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Speaker 1: Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and camera

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Speaker 1: je Edge.

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Two Teas in

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Speaker 2: a Pod. I wanted to thank you guys for going

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Speaker 2: along on this journey with us, and I just wanted

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Speaker 2: to say a special thanks to Alexia. She's been amazing.

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Speaker 2: Do not worry. There will still be ipoor for four,

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Speaker 2: but we wanted to really keep you guys on your

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Speaker 2: toes for the end of the Real Housewives of Orange County,

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Speaker 2: so we brought in my very good friend Erica Jay.

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Speaker 3: Hi, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: I kind of can't believe this is happening because this

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Speaker 2: is the first time you've ever recapped one of these shows.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea, No, I've never done anything like this,

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Speaker 3: so I'm going to ask for some guidance if i

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Speaker 3: get stuck. But You've always had big opinions. I've always

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Speaker 3: had big opinions. And I also have nine years on

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Speaker 3: Beverly Hills, so I understand reality TV backwards and Force

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Speaker 3: and especially Housewives.

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Speaker 2: And she's done her homework, y'all, because don't you worry.

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Speaker 2: We have been texting. I'm like, did you watch this?

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Speaker 2: Do you do this? Have you followed this And I

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Speaker 2: think more than anything of a big part about why

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Speaker 2: Two Teas and a Pot is so successful is because

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Speaker 2: of the organic relationships that I have with my co hosts.

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Speaker 3: Which is perfect because you and I were in this

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Speaker 3: together a few years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're friends and it hasn't stopped now. Actually

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Speaker 2: we're still on our group chat.

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Speaker 3: Ever since you've joined the cast. We've remained friends, and

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate that. I mean, obviously we got off

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Speaker 3: to a rocky start, but this is what I wanted

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Speaker 3: to bring up to you, and I know we're going

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Speaker 3: to talk about this later, is that, like in Orange County,

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Speaker 3: with these friendships, if you and I can start off rocky,

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Speaker 3: bury it and really have a real friendship, Dart and

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Speaker 3: I started out terrible, buried it and really have a friendship.

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Speaker 3: That's what I want to get into little later with

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Speaker 3: these women and the apologize, the apology, is it real?

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Speaker 3: Does it mean anything? And how close are these women.

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Speaker 2: And also how invested are you in these women's behavior

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Speaker 2: as friends on the show. I think that something that

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Speaker 2: we've seen historically throughout Orange County is that once somebody

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Speaker 2: is fired or demoted or whatever, they're gone.

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Speaker 3: So they don't speak to Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like so when Taramar got the boot or whatever it was,

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Speaker 2: it was like she was gone. And I can say

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Speaker 2: that when I got the boot, you Renna, Kyle Deuriy,

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Speaker 2: you got it was like nothing switched.

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Speaker 3: Nothing. Ever, Well, we're in show bizbebe we understand. You

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Speaker 3: know you're here today, you're gone tomorrow and you could

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Speaker 3: be back and you're still going to be our friend.

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Speaker 3: You're still an important part of our lives. You're just

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Speaker 3: not in the cast with us and you've gone on

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Speaker 3: to do other things, which you know says a lot

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Speaker 3: about you. I mean, you really have invented or created

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Speaker 3: this whole lane for yourself and it's really impressive. So

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Speaker 3: you may not be quote on the show, but you're

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Speaker 2: Well, you're still here. That you're here with me makes

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Speaker 2: me so excited. Do you feel a little bit nervous

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Speaker 2: to recap Orange County?

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Speaker 3: I am yes.

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Speaker 2: What do you think the biggest difference just from the

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Speaker 2: get is between Orange County and Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 3: Well, I notice they all have a man and we're

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Speaker 3: that was glaring. I was like, we're a bunch of

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Speaker 2: I mean, whether you want them or not.

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Speaker 3: Well, I look and I get it because you know,

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Speaker 3: I guess I kicked off the divorce streak in our group,

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Speaker 3: you know myself. Well, listen, the separation streak. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: but there's no hope for me. I'm never going back.

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Speaker 2: But would you get married again?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't. I don't feel that.

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Speaker 3: That's where I'm at. I have a lot of work

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Speaker 3: you know there's a price to pay. Well, first off,

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Speaker 2: And the more you feel like you're under somebody's finger.

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Speaker 2: It's horrible. The more that I feel like somebody is

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Speaker 3: I revolt, I am, I am. My personality changes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that we see a lot of

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Speaker 3: Well, I feel for her because I know what that's like,

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Speaker 3: because you're you're no longer in control, and you will

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Speaker 3: to things that perhaps maybe they may not even be big,

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Speaker 2: Do you think that she is? I think there's two

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Speaker 2: There are two. There's the type of woman that's like,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to pretend that life is amazing all the

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Speaker 2: Or there's the ones that are like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: And okay, so I think I think it's two stages.

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Speaker 3: I think when you're on television and you're new, everything

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Speaker 3: have a great life, a public life, a private life,

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Speaker 3: like we're doing well now. I know for me, like

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Speaker 3: twenty years in, you start ignoring all kinds of shit.

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Speaker 3: You start ignoring the snide comments, or you start ignoring

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Speaker 3: I definitely looked the other way when I knew Tom

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Speaker 3: So I think it's like a for me, it was

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Speaker 2: And I think there are also to me, the demise

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Speaker 2: is the point of indifference.

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Speaker 3: Well in differences, truly where I was. And then there's

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Speaker 3: one other level, which is contempt. And when you have

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Speaker 3: contempt in a relationship, it's over. And I believe, I

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Speaker 3: do believe that there was a lot of contempt in

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Speaker 2: If you were to say, looking at this group of

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Speaker 2: and you're like, wow, you know, they seem to really

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Speaker 3: Let me let me go over this. Okay, my answer

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Speaker 3: here may not be correct. You know, you guys may

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Speaker 3: be like Erica, how could you not see this?

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Speaker 3: I think Terry and Heather have some Okay, I really do.

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Speaker 3: I think that Terry and Heather have a solid union.

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Speaker 3: I see Heather protecting the homestead and I and everything

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Speaker 3: and i'm i'm i'm I agree with it. You know,

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Speaker 3: she has a family, and they all have families. I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying anybody's family is better than any others. Why

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Speaker 3: am I saying that? Because I often felt like my

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Speaker 3: wasn't real. And there's no possible way you could love

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Speaker 2: And actually and to also say from the other side,

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Speaker 2: like when I first met you, I remember thinking, wow,

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 2: Yes? How because there's this weird part of you that,

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Speaker 3: That's really sweet, and you're all of those things.

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Speaker 2: That you're like, Wow, I'm really must be lacking in

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Speaker 3: That blows me away. You really felt that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Why do you think that it was so easy

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. But I also had this level of like, really,

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Speaker 2: am I not enough? It's my life not enough? Teddy?

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Speaker 3: I always thought that you had it more together than

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Speaker 3: I was holding up the walls of a marriage. That was,

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Speaker 2: But I think that's what you know for our listeners everything.

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Speaker 2: That's why we always say you're only as good as

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Speaker 2: this week's episode or whatever situation is, because you really

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Speaker 2: believe things in the moment, and then you see confessionals

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Speaker 2: E did their exclusive. It starts out with Shannon and

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Speaker 2: to a party with Alexis, which my first comment is, like,

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Speaker 2: I thought John Jansen wasn't fucking filming.

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Speaker 3: Is it was that the agreement or that was said

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Speaker 3: or like, what was the deal there? Who said that

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Speaker 2: Supposedly he's never wanted to be on camera. He did

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Speaker 3: I could see why he would not want Alexis to film.

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Speaker 3: I get that maybe he doesn't want any more of housewives.

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Speaker 3: I don't think man, I.

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Speaker 2: Believe he really told her, I'll pay you what your

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Speaker 2: because that's what we were talking.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, because I don't know what the

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Speaker 3: not gonna say yes or no. But I mean, I'm

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Speaker 3: just gonna use my own life. I mean, Tom Girardi

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Speaker 3: would have paid me to not do it. Sure right, Sure.

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Speaker 2: So John Jansen, he just showed up to what Shannon

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Speaker 2: I'm fucking out. I'll take an uber. We also see

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Speaker 2: Shannon purposely excluding Alexis from the group's trip to London.

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Speaker 2: She sends a tech listen, I learned the hard way

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Speaker 2: text to housewives are a bad fucking idea.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know what, if she would see me, I

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Speaker 3: What does that mean? Nobody knows who the real Ryan is?

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Speaker 3: What is it beyond beyond this? These alleged and I

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Speaker 2: I'm allegedly allegedly? And listen, Ryan isn't even giving me

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Speaker 3: Seemed like he was nice when I was watching the shows.

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Speaker 3: Does that make him a bad man? Like that? No?

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Speaker 2: But I don't. I tend to not like a man

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: But I did like Jen this episode because she kind

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Speaker 3: I mean that's really true, Like what does Jen really know?

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Speaker 2: Looked a little rough. But I think what the main

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Speaker 3: Oh so it looks like it. Oh so the women

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Speaker 2: How convenient of you to hugging and kissing.

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Speaker 3: The crypt Babe, did you see us jumping off a

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Speaker 3: No, and you're just wanting to be anywhere else than

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Speaker 2: In Lakinta, or like go arrow shooting, or like the

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00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 2: amount of shit that you have to do.

439
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Speaker 3: How hungover were you in Provence?

440
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 2: Listen, I don't even that was legendary, by the way,

441
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 2: our Just to give you guys a little bit of

442
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 2: backstory that night of Provence when I fought with Erica

443
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 2: about god knows what, unnecessarily because I really liked Erica

444
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 2: at this point. I woke up that morning and I

445
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: what you don't understand in these homes. We're all in

446
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 2: our separate places, but there's like you have your own

447
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 2: like kind of producer that's tied to you that you trust,

448
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 2: that you trust ish okay, maybe you trust, you think

449
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 2: you trust, maybe you trust. So like I remember waking

450
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 2: up and being like, I, you know, my phone wasn't

451
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 2: even plugged in.

452
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,679
Speaker 3: You know, like that's the last and you're pretty good

453
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 3: about that because of the family and everything.

454
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like I wasn't even plugged in. I wake up,

455
00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 2: I see Laser. I'm like, how bad will this last night?

456
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 3: He's like not good now, But you know what, that's

457
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 3: also a game to make you feel like, to put

458
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 3: you on like, oh my god.

459
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 2: And then he's like, and now you guys have thirty

460
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: minutes before you guys go and get a bow and

461
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 2: arrow and shoot at each other. And I'm like, so

462
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 2: I do understand that hangover feeling. But we get tamor

463
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 2: Jen and Alexis talk about how they like Katie. Tamara

464
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 2: wonders how they will convince her to like Heather. Yeah,

465
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 2: do you think that's possible to actually convince somebody to

466
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 2: know someone?

467
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 3: I don't. Not for me, I would prefer not to

468
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 3: try to be convinced to like anyone. And I think

469
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 3: Heather is a grown woman and probably, you know, beyond convincing,

470
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 3: She's going to make up her own mind, and rightfully so.

471
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 2: Then Shannon says she had zero intention to bring the

472
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 2: friend group into the fact that John Jansen is threatening

473
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Speaker 2: to sue her. Emily says it's made Shannon looked like

474
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 2: she had been dishonest about the relationship. Shannon says she

475
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: has proof that she paid for stuff. She gives an

476
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Speaker 2: example of paying for a trip to la for John's

477
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 2: oldest daughter. Emily asked if she was trying to buy

478
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: his love and Shannon says she enjoyed doing it. Emily

479
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,479
Speaker 2: then suggests cutting out the attorney and sending John thirty grand,

480
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: and then Shannon says she doesn't want to give him

481
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Speaker 2: a dollar.

482
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 3: And then I'm kind of shocked, Emily, a former attorney

483
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 3: would say send him thirty grand without wrapping it up

484
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 3: with an attorney. But if if I were Shannon and

485
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 3: he was causing me that much pain and I wanted

486
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 3: to get rid of him, I would make sure with

487
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 3: the lawyer that I would wrap it up so tight,

488
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 3: you know, But if I paid him so no, I

489
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 3: mean not that, Emily. You know, I just thought it

490
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 3: was funny. I was like, really, okay.

491
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Speaker 2: Well, I think the part that I am a little

492
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: bit confused by just because I mean.

493
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Speaker 3: Why did they break up?

494
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: Though? I think they broke up because they were terribly

495
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 2: toxic relationship, were they? I think they, you know, and

496
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 2: I'm not calling anybody an alcoholic or not, but I

497
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 2: think they were a kind of couple that drank too much,

498
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 2: made bad decisions, fought their families, didn't get along. Shit.

499
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 3: But Alexis says that he does not drink with.

500
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Speaker 2: Her right and that that may be the case. I've

501
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: hung out with Alexis and she didn't drink with me,

502
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: and I drink and I probably got drunk. Like when

503
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 2: we went to the Nelly concert, I was drunk. Ellie, Yeah, Now,

504
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 2: I was so fucking joy. He didn't DM me back.

505
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 3: You DM Nelly, what's going on?

506
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 2: I was like, Hey, Nelly, we're at the show and nothing.

507
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 3: No, he's not gonna We're not his type. You are

508
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 3: not cool enough to be No, Nelly.

509
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: He wasn't into it. But either way, the point is

510
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 2: like when we talk about a facelift or being loan

511
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 2: money by by a man and then having to pay

512
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 2: them back, that actually felt really weird to me. Edwin

513
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: and I keep our finances separate. If Edwin were to

514
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 2: purchase something for me, a gift, a gift, paying him

515
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: back seems absolutely obscene to me.

516
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 3: He's also your husband, so I'd like to say that

517
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 3: that's an extra layer. I don't know the agreement or

518
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: the you know, you don't know the dynamic in which

519
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: Shannon and John's relationship was set up. Maybe they felt

520
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 3: good doing things for each other. I don't know. I mean,

521
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 3: I I would like to know, like, was it unspoken?

522
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 3: Were there boundaries? Did you guys agree to do things

523
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: that would help me just a little bit more clarity,

524
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 3: but not that we're going to get it, not that

525
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 3: it you.

526
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 2: Know, but we also I can tell you from past

527
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: seasons there was definitely moments in time where we talked

528
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 2: about how Shannon and John Jansen did not have sex

529
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: because he didn't find her physically attractive. So, as a woman,

530
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 2: if you're with a.

531
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 3: Guy, hold on, So okay, So who said she said that?

532
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: He? She said that when she would call and she'd

533
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 2: been under the influence, she would call and tell these girls,

534
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 2: whether it was off camera on camera, Okay, you know

535
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 2: that he.

536
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 3: Wasn't sex having sex with her because he didn't like

537
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 3: the way she physically looked, right, Okay, And so why

538
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 3: would he stay? If that's the case, and that leads.

539
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 2: You to believe that, then of course you're going to

540
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: accept a facelift from that person if that you think

541
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: would I.

542
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 3: Though, I mean, if a man thought that I was

543
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 3: not pretty enough to sleep with, knowing me, I'd be

544
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: like fuck you, and I get no facelift.

545
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 2: From Yeah, I know if that's true. I wonder if

546
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: he But imagine being in back to back really toxic

547
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: relationships because her one before her husband cheated on her.

548
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: He I mean, we watched him kind of take her

549
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: through the stringer.

550
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 3: She looks like she's in a lot of pain even

551
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: to this day, and I feel badly about that and going.

552
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: You know, it's one thing. Look, people love the drama

553
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,479
Speaker 3: on these shows. Yeah, that's great, But until it happens

554
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 3: to you and you're living your life, you know, publicly,

555
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 3: and you're getting a divorce and your husband's cheating on you,

556
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 3: and then you get involved with this other person who's

557
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 3: treating you like this. I mean, I feel for Shannon

558
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways that cannot be.

559
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: No, and the fact that she came back. It's a lot,

560
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: but I feel like Shannon is definitely looking for love

561
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: and all the wrong places. Yeah, but then we get

562
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: we get into a little bit of a storyline of

563
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 2: Jen's ex husband, Will, who has been dating a woman

564
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: named Lara.

565
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: Who Jin knew right she was a friend, right.

566
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 2: But what we have to remember is that Jen and

567
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: Ryan had already been having an affair before this relationship started.

568
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 3: Hold on a second, So you're saying that Jen and

569
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 3: Ryan were having an affair while she was married to Will.

570
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: Correct Okay, I did not know that, So.

571
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: Yes, do I feel empathy about what.

572
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 3: He changes the dynamic a bit? Yeah?

573
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like, then tell the full story, like

574
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: I see if we're going, Yes, a million percent. If

575
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 2: if Edwin and I were to break up tomorrow, and

576
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 2: of course it would, we place in a new person

577
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: and they're with my kids every other weekend, it.

578
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: Is going to hurt me, of course it would.

579
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: But if I was cheating on Edwin and ended the

580
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: demise of our relationship, so she ended the marriage.

581
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 3: Yeah that was the reason they got a divorce. Okay,

582
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: well yeah that does change things, yes.

583
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: Like, yes, of course it's still going to feel shitty.

584
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 3: As it should, and nobody's taking that part away.

585
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: And nobody's taking that part away that like, your marriage

586
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 2: may be shitty and you're having to make that decision

587
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: on your own, like and go. She she kept saying,

588
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: he never wanted to do those things with me, He

589
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: never wanted to spend time with us. He never want

590
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: and maybe he doesn't. But now all of a sudden,

591
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 2: Will is wanting to do those things with her friend

592
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 2: feels shitty.

593
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: I'm sure it does, but it's also part about Look

594
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: when you move on. You move on, and people change,

595
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: and we all see our husbands in different new relationships

596
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: or you know, situations minus insane, just putting that out there,

597
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: you know, so, and things happen when you divorce and

598
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 3: people move on. I mean we've seen our friend, you know, yeah,

599
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: move on and our friends move on. So I get it.

600
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: That's a complicated thing, you know. Uh.

601
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: Then we start to see tamor she's gonna emotional talking

602
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: about her daughter.

603
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: I really felt for her. Yeah, that's sad. You know,

604
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 3: when you're estrange from your children, you know, even though

605
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: they may be adult children or young adult children, you know,

606
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: that hurts. And but kids do this. I mean, I'm

607
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: sure that Sydney will come around at some point.

608
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: Did you ever feel like with your ex that he

609
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: was trying to do perenttal alienation with your Now.

610
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: My first husband and I actually had a great relationship,

611
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: probably a better relationship divorced than married, and I'm very

612
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 3: grateful he never did anything like that and we're still

613
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: friends to this day.

614
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but do you think what do you think

615
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: creates that not having anger?

616
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: I think that two people have to come and put

617
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: the shit. I don't know. I mean now we're asking

618
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: to kind of delve into why Sydney doesn't feel like

619
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 3: talking to her mom and that that I don't know,

620
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: you know, I just don't know enough about that.

621
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, then Gina confronts Emily about being upset with her,

622
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: and Emily asked Gina what she was supposed to think

623
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: when Gina liked Katie and then sitting after sitting with Heather,

624
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: Gina now hates Katie. Emily says, Gina lets Heather manipulate her.

625
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: And essentially what we're saying is Emily's upset with Gina

626
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: because Gina.

627
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: She feels like whatever Heather says is she's you know that,

628
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: you know, Gina kisses Heather's ass and she's going to

629
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: do what other Heather says because she's either afraid of

630
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: her or admires her. Yeah, right, right.

631
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: But then also in that same token, Gina is saying

632
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: that Emily kisses well camera's.

633
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: Now she said that she's meaner being around Tamra, But

634
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,239
Speaker 3: do you more aggressive.

635
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: And do you agree with that? Do you think that

636
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: you know, we've we got a lot of help during

637
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: Fox Wars five that we were this like force of

638
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: people to be terrible to other people.

639
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 3: No, we just happened to be friends and had been

640
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 3: together for a long time. I think that from what

641
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: I've seen of Gina's personality, she's very outspoken, she's a

642
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 3: former attorney. She sticks up for herself, she lets her

643
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 3: feelings be known. Tama does the same thing. When you

644
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: put two personalities like that, it doubles in size. So

645
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's being up her ass or

646
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: she's being worse, or I don't think it's like, look,

647
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: these are grown women. Is anybody egging each other on? Like, Hey,

648
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: I don't know. I do know that I'm more mischievous

649
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: with some friends than others. I'll leave it at that.

650
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: But I also feel like there is a moment in

651
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: every franchise where somebody wants to feel like the queen bee.

652
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's natural. I think if we're just

653
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: gonna say friend groups, they do become competitive and someone

654
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: always wants to ownership over the group. So who are

655
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: you talking about at other?

656
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: Well, No, that's actually my question watching it, because I

657
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: have a little bit of inside perspective, just because of

658
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: my friendships with Emily, with tamor like when you watch it,

659
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: I knew going. You know, after halfway through my first season,

660
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: I was like, shit, these are the power players that

661
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: I have to be careful about.

662
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: Were you afraid of them or were you afraid how

663
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 3: about this? What was your fear that they were going

664
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: to x you out or that you they weren't going

665
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: to be nice? What are you talking about?

666
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: I would say my fear was that they were never

667
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: going to give me a chance. And that includes you.

668
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: Oh you've said that, yeah, but like that.

669
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: You would never give me a chance. And when I

670
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: throughout my entire life, when I feel like I'm not

671
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: given a chance, then I don't feel like I act

672
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: like my true self.

673
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: No one does, by the way, no one does. Whenever

674
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 3: somebody feels like they're not being accepted or they feel

675
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: on the outside, you don't even get a chance to

676
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: know someone, you know they're not showing you their best,

677
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 3: And how can you be vulnerable in those moments? Yeah?

678
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: You know, so I can.

679
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: But then I think it shifts when true relationships happen.

680
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: And I think that's where we're struggling with Orange County.

681
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: Orange County is I think good. I think they've come

682
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: in and they've really formed, like there are moments where

683
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: I'm really laughing. This season, I enjoyed it.

684
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: Yeah so far, Yeah.

685
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then Gina. I love when Gina and em

686
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: Lay are trying to like have their comfort frontation with

687
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: each other and they're like playing pickleball and their asses

688
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: are hanging out.

689
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: Yah, it's cute and it's hot in Lakina, or it

690
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: looks like it.

691
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's definitely Lakina.

692
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: They what did she call them? Nut jobs?

693
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

694
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: Oh, this is so good.

695
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: That's not us. We're not nut jobs.

696
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Gina worries and she says, you know, I'm

697
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: worried our friendship is going to turn into you know,

698
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: Tamara and Shannon, and she goes, this is not us.

699
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: Those two are nut jobs.

700
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, yes, their dynamic is different nut jobs.

701
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: You know, maybe she was saying that in a loving way,

702
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: but you know, Tamar and Shannon have big personalities, and

703
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: yes they do things where you're like, yeah, you know

704
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 3: it's extra, But they've also been on television for a

705
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: lot of years, carrying the show for a lot of years.

706
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 3: So what do you expect because how many of you

707
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 3: been on nine? If I go back, it will be ten.

708
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: But that's a decade. That's a decade long of making

709
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 3: things happen.

710
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: Right, So I think there are fourty And.

711
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. That's like, that's a it's a

712
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: lifetime on television, and people don't realize. You know, there's

713
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 3: fatigue after a while, there's audience fatigue, there's cast fatigue,

714
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 3: There's all of these things that come into play. So

715
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 3: number one, they have a very strong bond and they're

716
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: out here trying to make shit happen.

717
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: But also I think that as you are on I

718
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: never got really to this point because I was never

719
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: on a show long enough, but where you are on

720
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: a show long enough where you have a lot of

721
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: yes people and they're telling you, yes, this makes sense.

722
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: What you're saying is good, this is right, this is that,

723
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 2: and that you know that everybody has those I know, I'm.

724
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: Thinking about what you're saying. I are you talking about

725
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 3: production and you're talking about other casts.

726
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: The other cast members are people that maybe work with you. Yeah,

727
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 2: like you will be sitting there in your hair and makeup.

728
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 2: Even me at like my Measley little life style worth

729
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: but like there was Measley point in times where I

730
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: was making bad decisions. They were like, yes, Teddy, you

731
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: were so right there.

732
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: Those people you need to pluck out of your head.

733
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: And then you watch back and I'm like, I absolutely right,

734
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: Like you should have told me to go kick Rocks.

735
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: But I think that might be what's happening with Gina.

736
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 2: She's been on six years, six or seven years, but

737
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: she's coming in hard this season.

738
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 3: Is there something else going on in her life maybe

739
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: that maybe would account for that, or is it just

740
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 3: like you feel as if maybe they told her that.

741
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: Well, I think last season, I don't know that Gina

742
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: had much life left in her on the show, Okay,

743
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: and then she came in this season and she really

744
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: stirted up a bit. She breaks up with Travis.

745
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 3: Right, why did they break up?

746
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 2: Well, so she was with this guy Matt, who never

747
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,959
Speaker 2: was on the show. He worked and good for Matt

748
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: who was smart. Well, because what ended up happening with

749
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: Matt's around.

750
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 3: Oh, I did not apologize. I didn't know. I just

751
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 3: thought it was a good idea not to be on

752
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: the show. Okay, I'm show. What happened with.

753
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: Matt was they moved to Orange County. They came to

754
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: Orange County and then we never see Matt because Matt

755
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: is allegedly having an affair, and then once the affair

756
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: is over, they there's a domestic violence.

757
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: That is okay, say less, all right, I'm sorry I

758
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: did not Yeah, okay, so.

759
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: But and not making this better.

760
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 3: But Matt is very attractive, good, okay, right, right, well

761
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 3: it's better I stop.

762
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like I'm just giving you, I feel like

763
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: you need a full layout. So Matt's very attractive. He

764
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: had a good job. He lost that job allegedly because

765
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 2: of what happens on the show, even though he's never

766
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 2: on the show. And then she ends up with Travis,

767
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: and then she buys the home for her and Travis's kids,

768
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: so now we have possibly over six kids.

769
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: I saw that.

770
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tight that. I want you to imagine moving

771
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: my three kids and Kai for kids, and to reads

772
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: two kids and to your place. Right.

773
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: First off, no, none of you are coming over. No.

774
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 3: I lost my dog and I haven't replaced him one

775
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 3: because he's irreplaceable. But too because you know, like space,

776
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 3: yeah right, a little privacy, privacy, well just freedom, you know, right.

777
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 3: My boy was you know, he needed a lot of

778
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 3: care at the end. My god, he was the best.

779
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: But that's a lot of children to take on their

780
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: nine right, Yeah, that's a lot of kids.

781
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 2: Wow, a lot of kids. And so what I think

782
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: we're seeing is that relationship. But also, how do you

783
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: feel about a relationship if you lived with somebody, you

784
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: decided we're going to move in together, we're gonna put

785
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 2: our families together, but actually now we're not.

786
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I that's over for me. Well, if I

787
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 3: were to do that, this is what I'm asking, like,

788
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 3: why is she no longer? What is the separation about?

789
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: Like, that's a lot, but that's what we didn't get

790
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: until the pick up a cart court when she goes, Well,

791
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: I think you know, Travis is trying to break.

792
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 3: Up with me. Why would he be trying to break

793
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: up with her?

794
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 2: My guess is he's trying to break up with her

795
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: because she said she didn't want him in the house.

796
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: Because I think she's just allegedly the sole breadwinner.

797
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: Do you have any proof to back that up that

798
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: you bought the house? Okay, but do you think that

799
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 3: that's really bothering her?

800
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: Would it bother you? Well?

801
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: I don't even have enough money to buy a house. Thanks, top, Yeah,

802
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 3: that's not where I see myself.

803
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: No, right, yeah, yeah, But then Gina and but.

804
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 3: Nine kids is a lot too, I mean it's a lot,

805
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 3: Like that's a lot.

806
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: According to Gina, there was a bunch of issues with

807
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: Travis's ex and with Matt there's no issues. So it's

808
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: like there's all kinds of shit going down, but what

809
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: you are realizing is it's messy. And I think that

810
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: I think Emily, like from somebody who I talk to

811
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: every week on this podcast for over an hour, I

812
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: think Emily is an asshole, but in a loving asshole.

813
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: I think she's strong. I don't I think she's outspoken.

814
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if she's an asshole maybe I don't.

815
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: Like I think she's an asshole in the way that

816
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: like she's not going to sugarcoat something to make you

817
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: feel better. But if you actually looked at her and

818
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 2: said like, hey, I need you for a second, she

819
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: would be there for you.

820
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: Yes, I well, look, people have different communication styles and

821
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 3: different personalities, so she's someone that will really be there

822
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: for you when the chips are down.

823
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: But imagine if that person. So imagine you're with Renna.

824
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 3: And who has been called an asshole, not by me,

825
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: but yeah.

826
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: But you're with Renna, and all of a sudden, you

827
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: hear Renna's talking shit about you behind your back. Yeah,

828
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 2: saying that you're the biggest asshole you've.

829
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 3: That would hurt my feelings, right, Yeah, for sure. It's

830
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 3: impossible to not to not feel something, of course, And if.

831
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: Randa wanted to call you an asshole, she should call

832
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: it you to your face.

833
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 3: She would and she has, yes, she has. She's I

834
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: feel like, what.

835
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 2: Are we two seasons ago? You were an asshole one night?

836
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: Oh not one night every night?

837
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: Whatever. I'm so sad I missed that shit. I would

838
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: have been so happy during.

839
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 3: Somebody said, you know, I really enjoyed you during that time.

840
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: I was like, how Because I asked out of myself

841
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 3: every day and night.

842
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: I would have fucking loved it. And you know, well,

843
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: I don't care about people getting manicure pedicures together. Don't care?

844
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: Well, isn't that kind of a backdrop for the conversation.

845
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: So the conversation has to be more interesting than the

846
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 3: manicures and pedicures.

847
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: So it's about only fans.

848
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they wanted Jen to do an only fans

849
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: like in Big Bear when they.

850
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: Were would you suck my toe? If I put it

851
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: in pie.

852
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 3: No, ma'am.

853
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 2: Then we get Tamra and Shannon meet up. Tamra starts

854
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: off by saying she was hopeful that Shannon would be

855
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 2: the one to reach out and meet up. Shannon says

856
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: Tamara has been doing nothing but to faming her. Tamra

857
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: mocks Shannon says she didn't. Tamar asks if she doesn't

858
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: drink anymore, and Sannon says she has two drinks. Shannon

859
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: then says she has seen Tamar and compromising situations, and

860
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 2: then Tamar of course goes, have I drove my car

861
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: into your house? And then Shannon walks away from the table.

862
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 2: I need to dress something really quick. A couple people

863
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: have said the reason I no longer have Alexia on

864
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: this podcast is because Alexia comes for Tamra.

865
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: I don't think that's right.

866
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 2: And I'm here to tell you guys like I want opposing.

867
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 3: Views, Well, you can't have it all. Yes, you need

868
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: a co host or or someone that actually will say

869
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 3: how they truly feel. That's fine if she comes for

870
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 3: tamraa you didn't.

871
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 2: Like, it wasn't up to me. I also think that

872
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 2: there are moments, Yes, I will always the same way

873
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: when I recap Beverly Hills, I'm always going to see

874
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: a side of Erica that I love in Carabaa and

875
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: same with Tamra, and so yes there. Do I think

876
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: this dinner between Tamra and Shannon is good? Absolutely not.

877
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: But isn't Tama being Tamra? Isn't that what Tamara does?

878
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: Isn't Tamara giving us the fabulous Tamra judge right here?

879
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 3: When she says, have I drove my car into it?

880
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's it's so obvious.

881
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: It's it's very lay man, it's like, what the fact? Yeah,

882
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: But it also is shocking to me the amount of

883
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: people that are like, she's upset, like why wouldn't you

884
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 2: be there? And and then I try to put myself

885
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: in a in a situation and like, I'm I really

886
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: do sit there. And I'm not going to mention any names,

887
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: but during my three years on Beverly Hills, there was

888
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: somebody that would call me she may have had chardonnay

889
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 2: and kat and saig breath, garlic, breath, garlic, and it

890
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: was a lot of garlic and shun. It was a

891
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 2: lot of late night calls.

892
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: Did you really?

893
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: Oh my god? I never experienced so many of them, like, Hey.

894
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 3: We need to talk for a second, and what would

895
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: she talk to you about?

896
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: I'm curious what I needed to do the next day,

897
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: fucking kidding me? And yeah, and it was never good.

898
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: It was the right advice. But I could only imagine

899
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: fourteen years into those conversations.

900
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: I would be over it. Yeah, No, I would be

901
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 3: over it. I would be like, you know what, stop,

902
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: Like if we don't know what the fuck we should

903
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: be doing right now in the moment and how we

904
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: each feel independently of each other, stop, that's not what

905
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 3: the job is.

906
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's what we're ultimately seeing, whether

907
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: we want to say, whatever it is. I think what

908
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: we're seeing between Shannon and Tamra is they're just tired. Tired.

909
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're tired. I mean they're tired of each other

910
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 3: and probably tired of the show and probably tired, you

911
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: know at some point of the whole thing, you know,

912
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: it's a lot to do these shows, fourteen years of

913
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 3: a friendship with someone, they're not in the best place.

914
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 3: You get frustrated with people, you never know what's going

915
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: on in your own life, and then you know, he

916
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 3: just you say things like this. I mean, it was

917
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: a layup. Have I drove my car into a house?

918
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: Everybody loves that? Stop it. No, it's not nice. It's

919
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: very mean, but it's perfectly tamor and and kind of

920
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: fat the same.

921
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: And also, you kind of know when you decide to

922
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: go into the next season. You knew when you were

923
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 2: going into your worst season what was going to happen.

924
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: Listen, you weren't.

925
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: Like, oh, I hope nobody mentions.

926
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 3: It one trillion percent. You know you're going to get,

927
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: you know, cut into ribbons. And I'm quite sure Shannon

928
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: is a very smart woman. She knew sooner or later

929
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 3: somebody was going to make this remark. That doesn't make

930
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: it right, that doesn't make it hurt less. Let you

931
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 3: know it's coming.

932
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. So then Shannon tells their producer in the bathroom

933
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: that Tamar has done nothing but hurt her and spread

934
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: spread lives. Shannon says, this is a true example of

935
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: kicking someone when they're down. Then Shannon breaks the fourth

936
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: wall and she says, uh, you know, Tamar never disappoints

937
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: in that aspect. And I think this is where it

938
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: gets a little bit tricky. Do I think that this

939
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 2: was Tarmar's best moment in the entire world. Probably not,

940
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: but knowing Tamar and knowing the way that she handles

941
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: me when I do fucked up shit, it's the same way.

942
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 3: Is this her personality? This is heard through and through.

943
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I look, some people are comforters.

944
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 3: Some seple aren't.

945
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like some people are like, I got you, It's fine,

946
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: It wasn't that bad.

947
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 3: You know what. And that's how it is. And I'm

948
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 3: sure that Look, everybody's tired of everybody at this point.

949
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, at the end of the day, who would

950
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: you rather be friends with? Shannon or Tamara?

951
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: Are you? Because I know you? I've said allow to Tamra,

952
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 3: She's been very sweet to me. I think I've met

953
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 3: Shannon in a couple of times that she's also been nice,

954
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 3: maybe once or twice.

955
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe once or twice. And then Shannon comes back

956
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: to the table saying she has learned to step away

957
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 2: and take a breath when the situation calls for it.

958
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: She then tells Tama that John, issuing her her lawyer,

959
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 2: made a settlement offer today and she doesn't know him anything.

960
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: And then John said he won't accept one penny under

961
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: seventy five thousand dollars, he said. If she doesn't come

962
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 2: up with a payment plan, there finally.

963
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: A meaning, he an Alexis, Yeah, this is what I

964
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 3: this reps me a little bit. Well, it's strictly John

965
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: versus Shannon. It's not Alexis and John versus shit.

966
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: Well, then let's have John on the fucking chum.

967
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that would make the most sense, But that's

968
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 3: not the most exciting thing. The Alexis angle is much

969
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,959
Speaker 3: more exciting than the John thing. It's cool to keep John,

970
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 3: you know, back here threatening on the outside, right.

971
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: But then now we've got this backstory of there's this

972
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: video of allegedly Shannon nd or.

973
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: What is this video? Because they've made much mention of it,

974
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 3: and tell me what is this.

975
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: Except okay, so supposedly allegedly, there's this one part that,

976
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: like I think we were meant to almost forget or

977
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 2: not realize, where Katie he learns the information that John

978
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: Alexis Yeah, okay, that John Jansen has the information that

979
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 2: and a ring camera video of Shannon allegedly almost running

980
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: over his daughter. Hold us his daughter, I mean a

981
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: teenager or older. But the night.

982
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 3: Of the dy Okay.

983
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: But that's what brought it to light to the cameras

984
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: and now all of us are talking about it.

985
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: Right, So, but.

986
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: Where I kind of where I kind of lie with this, Like,

987
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not mad at Katie for bringing

988
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: it up. Clearly she's doing what she's got to do.

989
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: It's her first year. She's like, sure, you want me

990
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: to mention.

991
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: This as a job to do, which is give her opinion.

992
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, give her opinion. She heard it.

993
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 3: But I also like to be honest, if it wasn't

994
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 3: going to get Alexis told it so, if it was

995
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 3: going to remain private, then Alexis wouldn't have said anything.

996
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also Alexis, if you're going to be on

997
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: the show doing something, then maybe do something. Just did No,

998
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: But all she's doing is the same thing over and

999
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: over to make Shannon look like an asshole. And how

1000
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: great John Jansen is?

1001
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: Oh? I see that bugs me? Like, be great on

1002
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 3: your own You're what you're saying is, don't make that

1003
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 3: your storyline be your own. Cool, Yes, it's a part

1004
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 3: of your storyline, but then don't make that your only

1005
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 3: card to play.

1006
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,959
Speaker 2: And if and if that is your only card to play,

1007
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: then be the world's biggest asshole, be the world's biggest villain.

1008
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 3: Do you think she's a middle villain?

1009
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate a middle villain, like either be the

1010
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: biggest villain.

1011
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you are one of those people that's sick.

1012
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: I'm all or nothing.

1013
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 3: All in by Teddy millancap all in by. You can

1014
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: go to all in by Teddy dot com and then

1015
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: we can. But that is actually really what bothers me. Tamra,

1016
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 3: you know, ends multiple conversations by saying, you know, she'd

1017
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 3: have she'd like to have a party, and she would

1018
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 3: love for Shannon and Vicki to come. Okay, so why

1019
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 3: have Vicky come? Then?

1020
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 2: I think she was trying to make Shannon feel comfortable

1021
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: and so you can come if you want to bring Vicki.

1022
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: We're all good. All's fine. But like they had already

1023
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: had their situation where like the Trace Amigas was done, okay, okay,

1024
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: and I think that's okay. The way that Tamor ended

1025
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: Trace Amigas, I actually lived it, and I think it

1026
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: she did it the right way. She said, I don't

1027
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: feel comfortable with what we're doing right now. I work

1028
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 2: all these different jobs and now if you're not drinking.

1029
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: You just got this?

1030
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 3: Do you put it on hold? Yeah? I get it, like,

1031
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 3: let's hold, let's pause for a minute.

1032
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 2: Or do it on your own. But don't be mad

1033
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: at me.

1034
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: For it, right, I see?

1035
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: And but then she invited Vicky to this event, which unfortunately,

1036
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 2: I will also be at next week.

1037
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 3: You're going, oh my goodness, Wow.

1038
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: Can you believe I said yes to something.

1039
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: I'm kind of shocked. Don't we don't see you anywhere?

1040
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 2: I know, but I went to this. I did it

1041
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 2: for Tam.

1042
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 3: But oh my god, was it good?

1043
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I'm sure no matter what happens,

1044
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 2: I'll look like the world's biggest asshole.

1045
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 3: Oh you got in? Okay? Why don't we hope for

1046
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: the positive? Well, I mean we could, but we could

1047
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 3: just stay positive, stay positive?

1048
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: All right? Well, is there anything you want to tease

1049
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: us with?

1050
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 3: On you? Because well, on me personally. Yeah, you know,

1051
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 3: I'm out here performing. I've got some great things going on,

1052
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 3: and I'm really happy that you asked me to come

1053
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 3: on here. This is kind of fun. I'm excited to

1054
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: be here. This is a new thing for me. I've

1055
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 3: never done something like this. I'm usually singing and dancing

1056
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 3: and you know, acting a fool. But things are good.

1057
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 3: I feel good, probably for the first time in almost

1058
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 3: it'll be four years in November that I left home

1059
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 3: and uh separated, and the whole world, my whole world

1060
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 3: kind of blew up. But everything is much better and

1061
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 3: I am looking at life through a much better lens

1062
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 3: and I'm happy for that.

1063
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: And what would you say has and you can tell

1064
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 2: me to shut the fuck up, but like, what would

1065
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: you say has been the hardest part? And what would

1066
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: you say is like your biggest growth.

1067
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: The hardest part was having been accused of things that

1068
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 3: I did not do and having that repeated over and

1069
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 3: over to the world and asking and basically to a

1070
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 3: point of well, I begged before I yelled not to

1071
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: repeat those things because there were cases and my hands

1072
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 3: were tired and I couldn't talk about it and that

1073
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: would be solved in a court of law. The best

1074
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 3: part about it is I'm incredibly comfortable in my own skin.

1075
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 3: I have great confidence that was earned the super hard way,

1076
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 3: like I had confidence before, but I have this sort

1077
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 3: of new, I don't know, version of confidence. It just

1078
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 3: comes really from the gut. And I'm okay with that.

1079
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 3: I don't live with much regret because there's nothing you

1080
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 3: can do about it. All you can do is learn

1081
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 3: from things and go forward. And I'm excited for what's

1082
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 3: ahead of me. I know what's behind me, and I'm

1083
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 3: okay with that, and I think moving on. You know,

1084
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 3: it took a long time to really disconnect from my

1085
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 3: old life Tom and really just be to a place

1086
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Speaker 3: where it doesn't hurt anymore. And it does sometimes on days.

1087
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna sit here and say, like you know there, oh, no,

1088
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Speaker 3: all is great. There are days that that hurt and

1089
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Speaker 3: memories that you know still come. But for the most part,

1090
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Speaker 3: I'm I feel much better. Yeah, yeah, and I'm glad

1091
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Speaker 3: and I can see that in you. Thank you what

1092
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Speaker 3: like that. It's nice to be able to want to

1093
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 3: go have fun and want to live again and want

1094
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 3: to be with people and to go do things and

1095
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 3: not hide because for so many years, the last four

1096
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Speaker 3: years three and a half years, I felt like I

1097
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 3: needed to hide and I didn't feel comfortable and I

1098
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 3: felt very out of place and just it's wild. We'll

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Speaker 3: get into it some other day, though.

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Speaker 2: No, we definitely will talk about it. And thank you

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Speaker 2: guys for joining us. For another episode of Two Teas

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Speaker 2: in a Pot. And I'm so excited that somebody that

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00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: I truly care about and I think can add so

1104
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Speaker 2: much insight to all of the information is here with me.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Erica, Thank you Teddy.

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Speaker 2: This was fun and you'll be with us every week now,

1107
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Speaker 2: so get used to it.

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Speaker 3: Get used to it. It'll be fun. We'll have a

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Speaker 3: good time. Bye, bye, guys.