WEBVTT - Canada's Latest School Shooting: What We Know 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:06.480 Cool Zone Media. 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:11.400 Welcome to it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis. Last Friday, 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:15.160 I teamed up with Lance from the Canadian based politics 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.560 show The Serfs to talk about the tragic events of 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:24.200 last week in tumblr Ridge, British Columbia. On Tuesday, February tenth, 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:27.880 an eighteen year old named Jesse Van Rutzler killed her 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.200 mother and stepbrother in their home, then took two guns 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:34.960 and went to tumblr Ridge Secondary School, where she killed 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:39.880 five students, one teacher, and finally herself. Two other kids 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:43.519 were critically injured with gunshot wounds but have survived. The 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.800 shooter did attend tumblr Ridge Secondary School years ago, but 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.080 dropped out for the past three to five years. It's 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:56.240 kind of unclear. Jesse identified as a transgender girl. Tumblr 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.200 Ridge is a very small town with just twenty four 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:04.480 hundred residents in northeastern British Columbia. This was the worst 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:09.840 school shooting in Canada since nineteen eighty nine. The sequence 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.920 of events during this incident were very similar to the 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.920 Lelouche shooting in Canada ten years ago, where the gunman 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.760 killed two family members at home before going to a school. 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:26.720 During our conversation, Lance and I discussed the spread of misinformation, 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.440 how the online writers tried to weaponize the deaths of 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.360 these people for their own political agenda, and how the 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:37.320 shooters online activity shows a growing fascination with mass shootings 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.479 this past year. Here's that conversation. 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:49.000 I'm sure everyone knows that right now in canada's a 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.960 nation in mourning. And I also did probably want to 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.480 start this out by reading the names of the deceased, 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:57.840 because it's one of the things that the families have 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.480 been asking for. And so the victims from the I'merridge 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:04.440 Secondary School shooting are Abel Wanza who was twelve, Ezekiel 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.960 Schofield who was thirteen, Kylie Smith who was twelve, Soybnoit 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:11.840 who was twelve, Takaria Lampert who was twelve, Shanda have 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.000 Iguanda Duran who's thirty nine, Emitt Jacobs who was eleven, 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:18.400 and Jennifer Jacobs who was thirty nine years old. So 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:22.320 I guess I'll start with Garrison. How have you been 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:25.920 processing and or tracking the story since it happened. 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:31.240 Yeah, pretty horrifying incident that happened last Tuesday. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:33.560 Very soon after it. 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.839 Happened, there was like right wing narratives trying to use 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:42.000 the deaths of these children and family members for their 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.440 own political agenda. And I started tracking that pretty soon, 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.440 and then also trying to like verify as much information 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:52.560 I about the actual circumstances of the shooting and who 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.880 the shooter was, you know, around that same time. Things 0:02:55.880 --> 0:03:00.120 have gotten pretty clear now a few days later. But 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.040 I mean, it's been a nightmare to sort through all 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.919 this stuff, especially all of like the political opportunism being 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.840 done by a variety of right wing influencers and you know, 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:11.880 quote unquote news agencies. 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:14.560 Yeah, I was doing the same thing. Like right after 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:17.480 the event happened. I noticed that there was a lot 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.720 of for people who don't know, right wing online operatives 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:25.200 like the plub Reporter and Juno News and cat Canada 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:28.000 and these are all very popular right wing social media 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.200 accounts on Twitter in Canada or at least based in 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:34.040 Canada for their origins, but then they usually get retweeted, 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.600 quote tweeted and amplified eventually by the far right in 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.920 the US, which has a very corrosive effect. And I 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:42.400 think but like by the time we're talking about this 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.520 right now, I saw that like Donald Trump Junior, the 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.920 son of the Presidents of the United States is doing 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.040 an entire I assume blowed out of his mind rumble 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.840 special on the shooting, just uniquely going after trans people 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:58.920 the entire time, Like for a small little town of 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.920 what like just over twenty four hundred people, that it 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.440 has to be beyond like a shell shock to first 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.960 have to go through something that's horrifying and then deal 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.280 with the international right wing apparatus. 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:13.760 Yeah, and they're going through the motions right like this 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.040 is not the first time, it won't be the last 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:19.520 time that they try to do something like this. It's 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.880 not getting as much traction, I think as it used 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:23.400 to do. There's a lot of other stuff happening in 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.080 the States around the time, Like news was breaking in 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.280 the States about the shooting that happened. It was Wednesday 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.800 during Pam Bondi's Epstein hearing, So there's been a lot 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.040 of other stuff happening. So I don't think they've gotten 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:40.000 as much like concentrated attention on this as some of 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.440 the online right has wanted to or you know, like 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:44.640 the Matt Walsh types lips of tech talk that sort 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:48.760 of thing. But they're definitely giving it a go. It's gross, right, 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:50.760 it's gross to use the deaths of all these people. 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.720 Yeah, absolutely, not to mention the way the entire thing's 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:58.120 been framed is abhorrent. I mean, obviously, you know, we're 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.239 speaking from a perspective where we don't want to vilify 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.799 an entire group based on one, like, you know, horrifying 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.400 monster's actions kind of thing, right, because that doesn't happen 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.080 in the other direction for SIS people. And that's what 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:11.320 you got to be quick to point out. But I 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.160 feel like the Matt Walshes and the limbs of TikTok 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.400 have and it's a horrifying thing to say, but like 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:22.520 they're perfect narrative, right, It's kind of like a twisted 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:26.000 way something that're actually quite pleased about. It almost seems likely. 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.279 Yeah, they make a lot of money off this, Yes, yeah, exactly. 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.840 They brought it off of human suffering and they try 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:33.200 to spread as much of it as possible. 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.600 The first aspect I was trying to look at the 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.680 story from was what it was, really, what are the 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.240 families themselves asking for? What does the you know, town 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:44.840 need long terms of support that kind of stuff, And 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:46.840 you move on from that, and then immediately it was well, 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.800 now there's just an overwhelming, very apparent right wing mechanism 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.600 gearing up, and it's going to be kind of devastating 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.320 for a country like Canada that doesn't really have maybe 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.400 or isn't as used to having the eyes of the 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.839 world from the transphobic turf side of the internet. 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.599 Yeah, I want to talk a little bit about Jennifer Strang, 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:12.680 the mother of the shooter, despite being a self described 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:17.600 conservative libertarian and Jesse's mother, publicly supported her transition, made 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.920 posts in supported trans people. In July twenty twenty four, 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:24.480 she shared a LGBTQ Pride graphic reading good people don't 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:28.800 spend their time harassing marginalized communities and wrote quote as 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.240 a conservative leaning libertarian who lives in the North and 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.200 loves living in a small town. I really hope the 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.640 hate I see online is just bored old people and 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.680 not true hatred. Do better and educate yourself before spewing 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:42.440 bullshit online makes you look dumb, evolve. I normally don't 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.719 say anything. I normally don't go on shitbook to see 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.320 the keyboard warriors, and I know I can't control or 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.160 shield my kids from everything, but please, for the love 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:52.680 of fuck, can you get your shit together, so we 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:54.080 don't have to bring our kids up in a world 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.159 full of hatred. Do you have any idea how many 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.440 kids are killing themselves over this kind of hate? Please 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:02.400 stop the bullshit quote. So, pretty soon after this shooting, 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.839 based on an early active shooter report describing the shooter 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.160 as a quote unquote female in address with brown hair, 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.840 online right wing accounts started trying to identify who this 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:16.480 possible shooter was by looking at trans people in the 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:21.600 area of Tumblr Ridge. They misidentified one person who is 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:26.280 a relative of this shooter, but put out photographs of 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.120 them claiming that she was the shooter. This person is 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:32.080 now having to like lock down all of their accounts 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.400 and is scared to go outside to do the horrific 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:35.720 wave of harassment they're facing. 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.640 What is wild about that aspect of the story is 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:42.240 I've seen accounts like the Blood reporter who popularized, you know, 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.480 publishing that photo, but I think Rachel Gilmore is the 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.040 one who also pointed out that there was the misuse 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:51.560 of a photo in an actual CBC radio broadcast image 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.640 thumbnail as well, which it is also kind of just 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:56.920 shocking to hear because these are again innocent people who 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.120 might have targets now put on their back because they're 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.000 being directly identified as some kind of a mass shooter 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.239 or monster. And then in addition to that, like now, 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.520 I'm wondering how much of this is going to be 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.920 something that they're capable of containing, especially considering that it's 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:16.000 been still proliferated. Like I saw an account called bricks News, 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:19.080 which I assumed would be about bricks, you know, the 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.600 economic lines between a number of different nations, and instead 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.680 was publishing the false photo of again a completely innocent 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.720 person and sad like I think at the time, seventeen 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:31.720 thousand likes, you know, hundreds of thousands of impressions. It's 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:32.559 really dangerous. 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.360 I mean, yeah, I mean that's part of the intent here. 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.120 You know, places like Kubia Farms trailblaze a lot of 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.960 this quote unquote early research, and the point is to 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.160 cast as large of than as possible, to damage as 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.920 many trans people as they can using horrific events like this. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.760 The cruelty is part of the point, and you know, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.480 blame gets laid at a you know, a combination of 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:58.920 trends enabled mental delusion SSRIs and hormones, saying that those 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:02.160 things are causing the shooting well before we've any evidence 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.679 to determine what types of medications someone could be on 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.400 who they actually are, or any possible motive. One kind 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:11.920 of crude thing that I've seen a lot is right 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.320 wing accounts like you know, end Wokeness, allegedly Jack Pisovic 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.240 saying that you know, the shooter quote unquote gunned down 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.560 thirty five kids to make it seem like, you know, 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.599 massacre of such a such a large magnitude, right, The 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.120 number of kids that that have been killed and other 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.920 other people as well, obviously is like horrific. Thirty five 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.679 people were not shot in this shooting, though there was 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.560 twenty five people with non gunshot related injuries as a 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.480 result of the incident, and that is the number that 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:43.040 that people are framing as being, you know, total number 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:46.559 of people shot, which just isn't true. And then they 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:50.120 also very quickly start sharing you know, unsourced graphs. I'm 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.400 sure you've seen stuff like this, right saying that you know, 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.319 trans girls make up the highest demographic of mass shooters 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.439 per capita. You see these things go all over the place. 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.200 By the world's richest men. He's sharing that a lot 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:02.040 online right now. 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:04.520 Yeah, I mean and this is this has been a 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.560 thing the past three years. Right, this is something they've 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.760 been doing well before any any actual incident can be 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:14.840 even used to create data. They've they've created fake graphs 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.640 that show this, those factors that get people to you know, 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:19.720 believe these sorts of things. Right, There is certainly a 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.120 selection bias that determines which types of shootings gets like 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:27.000 a lot of media attention. And the other issue that 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:30.640 I've talked about a lot in previous shootings is there's 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.800 a lot of different definitions of a mass shooting, you know, 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.840 mass shooting versus a mass killing, versus like a school shooting. Right, 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.400 all these are different terms. Even the term school shooting 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:42.920 can be used to refer to a variety of very 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.040 different incidents revolving around gun violence. 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:45.320 Right. 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.200 There can be gang related violence at a school. There 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.280 can be shots fired as an escalation of a physical fight, 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.600 Students bringing guns to school and accidentally firing them, which 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:56.840 happens more often than what you would think, like as 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.200 someone who just brings a gun in their backpack, not 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.840 intending to do a shoot, but it accidentally fires into school. 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:04.839 This happens multiple times a year. 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.280 There's you know, shootings there dormitories, right, those get counted 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.599 as mass shootings at like you know, a college dormitory. 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.520 It's in our personal violence. There's you know, neighborhood shooting 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.480 set effect, but aren't targeting the school like drive by 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.720 shootings or even something like the assassination of Charlie Kirk, 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.840 which some people have categorized as a school shooting because 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.280 was on a college campus. Right, But these are all 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.040 very different types of violence, right. These aren't like you know, 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:33.840 intentional you know, mass shooting violence where someone who's trying 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.280 to shoot as many people as possible and then usually 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:36.959 killed themselves. 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:37.120 Right. 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.439 That's that's that's a different thing than a lot of 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.560 these other other things that I mentioned, but they all 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:43.800 get lumped under this one label of school shooting. And 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.040 all these different you know, data collection criteria could produce 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.680 very different stats. And depending whether you're measuring your injuries 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.800 versus deaths, you know, specific weapons like knives versus guns, 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.600 and how many years are being sampled, or if there's 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.360 connections to other violent activity, there could be very very 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.800 different results and how you categorize you know, mass killings 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:05.200 or mass shootings. The Mass Killing Database has six hundred 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.080 and thirty one incidents in the United States since two 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:11.240 thousand and six, of which about one to three gets 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.120 kind of unclear. One to three are done by people 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.400 who have been reported as transgender, which is an underrepresented 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.560 ample size. The Violence Project has one transgender mass shooter 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.640 in their database of about one hundred and ninety five 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:26.560 mass shootings, and according to the Gun Violence Archive, which 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.679 also measures gunshot injuries not just deaths, fewer than one 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.280 in one thousand mass shooters over the past decade have 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:35.280 been identified as transgender according to a Gallop poll for 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:38.520 twenty twenty three, but two percent of gen Z identify 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.839 as transgender, and if you also count like non binary people, 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.679 it brings it up to four percent. But you can 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.559 have all those stats on hand, if that doesn't really 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.280 do very much. Once you're arguing about statistics and like 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:54.240 semantics of terms, when kids have died, you're kind of 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.920 already starting to lose the emotional battle, right, Like I 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.440 can say all of that, but like that's not actually 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.880 going to be helpful, right, Like, fact checking doesn't work 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.520 to dissuade disinformation, And when you're dealing with such an 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.680 emotionally charge incident like kids being murdered. Having to read 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:14.439 off a paragraph like that just doesn't really help, right. 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.760 Parents just want to know why this is happening and 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.280 what can be un to stop it, And all they 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.080 know is that, you know, since twenty twenty three, there 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.520 has been a series of shootings done by young people 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.360 who either attempted to or did transition genders. Right, That's 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.280 what they know, and they want to know, you know, 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.160 why this is happening and how to stop it. 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:33.080 Yeah. 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.040 One of the things that I've tried to push up against, 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.160 because you are getting a lot of Americans who are 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.560 pushing that narrative right now, is to point out because 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:43.320 I've seen people saying like this epidemic of transmass violence 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.199 is a scorge and I think they're blending Canada in 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.560 the US into one nation because I was like, just 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:52.040 to be clear, this is the first mass shooting committed 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:55.440 by a transperson in Canadian history ever. 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.160 And there's a lot of trans people in British Columbia. 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.880 Yeah, well across the country. I mean, it's one of 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.560 those things for him like this, this this is not 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.480 an epidemic of which like, oh my god, you have 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.559 a high probability of being hurt by a transperson in 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.280 your life. It couldn't be further from the truth, right, 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.080 Like the stats are still overwhelmingly in the other direction. 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.959 You're more likely to be the victim of physical or 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:16.920 sexual violence if you're a transperson, then if you're this. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.680 Person, Yeah, no, that is another problem here is Yeah, 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:22.880 a lot of these you know, data collection tools aren't 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:23.920 counting bolencing Canada. 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:25.440 These are all stuff based into states. 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.880 But for you know, the culture wars, it's not that 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.520 hard to you know, move that border up five hundred 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.440 miles to include things that are happening in Canada in 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.520 a rhetorical sense, for you know your Matt Walsh's or 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:51.840 end wokenesses, even you know your Fox News anchors, right, Yeah, 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.360 this thing that people are talking about on the right 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.080 about this you know, epidemic of trans violence. What this 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:00.960 is also done is created like a counter reaction from 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:05.800 trans influencers to whenever something horrible happens like this, to 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.200 blame these other groups like you know nine A or 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.480 seven six four. Right, this has become something that's also 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.800 now been very consistent. You know, there is a kernel 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.040 of truth in this. This is based on a real 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.680 thing that has happened before, but the invocation of this 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:22.800 has often, you know, expanded greatly beyond it's actual, Like do. 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.160 You explain it for people who are completely unfamiliar because 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:26.800 I remember, like even a year ago, I had to 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:28.720 started reading up I like, what is what is all 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:32.760 this satanic cult for rituals with participation requirements of self 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:33.720 harm and all this stuff? 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:37.080 Like Okay, yeah, you see a lot of people now 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.600 when there's news coverage, you know a lot of trans 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.120 people who have you know, accounts online, you know, talking 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.720 about how quote unquote satanic Nazi pedophiles have groomed another 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.000 vulnerable queer kid into doing a mass shooting. There's a 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.720 viral tweet on semi viral tweet on Twitter right now 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:56.040 that reads quote fuck anyone talking about trends and not 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.160 to Adam Waffen. This includes the cops and the media 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:03.440 like the CBC and BBC. So yeah, what are they 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:07.560 talking about here? You know, Adam Waffin Satanic Nazi pedophile cults. 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.080 I said, you know nine A, seven, six four, right, 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.480 These are originally you know Ninea is this older group, 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:17.360 but as as contemporary internet lore, it is seen as 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:25.600 this neo Nazi occultic organization that grooms people into sexual 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:29.800 exploitation or into doing violence like mass shootings. Seven six 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.440 four is a extortion ring that operated mainly on telegram 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.360 and discord, which tried to get kids to do self harm, 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:42.320 produce blackmail kids. Yeah, they're active across a lot of places, 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.520 but like the organizing hubs were on discord and telegram 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.680 and they you know, attempted to get child sex abuse 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:50.360 material out of these kids and then use that to 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:54.080 blackmail them to get even more material than also encouraging 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:55.400 self harm and acts of violence. 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:57.960 These have been real groups historically. 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:00.640 They are getting cracked down upon pretty heavily, at least 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:02.680 in seven six four's case. Oh nine, it's not really 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:06.200 a real group anymore, arguably, but it exists as like lore. 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.520 And there has been no instances of a seven six 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:14.679 four affiliated people doing public acts of violence. So in 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:18.200 this case, there's been people who have you know, trans 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.640 people online or you know allies who have have said 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:23.920 that this shooting is another one of these instances where 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:27.919 these online groups of you know, Nazis and pedophiles have 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.840 you know, groomed someone into doing violence, and they have 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.000 produced some evidence for this. There was a Twitter account 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:36.960 that allegedly belonged to the shooter that had a profile 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.040 picture of a son andrad on top of a trans flag, 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:40.119 as well as. 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:41.639 The face of the christ Church shooter. 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:45.520 This account had posts glorifying white supremacist mass killers and 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.520 promoting the idea of creating a white homeland in the 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:53.679 Pacific Northwest. This was a Canada based account, but in reality, 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:58.679 this was actually just another Nazis account who changed their 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.040 user name to match that of the Tumblr Ridge shooter. 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:04.520 And this was an attempt to troll people and just 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:09.480 to spread disinformation. And this even fooled the ADL, whose 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:13.159 research standards have dropped dramatically the past three years. But 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:15.520 a few days ago, the ADL put out an article 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.320 where they credited posts made by this Twitter account to 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.159 the Tumblr Ridge shooter and claimed that a quote unquote, 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:25.440 preliminary investigation showed that the shooter had showed interest in 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:29.400 white supremacy. But this was this was not their real account. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.600 This was just someone who also is a fan of 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.360 mass shootings like the shooter was, as we'll soon discuss, 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.680 But this was someone who was just trying to troll 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.680 other other you know, researchers on Twitter and see how 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.639 far their disinformation can spread. This is the consequence of 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:48.159 an organization like the ADL doing preliminary research based on 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.680 Kiwi of arms posts and not actually verifying the information. 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.120 I mean, the fact that I think they're actively pursuing 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.159 Hassan Piker more than Elon Musk is pretty much all 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.560 I need to know in terms of work where they're prioritizing, 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:03.280 you know, the search for racism. 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:06.920 Yeah, I can get into the actual like online footprint 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.000 of the shooter, which we we do have a decent 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:09.639 idea of. 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.160 Actually, well before you get to that, because I think 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:13.960 that's what everyone is kind of interested in. I just 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.760 want to wrap up that last part. So just to 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.119 be clear, when you were mentioning those groups, you know, 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:23.120 seven six four, et cetera, there is no actual history 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:28.360 of the shooter having been into the Nazi the occults 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:29.119 that kind of stuff. 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.640 Based on their presence, they have not been active in 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:36.760 like specific seven six four communities or have showed interest 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:40.159 in like you know, white supremacy, neo Nazism, or you know, 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:45.959 the the occult pedophile Nazism of nine A. This is 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.880 not observable in the online for print that they have left, 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:50.520 which is which is not to say the online foot 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.160 print they have left is you know, normal and good. 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.920 If anything, it does point towards, you know, significant factors 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.439 that are causing kids to do shooting is like this, 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:02.639 and we can trace it to a number of shootings 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:05.960 that have happened. But the nine eight seven six four 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:09.280 thing is more so like a meme at this point 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:11.840 that people similarly deploy the same way that you know, 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.240 the right deploys the know this epidemic of trans violence. 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:16.520 This has to become like a counter meme to say 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.160 that every time a trans person does something bad, it's 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:21.200 actually the fault of nine eight and seven six. 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:24.600 Four, right, because there has been incidences in the past 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:25.600 that could point towards that. 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:29.000 Yeah, there could be there could be suggestions in the past, 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.040 and certainly when seven six four was more active years ago, 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.720 I mean a lot of the kids they were grooming 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:39.000 for child sexual abuse material were a lot of queer kids, 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:42.760 because those kids are uniquely vulnerable and are looking for community. 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.840 But I mean that is the majority of kids affected 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.600 by seven six four are people who have been groomed 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.879 into self harm or producing a child sexual beies material 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:55.240 to circulate among like the organizers of these of these groups. 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:58.040 So it turns out that there isn't really a connection 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:01.200