Speaker 1: The problem with this podcast is you can't tell for
Speaker 1: good guys or bad guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I think that's great yea. And we don't
Speaker 2: leave people guessing. We don't need to know everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah we don't know what I mean, we don't need
Speaker 1: to know everything anything.
Speaker 2: I don't need to know anything.
Speaker 1: We don't unpack it on the car ride home.
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
Speaker 1: I find myself saying things on here sometimes where I'm like,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I do feel that, and that's funny, and
Speaker 1: that's good, that's okay.
Speaker 3: I erres racist, lay the money stuff I can't tell me.
Speaker 2: Don't say my ship is why? Because you sound crazy?
Speaker 1: Got the beat doing flips like Chappelle, lazy, Welcome Mama's
Speaker 1: and Gentiles. I like to another phenomenal episode my mama.
Speaker 4: Told me Yo the podcast where we dive deep deep
Speaker 4: into the pockets of black conspiracy there.
Speaker 1: And we don't prove ship nothing, not a goddamn thing.
Speaker 2: I seen that. I see that. That's a real song.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. You knew that.
Speaker 1: Come on, that's fire.
Speaker 2: You actually never heard that a long time.
Speaker 1: I'm weirdough whoa how's that feel?
Speaker 4: I mean, no, al cool, cool man, I ain't never
Speaker 4: been name dropped in the song.
Speaker 1: No oh I once. I think I think somebody said
Speaker 1: my name and I'm on one album. I'm Michael Christmas album.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, shut out, shout out, Michael christ
Speaker 4: It wasn't like a dis track though, right.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, it did. I was being funny
Speaker 1: and it did feel like when Dave Chappelle was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they always want me to be like you stepping some
Speaker 1: dud dudes flat, Yeah like that. It was like playing me,
Speaker 1: but it was I was the joke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, but not like you
Speaker 2: were being played. No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: It was a happy medium because.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, yeah, no, that's a flex. That's
Speaker 4: pretty pretty cool. I think I think everybody should celebrate
Speaker 4: anytime they end up on music.
Speaker 1: I worried that my first rap bar was gonna be
Speaker 1: like a derogatory thing and I would have to be
Speaker 1: mad at it. That was you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pick myself apart for
Speaker 1: your entertainment, so sure, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: like there's some similis and metaphors that could be made
Speaker 1: at my expense pretty easily. I got you, and that
Speaker 1: was what the worry was. But he didn't go like that.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, so you've both landed very nicely in your careers.
Speaker 1: Congratulations. Yeah you're gonna get one. I'm surprised you haven't
Speaker 1: got one yet. We all pray differently, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that differently. We can't. We just accept
Speaker 2: that you're differently differently. I like that no one ever
Speaker 2: says that. Nobody, No one says that. No, it could
Speaker 2: add a lot of wars. It got a lot of war.
Speaker 1: Hey, I just think it's different than you.
Speaker 2: We just pretty different. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I do consider myself a hero of this story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I said the thing that nobody else was brave
Speaker 4: enough to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, prey different. What if that ended wars? Right now?
Speaker 2: If they listen to this, just heard like, oh, very different,
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, we're gonna.
Speaker 1: Need a lot more people to find it. I don't
Speaker 1: think we have a huge other country following.
Speaker 2: Hey, sometimes you never know when something goes viral, bro
Speaker 2: I said that. I never know. Sometimes something wuld just
Speaker 2: be something that will just crossover and all of a
Speaker 2: sudden you're like, oh, now, all right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was just in Japan and somebody was like,
Speaker 1: I'm a big Mandal fan, and I was like and anything.
Speaker 1: I was like, you got fans of Japan? Yes?
Speaker 2: Four days later, four days later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, thanks for keeping in touch man.
Speaker 2: I was a fair modest man there. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah I didn't. I didn't. I didn't have fans at
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: It's like, in four days to text your number to
Speaker 1: other people.
Speaker 2: He's like, oh shit, he had.
Speaker 1: Me under the wrong name. I know that because I
Speaker 1: had him under the wrong name for a while. Did
Speaker 1: you to be fair? Yeah, I had him under this
Speaker 1: other guy's name. And the other guy text me and
Speaker 1: was like, hey, do you want to come through the
Speaker 1: show tonight? I was like, why it's bandaling Denver.
Speaker 4: Out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have one to start. Yeah, kick it off.
Speaker 1: I don't think Africa is gonna get its due until
Speaker 1: we re release these maps. Everybody always talks about how
Speaker 1: big it is. I ain't seen not one new map ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what I'm saying. Everybody's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: the maps are wrong. We all know it. You could
Speaker 1: fit three Canadas inside Africa. Blah blah blah blah, blah,
Speaker 1: not one new.
Speaker 5: Map you go to every squow everywhere, it's still the
Speaker 5: like like we're all just like acknowledging it and then
Speaker 5: refusing to do anything about it.
Speaker 4: They won't show us, show me the real version. Then
Speaker 4: I'm so sick of the old version.
Speaker 2: That is the thing. Think about it the way. So
Speaker 2: the thing is, Africa is bigger than what it is,
Speaker 2: way bigger. It's way bigger.
Speaker 4: Apparently is twice the size of I think South America
Speaker 4: or some ship.
Speaker 1: It's like crazy, Well, I don't.
Speaker 4: Whether when y'all get running water, you gotta stay focused issue.
Speaker 2: Coming out.
Speaker 1: But seriously, I've been people been telling me since I
Speaker 1: was a kid, right, and but not one that's like
Speaker 1: a thing that if that's understood, shouldn't that be immediately
Speaker 1: a reissue. It's such a I demand a recount.
Speaker 2: Do you say we all from Africa? We are?
Speaker 1: And I think that is maybe some of us more
Speaker 1: than there's right. I was just kidding.
Speaker 4: Strong enough the table, if I had the strength, this
Speaker 4: would be, this would be.
Speaker 2: That's sure, this would be where Luca comes from. Now
Speaker 2: it's a debating way my freedom in front of me.
Speaker 4: Now you're deciding my future. Maybe you're not better than
Speaker 4: the whites. Okay, maybe you're just the same as they are.
Speaker 1: He said it, he said it, he said the quiet.
Speaker 2: Part out loud. You heard him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a good time. But I do think that
Speaker 1: that's crazy. It's like it's no knowledge, everybody knows it,
Speaker 1: and then there's been no depths.
Speaker 2: I I change it. I agree.
Speaker 4: I think there's almost like this this this undermining of
Speaker 4: our intelligence in a way that feels like an attack
Speaker 4: on our person.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean, like Africa, they don't
Speaker 2: want us to know.
Speaker 4: But also now you're okay, yeah, you're even willing to
Speaker 4: show me that that that these things are true and
Speaker 4: you're still not going to do anything about it.
Speaker 1: That is the psychological war.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the crazy thing. We're just like they're just
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, yeah, we know, what are you gonna
Speaker 2: do about it?
Speaker 1: I like the map the way it is exactly. We
Speaker 1: like Europe to. We like Europe to look way bigger
Speaker 1: than it's supposed to be.
Speaker 4: I think Europe, Yeah, I think we made it as
Speaker 4: big as we like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how it feels, That's how it feels. And
Speaker 1: like I'll be honest, I got this because I watched
Speaker 1: the whiz Kid doc last night whatever that it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter where I got it from, right, Yeah, because they
Speaker 1: said that, yeah, and I was thinking about it. I
Speaker 1: was like, damn, that is true because then they also
Speaker 1: this guy also said in the wiz Kid doc. He
Speaker 1: was like, colonization means my people don't we don't dream
Speaker 1: in our own language, and it hurt my heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was like, I dream in English.
Speaker 2: And I was like, listen, I love that because when
Speaker 2: I found out all we were all from Africa was
Speaker 2: from Boys and the Hood an opening scene when well,
Speaker 2: but some people, Yeah, when he was teaching the class,
Speaker 2: he said, we all from Africa.
Speaker 1: But then some people would claim I ain't from Africa.
Speaker 1: I'm from krish Yeah. You African booty, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: Everybody scratches booty.
Speaker 2: Everybody scratches booty. Yeah, why did you see? I don't
Speaker 2: feel bad. Why did they have to be African?
Speaker 1: Because it flows so nicely, it feels like music, and
Speaker 1: and if you've never used it, if you've never had
Speaker 1: the pleasure, it's what a beautiful song it was.
Speaker 4: I understand we don't get to sing it anymore, but
Speaker 4: when I sang it oh did it sing?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Well, I guess today hails from Arizona.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, the fine state of Arizona. You haven't
Speaker 2: had anyone say that to me before.
Speaker 1: I and I stand on it. I've had times there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had times there too.
Speaker 1: Man, I've had weird times, but I've had some fun
Speaker 1: times there. Are you from Phoenix or Phoenix.
Speaker 2: Like outside of Phoenix, Okay, area called Mesa.
Speaker 1: Can I actually ask you an interesting question now that
Speaker 1: we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Hell Chappelle lazy sorry podcast year, I have a boy
Speaker 2: who is Oh, shout out to Aaron. He opened for you.
Speaker 1: Aaron, ye from Arizona.
Speaker 2: We we were, do you know what black Aaron?
Speaker 1: Yeah, black Aaron. Yes, of course. Okay, suffer Aaron, Aaron,
Speaker 1: we're from Arizona.
Speaker 2: That's a in Arizona. Take you directly to where we're from.
Speaker 1: It's the closest to our native climates. Uh. I Remember
Speaker 1: I was talking to him and he was telling me,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not framing this in a way that he
Speaker 1: would appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I'll throw it out.
Speaker 1: He was saying, it's a very common thing for black
Speaker 1: dudes in Arizona to have fucked some white guy's wife.
Speaker 1: Like he said, it really happens a lot, and I
Speaker 1: was like, that's crazy. Thoughts thoughts, no comment.
Speaker 2: I mean I think that's kind of like anywhere, you
Speaker 2: know anything, Yeah, because like I don't like there's times
Speaker 2: I've been at like I'm a flying nigga, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like I look good, bro, and I
Speaker 2: my little brother is a flipper. He gets it done.
Speaker 1: That changes a lot, you know.
Speaker 2: The thing is is like like and I think Aarry
Speaker 2: Spears talked about it in an interview too. There's something
Speaker 2: weird like at a meet and greet when like like
Speaker 2: a dude and his wife, oh yeah, you know, specifically
Speaker 2: a white couple when they walk up and then they're like,
Speaker 2: uh no, I know, just get a picture with her.
Speaker 2: And then like I want to take the picture, and
Speaker 2: then and then and then they're like, yo, fucking put
Speaker 2: your home around here. I'm like, yeah, like bro, wife,
Speaker 2: but they want me to like fucking and then she'll
Speaker 2: put her hand on my chest.
Speaker 1: She's so into it, and she's like cooking him in
Speaker 1: front of you. It's like she's like he doesn't need
Speaker 1: to be in the picture.
Speaker 2: Yes, And you're like, it's just like weird, and like
Speaker 2: the way they pose with me, it's like.
Speaker 4: So those ones that that they don't keep the husband out,
Speaker 4: but she like squeezes you too tight in the photo.
Speaker 4: Like it's like she's like trying to touch you in
Speaker 4: a way that isn't what we all agree is normal
Speaker 4: for everybody in.
Speaker 2: A round now an Aaron's standpoint, I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's like the cooking way or whatever. But also like
Speaker 2: I didn't grow up hooking up a lot.
Speaker 1: So like right, right, okay, so you missed out, So
Speaker 1: I missed out Like me either, I was not having
Speaker 1: as much sex.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so he was. He was probably you know,
Speaker 2: I say he did it, Yes, he said it was
Speaker 2: like but also I would be shocked. Everyone was mad. Weird, bro,
Speaker 2: it seems it's a weird. It's a weird place for like,
Speaker 2: I think, just anybody to grow up in.
Speaker 1: It seems. It also seems like I was talking to
Speaker 1: you about this when you were asking me about Desert
Speaker 1: Ridge improv where it's like the sexuality in the desert
Speaker 1: there's something about it that's weird, Like everybody's brain gets
Speaker 1: scrambled or something like it feels like there's so many
Speaker 1: couples where it's just like.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, in the Desert Ridge area, if you're in
Speaker 2: that area, yeah, yeah, and that's where it's because there's
Speaker 2: a there's like a there's like a milf bar where
Speaker 2: like you like, young guys go and older women go
Speaker 2: and they meet up to like fucking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not like a common for a bar.
Speaker 2: It's not we should get into it. It might be
Speaker 2: like Blue Martini or something like.
Speaker 1: That, ye strip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well when the how's it com Yeah yes,
Speaker 2: right over there there, yeah, and you don't know if
Speaker 2: I don't know, Blue Martin was like, hey, this is
Speaker 2: what we're doing, right, I think it just happened, and.
Speaker 1: She can keep she can move around here, you know.
Speaker 2: And with older women who isn't yeah right yeah, oh
Speaker 2: yeah yeah the older woman bro, it's like, uh because
Speaker 2: on the schedule and they're just like, yo, I need
Speaker 2: to hear it's not.
Speaker 1: No, it's very clear.
Speaker 2: I got to pick up my kids.
Speaker 1: Bro. When you're younger and you do it too, you
Speaker 1: feel like you're like you feel like you found a
Speaker 1: cheat code.
Speaker 2: Yeah almost, you know. Yeah, Yeah, I'm married now, Hell.
Speaker 4: Congrats, I forgot that we haven't addressed this at all
Speaker 4: on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, yeah, it's weird, but yeah it's not weird.
Speaker 1: Like she's the love of my life.
Speaker 2: I love it. Like, yeah, we're still having a big.
Speaker 1: Wedding, but they did like they did a small court
Speaker 1: nown wedding.
Speaker 2: Yeah hell yeah, yeah that's my favorite one comedians getting married, bro.
Speaker 1: Because it feels like he's not supposed to happen. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels like it's not It feels like it's not
Speaker 1: supposed to be that. Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Last long time. Now we're gonna find you love through
Speaker 1: this podcast. Yeah, we're gonna get you back to the
Speaker 1: Blue Martini.
Speaker 2: All right, it's.
Speaker 1: Chapelle.
Speaker 4: You You came with a conspiracy theory that I think
Speaker 4: is a little more layered than we're going to lay
Speaker 4: it out a lot.
Speaker 2: Of layers, a lot of layers, because it's like it's
Speaker 2: not just yeah.
Speaker 4: But but for the simplicity of getting the conversation started,
Speaker 4: you said, my mama told me.
Speaker 1: Sony kill Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: And my mom did say that, she said it for real.
Speaker 2: She didn't say that she probably thinking though.
Speaker 1: My mom, my mom would say that Tupac.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: My mom would always say Tupac still alive. She was
Speaker 1: a big one. I hated that one because I knew
Speaker 1: it wasn't. Yeah, but I felt there was something in
Speaker 1: my soul. But I get why people would think that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like almost like what do you call it?
Speaker 1: Materna be the word.
Speaker 2: I think there was something, there was something quality, quality
Speaker 2: that he had that like it was hard for people.
Speaker 1: We did see the footage of the fight before. No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4: I don't mean simply because of like his his choices
Speaker 4: day to day.
Speaker 2: I think just like I mean, Britain's got a baby, bro. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I remember that way. Everybody go, damn, I remember listen
Speaker 2: to that, you know what I mean. I'm not I
Speaker 2: keep mind.
Speaker 1: I think that's why we're all here together, because none
Speaker 1: of us are.
Speaker 2: We're not Brenda.
Speaker 1: And he did make it sound so cool in love
Speaker 1: with the molester that section are crazy. It's just like
Speaker 1: a good line.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah, yeah. I don't know if he
Speaker 2: had one twelve or Joasy whoever.
Speaker 1: I don't know who's saying. I think Joe.
Speaker 4: I want to say it was j Yeah, No, it
Speaker 4: might have been I don't think it kind of sounds
Speaker 4: like them though, but I don't think it was all.
Speaker 1: I don't think that was. That was how do you
Speaker 1: want it? Yeah, that was how do you want to see?
Speaker 2: Yeah, when Jos was like, we're gonna go to death
Speaker 2: Row or you know, it's Casey and Jojo, Casey and Jojo,
Speaker 2: Well do you realize they were with bad Boy and
Speaker 2: death Row? I I did you.
Speaker 1: Really realize that until you said it? But they could
Speaker 1: do anything. I do feel that about.
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1: Specifically Casey and Jojo? I think they they can do
Speaker 1: with them, all things are possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, but the driving force was uh DeVante? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: whoa it was Dave Hollister. No baby mama drama.
Speaker 1: No, Brenda's got a baby?
Speaker 2: No? But he you Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Cam stopped fronting on that.
Speaker 2: Dave Hollister too.
Speaker 1: Man, he's from Chicago, right, Uh is Dave?
Speaker 2: I think so?
Speaker 1: Also a fat guy? Right? Definitely not you got it
Speaker 1: if you like, if you like Chicago. That's just what
Speaker 1: I knew most about him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you are listing other Drakes that I wasn't immediately
Speaker 6: associating with Dave Holliser, But absolutely fat was the.
Speaker 1: One that I didn't know he was from his hometown though. Yep, damn,
Speaker 1: that's not great.
Speaker 2: That's I'm not proud of. I know Jimmy Eat World
Speaker 2: is from Mesa. Come on, I know where they are,
Speaker 2: I know where they're located, I know everything we are
Speaker 2: all growing in.
Speaker 1: I like the way that you said Jimmy Eat World.
Speaker 1: You said Jimmy eat World, which is how I read it.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah accent, yea, exactly. Some that's just a more
Speaker 1: sophisticated way to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the reason why, yeh, the you know, the
Speaker 2: conspiracy on this, Like there's just something with the music
Speaker 2: industry that just seems so devilish to me. So it's
Speaker 2: not just it's not just Michael, but like obviously, like
Speaker 2: that's like one of the bigger things. And just the
Speaker 2: way you hear an artist talk about like the music industry,
Speaker 2: and like, I mean, Michael was very outspoken about things
Speaker 2: with Sony. Uh there's that one video where he was
Speaker 2: somewhere I don't know if it was like award show
Speaker 2: or something. He was speaking at it. Uh, and uh
Speaker 2: there's a he's holding up a sign that says Sony
Speaker 2: kills or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought that was
Speaker 2: photoshop no, no, And then yeah, but there's this thing
Speaker 2: about it because and you know, Michael was like I mean,
Speaker 2: Michael was trying to do his thing. He was trying
Speaker 2: to own ship. You know, he's good. I think Michael
Speaker 2: looked at things like, well, why can't I own that too?
Speaker 1: He bought the beat.
Speaker 2: Beatles catalog, but like like but it wasn't just like
Speaker 2: the Beatles that he had, Like he had Sony ATV
Speaker 2: or whatever the termins whatever, but he had like, you know,
Speaker 2: a percentage of Sony that I think Sony was like
Speaker 2: damn bro, like he got us like we need this
Speaker 2: shit back, you know what I mean? And like I think,
Speaker 2: you know, I think there's things that were pushed out
Speaker 2: to like kind of like come at Michael, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? You know yeah, I think I think
Speaker 2: also like the album he recorded in two thousand and one, Invincible,
Speaker 2: the album, which is a great album, and everyone's like
Speaker 2: this is such an underrated album because like Sony didn't
Speaker 2: not help him on the rollout with it. They weren't.
Speaker 2: They weren't like they didn't do anything for him on it.
Speaker 4: I will say that by that point in his career,
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson releasing felt uneventful in a way that it
Speaker 4: had never existed before that. Like everything before that, you
Speaker 4: were like, god, damn, Michael Jackson came out.
Speaker 2: Remember, yeah, suddenly this album. It was like when Michael
Speaker 2: Jackson dropped anything. It was like everybody rushed home. We're
Speaker 2: gonna like, look at this on the TV.
Speaker 1: Remember the time on Fox?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 1: Yeah I remember, I remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember who was doing that. Bro.
Speaker 1: It was huge and then it started and you were
Speaker 1: like Magic Johnson and Eddie Burphy.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Now now if I'm playing Devil's Advocate, there is any.
Speaker 2: Bring up the Lion kids. Oh they're still pretty sad.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's give.
Speaker 4: Him a couple more years, because I think they're gonna
Speaker 4: start smiling soon.
Speaker 1: I think the kids may have.
Speaker 4: Soured a public sort of like taste on him. But
Speaker 4: I also think, if again I'm playing conspiracy.
Speaker 2: Games, yeah, I mean that's what I love about this conversation.
Speaker 4: That is also a strategy that I a conspiracy theorist,
Speaker 4: might argue, Sony, activated.
Speaker 1: Do we think and this is this is truly like
Speaker 1: a question for everyone. His reputation was already changing before
Speaker 1: the kid accusation, the wacko jacko and the changing his hair,
Speaker 1: his skin and puling babies outside of windows.
Speaker 7: That was way later. I don't want to scary babies.
Speaker 7: He's justin Arry. Thought of you being out that scars.
Speaker 7: But you gotta do that with the world. This is
Speaker 7: how you become strong. But like, I think that two things.
Speaker 7: He's a weird guy.
Speaker 2: Man, he was a weird, weird weird which would listen,
Speaker 2: which is fair to say. I think it's very fair
Speaker 2: to say, like, And I think that's why it was
Speaker 2: easy to like pinpoint, like to do these certain things
Speaker 2: to him, Like it's I mean, the wacko jacko, like
Speaker 2: the change of the skin tone, all that stuff. But
Speaker 2: like obviously we know, like we all know where he
Speaker 2: comes from, right, he comes from Gary, Indiana hood, but
Speaker 2: like not even just Gary, Indiana, Like he didn't like
Speaker 2: he didn't even have to deal with the hood.
Speaker 1: He had to deal with Joseph. That's the biggest going
Speaker 1: maybe the hood in Cardiff.
Speaker 2: Bout it bro.
Speaker 4: He had every version of the experience he was he was,
Speaker 4: he had no hope and then he had the most hope.
Speaker 4: The most hope in in a fucking boy's lifetime.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, just said.
Speaker 4: Eight years, that's all it took for him to go
Speaker 4: from absolutely nothing to to heaven.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the scale of that, when you say it like that,
Speaker 1: I never thought about it, because the scale of that
Speaker 1: is like where do you where do you continue to
Speaker 1: go with the life that's on that trajectory?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean by the time he was in his mid twenties,
Speaker 1: he probably truly did not remember being poor like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was never poor.
Speaker 2: He was rich longer than he was poor. Bro.
Speaker 4: That's why he had to make himself look like a
Speaker 4: kitty cat.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 8: You conna just say no, no, no. That's why he
Speaker 8: had to make himself look like a leathery kitty cat
Speaker 8: is because he couldn't. He's like, I look in the
Speaker 8: mirror and that is not me anymore.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 4: I've ascended beyond the life that I once had. I
Speaker 4: can't look at this working class as face that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, there's so much mental that like
Speaker 2: he dealt with. There's there's so much questioning and things
Speaker 2: that are running in his head. Would mean there's just
Speaker 2: no there's just no way he could have like and
Speaker 2: also if he came out normal, I don't think we
Speaker 2: would have had had Like there's because there's a level
Speaker 2: of your brain where like you're so like mentally, like
Speaker 2: you know, there's just like these things that you just
Speaker 2: hear whatever.
Speaker 4: But to your point, heal the world is a psychopath
Speaker 4: song in anybody else's hands.
Speaker 1: They're all psychopaths song. Yeah, it's just he are you okay?
Speaker 1: What the is he? He's he past words, he grew
Speaker 1: you know, it's just saying stuff because he.
Speaker 2: Could and we all were like that ship type because
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like it was it was
Speaker 2: I mean just to get We're like, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: I kind of understand his brain and like like where
Speaker 2: you like mentally, my more search is mature, bro, give
Speaker 2: me the mature I sweek the other way, Give me that,
Speaker 2: give me victim, give me that wrinkle.
Speaker 1: My problem is they're too old basically for what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to do.
Speaker 2: You know I'm talking about in the sense of like
Speaker 2: like because I grew up in abusive stepfather, right, he
Speaker 2: want to know Joe Jackson, I'm like, damn, bro.
Speaker 9: No, you don't do this. It's like you got a
Speaker 9: bad one too, and you me walk you do. You're like,
Speaker 9: maybe you should have turned up a little bit.
Speaker 2: But that psychological like and the way it fucks with you. Now,
Speaker 2: I can only imagine what it's like to not have
Speaker 2: your childhood as well, right because I still had a childhood.
Speaker 2: I'm still outside of skateboarding. I'm geting stocked up a
Speaker 2: time or two. But I'm like, all right, man, I
Speaker 2: got my skateboard, you know what I mean. But like
Speaker 2: he he was just go, go, go, entertaining, entertaining, entertaining.
Speaker 4: And he lost his childhood to a man who aspired
Speaker 4: to the dream that he is beating into them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was it was that was Joe's dream he
Speaker 1: was a musician. Which that's kind of kind of hurt too.
Speaker 4: I think that's why that's why you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't mean to not villainize Joe Jackson,
Speaker 1: but it does kind of be like, Bro, that's gotta
Speaker 1: be a crazy head fuck too.
Speaker 2: The idea that.
Speaker 1: Like you, you still wanted it, Bro, the whole time,
Speaker 1: you still wanted it.
Speaker 2: The fact that you said that, like, like, that's all
Speaker 2: I think about it with my stepfather, like me and
Speaker 2: my stuff that we cool, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: because I learned a lot about man. Then I learned
Speaker 2: a lot about him. I learned that, Like I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: he went through like kind of the same ship. He
Speaker 2: was kind of doing what he was young when he
Speaker 2: came my life. He was only he was only seventeen,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like so it's like
Speaker 2: they're like, what did he really know? He didn't know anything,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So he just he just
Speaker 2: knew what what happened to him. So it's like I
Speaker 2: think he was just like, oh, I think this is
Speaker 2: how you do it. You know what, I'll do that
Speaker 2: too much. Stop talking boy, Stop talking the boy. What
Speaker 2: are you doing? Get out? Get out of that Fred
Speaker 2: go to school. Yeah, nigga.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like like you think, I think to some extent
Speaker 4: you've it sounds like you found at least an empathy
Speaker 4: for that person. I think we I think we could
Speaker 4: always be moving with that empathy and still be acknowledging like, Bro,
Speaker 4: you were.
Speaker 1: A bad guy. You were fucking.
Speaker 4: And that sucks that you had to grow through that
Speaker 4: and and find yourself there. But end of the day,
Speaker 4: Joe Jackson can be an empathetic figure and a bad dude.
Speaker 2: And I wonder I wonder if they eventually got to
Speaker 2: the point, uh, like his children eventually got to the
Speaker 2: point where they had the empathy for him, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I don't know, I don't you know,
Speaker 2: but like it seems that I have like a very
Speaker 2: very soft spot spot for like the Jackson's in general.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean it does seem like it's
Speaker 1: just like their trauma cases, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one idiots, And then you just had
Speaker 2: to entertain bro and yeah, it was like dance dance.
Speaker 1: Even Jermaine. You you look at Jermaine and you.
Speaker 2: Go, a, we all is the hair. We can all agree.
Speaker 4: We can all agree that wouldn't Joseph Joseph a beat
Speaker 4: that into.
Speaker 1: You know what that was Jermaine. You know what's crazy
Speaker 1: is Jermaine is I don't think he was an early
Speaker 1: standout Jackson in the way that like, at least in
Speaker 1: our childhood, it was always Tito was the one who
Speaker 1: caught the jokes. Yeah, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Because Michael, you brothers building, that man would come up
Speaker 2: on them backups, you know, yeah, was on groove. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean he had this ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tito was I felt like was the one who
Speaker 1: kind of Jermaine has the run and I'll be there.
Speaker 1: The fucking is that Jermaine? Yeah, that's Jermaine. If there
Speaker 1: was if there was another dude singing, it was Jermaine,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was always Jermaine.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: That would be hard to because you're like, what do
Speaker 1: I do? My little brother is and and Jermaine sounds good.
Speaker 2: Jer Like, like, I know Michael was talented, but the
Speaker 2: motherfuckers was talented.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Jermaine the one who tried to
Speaker 1: Jermaine is the one who said that his brother tried
Speaker 1: to block his career. They because of that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but Michael, do you imagine beefing and Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: at the height, but Mike can't win.
Speaker 4: Michael would would then like turn it into bits because
Speaker 4: of them beefing, because of how far he had ascended
Speaker 4: past Jermaine. He would like go on award shows and
Speaker 4: be like, I just want to thank all my brothers
Speaker 4: and Jermaine for.
Speaker 1: All their love and support.
Speaker 4: That's why people would laugh in the room because they
Speaker 4: knew Jermaine couldn't do a thing about it.
Speaker 1: That's gotta be and that's your brother that that would
Speaker 1: make me a villain more than what happened to Michael.
Speaker 2: Also, I think it's cool that that's the beef you
Speaker 2: get to have with your brother, like like those two guys,
Speaker 2: like they get to have that level of beef. Yeah,
Speaker 2: my brother. It's just also with the cereal bro bro
Speaker 2: that was you know what I mean starting bro y.
Speaker 1: He also keeps saying, and I recently found out my
Speaker 1: brother's algorithm is it's like you find out the similarity
Speaker 1: some twisted ship my brother the littlest I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, funny. Does he listen to us?
Speaker 1: I think he listens to clips sometimes in the way
Speaker 1: that yeah, I don't mean, I just don't want it
Speaker 1: to bum him out.
Speaker 4: If he's that cool where he's like on something twisted
Speaker 4: at that age and he can kind of like, yeah, he's.
Speaker 1: Very funny in a way that I'm scared of, which
Speaker 1: is like the best kind of funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like yeah, yeah, wow, like they had the beef
Speaker 2: of like I think it's Beautiful'll walk you bro, Yeah, bro,
Speaker 2: you don't.
Speaker 1: Think that sucked?
Speaker 2: Come on, that's for Jamane. Yeah, I'm saying. That's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I guess the public is also seeing it too.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. Could have been the Black Joker.
Speaker 1: We kind of got lucky, we got right, should have
Speaker 1: been the Black Joker. Maybe the hair is the worst
Speaker 1: he he could do had he taking any of that
Speaker 1: energy into weapons.
Speaker 4: All that right, because he's already he's already making it
Speaker 4: into like a precise missile. His hat is a spear, yeah,
Speaker 4: which if he were if he were to sharpen a
Speaker 4: piece of metal.
Speaker 2: This is the most dangerous crazy because they got beat
Speaker 2: with structure.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is turning into a Joe Jackson appreciated.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying in that episode with a
Speaker 4: moment for a moment of silence for Joe.
Speaker 2: There's there's a difference. I know, I know it's discipled,
Speaker 2: a wild thing to say, but you said it.
Speaker 1: Neither of us said it because.
Speaker 2: Talk about it. Oh boy, when they feel like we're wrong, right,
Speaker 2: we're just like, I'm okay with being wrong. I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: like I was just thinking about it, because you said,
Speaker 2: like he didn't put the energy into like guns. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know some guys that get beat with no structure.
Speaker 2: Then it's like, I'm gonna get a gun since they
Speaker 2: gotta beat with structure, that's probably why he didn't you.
Speaker 2: So that's what I know. I know, I threw it
Speaker 2: out there and crazy.
Speaker 1: No, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2: But I was just like, it's almost like if you're
Speaker 2: gonna beat your kid, beat your kid into something. Yeah right, yeah,
Speaker 2: I got beat just running around the house loose, That's
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And now I'm out here espousing crazy opinions. Maybe you
Speaker 1: should have been making me dance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Dance can be a form of can be help me,
Speaker 1: help you.
Speaker 2: As a as an alumni of child abuse?
Speaker 1: That's that's and I got it.
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 1: I got it, Duke, I don't know. I don't even
Speaker 1: have my tools. Yeah, run, what have you been doing
Speaker 1: this whole I fucked up. I didn't know he was
Speaker 1: gonna drop a bar that hard. The man said something
Speaker 1: really good and now you've disrupted.
Speaker 2: That was crazy. No, it's just it's just a very
Speaker 2: yeah that I'll take that. And uh, but you know,
Speaker 2: to the to my point, though, like I think I
Speaker 2: think what everyone was able to do was to take
Speaker 2: because they knew so much about them, like you know,
Speaker 2: like they knew like like he was doing interviews early on,
Speaker 2: like I think maybe before Thriller dropped, or he was
Speaker 2: talking about like things that happen, you know, like them
Speaker 2: getting beaten ship like that they like it was it
Speaker 2: was pretty much out there, right, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like even in the nineties when they dropped the VH one,
Speaker 2: you know, the Jackson Family American Dream Movie. Oh Jason
Speaker 2: Weaver had three part series or whatever. Yeah, like you know,
Speaker 2: like it was obvious, like what happened to him. We
Speaker 2: still were like in that music type though, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So like so I think there was
Speaker 2: just things that like someone some someone who's up there
Speaker 2: in the industry saw what they could use, you know,
Speaker 2: like taking like their life story and all this ship
Speaker 2: and like messing with it and like using it kind
Speaker 2: of against them. It's like, this is why he's crazy.
Speaker 2: I will say, you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 2: I'll say, I.
Speaker 1: Do wonder right because I hear what you're saying. I
Speaker 1: also think that the way that entertainment was structured at
Speaker 1: that time, because it's so fractured now, it's almost like
Speaker 1: the industry will never have to deal with another person
Speaker 1: as powerful as a Michael Jackson or a prince or
Speaker 1: whoever could get because it's just not set up that anyway.
Speaker 1: Like it's almost better, it's almost better for them that
Speaker 1: it's as fractured as it is now. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think, like, who has Michael Jackson power right now?
Speaker 4: I think in some ways, Michael Jackson became like a
Speaker 4: sacrificial lamb for a more manageable type of celebrity.
Speaker 1: Damn, you know what I mean, Like a Beyonce.
Speaker 4: Beyonce is able to stay a lot more sort of
Speaker 4: mentally grounded, whatever you decide that means. It's a different
Speaker 4: conversation because she watched what what that did to a
Speaker 4: different man when she went like she was.
Speaker 2: Out there, She's not out there.
Speaker 4: It's like, how you know, there were a bunch of
Speaker 4: certain types of injuries in the sixties that now we
Speaker 4: have the technology to keep sports players from experiencing. We've
Speaker 4: just improved the technology so now famous it may not
Speaker 4: be as big, but it is way more functional than Yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Almost should be. It almost should be niche Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: because yeah, because like Beyonce is like mystique, like a
Speaker 2: lot of her information ain't just really out there.
Speaker 1: Like and a lot of people not a lot of people,
Speaker 1: But I feel like people are less aware of Beyonce
Speaker 1: than they were of Michael Chat Like, you can live
Speaker 1: a life and not intake Beyonce. I don't think you
Speaker 1: could do that in a real like. I think everybody
Speaker 1: heard Thriller, regardless of if you liked it.
Speaker 2: I mean his his rollouts were insane. Yeah, his rollouts
Speaker 2: or something. His rollouts drop an hour special on that's
Speaker 2: jam problem.
Speaker 1: You ain't been asking for.
Speaker 2: The right stuff. That's not a issue being Indonesia. But
Speaker 2: this ship like that like.
Speaker 4: That, Yeah, I watched the clip the other day of
Speaker 4: he's on some like crane. He's like singing on top
Speaker 4: of a crane, shirt blowing in the wind, and a
Speaker 4: fan literally climbs the crane and and grabs onto him
Speaker 4: while he's like swinging on this single stare like one
Speaker 4: person can fit on him.
Speaker 2: He's like holding the fan so he doesn't fall, and
Speaker 2: the fans just like she this this or dude, I
Speaker 2: can't remember.
Speaker 4: He's like hugging him and kissing him and and will
Speaker 4: not let go. And Michael doesn't break character for a second,
Speaker 4: he grabs this dude by his waist and turns him
Speaker 4: around and he now he's holding the man from the back.
Speaker 2: I forget what song he was singing.
Speaker 1: It's there's a song that he got to be doing all.
Speaker 1: It's the coolest ship I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2: Oh bro, his production and all, like like the way
Speaker 2: he thought about like this is how we're going to
Speaker 2: execute this ship. Like he said something that I thought
Speaker 2: was so dope that I think any like you know,
Speaker 2: anyone that's a performance artist like like whatever, like take
Speaker 2: he said something like we want to take people on
Speaker 2: an adventure, an adventure. I'm like, damn, it's like what
Speaker 2: you know? Like this is what that looks like to
Speaker 2: take people on an adventure?
Speaker 1: Will you be there? That entire song from beginning, Dane Man,
Speaker 1: we listened when we were when we were moving back
Speaker 1: to l A. Me and I want to listen to it.
Speaker 1: I keep driving through Utah. I was gonna cry a
Speaker 1: scenic round. It was amazing.
Speaker 2: We were next I'm Only Human, I tell you goes
Speaker 2: in with law Bro. That song is insanely like I
Speaker 2: cried walking like I was just walking out. I was
Speaker 2: walking a silver like walking like on a far walk,
Speaker 2: and I just started crying to go, what the fuck
Speaker 2: is going on? Bro? It just hits you, Like.
Speaker 4: There are Michael Jackson songs that I would listen to
Speaker 4: more often, but I get uncomfortable with the emotional state
Speaker 4: that it launches me.
Speaker 1: And Bro, I get that girl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's breaking my brain.
Speaker 2: It's just Jam. Good you though? Jam is so And
Speaker 2: that's where he throws a shot at Jermaine on Jam
Speaker 2: on Jam, what is the first verse? Oh, damn, something
Speaker 2: like my brother or something like that.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't even think about words when I think about.
Speaker 2: It, I think I think it's in I think it's
Speaker 2: in Jam. Okay.
Speaker 1: When I think about Jam, I just I don't even think.
Speaker 2: Of what it's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't Eddie Murphy in that video?
Speaker 2: No, Jordan's.
Speaker 1: Remember the times? Eddie Murphy?
Speaker 2: Remember?
Speaker 1: Also, what's that video with Eddie Murphy and Michael Jackson?
Speaker 1: What's up with you?
Speaker 2: What's uh? What's uh? What's up? Yeah? Very strange ending
Speaker 2: to that video. Well, you've had the lyric.
Speaker 4: I'm singing an AI overview that I don't find satisfactory.
Speaker 4: It just says no, It's like, no, I ain't do that,
Speaker 4: but I'm trying to find it now, Okay, well you're searching.
Speaker 4: It was earth song Michael was singing when he saved
Speaker 4: that fan. It was.
Speaker 1: Thank you damn. That is an earth a song.
Speaker 2: That's a song.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even man, I don't think there were a
Speaker 1: lot of humans who could even handle that as well
Speaker 1: as he did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, while we're here, Jermaine's comments on Michael. Even though
Speaker 4: Michael is very talented, a lot of his success that
Speaker 4: has been due to timing and a little bit of luck.
Speaker 4: It could have been him or it could have just
Speaker 4: as easily been me.
Speaker 2: Come on, Jermain Lugerma. He put it this way. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what you can say that, Jermaine, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna and I'm gonna I'm gonna throw back at you,
Speaker 2: even though he probably said this in the nineties, Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: The thing is is, like, you know, that was probably
Speaker 2: just like emotions, that was all that was probably irrational.
Speaker 2: You know. The thing is is like Michael worked in
Speaker 2: a way that I don't think most fucking people do.
Speaker 2: Like there's this there's this one video on YouTube of
Speaker 2: Michael in the studio, and I think it's he's recording
Speaker 2: the song jam and I think it's the part where
Speaker 2: he goes damn. I think he recorded it, like I
Speaker 2: don't know, like multiple fucking times, right, and he was
Speaker 2: sitting there with the whoever's working the soundboard and he'd
Speaker 2: go here, he would go go to number forty three,
Speaker 2: go to this number. Let me hear that. Like it's
Speaker 2: just because he was trying to find the perfect one, right,
Speaker 2: Like he recorded it in like forty times. Bro, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's impressive, Like, like, who's working like that? I mean
Speaker 2: exactly heard on the joke five times? If it doesn't work,
Speaker 2: that's how we are. Yeah, who's working like that? Crazy? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I mean he was. He was a product
Speaker 1: of all of it for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I found a website that is tracking the beef.
Speaker 4: Yeah that like sort of has a full like breakdown
Speaker 4: of some of the beef.
Speaker 2: I wish Reddit was around when they were beefing. It
Speaker 2: would help us out.
Speaker 4: It does get a little crazy. So part of it
Speaker 4: is a marketing strategy that they layout against Germaine that
Speaker 4: like they when they go solo or sort of start
Speaker 4: doing like their own solo record. So Michael Jackson got
Speaker 4: to be there. It's his first solo record and it's
Speaker 4: released January of nineteen seventy two, and Jermaine's album Jermaine
Speaker 4: is released in August of the same year.
Speaker 1: Because for them, it was probably like you know, so
Speaker 1: it was a market dog out right.
Speaker 4: I think they were fucking yeah, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like it might have been a marketing strategy, or it
Speaker 4: might have just been like, well, if you will give
Speaker 4: you a record deal, find Jermaine, but we're not.
Speaker 1: We're not giving you a separate rollout.
Speaker 2: We're not going to go which is you Honestly, it's
Speaker 2: kind of a bummer because, like I do think Jermaine
Speaker 2: is like fucking talented, bro. He was talented, yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: And like it's just such that his brother was so
Speaker 2: massive to where like it was like you can't even like.
Speaker 1: Any other family held.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like like the Jacksons weren't like the Wu
Speaker 2: Tang clan where all the motherfuckers can just like put
Speaker 2: out solo records and it's like dope, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's where it gets even crazy. You've been at de
Speaker 4: Barge again in nineteen seventy three, Michael Jackson's Music and
Speaker 4: Me is released in April of that year. Uh, and
Speaker 4: Jermaine's Come Into My Life was released in May.
Speaker 1: They gave this nigga a month come on to breathe
Speaker 1: after Michael Jackson released.
Speaker 2: Now we'll bring it back to this. The music industry
Speaker 2: and the way they fuck with people, right, yeah, they
Speaker 2: fuck with r Yeah, because they have that kind of control. Bro,
Speaker 2: I think about that. I can't tell you how many,
Speaker 2: like I got a lot of homies that are like,
Speaker 2: you know, musicians and shit like that. They've made records
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. And I can't tell you how
Speaker 2: many times they do this thing where they give you
Speaker 2: this advance, right you know what I mean. They're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: here's here's two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to make
Speaker 2: a record. It don't cost them two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars to make a record. Yeah you get that money.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh shit, we got two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. And like you tell some some you know,
Speaker 2: artists who who's starving artists who really is like trying
Speaker 2: to like think, oh here's my big break I get
Speaker 2: to make like they give me two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. You know, they just spend that shit. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: they probably only paid, you know, tend to make the
Speaker 2: record maybe or whatever. Right, and then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden they're like, all right, man, we got to recoup
Speaker 2: that marketing costs. Yeah. Like that's why so many artists
Speaker 2: are just like doing it themselves. That's why they're learning
Speaker 2: how to work these like uh these programs to where
Speaker 2: they can you know, studying to be they're not just
Speaker 2: like musicians now now they're like you know, producers and
Speaker 2: all this shit as well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And that's my problem with the internet is whereas I
Speaker 1: can't learn another I got it edit here.
Speaker 4: Here's where it gets even nastier is that they say
Speaker 4: that part of it is that like when Jermaine got
Speaker 4: married to Hazel Gordon, Hazel, he knows Hazel. He stays
Speaker 4: in the Motown family, and that is what he has promised.
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson's career is what they were working on to
Speaker 4: build through Motown, like he was about to premiere as
Speaker 4: like the new sexy, cool, amazing artist born of the
Speaker 4: Jackson fame. This is Jermaine's version of it, and then
Speaker 4: Michael beats him to it, right, Michael gets to off
Speaker 4: the wall faster. The brothers are now separated. There are
Speaker 4: quotes of Michael being like, Jermaine and I were, We
Speaker 4: were as close as any two people could be. And
Speaker 4: it feels like a loss of my own limb to
Speaker 4: like lose my brother to a love kind of thing.
Speaker 4: And so he's claiming. Jermaine has a literal quote where
Speaker 4: he goes like he basically is saying, like Michael got
Speaker 4: to it before him and made sure that Jermaine was
Speaker 4: never able to get his run at the thing.
Speaker 1: That's Jermaine saying, Hey, Michael known for doing some cold
Speaker 1: shit like that. That that does seem in character to me.
Speaker 1: That was supposed to be that does. That's why I stayed.
Speaker 2: At believe it, Michael brother, you look.
Speaker 4: At but once Michael beat me to it, he made
Speaker 4: sure it would only be him.
Speaker 1: Jermaine Jackson, Listen, all he knew how to be was
Speaker 1: a dog. That's all he had.
Speaker 2: He du Yeah, Like, I mean the guy was a dog.
Speaker 2: That's that's I mean, what's your I'm talking about? Like
Speaker 2: doging away like like he was like I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: that guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Quincy Jones called the Macabelian like, like, yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He was because he was like a business sabbage.
Speaker 4: Imagine how crazy you have to be to walk into
Speaker 4: a room and then open your arms.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That's not natural.
Speaker 4: You walk into a room and you open your arms
Speaker 4: and then people swarm you.
Speaker 1: That's that's not how human beings behaved. That he was.
Speaker 4: Say God, now we can talk about what God means
Speaker 4: that it isn't. I'm not saying he is above the
Speaker 4: Lord himself, but my God, I can't do this.
Speaker 1: That's that's he.
Speaker 2: I mean, like he he created that Broyeah created that,
Speaker 2: He created that energy, Like.
Speaker 1: Is there is he the biggest star that the world
Speaker 1: had ever seen it to that point?
Speaker 2: I think so?
Speaker 1: Over the Beatles? Yeah, I mean I think I think
Speaker 1: he did hold him out.
Speaker 2: A little bit. Yeah, I mean, but like I think
Speaker 2: if ever there was.
Speaker 4: A celebrity bigger, they were not famous because.
Speaker 1: We like them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I think Khan was a celebrity, right, but
Speaker 4: I think he really bummed people out right right right.
Speaker 1: I think they were like, fuck, I heard Genghis might
Speaker 1: be coming, y'all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they knew there was a bad thing
Speaker 4: on its way and they couldn't do nothing about it.
Speaker 2: God, I mean the fact that like that that video
Speaker 2: I think I think it's nineteen Mike Jackson nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: two and uh, how do you say boot crist like
Speaker 2: Chris Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Uh, and where it's
Speaker 2: like the most famous video ever this this concert where
Speaker 2: he jumps out from the stage, stands there five minutes.
Speaker 2: The crowd is screaming, screaming. He's just looking. You almost
Speaker 2: don't even know if it's actually him because he's standing
Speaker 2: so still right and he's got his shades on. And
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, he like like three minutes
Speaker 2: later he turns his head and then another uproar happens
Speaker 2: super Bowl, like what the hell? Yeah, what are you
Speaker 2: gonna do with? Like how do you even? And people
Speaker 2: are fainting passing out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people died because of Michael Jackson. Bro. And then
Speaker 1: he just like went to bed that night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like God, yeah, That's what I'm saying, Like, God,
Speaker 2: it's crazy, it's crazy like that. I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know any other artists I could like pull
Speaker 2: that off to where you're like, you know, I've seen
Speaker 2: some amazing concerts where people like go crazy.
Speaker 4: And I'll say this, and we do have to take
Speaker 4: a break, but I will say this, the greatest artists
Speaker 4: possibly ever are the product of Jehovah's witnesses.
Speaker 1: We've we've talked about that on here before. We have
Speaker 1: talked about that on here before.
Speaker 2: They they cook. I got it.
Speaker 1: I think they got something. They got it. I think
Speaker 1: they got something pretty good going.
Speaker 4: On, Prince, just statistically, and I'm not gonna era out
Speaker 4: other names that I know necessarily, but there there there
Speaker 4: are quite a few.
Speaker 2: We can we go to break before we get too
Speaker 2: far into this.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Yeah, we're gonna take a break.
Speaker 2: No, she tried to save us, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: All Right, We're gonna take a break. More Shapelle, lazy more,
Speaker 1: my mama told me.
Speaker 10: But we're gonna do disrespectfully otherwise will end in a duel,
Speaker 10: and I mean a duel, real life duel where only
Speaker 10: one person walks away. We can meet with guns, bottles,
Speaker 10: knives or books and equations, but we're going to do
Speaker 10: this like man, So get.
Speaker 2: Ready, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: We're all back. Welcome back to my Mama told me,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, and Bottles is maybe the
Speaker 1: craziest one of all those.
Speaker 2: What movie is that?
Speaker 1: That's not Oh no, no, no, that's right, brother, that's them
Speaker 1: just talking.
Speaker 4: Nobody else wrote that monologue that was of his own creation.
Speaker 4: You would think, no, it felt like it, brother, that
Speaker 4: you're confusing one genius with another genius.
Speaker 1: They are both geniuses.
Speaker 2: Damn. I guess I just accepted.
Speaker 1: I bought this bottle to this equation fight. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: I got all these books.
Speaker 2: He's got guns.
Speaker 1: I'd never considered that they would have guns. That an
Speaker 1: equation fight, not an equation equation fight.
Speaker 2: Oh man.
Speaker 1: Anyways, Likeston did some research. We did.
Speaker 4: We're talking about the possibout ability that Michael Jackson was assassinated,
Speaker 4: and one of the things that you talked about was
Speaker 4: his ownership of Sony that like, he had a major
Speaker 4: stock in Sony, had an active beef with Sony on
Speaker 4: multiple occasions, and that beef actually left him in a
Speaker 4: situation where I think he sold his share or his
Speaker 4: assets in Sony eight or whatever it was called, for
Speaker 4: one point two billion dollars to them. It sounds like
Speaker 4: Sonny buy's steake in Michael Jackson catalog valuing rights over
Speaker 4: one point two billion dollars. Oh but no, this is
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four that his estate sells the rights. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that they they they acquire it. They bought it basically
Speaker 4: for one point two billion dollars. But up to that
Speaker 4: point he had essentially one point two billion dollars worth
Speaker 4: of some shit that they wanted.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And then as estate sold it, people sold it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the estate.
Speaker 4: Finally, the deal, which is likely worth at least six
Speaker 4: hundred million, includes half of the Late Stars publishing and
Speaker 4: recorded Masters.
Speaker 2: His stuff too.
Speaker 4: It's valued at that one point two billion, and they're
Speaker 4: saying it's probably going to sell for or at the
Speaker 4: time was probably going to sell for six hundred million.
Speaker 2: Oh got it, got it.
Speaker 1: So they get the getting it for cheap.
Speaker 4: Basically this thing that they know is worth more than
Speaker 4: one point two billion dollars.
Speaker 2: I know that's I was literally thinking that. I was like,
Speaker 2: why do I feel like one point two is like
Speaker 2: like light, like it feels light. And then.
Speaker 1: And then they cut in half. They've only paid six
Speaker 1: hundred million. That's why you need the dog around.
Speaker 2: You need a dog, You need it.
Speaker 1: Joseph.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. True.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to go back to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, you need.
Speaker 1: Because at that point money is just an idea and
Speaker 1: money is just power.
Speaker 4: And I think that's what Michael was able to do
Speaker 4: the entire time he was alive.
Speaker 2: You'll say no, but you know, then to bring into
Speaker 2: like the newer age or whatever. It's like, uh, trying
Speaker 2: to make this all I kind of tie it a
Speaker 2: little bit together. But like when Taylor Swift and I
Speaker 2: think it was like her first four or five albums
Speaker 2: or whatever it was like, and like she wasn't getting
Speaker 2: the masters or anything to that, she just went re
Speaker 2: recorded it Taylor's version, right, Yeah, she went re recorded
Speaker 2: it and told her fans not to listen to the
Speaker 2: old ones and to listen to the new ones, which
Speaker 2: I think is a very gangster move because because here's
Speaker 2: the thing, here's the thing that like people don't like.
Speaker 2: I think so many people don't like. Sometimes they make
Speaker 2: us forget that we have the audience. They don't know
Speaker 2: who you are. They don't know who you are in
Speaker 2: the building, they don't know who you are behind the desk.
Speaker 2: They know who I am. And if I say do this,
Speaker 2: you know they like me. So much and they funded
Speaker 2: me so much. Say I've earned these uh this audience
Speaker 2: trusts they're going to do that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got I got thirty barbarians ready to move.
Speaker 2: Let me just let me just I mean, but like,
Speaker 2: imagine if Michael did something like that, oh like to
Speaker 2: where he could just change up the game and be like,
Speaker 2: all right, I got you and I do for him.
Speaker 2: I would still kill for him.
Speaker 4: And I do think that if I represent a corporation,
Speaker 4: a giant organization that cannot control the way that my
Speaker 4: music is consumed and could be all threatened by a
Speaker 4: dude who hates my guts, maybe I want you dead. Yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe I want you accused of crimes that that maybe
Speaker 4: you do commit. But now I'm making it public because
Speaker 4: that was a ditty shit, right is Like Diddy has
Speaker 4: been on this misbehavior tour for a lifetime, but it
Speaker 4: wasn't until supposedly he got in bad blood with the
Speaker 4: owners of Surak and sort of refused to play ball
Speaker 4: on some shit that they wanted to do with that
Speaker 4: larger sort of umbrella company that then finally people went
Speaker 4: all right, well, if you ain't gonna play with us,
Speaker 4: now people are going to know how you move. Now
Speaker 4: people are gonna start seeing videos and hearing your business and.
Speaker 1: Say, that's kind of what happened with that Drake shit too.
Speaker 4: I think mad crazy, and I think the dangerous thing
Speaker 4: we would do is go like that absolves these individuals
Speaker 4: of whatever they did.
Speaker 1: That's not really it was what's like the specifics of
Speaker 1: it he was about. He was it was like a
Speaker 1: two million dollar deal right with Universal. I do know
Speaker 1: that I put it out there now, I didn't know
Speaker 1: it as well as I thought. But the timing of it,
Speaker 1: the timing of it, of the whole takedown was also.
Speaker 2: So your springboarding, all the timing of things of like
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But I but I but I I
Speaker 2: think I've always heard that like did he was kind
Speaker 2: of like a no.
Speaker 1: I think it was a quiet secret for sure.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that that there's a reason that suddenly the
Speaker 4: law is getting enforced around him in a way that
Speaker 4: it wasn't that it was the fact that you're able
Speaker 4: to be like, oh my whole life.
Speaker 1: I heard he was kind of a while dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it means that like so did the so did
Speaker 4: the cops they chose when they were r Kelly. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the girl that he peed on went to my high school. Man,
Speaker 4: it wasn't bro it wasn't. This wasn't like a secret
Speaker 4: at all.
Speaker 2: I know, I know like that I remember being a kid.
Speaker 2: I'm not hearing about him being on but like we
Speaker 2: just kind of like.
Speaker 1: Wanted to see.
Speaker 2: Out loud dog.
Speaker 4: Beyond that, if you wanted to see R. Kelly, go
Speaker 4: to rock and roll McDonald's on a Saturday and you
Speaker 4: a team will be there where he is also trying
Speaker 4: to find teens. It was just understood like Robert Kelly
Speaker 4: likes to hang out at the rock and roll McDonald's.
Speaker 1: Where teams be at in the in the epicenter of downtown.
Speaker 2: So so so what do you what do you think
Speaker 2: it was with him as far as like was there
Speaker 2: something with his music as far as well they're like
Speaker 2: all right, R Kelly, now we're gonna get you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like what was the timing on? Well?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I don't know enough about like the
Speaker 4: way that that his music deals and contracts and all
Speaker 4: this stuff work, but I do know that for a
Speaker 4: long time he represented a big, big money grab in
Speaker 4: the industry.
Speaker 1: He wrote music for.
Speaker 4: Mariah Carey, Celean Dion there he was.
Speaker 2: Did you get your shots? Come on? Would you see?
Speaker 2: That's when I think they went.
Speaker 1: He's singing about sex trafficking.
Speaker 2: Maybe we got to stop.
Speaker 11: It's my favoriteport.
Speaker 4: Girl, Would you like to come back with drop to
Speaker 4: an ABC.
Speaker 1: At one point he was calling himself the pied piper
Speaker 1: he was and our faces wearing Zoro mats.
Speaker 4: And I think that everybody was fine with that so
Speaker 4: long as their pockets were lined a certain way.
Speaker 1: And I think at some.
Speaker 4: Point the wrong people And now R Kelly is especially dumb,
Speaker 4: and he was documenting himself on hard VHS's like, I
Speaker 4: think there's a.
Speaker 2: Level these cans just be filming.
Speaker 4: I think there's a level of stupidity that that Diddy
Speaker 4: even had.
Speaker 1: You know, Diddy was.
Speaker 4: On some very savvy trafficking he was on some some
Speaker 4: other ship. R Kelly was a real dirt dog about
Speaker 4: it and made it easy for people to be like,
Speaker 4: hey man, you're in absolute monds.
Speaker 2: So these motherfuckers know what these guys are doing, and
Speaker 2: it's just like, hey, you fuck us over.
Speaker 4: I'm I think one hundred percent, yes, yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: I think that's like, especially when you reach a level
Speaker 4: of notoriety.
Speaker 1: How do you hide anything, Jason? You know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: how do you hide in? How what's he doing where
Speaker 1: nobody can talk or see? You know?
Speaker 4: Jay Z did two albums with him, and one of
Speaker 4: them came after were it was like, all right, cool,
Speaker 4: you good, let's let's get back to work. Unfinished business.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, after the Yeah, that's why it was unfinished.
Speaker 2: Same girl. Nobody.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody is like, yeah, we we just
Speaker 1: it comes up, we talk about we talk about how
Speaker 1: great she was, like she really had it, had it
Speaker 1: hear the story, Yeah, that's summer of her life.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess that is an interesting point. You
Speaker 2: always see there's this thing that like that happens when
Speaker 2: people were just like, oh, we're gonna put this out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that that absolves anybody. I don't
Speaker 4: think that these are good people that we're talking about,
Speaker 4: but I do think that like the way that we
Speaker 4: consume media has always been under the hand of someone else, truly.
Speaker 2: And maybe that's the beauty that the fact that we
Speaker 2: don't even know who these people are, and maybe that's
Speaker 2: what's good about them, and that's.
Speaker 1: Why we can't know, we can't know who they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's what That's what I'm saying, Like, that's
Speaker 2: that That's probably why works in their favor so much.
Speaker 2: It's just like they don't know who we are. You know,
Speaker 2: exactly who Michael Jackson is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. Now I can put a
Speaker 1: button on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could just Oh the guy that changes skin tone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: trust this guy. Yeah, you trust this guy. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: this you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, don't worry about how much money.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I think that also makes you makes it a
Speaker 4: lot easier for you to roll out a new artist
Speaker 4: over them or make them disappear, you know what I
Speaker 4: mean To our point about Michael Jackson's that that album
Speaker 4: with Invincible, Yeah, it's it's Hey, you are the most
Speaker 4: powerful man on a planet. They show you walk into
Speaker 4: rooms like this. Yeah, and we still have so much
Speaker 4: money and so much influence. We can make it so
Speaker 4: that not that many people fuck with it. Yeah, because
Speaker 4: you're still just one entity. They have the resources of
Speaker 4: the machine. They control everybody.
Speaker 1: It's like a conglomerate. Yeah, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1: Patrol over press, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: They have the whole.
Speaker 1: So like as much as you can do as one person,
Speaker 1: they still have it's still a group. They could be
Speaker 1: like write a bad review about this. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: group of it's a group. It's a group of protected interests.
Speaker 4: And that's why I think it's absurd that people fully
Speaker 4: deny the Illuminati. Like it's not that the Illuminati and
Speaker 4: as an organization under that title exists, but the very
Speaker 4: thought that, like the head of Sony doesn't have the
Speaker 4: head of some oil company and the head of some
Speaker 4: other company all tied in on.
Speaker 2: Hey, you got a lot of money, I got a
Speaker 2: lot of money. List and money.
Speaker 1: At some point the number is just equals to power, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so it's like you have you have six point
Speaker 1: seven power, I have seven point four power. All right,
Speaker 1: Well we gotta hang out, bro, and or we hate
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And think about how you become a billionaire. The only
Speaker 4: way to become a billionaire is to diversify your portfolio
Speaker 4: to such an extent that you can be a megan
Speaker 4: millionaire in like eight different right, right, Like you have
Speaker 4: to combine into fucking voltron of like nasty ship to
Speaker 4: be able to make billionaire. Right, Michael Jackson very much
Speaker 4: had his hands in eight different things that I bet
Speaker 4: the head of Sony can make a phone call on
Speaker 4: and go. We don't do Michael Jackson video games no more.
Speaker 2: I'm glad. I just want to be a comedian. I
Speaker 2: just want to Jos.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: The thirst for power is like that'll really take you out?
Speaker 1: How to really get you out of here?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean yeah, I mean it's it's just one
Speaker 2: thing that just exists in our world. And I mean,
Speaker 2: what am I going to do about it?
Speaker 1: I don't got that dog in me. I'm not even
Speaker 1: I'm not even particularly savvy for what I'm doing now.
Speaker 2: I well be a meeting.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it have to be like hold on, what does
Speaker 1: this mean?
Speaker 2: I know? So stop. So it's always fun sharing me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's always fun being an outside of this ship
Speaker 2: because you're just like, oh yeah over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like, you know, I truly feel like I'm
Speaker 1: the type of person who would have got invited to
Speaker 1: the Diddy party and not knowing what happened, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would have left like your party was cool?
Speaker 11: Ship?
Speaker 2: You know what you like? All right, David later Man, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we got the uber right here, got home, happy ship.
Speaker 2: You know I didn't.
Speaker 12: I wasn't adding value to the rest of this. And
Speaker 12: I think they know I wasn't going to go in
Speaker 12: the room. I know I wasn't gonna go in there.
Speaker 4: I will say that I do think that that is
Speaker 4: the Internet is treating it as if Diddy, like if
Speaker 4: you showed up at the party, this nigga locked the
Speaker 4: doors and you had to get fed.
Speaker 2: Think of the niggas weren't making it. Yes, they were leaving, brother.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people were crazy.
Speaker 1: I'll be sure it was there, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people were just happy to
Speaker 4: be a part of a fun evening.
Speaker 2: And then and then the light skin back in the day,
Speaker 2: he was the lightest one.
Speaker 1: I didn't get no lighter.
Speaker 2: Barge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and spirit because the barge, the barge. They yeah,
Speaker 4: they were light skinned, but they they'll they'll like fight you.
Speaker 1: They were brothers, right, They operated like a gang. Yeah
Speaker 1: they were.
Speaker 4: They were sucking Chico in and out of jail to
Speaker 4: this day. Yeah, they're committed to that. I ain't no fighter, baby,
Speaker 4: he wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: Get your hands off my mink like that.
Speaker 2: He was on a whole different ways different broyh. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's man, it's yeah, it's crazy that Like I mean,
Speaker 2: that's just the world where I'm like, you know, like
Speaker 2: that's why I said, like, you know, looking at it,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can only tell you what I believe
Speaker 2: in what I think after that, Yeah, I mean, you
Speaker 2: got to do for yourself with with what you want,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And like, had you wanted to be there, you would
Speaker 1: have had the instincts to get you there.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: We don't even have the instinct you.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. They even get over there.
Speaker 1: They're like I've been working in showpingness for a long time,
Speaker 1: truly have not seen that much crazy ship as it is,
Speaker 1: it has worked for me, yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But then I know people who have seen crazier shit
Speaker 1: and I'm like, nah, I didn't even.
Speaker 2: But also like also like we're we're I mean, I
Speaker 2: feel like, I mean, you know, quote me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: but like you know, uh when I say, quote me
Speaker 2: from that right or let me know if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I mean, I'm such a guy like
Speaker 2: and I feel like you guys like too were like
Speaker 2: like I just be like nah to a lot of ship,
Speaker 2: Like I don't have Like there's just just nothing in
Speaker 2: me that makes me want to go let me go
Speaker 2: do that over there now. I'm just like I enjoy
Speaker 2: the things that I do. I go to concerts, I
Speaker 2: go I have fun on stage, I'll go skate whatever,
Speaker 2: I'll do that like that, Like I love having that life.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like I still feel like a normal dude.
Speaker 2: Like I don't feel like I'm like you know people.
Speaker 2: I mean there's people that want to say hi and
Speaker 2: take a picture. That's cool whatever. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know whatever. But like I love doing the things
Speaker 2: that like I've always enjoyed doing living.
Speaker 4: Your life exactly as you chose.
Speaker 2: Because that's the thing. That's the thing, Like like all
Speaker 2: of us have a choice, Like they all had a choice.
Speaker 2: Could have been like I'm done after the judge.
Speaker 1: You gotta want to go, you gotta want to go
Speaker 1: out there. Like we talk about just having to leave
Speaker 1: the house sometimes, like we should, really we should, we
Speaker 1: should really just be going out.
Speaker 2: We gotta really alone.
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't have the taste for like
Speaker 1: what the things you gotta do to do.
Speaker 2: Listen, when I like, when I get off stage at
Speaker 2: whatever show I'm doing around town, that momentum I'm using
Speaker 2: to walk off stage leads me right to my car. Man,
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, last time I saw you, you were
Speaker 2: in your car leaving the comedy store. I get off,
Speaker 2: get off stage, and I leave, you know, because there's
Speaker 2: just something I think. It's like, Okay, this is this
Speaker 2: is why I like to ship there. There's I saw
Speaker 2: in an interview, Donald Glover said something that was so dope.
Speaker 2: He goes, uh. He says something like like when you
Speaker 2: wake up, when when you first wake up in the morning,
Speaker 2: that's the most one you like before anything else, Like
Speaker 2: you waking up in the morning. It's like you and
Speaker 2: I and I thought about that in like another aspect.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, when I was like, when I get
Speaker 2: off stage, I get my car, I go home to
Speaker 2: like get get ready for bed, I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure Pelasi the comedian anymore. I'm just a guy that's
Speaker 2: driving home, you know, just getting ready for bed.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, everything that.
Speaker 2: Was yeah, Like this crowd was just like, oh, you
Speaker 2: know whatever, blah blah blah. Like when when I'm driving
Speaker 2: home and like you know, it's it's it's literally just
Speaker 2: exactly who I am.
Speaker 1: All that stuff stays at the club. I think that
Speaker 1: stays at the club. I think that's why sometimes hotel
Speaker 1: rooms are so weird, because it's like you'll be in
Speaker 1: the hotel room and you're just like watching Sports Center
Speaker 1: or whatever. Like I was just that ship fifteen minutes ago. Well, bro,
Speaker 1: I mean now I grabbed a sandwich. The worst time of.
Speaker 2: I try to be cool. That's what it is.
Speaker 4: The worst time of the night for me is that
Speaker 4: like two to sometimes four hour come down from the stage,
Speaker 4: where like my adrenaline is still spiked, like I'm still
Speaker 4: up here like a motherfucker, like with what's moving through
Speaker 4: my body. But my want is to sit and just
Speaker 4: present with myself and not yeah, I mean I want
Speaker 4: to fucking watch anime. I want to like get lost.
Speaker 2: I mean bullshit, talk about it, bro, But.
Speaker 4: Like I'm still like kind of buzzing while I'm fucking
Speaker 4: watching Attack on Titan. And that's not that's not like
Speaker 4: good energy.
Speaker 1: That just happened to me. That just happened to me.
Speaker 1: Saturday night, I was just in the condo in New
Speaker 1: Orleans and I was like yeah, yeah, and you're like
Speaker 1: because like you get older and then it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well you can't really get drunk like you used to.
Speaker 1: You can't, like because the places you would have siphoned
Speaker 1: that when you were younger that you didn't even necessarily know,
Speaker 1: you know what, that's what was happening, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: Right? I think what it is for me is like
Speaker 2: like I've never had anything like this, Yeah, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So like when I when I think
Speaker 2: about it, I'm like, bro, like how do I protect this?
Speaker 2: Like this is like I get to like still do
Speaker 2: the ship that I like always wanted to do. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't have to work, you know, a nine to five.
Speaker 2: I can live off this.
Speaker 1: I go.
Speaker 2: That's fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the luckiest guy in the world.
Speaker 2: All what I feel. I feel like luckiest fuck you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And like and even even if
Speaker 2: you have those, like you go through a weekend somewhere
Speaker 2: and it's like, hell, all right, man, They're like there's
Speaker 2: you fifteen people, you know what I mean, And You're
Speaker 2: just like, I ain't fucking fifteen people here were cool
Speaker 2: with chill. I'm in a different city. Yeah, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like people, fifty people in Cleveland know me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that wasn't gonna wasn't gonna happen. Wasn't gonna happen. Bro, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that wasn't gonna happen. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like, that's why we got to throw these things out
Speaker 1: the window. That comparative man.
Speaker 2: Comparative ship really does kill you. And it's like and
Speaker 2: I think a lot of that, Like you know, I think, Yeah, Mike,
Speaker 2: Mike had a fucking massive ego, bro had Like yeah,
Speaker 2: you like to get that way, bro, you like you
Speaker 2: have to like all these guys like have like these
Speaker 2: even fifty cent. I love fifty and fifty cent cracking
Speaker 2: me the funk up. But like like he has like
Speaker 2: a massive ego to that, there's.
Speaker 1: Just a huge ego, Like speaking against him on this.
Speaker 2: Love, I'll pay, I'll pay. I'll pay you what I
Speaker 2: owe you by Monday.
Speaker 1: We respect you, Curtis.
Speaker 2: I mean I would have I would have personally taken
Speaker 2: the bullets out of Curtis myself if I could, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, That's how I feel. That's why
Speaker 2: I Yeah, if they're like, hey, the only way, the
Speaker 2: only way Curtis can live. You gotta suck these bullets. Okay.
Speaker 2: I don't want to have the own money, so yet
Speaker 2: I don't want him to want him to make fun
Speaker 2: of me. I will definitely don't want him to please
Speaker 2: please please don't film this though, because he will use
Speaker 2: it against me. Yeah. But no, like there's just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you know, and I like we all have ego.
Speaker 2: That's like you can't like get away from that. But
Speaker 2: like I try to like maintain it to where I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, hey, you're you're not on stage anymore, bro,
Speaker 2: Well you know some people don't. Some people don't think
Speaker 2: about that. It's like, bro, you know you're not on
Speaker 2: stage right now.
Speaker 1: You know what I can't have my ego be backed
Speaker 1: by is actual money. I have to just I just
Speaker 1: have to keep it based in the quality of what
Speaker 1: I think I'm doing. Does that makes sense once I
Speaker 1: attach the commerce to it, and then that idea is
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, that's where all that's.
Speaker 2: Where I die. Yeah, where I go.
Speaker 1: Over there and I start those are the games I'm
Speaker 1: trying to play.
Speaker 2: That's that I always think. I always think there's a
Speaker 2: thing like like naming your price. You know what I mean,
Speaker 2: it's all like what caused my prices?
Speaker 1: I just want to be good. I'm really lucky. That's
Speaker 1: all I have for me.
Speaker 4: I think I found some comfort in the price being
Speaker 4: joy and not joy. So as long as there's something
Speaker 4: that that I'll be like, yeah, that would be a
Speaker 4: fun ass time, I'll go do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm not tripping off of whether or not this is.
Speaker 4: And thankfully I have enough things that can pay my
Speaker 4: bills that I can protect stand up at least in
Speaker 4: that way where I go. If that will be fun,
Speaker 4: then I will do it.
Speaker 2: I will do it. It's nothing crazy, nothing out of pocket.
Speaker 1: Yeah that yeah, I stayed. I stayed doing rooms. I
Speaker 1: get on playing to do a room because I have
Speaker 1: some other jobs. So yeah, like Dayton, Kentucky to do
Speaker 1: what's the tapes?
Speaker 2: No, No, that's in Louis fore Danon Kentucky. Has the Commonwealth?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's a fun room.
Speaker 2: Are you about to get in the old church? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Shout out to commonwealth.
Speaker 2: Shouts out commonwealth.
Speaker 1: Hear you all say this. You have a good time.
Speaker 1: You have a great time, and it's weird. You're like
Speaker 1: you how close Cincinnati is to Kentucky so close.
Speaker 2: Also Dayton, Kentucky, I got not the most fun city
Speaker 2: to be in, but just just hop across, you know,
Speaker 2: home across that bridge over a little bit more fun.
Speaker 1: I got you. There's just it's just so small. It's
Speaker 1: just so small.
Speaker 2: But uh oh yeah, Like Bro, I love going out
Speaker 2: there and doing those rooms. Like Mike, why did you
Speaker 2: go out and do a small room? Michael?
Speaker 1: Come on, I think people literally would have shipped themselves
Speaker 1: and they would have burned the building down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael in an intimate room.
Speaker 1: Bro, I don't think it never, if it ever happened,
Speaker 1: think about that that.
Speaker 4: I think I think it would have been irresponsible for
Speaker 4: him to go into a small room.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: Like Bro, I did some ship with Will Smith one time,
Speaker 1: and they were like the casino was like, we can't
Speaker 1: have him on the floor. We can't insure it. And
Speaker 1: this was before.
Speaker 2: Sure Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: They were like we can't handle the insurance. And this
Speaker 1: was before Red Table talk ship. Yeah, this is like
Speaker 1: it's like six seven years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They were like like, so we had to like we
Speaker 1: he had to come in the back, and then we did.
Speaker 1: We shot some stuff, and then they shut down a
Speaker 1: top golf and we shot some stuff and then we
Speaker 1: all had to go to his hotel room No Diddy,
Speaker 1: and we shot some stuff. Could not be on the
Speaker 1: casino floor, wow, because he just yeah, yeah, so what
Speaker 1: like with Michael, there was no there's no opportunity for
Speaker 1: him to do it. There's no you can't even get
Speaker 1: It's like it's not safe for the room.
Speaker 2: For Prince to do it, it would have to be
Speaker 2: like a straight up secret. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean Prince did smaller rooms towards the end, because
Speaker 1: I remember I wanted to go see him at Slims
Speaker 1: in San Francisco the year before he died, and it
Speaker 1: was but it was like tickets were it's expensive as
Speaker 1: fuck and Slims isn't small.
Speaker 4: I also think Prince by a certain point had done
Speaker 4: a lot to like change the way that people treated
Speaker 4: his celebrity like he he very intentionally was like, I
Speaker 4: don't I don't if he's gonna be God, I don't
Speaker 4: want to compete with God in that way. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: find a different way to play this where I am
Speaker 4: like a mysterious sort of like shadow of a man.
Speaker 4: And so it's there was you could see Prince in
Speaker 4: a small room because that was part of his lore.
Speaker 1: But he protects it to this day. Right, that documentary
Speaker 1: didn't come out, It never is gonna come out. They
Speaker 1: were gonna make like a sup They did make it.
Speaker 4: They did make a super in depth Prince document Like
Speaker 4: the law around it is is that it's the greatest
Speaker 4: documentary ever created.
Speaker 1: That like it is.
Speaker 4: It is supposed to be like a miracle of a
Speaker 4: revelation for like how you understand him, but then also
Speaker 4: like human relationships and like how we can all kind
Speaker 4: of like embody the greatness that is this man. It
Speaker 4: like it is supposed to be like life change and
Speaker 4: ship and legal battle whatever whatever Netflix candidate, it's never
Speaker 4: going to exist.
Speaker 2: Wow damn see that. See that hurts me more than
Speaker 2: like then, like we're not releasing Jackie on NASA's dress
Speaker 2: until you get the dress.
Speaker 4: And we do have that recorded you say that we
Speaker 4: caught it on that camera and in the wide See.
Speaker 2: This is and this is why let me ask you this,
Speaker 2: like like how I guess this is like odd question
Speaker 2: because like this, I mean it's not too odd for us,
Speaker 2: but like based off what we do you know, we're
Speaker 2: stand ups like and and sometimes, like like I said,
Speaker 2: I think you don't know when it like like happens,
Speaker 2: like when it happens for you, because it's like it's
Speaker 2: literally I feel like it's kind of like out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: like I mean, we put the energy out there, like
Speaker 2: like just just more so recently, like you know, I'm
Speaker 2: only saying this to the fucking I hate even saying this.
Speaker 2: Just recently I got over the hump of like now
Speaker 2: I'm like selling out shows. Yeah, but like like I
Speaker 2: didn't know like when that was coming, Like I'm just
Speaker 2: like doing the things that like literally all of us,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So like I guess like
Speaker 2: like how my question is is like how famous would
Speaker 2: you want to be?
Speaker 4: I think not much more than I think we all
Speaker 4: say that we.
Speaker 2: All say, but a lot of times you can't. You
Speaker 2: can't control get.
Speaker 1: Stressed though, like you've seen it. I'd be getting really
Speaker 1: stressed about exposure in that way.
Speaker 2: But so like there might be something today or tomorrow
Speaker 2: for next week that just fucking yeah, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: David Borie is like, you want yourself more night, said
Speaker 2: the Wiltern. You you want yourself to.
Speaker 1: Be open to that, and I would like take the
Speaker 1: opportunity as it came. But like, am I like freaking
Speaker 1: out about it not happening tomorrow? No, because I know
Speaker 1: that I get like I get a high level like
Speaker 1: even on this. Sometimes we'll do some shit and I'll
Speaker 1: talk to Langston and.
Speaker 2: Be like, oh, no, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's like, so it's like if I have to
Speaker 1: be real on what I think I could handle for
Speaker 1: an and you obviously you you rise to it or whatever.
Speaker 4: I think the scary part of celebrity is that we
Speaker 4: don't get to control the stopping point. Yeah that's I think.
Speaker 4: I one hundred percent do not envision myself in any
Speaker 4: way close to whatever these two have going on. That
Speaker 4: is not everyone want decile that's beautiful, that's gorgeous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's beautiful.
Speaker 2: A little for that, I just.
Speaker 1: Wonder I want people to mention my name and everybody laughs.
Speaker 2: A little bit, but you know you know what I mean. Yeah, like,
Speaker 2: but we don't get to pick. But like, so like
Speaker 2: this is this is who like one of my favorites,
Speaker 2: and like I feel like controlling their celebrity and their
Speaker 2: situation is Kendrick. I love the way that the guy
Speaker 2: will just fucking be quiet well you know, like for
Speaker 2: for you know, because what he came up with damn
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, and then mister Moraud not until two
Speaker 2: or something. It was like five years later or whatever.
Speaker 2: Like you didn't hear anything of them, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. It's why and people and then people like
Speaker 2: still respect that. Like, oh, I can't remember who was
Speaker 2: telling me about it? Fuck who I remember? Oh it
Speaker 2: was Chris Riggins was telling me. Ye shouted to Riggins. Bro.
Speaker 2: He was saying, like when he was on tour with
Speaker 2: with Dave Dave Chappelle or whatever, and uh, they one
Speaker 2: night they went to Kindrick concert, right, and they said
Speaker 2: he said his green room is literally no one in there,
Speaker 2: like yeah, Like I was like, damn, yeah, I'm very ken. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that. And another person another person that I
Speaker 2: like admire with like and in the controlling of their celebrity,
Speaker 2: and that is also a comedian, Daniel Tosh. I love
Speaker 2: the way he does it. Bro like about him exactly
Speaker 2: and like meanwhile, Daniel just like does his fucking thing
Speaker 2: he and and like the guy sells out theaters. The
Speaker 2: guy sells out theaters and he also has a residency
Speaker 2: in Vegas, I believe. And meanwhile, you don't know anything
Speaker 2: about him. He just you can't associate him with any
Speaker 2: type of like you know, Austin, New York, l A.
Speaker 2: You can't really associate him with anything other than just
Speaker 2: like Daniel Tosh, you even know, I don't even know
Speaker 2: who fucking opens for him.
Speaker 1: Pre pandemic eye opened. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And it is that like he is real like quiet
Speaker 4: about his ship. He goes and does the thing. He's
Speaker 4: got a wife, he's got a family. Yeah, he just
Speaker 4: kind of does. He surfs every day. He's like really
Speaker 4: on his own ship.
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, I want like like I have
Speaker 2: a family whatever, I get to skate every morning, blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. Then I go out and I do I
Speaker 2: go on tour all that ship blah blah blah. Like
Speaker 2: and I think to put a button on it. Sony's
Speaker 2: not gonna kill us. They're looking at us like you
Speaker 2: don't even think they're looking at it looking yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: catch someone, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I also feel like my story dude boy, he's
Speaker 1: talking ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the David boy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Sierra Leonian fat immigrants, they're not.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, like what a relatable story. I
Speaker 2: wonder what they saw our bank accounts, what they would
Speaker 2: think maybe, like that's about right, right.
Speaker 1: I can't see numbers.
Speaker 2: I have never seen numbers that small. Where's the commas?
Speaker 1: Where's the one comma?
Speaker 2: I didn't know they only did one more than one
Speaker 2: to count? Okay, cool?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we did it. Tell the people where
Speaker 1: they can find you.
Speaker 2: What Chappelle Lacy on Everything, tickets at Chappelle Lecy dot com.
Speaker 2: Just come to a live show. That's all I asked.
Speaker 2: That's all I think we all ever ask, you know,
Speaker 2: but yeah, pretty much all that you got.
Speaker 1: Cool guy jokes eighty seven on Instagram. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't really. I don't really have ship right now. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't really have ship. I'm doing a don't tell
Speaker 1: in January. I don't think people even come to those though, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think they'll feel it, whether you puppet or not.
Speaker 1: In San Diego.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you feeling one. Yeah, I'm filming one. Oh yeah, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it'll be fun.
Speaker 1: You're gonna kill it there, You're gonna kill it.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: Uh, you can follow me at Langston Kerman.
Speaker 2: Weird guys. Oh, we're happy for you. Yeah, you're gonna
Speaker 2: You're gonna do great things. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1: Sony's gonna kill me and Sony is gonna kill you. Uh.
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