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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so

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Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Let's hear for our super producer,

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Speaker 1: mister Max Williams.

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Speaker 2: Has a has a uh huh.

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Speaker 1: Yes, zoom zoom zoom. That's mister Noel Brown. They call

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Speaker 1: me Ben bowling around this neck of the global woods.

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Speaker 2: Indeed they do. And boy, oh boy, do we have

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Speaker 2: a bit of a follow up for you today, also

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Speaker 2: from the mighty mental coffers of our research associate Exchurinair,

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Speaker 2: Jeff the G Train Bartlet, Jeff the g Sauce G

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Speaker 2: Love and Special Trained Sauce.

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Speaker 1: What is it?

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Speaker 2: Gene Factor Unit factor G is.

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Speaker 1: What is what Jeff has has chosen as his hallowed.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm making a bit out of it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's fantastic. We love Gene Unit.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't that fifty cents crew?

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Speaker 1: Gregorian? Yeah? G Unit is fifty cents crew of of old.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of fifty cent have you seen the new Happy

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Speaker 2: Gilmour movie?

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Speaker 1: I have not.

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Speaker 2: No, Yeah, it's some people are not super fond of it,

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Speaker 2: but it does have a pretty funny cameo from Eminem

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Speaker 2: who apparently introduced the world to fifty cent very well.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and if you have tuned into our earlier episode

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Speaker 1: this week, you know that we already had a very

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Speaker 1: strange exploration of the origin of the current calendar. The

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Speaker 1: Gregorian calendar. It's the one that everybody used, is for

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Speaker 1: international coordination. So if it's the reason someone can say

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Speaker 1: Wednesday in Kazakhstan and there still also be a Wednesday

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Speaker 1: in July in Kazakhstan, and someone in the US can

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Speaker 1: agree there is a July and there is a Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: But as we alluded to, the Gregorian calendar, despite being

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Speaker 1: the de facto world's calendar, is far from the only

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Speaker 1: calendar still in use. People are going to use the

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Speaker 1: Gregorian calendar for all kinds of things, but then for

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Speaker 1: all sorts of other reasons they may use other calendars.

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Speaker 1: And some of the most famous and well known alternate

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Speaker 1: calendars we could call them, come from religious beliefs. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we start with the Hebrew calendar.

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Speaker 2: We must. Both the Gregorian and the Hebrew calendar are

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Speaker 2: used in surprise, surprise, Israel, but secular activities and schedulings

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Speaker 2: are measured using the Gregorian calendar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this would be like your school holidays, your

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Speaker 1: business meetings, a lot of birthday celebrations, Grigorian calendar stuff. Festivals, however,

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Speaker 1: are determined by the Hebrew calendar, and there's usually going

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Speaker 1: to be a Jewish holiday every month in that calendar.

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Speaker 1: This calendar also determines the Torah portion of each Shabbat.

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Speaker 1: In addition, it's used to plan memorial services when a

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Speaker 1: loved one passes. The Hebrew calendar is heavily influenced by

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Speaker 1: the Jewish exile in Babylon in the sixth century BCE.

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Speaker 2: And just out of my own curiosity, I just want

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Speaker 2: to clarify that a Torah portion just refers to the

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Speaker 2: readings that are selected for those particular chabots.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, absolutely so. According to the Bible, there were

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Speaker 1: ten months of thirty days each before this exile. There

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Speaker 1: are only four months in the Bible a Ev which

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Speaker 1: means spring, Zev, Ethane, and.

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Speaker 2: Bull, which are like these are seasons. We still have these,

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Speaker 2: We just refer to them as seasons rather than months.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we know that calendar days in the Gregorian system

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Speaker 1: are measured differently than calendar days in the Hebrew system.

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Speaker 2: Correct. According to the Hebrew calendar sunsets starts the day.

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Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about this in the previous episode.

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Speaker 2: So soon as the sun sets on Friday evening, Shabat

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Speaker 1: And the Jewish calendar has its own system of months,

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Speaker 1: we don't need to list them all for you because

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Speaker 1: we will get in over our heads very quickly. We

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Speaker 1: say that with deep respect. So we do have the

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Speaker 1: entirety of the breakdown and the list and how it

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Speaker 1: coordinates with the Gregor calendar, how you'd interpret it through

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Speaker 1: the Gregorian system. But the thing you need to know

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Speaker 1: both of these calendars do constantly have to compare and

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Speaker 1: contrast them. The length of the months, for instance, chez

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Speaker 1: that are all meant to make sure Rashashana falls.

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Speaker 2: On the right day. Yeah, so they're using those high

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Speaker 2: And the problem, however, with you holding a strictly lunar

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Speaker 1: in relation to the season. So it's the same problem

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Speaker 1: we're only using a twelvemonth lunar calendar, the Hebrew calendar's

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Speaker 1: month of Nissan, which is supposed to occur in the spring,

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Speaker 1: would eventually fall back to the winter, the fall, and

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Speaker 1: something you want to avoid because most holidays and festivals

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Speaker 1: have traditionally been tied to the seasons as well as

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Speaker 1: to the dates during which they're celebrated. So if we

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Speaker 1: go to the fourth century, we meet a guy named

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Speaker 1: I Lelle the second who said he was going to

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Speaker 2: Yep, and he created a remedied a Jewish calendar in

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Speaker 2: which the month of Adar is repeated every third, sixth, eighth, eleventh, fourteenth, seventeenth,

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Speaker 2: and nineteenth year in a nineteen year cycle. These are

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Speaker 2: just words that I'm saying to you in order for

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Speaker 2: Passover to always occur during the month of Nissan, while

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Speaker 2: the Jewish New Year happens during the month of Tisstree.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did you hear me? Under my breath? They say,

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Speaker 2: Because we're here, We're there.

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Speaker 1: Someone said what about the twelfth and they were hellled

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Speaker 1: the second and said get him out of here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this does not sound like a fix to me.

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Speaker 1: That sounds absurd, But you nailed it absolutely when you said, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is because of the purpose of the calendar. All

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Speaker 1: these fixes are to ensure the correct commemoration celebration of

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Speaker 1: these holy days. Also, so that's why we have a blend.

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Speaker 1: And I love a blend.

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Speaker 2: Love a blend. No, No one more than Ben loves

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Speaker 2: a blend. No, what's your what's your favorite fabric blend?

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Speaker 2: I'm like a rayon cotton kind of guy myself.

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Speaker 1: I like that. I like a rayon cotton. Gosh, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, you're asking someone with synaesthesia. That's gonna take forever.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, get back to us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, let's get back to the calendar. So

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Speaker 1: point for this calendar. The year number on the Hebrew

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Speaker 2: Stop it. That's who it is that talk about arbitrary.

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Speaker 1: Well, it depends on how solid the calculations are and

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Speaker 1: how literally or figuratively we interpret the ages of people

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Speaker 2: So that we're talking about the ages of humans represented

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Speaker 2: have been, that just seems so odd to choose that metric.

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Speaker 1: You do have to choose something. Yeah, if you want

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? This doesn't necessarily mean the

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Speaker 1: universe overall has only existed for five seven hundred years

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Speaker 1: in change. Many people who practice Judaism, including Orthodox Jews,

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Speaker 2: He was still figuring it out.

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Speaker 1: There were still yet, they were still in the ideation brainstorming.

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Speaker 2: That is very true.

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Speaker 1: Ben right, that's not all right idea, But I the lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, God, God was a smart fellow. So

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Speaker 2: that operates in three major forms, all in parallel, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly so. Again we see this hybrid approach for

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Speaker 1: based on the motion of the moon.

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Speaker 2: Correct, the lunar year is made up of three hundred

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Speaker 2: sixty five and a quarter days in the Gregorian calendar,

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Speaker 2: three years. So for that very reason, the Hindu lunar

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Speaker 2: every three years called adik Adik. During that month, very

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Speaker 2: important religious events and going z ons like weddings are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and think about that too practical terms, Right,

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Speaker 1: how are you going to celebrate your first few wedding

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Speaker 1: anniversaries when the month you were married in doesn't exist?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tricky one.

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Speaker 1: It's a tough one, right, More vibe based.

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Speaker 1: It also shows us an interesting difference in approach. Whereas

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Speaker 1: Western clindrical systems tried to minimize discrepancies over time, you

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Speaker 1: could argue the Hindu lunar calendar accelerated the pattern of

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Speaker 1: discrepancy by building in a more frequent adjustment period. So

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Speaker 1: we're not saying one's better than the other. We're just

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Speaker 1: saying they never say that, right, They're approaching the same

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Speaker 1: by the way, folks, is so much more complex would

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Speaker 2: Well, the dragon doesn't give them right like he's got

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Speaker 1: Makes sense, it makes sense, and it's it's common. Uh.

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Speaker 1: let's go back to this idea of observing the rise

436
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Speaker 1: of the new moon. This is a bit of a

437
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: bag of badgers. There's a bit of a pickle because

438
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: you are required to cite that passage of the moon

439
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: with the unab did i. Each country makes its own observation,

440
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: and it gets tricky when you realize that the sun

441
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: sets later as you head farther west, and the conditions

442
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: might make the moon easier or harder to see in

443
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: one particular place instead of another. So the result can

444
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Speaker 1: be that two Muslim countries who are on the same

445
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: page about literally everything else, maybe in different months of

446
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: the calendar, at the same time.

447
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you lost me. Yeah, we you know, it

448
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: is that I like the setup of flexibility, but that

449
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: started to get.

450
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: You might win some, but you just have. So we

451
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: know that this is something that countries are actively putting

452
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: their heads around in the modern day because these kinds

453
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: of calendars, this kind of practice made a lot of

454
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: sense when the world was less connected. Right when you when.

455
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: It's true, when you got your own kind of bubble, right,

456
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: that's all really matter.

457
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: If you're living in Connecticut, you don't need to make

458
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: sure you're on the same page with Malaysia in the

459
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds, because you're never going to go to Malaysia.

460
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 2: Probably not. Probably are low. Chances are low.

461
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: Chances are low unless you're like a whaler America or

462
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: a teleporter or teleporter quite common in Connecticut in the

463
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Speaker 1: seventeen hunder.

464
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: Well, Connecticut Yankee. He kind of was a teleporter traveler.

465
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: Anyway, think about it. We're just saying, think about it.

466
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Speaker 1: So there are some signals that different countries practicing the

467
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: Islamic calendar may start using calculations instead of observations with

468
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: the unaided eye, but not everyone's agreed on the best

469
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: way to do that, and not everyone's agreed that they

470
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Speaker 1: actually want to do that.

471
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Speaker 2: And you'll also probably remember when we were in Cutter

472
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Speaker 2: we visited the Museum of Islamic Culture and some of

473
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Speaker 2: the most incredible, like illuminated texts I've ever seen. Just

474
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: think that the script that is used, of course is gorgeous,

475
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 2: and the calligraphy and all of that. But there were

476
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: also a lot of exhibits regarding astronomy.

477
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent. And we owe the scientists and

478
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: the scholars of that period, especially in the days of

479
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: the automance, we owe them a.

480
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: Great deal, for sure, no question about it. We could

481
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: go on about the Islamic calendar, and we have, but

482
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: for the purposes of time, we're going to move on

483
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: to the international fixed calendar. This one is one that

484
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: I honestly was not aware of, at least in these terms.

485
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's kind of like how Esperanto is the universal

486
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: language that no one speaks. So we have tried to

487
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: fix the calendar. The fixed calendar is an alternative system

488
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Speaker 1: for keeping time. And here's our pitch. Every month has

489
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: exactly twenty eight days. Okay, no extra log or extra

490
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: short months.

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Speaker 2: Twenty eight days. That's so all you get.

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Speaker 1: The idea here is consistency. Every month also has four

493
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Speaker 1: weeks that always begin on a Sunday the first and

494
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: end on Saturday, the twenty eighth. Every month's days are

495
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Speaker 1: the same number. Every single seventeenth is a Tuesday. The

496
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: first Friday of the month is always the sixth.

497
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Speaker 2: Now, okay, I don't mind this so far. Is there

498
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: any reason it didn't take off? Because it seems that

499
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: it would make scheduling and planning kind of a breeze

500
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Speaker 2: from mine. I do have a twist for you, okay.

501
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: Of course, Max Shoes, I will.

502
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: Say, like, I'm pretty sure this is the same one

503
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: I wrote about this one in the Leapier episode where

504
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: it's like this guy and he's just like very angry

505
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 3: about this thing, and everything I read about him was

506
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: him just angry about the Greg Gorning calendar. So I

507
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: was like, I'm gonna stick with Greg Goring calendar out

508
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 3: of spite to this guy.

509
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's keep you going. Here's the twist. Here's

510
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: the twist. So far, so good, it says our compatriot nol.

511
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: The issue is twenty eight days in each month. That's

512
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: more fair to the individual months. It only adds up

513
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: to three hundred and thirty six days total in the year.

514
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: Damn.

515
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: So to fix the fixed calendar you have to add

516
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: a new thirteenth month between June and July.

517
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: So it's not fixed at all. I mean, I think

518
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: in the context of the title, wouldn't fix refer to

519
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: like being immovable rather than like repaired?

520
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: Right, right? Right? Well, I think maybe in both senses

521
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: is the ambition. But they added that month between June

522
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: and July, which throws our whole summer baby thing way off.

523
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: You have soul sweet summer child right to represent the summer,

524
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: so like the old word for the sun. So now

525
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: that we have this extra month, the total goes to

526
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Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty four. We only have one day still,

527
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: one short leftover. It's always the one day, right, And

528
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: so here's what the fixed calendar says. They say, Look

529
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: forget it, guys, school's out once a year. We're just whatever.

530
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: We'll call it a celebration day. It's after Saturday.

531
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Speaker 2: That's fun.

532
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: It's after Saturday's December twenty eighth, because remember all months

533
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: or twenty eight now, but both.

534
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: Swimming will wear party hats. I think pink lemonade, pint

535
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: grown tights.

536
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: Yes, the rise of cloud bits will have you know,

537
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: we'll have bingo, We'll have the file Day. You know, Yeah,

538
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: we'll have a field Day. It is literally a celebration

539
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: that occurs after the last official day of the year,

540
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: but before the beginning official day of the next year, Sunday,

541
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: January first, and they call it year Day.

542
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: I think I'm into this still. I think I'm on

543
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: board with the International Fixed Calendar.

544
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: Because of your day, because there's a party. Is that, yes, yes,

545
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: your day.

546
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: It sounds like a hoot. It sounds like a hoot.

547
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: I'm just being contrarian.

548
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 3: I like my calendar being confusing. I like my calendar

549
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 3: being extra I watch to be challenge.

550
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: Some I'm being positively contrarian. Death I thing.

551
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: I like. It reminds me of the kind of logic

552
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: in some of my favorite young adult books, Sideways Stories

553
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: from which it was Sideway Stories from Wayside high Wayside

554
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: for sure.

555
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah remember those This stuff was all wacky wayside high.

556
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: Right sometimes took a dark turn. That's kind of what's

557
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: happening with your day because the day falls on December

558
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: twenty ninth, logically, but the calendar's official line is it

559
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: falls on no day.

560
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: Of the week. It's just saying school not even high.

561
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: It was just Wayside School by Lewis Sacker. I remember

562
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: that book from the Book Fair. There's like a creepy,

563
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: witchy looking teacher with like elf ears on the front.

564
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a there's a story in the school that

565
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. This was cool because this was a sleeper

566
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: hit right up there with scary stories to tell in the.

567
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: Dark bro book Fair books when a kid were a mad,

568
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: like irresponsibly dark.

569
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Speaker 1: I loved it.

570
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: I think it wrecked us in some ways. Scary stories

571
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: of telling the dark. Illustrations alone, which were pretty beautifully

572
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 2: captured in that Guillemo del Toro produced. Yeah, adaptation which

573
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: wasn't like great, but like I thought, they did a

574
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: cool job of translating those freaky drawings into you know,

575
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: character design. But yeah, that book messed me up.

576
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: Man, I loved it.

577
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: It probably did affect the way there then her head

578
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: fell off.

579
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, the worms crawled in, the worms crawled out. Yeah,

580
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: Oh I love it.

581
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: They played pein what even his pe knuckle?

582
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: It's a card game also like winks, It's just it's

583
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: a card game that I really don't want us to

584
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: have to try to get into explain it Is it

585
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: like pog It's like pog. Okay, I'm played up the

586
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: definition from Britannica. It's like a trick taking ace ten

587
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: card game for the forty eight card deck. It's derived

588
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: from the card game busique.

589
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: Oh yes, of course, bisique h with Middle Eastern roots.

590
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: It's the wait I thought you would be sarcastic. Oh

591
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: you know, phsique? Is it not?

592
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: I think it seems like it would. It's I don't know,

593
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 2: it seems like it would be an ancient card game.

594
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I'm derailing us.

595
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: We're derailing, derailing all the way to a close. We

596
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 2: got a episode. I think I think that's time we

597
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: got to.

598
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: Get back on the rails here. This newly proposed fixed

599
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: calendar is meant to overcome a lot of the challenges

600
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier. The advantages are obvious, but it

601
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: has not been adopted because of kind of a time

602
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: measurement version of path dependence. People are just really committed

603
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: to the existing calendars they practice, regardless of how imperfect

604
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: those may be.

605
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, brand loyalty, you know, I mean, if I can

606
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 3: jump in here, this is this is my honest thick

607
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 3: actually is a greg Woring calendar is not very far off.

608
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: I think it's the year's like forty nine one hundred

609
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: is when we'll actually have to make an adjustment for

610
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: the first time. But the other one is it feels

611
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: like it might be one of these things where it's

612
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: gonna cost more pain to instituted in.

613
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 2: Right, then, just keep with what we got.

614
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, We've seen it in so many other industries and fields.

615
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: You know. Honestly, it's the reason Japan still uses fax

616
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: machines all the time because we already have the fax machines, right,

617
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: so how much will it cost to replace them?

618
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: You know?

619
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: Or maybe Big Calendar is entering the fray. Maybe they

620
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: just don't want things to change. Or Noel, I'm going

621
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: to say it. Maybe Max is anti year day.

622
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: Hey, Max is anti fun and Max's anti birthday.

623
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: Your day is like one of the best holidays. We

624
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: could get Hawaiian shirts that say no day of the week.

625
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: You know.

626
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: Uh, I don't know why your day seems Hawaii thing

627
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: to me. At this point, I'm spitballing. We'll figure out

628
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: your day. Tell us how you want to celebrate it.

629
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: We are going to wrap up by telling you that.

630
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: There have, of course been multiple other less successful attempts

631
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: at calendars. One of my favorite, of course is the

632
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: Jucha calendar of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea DPRK.

633
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: Street named North Korea and got their own calendar.

634
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, go weird different calendar, and weird is the

635
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: wrong word. These are all very much tied to culture

636
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 2: and tradition and myth making and all of that. It's

637
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: a complex cosmic gumbo that yields all these fascinating different calendars.

638
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, we used to say that on set. It's kind

639
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: of a cosmic gumbo. We did. We know that there

640
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: are some calendars that were very much motivated by political changes.

641
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: The French Republican calendar the Soviet calendar both purposely created

642
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: to move society away from the influence of monarchs and religion,

643
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: and the Soviet calendar to expressly make where output levels

644
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: were high. That's that's how that's how they got to

645
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: get a good yield. You got to get a good yield.

646
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: There are so many other things we could talk about.

647
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: I'd love maybe to do a history in the future

648
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: about the various self created calendars occult leaders.

649
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: Why not they don't take great. Yeah, but did Apple

650
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: White have a calendar?

651
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: He had a calendar with an end date.

652
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: The Heaven's Gate guy, yeah, the bald guy in the sky. Yeah. No, No,

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Speaker 2: this is interesting, Ben, It's not occurred to me. I

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Speaker 2: would love to go into this sometime, maybe on stuff

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Speaker 2: they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good, we'll see. We'll check what day it is.

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Speaker 4: And as we're gearing up to celebrate our first year

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Speaker 4: day together, I just love the name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm all for it. Sign me up for the

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Speaker 2: International Fixed Calendar.

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Speaker 1: And please site us up as some of your biggest fans,

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Speaker 1: ridiculous historians. Thank you so much for tuning in and

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Speaker 1: supporting the show. Big shout out to our super producer,

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Speaker 1: mister Max Williams. Big shout out to Jeff Factor, G Bartlett,

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Speaker 1: our research associate, and of course, our guy who created

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Speaker 1: his own calendar, Jonathan Strickland aka the Quister.

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Speaker 2: Every day is Jday Long, May he rain. We'll see

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Speaker 2: you next time, folks. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit

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