Speaker 1: Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and camera
Speaker 1: je Edge.
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Two Teas in
Speaker 2: a Pod. I wanted to thank you guys for going
Speaker 2: along on this journey with us, and I just wanted
Speaker 2: to say a special thanks to Alexia. She's been amazing.
Speaker 2: Do not worry. There will still be ipoor for four,
Speaker 2: but we wanted to really keep you guys on your
Speaker 2: toes for the end of the Real Housewives of Orange County,
Speaker 2: so we brought in my very good friend Erica Jay.
Speaker 3: Hi, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: I kind of can't believe this is happening because this
Speaker 2: is the first time you've ever recapped one of these shows.
Speaker 3: I have no idea, No, I've never done anything like this,
Speaker 3: so I'm going to ask for some guidance if i
Speaker 3: get stuck. But You've always had big opinions. I've always
Speaker 3: had big opinions. And I also have nine years on
Speaker 3: Beverly Hills, so I understand reality TV backwards and Force
Speaker 3: and especially Housewives.
Speaker 2: And she's done her homework, y'all, because don't you worry.
Speaker 2: We have been texting. I'm like, did you watch this?
Speaker 2: Do you do this? Have you followed this And I
Speaker 2: think more than anything of a big part about why
Speaker 2: Two Teas and a Pot is so successful is because
Speaker 2: of the organic relationships that I have with my co hosts.
Speaker 3: Which is perfect because you and I were in this
Speaker 3: together a few years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're friends and it hasn't stopped now. Actually
Speaker 2: we're still on our group chat.
Speaker 3: Ever since you've joined the cast. We've remained friends, and
Speaker 3: I really appreciate that. I mean, obviously we got off
Speaker 3: to a rocky start, but this is what I wanted
Speaker 3: to bring up to you, and I know we're going
Speaker 3: to talk about this later, is that, like in Orange County,
Speaker 3: with these friendships, if you and I can start off rocky,
Speaker 3: bury it and really have a real friendship, Dart and
Speaker 3: I started out terrible, buried it and really have a friendship.
Speaker 3: That's what I want to get into little later with
Speaker 3: these women and the apologize, the apology, is it real?
Speaker 3: Does it mean anything? And how close are these women.
Speaker 2: And also how invested are you in these women's behavior
Speaker 2: as friends on the show. I think that something that
Speaker 2: we've seen historically throughout Orange County is that once somebody
Speaker 2: is fired or demoted or whatever, they're gone.
Speaker 3: So they don't speak to Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like so when Taramar got the boot or whatever it was,
Speaker 2: it was like she was gone. And I can say
Speaker 2: that when I got the boot, you Renna, Kyle Deuriy,
Speaker 2: you got it was like nothing switched.
Speaker 3: Nothing. Ever, Well, we're in show bizbebe we understand. You
Speaker 3: know you're here today, you're gone tomorrow and you could
Speaker 3: be back and you're still going to be our friend.
Speaker 3: You're still an important part of our lives. You're just
Speaker 3: not in the cast with us and you've gone on
Speaker 3: to do other things, which you know says a lot
Speaker 3: about you. I mean, you really have invented or created
Speaker 3: this whole lane for yourself and it's really impressive. So
Speaker 3: you may not be quote on the show, but you're
Speaker 3: still in there.
Speaker 2: Well, you're still here. That you're here with me makes
Speaker 2: me so excited. Do you feel a little bit nervous
Speaker 2: to recap Orange County?
Speaker 3: I am yes.
Speaker 2: What do you think the biggest difference just from the
Speaker 2: get is between Orange County and Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3: Well, I notice they all have a man and we're
Speaker 3: all single. So I'd say that's like the first thing
Speaker 3: that was glaring. I was like, we're a bunch of
Speaker 3: single bitches and these women have men.
Speaker 2: I mean, whether you want them or not.
Speaker 3: Well, I look and I get it because you know,
Speaker 3: I guess I kicked off the divorce streak in our group,
Speaker 3: you know myself. Well, listen, the separation streak. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: but there's no hope for me. I'm never going back.
Speaker 2: But would you get married again?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't. I don't feel that.
Speaker 3: That's where I'm at. I have a lot of work
Speaker 3: to do and I really just want to be successful
Speaker 3: on my own. I have for the first time my
Speaker 3: own thing. Yeah, for real, for real and being a
Speaker 3: grown up, you know, Like, this isn't being twenty and
Speaker 3: married to your husband and having a child. This isn't
Speaker 3: you know, living under the shadow of Tom Girardi for
Speaker 3: twenty plus years. This is Erica out on her own
Speaker 3: doing it. It feels good, and I want to see
Speaker 3: what else I can do. Because if you're involved with
Speaker 3: a man, and certainly with a man, a powerful man,
Speaker 3: you know there's a price to pay. Well, first off,
Speaker 3: any man, nothing is free in this world. And you know,
Speaker 3: the more powerful, the more wealthy, the more.
Speaker 2: And the more you feel like you're under somebody's finger.
Speaker 2: It's horrible. The more that I feel like somebody is
Speaker 2: trying to control me.
Speaker 3: I revolt, I am, I am. My personality changes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that we see a lot of
Speaker 2: that on Orange County. Whether it's you know, we'll get
Speaker 2: into this mid season trailer, but between Jen and Ryan,
Speaker 2: you can see a woman who is financially dependent on
Speaker 2: a man. Yeah, and then it makes you question the
Speaker 2: relationship regardless.
Speaker 3: Well, I feel for her because I know what that's like,
Speaker 3: because you're you're no longer in control, and you will
Speaker 3: do things, or you will acquiesce, or you will agree
Speaker 3: to things that perhaps maybe they may not even be big,
Speaker 3: but they get on your nurves because he's paying the bill,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I feel badly for her.
Speaker 2: Do you think that she is? I think there's two
Speaker 2: different types of women, especially in Beverly Hills and Orange County.
Speaker 2: There are two. There's the type of woman that's like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to pretend that life is amazing all the
Speaker 2: time and so is my relationship and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Or there's the ones that are like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm not even pretending I'm just turning a blind eye.
Speaker 3: And okay, so I think I think it's two stages.
Speaker 3: I think when you're on television and you're new, everything
Speaker 3: is perfect and you're really selling the whole. Hey, I
Speaker 3: have a great life, a public life, a private life,
Speaker 3: like we're doing well now. I know for me, like
Speaker 3: twenty years in, you start ignoring all kinds of shit.
Speaker 3: You start ignoring the snide comments, or you start ignoring
Speaker 3: you know, the fights. You just kind of want to
Speaker 3: keep the peace. I don't know if that's turning a
Speaker 3: blind eye. I mean in some cases, sure. I mean
Speaker 3: I definitely looked the other way when I knew Tom
Speaker 3: had other women in his life, just because I didn't
Speaker 3: feel like dealing with it. I just turned inward and
Speaker 3: went to work. So and then there comes a point,
Speaker 3: like I think, when you've had enough and either you
Speaker 3: leave and you're just like it is what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I think it's like a for me, it was
Speaker 3: a graduated process. Obviously, every woman is different.
Speaker 2: And I think there are also to me, the demise
Speaker 2: of any relationship as we talk about. You know, everybody
Speaker 2: on Beverly Hills is separated or single at this point,
Speaker 2: is the point of indifference.
Speaker 3: Well in differences, truly where I was. And then there's
Speaker 3: one other level, which is contempt. And when you have
Speaker 3: contempt in a relationship, it's over. And I believe, I
Speaker 3: do believe that there was a lot of contempt in
Speaker 3: my relationship from both parties at the end.
Speaker 2: If you were to say, looking at this group of
Speaker 2: women and their relationships, is there anyone you look at
Speaker 2: and you're like, wow, you know, they seem to really
Speaker 2: have it together?
Speaker 3: Let me let me go over this. Okay, my answer
Speaker 3: here may not be correct. You know, you guys may
Speaker 3: be like Erica, how could you not see this?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: I think Terry and Heather have some Okay, I really do.
Speaker 3: I think that Terry and Heather have a solid union.
Speaker 3: I see Heather protecting the homestead and I and everything
Speaker 3: that she and Terry have built, and I see her
Speaker 3: and i'm i'm i'm I agree with it. You know,
Speaker 3: she has a family, and they all have families. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying anybody's family is better than any others. Why
Speaker 3: am I saying that? Because I often felt like my
Speaker 3: marriage was you know, pushed to the side, and it
Speaker 3: wasn't real. And there's no possible way you could love
Speaker 3: this man.
Speaker 2: And actually and to also say from the other side,
Speaker 2: like when I first met you, I remember thinking, wow,
Speaker 2: marriage is so much better than mine.
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Yes? How because there's this weird part of you that,
Speaker 2: especially when you're on a television show and everything seems
Speaker 2: so perfect and you're so well spoken, and you're so confident.
Speaker 3: That's really sweet, and you're all of those things.
Speaker 2: That you're like, Wow, I'm really must be lacking in
Speaker 2: mine because I don't have this control or I don't
Speaker 2: have this confidence or I don't Teddy.
Speaker 3: That blows me away. You really felt that.
Speaker 2: Yes, Why do you think that it was so easy
Speaker 2: for me to like cry or break down if you
Speaker 2: said something because I had this level of respect for you,
Speaker 2: Oh my god. But I also had this level of like, really,
Speaker 2: am I not enough? It's my life not enough? Teddy?
Speaker 3: I always thought that you had it more together than
Speaker 3: any of us. You were out here working out, you
Speaker 3: were an accountability coach, the kids were squared away. You
Speaker 3: and Edwin were fabulous. I am really shocked to hear
Speaker 3: you say that I have no idea and you know what, look,
Speaker 3: I was holding up the walls of a marriage. That was,
Speaker 3: you know, sliding, and he was sliding. So I can't
Speaker 3: believe you think that, Yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2: But I think that's what you know for our listeners everything.
Speaker 2: That's why we always say you're only as good as
Speaker 2: this week's episode or whatever situation is, because you really
Speaker 2: believe things in the moment, and then you see confessionals
Speaker 2: or you see things happen and it really gets a
Speaker 2: little wild. We start out with the mid season trailer
Speaker 2: E did their exclusive. It starts out with Shannon and
Speaker 2: John Jansen come face to face as he shows up
Speaker 2: to a party with Alexis, which my first comment is, like,
Speaker 2: I thought John Jansen wasn't fucking filming.
Speaker 3: Is it was that the agreement or that was said
Speaker 3: or like, what was the deal there? Who said that
Speaker 3: he wasn't filming?
Speaker 2: Supposedly he's never wanted to be on camera. He did
Speaker 2: not want Alexis to film.
Speaker 3: I could see why he would not want Alexis to film.
Speaker 3: I get that maybe he doesn't want any more of housewives.
Speaker 3: I don't think man, I.
Speaker 2: Believe he really told her, I'll pay you what your
Speaker 2: salary of a friend of is if you don't film,
Speaker 2: because that's what we were talking.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, because I don't know what the
Speaker 3: man makes and I don't know this man, So I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna say yes or no. But I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna use my own life. I mean, Tom Girardi
Speaker 3: would have paid me to not do it. Sure right, Sure.
Speaker 2: So John Jansen, he just showed up to what Shannon
Speaker 2: totally loses her shit and bolts for the door. Are
Speaker 2: you kidding me right now? She reacts in the preview,
Speaker 2: I'm fucking out. I'll take an uber. We also see
Speaker 2: Shannon purposely excluding Alexis from the group's trip to London.
Speaker 2: She sends a tech listen, I learned the hard way
Speaker 2: text to housewives are a bad fucking idea.
Speaker 3: It's a very bad idea. They always come back to
Speaker 3: bite you in the ass. And don't leave anyone out.
Speaker 3: Even if you don't like someone, don't leave anyone out.
Speaker 3: And I understood, Well, Shannon is in an impossible situation,
Speaker 3: and my heart really goes out to her because she's
Speaker 3: got a lot going on. And this is an impossible situation.
Speaker 3: You're sitting there with a cast member who is involved
Speaker 3: with your recent ex and we.
Speaker 2: Also have to remember that her ex before John Janssen
Speaker 2: sued Tamra and Shannon upwards of three hundred to five
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: And I saw Shannon saying to Alexis in the previous episode,
Speaker 3: you know, I was a single mother. I didn't know
Speaker 3: how I was going to pay these legal fees. Baby,
Speaker 3: who are you talking to?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like, these lawyers are fucking expensive? And nine
Speaker 3: times out of ten, Oh you know what else I
Speaker 3: thought was interesting? And forgive me, guys, I know that
Speaker 3: everybody that's listening probably thinks I'm lame. Is that the
Speaker 3: same criminal duy guy that Gina had that Shannon has?
Speaker 3: Is that guy just do okay? Does that guy just
Speaker 3: do all the duce case?
Speaker 2: Shannon used that against Gina, right, because Shannon got her
Speaker 2: that rep when Gina got her DUI and then said,
Speaker 2: the reason that your kids aren't in CPS.
Speaker 3: Is because of the lawyer.
Speaker 2: It's because of the lawyer I got you. And Gina
Speaker 2: flipped out and Gina's like, fuck you, My kids were
Speaker 2: never going to.
Speaker 3: Be taken they were never going to be taken away
Speaker 3: from her. That's not true. And you know, but I
Speaker 3: mean the lawyer thing is kind of interesting. Well, I
Speaker 3: guess he got her off so good. He must be good.
Speaker 3: It's like the word decent. I guess.
Speaker 2: Well. I mean it's like when everybody uses the same therapist.
Speaker 2: Like there's Atlanta Potomac and like one other show and
Speaker 2: they keep using this guy, doctor Ken And I'm like,
Speaker 2: if I see fucking doctor Ken.
Speaker 3: Well, doctor jen hold On, doctor yeah Jet whatever she's from,
Speaker 3: what does she celebrity? Well, she have ye all of it,
Speaker 3: but she had her own show too, and you know
Speaker 3: she's born and raised in Beverly Hills and she's seen
Speaker 3: us all.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know what, if she would see me, I
Speaker 2: would see her.
Speaker 3: Really, I'll call her today.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, because I need all the help that I
Speaker 2: can get.
Speaker 3: We all need all the help we can get into.
Speaker 3: Anybody who's listening or watching, Please, if you need therapy, please,
Speaker 3: there are ways to get it. And I promise you
Speaker 3: it's the best investment you'll ever make, and I firmly
Speaker 3: believe in it.
Speaker 2: But what are your thoughts on when housewives in general,
Speaker 2: because we see a lot of this coming out this season.
Speaker 2: I got you this, whether it's on Jersey, like listen
Speaker 2: if you're giving somebody a favor.
Speaker 3: If you're doing it, you're doing it with no expectation
Speaker 3: in return, and do not push anybody's face in it.
Speaker 3: If I do something, I did it, I wanted to
Speaker 3: do it. I'm not looking for something back. Then it
Speaker 3: becomes a quid pro krol this for that. If I'm
Speaker 3: genuinely giving, I'm giving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I feel too. It's the same way
Speaker 2: I feel about loaning money. I don't loan money. I
Speaker 2: will give you money like if somebody.
Speaker 3: Will never expect to and if that and if it
Speaker 3: took five grand to get you out of my life,
Speaker 3: then hooray. Do you know what I mean? Like that,
Speaker 3: here's the money that's.
Speaker 2: To be fucking done with it. So that's why so
Speaker 2: much of this coming up really bugs me. But then
Speaker 2: it comes to we see the text Hello Alexis Shannon Badoor.
Speaker 2: They read a screen grab of the text shown and
Speaker 2: the clip. I'm hosting a trip to Europe with my
Speaker 2: friends and with my friends my friends and just wanted
Speaker 2: to make sure it's clear that you are not invited.
Speaker 3: But if production came in and said she was, she
Speaker 3: would if.
Speaker 2: She had done more than talk about Johnny j I
Speaker 2: think maybe she would have been invited.
Speaker 3: If they just squashed the beefer. I'm sure she would
Speaker 3: have been invited. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then also regarding Alexis and John, we see Shannon
Speaker 2: say to the group, you know what, Alexis Bellino is
Speaker 2: perfect for John Jansen the cast. She means by that,
Speaker 2: I think, be my guess. Okay, So when I had
Speaker 2: Alexis on the podcast, she was one of those like,
Speaker 2: I have sex four times a day. Our life has
Speaker 2: never been better. We have a promise? Yes, fuck, I
Speaker 2: forgot like a Denis. She did tell us four times
Speaker 2: a day.
Speaker 3: Yes, she repeatedly told us that, and the size of
Speaker 3: his member.
Speaker 2: But and then we almost all spent nine to ninety
Speaker 2: nine to go onto her. Only fans of.
Speaker 3: You be quiet right now because honestly, by the way,
Speaker 3: none of us can slurge for that. Though you know what,
Speaker 3: you'd be quiet, you you. But you know what, when
Speaker 3: I needed when I needed some facts, I did reach
Speaker 3: out to our girl Teddy Mellencamp. I was like, can
Speaker 3: you remind me?
Speaker 2: Do you you show me? Do you realize that Alex
Speaker 2: Baskin he's the producer of actually both shows, he's under
Speaker 2: my phone as Life Ruiner.
Speaker 3: And no picture really because he helped me so much
Speaker 3: during my divorce. He got me out of bed every day.
Speaker 2: No, I love him so much, like we text all
Speaker 2: the time. We're still friends. But he's under Alex aka
Speaker 2: the Life Ruiner and it's a picture of Denise from
Speaker 2: only fans as that's kind of funny. Has kind of
Speaker 2: so whenever he text, he's like you up to this?
Speaker 2: Do you want to do this? I'm like, life Ruiner,
Speaker 2: it ain't happening today, ain't happening. But the cast is
Speaker 2: rocked by Jen and her fiance Ryan scandal. Emily says,
Speaker 2: this is the biggest scandal out there. He could go
Speaker 2: to prison. Eddie Tamer's husband who we don't really see,
Speaker 2: get involved very Eddie is like.
Speaker 3: I kind of like that though, I kind of like
Speaker 3: it when husbands aren't that involved. It is a group
Speaker 3: of women. You are following a group of women. I
Speaker 3: do like it when husbands are there for the wives,
Speaker 3: but when they get involved in the petty drama, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: step out, she's got it or or she's you know, uh.
Speaker 3: The woman who's in the group should be able to
Speaker 3: handle everything herself. She should not need you to come
Speaker 3: in and help her out.
Speaker 2: But when we heard Eddie say this guy is a
Speaker 2: scumbag and later denies giving even Ryan a hug, Tamra
Speaker 2: says Ryan, this guy is a piece of shit, before
Speaker 2: adding in a confessional nobody knows who the real Ryan is.
Speaker 3: What does that mean? Nobody knows who the real Ryan is?
Speaker 3: What is it beyond beyond this? These alleged and I
Speaker 3: say alleged talking to me, you know, these alleged what
Speaker 3: are they? They're not charges? Thank god? They are associations
Speaker 3: with alleged snitch sueries. Yeah, did he snitch? Is that
Speaker 3: the big thing?
Speaker 2: I'm allegedly allegedly? And listen, Ryan isn't even giving me
Speaker 2: the egg the way he was last season. Like, I'm
Speaker 2: kind of liking he.
Speaker 3: Seemed like he was nice when I was watching the shows.
Speaker 3: He's like he was cool.
Speaker 2: Last season it was terrible. It was like every single
Speaker 2: outfit with the like fake logos tag.
Speaker 3: But does that but does that? Okay, does that make
Speaker 3: him a bad guy? If you don't like his clothes?
Speaker 3: Does that make him a bad man? Like that? No?
Speaker 2: But I don't. I tend to not like a man
Speaker 2: to pretend to be somebody that they're not.
Speaker 3: Okay, so who is he here? Like Tamra said in
Speaker 3: her confessional, nobody knows who the real Ryan is. So
Speaker 3: what are we talking about here?
Speaker 2: Well, what we are talking about is a man who
Speaker 2: we do not know what his current job is.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: But I did like Jen this episode because she kind
Speaker 2: of makes light of it. But I meant Jen Gina, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I did like Jen this episode because there's moments where
Speaker 2: she makes, you know, levity or light of the situation.
Speaker 2: But I also feel like from being in a situation
Speaker 2: where you know shit's about to hit the fan, that's
Speaker 2: kind of the only way that you can do it.
Speaker 3: No, you could be a mess. I mean, what has
Speaker 3: he told her when shit's about to hit the fan?
Speaker 3: I mean that's really true, Like what does Jen really know?
Speaker 3: And what is it that he's told her? You know,
Speaker 3: that's a that's a big thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean then it seems whatever it is
Speaker 2: that it happens, it seems to affect Gen and Tammer's relationship.
Speaker 2: We see Jen say you talked about him being a bookie?
Speaker 3: Is that true? Do they have that you talked about
Speaker 3: him being a bookie? Set on camera.
Speaker 2: They have not shown it yet. Okay, but you better
Speaker 2: fucking shut your mouth. And Tama cooks back, Why why
Speaker 2: is it going to put a hit on me?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Probably not. It's okay.
Speaker 2: But then tensions are also rising as Gena and Katie's
Speaker 2: relationship continues to deteriorate, and Janie shouts in Katie's face,
Speaker 2: You're a liar.
Speaker 3: So what is that with the paparazzi thing? Is that
Speaker 3: what we're talking about? Is that why she's saying you're
Speaker 3: a liar? Is does this all go back to which,
Speaker 3: By the way, Heather, if they got you at Disneyland
Speaker 3: looking cute with your husband, thank god, because they usually
Speaker 3: get me looking like a fucking.
Speaker 2: Desire nev I listen, you remember my trick fil a
Speaker 2: when it was during like it was during COVID, and
Speaker 2: I had my gloves on and I'm at.
Speaker 3: A little like it.
Speaker 2: Looked a little rough. But I think what the main
Speaker 2: part is, which we learned a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 2: was that what bothered Heather about this entire paparazzi conversation
Speaker 2: was that she was having publicly whether it's privately happening
Speaker 2: or not, but there was public conversation about her marriage
Speaker 2: and alleged cheating on Terry's part, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, now there's these paparazzi shots.
Speaker 3: Oh so it looks like it. Oh so the women
Speaker 3: are saying, Hey, these things were out in the press
Speaker 3: about yours and Terry's relationship.
Speaker 2: How convenient of you to hugging and kissing.
Speaker 3: I know, okay, I.
Speaker 2: See, yeah, I mean, I mean, but also I hate
Speaker 2: to be the bearer of bad news. It's f fortless
Speaker 2: to get a paparazzi to take a picture of somebody,
Speaker 2: or is like I can freaking go to a random
Speaker 2: hotel in the middle of nowhere. I think I'm fine
Speaker 2: playing ping pong with my kids, and there will be
Speaker 2: a picture that will show up of me looking like
Speaker 2: the like tails from.
Speaker 3: The crypt Babe, did you see us jumping off a
Speaker 3: boat and sing lush? We were in open water?
Speaker 2: We start out episode seven of season eighteen, and is
Speaker 2: there possibly a worse feeling than when production wakes everybody
Speaker 2: up and you're hungover.
Speaker 3: No, and you're just wanting to be anywhere else than
Speaker 3: where you are, knowing you have to whip yourself together
Speaker 3: and go either play fucking pick a ball, Oh my god,
Speaker 3: on the hottest day in the year, by the way.
Speaker 2: In Lakinta, or like go arrow shooting, or like the
Speaker 2: amount of shit that you have to do.
Speaker 3: How hungover were you in Provence?
Speaker 2: Listen, I don't even that was legendary, by the way,
Speaker 2: our Just to give you guys a little bit of
Speaker 2: backstory that night of Provence when I fought with Erica
Speaker 2: about god knows what, unnecessarily because I really liked Erica
Speaker 2: at this point. I woke up that morning and I
Speaker 2: what you don't understand in these homes. We're all in
Speaker 2: our separate places, but there's like you have your own
Speaker 2: like kind of producer that's tied to you that you trust,
Speaker 2: that you trust ish okay, maybe you trust, you think
Speaker 2: you trust, maybe you trust. So like I remember waking
Speaker 2: up and being like, I, you know, my phone wasn't
Speaker 2: even plugged in.
Speaker 3: You know, like that's the last and you're pretty good
Speaker 3: about that because of the family and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like I wasn't even plugged in. I wake up,
Speaker 2: I see Laser. I'm like, how bad will this last night?
Speaker 3: He's like not good now, But you know what, that's
Speaker 3: also a game to make you feel like, to put
Speaker 3: you on like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: And then he's like, and now you guys have thirty
Speaker 2: minutes before you guys go and get a bow and
Speaker 2: arrow and shoot at each other. And I'm like, so
Speaker 2: I do understand that hangover feeling. But we get tamor
Speaker 2: Jen and Alexis talk about how they like Katie. Tamara
Speaker 2: wonders how they will convince her to like Heather. Yeah,
Speaker 2: do you think that's possible to actually convince somebody to
Speaker 2: know someone?
Speaker 3: I don't. Not for me, I would prefer not to
Speaker 3: try to be convinced to like anyone. And I think
Speaker 3: Heather is a grown woman and probably, you know, beyond convincing,
Speaker 3: She's going to make up her own mind, and rightfully so.
Speaker 2: Then Shannon says she had zero intention to bring the
Speaker 2: friend group into the fact that John Jansen is threatening
Speaker 2: to sue her. Emily says it's made Shannon looked like
Speaker 2: she had been dishonest about the relationship. Shannon says she
Speaker 2: has proof that she paid for stuff. She gives an
Speaker 2: example of paying for a trip to la for John's
Speaker 2: oldest daughter. Emily asked if she was trying to buy
Speaker 2: his love and Shannon says she enjoyed doing it. Emily
Speaker 2: then suggests cutting out the attorney and sending John thirty grand,
Speaker 2: and then Shannon says she doesn't want to give him
Speaker 2: a dollar.
Speaker 3: And then I'm kind of shocked, Emily, a former attorney
Speaker 3: would say send him thirty grand without wrapping it up
Speaker 3: with an attorney. But if if I were Shannon and
Speaker 3: he was causing me that much pain and I wanted
Speaker 3: to get rid of him, I would make sure with
Speaker 3: the lawyer that I would wrap it up so tight,
Speaker 3: you know, But if I paid him so no, I
Speaker 3: mean not that, Emily. You know, I just thought it
Speaker 3: was funny. I was like, really, okay.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the part that I am a little
Speaker 2: bit confused by just because I mean.
Speaker 3: Why did they break up?
Speaker 2: Though? I think they broke up because they were terribly
Speaker 2: toxic relationship, were they? I think they, you know, and
Speaker 2: I'm not calling anybody an alcoholic or not, but I
Speaker 2: think they were a kind of couple that drank too much,
Speaker 2: made bad decisions, fought their families, didn't get along. Shit.
Speaker 3: But Alexis says that he does not drink with.
Speaker 2: Her right and that that may be the case. I've
Speaker 2: hung out with Alexis and she didn't drink with me,
Speaker 2: and I drink and I probably got drunk. Like when
Speaker 2: we went to the Nelly concert, I was drunk. Ellie, Yeah, Now,
Speaker 2: I was so fucking joy. He didn't DM me back.
Speaker 3: You DM Nelly, what's going on?
Speaker 2: I was like, Hey, Nelly, we're at the show and nothing.
Speaker 3: No, he's not gonna We're not his type. You are
Speaker 3: not cool enough to be No, Nelly.
Speaker 2: He wasn't into it. But either way, the point is
Speaker 2: like when we talk about a facelift or being loan
Speaker 2: money by by a man and then having to pay
Speaker 2: them back, that actually felt really weird to me. Edwin
Speaker 2: and I keep our finances separate. If Edwin were to
Speaker 2: purchase something for me, a gift, a gift, paying him
Speaker 2: back seems absolutely obscene to me.
Speaker 3: He's also your husband, so I'd like to say that
Speaker 3: that's an extra layer. I don't know the agreement or
Speaker 3: the you know, you don't know the dynamic in which
Speaker 3: Shannon and John's relationship was set up. Maybe they felt
Speaker 3: good doing things for each other. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 3: I I would like to know, like, was it unspoken?
Speaker 3: Were there boundaries? Did you guys agree to do things
Speaker 3: that would help me just a little bit more clarity,
Speaker 3: but not that we're going to get it, not that
Speaker 3: it you.
Speaker 2: Know, but we also I can tell you from past
Speaker 2: seasons there was definitely moments in time where we talked
Speaker 2: about how Shannon and John Jansen did not have sex
Speaker 2: because he didn't find her physically attractive. So, as a woman,
Speaker 2: if you're with a.
Speaker 3: Guy, hold on, So okay, So who said she said that?
Speaker 2: He? She said that when she would call and she'd
Speaker 2: been under the influence, she would call and tell these girls,
Speaker 2: whether it was off camera on camera, Okay, you know
Speaker 2: that he.
Speaker 3: Wasn't sex having sex with her because he didn't like
Speaker 3: the way she physically looked, right, Okay, And so why
Speaker 3: would he stay? If that's the case, and that leads.
Speaker 2: You to believe that, then of course you're going to
Speaker 2: accept a facelift from that person if that you think
Speaker 2: would I.
Speaker 3: Though, I mean, if a man thought that I was
Speaker 3: not pretty enough to sleep with, knowing me, I'd be
Speaker 3: like fuck you, and I get no facelift.
Speaker 2: From Yeah, I know if that's true. I wonder if
Speaker 2: he But imagine being in back to back really toxic
Speaker 2: relationships because her one before her husband cheated on her.
Speaker 2: He I mean, we watched him kind of take her
Speaker 2: through the stringer.
Speaker 3: She looks like she's in a lot of pain even
Speaker 3: to this day, and I feel badly about that and going.
Speaker 3: You know, it's one thing. Look, people love the drama
Speaker 3: on these shows. Yeah, that's great, But until it happens
Speaker 3: to you and you're living your life, you know, publicly,
Speaker 3: and you're getting a divorce and your husband's cheating on you,
Speaker 3: and then you get involved with this other person who's
Speaker 3: treating you like this. I mean, I feel for Shannon
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways that cannot be.
Speaker 2: No, and the fact that she came back. It's a lot,
Speaker 2: but I feel like Shannon is definitely looking for love
Speaker 2: and all the wrong places. Yeah, but then we get
Speaker 2: we get into a little bit of a storyline of
Speaker 2: Jen's ex husband, Will, who has been dating a woman
Speaker 2: named Lara.
Speaker 3: Who Jin knew right she was a friend, right.
Speaker 2: But what we have to remember is that Jen and
Speaker 2: Ryan had already been having an affair before this relationship started.
Speaker 3: Hold on a second, So you're saying that Jen and
Speaker 3: Ryan were having an affair while she was married to Will.
Speaker 3: Correct Okay, I did not know that, So.
Speaker 2: Yes, do I feel empathy about what.
Speaker 3: He changes the dynamic a bit? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like, then tell the full story, like
Speaker 2: I see if we're going, Yes, a million percent. If
Speaker 2: if Edwin and I were to break up tomorrow, and
Speaker 2: of course it would, we place in a new person
Speaker 2: and they're with my kids every other weekend, it.
Speaker 3: Is going to hurt me, of course it would.
Speaker 2: But if I was cheating on Edwin and ended the
Speaker 2: demise of our relationship, so she ended the marriage.
Speaker 3: Yeah that was the reason they got a divorce. Okay,
Speaker 3: well yeah that does change things, yes.
Speaker 2: Like, yes, of course it's still going to feel shitty.
Speaker 3: As it should, and nobody's taking that part away.
Speaker 2: And nobody's taking that part away that like, your marriage
Speaker 2: may be shitty and you're having to make that decision
Speaker 2: on your own, like and go. She she kept saying,
Speaker 2: he never wanted to do those things with me, He
Speaker 2: never wanted to spend time with us. He never want
Speaker 2: and maybe he doesn't. But now all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: Will is wanting to do those things with her friend
Speaker 2: feels shitty.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it does, but it's also part about Look
Speaker 3: when you move on. You move on, and people change,
Speaker 3: and we all see our husbands in different new relationships
Speaker 3: or you know, situations minus insane, just putting that out there,
Speaker 3: you know, so, and things happen when you divorce and
Speaker 3: people move on. I mean we've seen our friend, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: move on and our friends move on. So I get it.
Speaker 3: That's a complicated thing, you know. Uh.
Speaker 2: Then we start to see tamor she's gonna emotional talking
Speaker 2: about her daughter.
Speaker 3: I really felt for her. Yeah, that's sad. You know,
Speaker 3: when you're estrange from your children, you know, even though
Speaker 3: they may be adult children or young adult children, you know,
Speaker 3: that hurts. And but kids do this. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: sure that Sydney will come around at some point.
Speaker 2: Did you ever feel like with your ex that he
Speaker 2: was trying to do perenttal alienation with your Now.
Speaker 3: My first husband and I actually had a great relationship,
Speaker 3: probably a better relationship divorced than married, and I'm very
Speaker 3: grateful he never did anything like that and we're still
Speaker 3: friends to this day.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but do you think what do you think
Speaker 2: creates that not having anger?
Speaker 3: I think that two people have to come and put
Speaker 3: the shit. I don't know. I mean now we're asking
Speaker 3: to kind of delve into why Sydney doesn't feel like
Speaker 3: talking to her mom and that that I don't know,
Speaker 3: you know, I just don't know enough about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, then Gina confronts Emily about being upset with her,
Speaker 2: and Emily asked Gina what she was supposed to think
Speaker 2: when Gina liked Katie and then sitting after sitting with Heather,
Speaker 2: Gina now hates Katie. Emily says, Gina lets Heather manipulate her.
Speaker 2: And essentially what we're saying is Emily's upset with Gina
Speaker 2: because Gina.
Speaker 3: She feels like whatever Heather says is she's you know that,
Speaker 3: you know, Gina kisses Heather's ass and she's going to
Speaker 3: do what other Heather says because she's either afraid of
Speaker 3: her or admires her. Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 2: But then also in that same token, Gina is saying
Speaker 2: that Emily kisses well camera's.
Speaker 3: Now she said that she's meaner being around Tamra, But
Speaker 3: do you more aggressive.
Speaker 2: And do you agree with that? Do you think that
Speaker 2: you know, we've we got a lot of help during
Speaker 2: Fox Wars five that we were this like force of
Speaker 2: people to be terrible to other people.
Speaker 3: No, we just happened to be friends and had been
Speaker 3: together for a long time. I think that from what
Speaker 3: I've seen of Gina's personality, she's very outspoken, she's a
Speaker 3: former attorney. She sticks up for herself, she lets her
Speaker 3: feelings be known. Tama does the same thing. When you
Speaker 3: put two personalities like that, it doubles in size. So
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's being up her ass or
Speaker 3: she's being worse, or I don't think it's like, look,
Speaker 3: these are grown women. Is anybody egging each other on? Like, Hey,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I do know that I'm more mischievous
Speaker 3: with some friends than others. I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 2: But I also feel like there is a moment in
Speaker 2: every franchise where somebody wants to feel like the queen bee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's natural. I think if we're just
Speaker 3: gonna say friend groups, they do become competitive and someone
Speaker 3: always wants to ownership over the group. So who are
Speaker 3: you talking about at other?
Speaker 2: Well, No, that's actually my question watching it, because I
Speaker 2: have a little bit of inside perspective, just because of
Speaker 2: my friendships with Emily, with tamor like when you watch it,
Speaker 2: I knew going. You know, after halfway through my first season,
Speaker 2: I was like, shit, these are the power players that
Speaker 2: I have to be careful about.
Speaker 3: Were you afraid of them or were you afraid how
Speaker 3: about this? What was your fear that they were going
Speaker 3: to x you out or that you they weren't going
Speaker 3: to be nice? What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: I would say my fear was that they were never
Speaker 2: going to give me a chance. And that includes you.
Speaker 3: Oh you've said that, yeah, but like that.
Speaker 2: You would never give me a chance. And when I
Speaker 2: throughout my entire life, when I feel like I'm not
Speaker 2: given a chance, then I don't feel like I act
Speaker 2: like my true self.
Speaker 3: No one does, by the way, no one does. Whenever
Speaker 3: somebody feels like they're not being accepted or they feel
Speaker 3: on the outside, you don't even get a chance to
Speaker 3: know someone, you know they're not showing you their best,
Speaker 3: And how can you be vulnerable in those moments? Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know, so I can.
Speaker 2: But then I think it shifts when true relationships happen.
Speaker 2: And I think that's where we're struggling with Orange County.
Speaker 2: Orange County is I think good. I think they've come
Speaker 2: in and they've really formed, like there are moments where
Speaker 2: I'm really laughing. This season, I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: Yeah so far, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then Gina. I love when Gina and em
Speaker 2: Lay are trying to like have their comfort frontation with
Speaker 2: each other and they're like playing pickleball and their asses
Speaker 2: are hanging out.
Speaker 3: Yah, it's cute and it's hot in Lakina, or it
Speaker 3: looks like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's definitely Lakina.
Speaker 3: They what did she call them? Nut jobs?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh, this is so good.
Speaker 3: That's not us. We're not nut jobs.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Gina worries and she says, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: worried our friendship is going to turn into you know,
Speaker 2: Tamara and Shannon, and she goes, this is not us.
Speaker 2: Those two are nut jobs.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, yes, their dynamic is different nut jobs.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe she was saying that in a loving way,
Speaker 3: but you know, Tamar and Shannon have big personalities, and
Speaker 3: yes they do things where you're like, yeah, you know
Speaker 3: it's extra, But they've also been on television for a
Speaker 3: lot of years, carrying the show for a lot of years.
Speaker 3: So what do you expect because how many of you
Speaker 3: been on nine? If I go back, it will be ten.
Speaker 3: But that's a decade. That's a decade long of making
Speaker 3: things happen.
Speaker 2: Right, So I think there are fourty And.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. That's like, that's a it's a
Speaker 3: lifetime on television, and people don't realize. You know, there's
Speaker 3: fatigue after a while, there's audience fatigue, there's cast fatigue,
Speaker 3: There's all of these things that come into play. So
Speaker 3: number one, they have a very strong bond and they're
Speaker 3: out here trying to make shit happen.
Speaker 2: But also I think that as you are on I
Speaker 2: never got really to this point because I was never
Speaker 2: on a show long enough, but where you are on
Speaker 2: a show long enough where you have a lot of
Speaker 2: yes people and they're telling you, yes, this makes sense.
Speaker 2: What you're saying is good, this is right, this is that,
Speaker 2: and that you know that everybody has those I know, I'm.
Speaker 3: Thinking about what you're saying. I are you talking about
Speaker 3: production and you're talking about other casts.
Speaker 2: The other cast members are people that maybe work with you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like you will be sitting there in your hair and makeup.
Speaker 2: Even me at like my Measley little life style worth
Speaker 2: but like there was Measley point in times where I
Speaker 2: was making bad decisions. They were like, yes, Teddy, you
Speaker 2: were so right there.
Speaker 3: Those people you need to pluck out of your head.
Speaker 2: And then you watch back and I'm like, I absolutely right,
Speaker 2: Like you should have told me to go kick Rocks.
Speaker 2: But I think that might be what's happening with Gina.
Speaker 2: She's been on six years, six or seven years, but
Speaker 2: she's coming in hard this season.
Speaker 3: Is there something else going on in her life maybe
Speaker 3: that maybe would account for that, or is it just
Speaker 3: like you feel as if maybe they told her that.
Speaker 2: Well, I think last season, I don't know that Gina
Speaker 2: had much life left in her on the show, Okay,
Speaker 2: and then she came in this season and she really
Speaker 2: stirted up a bit. She breaks up with Travis.
Speaker 3: Right, why did they break up?
Speaker 2: Well, so she was with this guy Matt, who never
Speaker 2: was on the show. He worked and good for Matt
Speaker 2: who was smart. Well, because what ended up happening with
Speaker 2: Matt's around.
Speaker 3: Oh, I did not apologize. I didn't know. I just
Speaker 3: thought it was a good idea not to be on
Speaker 3: the show. Okay, I'm show. What happened with.
Speaker 2: Matt was they moved to Orange County. They came to
Speaker 2: Orange County and then we never see Matt because Matt
Speaker 2: is allegedly having an affair, and then once the affair
Speaker 2: is over, they there's a domestic violence.
Speaker 3: That is okay, say less, all right, I'm sorry I
Speaker 3: did not Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 2: But and not making this better.
Speaker 3: But Matt is very attractive, good, okay, right, right, well
Speaker 3: it's better I stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like I'm just giving you, I feel like
Speaker 2: you need a full layout. So Matt's very attractive. He
Speaker 2: had a good job. He lost that job allegedly because
Speaker 2: of what happens on the show, even though he's never
Speaker 2: on the show. And then she ends up with Travis,
Speaker 2: and then she buys the home for her and Travis's kids,
Speaker 2: so now we have possibly over six kids.
Speaker 3: I saw that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tight that. I want you to imagine moving
Speaker 2: my three kids and Kai for kids, and to reads
Speaker 2: two kids and to your place. Right.
Speaker 3: First off, no, none of you are coming over. No.
Speaker 3: I lost my dog and I haven't replaced him one
Speaker 3: because he's irreplaceable. But too because you know, like space,
Speaker 3: yeah right, a little privacy, privacy, well just freedom, you know, right.
Speaker 3: My boy was you know, he needed a lot of
Speaker 3: care at the end. My god, he was the best.
Speaker 3: But that's a lot of children to take on their
Speaker 3: nine right, Yeah, that's a lot of kids.
Speaker 2: Wow, a lot of kids. And so what I think
Speaker 2: we're seeing is that relationship. But also, how do you
Speaker 2: feel about a relationship if you lived with somebody, you
Speaker 2: decided we're going to move in together, we're gonna put
Speaker 2: our families together, but actually now we're not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I that's over for me. Well, if I
Speaker 3: were to do that, this is what I'm asking, like,
Speaker 3: why is she no longer? What is the separation about?
Speaker 2: Like, that's a lot, but that's what we didn't get
Speaker 2: until the pick up a cart court when she goes, Well,
Speaker 2: I think you know, Travis is trying to break.
Speaker 3: Up with me. Why would he be trying to break
Speaker 3: up with her?
Speaker 2: My guess is he's trying to break up with her
Speaker 2: because she said she didn't want him in the house.
Speaker 2: Because I think she's just allegedly the sole breadwinner.
Speaker 3: Do you have any proof to back that up that
Speaker 3: you bought the house? Okay, but do you think that
Speaker 3: that's really bothering her?
Speaker 2: Would it bother you? Well?
Speaker 3: I don't even have enough money to buy a house. Thanks, top, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's not where I see myself.
Speaker 2: No, right, yeah, yeah, But then Gina and but.
Speaker 3: Nine kids is a lot too, I mean it's a lot,
Speaker 3: Like that's a lot.
Speaker 2: According to Gina, there was a bunch of issues with
Speaker 2: Travis's ex and with Matt there's no issues. So it's
Speaker 2: like there's all kinds of shit going down, but what
Speaker 2: you are realizing is it's messy. And I think that
Speaker 2: I think Emily, like from somebody who I talk to
Speaker 2: every week on this podcast for over an hour, I
Speaker 2: think Emily is an asshole, but in a loving asshole.
Speaker 3: I think she's strong. I don't I think she's outspoken.
Speaker 3: I don't know if she's an asshole maybe I don't.
Speaker 2: Like I think she's an asshole in the way that
Speaker 2: like she's not going to sugarcoat something to make you
Speaker 2: feel better. But if you actually looked at her and
Speaker 2: said like, hey, I need you for a second, she
Speaker 2: would be there for you.
Speaker 3: Yes, I well, look, people have different communication styles and
Speaker 3: different personalities, so she's someone that will really be there
Speaker 3: for you when the chips are down.
Speaker 2: But imagine if that person. So imagine you're with Renna.
Speaker 3: And who has been called an asshole, not by me,
Speaker 3: but yeah.
Speaker 2: But you're with Renna, and all of a sudden, you
Speaker 2: hear Renna's talking shit about you behind your back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: saying that you're the biggest asshole you've.
Speaker 3: That would hurt my feelings, right, Yeah, for sure. It's
Speaker 3: impossible to not to not feel something, of course, And if.
Speaker 2: Randa wanted to call you an asshole, she should call
Speaker 2: it you to your face.
Speaker 3: She would and she has, yes, she has. She's I
Speaker 3: feel like, what.
Speaker 2: Are we two seasons ago? You were an asshole one night?
Speaker 3: Oh not one night every night?
Speaker 2: Whatever. I'm so sad I missed that shit. I would
Speaker 2: have been so happy during.
Speaker 3: Somebody said, you know, I really enjoyed you during that time.
Speaker 3: I was like, how Because I asked out of myself
Speaker 3: every day and night.
Speaker 2: I would have fucking loved it. And you know, well,
Speaker 2: I don't care about people getting manicure pedicures together. Don't care?
Speaker 3: Well, isn't that kind of a backdrop for the conversation.
Speaker 3: So the conversation has to be more interesting than the
Speaker 3: manicures and pedicures.
Speaker 2: So it's about only fans.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they wanted Jen to do an only fans
Speaker 3: like in Big Bear when they.
Speaker 2: Were would you suck my toe? If I put it
Speaker 2: in pie.
Speaker 3: No, ma'am.
Speaker 2: Then we get Tamra and Shannon meet up. Tamra starts
Speaker 2: off by saying she was hopeful that Shannon would be
Speaker 2: the one to reach out and meet up. Shannon says
Speaker 2: Tamara has been doing nothing but to faming her. Tamra
Speaker 2: mocks Shannon says she didn't. Tamar asks if she doesn't
Speaker 2: drink anymore, and Sannon says she has two drinks. Shannon
Speaker 2: then says she has seen Tamar and compromising situations, and
Speaker 2: then Tamar of course goes, have I drove my car
Speaker 2: into your house? And then Shannon walks away from the table.
Speaker 2: I need to dress something really quick. A couple people
Speaker 2: have said the reason I no longer have Alexia on
Speaker 2: this podcast is because Alexia comes for Tamra.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's right.
Speaker 2: And I'm here to tell you guys like I want opposing.
Speaker 3: Views, Well, you can't have it all. Yes, you need
Speaker 3: a co host or or someone that actually will say
Speaker 3: how they truly feel. That's fine if she comes for
Speaker 3: tamraa you didn't.
Speaker 2: Like, it wasn't up to me. I also think that
Speaker 2: there are moments, Yes, I will always the same way
Speaker 2: when I recap Beverly Hills, I'm always going to see
Speaker 2: a side of Erica that I love in Carabaa and
Speaker 2: same with Tamra, and so yes there. Do I think
Speaker 2: this dinner between Tamra and Shannon is good? Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: But isn't Tama being Tamra? Isn't that what Tamara does?
Speaker 3: Isn't Tamara giving us the fabulous Tamra judge right here?
Speaker 3: When she says, have I drove my car into it?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's it's so obvious.
Speaker 2: It's it's very lay man, it's like, what the fact? Yeah,
Speaker 2: But it also is shocking to me the amount of
Speaker 2: people that are like, she's upset, like why wouldn't you
Speaker 2: be there? And and then I try to put myself
Speaker 2: in a in a situation and like, I'm I really
Speaker 2: do sit there. And I'm not going to mention any names,
Speaker 2: but during my three years on Beverly Hills, there was
Speaker 2: somebody that would call me she may have had chardonnay
Speaker 2: and kat and saig breath, garlic, breath, garlic, and it
Speaker 2: was a lot of garlic and shun. It was a
Speaker 2: lot of late night calls.
Speaker 3: Did you really?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? I never experienced so many of them, like, Hey.
Speaker 3: We need to talk for a second, and what would
Speaker 3: she talk to you about?
Speaker 2: I'm curious what I needed to do the next day,
Speaker 2: fucking kidding me? And yeah, and it was never good.
Speaker 2: It was the right advice. But I could only imagine
Speaker 2: fourteen years into those conversations.
Speaker 3: I would be over it. Yeah, No, I would be
Speaker 3: over it. I would be like, you know what, stop,
Speaker 3: Like if we don't know what the fuck we should
Speaker 3: be doing right now in the moment and how we
Speaker 3: each feel independently of each other, stop, that's not what
Speaker 3: the job is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's what we're ultimately seeing, whether
Speaker 2: we want to say, whatever it is. I think what
Speaker 2: we're seeing between Shannon and Tamra is they're just tired. Tired.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're tired. I mean they're tired of each other
Speaker 3: and probably tired of the show and probably tired, you
Speaker 3: know at some point of the whole thing, you know,
Speaker 3: it's a lot to do these shows, fourteen years of
Speaker 3: a friendship with someone, they're not in the best place.
Speaker 3: You get frustrated with people, you never know what's going
Speaker 3: on in your own life, and then you know, he
Speaker 3: just you say things like this. I mean, it was
Speaker 3: a layup. Have I drove my car into a house?
Speaker 3: Everybody loves that? Stop it. No, it's not nice. It's
Speaker 3: very mean, but it's perfectly tamor and and kind of
Speaker 3: fat the same.
Speaker 2: And also, you kind of know when you decide to
Speaker 2: go into the next season. You knew when you were
Speaker 2: going into your worst season what was going to happen.
Speaker 3: Listen, you weren't.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, I hope nobody mentions.
Speaker 3: It one trillion percent. You know you're going to get,
Speaker 3: you know, cut into ribbons. And I'm quite sure Shannon
Speaker 3: is a very smart woman. She knew sooner or later
Speaker 3: somebody was going to make this remark. That doesn't make
Speaker 3: it right, that doesn't make it hurt less. Let you
Speaker 3: know it's coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So then Shannon tells their producer in the bathroom
Speaker 2: that Tamar has done nothing but hurt her and spread
Speaker 2: spread lives. Shannon says, this is a true example of
Speaker 2: kicking someone when they're down. Then Shannon breaks the fourth
Speaker 2: wall and she says, uh, you know, Tamar never disappoints
Speaker 2: in that aspect. And I think this is where it
Speaker 2: gets a little bit tricky. Do I think that this
Speaker 2: was Tarmar's best moment in the entire world. Probably not,
Speaker 2: but knowing Tamar and knowing the way that she handles
Speaker 2: me when I do fucked up shit, it's the same way.
Speaker 3: Is this her personality? This is heard through and through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I look, some people are comforters.
Speaker 3: Some seple aren't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like some people are like, I got you, It's fine,
Speaker 2: It wasn't that bad.
Speaker 3: You know what. And that's how it is. And I'm
Speaker 3: sure that Look, everybody's tired of everybody at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, at the end of the day, who would
Speaker 2: you rather be friends with? Shannon or Tamara?
Speaker 3: Are you? Because I know you? I've said allow to Tamra,
Speaker 3: She's been very sweet to me. I think I've met
Speaker 3: Shannon in a couple of times that she's also been nice,
Speaker 3: maybe once or twice.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe once or twice. And then Shannon comes back
Speaker 2: to the table saying she has learned to step away
Speaker 2: and take a breath when the situation calls for it.
Speaker 2: She then tells Tama that John, issuing her her lawyer,
Speaker 2: made a settlement offer today and she doesn't know him anything.
Speaker 2: And then John said he won't accept one penny under
Speaker 2: seventy five thousand dollars, he said. If she doesn't come
Speaker 2: up with a payment plan, there finally.
Speaker 3: A meaning, he an Alexis, Yeah, this is what I
Speaker 3: this reps me a little bit. Well, it's strictly John
Speaker 3: versus Shannon. It's not Alexis and John versus shit.
Speaker 2: Well, then let's have John on the fucking chum.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that would make the most sense, But that's
Speaker 3: not the most exciting thing. The Alexis angle is much
Speaker 3: more exciting than the John thing. It's cool to keep John,
Speaker 3: you know, back here threatening on the outside, right.
Speaker 2: But then now we've got this backstory of there's this
Speaker 2: video of allegedly Shannon nd or.
Speaker 3: What is this video? Because they've made much mention of it,
Speaker 3: and tell me what is this.
Speaker 2: Except okay, so supposedly allegedly, there's this one part that,
Speaker 2: like I think we were meant to almost forget or
Speaker 2: not realize, where Katie he learns the information that John
Speaker 2: Alexis Yeah, okay, that John Jansen has the information that
Speaker 2: and a ring camera video of Shannon allegedly almost running
Speaker 2: over his daughter. Hold us his daughter, I mean a
Speaker 2: teenager or older. But the night.
Speaker 3: Of the dy Okay.
Speaker 2: But that's what brought it to light to the cameras
Speaker 2: and now all of us are talking about it.
Speaker 3: Right, So, but.
Speaker 2: Where I kind of where I kind of lie with this, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not mad at Katie for bringing
Speaker 2: it up. Clearly she's doing what she's got to do.
Speaker 2: It's her first year. She's like, sure, you want me
Speaker 2: to mention.
Speaker 3: This as a job to do, which is give her opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, give her opinion. She heard it.
Speaker 3: But I also like to be honest, if it wasn't
Speaker 3: going to get Alexis told it so, if it was
Speaker 3: going to remain private, then Alexis wouldn't have said anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also Alexis, if you're going to be on
Speaker 2: the show doing something, then maybe do something. Just did No,
Speaker 2: But all she's doing is the same thing over and
Speaker 2: over to make Shannon look like an asshole. And how
Speaker 2: great John Jansen is?
Speaker 3: Oh? I see that bugs me? Like, be great on
Speaker 3: your own You're what you're saying is, don't make that
Speaker 3: your storyline be your own. Cool, Yes, it's a part
Speaker 3: of your storyline, but then don't make that your only
Speaker 3: card to play.
Speaker 2: And if and if that is your only card to play,
Speaker 2: then be the world's biggest asshole, be the world's biggest villain.
Speaker 3: Do you think she's a middle villain?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate a middle villain, like either be the
Speaker 2: biggest villain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you are one of those people that's sick.
Speaker 2: I'm all or nothing.
Speaker 3: All in by Teddy millancap all in by. You can
Speaker 3: go to all in by Teddy dot com and then
Speaker 3: we can. But that is actually really what bothers me. Tamra,
Speaker 3: you know, ends multiple conversations by saying, you know, she'd
Speaker 3: have she'd like to have a party, and she would
Speaker 3: love for Shannon and Vicki to come. Okay, so why
Speaker 3: have Vicky come? Then?
Speaker 2: I think she was trying to make Shannon feel comfortable
Speaker 2: and so you can come if you want to bring Vicki.
Speaker 2: We're all good. All's fine. But like they had already
Speaker 2: had their situation where like the Trace Amigas was done, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: and I think that's okay. The way that Tamor ended
Speaker 2: Trace Amigas, I actually lived it, and I think it
Speaker 2: she did it the right way. She said, I don't
Speaker 2: feel comfortable with what we're doing right now. I work
Speaker 2: all these different jobs and now if you're not drinking.
Speaker 2: You just got this?
Speaker 3: Do you put it on hold? Yeah? I get it, like,
Speaker 3: let's hold, let's pause for a minute.
Speaker 2: Or do it on your own. But don't be mad
Speaker 2: at me.
Speaker 3: For it, right, I see?
Speaker 2: And but then she invited Vicky to this event, which unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I will also be at next week.
Speaker 3: You're going, oh my goodness, Wow.
Speaker 2: Can you believe I said yes to something.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of shocked. Don't we don't see you anywhere?
Speaker 2: I know, but I went to this. I did it
Speaker 2: for Tam.
Speaker 3: But oh my god, was it good?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I'm sure no matter what happens,
Speaker 2: I'll look like the world's biggest asshole.
Speaker 3: Oh you got in? Okay? Why don't we hope for
Speaker 3: the positive? Well, I mean we could, but we could
Speaker 3: just stay positive, stay positive?
Speaker 2: All right? Well, is there anything you want to tease
Speaker 2: us with?
Speaker 3: On you? Because well, on me personally. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm out here performing. I've got some great things going on,
Speaker 3: and I'm really happy that you asked me to come
Speaker 3: on here. This is kind of fun. I'm excited to
Speaker 3: be here. This is a new thing for me. I've
Speaker 3: never done something like this. I'm usually singing and dancing
Speaker 3: and you know, acting a fool. But things are good.
Speaker 3: I feel good, probably for the first time in almost
Speaker 3: it'll be four years in November that I left home
Speaker 3: and uh separated, and the whole world, my whole world
Speaker 3: kind of blew up. But everything is much better and
Speaker 3: I am looking at life through a much better lens
Speaker 3: and I'm happy for that.
Speaker 2: And what would you say has and you can tell
Speaker 2: me to shut the fuck up, but like, what would
Speaker 2: you say has been the hardest part? And what would
Speaker 2: you say is like your biggest growth.
Speaker 3: The hardest part was having been accused of things that
Speaker 3: I did not do and having that repeated over and
Speaker 3: over to the world and asking and basically to a
Speaker 3: point of well, I begged before I yelled not to
Speaker 3: repeat those things because there were cases and my hands
Speaker 3: were tired and I couldn't talk about it and that
Speaker 3: would be solved in a court of law. The best
Speaker 3: part about it is I'm incredibly comfortable in my own skin.
Speaker 3: I have great confidence that was earned the super hard way,
Speaker 3: like I had confidence before, but I have this sort
Speaker 3: of new, I don't know, version of confidence. It just
Speaker 3: comes really from the gut. And I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3: I don't live with much regret because there's nothing you
Speaker 3: can do about it. All you can do is learn
Speaker 3: from things and go forward. And I'm excited for what's
Speaker 3: ahead of me. I know what's behind me, and I'm
Speaker 3: okay with that, and I think moving on. You know,
Speaker 3: it took a long time to really disconnect from my
Speaker 3: old life Tom and really just be to a place
Speaker 3: where it doesn't hurt anymore. And it does sometimes on days.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna sit here and say, like you know there, oh, no,
Speaker 3: all is great. There are days that that hurt and
Speaker 3: memories that you know still come. But for the most part,
Speaker 3: I'm I feel much better. Yeah, yeah, and I'm glad
Speaker 3: and I can see that in you. Thank you what
Speaker 3: like that. It's nice to be able to want to
Speaker 3: go have fun and want to live again and want
Speaker 3: to be with people and to go do things and
Speaker 3: not hide because for so many years, the last four
Speaker 3: years three and a half years, I felt like I
Speaker 3: needed to hide and I didn't feel comfortable and I
Speaker 3: felt very out of place and just it's wild. We'll
Speaker 3: get into it some other day, though.
Speaker 2: No, we definitely will talk about it. And thank you
Speaker 2: guys for joining us. For another episode of Two Teas
Speaker 2: in a Pot. And I'm so excited that somebody that
Speaker 2: I truly care about and I think can add so
Speaker 2: much insight to all of the information is here with me.
Speaker 3: Thank you Erica, Thank you Teddy.
Speaker 2: This was fun and you'll be with us every week now,
Speaker 2: so get used to it.
Speaker 3: Get used to it. It'll be fun. We'll have a
Speaker 3: good time. Bye, bye, guys.