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Speaker 4: way up until the end of this hour nine am

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Speaker 4: Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. We addressed the massacre that

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Speaker 4: was the conclusion of the Western Conference Finals last night

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Speaker 4: in Oklahoma City, where the thunder took care of business,

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Speaker 4: to say the least, while eliminating the Timberwolves and going

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Speaker 4: on to the NBA Finals. So we'll find out whether

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Speaker 4: or not Indiana does the same thing coming up later

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Speaker 4: on tonight, and then you know, there's news and notes

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Speaker 4: from around the NFL. We discussed Stefan Diggs on a

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Speaker 4: to respond to that. We also, I thought it was AI.

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Speaker 4: Anytime I see something outrageous anymore, I'm like, I say, I, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you kind of have to do that now.

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Speaker 2: I did not think that was a real video, And

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 1: That's anything you like anytime anytime. Yes, humans aren't capable

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Speaker 2: This has to be artificial. You cannot be that stupid

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Speaker 2: to get caught on film with drugs and a plastic

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Speaker 2: baggie on a boat. Yeah, it's like so many but

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Speaker 2: I learned more and more about our society and our

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Speaker 1: I mean, it recalls into question though, how it was filmed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he would have done that and acted

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Speaker 1: whole time. This felt like a situation where you go

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Speaker 1: is probably taping some stuff for his own personal protection

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Speaker 1: or if anything gets damaged or if there's anything going on,

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Speaker 1: he has the ability to say, hey, I wasn't a

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Speaker 1: part of this. This is who was doing this. Here's

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Speaker 1: the proof. That would be my guess. But just every

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Speaker 1: that's humanity for you, man for wild, wild creatures.

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Speaker 4: I don't know who's I don't know who wrote the

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Speaker 4: video of Stefan Diggs and the three women he was

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Speaker 2: All four of those people are past their prime.

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Speaker 4: So even the women on the ark car catching strays

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Speaker 4: from people on social media.

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Speaker 2: Camera phones ruined everything. Man ruin everything.

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Speaker 4: Guy can't have a private moment with a little bit

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Speaker 2: He's not married. Let him live his life. Technology is

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Speaker 2: ruining everything because they can not only can you capture

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Speaker 2: and the fact that it has the information in it

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Speaker 2: he's going to deal with. Now, this is a I'm

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Speaker 2: think so it's a big enough that's a big enough

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Speaker 2: of fence because some TUSI yeah, bruh, yes.

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Speaker 1: Sir, Yeah, it falls into the player contact Paulicy, but

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Speaker 1: sure avoids guarantees all types of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that's this is uh, this could turn into

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Speaker 4: We just signed you to three years, let's make it five.

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Speaker 1: Let's dot coming from the guy who's got Narcos thee

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Speaker 2: May I Binge watched Choppo yesterday the last last three days.

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Speaker 1: It's like three seasons you been You've been getting deep

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Speaker 2: Var I know, man, what else you're you going to watch?

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Speaker 2: That game?

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Speaker 2: The game was overlast right?

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Speaker 1: Can I give you something not to watch that? It's

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Speaker 1: highly disturbing? Okay, well, you got bad Thoughts by Tom

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Speaker 1: It gets so weird, and I mean there's some parts

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Speaker 1: There's short episodes, but it is disturbing. I mean there

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Speaker 4: Can you give an example?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, absolutely not not no, no, no, absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: That's how it starts off.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's yeah, which is again there's humor mixed

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Speaker 1: I guess the way I put it, it gets really

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Speaker 1: I think he's hilarious. It's just that is that's over

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Speaker 2: I think I heard him on Rogan and the question

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Speaker 2: think he paid for it himself, though, didn't he? I? Oh,

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Speaker 4: So that being said, we bit Ado to the Western

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Speaker 4: a part of it. We transition over to some NFL storylines.

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Speaker 4: There was that Seth Wickersham article that came out about

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Speaker 2: He had yet to.

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Speaker 4: Speak about the situation until he met with the media

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Speaker 5: I had a good visit at the other place Minnesota

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Speaker 5: So but something that keeps getting lost, something that keeps

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Speaker 2: Does your dad speak for you?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 5: I actually shut my dad down quite a bit. He

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Speaker 5: You know, he cares so much about about me and

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Speaker 4: Uh So, at least we know that the article is true,

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Speaker 1: I just yeah, I mean, how unrealistic is it for

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Speaker 2: I've been through the process.

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Speaker 1: There's different visits, there's different moments in time that you

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Speaker 1: have with teams where you think to yourself, Wow, I'd

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Speaker 2: I'd really like to play for that coach.

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Speaker 1: So it's not that hard when you hear his explanation

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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell. He's a great dude. I mean, you could

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Speaker 2: But I digress.

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Speaker 1: The point is I think sometimes you kind of get

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know if you guys feel the same way,

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Speaker 2: He'd probably fall in love with a lot of seams.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people.

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Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy said the same thing about Kevin O'Connell before

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Speaker 4: the draft, Like, I remember that story was out, And

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Speaker 4: also it's not like in any critique or criticism they

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Speaker 4: And what dad wouldn't want their son to be in

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Speaker 4: and there was a standing ovation in celebration that he

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Speaker 4: was in Pittsburgh and he was going to stay home

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Speaker 4: Dylan Gabriel and shud Or Sanders show some signs of

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Speaker 4: his dad would have concerns. Wouldn't you want your son

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Speaker 2: I think it's interesting how parents can be villainized at times.

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Speaker 2: You know, I look at this situation, this scenario, like

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Speaker 2: What if he was calling the shots, what if he

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Speaker 2: is he's a he's an astute businessman, has done very well.

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Speaker 2: I mean he did. He went beyond the call of

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Speaker 2: Good morning, what's up, guys? We're good.

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Speaker 4: So you did a little bit of a deep dive

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Speaker 6: there are little things that they've sort of drilled down on.

442
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 6: Body language is actually a big one, you know. And

443
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 6: and then like last year, you know, Caleb Williams hit

444
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 6: some some very real adversity and getting knocked around. He

445
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 6: sacked I think more than any quarterback in the NFL,

446
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 6: you know, and the team isn't very good. They fired

447
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 6: the OC and they fired the head coach, and so

448
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 6: body language actually became part of the education of Caleb

449
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,360
Speaker 6: Williams here where you know, Ben Johnson would show show

450
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 6: him tape and like, hey, like you got to be

451
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 6: quicker to get yourself up off the ground. Here, Like

452
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 6: everybody's paying attention to the way you're you're carrying yourself

453
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 6: and what you're and what you're doing out there, and

454
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 6: the way that you carry yourself is going to rub

455
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 6: off on the team. So there was that stuff. And

456
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 6: then there's a lot of the pre snap stuff, which

457
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 6: I think maybe coming from the offense that that that

458
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 6: he played in college and under Lincoln Riley, he had

459
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 6: a big learning curve there and so you know his

460
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 6: little things, Like one thing that was brought up to

461
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 6: me was like, you know, there there was a play

462
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 6: on the first play of a game where the motion

463
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,360
Speaker 6: was coming from the left and Caleb looked to the right.

464
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 6: You know, So it's cleaning up things like that that

465
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 6: you know, really kind of I think gives you command

466
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 6: and ownership of the offense, command and ownership of the team.

467
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 6: And that's you know what They're trying to help him

468
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 6: evolve into a an NFL quarterback obviously, you know, like

469
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 6: we'll see what that looks like when when when the

470
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 6: bullets are flying. But for right now, I think a

471
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 6: big piece of this has been you know, we need

472
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 6: to get you carrying yourself a little bit more like

473
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 6: an NFL quarterback shit.

474
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: Which is interesting that you'd think.

475
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: Again, I mean Lincoln Riley at some point, who's had

476
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: other number one overall draft picks and send guys to

477
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: the league, would be saying the same thing while.

478
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 2: He was at Oklahoma, even though he's young.

479
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 1: And then why was that southern cal I want to

480
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: switch gears a little bit though, ask you about what

481
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: we saw on Stefan Diggs. We know he's recovering from

482
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: the injury last year. But when a video like that

483
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: comes out and then Mike Rabel has to address it

484
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: and he's not at OTAs is there an element of

485
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 1: it when you look at it and say, like, hey,

486
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: that could fall into the player conduct? Paul say, I

487
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: that was deal structured like a three year deal, but

488
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: it's really a one year deal with I think twenty

489
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 1: six million guaranteed. Is there an element of hey, what

490
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: was that on the boat? Is this going to create

491
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: an investigation through the NFL? And maybe even what the

492
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: team's saying, like, okay, are we going to claw back

493
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: some of those guarantees within his deal?

494
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

495
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 6: So well, first of all, Brady, I had to I

496
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 6: had to google what pin cocaine is. So I now

497
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 6: I'm now more educated on that.

498
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 4: That's not a bit, that's that's not a big hit

499
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 4: in Nantucket.

500
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 6: I know a little bit more about two season. I

501
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 6: did thirty six, so let's just put.

502
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Speaker 4: It that way.

503
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: I just learned about it today, ab so I'm right

504
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 2: there with you.

505
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 6: So now I know a little bit more. So I

506
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 6: guess I guess it's an educational for me as well. Yeah,

507
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 6: I think you know, I mean I think there are

508
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 6: a couple a couple of elements to this. Like the

509
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 6: first thing is, yeah, the league's gonna the league's gonna

510
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 6: look into this. They look at all these things. And

511
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 6: when the league looks into anything that, you know that

512
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 6: like materially becomes a pain in the ass for the team.

513
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 6: The team doesn't want to deal with that. So that's

514
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 6: where you are as far as how this is going

515
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 6: to relate to his guarantees unless the league takes action.

516
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 6: And I have a hard time see where the league

517
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 6: would take action because it'd be hard to prove always

518
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 6: in the bag. I mean, the team would almost have

519
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 6: to act right away if it was going to avoid

520
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 6: his guarantees. In other words, like it's either you do

521
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 6: something right away and you take action on this is unacceptable.

522
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 6: You can't like wait too much and then decides it's unacceptable,

523
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 6: or you know, you wait for the league to do something,

524
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 6: and if the league doesn't do anything, well, then you

525
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,719
Speaker 6: can't really move on his guarantees. Now that said, like

526
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 6: you said, Brady, this is really just a one year deal.

527
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 6: The structure of the contract sets up so if they

528
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 6: want to walk away from it after a year, it's

529
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 6: gonna be very easy for them to do that. And

530
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 6: I do think it's interesting just because you know, I

531
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 6: think Mike and and and his his group, they've been

532
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 6: very intentional about the type of people that bring it in.

533
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 6: You know, like just about every free agent that they

534
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 6: brought in, including Diggs, there's somebody in the coaching staff

535
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 6: that had background and experience with that player, with the

536
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 6: exception of Milton Williams, who I think. You know, you

537
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 6: talk to anybody in Philadelphia and they'll tell you like

538
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 6: Milton Williams was like a plus character for them. So

539
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 6: outside of Diggs, there was a real emphasis on character

540
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 6: and what they were bringing into the building, and Diggs

541
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 6: was kind of their dice roll. And so like, you know,

542
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 6: I think Mike's very cognizant of you know, the other

543
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 6: players in the locker room are paying attention to what

544
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 6: we pay, who we pay, what we reward, and you know,

545
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 6: so this this happening this early isn't great for them,

546
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 6: you know. That said I would say with Diggs, like

547
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 6: and fairness to him, and I really like Steph. You know,

548
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 6: competitiveness has never been an issue with them. Work ethic

549
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 6: has never been an issue with them. He's generally well

550
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 6: liked and he's plastic quarterbacks, but like he's generally well

551
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 6: liked with the people around him, and so, you know,

552
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 6: I think that gives gets them a little bit of

553
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 6: rope here. But you know, certainly I don't think you

554
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 6: can have another situation like this and survive with your

555
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 6: Steph Diggs based on his age and the contract that

556
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 6: he's on and the fact that it's year one of

557
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 6: the program. What's ra able there?

558
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: Aby You talked about, you know, the quarterback like maturity

559
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: and understanding and development with Caleb Williams and what he

560
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: had to go through in Chicago his rookie season. We've

561
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: been having the ongoing debate about everything that's unfolding or

562
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 2: taking place in Cleveland. What is your now? Where we're

563
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: at now? You know, Flacco comes out, he says, listen,

564
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: I'm not here to be a role model. I'm here

565
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 2: to start. You'd have to assume Kenny Pickett wants to

566
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: be the starter and wants to compete for that. You

567
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: have four guys, You have four guys on the roster.

568
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just going to continue to continue to

569
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: ask the updates on how it's being viewed I did

570
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 2: see an article or two surface on now having the

571
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: conversation about there possibly being one of those guys that

572
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: can end up getting cut. What is the latest that

573
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: you're hearing on the developments there.

574
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Speaker 6: Well, let me start here. I love what Joe said

575
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 6: because it was so honest. I'm sure you guys can

576
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 6: relate to this as X players, right like where it's like, no,

577
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 6: my job is to win the starting job and play football.

578
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 6: You know, I'm not a babysitter. And you know, I

579
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 6: think there was a very there's there's honesty to that

580
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 6: because Joe is a good guy, you know what I mean. Like,

581
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 6: and I don't think Joe is going to do anything

582
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 6: to hurt Sha Door or Dylan Gabriel, And I think

583
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 6: if those guys ask him for help, he's going to

584
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 6: give it to him. But you know, I think there's

585
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 6: the reality of life in the NFL that goes along

586
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 6: with that. And you know the reality is, you know,

587
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 6: Joe Black was in position to try to win a

588
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 6: starting job and that's what he's going to do and

589
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 6: that's going to be his first priority of course. So

590
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 6: I really liked the way Joe answered that question because

591
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 6: it was like, you try to be a good person,

592
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 6: but you're here to compete as well, you know, I

593
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 6: think you know LeVar like I just I think they

594
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 6: just have to get to the competition a little quicker

595
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 6: than you normally would in a traditional position battle. And

596
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 6: I think that that means, like, can you get a

597
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 6: read by the tame time you break for summer in

598
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 6: the middle of June. Can you get to read on

599
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 6: on who the two or three guys are who legitimately

600
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 6: have a shot to win the job? Stay in the

601
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 6: middle of August. So that way, you know, when you

602
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,239
Speaker 6: get to camp and reps aret a premium and you

603
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 6: got to worry about the other ten guys in the

604
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 6: huddle two like that, those guys getting ready for the season.

605
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 6: You can have it at least narrowed down a little

606
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 6: bit where all right, like unless somebody really comes back

607
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 6: and is like a totally different guy at the end

608
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 6: of July than he was in the middle of June.

609
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 6: You know, we have an idea of where we're going,

610
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 6: you know, and then I think you kind of keep

611
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 6: chipping away at it and you go from there. And

612
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 6: I think one of the questions you got to answer

613
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 6: to guys, and this isn't one that, like you know,

614
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 6: is going to fill talk show segments or anything like that.

615
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 6: Like you got to determine whether one or both of

616
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 6: the rookies are ready to even be a backup, you know,

617
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 6: because if if you make the determination of Gabriel or

618
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 6: Sanders aren't prepared to be a backup, well, then does

619
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 6: that mean you have to keep both veterans in the roster.

620
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 6: Complicated situation overall, And that's without even getting into like

621
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 6: what happens when Deshaun Watson is cleared.

622
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Speaker 1: You know a lot of them, Albert, If you're a

623
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: betting man, who do you think gets cut? You think

624
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: they keep the rookies or you think they keep the veterans,

625
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: and let you know, whoever doesn't end up starting be

626
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: the backup.

627
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 6: I think there's a good chance that whoever. I think

628
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 6: there's a good chance whichever veteran doesn't win the job

629
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 6: gets cut or traded.

630
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: There's some people don't think that, but yeah, I think

631
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: the same thing.

632
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: I think there's a strong chance that Shador Sanders gets cut.

633
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: I mean, no, I don't. I don't continually, but I'm

634
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: putting it out there so that I can say I

635
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: told y'all when it happens. I'm not putting it out there.

636
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it. I'm not saying it because yeah,

637
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it because I want to get cut down,

638
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: stand on it, you know.

639
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 6: The you know, the weird thing is though, it's like,

640
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 6: unless you're going to keep four, if you do feel

641
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 6: like you have to keep the two veterans on the

642
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 6: roster to protect the team, right like, and.

643
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is. That's my reasoning. It's just

644
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: so we're clear on it, is that if you have

645
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: to decide to start Gabriel or Sanders, if that if

646
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: that's going to be your backup, then that says to me,

647
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: whoever it is that wins, it wins the job. Whether

648
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: it's Flacco or Picket, if they go down and Picket

649
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: or if if the two draft picks have to go

650
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: in Gabriel or Sanders, you're punting on your season, That's

651
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 2: what that's it. In the AFC North, you're punting on

652
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: your season if that's your backup going into the season.

653
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 6: And that's the hard place to be when you've got

654
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 6: a roster that's got veteran guys on it, and that's

655
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 6: not like it's not it's not. I like they've got

656
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 6: you know, Miles Garrett and Denzel Ward and guys that

657
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 6: you know, they they they they aren't at the stage

658
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 6: of their careers where it's like, yeah, like I'm willing

659
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Speaker 6: to throw the season over work for in the name

660
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Speaker 6: of pot and that's what I mean.

661
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Speaker 1: And it's a great point. But we haven't seen any

662
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: of them play, so it's like, I don't need to

663
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: see him play.

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Speaker 2: It's a third and four. It's a third and fifth

665
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: round draft pick, and if I'm looking at it, that's

666
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: from that perspective.

667
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson was a third round draft pick, right, But

668
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson was a third round draft pick and he

669
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: got drafted in a year where they signed Matt flinto

670
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: a deal and he went in in camp and he

671
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: looked great and he ends up being the starter.

672
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Speaker 2: So it's like, can we give them the opportunity to

673
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: plot the AFC North. It's not the North. NFC West

674
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: is really good this year. It's not the North. Q

675
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: it's not the North. I know the North better than you. Well,

676
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 2: you know that's fine. I grew up in it just

677
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: like you did. You could play in it. That's fine.

678
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: It is what it is.

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Speaker 6: It's not the North to me, the other weird kind

680
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 6: of dynamic here. Two guys is like a third round

681
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 6: pick generally is going to be we can agree on that, right,

682
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 6: like gonna make you generally are going to make the team.

683
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 6: Well what happens is you do or is better than

684
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 6: than than Dylan Gabriel and Camp, but still not good

685
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 6: enough to the pie the backup. Then are you talking

686
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 6: about like, are you talking about cutting Dylan Gabriel? Who

687
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 6: is your third round pick?

688
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: I mean it's just you're not going to cut a

689
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: third round pick.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's complicated every which way because of that and

691
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 6: the logistics of it. It's is so weird and different.

692
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: So if they're good enough to keep all of them

693
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Speaker 2: and you put one on your practice squad, that kid

694
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: is not going to stay on your practice squad. Somebody's

695
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: going to come graund he could though he could. I

696
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: don't see it. If you're going to go with four

697
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: guys and you're trying to hide one of those four,

698
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: which everybody knows the story on the fifth round draft pick,

699
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: you're not going to hide him on You're You're you're

700
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: your practice squad.

701
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: You have to look at it this way though, from

702
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks perspective. If you go sign with another team,

703
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: even though Cleveland's going to offer you the opportunity to

704
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: be on the practice squad, I'd assume you're looking at

705
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: it saying, Okay, does that give me the best chance

706
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: to go play even though I'm on their active roster

707
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: because they might be bringing you in as a three?

708
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: Are they really going to bring in a guy who

709
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: could make the roster as their backup?

710
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: Probably not have that bring you. Do you have that choice?

711
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: If a team comes in and that's the sign you do,

712
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: you say, no, I don't want to sign, I want

713
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: to stay here Prouse squad. You can stay that. Yes,

714
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: you can say that.

715
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: They can pay you what you what you'd make on

716
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: the normal active roster as being on the practice squad.

717
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: That is all doable and allowable.

718
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: And there's guys that I know that have been in

719
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: that situation that have stayed because they felt like it

720
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: was a better situation for them.

721
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 6: Happens all the time, right, right, it definitely exists, like that,

722
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 6: that exists, and like it's like and I think like

723
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 6: especially generally guys like that, right, I think to your point,

724
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 6: like are in the fringes of the league, and it's like,

725
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 6: what's going to give me the best chance to be

726
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 6: in the league two years from now. Is it going

727
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 6: to be going taking a swing in a place where

728
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 6: they don't know me, where they could get rid of

729
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 6: me just as easily in a week, or is it

730
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 6: going to or is it staying in the place where

731
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 6: they where they've been developing and they have some personal

732
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 6: investment in me, even if that isn't with an active

733
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 6: roster spot like that, I mean that that's definitely part

734
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 6: of the equation for those guys because again, like those

735
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 6: guys are on the fringes of the league, and you know,

736
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 6: it's it's it's it's it's almost weird that we're talking

737
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 6: about sure this way too, because like a fifth round

738
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 6: pick is not guaranteed. Now usually they do, but a

739
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 6: fifth round pick isn't guaranteed to make a roster, you know,

740
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 6: as a rookie, Like that's just and certainly doesn't have

741
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 6: anything guaranteed that that you know, Like, so I mean

742
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 6: these are generally guys that that that that I.

743
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: Mean are disposable.

744
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's really it's hard it's hard

745
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 6: to say whether or not a guy like that is

746
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 6: going to Some of them make it, but a lot

747
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 6: of them don't, you know, And that's and it's it's

748
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 6: just I can't remember a situation like this where we

749
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 6: had a guy who people were talking as if he

750
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 6: was going to be a top five pick and now

751
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 6: all of a sudden he's in that position where it's

752
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 6: like guy could be out of the league in a

753
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 6: year or two based on where he was drafted up.

754
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 4: You know, at least it's an organization that hasn't made

755
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 4: any weird decisions at the quarnerback position anytime.

756
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 2: So we got that going for us.

757
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 6: I mean taking Brandon Weed in at twenty eight years

758
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 6: old in the First.

759
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 4: Traveler, Okay, yeah, or there were the two hundred and

760
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 4: thirty million you gave to Yeah, they other stuff. Albert,

761
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 4: thanks so much, man, We appreciate it. Get him on

762
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 4: X at Albert Breer and we'll do it again next week.

763
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Speaker 6: I think that there is.

764
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 4: Albert Prier, Amazon NFL on Prime Insider, senior NFL reporter,

765
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 4: lead content strategist at the MMQB with us here on

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00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio up next.

767
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: So we will close up you did play in the North.

768
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: It was a hell of a comeback. By the way,

769
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: let me just state that I digress and there's that respect.

770
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: You did play in the North.

771
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: Well, I would also say this, the NFC West at

772
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: that time was arguably the best division in the NFL.

773
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: If you go back and look at those years.

774
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: That was the battles between Seattle and San Francisco, back

775
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: in the harball days.

776
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: Where they're rolling and so on.

777
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: It was I believe competitive too at that point in time.

778
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: So that was a really, really tough division.

779
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: I'm not going to bet you on that. I'm giving

780
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: you your propers. Your your comeback was strong. It was

781
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: a strong comeback because in my heart I wanted to

782
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: sit there and say, but I grew up in Pittsburgh,

783
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 2: but you grew up in Ohio, so you could have

784
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: you could have combat at me with where you grew up.

785
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: I had no I had no firepower against your comeback.

786
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: So those are what I used to call that. That

787
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 2: division is what I used to call the concussion division.

788
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: Black and Blake. Well, there's that.

789
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: But also you'd like that that's where you saw stars

790
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh yeah, now I remember what those games.

791
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: I was playing for keeps in AFC North Broh. They're

792
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: playing they still play for keeps in the AFC North Well.

793
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: Coming up next, we're going to play for keeps. It's

794
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: shaftovers right here, ONSR.

795
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,759
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Speaker 4: off the air.

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Speaker 3: These might smell a little fun, that sounds incredible, but

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Speaker 3: they're still good time to find out what's lack?

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00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 2: It's Lee's lap? Joe? All right?

814
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 4: D laugh?

815
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: What do we got, guys?

816
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 7: It's the hundredth edition of The Script's National Spelling Bee

817
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 7: being held in the DC area.

818
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: Are you guys gonna be tuning in for this?

819
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: No?

820
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 2: Well you're proud of the kids.

821
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: Though, proud of the kids, but not tuning in.

822
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, nine finalists to be competing tonight.

823
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: You can catch that. I'm sure you'll be hearing all

824
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: about it tomorrow. What is it?

825
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 7: The Script's National Spelling Bee. It's gonna be the one

826
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 7: hundredth edition of it. It's always fun time. I like

827
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 7: spelling bees. I like seeing if I can they show

828
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 7: you the word, but I like to see if.

829
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: I could, like spell the word out. Because you're generally

830
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: not as smart as they are, not even close, So

831
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: I won't be watching. But yeah, I wish them. I

832
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 2: wish them. I'll see the highlights, guys, I wish.

833
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 4: I would you hand them like a baseball and see

834
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 4: how they throw it.

835
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: That will determine their work. See how see how high

836
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: they can jump? God, good Lee? God, would you be

837
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 2: proud of Andrew? You know, competing?

838
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 7: Killing it in the Scripts National spelling bee.

839
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 4: No, no, no, get to the weight room, guys.

840
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 7: I wish I had an update for you from the

841
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 7: ditty trials or from what's going on in New Orleans

842
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 7: as we look for those uh two escape bees, Antoine

843
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 7: Massey and Derek Roves. They're still out there, still out there,

844
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 7: all right, twenty thousand dollars Ward, Let's go, baby.

845
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going with the one who who coordinated

846
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 2: this escape.

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00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 6: I'm not.

848
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: I'm not supporting. Why not, I'm not supporting any part

849
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Speaker 2: of this is a terrible one.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they'll be there could be people who get like

851
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Speaker 1: killed along the wig.

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00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: This is terrible. I don't know why you're joking for

853
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: them to get caught