypto companies

813
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 5: are giving more to politics than any other group, two

814
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 5: hundred and four million dollars going into the campaign, right,

815
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 5: and uh yeah, yeah, it goes back to the same thing.

816
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 5: It's like they don't sure, I guess they don't want

817
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 5: to be regulated, but like, isn't it the government's job

818
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 5: to do what's in the best interest of all the

819
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 5: people and not just like those that have already made

820
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 5: a ton of money off the system that we have.

821
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so well, and I think because that's like

822
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: all roads lead to well, it's it's just the the

823
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: just obscene influence of money that creates this sort of

824
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: like legislative gridlock too, like to a you know, a

825
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: much more extreme extent, because like to your point, whenever

826
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: people are like E when politics like, well it's not

827
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: that easy, what they're saying is like, well, in this game,

828
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: if I step out of line, that special interest group

829
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: they come in and they primary me and put someone

830
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: else up to race in the race against me that

831
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: will be much better funded than me, and then I

832
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: will lose my seat, and because I want to be

833
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: the most popular person in my state, I have to

834
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: do whatever it takes to stay in office. And so

835
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: it's really not so much about what you want, but

836
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: like half of making it seem like I'm acting out

837
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: the will of the voter in my constituents and the

838
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: other half making sure I damn sure do not cross

839
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: these donors, because that's really that that's that's who causes

840
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: the most damage because they they can actually influence the

841
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: voters more than the voters can influence me.

842
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 5: And look, if you want to get anything done, you

843
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 5: have to be in power right right, And the only

844
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 5: way to stay empower is to fundraise. The New York

845
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 5: Times did this awesome expos recently where they interviewed a

846
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 5: bunch of members of Congress who are on their way out,

847
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 5: so they're retiring this year or whatever, and one of

848
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 5: them talked about, in order to get a bill put forward,

849
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 5: you have to be on a committee, right otherwise you

850
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 5: can't even move a bill. And in order to be

851
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 5: on the committee, you have to hit your fundraising goals

852
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 5: for the quarter, which is some ridiculous amount two hundred

853
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 5: and fifty thousand dollars or something. But in order to

854
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 5: be the person who decides whether or not the bill

855
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 5: makes it to the floor of Congress, you have to

856
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 5: be the chair of that committee, which is an even

857
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 5: higher fundraising goal. And so when we talk about like

858
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 5: the system is designed to stop good people from getting

859
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 5: good things done, it's that kind of thing. It's like, right,

860
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 5: no matter how well intentioned you are, you're gonna have

861
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 5: to go fundraised from special interest in order to get

862
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 5: anything done.

863
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: Right.

864
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 5: And if that's who you have to fundraise from, and

865
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 5: then you cross them, you're cutting off your source of power. Right,

866
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 5: and we fix this problem, it's just gonna keep getting worse.

867
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: Okay, so there's a fix. No, it sounds like we're fucked.

868
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: I think the episode's over a well, okay, so I

869
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: we we just cut there. Josh told us that there

870
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 2: might actually be a solution. So we're gonna take a break.

871
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 2: We're gonna come back and we're gonna hear what what

872
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: could possibly be done about the way this system operates.

873
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 5: Will be right back.

874
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Speaker 1: And we're back. Yeah, I don't know.

875
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: We we talked a lot about the difficulty that we

876
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 2: have as Americans imagining things any like having a political

877
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 2: imagination for a different future, like I can't. I was

878
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: alive for when and McCain Fine Gold was a thing

879
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: and people were like, oh, that's a good bill. That

880
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: kind of made John like it is one of the

881
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 2: things that made John McCain's name, because he like made

882
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: campaign finance reform a big sort of bipartisan issue of

883
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 2: like getting money out and even I now like looking

884
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: at the way things currently operate as we have this

885
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: like presidential election where fucking Elon Musk is like one

886
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: of the main players, Like, it's hard for me to

887
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: even imagine like how we back out of this, But yeah,

888
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: I'm curious to hear your thoughts on that.

889
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 5: I think the first thing is you got to remember

890
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 5: that the folks who founded this country weren't given permission

891
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 5: by anyone else, right, Like, the founders of the country

892
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 5: were some young folks with a vision who wanted to

893
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 5: see things differently than they were, and they had a

894
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 5: whole entire revolution about it. So it's deeply embedded in

895
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 5: our history that we change the system to make it

896
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 5: work better. And what that could mean now is changing

897
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 5: the rules of the system so that if you're a

898
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 5: lobbyist for instance, maybe you can't bundle millions of dollars

899
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 5: to give to a politician to ask them to pass

900
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 5: a law anymore. That's a thing that we could pass today.

901
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 5: You could pass laws to end jerrymandering today, so that

902
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 5: you don't have politicians drawing their own voting districts, you

903
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 5: have voters drawing voting districts so that they're fair and equal.

904
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 5: All of these things would help put power back in

905
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 5: the hands of the people. And when we talk about

906
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 5: like what are the reforms that would actually change the system,

907
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 5: it doesn't need to be through the federal government where

908
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 5: everything is totally stuck. We can do it state by

909
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 5: state because elections are run in the states, not federally

910
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 5: according to the Constitution. And if you go state by

911
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 5: state and pass laws making it putting campaign finance limits

912
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 5: in place, making it so lobbyists can't give guests to politicians,

913
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 5: so that ethics and transparency are baked into the law,

914
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 5: you really move the needle. And then if you really

915
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 5: want to fix things, you implement public funding systems for elections,

916
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 5: which means that the funding for elections comes out of

917
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 5: tax payer dollars instead of coming from super packs and billionaires.

918
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 5: Anybody can run for office by talking to their neighbors,

919
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 5: by making a strong case, and by qualifying to get

920
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 5: to get public funding. And that's totally affordable. It would

921
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 5: cost something like one percent or point sorry, point one

922
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 5: percent of the military budget, the military budgetal one point

923
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 5: one percent. We could have clean elections across the entire.

924
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: And that's seventy trillion dollars point one percent of the

925
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: military budget. Right, that's it's ridiculous, no, right, because that's

926
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: also too it also means that there's a level playing field.

927
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: It's like, well, if everyone is using the same these

928
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: these same sort of fixed funds, you can't then be

929
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: like and then I can call in a strategic airstrike

930
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: from a pack to then like take me over the edge.

931
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: It's like no, no, no, this is this is the budget.

932
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: This is what you get. Now make it work based

933
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 1: on your you know, the merits of your candidacy.

934
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 5: Right, not instead of whether or not you're you know,

935
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 5: best buddies with some billionaire who you went to Princeton with. Right,

936
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 5: that's yeah, it's like level playing field. Or you can

937
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 5: consider it like free market capitalism, where nobody has a

938
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 5: true leg up and it's actually the best ideas when

939
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 5: and who's going to do the most for the people

940
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 5: and who can get the most popular support, and then

941
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 5: they get into office and they actually have an incentive

942
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 5: to do the things they said they were going to

943
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 5: do instead of getting into office and then fundraising more.

944
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 2: Right, and being beholden to people who paid for them

945
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: to get into.

946
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,479
Speaker 5: Office one hundred percent.

947
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and surely these common sense solutions you're

948
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 2: talking about, but like, did you take those from science

949
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: fiction books? You're certainly stealing those, not from other real

950
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: countries or our own history, right, those are just made

951
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: up solutions that you dream made them ups.

952
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean I also dreamed up one hundred

953
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 5: and eighty victories in the last twelve years for the

954
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 5: groups of people that have been working on passing these

955
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 5: laws across the country. And so, like all kidding aside,

956
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 5: this year, there are twenty one ballot initiatives across the

957
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 5: country that are designed to make government work better for

958
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 5: the people. And so in states across the country, people

959
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 5: are going to be voting on some of these reforms.

960
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 5: And this is exactly the kind of thing I was

961
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 5: talking about before, where like you get it on the ballot,

962
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 5: you get it organized, you get it on the ballot,

963
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 5: and you win, and then you've changed the laws in

964
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 5: your state. And when you have enough people organized and

965
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 5: willing to fight for it, we can change this stuff

966
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 5: and we can win.

967
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's really important, like an important point

968
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: because I think we look at the the broader consequences

969
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: of money in politics. You're like, you just can't get

970
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: anything done. The rich control everything, which yeah, no, that's true.

971
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: But rather than thinking that there is this like this

972
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: other bill or something we have to pass federally, it's

973
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: like all of the pressure of their influence sort of

974
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: leans on the idea that it is legal to do this.

975
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 1: So the best weapon against that is just to kick

976
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: that leg out, which is to say you aren't able

977
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: to spend unlimited sums of money. It's very it's we're

978
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: cleaning this whole thing up, and very quickly that influence

979
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: wanes because if you have no other weight, I mean,

980
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: maybe they'll be clever and they'll be like, hey, you

981
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: gotta you want some NFTs on the side because I

982
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: can't give you money or whatever. But either way that

983
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: we and just address a huge, huge pain point in

984
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: the system. Which is this one specific thing. And to

985
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: your point, it's not something we need to wait for,

986
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: like for a federal election to decide or a presidential

987
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: election decide. This is the person that can help do

988
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: away with it all. It's like, if we're an organized

989
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: enough at the state level, this is a much more

990
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: effective way to really take to take that sort of

991
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: that that you know, this, uh, this, what's the word

992
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking for, this pestilence off of the table.

993
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 2: I'm glad to use the word pestilence because it's.

994
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: One of my favorite magic the gathering cards. Pestilence. Z.

995
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: How are those ballot initiatives performing.

996
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 5: We'll see on November fifth, they are there.

997
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: You're not riding the polar coaster.

998
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 5: You know, the polar coaster. I've never heard that before. Like,

999
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 5: we know if they're super popular with voters, super popular

1000
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 5: with voters. When you talk to voters about what these

1001
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 5: things do, even like ranked choice voting, open primaries, fixing, jerrymandering,

1002
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 5: voters love it. It's just a question of whether or

1003
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 5: not we can get enough information into their hands to

1004
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 5: make these choices. And then on the money and politics stuff,

1005
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 5: It's like these ballot initiatives usually win with huge margins,

1006
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 5: and so all the money in politics related ones, I'm

1007
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 5: not worried about it at all. Some of the others

1008
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 5: will be tighter, but like it's democracy, it's messy. Sometimes

1009
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 5: you have to go to bad a couple of times

1010
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 5: before you win.

1011
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, is the I a home run every time? Go

1012
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: ahead months.

1013
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, like, I know, like you know,

1014
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: for probably people that listen to this show, it's really

1015
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: easy to be like, yeah, no, shit, we don't want,

1016
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: you know, corporations and billionaires to have like you know,

1017
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: just unlimited influence through their money on political races. And

1018
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: I know, like sometimes when you hear conservatives talk about

1019
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: like the billionaire boogeyman as like George Soros or some

1020
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: nonsense like that, But it's also interesting to know that,

1021
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: like it does have real bipartisan support, so they're not

1022
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're nessarily looking at the same

1023
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: way to be like, yeah, look at all the power

1024
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: Elon Musk has. But there I think, but some people

1025
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: are able to relate that their own pain and suffering

1026
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: is somehow connected to the billionaire class too.

1027
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 5: Totally, and like it's not just that the solutions are bipartisan.

1028
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 5: It's the problem is bipartisan. Two right, there's no there's

1029
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 5: no question that candidates on both sides are beholden to

1030
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 5: packs and super PACs in the billionaire class and special interests.

1031
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 5: I will underscore I don't think this is a both

1032
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 5: sides kind of thing, where like both sides are equally

1033
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 5: bad and both sides are doing exactly the same thing

1034
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 5: about it. I think it's clear that like voters should

1035
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 5: be able to make a decision about who's going to

1036
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 5: do the right thing for democracy, so to speak. Right now,

1037
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 5: without me getting into any specific candidates, there's some pretty

1038
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 5: clear differences there, but.

1039
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 2: It would be helpful if you could just give me

1040
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 2: the answer because I'm still no.

1041
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 5: I think you got it.

1042
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: I think it's Wu tang Jack Wu tang is for

1043
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: the children.

1044
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, write it in.

1045
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 5: But like if you look at the top ten super donors,

1046
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 5: they come from both sides of the aisle. Sure like

1047
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 5: our friends over at Open Secrets did this. They follow

1048
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 5: it all the time. We did a big study with

1049
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 5: them this year. The money is coming from both sides

1050
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 5: to buy influence on both sides. That is true. It

1051
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 5: is also true that voters on both sides understand the

1052
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 5: problem and want it fixed, Like, of course we do.

1053
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 5: We just we know that we want it fixed. I

1054
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 5: think where it falls off is that people don't often

1055
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 5: believe that it's fixable, which is just a myth that

1056
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 5: we have to get over, and then we get stuck

1057
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 5: in this part is in battle where conservatives are like,

1058
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 5: I don't know, changing the rules. We should leave things

1059
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 5: the way they are, it's tradition, and liberals are like,

1060
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 5: throw the whole thing out, like let's start over. Let's

1061
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 5: like we have to get common sense about it, and

1062
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 5: it's really easy to do, like if you actually look

1063
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 5: at the policies that we're talking about moving here, if

1064
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 5: you're a lobbyist, you shouldn't be able to give donations

1065
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 5: to a politician. That's common sense. And so it's just

1066
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 5: about being you were joking around about like low education voters.

1067
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 5: If we could all just be a little bit more educated,

1068
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 5: like read the ballot packet when it comes home, take

1069
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 5: a little time, learn about what you're voting on, and

1070
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 5: get it done. I think there's a much better chance.

1071
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess my and I and I do think.

1072
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: I just want to say on the record, I think

1073
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: the corporate influence is bad, but what happens to the

1074
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: entire lobbying industry if oh, I know, and all the

1075
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: people that lose their job, I mean, they're going to

1076
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: have to go to some other kind of consulting gig

1077
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: on the Capitol Hill. And I'm just worried about those people.

1078
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: And I'm worried about them, and I just, you know,

1079
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: what their constituency that I come from, K Street. I

1080
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: come from K Street and I want to let them

1081
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: know I'm still thinking about your baby.

1082
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 5: That's good. I feel like maybe what the lobbyist state

1083
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 5: is a lobbyist to help them protect their interests.

1084
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that sounds like a trillion dollar industry.

1085
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: Does that exist? Oh my god. I think I just

1086
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: set you guys up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Lobby the last episode of the show, being Lobbyist for

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Speaker 2: the lobbying and lobby for y'all.

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Speaker 5: Friends of ours made a great video a few years ago.

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Speaker 5: It's exactly. It's like these poor, sad sack lobbyists that

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Speaker 5: nobody is looking out for. And it's got like Sarah

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Speaker 5: macglachlin music in the background. You know, it's like, adopt

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Speaker 5: a lobbyist kind of thing right, Like, they're like, I

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Speaker 5: had to fly commercial to Davos this year. You know

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Speaker 5: how humiliating that is. Exactly I had to fly through Frankfurt. Okay,

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Speaker 5: oh my god, I don't want to talk about it.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Just before you go, another danger that comes up in

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Speaker 2: your work, it's foreign influences.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk about just what the fact.

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Speaker 2: That foreign influences are are able to participate in American democracy? Like,

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Speaker 2: what are the theoretical or even real problems.

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Speaker 8: That we've seen as a result of that. Yeah, let's

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Speaker 8: start with the theoretical. Let's just say that you had

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Speaker 8: a super pack, and because it was a superpack and

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Speaker 8: you had unlimited secret dark money where nobody could really

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Speaker 8: see where it was coming from or where it was going.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like it's on the up and up to me.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, sounds good to you. But that's because you're

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Speaker 5: obviously a Russian plant. Thanks clearly, Yeah, there'd be nothing

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Speaker 5: stopping you from taking international money. And so when we

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Speaker 5: look at where these super PACs get their funding from,

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Speaker 5: of course some of it's going to be foreign, Like

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Speaker 5: there's no rules saying that it can't be it's just

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Speaker 5: unlimited money and it comes from wherever, and there's no

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Speaker 5: trace ability. Like that's in and of itself a problem,

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Speaker 5: and then we get into the real practical things. This

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Speaker 5: is actually one of the solutions. The state of Maine

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Speaker 5: this past year passed a law saying that any corporate

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Speaker 5: entity that was more than I think it's five percent

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Speaker 5: foreign owned was no longer allowed to make any contributions

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Speaker 5: to candidates or ballot initiatives in the state of Maine.

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Speaker 5: So they passed this law, and as a result, the

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Speaker 5: next cycle, there was eighty percent less money going into

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Speaker 5: ballot initiatives in Maine. And when we looked at why,

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Speaker 5: it's because Maine had a ballot initiative that was about

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Speaker 5: main citizens' ability to choose how they make their electricity,

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Speaker 5: like home rule over electricity, and all of the outside

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Speaker 5: money that had been coming in was of course coming

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Speaker 5: in from multinational oil and gas companies that wanted to

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Speaker 5: use main as they passed through for pipelines, and so

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Speaker 5: it just it's like exactly the problem, right, Like you

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Speaker 5: want citizens to not have all that foreign influence but

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Speaker 5: instead be able to just vote. They're conscious of whether

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Speaker 5: or not they think something's a good idea without folks

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Speaker 5: from Canada or Russia or wherever trying to sway our elections.

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Speaker 2: And also it feels like that will pull better to

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Speaker 2: be like you can't have foreign corporations, you know, like

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Speaker 2: we don't like to board. Yeah yeah, at least at

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Speaker 2: starting point, you know, like get a foothold, and then

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Speaker 2: people see, oh shit, that like changed the way this

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Speaker 2: election runs. Set up a bunch of American shell companies.

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Speaker 5: I guess I don't think you have to be like

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Speaker 5: xenophobic to think that it's bad for foreign governments to

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Speaker 5: be meddling in our elections, right right, Like that's just

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Speaker 5: that goes down to like the sovereignty of a nation.

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Speaker 5: We need to be able to protect our own elections

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Speaker 5: and run them our way without foreign influence running ads

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Speaker 5: telling us who to vote for in our state, our

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Speaker 5: own country. That's sketchy.

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Speaker 2: I get it, I got it, man. So Canada is

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Speaker 2: what is the main problem? I think we can all agree.

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Speaker 5: I think so yeah mostly Trudeau, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's Trudeau. That's Trudeau and that though

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Speaker 1: sorry sorry I had to it was right there like.

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Speaker 2: That one, Joshlyn, such a pleasure having you on the

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Speaker 2: daily zeitgeist? Where can people find you? Follow you find

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Speaker 2: out more about what you guys are doing.

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Speaker 5: So you can find represent us at www dot represent

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Speaker 5: dot us. We're on all the social media. Is that

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Speaker 5: at represent us and you can find me at at

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Speaker 5: Joshua g.

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Speaker 2: Lynn, should I have called the organization represent dot us

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Speaker 2: instead of represent us?

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Speaker 5: That's a great question. No, No, we're called represent us,

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Speaker 5: but the U r L is represent.

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Speaker 1: Dot In a panic, he was texting me the whole

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Speaker 1: time and the rest you do.

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Speaker 5: Not hear anything I said this whole time.

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Speaker 1: Jo, Yeah, that was sick, dude. You see, like down

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Speaker 1: with the Super Bowl and all that.

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Speaker 6: Man, I.

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Speaker 1: Know, shadowy Green Bay Packers, dude, man, Big Brett Farm

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Speaker 1: fans over here. So yeah, anyways.

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Speaker 2: Great, And Josh, is there a work of media that

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Speaker 2: you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 5: Is there a work of media that I've been into?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, tweet?

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Speaker 2: You know something on so she needs yeh as we

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Speaker 2: call it you and I.

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Speaker 5: Is there something I've been enjoying lately? I don't know.

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00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 5: I consume a lot of media, but my my thing

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00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 5: is like I'm always trying to figure out if I

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Speaker 5: can write a tweet that will go viral and they

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Speaker 5: never do. Oh so, yeah, but here's what, Like, there's

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Speaker 5: one that I wrote recently that I thought was pretty clever.

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Speaker 5: Can I read it out loud?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Please?

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Whenever I'm worried that I'm not paying enough attention

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Speaker 5: to the details, I remember that X also known as Twitter,

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Speaker 5: still uses Twitter blue on all their buttons, which I

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Speaker 5: just don't understand, Like, get rid of that, and that

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Speaker 5: Google hasn't updated the buttons when you go to save

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Speaker 5: your Gmail settings, there's still these like nineteen nineties buttons. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: every time I see that, I'm like, how are these

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Speaker 5: massive companies with like super talking about tough guys Like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: where's the where's the macho tough guys saying like hey

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Speaker 5: go fix that button or you're fired. Nobody's doing it.

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Speaker 1: The tough guys are gone, They're gone.

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Speaker 5: It's a good reminder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where have all the tough gangs?

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Speaker 1: Gang? Let's help that. Let's let's get that viral. Let's

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Speaker 1: get that one viral. Where have all the tough guys? Go?

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Speaker 1: Is what I just said.

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Speaker 2: That's how the English language works, miles. Where can people

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Speaker 2: find you as their working media? You've been in Twitter

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Speaker 2: Instagram at Miles of Gray. If you like the NBA,

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Speaker 2: Jack and I talked that on the basketball podcast Miles.

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Speaker 1: And Jack on Moosty's an official NBA product.

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Speaker 2: Also, if you want to hear me talk about ninety

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Speaker 2: day Fiance, I do that on four to twenty Day Fiance. U.

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Speaker 1: There are a couple of things that I like. One

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Speaker 1: is apparently there's a Jimmy John sandwich that's just a

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Speaker 1: gigantic pickle as the bread. It looks it's a Halloween

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Speaker 1: and tell me this. I don't know, it can't be real,

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Speaker 1: but anyway, but the quote tweet is from Autumn at

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Speaker 1: Fall Sunday that just saying this is some of y'all

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Speaker 1: thinking you get bread whole time you in a pickle.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's right there. That's poetry. And then another one

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Speaker 2: at Cerial Burrito tweeted, God never seen San Francisco this

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Speaker 2: bad spider webs completely covering entire businesses, skeletons just strewn

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Speaker 2: about sidewalks in every neighborhood. Things have to change. I mean, truly,

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Speaker 2: could be a Fox News like, how have they not

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Speaker 2: done that yet? Zombies walking the street? I do just

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Speaker 2: want to shout out super producer Victor, who was silent

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Speaker 2: throughout the entirety of this episode, talking about, you know,

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Speaker 2: the ways that our democracy is being torn down around us,

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Speaker 2: brick by brick, and then show that Jimmy John's pickle

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Speaker 2: sandwich entered the chat to say, what the fuck.

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Speaker 1: What the fuck not the all kinds of other stuff

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Speaker 1: about outside spending. No, no, no, what the fuck are they doing?

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Speaker 1: Jimmy yeah or John?

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Speaker 2: All right, Victor, we see where your parties are a

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Speaker 2: right places. Yeah, in the right places. Emo Normy tweeted

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Speaker 2: Hawk boo ah spook on that thing. Haha, just a

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Speaker 2: little something I came up with. Happy Halloween guy.

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Speaker 1: Welcome man.

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Speaker 2: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're

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01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 2: at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook

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01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 2: fan page and a website, Daily zeikes dot com, where

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Speaker 2: we post our episodes and our footnote link off to

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Speaker 2: the information that we talked about in today's episode, as

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Speaker 2: well as a song that we think you might enjoy, Miles,

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Speaker 2: is there a song that we think people might enjoy?

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Speaker 1: Yes, man, just the our artistic evolution of the artist

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Speaker 1: McGee mk dot g ee really like the last album

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Speaker 1: that he put out, it was called two Star and

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Speaker 1: the Dream Police. And he has a new single that

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Speaker 1: just came out last week called Rockman and it's really

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Speaker 1: dope if you like like his the guitar pedals he's

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01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: using is really cool. Like he has his very own

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Speaker 1: unique sound. But this track kind of reminds me it's

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Speaker 1: sort of like put the Police, not the blaw Enforcement,

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Speaker 1: like the sting Band, with like the harmonies and just

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Speaker 1: like kind of the vocal melodies and stuff. So if

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Speaker 1: you're a fan of the sting Led Police, you'll probably

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Speaker 1: like this track called Rockman by Nicky And this is

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Speaker 1: some modern stuff and it's good, So put this in

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Speaker 1: your speakers and enjoy. All right, We will.

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Speaker 2: Link off to that in the foot note. For today

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Speaker 2: is the production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from My

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Speaker 2: Heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio ap Apple podcast or wherever

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Speaker 2: you listen to your favorite shows. That is gonna do

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Speaker 2: it for us this morning, back this afternoon though, to

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Speaker 2: tell you what is trending, and we'll touch y' all.

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Speaker 1: Then bye bye,