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Speaker 1: And welcome to Friday's edition a Big Blue Kickoff Live

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. He's Jeff Feagles. I'm Lance Meadow.

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Speaker 1: Good to be with you for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: to the conference championship games and also the key takeaways

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Speaker 1: for the Giants with respect to the four teams that

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Speaker 1: are still alive in the playoffs. Plus we'll get to

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Speaker 1: your phone calls as well as your tweets looking ahead

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Speaker 1: to the draft, off season, and so everything. Indeed, everything

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Speaker 1: is up for discussion on this program. How are we doing, Jeff? Fine? Fine,

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen you. Like now that the off season

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Speaker 1: is around, we don't get to see each other as often,

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Speaker 1: but that's okay. But we will make the best of

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Speaker 1: this hour. We will. We WI great. It's a great

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Speaker 1: weekend for football. I mean, this is I always always

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Speaker 1: figured when if I only got to an NFC Championship game. Once. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so and we were pretty you're here, we're pretty sick, tessful.

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Speaker 1: But I think that this is the one game to

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Speaker 1: me that was like it it's the worst to lose,

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Speaker 1: because I figured if you lose this game, you're not

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Speaker 1: going to the super Bowl obviously, but when you if

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Speaker 1: you're in the super Bowl, at least you're there and

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Speaker 1: you've gone to a super Bowl and you've got to

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Speaker 1: do the whole thing, even though you didn't win it,

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Speaker 1: but you've experienced this one. You've got you've come so close.

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Speaker 1: You're one game away from being in the super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: and you gotta lose it. That's tough. That is really

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Speaker 1: really tough. Now you can look at the Bills in

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Speaker 1: the years that they went to four straight Super Bowls

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Speaker 1: and didn't win one of them, and that would be

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Speaker 1: really tough too. But this is the weekend where I

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Speaker 1: feel like this is the game. If you lose, this

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Speaker 1: is the toughest one. It really is. I agree with you,

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Speaker 1: because you get that taste. Yeah, it's just once, and

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Speaker 1: then you start to look back to could have, would have?

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Speaker 1: Should a game? One extra first down, one third down? Stop?

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at Jacksonville last year, for example, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: saying to themselves, Hey, maybe if we treat the third

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Speaker 1: of the fourth quarter differently, maybe all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: the outcome is different. Actually, it's interesting. Dante Fowler Jr.

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Speaker 1: That was on the Jaguars last year, it was traded

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Speaker 1: He's now once again one came away from getting to

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Speaker 1: the shild although they have a better offense. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: think that's a fair synopsis and outlook. Yeah. So it's

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Speaker 1: it's and it's it's interesting because when you look at

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Speaker 1: the teams that are actually playing, and we're gonna segue

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Speaker 1: into this we talk a little bit about this today,

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Speaker 1: is that you know these four teams, you know what

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Speaker 1: is it that that that these teams? Why are they here?

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Speaker 1: Why are they in the conference championships? And you know

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Speaker 1: what do the Giants need to get to to get

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Speaker 1: there certainly is a lot of things we can talk about. Um,

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Speaker 1: but I'm excited about the weekend. It'll be fun. It's

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of a big fan of the three o'clock

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Speaker 1: deal because it's not an eight o'clock game, and it's

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Speaker 1: you got Monday off, holiday weekends. Yeah. Um, but I

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Speaker 1: years I I can't remember when it was. It's been

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Speaker 1: changed so many times. I mean, I played for obviously

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Speaker 1: Then there was only one weekend between the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Then there was two weeks in between the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I don't I know that there's only one by the

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Speaker 1: you what logistics. They were flying all over the place.

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Speaker 1: with you from a logistics standpoint. The one thing though

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Speaker 1: I don't like about a Jeff is giving teams additional

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden balance things out. The equivalency to

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Speaker 1: me would be Major League Baseball, if you were recall,

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Speaker 1: tell you what it makes. The game hasn't been played yet.

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Speaker 1: on the back and dust off finger game. No, I'm

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Speaker 1: back in, don't win the game for it. Plenty times

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Speaker 1: interesting you brought up quarterbacks at protections because to me, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: a consistent rate. It's not one great week then two

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Speaker 1: But I I think the common denominator all for these

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Speaker 1: you look at every one of them. Um, they're they're

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Speaker 1: all first round draft picks. Okay. First, No, Drew Breese

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Speaker 1: mind to take that back. Not not all I was

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Speaker 1: with you in terms of caliber of play. Sure, I

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Speaker 1: just feel like I just feel like, you know, when

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Speaker 1: they're both Hall of Fame quarterbacks. High alright, So then

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Speaker 1: And really, this is I'm not telling you anything you

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Speaker 1: of positions to play in these conference championship games period. Okay.

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Speaker 1: And I look at the years that the Giants went

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Speaker 1: they had offensive line. You know that we're doing well too.

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Speaker 1: kind of the the indicator what you just said about

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Speaker 1: anybody running down because what am I gonna do tackle

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Speaker 1: Devin Hester? Please, well, don't tell you so so trust

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Speaker 1: me especially. And the worst part about that play, I'll

431
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Speaker 1: never forget this was the Monday after when all of

432
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Speaker 1: a sudden, I I pick up a daily news or

433
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Speaker 1: it was the New York Post or whatever it was,

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Speaker 1: and then the back page of the of the post,

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Speaker 1: let's call it is is me, I'm on my knees

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Speaker 1: and it says fiegals and it shows Devin Hester kind

437
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Speaker 1: of in the shad like in front of like that

438
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Speaker 1: was my fault. I first of all, I only held it.

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Speaker 1: And second of all, I actually was only one of

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Speaker 1: three guys that ran down there and tried to tackle

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Speaker 1: the guy made an attempt. Yeah, correct, And then I'm

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Speaker 1: the guy that's right. Yeah, and I and my that

443
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Speaker 1: my the back of me was spread all over New

444
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Speaker 1: York City that day because my fault. Come on, Jay,

445
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Speaker 1: make the stupid field goal. The nerve of him, the audacity.

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Speaker 1: You went to Arizona in two thousand and eight, bring

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Speaker 1: up the series, So I wonder if this was the

448
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Speaker 1: game Giants won thirty seven twenty nine. So you said

449
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Speaker 1: right at the end of the first half, were so

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Speaker 1: let's look at the play by play here of that

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Speaker 1: game and then we'll we'll look at maybe somebody I

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Speaker 1: know that I think it was also an O four

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Speaker 1: you guys went to Arizona. Yeah four, I try. I

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Speaker 1: attempted a freak few ago the Jim Finn in the

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Speaker 1: game of the alligator arms across the middle. He gave

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Speaker 1: me one of these right here and tried to catch it,

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Speaker 1: and it was a perfect path. Of course. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't look like it was, because you know, Derek

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Speaker 1: Ward ran for a yard and the first half, so

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Speaker 1: that wasn't it. But let's see, there was another matchup

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Speaker 1: in OH five, but that was here at home, so

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Speaker 1: then it probably it could have been let's see, oh four,

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Speaker 1: could have been Giants Cardinals in the desert in two

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Speaker 1: thousand four, so let's see that may have been. I

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Speaker 1: mean you you definitely went to Arizona in Arizona. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll look up OH four and year first year, right?

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Speaker 1: That was? That was first year right in Arizona, Week ten. Okay,

468
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Speaker 1: so let's see. Yep, we're getting closer to this one.

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals won seven that when Smokes plays that stupid

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Speaker 1: game with me about my memory, remember your team not

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Speaker 1: it's not the greatest, and it's all been Listen, your

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Speaker 1: memory is on point today. I mean, bring it up,

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Speaker 1: some real obscure rules. What's the while? It kind of

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Speaker 1: just comes comes through once in a while. Squirrel finds

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Speaker 1: a nut. So it's it's understanding. I blame it all

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Speaker 1: on Trotter, Jeremiah Trotter. My jaw clicks because of him

477
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Speaker 1: and my mind. Sometimes, boy, don't go on YouTube and

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Speaker 1: watch that'll find it. Well. Two thousand four is also

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Speaker 1: not helping your case here because the Cardinals kicked off

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Speaker 1: to you guys, and then Tiki ran up the middle

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Speaker 1: for nine yards to end in the game the first half.

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Speaker 1: Well maybe it was you're sure it was in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: You're you're pretty sure, well, because you know, maybe it

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Speaker 1: was two thousand five. I'll look up two thousand five

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Speaker 1: and then we'll get to We have a lot of

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Speaker 1: people on the lines, and I know very excited that

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Speaker 1: we're reminiscing about specialty thousand five. Ye big Blue kickoff

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Speaker 1: live to hear Jeff reminiscent about some obscure rule. Thanks

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Speaker 1: a lot, guys, real nice planning for today's programming. You

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Speaker 1: can blame me, don't worry. I take full responsibility for

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Speaker 1: dissentations on today's prografter that. But while we're on the subject,

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Speaker 1: we might as well at least try to find some closure,

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Speaker 1: all right. So you opened up the season against the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals in two thousand five. Just to set the scene here,

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Speaker 1: this was a lopsided nineteen victory. And let's see what

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Speaker 1: transpired at the end of the first half in this game.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Eagles punts forty three yards there is it was

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Speaker 1: a fair catch by Reggie Swinton, and then Kurt Warner

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Speaker 1: took a knee where he lost two yards. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: so they liketed not to do it, but it may

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Speaker 1: have been when they tried to get you in a situation.

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Speaker 1: And here's why the Cardinals called the time out right

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Speaker 1: before you punted. So see, Jeff, we salvaged the conversation.

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Speaker 1: They didn't kick the kick, but there they didn't take

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Speaker 1: advantage of the rule. But both teams were discussing the

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Speaker 1: free kick scenario. Was discussing it with me, so he

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Speaker 1: at least was aware. Hey, Jeff, we wanted at all

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Speaker 1: because you wound up putting the Cardinals at the spot

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Speaker 1: there were eight seconds left. They got it on their

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Speaker 1: own twenty five. So I find it hard to believe

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Speaker 1: that they were going to bring out their kicker exactly.

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Speaker 1: But no, you were right. So it was just it

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Speaker 1: was at home. It wasn't on the road. It was

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals. It was at the end of the first meet.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I was thinking, if I really hit a short

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Speaker 1: one here, that could have been we were punting from

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Speaker 1: the Giants thirty two. It was fourth and thirteen, alright, alright,

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Speaker 1: so thirty two, I mean an eighteen yarder would have

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Speaker 1: put him at the fifty. Yeah, So not that I

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Speaker 1: had eighteen eighteen yards, but if you had one of

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Speaker 1: those rare occurrences where you screwed up your own stats,

522
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Speaker 1: Arizona could have elected to take advantages. So I'm telling

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Speaker 1: me to kick the ball out of bounds for the

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Speaker 1: just forty three yard fair cat. I think he was

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Speaker 1: over this. It's the same thing. Is that's how to

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Speaker 1: bounce kick. By the way, a fair catch forty three

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Speaker 1: is the same thing. There's no return. Okay, sorry, it

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Speaker 1: worked out well. No, I'm just happy that we got

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Speaker 1: at least at least that was a No. Five. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So come on, they met O four oh five and

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Speaker 1: oh eight years ago. Yeah. I mean the fact that

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Speaker 1: you were able to recall that random play at the

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Speaker 1: end of the first half. Wow, considering that I had

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Speaker 1: over seventeen hundred punts in my life to remember that,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty impressed. Pretty good. I will tell you this.

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Speaker 1: My wife sent me all the time. How is it

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Speaker 1: that you can't remember football stuff, but I could remember

538
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Speaker 1: putts and drives and everything in golf courses that I played,

539
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Speaker 1: like going back twenty years ago. I swear to you

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Speaker 1: those dates, you know, like crazy, probably because I enjoyed

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Speaker 1: golf more than in having a psychological opening on this program.

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Speaker 1: By the way, can you tell me how many punch

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Speaker 1: you had in that game, Jeff, Let's let's see how

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Speaker 1: good your revery is that. There's no way I'm gonna say, well,

545
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Speaker 1: we won big time, so one big time when you

546
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Speaker 1: win at the end of the game. If you're winning,

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Speaker 1: then you're running the football at the fourth quarter. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say six, wow, on point exactly six. Now,

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Speaker 1: would you like to tell me how many yards you're

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Speaker 1: punted for? As you see? The hell with this game

551
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Speaker 1: about remembering your teammates. I'm gonna say I punted for

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Speaker 1: two close to fifty two. Not bad, not bad. I

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Speaker 1: got a job at the fair maybe guess and waits, Well,

554
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Speaker 1: we're finding another post career activity for you. See that?

555
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: The hell with this? Do you know your former teammates?

556
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: Let's just find a random game and ask you how

557
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Speaker 1: many times you punted whether or not the fair catch

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Speaker 1: rule was elected under those circumstances, right, we will get

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Speaker 1: more into conference championship weekend how it relates to the Giants. Also,

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00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: too bad we can't go to a commercial. This is

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Speaker 1: usually this would be a nice way to try to

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Speaker 1: how do we transition out of this conversation. A reminder though,

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Speaker 1: and we are going to get into this as the

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Speaker 1: show progresses. PEPSI has released its nominees for NFL Rookie

565
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Speaker 1: of the Year. Sa Kwon Barkley is one of them.

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Speaker 1: But for you Giants fans, yeah, I know they went

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Speaker 1: out on a limb and recommended him. Don't forget. You

568
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Speaker 1: can vote for Sae Kwon Barkley is the PEPSI NFL

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Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year. Voting ends Monday three pm Eastern.

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Speaker 1: You go to NFL dot com slash Rookies to vote,

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Speaker 1: and Jeff and I are gonna go through the other

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Speaker 1: nominees because there's a conversation here worth Happy. How many

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Speaker 1: Rookies of the years are there? Well, there's the Offensive

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Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year and the Defensive Rookie of Okay,

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Speaker 1: so that is announced that the NFL honors he did,

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Speaker 1: he won the Pro Football Writers of America Rookie of

577
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Speaker 1: the Year, and then there's there's everybody has that the

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Speaker 1: real one is the NFL honors, which were but there's

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Speaker 1: the Pro Football Writers. I think I'm sure Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Focus gives out there's so many of them. Your third

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00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: cousin gives out of your lost long relative gives out

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Speaker 1: of the Meadow Rookie of the Year. I will be

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Speaker 1: announcing on Twitter, by the way, middle of next week

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Speaker 1: who my rookie is, So don't forget to vote for

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Speaker 1: the Meadow Rookie of the Year award. I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is all funny games. My point was, what is

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Speaker 1: the real one. It's the NFL Awards, and that one

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00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: has not been given out yet. Like I said, NFL

589
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: Honors night before the Super Bowl, that's the official one.

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00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: But you're right, everybody who has any connection to the

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Speaker 1: National Football League gives out an Offensive Player of the

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Speaker 1: Year rookie and All Pro Team Rookie of the Year team.

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Speaker 1: It's it's overkill, it really is. It is overkill until

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Speaker 1: you're one of the players that have it in your

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Speaker 1: incentives to say if you make Rookie of the Year

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Speaker 1: for PEPSI or you make it for Sporting News. Because

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Speaker 1: I remember going back years ago in my contract when

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Speaker 1: we had incentives. You know, they don't do a lot

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Speaker 1: of incentives anymore because if you make them, they have

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Speaker 1: to you gotta count that money. Towards the cap next year.

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Speaker 1: It's called likely to being earned money. So if you

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Speaker 1: if you weren't in year one, like if you weren't

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Speaker 1: it in two thousand eighteen, then they got to hold

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Speaker 1: it against the cap in two thousand nineteen because you're

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Speaker 1: most likely to earn it because you've already earned it.

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Speaker 1: But I used to have tons of incentives in there

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Speaker 1: pro football, you know, the A p I, U P

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Speaker 1: I all just everything in there. You get or five

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Speaker 1: thousand for that, and you know by the end of

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Speaker 1: the year you're like, oh, what am I gonna get here?

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Speaker 1: It's okay. So now I would have had a great

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Speaker 1: chance with all this other stuff. How many times were

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Speaker 1: you disappoint awards? I would have put the Metal Awards

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Speaker 1: in there too, that would have been awesome. Well, listen,

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Speaker 1: it may be overkilled with respect to that. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, the PEPSI Rookie of the Year I should

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Speaker 1: mention is strictly a fan vote. Just for clarification, that's

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Speaker 1: why obviously we are trying to entice you to run

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Speaker 1: to your computer and vote. But in all seriousness, what

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Speaker 1: is not overkilled? His conversations on programs like this where

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Speaker 1: they break down the fair catch kickoff rule. Okay, that's

622
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Speaker 1: where you don't get this type of analegy. I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to make that very great content and now, and

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Speaker 1: you know what I hoped. I hope that we have

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Speaker 1: educated the fan base enough to know that when it happens,

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Speaker 1: and if it happens this weekend, you will be make

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Speaker 1: sure you call into our show on Monday. I won't

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Speaker 1: be here and nobody will be here right because or whenever,

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Speaker 1: and let them and let me know that it was discussed.

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Speaker 1: I heard you say it, and wow, it was actually

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Speaker 1: it was, it was initiated. Well, I actually would be

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Speaker 1: more fascinated if watch it happened during the two thousand

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Speaker 1: nineteen Giant season and we'll be remembering this program because

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Speaker 1: it somehow comes up. I will tell you the conversation's

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Speaker 1: work and a lot of you will be prepared for it.

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Speaker 1: And if it's in the situation comes up, you're gonna say,

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Speaker 1: my god. You know Jeff Fiegels brought this up last

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Speaker 1: year January two thousand, nineteen, twelve pm Eastern. That's right.

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Speaker 1: But where you are, and also remember that Big Blue

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Speaker 1: let's hear from you. Two zero one five one three.

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Speaker 1: Joe isn't pencil Vania. He gets things going on Friday's

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Speaker 1: edition a Big Blue Kickoff Live. Welcome to the program, Joe,

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Speaker 1: what do you have for us? Uh? Hello, guys, Uh Lance,

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Speaker 1: I'm still listening to that that guy Sam, you and

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Speaker 1: uh John interviewed there the other Focus and Jeff, you

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Speaker 1: gotta listen to it. He was talking about Kyle Murray

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Speaker 1: and he has him rated number one, and he has

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Speaker 1: him over the Haskins, right, and you know, I really

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Speaker 1: did look at just a few highlights of him. It's

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Speaker 1: it's unrealist. Guy. It looks like watching Barkley run the ball,

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Speaker 1: only he's even faster. And I'm not saying he's dumb

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Speaker 1: or anything. Are crazy, but when he takes off, nobody

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Speaker 1: gets within like ten yards of him, and if they do,

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Speaker 1: he is so smart. When they get within five yards

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Speaker 1: of him, he's down on the ground. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: gotta watch his I've just seen his highlights now, and

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Speaker 1: that he you know, he could throw the ball good

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Speaker 1: and everything, and you know they have him, you know,

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Speaker 1: raided like Baker Mayfield. They said he only played one year.

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Speaker 1: What I like so much about this that the Giants

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Speaker 1: really have the options if they want to draft one

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Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks that they won't want to have to

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Speaker 1: give up to three draft picks. You know that they

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Speaker 1: might one of them Haskins or him if they like

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Speaker 1: him can fall into his hands, or if they like

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Speaker 1: one of these veteran quarterbacks to sign, you know, just

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Speaker 1: in case. You know when he lies done, So you're

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Speaker 1: gonna know, you're gonna know you're gonna know her sooner

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Speaker 1: than later, because free agency comes before the point, correct.

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Speaker 1: I mean you're gonna know if the Giants don't pursue

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Speaker 1: anything in free agency, then you're gonna know that the

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Speaker 1: draft is at least an option. It is not a

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Speaker 1: guarantee that they're gonna go after a quarterback, but that

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Speaker 1: would be the next option if you want to address

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Speaker 1: that position. I mean, clearly, free agency, I would say,

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Speaker 1: is more resources that you're utilizing because you have to

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Speaker 1: sign the guys to concents. What you were saying, Joe, Joe,

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Speaker 1: what what in your mind? What do you want the

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Speaker 1: Giants to do? I'm just curious I'm just saying you

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Speaker 1: you look, you've got to look at his highlights and

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Speaker 1: and they said that he is you know his he

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Speaker 1: is like Barkley, his uh personality and everything like that.

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Speaker 1: He is a really good, great team player. I know

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Speaker 1: he is short, but you know, hey, even if you

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Speaker 1: want to, when you watch them highlights, it's unreal. I

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Speaker 1: think and throw the ball and smart. Kyler Murray is

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Speaker 1: a great athlete. There's no doubt about that. I've watched

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Speaker 1: them all throughout the college season. He is somebody that

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Speaker 1: can certainly make all the necessary throws. I was impressed

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Speaker 1: with what he did in the second half against Alabama

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Speaker 1: during the course of the playoff, even though that game

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Speaker 1: may have been well out of hand. You see the

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Speaker 1: competitive fire. But as I've said many times, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if the Giants drafted him because if

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Speaker 1: you look at this franchisees track record, they tend to

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Speaker 1: go after the pure pocket passer six three six four quarterbacks, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I said, it's not not being against Murray,

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Speaker 1: It's just he doesn't necessarily fall into what the Giants

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Speaker 1: have done. It his intangibilities, that great speed of his

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Speaker 1: and being able to throw the ball when they bring

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Speaker 1: him in for a workout. If he can make these strows,

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Speaker 1: and he's he said he's willing to sign with the Giants.

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Speaker 1: You really really have to take him in. Well, first

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Speaker 1: of all, I don't think anyone's ever gonna say, you

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Speaker 1: know what you're thinking of, taken me with the sixth

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Speaker 1: overall pick or whatever, and that you know what, use

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Speaker 1: it on. Somebody's going to. I think he'll be willing

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Speaker 1: to take any NFL offer. What I'm trying to talk about,

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Speaker 1: I meant him to play football. Well right now it

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Speaker 1: looks like he's leaning towards that because he declared for

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Speaker 1: the draft and he hasn't signed to deal with the A's.

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Speaker 1: And I'm so prize that guy. You said he's really

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Speaker 1: valued at sam guy, you know his his he said that,

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Speaker 1: you know they have him waited. Rate it right over

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Speaker 1: at Haskins. You know what I mean? Just like last year,

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Speaker 1: the Baker may feel rated above them other quarterbacks. Well,

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Speaker 1: but I think that you also need to take into

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Speaker 1: consideration keep in mind this year's quarterback class. Joe, and

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Speaker 1: We're gonna let you go on that note. Appreciate the

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Speaker 1: phone calls just on the picks. I want to be

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Speaker 1: surprised anybody to win in these division games. If the

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Speaker 1: Rams can run the ball like they did last week

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Speaker 1: and uh New England running to the ball, I want

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Speaker 1: to be surprised any and M teams the wins. Though,

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Speaker 1: thanks for taking my giant and I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a big disparity between both of

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Speaker 1: these matchups, and will certainly get more into that in

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Speaker 1: a little bit. But getting back to the quarterback rankings

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Speaker 1: and where people are projecting these prospects to go, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: I think what a lot of people need to understand

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Speaker 1: this last year's quarterback class was extremely deep. This class

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Speaker 1: is not nearly as deep. So you've got to put

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Speaker 1: things in perspective. I get. Is what I'm saying is

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Speaker 1: if you have people ranking Murray ahead of Haskins, that

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Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean that the two of them are much

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Speaker 1: better than everything else that was at these teams disposals

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Speaker 1: last year. I think there was a lot more versatility

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Speaker 1: and options last year to this year where let's just

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Speaker 1: let's just group it there there now. In last year's draft, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where where did these two guys fall into that that

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Speaker 1: those five others, Well, that's the great question. I think,

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Speaker 1: as we're gonna have more and more draft experts on

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Speaker 1: that's a question that I want to consistently ask. When

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Speaker 1: Sam Monson the interview that Joe was referring to, was on,

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Speaker 1: he did bring up Baker Mayfield's name, but he was

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Speaker 1: bringing up his name not necessarily in terms of the ranking.

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Speaker 1: He said that the skill set, despite the fact that

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Speaker 1: Baker was criticized for being small in terms of his stature,

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Speaker 1: he feels Kyler Murray is still able to overcome that.

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Speaker 1: So that that to me was the comparison that I

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Speaker 1: took away. But yeah, I would certainly ask people, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if you had Josh Allen, Rosen, Arnold Mayfield, where does

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Speaker 1: Haskins fall into play? Where does Murray fall into play?

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Speaker 1: Because I think that's a question worth asking. So, for example,

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Speaker 1: if you asked a few experts I'm just looking from

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Speaker 1: the front office perspective, Jeff, and they said, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: know what, Haskins is behind the top five guys from

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Speaker 1: last year. So you got a second guest at Sadiamsel.

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Speaker 1: Why are we gonna reach him them at six if

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Speaker 1: he's not even ahead of any of the five last year.

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Speaker 1: If somebody comes to you and says, I put Murray

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Speaker 1: right behind Mayfield and Darnald, then you think about it

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Speaker 1: because of a lot of those quarterbacks were taken within

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Speaker 1: the top ten, top fifteen last year. Yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 1: I think when you're looking at at at Murray, you're

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Speaker 1: looking at a whole different offense that you're gonna build around.

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Speaker 1: You're you're gonna it's gonna be more of a Um

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson type of an offense. Okay, and you look

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Speaker 1: which he's also been compared to by the way, which

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Speaker 1: you're you're gonna get it. Okay, Um, you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: get the Drew Brees comparison other than the just the hype.

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Speaker 1: But he's not Drew Breeze is not He's not Murray.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't run like he does. So I think that

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Speaker 1: this is something that the fans are gonna probably want

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Speaker 1: because they want that. They want that quarterback to get

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Speaker 1: out of the pocket and run and make plays with

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Speaker 1: this speed. That's what everybody wants. We keep we keep

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Speaker 1: hearing everybody wanting that until the guy gets hurt and

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Speaker 1: can't play the rest of the season. And okay, but

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Speaker 1: when I look at Haskins, he's six three, Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: not small, it's not big, it's it's perfect side for

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. He's extremely accurate and and yeah, the last

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Speaker 1: game he played in he did really well, which is

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Speaker 1: probably why he's shot up the board so much. And

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Speaker 1: but you look at Trabinsky, he played one year at

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Speaker 1: UNC Okay, look at his success. So if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: look at those guys and compare, you gotta kind of

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Speaker 1: maybe look at Trabinsky and Haskins is being kind of

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Speaker 1: two of those one and the same. They won't play

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Speaker 1: not a lot of experience are both about Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So I just think that your whole plan, and I

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Speaker 1: didn't mean to get on this rant with the quarterback stuff,

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Speaker 1: but from the Giants perspective, in my opinion I am oh,

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Speaker 1: is that your decision making is starting. Now. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: get it. You're gonna get a taste taste of some

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Speaker 1: of these guys at the Senior Bowl. That's gonna carry

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Speaker 1: you into free agency and you're going to You're going

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Speaker 1: to come up with a plan, and that plan is

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Speaker 1: you're gonna initiate it. And it's gonna be and if

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Speaker 1: one thing changes, then you have a backup plan. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So if you're if you're if your goal was to

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Speaker 1: go free agency and it's one of the guys and

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Speaker 1: they all of a sudden go to another team, well

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Speaker 1: maybe you don't want to go free agency anymore because

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Speaker 1: you don't believe that the other guy you want. So

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Speaker 1: now it's the draft. So that's why they definitely in

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Speaker 1: a way, this is kind of the way the free

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Speaker 1: agents first and then they get to the draft and

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Speaker 1: things like which is really the opposite of some other leads,

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Speaker 1: which makes no sense, like in the NBA, the draft

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Speaker 1: comes first, then free agency. It makes no sense to me.

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Speaker 1: You have free agency and then you look too then

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Speaker 1: plug in the holes through the draft and everything. I

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Speaker 1: I like that order much better. I'm with you. And

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Speaker 1: if you were to ask me right now, from what

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Speaker 1: I've seen, I would not say that Kyler Murray is

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Speaker 1: better than Baker Mayfield. I think Mayfield is a better

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Speaker 1: quarterback at this point of where the two were, I

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Speaker 1: think Murray, though I would put slightly higher than Haskins.

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Speaker 1: I want to see what happens at the combine and

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Speaker 1: measurements and injury history and this and that. I put

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Speaker 1: him slightly ahead of Haskins, But I don't think Murray

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Speaker 1: is at Mayfield's level. No, he's not. I would not

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Speaker 1: put him there. And I think the and I really

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Speaker 1: when you talk about those two and Haskins and Murray,

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Speaker 1: the thing that comes up immediately in your mindset is

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Speaker 1: the height. That's the one thing that draws you away

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Speaker 1: from from Murray. It's not that he's very talented. He's

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Speaker 1: won the Heisman Trophy for a reason, folks. He's that

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Speaker 1: good and he's so athletic. I mean, there isn't too

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Speaker 1: many guys that can can play two sports at the

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Speaker 1: level that this guy could play well. And that's why

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's brought up, because he's another you guys played

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Speaker 1: both sports. So it's extremely relevant. So when it goes

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Speaker 1: to the Giants, the plan has to be executed, and

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Speaker 1: it has to be layer in certain stages because if

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Speaker 1: one doesn't work, you've got to go to the next one.

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Speaker 1: But the common denominator and all of this is number ten,

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Speaker 1: that's your common the dominator. He's the one. If you're

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Speaker 1: gonna go with him next year, then that that's that's

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. So Um and the Giants have

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Speaker 1: some time. They don't have a lot of time, but

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Speaker 1: they're gonna come up and they're gonna come up with

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Speaker 1: the plan. And they got it absolutely. And we'll also

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Speaker 1: have to see who hits the free agency market, specifically

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Speaker 1: what happens with Nick Foles, who is a popular name

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Speaker 1: because the Eagles and him have a mutual option. First,

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Speaker 1: the Eagles have to make their move. They've got to

851
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: determine whether or not they want to pick up his option,

852
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: and man, if they pick up the option, Foles has

853
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: an opportunity to buy himself out of the contract by

854
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: paying them about two million dollars. So we've got to

855
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: see also some of the dynamics in play before free

856
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: agency starts, because you know what happens to sometimes teams. No,

857
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I could envision where they're automatically

858
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: gonna pick up the option, but I also could envision

859
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: perhaps he hits the free agent market and they're still

860
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: talking to him about potentially coming back, and if he's comfortable,

861
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: I think they're both would be back. Do you think

862
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: that wins and Folds would both be well, WinCE is

863
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: on a rookie contract, so that to me is not

864
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: even a question. He's coming back, Carson. You've got the

865
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: fourth year of the rookie contract, and then they can

866
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: pick up his fifth year option. So the Eagles don't

867
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: have to negotiate anything. And I don't even think they

868
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: need to give him an extension. If they choose to

869
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: do that, that's fine. Went Snow absolutely not. They came

870
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: out and said WinCE is their quarterback, and I know

871
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: people are gonna say, well, that doesn't mean much of anything.

872
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: I don't see the Eagles trading Carson Wentz at all.

873
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: And I think it'd be absolutely ridiculous to trade him,

874
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: just like I think it'd be absolutely ridiculous or the

875
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: Cardinals the trade Josh Rosen. Because of that, Berry said, yeah,

876
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: I mean they're stuck with Folds. I mean what I

877
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: mean by stuck is they can't get anything for him.

878
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: They can't trade him. Well, the way that they could

879
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: trade him is and this is why I'm seeing what's

880
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: going to happen with the option if Nick Foles turns around.

881
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: Let's say the Eagles pick up the option, okay, which

882
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: is a million dollar options. Yeah, no, I know what

883
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: you're saying, I hear you, but that's got to be

884
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: picked up, Jeff, thirty days before the start of the

885
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: league year. Okay, so we're talking about right after the

886
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. So let's say the Eagles pick up the option,

887
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: and then Nick Foles has a decision to make. He

888
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: either pays them two million dollars to get out of

889
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: the contract, or he also opts in between then the

890
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: beginning of February or mid February until the start of

891
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: the new league year. Okay. The Eagles could then find

892
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: ways to trade him because his contract doesn't become fully guaranteed,

893
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: Jeff until five years after the league years starts. So

894
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: the league year starts, I don't know the date off

895
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: the top. I had March eighth or whatever. It is, No, No,

896
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: five days, five days. So so if the league year

897
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: starts March eighth, I'm just making up a date March thirteen.

898
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: Let's say the contract becomes guaranteed between the eighth and

899
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: if the Eagles have some conversations leading up to then

900
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: maybe they could do a trade and then you could

901
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: get something for Nick Foles. I'm not the chances are

902
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: high for that happening, but I'm just laying out scenario

903
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: which is realistic. So you know that that that's what

904
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: people have to understand. You know, when they say the

905
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: chances is happening is slim. The mathematics and some of

906
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: these contracts and you know, Jeff from being an NFL player,

907
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: not that they were necessarily paying no disrespect, but you

908
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: know there's all these clauses and this and that and

909
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: and that's why, by the way, I'm the last person

910
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: to tell you that I'm a cap expert. That's why

911
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: you have people on staff who are experts in this area,

912
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: specifically so that they can advise general managers in front

913
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: office people, because this is a science. It's a science

914
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: to balance. There's so much interpretation, there's there's so much

915
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: you've got to understand every day. There's something that you

916
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: have to be aware of. People's contracts, capaces. Think about this.

917
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: You've got players with fifty three different contracts. Now a

918
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: lot of the rookie contracts are the same, but you

919
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: know there are sterists language and each one. If you remember,

920
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: say Kwon Barkley didn't he didn't sign his because of

921
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: the language they were trying to get whatever was And

922
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 1: so yeah, you gotta have somebody that's on this stuff

923
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: and understands how to manipulate it too. Okay, So that

924
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: is that. And again this is where teams years ago

925
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: decided that they got to have somebody full time to

926
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: be doing this because the GM certainly doesn't have He

927
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: has the acumen to do it, but he doesn't have

928
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: the time to do it. It's a full time job.

929
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: So it makes one sense for teams to have these

930
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: caps specialists, capologists. Yes, exactly, Well, because it's a science,

931
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: it makes absolute sense. Scott is in New Mexico as

932
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: we move along here on Friday's Big Blue Kickoff Live.

933
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: How we doing Scott, Hi, guys, how you're doing today?

934
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: It's wonderful. We'll tell you about good. I also, like

935
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: a previous choll and enjoyed the conversation you had with

936
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: Sam monson on Wednesday, and there was a comment made

937
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: which I acolutely don't agree with with Sam, and I

938
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: wanted to get your perspective, and you sort of addressed

939
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: it a little bit this morning. But he's sort of

940
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: pooh pood. Run defense has being important these days because

941
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: it's a past happy league, and I think just the opposite.

942
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: I think if you go back to, say, to the

943
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Dallas game. Los Angeles held Zegiel Elliott to

944
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: forty seven yards and just imagine if a Ziegel had

945
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: a hundred whole I think could have been termed because

946
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: that gift at one point, and if they make the

947
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: stop on third and seven, Dallas could march down the

948
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: field and potentially tie the game. That's a very good point.

949
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: So why would he sort of nick gate run defense

950
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: when I think run defense is the central core. And

951
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: if you take safe, for example, the Los Angeles New

952
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: Orleans games that's coming up, I'm assuming if you stopped

953
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: mark Ingram and Alvin Camaro from getting the yards, Los

954
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: Angeles wins, and just the opposite would happen if they

955
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: stopped Todd Gurley and c. G Anderson from getting any

956
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,479
Speaker 1: yards and New Orleans wins. So isn't run defense really

957
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: the heart of pretty much what every coach says they

958
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: want to start as their first segue into a season.

959
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: Let's let's stop there posing runner from getting ordage. And

960
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: I assumed statistics balance that outside. I was confused by

961
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: his comment that way, Well, I'm in a complete agreement

962
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: with you, Scott. Here's my interpretation of what Sam said.

963
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: And if I recall correctly, I had asked him about

964
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: the Giants moving on from Snacks, and I asked him

965
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: about what he saw out of b. J. Hill and

966
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: Dalvin Tomlinson and did they perhaps meet the consistency that

967
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: Snacks brought to the table. And that's when he then

968
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: went in to run defense. And I think the point

969
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: that he was bringing up, even though it may have

970
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: come off his run defense is not important. I think

971
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: he said valuing perhaps linemen that are versatile, meaning trying

972
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: to get the defensive lineman that not just can get

973
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: after the quarterback but can also stop the run should

974
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: be the biggest priority. Because he was saying to the

975
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: point of Snacks is Snacks is a guy that more

976
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: often than not you take him off the field on

977
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: third down in pass rushing scenarios, and you need guys

978
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: like that to stay on the field. So I think

979
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: he was saying that we shouldn't overvalue perhaps guys that

980
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: are just run stoppers. We should look after guys that

981
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: can get after the quarterback even much more so than

982
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: maybe their ability to stop the run. That's what I

983
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: took away. He run defense is not as important and

984
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: I believe he did say that. I mean to be

985
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 1: fair to Sam, I want to go back and listen

986
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: to it, because you know, you take a line out

987
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: of context and it's not necessarily what the individual was selling.

988
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: But I know that that answer came up when I

989
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: specifically asked him about Snacks versus Hill and Dalvin Tomlinson,

990
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: and he was making the point about why you can

991
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: move on from a guy like Snacks, not that he's

992
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: not good, but if you're gonna take him off the

993
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: field on key downs, then you understand why you may

994
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: not want to invest a lot of money in that player.

995
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: That's how I took it. However, I agree with your

996
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: point because I'll even sell it more. Dallas stopped Seattle's

997
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: run game the previous week, and that was a big

998
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: reason why they helped shut down Seattle's offense and why

999
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: they were able to control the trenches. So, yeah, you

1000
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: can't go into a game thinking we're gonna let teams run.

1001
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: You have to be able to control the line of scrimmage.

1002
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: And the good teams that do that consistently are going

1003
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: to have a chance to win a Super Bowl and

1004
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: get to that game. There's no doubt my other comment,

1005
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: and then I can actually take this off the year

1006
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: if looking at the four teams, does a coach like

1007
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 1: Pat Sherman or even Dave Gentleman look at these games

1008
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: not necessarily in a vacuum and look to see what

1009
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: they can emulate from the teams they have or or

1010
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: the question really is if they looked at these four

1011
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: teams and they were trying to just position themselves, would

1012
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: the Giants want to emulate one team over another or

1013
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: do they take characteristics from each team and say, this

1014
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: is what we want to do for next year and uh,

1015
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: see how they build their team from within. So I

1016
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: was wondering if they actually sort of dissect the games

1017
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: and say this is what we want our team to

1018
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: look like next year as they look at these four

1019
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: playoff teams, And I was just here is what your

1020
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: opinions were on that, and have a next weekend. Appreciate

1021
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: the phone call, And that was really what the theme

1022
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: of what we started off this conversation with on Today Show. Jeff.

1023
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: I also believe that you you look at your team

1024
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: as a whole and who your personnel is, and then

1025
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: you can say, okay, we're a lot like X, We're

1026
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: a lot like the Rams or who or or whoever,

1027
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: and we're not a lot like the Patriots or the this,

1028
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, the Saints. And then then you can kind

1029
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: of get an idea like, Okay, we're gonna we're more

1030
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: like the Chiefs here, so we're gonna we're gonna watch

1031
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: how they play and what they've done this season because

1032
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: their personnel a little bit where we're not even anywhere

1033
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: near close to what the Patriots are like, you know,

1034
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: on offense or defense. So that's where it can come

1035
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: into it. I think as a whole, I think every

1036
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: one of the coaches look at the success of these

1037
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: all four teams and try to pull something out of it.

1038
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: Whether how good they were on the road, how good

1039
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: these teams were against the run, against the past, um penalties, um,

1040
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: red zone defense. We all these to come into effect

1041
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: that they can say, you know this this year, coming

1042
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: up in the team meeting to the noon two thousand

1043
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: and nineteen team, they can say, one of the reasons

1044
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: that this team won the Super Bowl or they went

1045
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 1: to the NFC Championship was because they were the best

1046
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: in the National Football League in red zone defense or whatever.

1047
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: So you can take some things away from this and

1048
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,959
Speaker 1: compare it to how good or bad you were during

1049
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: the season. Okay, this team was really good at red

1050
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: zone d by the way, we were really bad at

1051
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: red zone defense. Okay, what did they effectively and what

1052
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: was it? Coverage? Was it? Was it against the run

1053
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: in within the red zone? What was it that made

1054
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: them so good was that they didn't give up any

1055
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: that they didn't have any penalties in the red zone,

1056
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: or they had seven interceptions. So you could just see

1057
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: how much time it takes in the off season to

1058
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: pull all this stuff about and and formulate opinions and

1059
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: kind of strategy so that when the guys get here

1060
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: next year you can present these two them in a way.

1061
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: Because most of the team's gonna be back. Remember this

1062
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Speaker 1: is a young team that they've built over time line

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Speaker 1: in two thousand eighteen season, a lot of them are

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Speaker 1: going to be back opposed, you know, a year before

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Speaker 1: they're all gone. So that's kind of the the the

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Speaker 1: answer that you could He was asking, well, and I

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Speaker 1: think you bring up a good point about how your

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Speaker 1: personnel matches. There's, for example, you have Elion Manning is

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Speaker 1: your quarterback as it stands right now, So if you

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Speaker 1: look at what the Chiefs do with Patrick Mahomes. Realistically,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to do it. But to

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Speaker 1: your point, if I'm watching the Saints, I'm saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is how New Orleans uses Alvid Kamara, Jeff, maybe

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Speaker 1: we can incorporate safe like how they utilize Alvid Camara.

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Speaker 1: So I think you're looking at all for tam similar person.

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Speaker 1: Todd Gurley would be a good example. And you know

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Speaker 1: with what New England does with Tom Brady, given perhaps

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Speaker 1: that he's not the most mobile guy. Okay, well, how

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Speaker 1: do they shift their offensive line Rob Gronkowski and his

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Speaker 1: blocking ability? How do they utilize the tight ends? How

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Speaker 1: can we utilize our tight ends? I think you sort

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00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: of pick and choose and mix and match based on

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Speaker 1: how your personnel matches up with those And I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people like to go on the offensive

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Speaker 1: side of it, Oh what did this team? If I'm

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Speaker 1: the Giants, I gotta look on the defensive side of

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Speaker 1: things and say, how do you know what is this

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Speaker 1: team that's in the playoffs or in the NFC Championship

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00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: or in the Super Bowl. Defensively, what did they do?

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Speaker 1: Because when I look at this offense and what they

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Speaker 1: did in the second half of the season, there was

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Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of improvement. When I look at the

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Speaker 1: defense collectively the whole season. I'm not gonna blame the

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Speaker 1: season on the defense, but I don't see I didn't

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Speaker 1: see the I didn't see the the progress that that

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Speaker 1: you needed on defense. For me to say this team

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00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: is getting better on defense, I don't think they did.

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00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: I think they need the obviously was he had a

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Speaker 1: lot of players that was forced to play, and the

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Speaker 1: roster defensively, in my opinion, wasn't as good as it

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Speaker 1: was offensively. So I can tell you that's where the

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Speaker 1: point of emphasis, if you will will be going forward

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Speaker 1: in the two thousand nineteen seasons, is going to be

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Speaker 1: on the defensive side. Let's say back to the full lines.

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Speaker 1: Lance Buttut Jeff Eagels with here on Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: Jamison is in North Carolina. Jamison, Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 1: What do you have for us? H? Jamison? Hey, Hey guys,

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Speaker 1: thanks taking my call. Yeah. Um, So, with the whole

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Speaker 1: emphasis on building a team from the inside out, I

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Speaker 1: just kind of wanted to hear your thoughts that you

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Speaker 1: guys had to do the draft last year over, I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't understand how Ghettoman should pass on Quentin

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Speaker 1: Nelson um to shore up that offensive line for a decade. Um.

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Speaker 1: He's a pro bowler. And we talk a lot about

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Speaker 1: comparisons with the Colts this year on how they built

1116
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Speaker 1: up their deep you know, their offensive line. They're running back.

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00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: Marlon Mack was drafted in the fourth round, and we

1118
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Speaker 1: all know that. You know, we had Brandon Jacobs and Bradshaw,

1119
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, selected in the fourth and seventh round respectively.

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Speaker 1: I just think and I and Barkley is a tremendous player,

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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but you know Dallas, Dallas selected

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Speaker 1: Elliott after they like, you know, one the three first round,

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Speaker 1: you know, offensive lineman. And I just think that I

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Speaker 1: was wanting to hear your thoughts on that. And and

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Speaker 1: my second point is again with the the inside out philosophy, UM,

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Speaker 1: I don't see why going to a three four because

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Speaker 1: when you want when you want more defensive lineman on

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. UM. So I don't see how

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Speaker 1: a three four kind of falls into play with the

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Speaker 1: huge importance that's been put on the lines. I would

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Speaker 1: just think an extra defensive lineman from a defensive philosophy

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Speaker 1: would just make more sense. Um, just wanting to hear

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Speaker 1: your thoughts. You guys, have a great weekend and enjoy

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Speaker 1: the show. Appreciate it, Jameson, thanks so much. Away. Three

1135
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Speaker 1: four is a three four. But you know, you do

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Speaker 1: have that extra linebacker that it has his hand in

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Speaker 1: the dirt, or he's he's rushing the past or quite

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Speaker 1: a quite a bit of time. Challs don't need to

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Speaker 1: account for those, and it's just a matter of the

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Speaker 1: techniques that they play in the fourth three and a

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Speaker 1: three four. So I think that you know, it's just

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Speaker 1: the philosophy or a defensive coordinator and the way that

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Speaker 1: you want to build the personnel. I'm actually more favor

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Speaker 1: of a three four because I feel like the the

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00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: linebackers and the d ND the edge rusher guys are

1146
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Speaker 1: better athletes that you want them in there. So I

1147
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Speaker 1: don't know, I just I'd rather have I'd rather have

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Speaker 1: those guys on the outside. As far as the you know,

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Speaker 1: the whole build inside out, yes you can do that.

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00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: I agree to a point, But I mean, are you

1151
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: that upset about what Sequon Barkley did? I mean, I

1152
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: just don't think that when you go from a strictly

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00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: a uh AN ability standpoint, the highest who was the

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Speaker 1: highest rated. Sequon Barkley was rated a Bowl over Quinton Nelson,

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Speaker 1: and that's and overall talent, overall impact, There's no doubt

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Speaker 1: about it. Plus, it's unusual to see a guard being

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Speaker 1: taken with the number two overall pick, not that I

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Speaker 1: don't think it was warranted. I love the guy, and

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Speaker 1: the guy is the guys in All Pro this year

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Speaker 1: as a look, and the Redskins took Brandon Sheriff a

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Speaker 1: few years ago, and I think that was a great picture.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be the last person to criticize. I'm

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Speaker 1: with you there, but I understand that the family is

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Speaker 1: behind the conversation. Is like, you know what a gentleman say,

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Speaker 1: when we need to we need to build the offensive line,

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Speaker 1: because the team is only going to go as far

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Speaker 1: as the offensive line. Then you take Then you take

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Speaker 1: a running back when you could have had a perennial

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Speaker 1: All Pro maybe future Hall of Famer, which, by the way,

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Speaker 1: no matter who your second pick is, it better be

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Speaker 1: a future Hall of Famer, an All Pro guy, because

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Speaker 1: that's when you got the second pick in the draft.

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Speaker 1: You better hope it is. You wanted to be as

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Speaker 1: close to a guarantee as humanly POSSI there's no question

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Speaker 1: when you picked that high. I think, listen, it's an

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Speaker 1: interesting point that the last caller brought up, Jeff, but

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Speaker 1: I think you got to look at it through this lens.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just the Colts grabbing Quenton Nelson and then

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Speaker 1: the offensive line is complete, everything's great. It was the

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Speaker 1: combination of a variety of factors. That's why I don't

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00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: think you could look back at last year's draft and say, well,

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Speaker 1: if the Giants took q went to Nelson, their offensive

1183
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: line would have gotten off to a better start. And

1184
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Speaker 1: then that's what would have happened. Who would have fallen?

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00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: Would have been there running back? Well, they probably would have. Yeah,

1186
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: then flip flop. Maybe they would have grabbed the running

1187
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: back higher. And here's the thing. You don't probably take

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Speaker 1: will her Nandez right because you took Quentin Nelson. Yeah,

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00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you do. I'm but I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: let's go with that logic. So you take one of

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Speaker 1: the first running backs, like a Nick Chubb for example,

1192
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Speaker 1: maybe you flip flop, So you've got to look at it.

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Speaker 1: The giants in their minds said, would we want, say,

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00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley or Nick Chubb Quenton Nelson versus will her Nandez.

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Speaker 1: I think that may have been part of the philosophy,

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Speaker 1: But I want to get back to the point about

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Speaker 1: Quentin Nelson alone did not single handedly change the outlook

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Speaker 1: of the Colts offensive line. It was over the course

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Speaker 1: of a few years. And they also drafted, by the way,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Braden Smith high in the second round. So not

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Speaker 1: only did they drift Quentin Nelson, they drafted Bradon Smith.

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Speaker 1: They inserted both of them to the starting lineup. Smith

1203
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: wasn't even projected as a starter, but injuries happened, so

1204
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: they put him into the starting lineup. And they also

1205
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: had Anthony Costanzo who was coming back from injury. Ryan Kelly,

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Speaker 1: I just do two other first round picks. So yes,

1207
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Speaker 1: they followed the Dallas Cowboys blueprint. They did it over

1208
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Speaker 1: the course of time. And then yes, with Marlon Mack

1209
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Speaker 1: working behind a very good offensive line, they got great

1210
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: productivity out of their running game. And he wasn't necessarily

1211
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Speaker 1: a number two overall pick. But let's not look at

1212
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: it is that if the Giants take Quentin Nelson, the

1213
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: outlook for this team is ten times better than it

1214
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Speaker 1: is right now. I disagree with that because I think

1215
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Speaker 1: the insertion of two Cults draft picks with what they

1216
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: already invested really helped Indianapolis surge, not just Quentin Nelson alone.

1217
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Speaker 1: So if you just put Quentin Nelson into this Giants

1218
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: offensive line, Jeff doesn't help them, no doubt about it.

1219
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: I mean, Nelson's an impactful player. But are we talking

1220
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Speaker 1: about now the Giants win the NFC East and you

1221
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: have less questions moving forward that I don't necessarily agree.

1222
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Speaker 1: It's you can you can? You can argue both points

1223
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: over and over. Um, Listen, Regardless, the Giants got a

1224
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: good player, and so did the Colts. They did. Yeah,

1225
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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, There's a variety of different ways to

1226
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: approach how you build your team, how you construct your roster.

1227
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people need to understand that.

1228
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm a believer. Yes, I think you should have your

1229
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: house in order, Jeff first, meaning the line, before you

1230
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: necessarily become overwhelmed with the skill set positions. Because what

1231
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: we see in the NFL teams that have good lines

1232
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: defensive and offense. Normally, it helps the productivity of other guys,

1233
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Speaker 1: even if they're not necessarily household names. I mean, look

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Speaker 1: at what New England does. You know, New England doesn't

1235
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Speaker 1: necessarily have a group of household names, even Kansas City

1236
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: to a certain degree, you know Tyree Kill. Granted he

1237
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: had a pass and that's why he didn't necessarily go

1238
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: that high in the draft. But the point is, you've

1239
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Speaker 1: got good offensive lines. You could grab a guy like

1240
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Speaker 1: Damien Williams who is now running the football effectively for them,

1241
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: or Darryl Williams, their fullback. It can't happen. But with

1242
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: what Barkley is brought to the table, it's hard to

1243
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: sit here and say that that was not a good

1244
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: investment at the number two overall pick. I'll tell you what,

1245
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: it's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot easier

1246
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: to watch running the football than watch Nelson block every time,

1247
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: although he does pancakes. Some guys does well and some

1248
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: but I mean, it's just the productivity from their different

1249
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: they're they're they're obviously different. But I think that you know,

1250
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Speaker 1: both of the teams got they really did get well,

1251
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: and I would be curious to see. Let's see what

1252
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: the combination of Nelson and mac do for the Colts

1253
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: over the next five years. And let's see what her

1254
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: Nan doesn't Barkley do. I mean, it's too early to tell.

1255
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: It's not to say that one made a huge mistake

1256
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: and one made a great decision. Let's let's see what

1257
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: happens over the course of the next five years. And

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Speaker 1: you know what, I believe that we'll be talking about

1259
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Speaker 1: this if we do next year at this time, there

1260
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Speaker 1: will be another alignment in this discussion, because I think

1261
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Speaker 1: the Giants will be getting another alignement in the draft somewhere,

1262
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: and it could be a high second round guy, which

1263
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: means then you combine her Nandez with this new guy,

1264
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: just like what you did with Brad and Smith and

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01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: Quenton Nelson. It's multiple picks, it's not just one guy.

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Speaker 1: And remember, the Giants will be picking in how the

1267
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: sixth draft unless I'm missing something, and they're gonna be

1268
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: high in the second round too, So you know which,

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Speaker 1: Really it could be the thirty eight pick of the draft,

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Speaker 1: could be another really good football player and could be

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Speaker 1: an offensive lineman. There's gonna be a lot of defensive

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Speaker 1: lineman and defensive players picked in the first round, which

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Speaker 1: is gonna put some of these offensive players down, which

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Speaker 1: potentially they could have been high first round picks. But

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Speaker 1: because of the the uh, I guess the the amount

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Speaker 1: of defensive players are gonna be taken above these guys,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna push them down. So you're still going to

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Speaker 1: get the high quality pick at a second or third

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Speaker 1: rounder because of the defensive guys that are in the

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Speaker 1: draft this year, that move up the draft and there

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Speaker 1: for offense a little bit lower. That's a fair point. Alright,

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Speaker 1: we're a little bit over one pm Easter, but I

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Speaker 1: still want to squeeze in our few remaining calls. Mark

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Speaker 1: is in Chicago, Mark, what do you got for us? Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: how Mark? Thanks for having me on. Jeff, your memory

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01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: is not bad, thank you. Sixty eight yard free kick

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Speaker 1: try against the Giants. Oh, I don't know where in

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01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: the game it happens, but cuts your memory? Do you

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Speaker 1: know who tried to kick? No? Was that was it?

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01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: Was it the Redskin? No? It was the Cardinal? So

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01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: was that was it? Wasn't? You're saying, yeah, well, definitely wasn't.

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01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: At halftime because I looked up to play by play,

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01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: So let me, I'll bring up the play by play again,

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Speaker 1: market I didn't look. Can you name the name that kicker,

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Speaker 1: the kicker who for the for the for the Cardinal

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Speaker 1: that attempted the free kick? Did J Feeley? I know

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Speaker 1: he went to the Cardinals after here? Um it was

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Speaker 1: Phil Dawson. Neil Rackers. Neil Rackers. Okay, wow, okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: Well that's in the last successful free kick. It was

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01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: by Bears kicker Matt Percival, who hit a game winning

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Speaker 1: four and three yard field goal in the final minute

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01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: to beat the Packers thirteen to ten on November third,

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01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: n Look at that. I was two years old then.

1304
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: I remember that this was in an article on ESPN

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01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: dot com. It was just buried in it. You had

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01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: to sort of find. Yeah, yeah, thank you so much.

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01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: Memory was very good, very good. And Neil Racker's sixty

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01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: eight yard field goal no good. Five seconds left, actually

1309
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: five seconds left according to this in the second quarter.

1310
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: So I stand corrected. Maybe I just accidentally skin past it.

1311
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: You punted for forty four yards fair catch by Steve

1312
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: Knew right now. We also found out that, oh five,

1313
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: a similar thing could have transpired, they chose not to

1314
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: take advantage of it. Yeah, that's a good fine by you, Mark, absolutely,

1315
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: jet of question. I know I'm a free kick. You

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01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: can drop kick, which is a lot start, but can

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01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: you kick off the T. No that you cannot. You can't, okay,

1318
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: because it's it's a free kick. It's like field goal,

1319
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: So you know you can't kick a field goal off

1320
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: of a t Okay, Yeah, right now? And then you

1321
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: know from the UH section you had the other day

1322
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: with the guy from Pro Football Focus was good. It

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01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: was very good. I want to go back and into

1324
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: it again, but yeah, I think you have to put

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01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: it in the context that these guys are so analytically

1326
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: driven and look at numbers. I think they lose sort

1327
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: of the context of and where I'm started going with

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01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: this is that uh. One of the comments he made

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01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: later in this discussion was how important the offensive line

1330
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: was to a running back, and it came into context

1331
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: of how many UH negative yard plays that Sae Kwon

1332
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: Barkley had this year. But he didn't get Eli Manning

1333
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: the same benefit. And I'll leave it at this, because

1334
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: I know you're running late. What I would have liked

1335
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: to have them do and they could probably do it

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01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: pretty easily. Is look at Eli's performance over the second

1337
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: half of the year and then put that against all

1338
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: the metrics that he was describing that was saying how

1339
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: Eli was not a very good quarterback, and look at

1340
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: it just for the second half of the year, once

1341
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: his offensive line got stabilized, and see how his performance

1342
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: ranked there, Because I mean, the first half of the

1343
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: year just ragged his uh you know, year long statistics

1344
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: down the tubes. And I just think it was sort

1345
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: of a I just sort of think he had an

1346
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: agenda on that. Well, I wouldn't go that far, but

1347
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: I think your main point, Mark is and I brought

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01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: this up right after the interview. I said, like anything else,

1349
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: you've got to take a variety of things into consideration

1350
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: when you evaluate a player. You take it the consideration,

1351
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: the analytics, you take it, the consideration, the eye test,

1352
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: you take it to consideration, the personnel around the quarterback.

1353
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: All of those things I think are relevant in the conversation.

1354
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: I don't think there's only one lens that you should

1355
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: only be looking through, and I think that's your main play. Yeah,

1356
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's also when you look at Eli's

1357
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: performance over the last half of the year. You got

1358
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: to consider it. I believe it was the last three

1359
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: games he didn't have Odell Beckum. Of course that's certainly

1360
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: affected his performance. He got shut out of one game.

1361
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: Yet they still average twenty seven points a game. And Jeff,

1362
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: I'll I'll be a little bit more contrary to what

1363
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: you one statement you made a few minutes ago. I

1364
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: won't blame the defense for the poor performance over the

1365
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: last part of the year. They were horrible. They couldn't

1366
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,919
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis to take the lead twice in the fourth

1367
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: quarter and they couldn't hold it. So anyway, I know

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01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: you guys are running late. Thanks for the time. Keep

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01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: up with the memory work. Thank you well these kinds

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01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: of exercise as well. This is good exactly. This is

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01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: going to help in the long run. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: Bob in Pennsylvania. Bob, welcome to the program. What do

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01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: you have for Hey? How are you doing goodys? I

1374
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: got in here. I had a call in today talking

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01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 1: about Jarlton memories. Um, I think what you might be

1376
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 1: thinking of, Jeff, I was at that game in two

1377
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: thousand and four, an old Sun Devil Stadium banking and

1378
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: their song there. Well, you were up in that game

1379
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: fourteen and nothing. I had a significant bet in Vegas

1380
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: put on the Giants there and I was feeling pretty

1381
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: good about it. Well, the game turned around. We ended

1382
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: up losing seventeen fourteen. I lost the bet and that

1383
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: was Kurt Warner's last game as a matter of fact.

1384
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: But do you remember this, This is maybe why you

1385
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: were thinking of that game. Do you remember in that game.

1386
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: Late in the game, we couldn't move the ball at all.

1387
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner was getting chilled with the pass rush. It

1388
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: was a fake punt call. Well you brought that up, Jeff, Yeah,

1389
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: Jeff brought that up earlier. Yeah, Jim and I threw it.

1390
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Okay, you missed a wide opening receiver

1391
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: for a touchdown, but you weren't whoa, whoa, It wasn't.

1392
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: First of all, let me there's two that's amazing in

1393
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: one sentence. You were incorrect on two things. Number one,

1394
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: you would receiver. I would have won that first of all.

1395
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 1: First of all, he was wide open, okay, and Jim

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01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: Finn gave me the alligator on He didn't put his

1397
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: hands out to catch because he was gonna get murdered.

1398
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: By before the rules were in effect. The second thing

1399
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 1: is it was a crossing panttern, so it wouldn't have

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01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: been for a touchdown. It would have been for a

1401
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 1: first No, it would not. I'm really sad that you

1402
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 1: lost your ten dollar. I mean I forgot about it

1403
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: until you brought up that game. One of the quick

1404
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,799
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to ask Glance who was drafted higher?

1405
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: And uh, was O'Dell drafted above Aaron Donald or not?

1406
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald went right before. Let me look it up

1407
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: two thousand four NFL Draft, because everything is a blur

1408
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: at this point, Giants took Beckham at twelve. Aaron Donald

1409
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:37,799
Speaker 1: went on the very next pick. We made a mistake. Okay,

1410
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: I was just s wandering. I would have rather that

1411
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: would have been a whole lot better if we had

1412
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald all these years. But okay, well, I'm glad

1413
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: I got it. I think you barely pull in, but

1414
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: my memory got you. We always love remembering people losing

1415
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: on bets. That that's always one of our favorite conversations

1416
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 1: on this program. Remember that that game we were killing,

1417
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, nothing and it was like all of a

1418
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: sud And that was Kurt Warner's last game. They went

1419
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:09,759
Speaker 1: to ELI the next week and new new era began.

1420
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 1: Bob appreciate the PHO, you got it, thanks so much,

1421
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 1: fay in so much. How much confidence they had in

1422
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: me completing the past because Kurt Warner was doing so bad.

1423
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: That's just horror. They had just found the recap of

1424
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: that game, the headline fake punts a big misfire. Mar

1425
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: we went in the stupid game. Did you put that

1426
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: up there? Dan? You wrote that. I had to read it,

1427
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: oh man, But no, no, And then and then here's

1428
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: Jim Finn's quote. When we shifted, it seemed like they

1429
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: had an extra guy on that side. I think I

1430
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: would have got Havard. I thank you. You're talking about

1431
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: my memory? Is your memory is on point. It's not good,

1432
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: it's fantastic. Actually good is not doing it enough? Justice

1433
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 1: and that and that now, and I know why he

1434
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: did the alligator because if he would have read, he

1435
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: would have just got annihilate. I'm just fascinating. You lead

1436
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 1: off the every day Jeff Eagle said. The Giants practice

1437
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: the fake punt that every day. Feagle said, he completes

1438
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: the pass. That's the first sentence of this are telling you,

1439
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: I'm a practice guy, I never completed. By the way,

1440
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 1: any of you knuckleheads want to go and look at

1441
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: the statistics, I don't even do it because I'll tell

1442
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: you I'm over six during my career in fake punts,

1443
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: over six, and I have a QB rating at like

1444
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 1: thirty nine point two whatever the lowest is back then.

1445
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: You know, Now there's so many different ones of them.

1446
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: But that's that's My passer rating was thirty nine something,

1447
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 1: I guess, but horrible. Anyways, you could still beat my

1448
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: flake foot in practice, though, Hey, that's all that matters.

1449
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: Fans would disagree, but two players, listen, you executed practice

1450
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 1: you wanted to translate to when it actually counts. Alright,

1451
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: everybody can be like Manna. No, not everybody can. Even

1452
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: though where's my number? I was number ten when I

1453
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: call the giants. The problem is I gave him that

1454
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: you gave him, though also any ability for you to

1455
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: throw in complete passes? What's missing that equation? That's correct, fans,

1456
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: don't forget. You can vote for Sae Kwon Barkley is

1457
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,759
Speaker 1: the PEPSI NFL Rookie of the Year. Voting ends Monday

1458
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,719
Speaker 1: three pm Eastern. You go to NFL dot Com slash

1459
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: rookies to vote, and just real quickly, in terms of

1460
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: the other candidates, You've got Colts linebacker Darius Leonard Denver,

1461
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 1: Broncos running back Philip Lindsay, Brown's quarterback Baker Mayfield. Those

1462
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: are the three others, as well as Brown's running back

1463
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb. So I can't believe that Quentin Nelson's not

1464
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 1: on this list. By the way, that's a crime. Well,

1465
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: that's why it's a big difference. And my point was

1466
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: that's that's nobody's gonna watch the lineman. They're all gonna

1467
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: watch those other guys. And I don't think Nelson. I

1468
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: don't think Nelson would win, but I still think he

1469
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: deserves to be in consideration maybe the Medal Awards. By

1470
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: the way, I'll be revealing that middle of the week

1471
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 1: next week on Twitter, so stay tuned for that will

1472
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: be on the Medal Awards list. Trust, we want to

1473
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,720
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Speaker 1: Jeff always fun as we will speak down the road

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Speaker 1: this offseason. Big Blue Kickoff Live is going to be

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Speaker 1: back up and running Tuesday. No show Monday because of

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Speaker 1: the Martin Luther King Junior Holiday, but Tuesday will be

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Speaker 1: up and running and we'll have full reports from the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl with John Schmilt. Paul and I will be

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Speaker 1: here for Tuesday's program, so stay tuned for that. I

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Speaker 1: want to thank Dan Salomon and our producer for a

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Speaker 1: lot of great nuggets and Jeff Eagles tremendous memory and

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Speaker 1: reminiscing Memory Lane for Jeff Eagles some Lance Meadow. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: the rest of your Friday right here johnts dot com.

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Speaker 1: I've going