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Speaker 2: going to talk about Gaza, the Middle East, Israel, and

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Speaker 2: today my guest is Corey Feldman, a former Israeli Defense

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Speaker 2: Forces military personnel, and I'll let him get into that

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Speaker 2: a little more. Corey, Welcome to the show on soft Rep.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me. This is great, happy

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Speaker 3: to be It's cool.

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Speaker 2: No, we were just talking right before we kicked off,

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Speaker 2: and you know, super super cool. You got a bunch

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Speaker 2: of team guys that might be watching. You want to

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Speaker 2: give him a shout out real quick?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll give a shout out to the whole Sarah

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Speaker 3: Divati family. Thank you guys for all the support and

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Speaker 3: look forward to talking about a bit of our experiences

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Speaker 3: over the last four months and really fourteen years.

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Speaker 2: So what is that division? Who did you just shout out?

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Speaker 2: What's that team? Say it again?

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Speaker 3: So? Givati is the name of one of the infantry units.

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Speaker 3: But generally speaking, I was part of the reconnaissance company

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Speaker 2: So okay, let's just get right into it. October seventh, Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about October sixth. Let's talk about October sixth. Okay,

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Speaker 2: not and I've talked about what were you doing October

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Speaker 2: sixth that led into October seventh? You know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: normal day, just having a you know, your normal life, right.

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Speaker 2: What was happening in October sixth?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I recently started a healthcare company called Covered,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and and and your heart was full of that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean listen, I wear my bring them Home necklace.

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Speaker 3: Not just Israel. You know, thirty nationalities were represented among

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Speaker 3: But as you pointed out, I think all sane people

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Speaker 2: About, yeah, one hundred percent. And I also just want

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Speaker 3: Like your listeners will be used to a pretty strict

431
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Speaker 3: command structure in the US where the lieutenant passes on

432
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Speaker 3: the orders. Israel's not like that. You know, you routinely

433
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Speaker 3: question your superiors, like it's built into the Israeli culture

434
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Speaker 3: and the military framework. So if you think about what

435
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Speaker 3: would need to happen for you know, Israel to intentionally

436
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Speaker 3: target civilians, that would have to be an order passed

437
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Speaker 3: down you know, from a kernel down to a major

438
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Speaker 3: executed by lieutenant Like, there are so many layers at

439
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Speaker 3: which I would fully expect someone to say absolutely not

440
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Speaker 3: that It kind of flies in the face of my

441
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Speaker 3: lived experience, both being in the IDF and having a

442
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Speaker 3: large part of my network of friends and family. I

443
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Speaker 3: remember speaking to my friend who's an F sixteen pilot,

444
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Speaker 3: maybe two years ago, three years ago, and I said,

445
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Speaker 3: you know, what's what's the scariest thing you've done, Like,

446
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Speaker 3: surely you've flown above Sam's and you know, webinon Syria.

447
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 3: He said, Honestly, the scariest moment of my military career

448
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 3: was I was about to drop a payload in the

449
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 3: first guy's a war, and seconds before I hit the button,

450
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Speaker 3: I got a report that there were children the house,

451
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Speaker 3: and I pulled back and I was terrified that I

452
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Speaker 3: was going to kill civilians Like that, to him was

453
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Speaker 3: the scariest moment of his military career. Those are the

454
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Speaker 3: sorts of people that constitute the IDF. And so, yeah,

455
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Speaker 3: you have bad actors like you do in every single

456
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Speaker 3: group of people across the world, but they're kept in

457
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Speaker 3: check by by people who are not afraid to speak up.

458
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Speaker 3: That's kind of the character of the Israeli, of the

459
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Speaker 3: Israeli society. And so you know, even if Naton now

460
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Speaker 3: who was evil, it's hard for me to imagine that that,

461
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Speaker 3: you know, evil would be translated into real felt results

462
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Speaker 3: on the ground. And I don't think that it has.

463
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Speaker 2: I mean, I just wanted to bring that up, And

464
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Speaker 2: I also asked some questions of people around me, saying, hey,

465
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Speaker 2: what would you ask an IDF soldier? Right like, what

466
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Speaker 2: would you ask if you had a if you had

467
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Speaker 2: the opportunity to ask them? And a former friend or

468
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Speaker 2: not a former a former Navy veteran, and he's a

469
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Speaker 2: friend of mine, he's also a coach of mine. He

470
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Speaker 2: just wanted to say, how do you know, what is

471
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Speaker 2: it that you're looking for for when you see women

472
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Speaker 2: and children? You know, is it weaponry? Is it not weaponry?

473
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Speaker 2: How do we decide if they are? Like you kind

474
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Speaker 2: of brought that up saying, hey, you know, one minute,

475
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Speaker 2: you have somebody putting up a rocket and then you

476
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Speaker 2: see a lady walking by, and it's like the rocket

477
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Speaker 2: wasn't just there, but now it's there. And you know,

478
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Speaker 2: we've all seen probably the movies, you know, American Sniper

479
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Speaker 2: with Chris Kyle and all that, and he has to

480
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Speaker 2: he's watching this little kid pick up a gun and

481
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Speaker 2: try to you know, he's like, please, don't do it right,

482
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Speaker 2: So tell me your thoughts on that, Like, what's the

483
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Speaker 2: target identifier here? What's your roe for that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean listen, obviously, someone who is armed or

485
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Speaker 3: in an area that they're not supposed to be in

486
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Speaker 3: that's directly threatening troops, Like you have no choice, you know,

487
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Speaker 3: if a kid points out a weapon at your unit,

488
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Speaker 3: Like what can you do? I think you brought up

489
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Speaker 3: something before that I forgot to go back to which

490
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Speaker 3: I think was a great point, and you talked about

491
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Speaker 3: casualties on one side versus the other. And I think

492
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Speaker 3: there's a broader picture here, which is this right? And

493
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Speaker 3: and I'm trying to remember who called it out, Professor Galloway,

494
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Speaker 3: I think right. He said, like if the if the

495
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Speaker 3: cartels from Mexico marched into the US, killed the population

496
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Speaker 3: equivalent to the University of Austin, took you know, all

497
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Speaker 3: the faculty hostage, and went back into Mexico, Like what

498
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Speaker 3: do you think America would do? Like we would bomb America,

499
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Speaker 3: Mexico into Kingdom come and and so it's not necessarily

500
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Speaker 3: about killing every common soldier. It's really more about removing

501
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 3: their ability to effectively run the Gaza strip because this

502
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Speaker 3: is a group of people that whose charter calls for

503
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Speaker 3: the destruction of Israel, and we talk about theory and practice,

504
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 3: and theory, they want to wipe us off the map.

505
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Speaker 3: In practice, every opportunity that they've gotten, they've tried everything.

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Speaker 2: They want to do that, though I don't understand that.

507
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Speaker 2: What is it? What's their issue with Israel?

508
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Speaker 4: How much time you got give me, give me, give me,

509
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 4: give me what you're give me the give me the

510
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Speaker 4: straight up, Like someone who's just listened, like, yeah, that's

511
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Speaker 4: a great question, Like what is it that it's pissed

512
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Speaker 4: them off so bad that the like I can't have it?

513
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Speaker 2: And is it just what? How far back does it

514
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Speaker 2: go at the beginning of time?

515
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Speaker 3: This is radical Islam, and it has different faces, but

516
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 3: it's showing that those faces all across the world. The

517
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Speaker 3: US forces have dealt with them across the Middle East.

518
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Speaker 3: We're dealing with a unique sect of it in the

519
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Speaker 3: form of Klamas. You know, there's a version of Islam

520
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 3: that says if any land has ever been a Muslim land.

521
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Speaker 3: It's forever Muslim land. These people are not talking about

522
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Speaker 3: you know, I don't see these protesters chanting to state solution.

523
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 3: They're chanting from the river to the sea. They're chanting

524
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Speaker 3: all the Jews will be gone from this area and

525
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 3: it will be you know, sovereign Arab territory, like the

526
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Speaker 3: other twenty three Arab countries that surround Israel. So their

527
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Speaker 3: goal is nothing short of the destruction of Israel that

528
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Speaker 3: they had plans for. You know, when they looked at

529
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Speaker 3: the papers they took off those Kamas soldiers who came

530
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Speaker 3: into Israel, they had plans for central Israel Tel Aviv.

531
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Speaker 2: Right.

532
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Speaker 3: They had this delusional vision that they were actually going

533
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Speaker 3: to take over the country, right, And that is their

534
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Speaker 3: state goal. And that's what they've tried to do. Every

535
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Speaker 3: cease fire in since Israel pulled out of the Goaza

536
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 3: strip in two thousand and five has been broken by Hamas. Right,

537
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: there was peace the date on October sixth, as you

538
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Speaker 3: pointed out, just as there was peace you know, October

539
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: before the twenty twelve campaign, in the twenty twenty one campaign. Right,

540
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 3: this is a group of people that have made their

541
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 3: intentions very clear, and so Israel simply cannot The first

542
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Speaker 3: job of a government is to protect the safety of

543
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Speaker 3: its people, and Israel cannot accept the scenario where an

544
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 3: enemy who conducted an act of ethnic cleansing and has

545
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Speaker 3: promised to try to do it again exists on its border.

546
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 3: It's just not a sustainable situation. Similarly, in the North,

547
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 3: twenty percent of Israel is currently not occupied and should be.

548
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Speaker 3: Like people are evacuated from their homes and they can't

549
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: go back there because of what's happening with Hesbolon. It's

550
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: not a sustainable situation for a country to deal with,

551
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 3: and so the threat has to be eliminated.

552
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Speaker 2: So it's it's happening. You know, they've they've lit the

553
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Speaker 2: fuse and kicked it off. I mean, I know it

554
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: goes back and forth and can even go back to

555
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Speaker 2: like you know, the Six Day War, where you know

556
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: they're probably still upset about, you know, just land encroachment.

557
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about that for a second, right because over

558
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Speaker 2: here there's rumors that the former president's son in law

559
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Speaker 2: is talking about building hotels in Gaza.

560
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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I've seen some of those rumors. I mean, listen,

561
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Speaker 3: let's just to go back to where it's.

562
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Speaker 2: That's gross to me. Yeah, I just want to be

563
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: a human here.

564
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Speaker 3: No, one hundred percent, And I think that does not

565
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Speaker 3: in any way reflect the mainstream Israeli view. You know,

566
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Speaker 3: I saw a lot of articles about like some conference

567
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: where a couple hundred Israelis we're talking about real estate

568
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: and gaza, and like one right wing minister attended. That

569
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 3: guy represents like under a percent of Israel's population, and

570
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Speaker 3: so I think it was falsely represented as like the

571
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 3: Israeli governments, people have to understand, like the unlike us

572
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: in the US, the way of government rules in Israel

573
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: is by coalition. So let's say one party has you know,

574
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Speaker 3: forty percent of the vote and they need to get

575
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Speaker 3: to fifty one. They'll join forces with these little contingents

576
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Speaker 3: in order to get them to fifty one percent. So

577
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: that minister that represents the one percent that gets them

578
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: over is technically part of the government, but doesn't represent

579
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: the voice of fifty one percent of people. And so

580
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: like enter bendvere Right, the god that everyone hates and

581
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: that you know, all these terrible comments are attributed to him,

582
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 3: he doesn't represent the views of the mainstream government. He

583
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: is an outlier that was pulled in to hit that

584
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: you know, fifty one percent threshold or I don't actually

585
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Speaker 3: know what the percentage threshold is, but whatever it was

586
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: that was needed, that far right party was brought in

587
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: to satisfy it. And we could argue if that was

588
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 3: right or wrong. But you know that that like when

589
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: I read things like that, I just think that it's

590
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Speaker 3: worth double clicking to really understand kind of what role

591
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Speaker 3: a guy like that plays in the government or doesn't

592
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Speaker 3: in this case.

593
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Speaker 2: Right, because I mean, like that's you on the ground, right,

594
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Speaker 2: that's you being pulled out of your daily life to

595
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Speaker 2: serve your country with your heart, Okay, which is what

596
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Speaker 2: is asked of us that have been there, you know,

597
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: and served. It's your you're giving it your all and

598
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: then and then to have somebody do it for for that,

599
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: you know, that reason to build some fourteen story something

600
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Speaker 2: on the beach is just not what I think. I

601
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Speaker 2: just think that I hope to God that's not what

602
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Speaker 2: it is.

603
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I didn't hear from a single person

604
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 3: going into Gaza before or after like we were there.

605
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: Like again, like if this incursion happened on October sixth.

606
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 3: I could see that that might lend credence to the

607
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 3: argument that maybe that was the cause of it. But

608
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: it didn't. It happened after an act of ethnic cleansing, right,

609
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: So it's pretty clear why it happened, right, Like, there's

610
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Speaker 3: no there's no misunderstanding why Israel went into Gaza. It

611
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Speaker 3: didn't go in before, it went in after to root

612
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Speaker 3: out this threat. And you mentioned kind of sixty seven,

613
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Speaker 3: So it might be worth going back just a little

614
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: bit in terms of history. You know, in the wake

615
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Speaker 3: of World War One, the Allied Powers carved up the

616
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Speaker 3: Middle East. It's how we got Lebanon, Syria, and the

617
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Speaker 3: League of Nations had nation building mandate.

618
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Speaker 2: Right.

619
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Speaker 3: These were the European colonial powers who came in and said,

620
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Speaker 3: we've just won the World War. We're going to figure

621
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: out what the new world order looks like. That's how

622
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: every country in the Middle East was formed. You know,

623
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Speaker 3: the San Remo Conference, Israel gets its borders. Britain is

624
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: charged with the mandate for Palestine and is basically given

625
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: the mission of running government in this administrative unit that

626
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 3: encompasses all of Israel, all of the Gaza Strip, all

627
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Speaker 3: the West Bank and Jordan. In one of its first acts,

628
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: it splits Jordan off into trans Jordan and rules Israel

629
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Speaker 3: until nineteen forty eight. At that point, it's meant to

630
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Speaker 3: pass Israel over to the people living there. But what's

631
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: interesting is they come out and they say, prior to

632
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: passing it over, they suggest this partition plan. They come

633
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: before the UN and say, yeah, I know, we're supposed

634
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 3: to give back all of Israel to the Jewish people,

635
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: but what if we cut it in half, right and

636
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: give Israel kind of half of what it thought it

637
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: was going to get. And it wasn't a clear consensus

638
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: among the Israeli delegation. Israeli delegation voted six to ten

639
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: in favor of it, but they basically said, you know what,

640
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: in exchange for international recognition and legitimacy, we're willing to

641
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: make this compromise. We're willing to do it. What's the

642
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: response of the Palestinians in Israel and the Arab world.

643
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: A resounding no and the declaration of war the very

644
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Speaker 3: next day. So what results from that is basically the

645
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: equivalent of a world war for Israel, where one percent

646
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: of the population is killed and when the dust settles.

647
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: You have what's called the green line, which basically means

648
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: where a green marker drew lines on a map which

649
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: carved out the Gaza strip and left that to Egypt,

650
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: and carved out West Bank and left that to Jordan.

651
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: And for you know, whatever that was those eighteen years.

652
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 3: Gaza was ruled by Egypt illegally by the way, under

653
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 3: international law, since the UN resolution was never adopted and

654
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: was non binding even if it had been, And the

655
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: West Bank was ruled illegally by Jordan, which has since

656
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: renounced its claim to the West Bank. So there's this

657
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 3: question of like, how do you occupy yourself? This was

658
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: sovereign Israeli territory as mandated by the League of Nations

659
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: in the UN, that was seized illegally in war and

660
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 3: then taken back, and now people are clamoring for kind

661
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: of these sixty seven borders, and I'm like, based on

662
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: what precedent? And that's what always pisses me off about

663
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: the dialogu about Israel is right, Israel is held to

664
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: a standard that no other country on Earth is held

665
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: to from the perspective of what it means to fight

666
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: in an urban combat zone with the deaths of civilians

667
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: from the perspective of its legitimacy, like no one else.

668
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: No one's questioning the right of Egypt to exist, or

669
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 3: Lebanon or Jordan, despite the fact that its borders were

670
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: drawn up illegally, just the same way, despite the fact

671
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: that it encompasses many rival factions. Right, who are right?

672
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: Not like where's the Kurds? You know? Where do they

673
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: get to go? Right? The Curtis stand? Where'd that go? Right? Like?

674
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: Like talk about drawing onlines? Right where did Iraq, Iran

675
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: and everything else come from? Outom An Empire? Just doodle

676
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: in on a map? So say with Idaho, Idaho is

677
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: just drawn by the river. Yes, I'm just saying, But

678
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: how come we just can't get along?

679
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: That's a great question, you know, I think I think.

680
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 2: That's really really what we want. I want. I want

681
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: to see that. I want you to I want you

682
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: to still be in the IDF and still get and

683
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: have it, not just be uptrained right ready to go?

684
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, no one, you know, we don't want

685
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: our kids to fight the same wars that we fight,

686
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 3: you know, But but sadly, like we are dealing with it,

687
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 3: enemy doesn't think about happily ever after the same way,

688
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 3: you know, like for us, I think it was gold

689
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 3: in my ear that said, if Israel put down its

690
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 3: weapons tomorrow, it would cease to exist, and if the

691
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: ARBs put down their weapons tomorrow, there'd be peace. You know,

692
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 3: Gaza could be a thriving tech hub, you know, supported

693
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 3: by the qataris by by Saudi Arabia, by Israel. It

694
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: could be, and Israel has every interest in that, right.

695
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 3: Israel is the startup nation. Israel is a thriving economic

696
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 3: powerhouse that would love to include this portion of folks

697
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: living within its borders in that that machine. But the

698
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: has not been there from the other side. And when

699
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: I think about one of the reasons that there's never been,

700
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: you know, Palestinian state other than they keep trying to

701
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 3: kill us, there's no consensus, Like there's no clear leader

702
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 3: that speaks for the Palestinian people with whom to make peace.

703
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: Right in the West Bank you have Fata and Gaza,

704
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 3: you had or have Kamas. These people don't see eye

705
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: to eye, that were throwing each other off buildings, So like,

706
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: who's going to speak for these people and actually be

707
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 3: able to promise anything to Israel.

708
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: That's where your scholar brain needs to come in. I

709
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 2: don't I don't know. I mean that's what we need

710
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: to have, that dialogue. You can we talk to to

711
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 2: stop the insanity? And how can we you know? Uh? Yeah,

712
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: it's crazy because I mean there's a lot, there's there's

713
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: a death toll happening here. There is you know, uh,

714
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: the young kids that can't eat, you know. And and

715
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: I'm not one to say there's not bad guys in

716
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: a hospital, all right, because I know a unit of

717
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: green Berets that were staged inside of a junior high school. Wow, okay,

718
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 2: are us green Berets? You know? And so you know, seventh, eighth,

719
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: ninth graders were going to school and they were underneath

720
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: the school doing their daily jobs. Right There was even

721
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: a recruiter upstairs that had a whole office for the

722
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: National Guard here. So we're not It doesn't shock me

723
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: that there is you know, weapons inside of like a mosque,

724
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: right right. It doesn't shock me that there's a full

725
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: on unit of you know, American forces in a school,

726
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: let alone over there in a school, right Like, I'm

727
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: not shocked by that. I think mainstream is shocked by that.

728
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: But growing up in a special forces community. You learn

729
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: where dad worked.

730
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know when you think, when

731
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 3: you when you ask that question, like how do we

732
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: all get along? Like you know, they say democracy is

733
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: only ever one generation away from from disappearing, and I

734
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: think peace is also two generations away from becoming a reality.

735
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: I think about the international community support for UNRA, which

736
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 3: has demonstratedly participated in the October seventh massacres, which puts

737
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: out textbooks that include maps devoid of the state of Israel,

738
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: which teaches kids to hate. And I really blamed that

739
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 3: organization in a big way for the inability of Israelis

740
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 3: and Palestinians to see a way forward because they are

741
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: the number one employer after Hamas in the Gaza strip.

742
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 3: They have a vested interest in continuing right, Like, it's

743
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 3: not every other refugee population on Earth is governed by

744
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: one agency at the UN. And then the Palestinians have

745
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 3: UNRA and lo and behold, it's the only unsettled refugee

746
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 3: population since World War Two? Like do we think these things?

747
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 3: Do we think that's a mistake. I don't. I think

748
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 3: that agency has kept alive this false dream of the

749
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: right of return not only for people who are displaced,

750
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 3: but all of their descendants, which would basically mean the

751
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: end of the existence of the state of Israel, which

752
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: is not a realistic goal. Sovereign contry itself eradicated, and

753
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: by promoting this seriously violent as resulted, Like they have

754
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 3: blood on their hands, And we need to support a

755
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: group to go in there that actually takes care of

756
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 3: the Palestinians, that actually wants a better future for them,

757
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: that actually promotes the type of education that can allow

758
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: for eventually a two state solution and two people living

759
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: side by side. We don't have that today, And I

760
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 3: blame the international community.

761
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: You know, there should be blame, and that goes all

762
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: around because the international community has its hands in it

763
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: all around, you know what I mean, every I think

764
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: everybody has something going on here, like an actor bigger

765
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 2: than bigger than what I can think, what you could think.

766
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 2: You know, these these guys dude, meeting in their secret

767
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: jet meetings. You know, they're supposed to hate each other,

768
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: but they're meeting in secret meetings years ago. And you know,

769
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: like you mentioned here, I write notes too. You said

770
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: new World Order. I picked up on that right, Like

771
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: is this just like you said, they reshape land and

772
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: make a new world order? Is this something that you know?

773
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: Is is what's happening? Another new world orders trying to

774
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: kick off, But all the pieces are of the puzzle,

775
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: didn't make it.

776
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 3: You know. Proxy wars only stay proxy for so long,

777
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 3: you know, And like in US history, we saw that

778
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 3: and thankfully the human messile crisis ended without a war.

779
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: But the fact is the US and China and Russia

780
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: and Iran have been in a proxy war for you know,

781
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: as long as I've understood anything about news. And this

782
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 3: was kind of the frontier where the weapons were funneled

783
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: and the hatred was funneled. And you know, we're seeing

784
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: it on college campuses too. Billions of dollars have been

785
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 3: sent to these universities from countries like Saudi Arabia, like Katar,

786
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 3: and there's not an accident that the beliefs and the

787
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: professors that are hired are beginning to mirror the anti

788
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: American sentiment that we see in many of those countries

789
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: like these. It's kind of an obvious link. So I

790
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 3: think the proxy is simply falling away from the phrase

791
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: proxy war, and we are reaching this place where you know,

792
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: as Americans, as Raelties, as people who believe in democracy,

793
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: we have to decide what we stand for and what

794
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: we're willing to give up in order to promote that

795
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: way of living, because there's a lot of people that

796
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: want to take it from us.

797
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: So with regards to the students, you know, being indoctrinated

798
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: or you know, having this type of you know, education

799
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: put in front of them, in America, we've always had that,

800
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: you know, free speech, and it's always been going down

801
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: at campuses, whether it's at Berkeley, you know, in the sixties,

802
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: or you have you know, you know, the segregation happening

803
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: and the protests against people's civil liberties and rights, you know,

804
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: to be equal against all mankind. You know. I just

805
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, We're I just gotta just let

806
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: each other just kind of live and just be ourselves.

807
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: Freedom of choice, maybe freedom of choice, choose what you want.

808
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: But when you have one side that hates the other side,

809
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: and the other site says, why do you have to

810
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: hate us? But you're still throwing rockets at us? And

811
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: then I have to watch Real House Hunters with my

812
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: wife and it's the Israel episode and we're watching and

813
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: they go through three houses and You're like, which house

814
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: are they gonna pick the one with the bomb shelter,

815
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: the one with the bomb shelter or the one with

816
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: the bomb shelter and the toilet. You're like, get the

817
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: bomb shelter and the toilet. Literally, that is a real thing. Like,

818
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: you know, I just want to say, even though I'm

819
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: smiling about it, you know, you guys in Israel have

820
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: had rockets and hate thrown at you a lot of

821
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: your lives.

822
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sad, and you know, on these college campuses

823
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: now to see the level of this hatred. And you know,

824
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: I've been on Columbia's campus since all this broke out.

825
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 3: Try to engage with protesters. They won't talk to me,

826
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 3: they won't show their face. I think for many of them,

827
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: it's a fat like they don't understand what they're saying.

828
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: They don't understand what the river to the sea means.

829
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: They couldn't find Israel on a map. And so you know,

830
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: I still support their right to say things that I

831
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 3: don't agree with, like that's the American way. But this

832
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 3: was not that. These were not peaceful protests. These were

833
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: environments where Jewish students hell were any student who was

834
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 3: not part of their encampment was not allowed to pass.

835
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: You've seen everyone seen these videos of people trying to

836
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 3: walk there and being told, you know, you can't come here.

837
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: It's what are you talking about? This is university property.

838
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 3: Did you buy this property? Like I'm a student here?

839
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 3: And the violence that those kids it wasn't just that

840
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 3: they were told they were in come, they were met

841
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 3: with verbal and physical violence. Buildings were taken over. We've

842
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 3: seen the propagation of the distribution of media around how

843
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 3: you take over a school, how you fight back against police,

844
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: Like these are not innocent peaceful movements, right, everyone agrees

845
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 3: with the right to peaceful not most people in America

846
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: agree with the right to peaceful protest. These very quickly

847
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 3: shifted from peaceful protest to something far more sinister than that,

848
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: And so, you know, intervention had to happen the way

849
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: it did. But frankly, we should have seen the writing

850
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 3: on the wall a long time ago an intervene before

851
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: I reach this point.

852
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, really, I see a lot of

853
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: information coming into me from the biggest scare word out there, TikTok.

854
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: It's the scariest word to any government agency right now, TikTok,

855
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: you say, like, oh, China, but look like you seeing

856
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: stuff I see, you know, IDF guys going into the

857
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: houses and getting shot at, you know, and having to

858
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: get into firefights. You see that. You know, what do

859
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: you think social media has done for the situation? You know?

860
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: Is it? That's what's also fanned that flame. And I'll

861
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: bring this back because here at the University of Utah

862
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: just recently, you know, there's a big bolt and put

863
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: out there saying, hey, we want you to have free

864
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: speech and you have the right to assemble and do

865
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: all these things, but no tents and no structures, right

866
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 2: like that's the law, that's the rule of the campus.

867
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: It's like, you can't what happened. Okay, they decided just

868
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: to set up tents, set up structure, and and then

869
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: then you have to have them enforced that. They wouldn't

870
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: have enforced anything. They would have let everybody protest. But

871
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: the thing is is like you're wanting to like shelter

872
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: in place on the spot, you know, overnight, overnight, overnight,

873
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: and then it just becomes it's not it's not all

874
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: there are really healthy.

875
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: It's not like it's not a free for all, and

876
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 3: like at Columbia, they took hostages. They took like a

877
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 3: couple of janitors hostage. What is that? Like that what's allowed?

878
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 3: You don't you can't pull that. And then they had

879
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: the gall to have a press conference and say that

880
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 3: we'd like to order like vegan pizzas. Like I mean,

881
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 3: some of that was was obviously like made up and

882
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: and ai rendered, but like they did call and say,

883
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 3: like we want to ensure that we can get food

884
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 3: and water, and they're like has anyone stopped it coming in?

885
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: And they're like no, but we just want to make

886
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: sure like sorry, like you want to pretend to be

887
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: grown ups and like take over a building, but like

888
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 3: now you're asking for like your your meal plan, like

889
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 3: pick it to your point if the university doesn't.

890
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 2: And you know what kicked it off was the the

891
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 2: New York dude who sent in the the military to

892
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: take out or the police department totally armored up. I

893
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: think that's what kind of fanned the flames, right, So

894
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: it like just kind of said, oh, you're gonna do

895
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: that at that school, and then another school picked up

896
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: on the notion, and other schools picked up on the

897
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: notion and uh you know boom hashtag protests. Yeah, just

898
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: is taking place. We see it, you know, It's like.

899
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, once it's hit a certain scale, it becomes very

900
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 3: difficult to put the genie back in the box. And

901
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 3: there was ample opportunity to do this with campus police

902
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 3: when it first started. Yeah, put that tent there right immediately,

903
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 3: get NYPD on the scene, and there would have been

904
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 3: fifty people removed and it would have been a quick

905
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: and dirty and done media story. And instead they allowed

906
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 3: it to reach this place of just complete mayhem. Where

907
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: if you had and these were professional agitators in some case, right,

908
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: Like there's a reason the NYPD went in the way

909
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 3: they did. Like there were people in there who broke glass,

910
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 3: who assaulted people. Again, there were reports that night.

911
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: They always are there. They're always involved, bro there always

912
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: there's always act bad actors that get involved in They

913
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: just take opportunity, target opportunity, man. Yeah, especially especially since

914
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: we're wearing We're so used to people wearing masks, right right, right,

915
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: so now they can just come in without having to

916
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: show you their face anymore. Where before you wore a mask,

917
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: you were going to be a bandit or a robber. Right.

918
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: But now it's like we're so accustomed to a mask

919
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: on your face. You're like, oh, okay, not a bad actor, right.

920
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: And I think people feel more comfortable doing things that

921
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 3: they wouldn't do, you know, behind a mask, like I'm

922
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: playing a role sort of thing.

923
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: It's true, it's true. I'll take my glasses off if

924
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: you can have my soul mask. Hey, look right here, bro,

925
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying. Go ahead, call me out, dude,

926
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,479
Speaker 2: go ahead, I get it. You want the bad dad off.

927
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 2: Here's the me.

928
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 3: I'm coming over there. I am you.

929
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: But you know you come hang out here anytime. Bro.

930
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: You can come out any time to Utah if you ever.

931
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the conversation I really want to have.

932
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 2: You know, it's just like a really like peaceful, like

933
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: fun loving But I know that my listener viewer probably

934
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: might not. You're on your way back to Israel.

935
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm going next week for a Memorial Day

936
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 3: and Independence Day, and of course we're on standby. The

937
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: North is still a pretty uncertain situation. And you know,

938
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 3: I'm not unique in that I'm in this impossible situation

939
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: of like I have a job and responsibilities I run

940
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: this startup I run on topit called Legion, where we

941
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 3: train Jews and Jewish allies that defend themselves in the

942
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 3: wake of spiking anti Semitism, and like, you know, I

943
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 3: may on a moment's notice have to put those things

944
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 3: on hold to go do what I need to do.

945
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: And it's not an easy way to live. You know.

946
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: It's also like you know Delta and the Seals, and

947
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 3: for sure, the Green Berets are kind of used to

948
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: this idea that they're living their lives one moment and

949
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 3: then they flip a switch and all of a sudden

950
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 3: they need to be twenty four hours notice, like ready

951
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: to deploy, like you have people, And I'll put myself

952
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: in this category. I'm not the caliber of a Green Beret.

953
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 3: This has not been my wife's work, who are also

954
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: forced to switch those hats just as quickly and go

955
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 3: from civilian father, boyfriend, your husband, whatever, to combat soldier

956
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 3: in days weeks. And it's an impossible.

957
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: Situation immediately, even you know, I remember my dad would

958
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: have to just be like I'm going to be gone.

959
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: If I'd be calls, just tell him I'll been fishing.

960
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, how long get you gone for

961
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: He's like about six months. You're right right right? He

962
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,479
Speaker 2: was leaving, he was going. And then one time somebody

963
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: called the house and I was like, he's your dad home.

964
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, he's fishing. Oh do you know he'll

965
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: be home? I was like about six months. I was

966
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: a little kid, a little Aaron. So my given name

967
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: is Aaron Lee Radel. Everybody calls me rad because they

968
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: don't have to say my last name Radel, so they

969
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: call me Rattle. So you're gonna get a breakdown on

970
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: my name real quick. So Rattle. My whole life turns

971
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: into rad for short. But my given name is Erin

972
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: A R O N.

973
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: So just to let you know, yeah, like the prophet's brother.

974
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: That's what I wanted you to say. I just wanted

975
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: to let you know shalom.

976
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. How long was your dad in the military? For?

977
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: Twenty three years? Wow?

978
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 3: Amazing?

979
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, Vietnam through ninety one. And she had a

980
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: pretty big seizure after an airborne jump went wrong with

981
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: him in his unit on a training mission out here

982
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 2: and a lot of guys broke their femurs and feet

983
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: and he took a serious hit and TBIs and it

984
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: basically took out a whole unit. Dude. It was a

985
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: night drop that they were doing, like eight hundred foot

986
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: thirteen hundred foot drop. But when they're flying in the

987
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: sea one thirty, the mountain was here, but they're at elevation,

988
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: so as they dropped the guys, the guys are starting

989
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: to land boom boom boom boom boom boom boom on

990
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 2: the mountain, hurting them, breaking them in pelvices, whole eighteens.

991
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 3: And I mean, first of all, thank you to you.

992
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 3: You know, it's not just your father that made the sacrifice.

993
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 3: Your whole family made that sacrifice.

994
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: Right.

995
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: Military families give everything, and a lot of people don't realize,

996
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 3: like you know, there's a lot of ways to get

997
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 3: hurt from combat. It doesn't have to be just facing

998
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: the enemy. In order to be combat ready, the training

999
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: that you have to undergo can be so intense that

1000
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 3: we lose a lot of guys. And and you know,

1001
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 3: the trauma not doesn't just come from combat, it comes

1002
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 3: from training too. I mean, the training is incredibly challenging.

1003
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: Oh. I mean, dude, you know the stories he would

1004
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 2: talk about, it's just you know, I think it's trauma

1005
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: that he had to learn morse code. I think he

1006
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: had that trauma, dude, I don't think. I think if

1007
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: he heard that, he just freaked out. My dad heard

1008
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:38,479
Speaker 2: a little.

1009
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 3: He starts listening.

1010
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 2: He's like, where's that? What's that? What's that? What's that? Yeah,

1011
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 2: I got Vietnamese approaching in the ocean. What's up? Because

1012
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 2: in nom he was in the navy and so, uh,

1013
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: you know, they were fighting. Yeah, he was the radio operator.

1014
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: He just said there was a marine with a bullet

1015
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: with his name on it, and if they were to

1016
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 2: get captured, they would burn everything in a burner, a

1017
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 2: boiler or whatever and burn it all. So one time

1018
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: they were drifting out to see I've told the story before,

1019
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 2: but they were out to sea off the coast of

1020
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: Vietnam and somehow their whole engine systems died and they

1021
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: were just a drift and so the Chinese were encroaching

1022
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 2: on them in foreign waters basically you know red waters

1023
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: if you will, and they were burning everything. My dad

1024
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 2: was burning it all. They were burning all the radio equipment,

1025
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: like burning everything, all the paperwork, and he said there

1026
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 2: was a marine with a bullet with his name on it.

1027
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 2: And I was just like damn. And so he said,

1028
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: miraculously they got speed and were able to like just

1029
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: get out of those waters and get it was like

1030
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 2: that close. So I mean, you know, maybeah, his own

1031
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 2: dude would have had to take him out. It wasn't

1032
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: even the enemy. It's his own guy on the ship. Yeah.

1033
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 3: Well, I was just thinking about your what you said

1034
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 3: about your dad in Morse code. You know, today we

1035
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 3: were at west Point for a ceremony for NICKI Hartman,

1036
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 3: who was the first general in the idea if he

1037
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 3: was a colonel in the US military who went over

1038
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 3: during the Independence War to basically help and was killed.

1039
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 3: And so West Point every year has a ceremony where,

1040
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 3: you know, we lay a wreath on his grave and

1041
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 3: there's a twenty one gun salute, and I saw, you know,

1042
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: we had there was about fifteen or twenty of US

1043
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 3: that were one soldiers that served in Gaza, and when

1044
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 3: those gunshots went off, I saw not a small number

1045
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 3: of people who had these kind of micro twitches. You know,

1046
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 3: combat leaves its mark on you and for better and

1047
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 3: often worse. And I think it's really difficult to come

1048
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 3: back to go back and forth between those two worlds.

1049
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: A lot of people who don't understand don't understand. And

1050
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 3: I think that the anecdote to maybe some of this

1051
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 3: unrest on college campuses is for Americans to actually have

1052
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 3: to do something. Maybe it's not military service, but at

1053
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 3: least civil service, something that connects you to the idea

1054
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 3: of sacrifice for something bigger than yourself. I think that

1055
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 3: would do a lot to bring this country together at

1056
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 3: a time when we're super divided, or seemed to be anyway.

1057
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: I think that's that's something to really really ponder. And

1058
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 2: I think i'd like to end on this positive note

1059
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: that you and I have had talking and over such

1060
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 2: a horrific situation, and you know we won't forget October seventh.

1061
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: It's affected not just the little small state of Israel,

1062
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: but the global world who doesn't want that to happen.

1063
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: I just want you to know that, right, And and

1064
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: I think that the world also just wants to see

1065
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 2: everything just taper down, calm down, simmer down, and everybody

1066
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: just get along and we can just you know, be

1067
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: kind to one another, because that's never out of fashion.

1068
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: Kindness doesn't go out of fashion. However, there are there

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Speaker 2: are men who are trained to fight and thank you

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Speaker 2: for that. Okay, true story and with that, what was

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Speaker 2: your what's that? Legion? Tell me about that? Real?

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Speaker 3: Qull so so Legion, which you can find at legionalpha

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Speaker 3: dot com, is basically just a group of Jews and

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Speaker 3: Jewish ally who are training and organized crowd mogad and

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Speaker 3: self defense, not in any sort of offensive way, but unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: as you know, Jews are being targeted for violence in

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Speaker 3: this country and elsewhere, and we hold the motto that

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Speaker 3: you should come to your own rescue and you shouldn't

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Speaker 3: be waiting for anyone else, and you need to know

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Speaker 3: how to protect yourself and your family and your community.

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Speaker 3: And if enough people do that, then people help those

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Speaker 3: who help themselves. So that's kind of our vision and

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Speaker 3: our mission. As you know, we have I think at

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Speaker 3: this point thousands of graduates of our program and we're

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Speaker 3: continuing to scale. So we're excited to just be able

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Speaker 3: to be part of the response to this kind of

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Speaker 3: global wave of anti Semitism. No one wants to sit

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Speaker 3: on their hands and feel defenseless, and this allows us

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Speaker 3: to feel like we're actually doing something about it.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. I'll have that put into the breakdown of

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Speaker 2: our podcast, So if anybody's wanting to check it out,

1092
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Speaker 2: they can click on it. And you know, I just

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Speaker 2: want to say thanks again to Corey Feldman who has

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Speaker 2: you know, taking part of his day to day to

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Speaker 2: talk to you and I about current events, and you know,

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Speaker 2: thanks again for listening and watching, and to Brandon and

1097
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Speaker 2: go check out our merch store soft rep dot com.

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Speaker 2: Go check out the merch and go check out the

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Speaker 2: book club soft rep dot com, Ford slash book hyphen Club.

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Speaker 2: This is rad On behalf of my guest, Corey Feldman,

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Speaker 2: say in peace, rad while we're I don't know, I'm

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Speaker 2: still recording.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well I want you to be because the thing

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Speaker 3: I forgot to mention that which you mentioned the book

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Speaker 3: club at the beginning, I actually wrote a book about

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Speaker 3: my experience and the IDF that it might be interesting

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Speaker 3: to get in some capacity with the book club. It's

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Speaker 3: called A Line in the Sand and just talks about

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Speaker 3: my journey as an American going through the idea of

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Speaker 3: special Force. So it doesn't touch on his most recent conflict,

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Speaker 3: but I feel like it would be interesting to folks

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Speaker 3: in your community, and I would love to chat with

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Speaker 3: American veterans about that experience.

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Speaker 2: So oh, I'm glad we didn't cut, and I'm glad

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Speaker 2: that you're still listening too, and that you just told

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Speaker 2: us that because we didn't cut, that was a joke.

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Speaker 2: I was just joking. Know his book. Tell me the

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Speaker 2: name of your book.

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Speaker 3: It's called A Line in the Sand. You can find

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Speaker 3: it on Amazon or wherever books are sold. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I would love to chat if anyone ends up buying

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Speaker 3: it and reading it. I'm sure, Rad, I'll put my

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Speaker 3: contact info.

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Speaker 2: I will here.

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Speaker 3: I would love to just chat about how my experience

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Speaker 3: may have been similar or different from yours. You know,

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Speaker 3: for you folks that served in the US military, you know,

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Speaker 3: we're brothers in arms, brothers and sisters in arms. And

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Speaker 3: I'm just grateful that you invited me to speak with

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Speaker 3: this community, and it took the time to get me

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Speaker 3: on this podcast. So thank you, Rad, and to the

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Speaker 3: whole crew.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're very welcome into Guy Guy. It's guy Guys

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Speaker 2: our connection on this. He's like, Yo, Rad, you got

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Speaker 2: to meet this dude. And I'm like, all right, let's

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Speaker 2: is he ready to meet me? And my peek at you.

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Speaker 3: Love it in my almost made beds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it works. It works now again. Let's try this

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Speaker 2: one more time. I just want to say thanks to

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Speaker 2: my guest Corey Feldman. My name is rad Thanks for

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Speaker 2: buying our merch and I'm saying yes, take care.

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