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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: In the last weeks, a major break in the case

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Speaker 2: of a teen boy farmer who goes missing. That's right,

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Speaker 2: Dylan Rownds goes missing, just nineteen years old. He wanted

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Speaker 2: to start his own farm in Idaho, and he had

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Speaker 2: just planted the first crop on his land in Utah

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Speaker 2: and then vanishes. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for.

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Speaker 1: Being with us.

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Speaker 2: We learn that a Utah squatter is taking a plea

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Speaker 2: deal in the murder of a teen boy farmer.

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Speaker 1: This as he.

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Speaker 2: Leads detectives to skeleton remains his mom explaining how her

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Speaker 2: missing son's cell phone helped crack the case and lead

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Speaker 2: to the squatter's arrest. Young Dylan just scrubbed in sunshine,

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Speaker 2: never had a bad word four.

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Speaker 1: Or two anyone.

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Speaker 2: His last known contact was with his grandmother, telling her

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Speaker 2: over the phone he had to put his grain truck

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Speaker 2: in the shed because it was about drain. So how

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Speaker 2: did this wonderful boy end up dead? Well, the case

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Speaker 2: began to unravel when his remains are found. Who is

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Speaker 2: the so called squatter? It is a violent ex con

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Speaker 2: who had been squatting on property next to the land

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Speaker 2: owned by the nineteen year old bul the Cohn's name

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Speaker 2: James Brenner.

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Speaker 1: What do we know?

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends at Fox thirteen. This

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Speaker 2: land in Lucien, Utah might not look like much, but

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Speaker 2: to nineteen year old Dylan Rounds.

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Speaker 1: It was everything.

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Speaker 3: This is the pond he dug out. He'd talked to

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Speaker 3: me about planting trees around it and stocking fish in it,

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Speaker 3: and just it was just one of his little dreams.

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Speaker 4: Now it's been almost a week and a half since

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Speaker 4: dill In last returned to his camper. His dad, Justin

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Speaker 4: says his son was last seen Memorial Day weekend at

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Speaker 4: the Saddlesore Saloon, a bar thirty miles west of Montello, Nevada.

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Speaker 3: I'm convinced that it's foul play. Every vehicle he has

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Speaker 3: a retractor. Everything is accounted for and in place.

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Speaker 4: One of the last conversations Dylan had with his dad

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Speaker 4: was about his excitement for the crop he had just planted.

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Speaker 3: He wanted to see it grow. He wasn't gonna leave.

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Speaker 3: There was nothing that was going to take him away

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Speaker 3: from here.

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Speaker 1: You know, think of the thing you love them in

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Speaker 1: the world.

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Speaker 2: I know what it is. It's my children, John, David

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Speaker 2: and Lucy. Nothing within my power could separate me from them.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in farmland, and a farmer loves his

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Speaker 2: or her land. It's a love I can't even describe.

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Speaker 2: And this teen boy, Dylan Rounds loved his land. His hopes,

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Speaker 2: his dreams, his plans, his futures all.

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Speaker 1: Wrapped up in that land. So why would he leave it?

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Speaker 1: He wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: With me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now about the disappearance of this

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Speaker 2: teen boy, Dylan Rounds. But before I introduce them, I

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Speaker 2: want to go to a very special guest joining us.

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Speaker 2: This is Dylan's mother, Candice Cooley. Miss Kelly, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us.

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Speaker 5: You're welcome. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Miss Coolly.

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Speaker 2: Before I get into the entire story about what you've

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Speaker 2: been through and what your family's discovered so far in

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Speaker 2: the search you did, I want you to tell me

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Speaker 2: about the moment you realize Dylan is missing.

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Speaker 5: So it was Memorial Day, Monday, May thirtieth, and Dylan's

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Speaker 5: friend JD called me around eleven o'clock. I was working

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Speaker 5: in my office and asked if I had heard from Dylan.

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Speaker 5: And I said no, and he said, well, Karen called

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Speaker 5: and said they haven't heard from him from Saturday. Now,

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Speaker 5: it is not typical for Dylan to go two or

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Speaker 5: three days without talking to him, but he always talks

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Speaker 5: to either myself, his father, Justin, or his grandparents. So

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Speaker 5: when we put together that he had not talked to

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Speaker 5: He was just trying to finish up before the rain

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Speaker 5: because there was rain, and we send that weekend to

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Speaker 5: make sure his crop was in. And I knew because

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Speaker 5: he should have called us all and been like I finished,

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Speaker 5: rain's going to get on it. This is great. And

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Speaker 5: nobody had heard anything since Saturday morning, May twenty eighth,

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Speaker 2: Okay, how are you pinpointing that time? Saturday morning at

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Speaker 2: six fifty one?

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Speaker 1: Phone record of phone records yep, okay, And what does

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Speaker 5: So he'd called he was talked to his grandmother actually,

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Speaker 5: and she called him and he said, I can't talk.

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Speaker 5: You know, I got to get my seed truck, my

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Speaker 5: grain truck. He has a ten wheeler full of his

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Speaker 5: trio to Kaylee seed. I got to get it.

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Speaker 5: It's raining because you know the rain, well, we're in

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Speaker 5: the seed. He had a tarp on it, but it

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Speaker 5: wasn't the best tart there was hole. So he was

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Speaker 5: just trying to protect his feed and take it to

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Speaker 5: protect it. And then he said, I'll call you back,

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Speaker 5: and nobody has heard from him, Sam.

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Speaker 2: And that was six point fifty one am on May

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Speaker 2: twenty eight, correct. And May twenty eight was what day

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Speaker 2: of the week, Saturday, So he was working on Saturday

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Speaker 2: morning before seven am.

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Speaker 5: Correct. Always I get up, breathing and get going. A

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Speaker 2: People don't can't connect with farmers hours. We grew up

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Speaker 2: on farmers hours, so I'm up every day at least

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Speaker 2: at five. But most people are on you know, they

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Speaker 2: were revolve it around going to school and work. Correct,

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Speaker 2: But it's not typical. It is typical for him to

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Speaker 2: be up very early in the morning. So speaking to

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Speaker 2: his grandmother at six fifty one am would have been normal.

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Speaker 5: Correct, And the only time you know he sleep in

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Speaker 5: and beat if he was up bail and hair, all right,

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Speaker 5: you know, he won't doesn't go to bed till four

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Speaker 5: he'll sleep till eight.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's a pretty big endeavor for a nineteen

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Speaker 1: How did that happen?

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Speaker 5: So his grandfather and him partnered on this farm where

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Speaker 5: the family farm is with his fathers up in eastern Idaho,

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Speaker 5: the Idol Falls area, and ground is just too expensive.

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Speaker 5: So Dylan's always done custom work since he was sixteen,

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Speaker 5: you know, working for farmers. He got a tractor, he

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Speaker 5: got a baylor, he go do custom work, and he's

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Speaker 5: been saving and saving, and so him and his grandfather

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Speaker 5: partnered on this farm so that he could start doing

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Speaker 5: his own the last couple of years, you know, he

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Speaker 5: hauls beats in a semi, a full semi in Idaho

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Speaker 5: you don't have to have a CEO or be twenty one.

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Speaker 5: He's done that for two years. So he's been constantly

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Speaker 5: saving money, you know, so that he can work towards putting.

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Speaker 1: His crop in what is custom work, So.

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Speaker 5: That's bailing somebody else's hey, hauling somebody else's product, swathing

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Speaker 5: somebody else's hey. Also just doing the same exact work,

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Speaker 5: but doing it with your equipment. But it's somebody else's crop, gotcha.

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Speaker 2: But now he's doing his own thing on that landy

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Speaker 2: and his grandfather partnered on, right, He.

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Speaker 1: Still does both.

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Speaker 5: So he spent half of the spring helping the wine

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Speaker 5: Cup Gamble tear out some ground. He drilled all of

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Speaker 5: the seat and do everything on his own farm. So

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Speaker 5: he still does both. I mean the kid works all

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Speaker 5: the time. The only time he gets a little bit

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Speaker 2: To doctor Jory Crawls and joining me, psychologist faculty Saint

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Speaker 2: Leo University and author of Operation Soos, Doctor Jory.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with me. I'm listening to Kennie Coolly.

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Speaker 2: This is Dylan's mom, and I'm learning something about him.

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Speaker 2: And this is very important to the investigation. And I'll

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Speaker 2: ask Deputy Chief Elwood and Justin Borman to jump in

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Speaker 2: on this. But if you trust somebody to come on

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Speaker 2: in the crop. That is a very trustworthy, reliable person.

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Speaker 2: Somebody that's up at four and five in the morning,

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Speaker 2: works till four am bringing in a crop. That tells me,

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Speaker 2: this is not like a lot of people that go missing.

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Speaker 2: They're out on the street, they're doing drugs, they're in

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Speaker 2: You see what I mean. This is not a high

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Speaker 2: risk life. It's a hard working life. Somebody trustworthy that

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Speaker 2: your future, that's your money for the whole next year

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Speaker 1: And people would bring this nineteen year old boy in

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Speaker 1: to do a man's work. That's very un I tell

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Speaker 1: you what tail me, Candice.

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Speaker 5: He started so when Dylan was fourteen fifty thirteen fourteen fifteen,

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Speaker 5: he was so frustrated because no farmer could hire him

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Speaker 5: because of workman's comp issues in Idaho. So when he

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Speaker 5: turned sixteen, he was so happy. We have a huge

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Speaker 5: potato farmer here named Albert Lockwood, and they hired Dylan

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Speaker 5: at sixteen to come drive a crossover. So your crossover

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Speaker 5: digs a whole bunch of rows of potatoes, puts them

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Speaker 5: much work. It just cuts down some of the work.

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Speaker 5: That's the pictures of him on the tractor I put

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Speaker 5: on Facebook. Sixteen years old, and you have Albertson OLDI

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Speaker 5: gentleman in late seventies. I'm not exactly sure you have

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Speaker 5: him who's done potatoes his whole life, saying this is

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Speaker 5: one of the best operators I've ever had.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Dylan Round's a teen boy farmer from Idaho, set out

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Speaker 2: on his own in Utah and was expecting his very

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Speaker 2: first harvest when he vanishes seemingly into thin air. Then

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Speaker 2: we hear a fifty nine year old James Brenner, who

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Speaker 2: once shot a man at a Maryland campground in the

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighties over a work dispute. He's out walking free.

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Speaker 2: He was squatting on the land next to Dylan's property,

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Speaker 2: and it was there authorities found Dylan's boots and farm truck.

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Speaker 2: We learned this from court documents. They then found blood

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Speaker 2: on one of the boots, including Brenner's DNA. Now this

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Speaker 2: is according to the criminal complaint. Dylan's mother has been

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Speaker 2: through pure hell. Renner's past criminal history also includes malicious wounding,

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Speaker 2: malicious shooting, and three prior convictions for fell in a

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Speaker 2: possession of a firearm.

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Speaker 1: He had no work.

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Speaker 2: History, was unemployed, and had no verifiable residence. He was

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Speaker 2: trespassing and squatting on property near Dylan's.

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Speaker 1: What more do we know?

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Speaker 2: You got to really trust somebody to have them on

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Speaker 2: your farm, possibly with your equipment and your land and

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Speaker 2: your crop. So, doctor Jory, that's telling me a lot

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Speaker 2: about where is Dylan. It's not that he's out in

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Speaker 6: No, not at all. You know, I'm a behaviorist and

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Speaker 4: The Box Elder County Sheriff's Department and Weber County Fire

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Speaker 3: They call off the search Box Elder because they were

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Speaker 4: His boots were found five miles west of his camper.

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget the look on Kndas's face, but I

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Speaker 4: Each day is agony for his family who live all

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Speaker 3: I just came back today just to kind of poke

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Speaker 4: If you know anything about Dylan's disappearance, his family is

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Speaker 2: This is such a good, good boy, you know, willieve me?

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to Dave mac crime online.

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Speaker 7: Dylan Rownds has been a farmer since he was a

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Speaker 7: and sweetcorn to sell. Citizens of the Rigby community knew

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Speaker 7: every summer there would be Dylan sweetcorn for sale under

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Speaker 2: And you know a lot of people Dylan's age, so

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and Dylan go ahead. He never did any that.

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Speaker 5: He wasn't the football game kid. He wasn't. He didn't

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Speaker 5: That's all he wanted to do. He also, you take

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Speaker 2: Wow, doesn't know how to play video games? That really

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Speaker 2: does sum it up? What would make Dylan Rounds happy?

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Speaker 2: This team boy take a listen to Dave mattcrimeonline dot com.

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Speaker 7: Dylan lives by himself in a camper trailer on a

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Speaker 7: May twenty eighth. Dylan had been busy getting his crops

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Speaker 2: Joining you right now special guests Nate Eaton, our friend,

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Speaker 2: the colleague and news director of East Idaho News dot com.

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Speaker 2: You can find them on Twitter at Nate news Now. Nate,

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Speaker 2: start at the beginning, don't leave anything out.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 9: As Candace said, this all started when Dylan spoke with

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Speaker 9: got to get off the phone so that I can

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Speaker 9: get this seed in. And then by Monday morning, when

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Speaker 9: the family had not heard anything from him. They drove

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Speaker 9: to the farm. What's interesting is when I spoke with

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Speaker 9: kandas the other day Nancy, Dylan's pickup truck was still there,

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Speaker 9: but it appeared as if it had been pressure washed.

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Speaker 9: It was clean, but it had been raining and it

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Speaker 9: clean and was left there right outside of Dylan's camp

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Speaker 5: I don't like that.

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Speaker 2: And Candace Coolly, I hear you jumping in, guys, this

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Speaker 1: She's saying that the.

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Speaker 2: Truck looked pressure washed. And I just heard Candace say

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Speaker 2: that there were no tracks, and you think there would

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Speaker 1: But also, so tell me about the seat position.

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Speaker 2: A lot of you may remember the Tara Grinstead cases,

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Speaker 2: she would have had. It was way back like when

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Speaker 2: I'm five to one, when I get in the car.

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Speaker 2: My husband, who was six ' three has been in

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Speaker 2: up right, same thing here, right, Cannae.

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Speaker 5: Cooley, Yes, exact, same thing. And I am forur eleven

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Speaker 5: and Dylan is between five ten and five eleven, and

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Speaker 5: he is all late. His seat is all the way back,

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Speaker 5: his steering was up, and it was I could drive it.

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Speaker 5: I could have comfortably drive it without movies the seat.

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Speaker 1: So that's not right at all.

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Speaker 5: And there were no tracks behind the pickup. It was

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Speaker 5: our daughter Brooklyn pulled in. We left tracks on Monday. Still,

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Speaker 5: if that pickup would have moved Saturday, there would have

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Speaker 5: And we were told the two gentlemen that worked with

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Speaker 5: went out to the farm to find Dylan, walked around

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Speaker 5: the pickup, walked around the camper, tried to you know,

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Speaker 5: what's going on. Why didn't they leave footprints? We were

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Kurt Nurmi joining me as you know him, renowned defense attorney,

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Speaker 2: cast member wrought Radical Body Transformation Season three, Amazon Prime

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Speaker 2: and author of trapped with miss Arias. You will remember

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Speaker 2: him from defending Jody Arias. Kurt Neerm, I'm not holding

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Speaker 2: that against you, isn't it true?

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Speaker 1: Kurt Nurmy?

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Speaker 2: How one detail we're talking about his truck learned so

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Speaker 1: Kirtin Army.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, Nancy. When I think about this truck

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Speaker 8: I wonder about how far it travels. Did somebody have

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Speaker 8: How many gas stations are there in town? Have they

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Speaker 8: been looking really one? Have these workers been questioned? So

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Speaker 8: there's not too many people in this circle. You know,

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Speaker 8: this is an industrious young man, passionate about his farming.

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Speaker 8: He's not going to be distracted by too much. And

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Speaker 8: we know that he had these two workers. And I

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Speaker 8: Where was a pressure wash? Is there a car wash somewhere?

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Speaker 8: Did somebody have? All these things need to be looked at.

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Speaker 5: No, there's no car washing. Montella was a count of

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it could have been that Crime Stories with

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Speaker 2: The case of the disappearance of Dylan arounds a teen

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Speaker 2: boy from Idaho who struck out on his own to

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Speaker 2: be a farmer in Utah. It's all unraveling. According to

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Speaker 2: Dylan goes missing, the perp Brenner asks the neighbor to

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Speaker 2: that Brennan was charged with felon in possession of a firearm.

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Speaker 2: You know, compare him to Dylan Rounds, who struck out

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Speaker 1: What more do we know? Now?

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Speaker 2: The first thing I would be considering, and I'm going

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Speaker 2: to go out to you Justin Boorman, former Special Victims

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Speaker 2: Unit detective, author of I Was Wrong, Investigator's battle cry

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Speaker 2: for change within the Special Victims Unit. Justin, I want

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Speaker 2: to look at his circle, who knows him, who would

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Speaker 2: Eastsidaho News dot com. Was he seen by anyone after

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Speaker 2: he spoke to the grandmother at six point fifty one

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Speaker 1: Saturday five twenty eight?

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Speaker 9: So please are saying that the cell phone from that

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Speaker 1: Away before or after the phone call.

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Speaker 9: That was before the phone call was okay, Canada, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, So he was thirty miles away in Nevada before

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Speaker 2: Justin jump in, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 10: So you know, one of the things that I certainly

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Speaker 10: of course, swabbing the gear with the temp right, let.

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Speaker 5: Me tell you real quick box elder let us take

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Speaker 1: Without processing it fits.

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Speaker 5: They never touched the pickup. And I've got that message

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Speaker 5: from the detective saying, can we take the pickup home?

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Speaker 5: Do you need it? It's yours, do whatever you want

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Speaker 5: with it. They process nothing, guys, not the pickup, not

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Speaker 5: the green trus, not the camper. Nothing. The boots didn't

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Speaker 5: even make it to the lab. We found them Monday,

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Speaker 11: And then we were since told by detectives that there

441
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Speaker 11: was a spot of blood on the boots and they

442
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Speaker 11: were being sent to the lab. And this was on Wednesday,

443
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Speaker 11: Wednesday or Thursday.

444
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: But after that, after that.

445
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Speaker 5: Saturday, so the boots were found Monday, then we were

446
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 5: told this. Then we found out from detectives the boots

447
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 5: had not been sent to the lab. And this was

448
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 5: on Saturday when they came back out that they were

449
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 5: being held in case the cadaver dogs needed in which

450
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 5: cadaver dogs do not need a cent They searched for

451
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 5: human remains, so the boots just didn't get sent in.

452
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Speaker 2: Okay to John Elwood, Deputy Chief Manateee County Search and Rescue,

453
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Speaker 2: and you can find them at Manchee County sar dot org.

454
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Speaker 1: John Elwood, what should we be doing right now?

455
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Speaker 12: That's agreeable question and listening to missus Cooley and again,

456
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 12: my family's prayers to you and your family that once

457
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,239
Speaker 12: where the pickup truck was. If they were able to

458
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 12: obtain a scent article, something that Dylan had worn, you

459
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 12: could use a tracking dog to see if you could

460
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Speaker 12: determine the direction of travel. If you could at least

461
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Speaker 12: get a direction of travel, then you might have an

462
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Speaker 12: area of where you would be inclined to search. Somebody

463
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 12: mentioned earlier about cadaver dogs. Cadaver dogs don't work off

464
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Speaker 12: of a scent article like tracking dogs do. Go ahead, Nancy, I'm.

465
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Speaker 1: Sorry, I believe that was Kennus Cooley. Miss Cooley, are

466
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: you jumping in?

467
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 8: Yeah?

468
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Speaker 5: So I agree with that we needed a scent dog

469
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 5: I actually breed bloodhounds for part of my living, and

470
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Speaker 5: I called in to talk to people I knew with

471
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 5: them to bring them in.

472
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Speaker 1: Here is the problem.

473
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 5: Now, by time we could have got dogs there, they

474
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 5: had no interest in having the bloodhounds there. They said

475
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 5: there was too much rain. Blah blah blah. Now it's gone.

476
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 5: There is absolutely no chance after having over three to

477
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 5: four hundred people crawl all over that a bloodhound is

478
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 5: going to find Dylan sent and follow it somewhere. It's

479
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 5: not going to happen.

480
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Speaker 1: Too much time is less, Kurry.

481
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Speaker 2: Nerman, you're hearing what is being said about bloodhounds and

482
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Speaker 2: the ability to track a cent. But as you will recall,

483
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: in the Scott Peterson case, a tracker dog tracked Lacy

484
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 2: Peterson from her home on Cavena all the way to

485
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Speaker 2: the San Francisco Bay, and it had been raining, and

486
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 2: there had been cars over where, many many cars between

487
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 2: the time Lacey was taken, her body was taken, and

488
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Speaker 2: the time the tracker dog got going.

489
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Speaker 1: I mean, it can be done. I don't care if

490
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Speaker 1: it's rained.

491
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Speaker 2: I have had accelerant dogs find accelerant underwater, okay, So

492
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: I would not rule out using a tracker dog now,

493
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 2: Kurt and Army, because I've seen it done.

494
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Speaker 8: No, I wouldn't roll out anything at all. Going back

495
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 8: to what was said about the pickup truck, I'd be

496
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 8: trying to pull everything I could off that pickup truck

497
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 8: and using the dogs as best I could, because it's

498
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 8: worth a shot. Every effort should be extended, no matter

499
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Speaker 8: how improbable.

500
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: Yes, And speaking of the search from an unlikely source,

501
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: the Diesel brothers, I'm sure you've seen them on Discovery

502
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 2: have joined the search for Dylan.

503
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Speaker 1: Listen kind of.

504
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Speaker 11: With you guys's eyes and sky, you know, watch freshly

505
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 11: turned up dirt. I mean, you guys know what to

506
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 11: look for, just any disturbance that shouldn't be there. This

507
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 11: desert's pretty much all the same.

508
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 12: Yeah, So that way we'll find Yeah, basically just a

509
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 12: trailer at cam trailer.

510
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: You'll see the pivot his pickup.

511
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 5: There's all kinds of equipment. Yeah you can't.

512
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, it's all of his stuff's out there straight

513
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 11: through see that dirt, Kyle. Yeh.

514
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 5: His boots were just tossed out right behind that.

515
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 11: And there was nothing else around them, know nothing.

516
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

517
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, were they on the far side of the way

518
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 8: on the road, so you wouldn't see them from the road.

519
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: And that's all you guys have found so far.

520
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have nothing else.

521
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: And they, like said, search and rescue.

522
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Speaker 11: They were out here the first night they got here

523
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 11: what maybe five They didn't even take off and looking

524
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 11: until pay seven point thirty. Then they build and then

525
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 11: they came back maybe six hours that day. And then

526
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 11: they said, we're calling it nail it.

527
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand something.

528
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: They and you're hearing the Diesel brothers talking to Dylan's mom,

529
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: But is that correct? After six hours on the scene,

530
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: law enforcement just left. They didn't process the vehicle, we

531
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: don't know about the boots, and they haven't called in

532
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: search or cadaver dogs.

533
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, the family's continually run into these issues with law enforcement.

534
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 9: The fact that that we're talking about two jurisdictions here,

535
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 9: one in Utah, one in Nevada with a border down

536
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 9: the middle, and of course there's jurisdictional issues over who

537
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 9: has the rights to this and that, and from candas

538
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 9: it sounds like you're getting helped from the Nevada side,

539
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 9: but the Utah side where Dylan actually lived, where this

540
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 9: camper was, where the booths were found, where the truck was,

541
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 9: where all of his property was. It sounds like they're

542
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 9: just hitting wall after wall.

543
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: Correct.

544
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 5: So Utah has told me multiple times that Nevada will

545
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 5: do what if Nevada wants to come to Like basically,

546
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 5: we're not you know, we're not reaching out to Nevada.

547
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 5: What I since found out is I met on Friday.

548
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 5: I sat with first some Nevada detectives, the sergeant, and

549
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 5: even the sheriff himself for almost five hours and I

550
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 5: went through the case from top to bottom. We started

551
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 5: with everything. They have reached out to Utah multiple times.

552
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 5: Where do you want to deploy? Where do you want search?

553
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 5: And izeky, we're in this with you. Utah has been

554
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 5: the one that has declined the help. Utah has not

555
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 5: accepted and say, hey, come help us find this kid.

556
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: Well, can you tell me night eight about the possibility

557
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: that somebody has him and wants ransom.

558
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 9: Well, that was the original call the family made in

559
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 9: order to get law enforcement involved. I believe it was

560
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 9: Dylan's father who called the sheriff'spics and said this. According

561
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 9: to the police too, that they got a call to

562
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Speaker 9: go to Elko, Nevada. That someone was being held hostage,

563
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 9: and you know, in the beginning, there were some thoughts

564
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 9: that there was this man that Dylan met in the

565
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 9: middle of nowhere who asked him for a ride, who

566
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Speaker 9: has a suspicious criminal background. There was some finger pointing

567
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 9: that maybe this guy might know something. But Candace has

568
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 9: actually spoken with this man. He's in custody in Utah

569
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 9: in a facility, and they believe that he probably doesn't

570
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 9: have anything to do with Dylan's disappearance. But fingers were

571
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 9: pointed at him. You know, from the beginning, sounds like

572
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 9: that's not so much anymore.

573
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Speaker 2: Okay, what can you tell me about the ransom call

574
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: to Candace?

575
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 5: It was not a ransom call. This is what happened.

576
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 5: One of the local citizens of Montello called me on Tuesday,

577
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 5: the second day in the search. Instead, they're holding and

578
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 5: hostage and basically he might still be alive or not,

579
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 5: and they give us a specific location. And so that

580
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 5: is when Justin called. So I talked to this this

581
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 5: guy three times. So we all hauld butt into Montello.

582
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 5: Not Elco is in Montello. So Justin calls Utah, Utah

583
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 5: detective and they say, well, that's in Nevada.

584
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 9: We're not.

585
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 5: It's not us. We need to call Nevada. So Justin

586
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 5: told them, if you don't get somebody out here, I'm

587
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 5: going to take it into my own hands. So detective

588
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 5: from Utah called Nevada. I called nine one one into Elko.

589
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 5: I tell them what's going on. So Elko sends out

590
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Speaker 5: six deputies. We're furious, we're frustrated. We think our son's

591
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 5: right down the boss. These these local people are telling

592
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 5: us they got them, they got them. They chasing this

593
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 5: other guy, they got him. They're holding the hostage, they're

594
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 5: beating them, they're you know, they're telling us all this stuff.

595
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 5: And but what Elko did not know when I called

596
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 5: in is that my son was missing, because Utah never

597
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 5: told them.

598
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: So let me understand, Ms. Cooley, there was no ransom call. Correct,

599
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: Then where did that even come from?

600
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Speaker 5: I have no clue. If you go back through all

601
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 5: my interviews, I never said that. I said we got

602
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 5: a call saying Dylan was being held hostage. Right, ransom

603
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 5: has never came out of me.

604
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: That your son is being held.

605
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 5: The guy's name is Kurt.

606
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: Kurt calls me. Kurt did work.

607
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 5: For Dylan, So we can clarify this and people can

608
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 5: understand that is his name. Kurt called me and said,

609
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 5: Chase and this other guy have Dylan. Who is in

610
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 5: this house.

611
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: Who is Chase case?

612
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 5: This is the guy that Dylan had picked up in

613
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 5: the middle of the desert from Wednesday to twenty fifth,

614
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 5: that we had as a person of interest, the one

615
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 5: that is now in the Utah jail on unrelated charges.

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Speaker 1: Okay, got it. So Kurt tells you, Chase and.

617
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 5: This other gentleman have Dylan. They're holding them hostage in

618
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 5: this other gentleman's house. He may or may not be alive,

619
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Speaker 5: and they're beating them.

620
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: He's all over the board.

621
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Speaker 5: But at this point we're still looking for Chase actively,

622
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 5: you know, trying to find him. So I hang on

623
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 5: the phone with Kurt. He calls me back ten minutes later.

624
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: He goes through it again.

625
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 5: He's like, and he may be at this house, or

626
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 5: he may be at this house, but we're watching this house,

627
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 5: and we know they have Phils, we know they have Dylan.

628
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 5: That's what I'm told. So Justin and I get on

629
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,719
Speaker 5: the phone with them. We hit the same story. They

630
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 5: got Dylan, they took Dyling. So that's when we haul

631
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 5: but into Montello, and that's when the nine to one

632
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 5: to one call came in to Elko that I said,

633
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Speaker 5: they have my son. He's being held hostage. We need

634
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 5: somebody out there now. So when they they did send they,

635
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 5: like I said, they sent six people. But when they

636
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 5: got there and they went to this other person's house,

637
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 5: Chase was nowhere around the other person. The other gentleman

638
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 5: allowed them to search the vehicles, the house, the property,

639
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 5: the shift, absolutely everything. There was nothing Kurt lied to us.

640
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: Why.

641
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 5: I don't know. That's a really good question.

642
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: Stuff right there, right there, Deputy Chief Manage County Search

643
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: and Rescue, John Elwood, Right there, that's the problem. Why

644
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: would you call a missing kids mom and say your

645
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: son's being held over here when he's not right there?

646
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: Why?

647
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 12: Sure? The question I would ask is when Candace received

648
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 12: this phone phone call? Was it before the news story

649
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 12: about her son's disappearance or after?

650
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: What about it? Candace? Before and after it was bought?

651
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: Before it was before? What's your point? John Elwood?

652
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 12: Then that to me would add more credence to the

653
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 12: claim that Dylan's being held hostage.

654
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: Hey, what would say? And I am crazy land because.

655
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 2: They went to the location and he was not being

656
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: hell hostage there. There's no credence to the hostage situation

657
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 2: because that's not true. Kirk nurmed me with me, high

658
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: profile lawyer Kirk right there. The acquaintance Kirk who had

659
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: worked for Dylan Rounds calls in with this information. I mean,

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Speaker 2: let's get real, Kirk. We've got to look at his

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Speaker 2: circle of acquaintances. He's there on his farm at six

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Speaker 2: fifty one am. That's where he calls his grandma. He's

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Speaker 2: not seen or heard from since. This has got to

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Speaker 2: be someone within his circle. The phone pings there, wasn't

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Speaker 2: the phone found there, Nate Eaton.

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Speaker 10: They have not found his phone or his wallet.

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Speaker 2: No phone, No, thank you for telling me that his

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Speaker 2: boots are not far away.

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Speaker 1: The phone pings from there. Somebody took him from there.

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Speaker 1: That are alive.

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Speaker 2: Somebody took him from their Kirk Nurmy, and it's got

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Speaker 2: to be somebody that would be out on the farm

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Speaker 2: in box elder.

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Speaker 8: You bet, Nancy. That's why my first my first stop

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Speaker 8: would be the two people that work for him, as

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Speaker 8: well as this chase person is in custody, he would

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Speaker 8: be being interrogated. But Also, now we have this tip,

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Speaker 8: even though it's fault, this idea that someone called in

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Speaker 8: before the police reports, before it hit the media, to

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Speaker 8: say that he's being held hostage. What is this person doing?

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Speaker 8: What is their true motive? Are they exploring? Are they

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Speaker 8: trying to find out what's going on with the investigation?

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Speaker 8: So I'd be having the abilities look at Kirt.

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Speaker 1: What about this, Kirk Nurmy?

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Speaker 2: What if cops are not doing the deputies are not

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Speaker 2: doing what they should be doing.

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Speaker 1: They didn't take in.

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Speaker 2: The vehicle, the truck, they didn't process it. They haven't

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Speaker 2: processed his camper. They couldn't find his keys, his key fob.

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Speaker 2: They're not doing what you normally expect law enforcement to do.

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Speaker 1: So what do we do now?

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Speaker 2: Can she can Ascullie get in touch with the fans

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Speaker 2: or do we have to wait for authorities in Loose

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Speaker 2: and Utah to do it?

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Speaker 8: I think she can. I think programs like this help.

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Speaker 8: I think getting people involved that maybe can process the truck,

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Speaker 8: doing everything that they can to make up for the

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Speaker 8: evidence that was lost needs to be done. Anything possible.

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Speaker 8: Any law enforcement agency that can get involved with its

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Speaker 8: Bureau of Land Management, Nevada authorities what have you. Jurisdiction

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Speaker 8: doesn't matter, humanity matters here and they should be doing

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Speaker 8: everything they can.

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Speaker 2: But does it actually work that way to you? Justin Boordman,

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Speaker 2: can you pick up the.

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Speaker 1: Phone and call the FBI in as.

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Speaker 2: A civilian or do we need local police to do it?

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Speaker 10: You can certainly try an attempt to do that. There's

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Speaker 10: also other means to shake that law enforcement tree if

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Speaker 10: you will in Utah, which I've done many times for others,

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Speaker 10: But there's you can still go to the state police.

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Speaker 10: You can do a lot of different things like that.

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Speaker 2: So when you say the state police, are you talking about,

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Speaker 2: for instance, the Utah AG's Attorney General.

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Speaker 10: I'm talking more about the Utah Department of Public Safety

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Speaker 10: and going through them and their investigators. They don't have

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Speaker 10: a lot either, but they certainly have more political clout

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Speaker 10: if you will, to pressure some things. They also have

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Speaker 10: their own crime lab people that will respond out and process.

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Speaker 10: They've got all of the bells and whistles.

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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting, ken As Cooley, I want to

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Speaker 2: go back to the boots. Isn't it true your son

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Speaker 2: always wears the same kind of boots, the same pair

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Speaker 2: of boots, and when that pair wears out, he gets

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Speaker 2: another pair just like him. It's not like he's out

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Speaker 2: wearing a different pair of shoes. These are his work

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Speaker 2: based that we had on that day.

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Speaker 5: Yes, And can I just touch on what you were

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Speaker 5: saying about the health in public safety? Yes, So the

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Speaker 5: commissioner actually reached out to Justin and I on Saturday

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Speaker 5: to find out what the heck is going on, and

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Speaker 5: they have reached out to us. We should know more

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Speaker 5: tomorrow or today. Of course it was on a Saturday,

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Speaker 5: but after the coverage and seeing what's going on, he

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Speaker 5: did personally reach out to us. The governor of Utah

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Speaker 5: told him to.

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Speaker 2: In the last days, a Utah squad takes a plea

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Speaker 2: deal in the murder of a teen farmer's death and

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Speaker 2: leads detectives to Dylan Rounds, just nineteen years old, skeletal remains.

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Speaker 2: We may have case resolution, but Dylan's family, especially his mother,

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Speaker 2: is sentenced to life without her boy. Goodbye, friend to

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Speaker 2: bed to be