WEBVTT - Did Sony Kill Michael Jackson (with Shapel Lacey)

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<v Speaker 1>The problem with this podcast is you can't tell for

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<v Speaker 1>good guys or bad guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which I think that's great yea. And we don't

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<v Speaker 2>leave people guessing. We don't need to know everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah we don't know what I mean, we don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to know everything anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need to know anything.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't unpack it on the car ride home.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>I find myself saying things on here sometimes where I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe I do feel that, and that's funny, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's good, that's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I erres racist, lay the money stuff I can't tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't say my ship is why? Because you sound crazy?

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<v Speaker 1>Got the beat doing flips like Chappelle, lazy, Welcome Mama's

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<v Speaker 1>and Gentiles. I like to another phenomenal episode my mama.

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<v Speaker 4>Told me Yo the podcast where we dive deep deep

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<v Speaker 4>into the pockets of black conspiracy there.

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<v Speaker 1>And we don't prove ship nothing, not a goddamn thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I seen that. I see that. That's a real song.

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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy. You knew that.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, that's fire.

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<v Speaker 2>You actually never heard that a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm weirdough whoa how's that feel?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, no, al cool, cool man, I ain't never

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<v Speaker 4>been name dropped in the song.

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<v Speaker 1>No oh I once. I think I think somebody said

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<v Speaker 1>my name and I'm on one album. I'm Michael Christmas album.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, yeah yeah, shut out, shout out, Michael christ

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't like a dis track though, right.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, it did. I was being funny

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<v Speaker 1>and it did feel like when Dave Chappelle was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they always want me to be like you stepping some

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<v Speaker 1>dud dudes flat, Yeah like that. It was like playing me,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was I was the joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what I mean, but not like you

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<v Speaker 2>were being played. No, no, no, no no.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a happy medium because.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, you know, yeah, no, that's a flex. That's

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<v Speaker 4>pretty pretty cool. I think I think everybody should celebrate

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<v Speaker 4>anytime they end up on music.

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<v Speaker 1>I worried that my first rap bar was gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>like a derogatory thing and I would have to be

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<v Speaker 1>mad at it. That was you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pick myself apart for

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<v Speaker 1>your entertainment, so sure, you know what I mean. But

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<v Speaker 1>like there's some similis and metaphors that could be made

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<v Speaker 1>at my expense pretty easily. I got you, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was what the worry was. But he didn't go like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, okay, so you've both landed very nicely in your careers.

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<v Speaker 1>Congratulations. Yeah you're gonna get one. I'm surprised you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>got one yet. We all pray differently, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like that differently. We can't. We just accept

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<v Speaker 2>that you're differently differently. I like that no one ever

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<v Speaker 2>says that. Nobody, No one says that. No, it could

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<v Speaker 2>add a lot of wars. It got a lot of war.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I just think it's different than you.

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<v Speaker 2>We just pretty different. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I do consider myself a hero of this story.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I said the thing that nobody else was brave

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<v Speaker 4>enough to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, prey different. What if that ended wars? Right now?

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<v Speaker 2>If they listen to this, just heard like, oh, very different,

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, oh, we're gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Need a lot more people to find it. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think we have a huge other country following.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, sometimes you never know when something goes viral, bro

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<v Speaker 2>I said that. I never know. Sometimes something wuld just

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<v Speaker 2>be something that will just crossover and all of a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden you're like, oh, now, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I was just in Japan and somebody was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a big Mandal fan, and I was like and anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you got fans of Japan? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Four days later, four days later.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks, thanks for keeping in touch man.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a fair modest man there. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah I didn't. I didn't. I didn't have fans at

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<v Speaker 2>the show.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, in four days to text your number to

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<v Speaker 1>other people.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, oh shit, he had.

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<v Speaker 1>Me under the wrong name. I know that because I

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<v Speaker 1>had him under the wrong name for a while. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you to be fair? Yeah, I had him under this

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<v Speaker 1>other guy's name. And the other guy text me and

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<v Speaker 1>was like, hey, do you want to come through the

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<v Speaker 1>show tonight? I was like, why it's bandaling Denver.

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<v Speaker 4>Out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I have one to start. Yeah, kick it off.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think Africa is gonna get its due until

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<v Speaker 1>we re release these maps. Everybody always talks about how

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<v Speaker 1>big it is. I ain't seen not one new map ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you know what I'm saying. Everybody's like, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 1>the maps are wrong. We all know it. You could

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<v Speaker 1>fit three Canadas inside Africa. Blah blah blah blah, blah,

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<v Speaker 1>not one new.

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<v Speaker 5>Map you go to every squow everywhere, it's still the

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<v Speaker 5>like like we're all just like acknowledging it and then

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<v Speaker 5>refusing to do anything about it.

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<v Speaker 4>They won't show us, show me the real version. Then

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so sick of the old version.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the thing. Think about it the way. So

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<v Speaker 2>the thing is, Africa is bigger than what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>way bigger. It's way bigger.

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<v Speaker 4>Apparently is twice the size of I think South America

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<v Speaker 4>or some ship.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like crazy, Well, I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Whether when y'all get running water, you gotta stay focused issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>But seriously, I've been people been telling me since I

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<v Speaker 1>was a kid, right, and but not one that's like

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<v Speaker 1>a thing that if that's understood, shouldn't that be immediately

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<v Speaker 1>a reissue. It's such a I demand a recount.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you say we all from Africa? We are?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that is maybe some of us more

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<v Speaker 1>than there's right. I was just kidding.

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<v Speaker 4>Strong enough the table, if I had the strength, this

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<v Speaker 4>would be, this would be.

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<v Speaker 2>That's sure, this would be where Luca comes from. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it's a debating way my freedom in front of me.

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<v Speaker 4>Now you're deciding my future. Maybe you're not better than

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<v Speaker 4>the whites. Okay, maybe you're just the same as they are.

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<v Speaker 1>He said it, he said it, he said the quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>Part out loud. You heard him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what a good time. But I do think that

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<v Speaker 1>that's crazy. It's like it's no knowledge, everybody knows it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's been no depths.

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<v Speaker 2>I I change it. I agree.

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<v Speaker 4>I think there's almost like this this this undermining of

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<v Speaker 4>our intelligence in a way that feels like an attack

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<v Speaker 4>on our person.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you know what I mean, like Africa, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>want us to know.

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<v Speaker 4>But also now you're okay, yeah, you're even willing to

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<v Speaker 4>show me that that that these things are true and

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<v Speaker 4>you're still not going to do anything about it.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the psychological war.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the crazy thing. We're just like they're just

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, yeah, yeah, we know, what are you gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do about it?

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<v Speaker 1>I like the map the way it is exactly. We

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<v Speaker 1>like Europe to. We like Europe to look way bigger

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<v Speaker 1>than it's supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Europe, Yeah, I think we made it as

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<v Speaker 4>big as we like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's how it feels, That's how it feels. And

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<v Speaker 1>like I'll be honest, I got this because I watched

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<v Speaker 1>the whiz Kid doc last night whatever that it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter where I got it from, right, Yeah, because they

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<v Speaker 1>said that, yeah, and I was thinking about it. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, damn, that is true because then they also

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<v Speaker 1>this guy also said in the wiz Kid doc. He

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<v Speaker 1>was like, colonization means my people don't we don't dream

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<v Speaker 1>in our own language, and it hurt my heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, I dream in English.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, listen, I love that because when

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<v Speaker 2>I found out all we were all from Africa was

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<v Speaker 2>from Boys and the Hood an opening scene when well,

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<v Speaker 2>but some people, Yeah, when he was teaching the class,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, we all from Africa.

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<v Speaker 1>But then some people would claim I ain't from Africa.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm from krish Yeah. You African booty, which is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody scratches booty.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody scratches booty. Yeah, why did you see? I don't

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<v Speaker 2>feel bad. Why did they have to be African?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it flows so nicely, it feels like music, and

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<v Speaker 1>and if you've never used it, if you've never had

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<v Speaker 1>the pleasure, it's what a beautiful song it was.

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<v Speaker 4>I understand we don't get to sing it anymore, but

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<v Speaker 4>when I sang it oh did it sing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I guess today hails from Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do, the fine state of Arizona. You haven't

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<v Speaker 2>had anyone say that to me before.

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<v Speaker 1>I and I stand on it. I've had times there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've had times there too.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I've had weird times, but I've had some fun

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<v Speaker 1>times there. Are you from Phoenix or Phoenix.

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<v Speaker 2>Like outside of Phoenix, Okay, area called Mesa.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I actually ask you an interesting question now that

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell Chappelle lazy sorry podcast year, I have a boy

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<v Speaker 2>who is Oh, shout out to Aaron. He opened for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron, ye from Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>We we were, do you know what black Aaron?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, black Aaron. Yes, of course. Okay, suffer Aaron, Aaron,

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<v Speaker 1>we're from Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a in Arizona. Take you directly to where we're from.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the closest to our native climates. Uh. I Remember

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking to him and he was telling me,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm not framing this in a way that he

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<v Speaker 1>would appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll throw it out.

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<v Speaker 1>He was saying, it's a very common thing for black

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<v Speaker 1>dudes in Arizona to have fucked some white guy's wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he said, it really happens a lot, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, that's crazy. Thoughts thoughts, no comment.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think that's kind of like anywhere, you

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<v Speaker 2>know anything, Yeah, because like I don't like there's times

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<v Speaker 2>I've been at like I'm a flying nigga, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, Like I look good, bro, and I

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<v Speaker 2>my little brother is a flipper. He gets it done.

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<v Speaker 1>That changes a lot, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing is is like like and I think Aarry

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<v Speaker 2>Spears talked about it in an interview too. There's something

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<v Speaker 2>weird like at a meet and greet when like like

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<v Speaker 2>a dude and his wife, oh yeah, you know, specifically

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<v Speaker 2>a white couple when they walk up and then they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>uh no, I know, just get a picture with her.

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<v Speaker 2>And then like I want to take the picture, and

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<v Speaker 2>then and then and then they're like, yo, fucking put

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<v Speaker 2>your home around here. I'm like, yeah, like bro, wife,

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<v Speaker 2>but they want me to like fucking and then she'll

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<v Speaker 2>put her hand on my chest.

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<v Speaker 1>She's so into it, and she's like cooking him in

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<v Speaker 1>front of you. It's like she's like he doesn't need

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the picture.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And you're like, it's just like weird, and like

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<v Speaker 2>the way they pose with me, it's like.

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<v Speaker 4>So those ones that that they don't keep the husband out,

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<v Speaker 4>but she like squeezes you too tight in the photo.

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's like she's like trying to touch you in

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<v Speaker 4>a way that isn't what we all agree is normal

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<v Speaker 4>for everybody in.

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<v Speaker 2>A round now an Aaron's standpoint, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>it's like the cooking way or whatever. But also like

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't grow up hooking up a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>So like right, right, okay, so you missed out, So

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<v Speaker 1>I missed out Like me either, I was not having

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<v Speaker 1>as much sex.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so he was. He was probably you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I say he did it, Yes, he said it was

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<v Speaker 2>like but also I would be shocked. Everyone was mad. Weird, bro,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems it's a weird. It's a weird place for like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, just anybody to grow up in.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems. It also seems like I was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>you about this when you were asking me about Desert

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<v Speaker 1>Ridge improv where it's like the sexuality in the desert

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<v Speaker 1>there's something about it that's weird, Like everybody's brain gets

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<v Speaker 1>scrambled or something like it feels like there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>couples where it's just like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, in the Desert Ridge area, if you're in

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<v Speaker 2>that area, yeah, yeah, and that's where it's because there's

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<v Speaker 2>a there's like a there's like a milf bar where

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<v Speaker 2>like you like, young guys go and older women go

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<v Speaker 2>and they meet up to like fucking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's not like a common for a bar.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not we should get into it. It might be

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<v Speaker 2>like Blue Martini or something like.

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<v Speaker 1>That, ye strip.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, well when the how's it com Yeah yes,

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<v Speaker 2>right over there there, yeah, and you don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Blue Martin was like, hey, this is

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<v Speaker 2>what we're doing, right, I think it just happened, and.

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<v Speaker 1>She can keep she can move around here, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And with older women who isn't yeah right yeah, oh

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<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah the older woman bro, it's like, uh because

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<v Speaker 2>on the schedule and they're just like, yo, I need

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<v Speaker 2>to hear it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's very clear.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to pick up my kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro. When you're younger and you do it too, you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you're like you feel like you found a

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<v Speaker 1>cheat code.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah almost, you know. Yeah, Yeah, I'm married now, Hell.

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<v Speaker 4>Congrats, I forgot that we haven't addressed this at all

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<v Speaker 4>on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm like, yeah, it's weird, but yeah it's not weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Like she's the love of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. Like, yeah, we're still having a big.

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<v Speaker 1>Wedding, but they did like they did a small court

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<v Speaker 1>nown wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah hell yeah, yeah that's my favorite one comedians getting married, bro.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it feels like he's not supposed to happen. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like it's not It feels like it's not

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be that. Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Last long time. Now we're gonna find you love through

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast. Yeah, we're gonna get you back to the

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<v Speaker 1>Blue Martini.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Chapelle.

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<v Speaker 4>You You came with a conspiracy theory that I think

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<v Speaker 4>is a little more layered than we're going to lay

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<v Speaker 4>it out a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of layers, a lot of layers, because it's like it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>But but for the simplicity of getting the conversation started,

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<v Speaker 4>you said, my mama told me.

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<v Speaker 1>Sony kill Michael Jackson.

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<v Speaker 2>And my mom did say that, she said it for real.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't say that she probably thinking though.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom, my mom would say that Tupac.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom would always say Tupac still alive. She was

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<v Speaker 1>a big one. I hated that one because I knew

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't. Yeah, but I felt there was something in

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<v Speaker 1>my soul. But I get why people would think that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like almost like what do you call it?

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<v Speaker 1>Materna be the word.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there was something, there was something quality, quality

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<v Speaker 2>that he had that like it was hard for people.

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<v Speaker 1>We did see the footage of the fight before. No, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't mean simply because of like his his choices

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<v Speaker 4>day to day.

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<v Speaker 2>I think just like I mean, Britain's got a baby, bro. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that way. Everybody go, damn, I remember listen

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<v Speaker 2>to that, you know what I mean. I'm not I

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<v Speaker 2>keep mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's why we're all here together, because none

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<v Speaker 1>of us are.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not Brenda.

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<v Speaker 1>And he did make it sound so cool in love

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<v Speaker 1>with the molester that section are crazy. It's just like

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<v Speaker 1>a good line.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you know, yeah, yeah. I don't know if he

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<v Speaker 2>had one twelve or Joasy whoever.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who's saying. I think Joe.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to say it was j Yeah, No, it

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<v Speaker 4>might have been I don't think it kind of sounds

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<v Speaker 4>like them though, but I don't think it was all.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that was. That was how do you

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<v Speaker 1>want it? Yeah, that was how do you want to see?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when Jos was like, we're gonna go to death

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<v Speaker 2>Row or you know, it's Casey and Jojo, Casey and Jojo,

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<v Speaker 2>Well do you realize they were with bad Boy and

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<v Speaker 2>death Row? I I did you.

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<v Speaker 1>Really realize that until you said it? But they could

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<v Speaker 1>do anything. I do feel that about.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that crazy?

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<v Speaker 1>Specifically Casey and Jojo? I think they they can do

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<v Speaker 1>with them, all things are possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like, but the driving force was uh DeVante? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>whoa it was Dave Hollister. No baby mama drama.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Brenda's got a baby?

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<v Speaker 2>No? But he you Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Cam stopped fronting on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Hollister too.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, he's from Chicago, right, Uh is Dave?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so?

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<v Speaker 1>Also a fat guy? Right? Definitely not you got it

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<v Speaker 1>if you like, if you like Chicago. That's just what

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<v Speaker 1>I knew most about him.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you are listing other Drakes that I wasn't immediately

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<v Speaker 6>associating with Dave Holliser, But absolutely fat was the.

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<v Speaker 1>One that I didn't know he was from his hometown though. Yep, damn,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not great.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I'm not proud of. I know Jimmy Eat World

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<v Speaker 2>is from Mesa. Come on, I know where they are,

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<v Speaker 2>I know where they're located, I know everything we are

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<v Speaker 2>all growing in.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the way that you said Jimmy Eat World.

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<v Speaker 1>You said Jimmy eat World, which is how I read it.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah accent, yea, exactly. Some that's just a more

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<v Speaker 1>sophisticated way to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But the reason why, yeh, the you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy on this, Like there's just something with the music

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<v Speaker 2>industry that just seems so devilish to me. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just it's not just Michael, but like obviously, like

0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.040
<v Speaker 2>that's like one of the bigger things. And just the

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<v Speaker 2>way you hear an artist talk about like the music industry,

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<v Speaker 2>and like, I mean, Michael was very outspoken about things

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<v Speaker 2>with Sony. Uh there's that one video where he was

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere I don't know if it was like award show

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<v Speaker 2>or something. He was speaking at it. Uh, and uh

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<v Speaker 2>there's a he's holding up a sign that says Sony

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<v Speaker 2>kills or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought that was

0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:59.239
<v Speaker 2>photoshop no, no, And then yeah, but there's this thing

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<v Speaker 2>about it because and you know, Michael was like I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Michael was trying to do his thing. He was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to own ship. You know, he's good. I think Michael

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<v Speaker 2>looked at things like, well, why can't I own that too?

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<v Speaker 1>He bought the beat.

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<v Speaker 2>Beatles catalog, but like like but it wasn't just like

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<v Speaker 2>the Beatles that he had, Like he had Sony ATV

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever the termins whatever, but he had like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a percentage of Sony that I think Sony was like

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<v Speaker 2>damn bro, like he got us like we need this

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<v Speaker 2>shit back, you know what I mean? And like I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think there's things that were pushed out

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<v Speaker 2>to like kind of like come at Michael, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean? You know yeah, I think I think

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<v Speaker 2>also like the album he recorded in two thousand and one, Invincible,

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<v Speaker 2>the album, which is a great album, and everyone's like

0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.120
<v Speaker 2>this is such an underrated album because like Sony didn't

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<v Speaker 2>not help him on the rollout with it. They weren't.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't like they didn't do anything for him on it.

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<v Speaker 4>I will say that by that point in his career,

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<v Speaker 4>Michael Jackson releasing felt uneventful in a way that it

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<v Speaker 4>had never existed before that. Like everything before that, you

0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:13.560
<v Speaker 4>were like, god, damn, Michael Jackson came out.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember, yeah, suddenly this album. It was like when Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson dropped anything. It was like everybody rushed home. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna like, look at this on the TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember the time on Fox?

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<v Speaker 2>Bro?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I remember, I remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember who was doing that. Bro.

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<v Speaker 1>It was huge and then it started and you were

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<v Speaker 1>like Magic Johnson and Eddie Burphy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Now now if I'm playing Devil's Advocate, there is any.

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<v Speaker 2>Bring up the Lion kids. Oh they're still pretty sad.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Let's give.

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<v Speaker 4>Him a couple more years, because I think they're gonna

0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:04.160
<v Speaker 4>start smiling soon.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the kids may have.

0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.560
<v Speaker 4>Soured a public sort of like taste on him. But

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<v Speaker 4>I also think, if again I'm playing conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 2>Games, yeah, I mean that's what I love about this conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>That is also a strategy that I a conspiracy theorist,

0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.800
<v Speaker 4>might argue, Sony, activated.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we think and this is this is truly like

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<v Speaker 1>a question for everyone. His reputation was already changing before

0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:43.160
<v Speaker 1>the kid accusation, the wacko jacko and the changing his hair,

0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:47.040
<v Speaker 1>his skin and puling babies outside of windows.

0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:54.840
<v Speaker 7>That was way later. I don't want to scary babies.

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<v Speaker 7>He's justin Arry. Thought of you being out that scars.

0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:14.080
<v Speaker 7>But you gotta do that with the world. This is

0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:19.200
<v Speaker 7>how you become strong. But like, I think that two things.

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<v Speaker 7>He's a weird guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, he was a weird, weird weird which would listen,

0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:26.720
<v Speaker 2>which is fair to say. I think it's very fair

0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:28.439
<v Speaker 2>to say, like, And I think that's why it was

0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:32.040
<v Speaker 2>easy to like pinpoint, like to do these certain things

0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:34.480
<v Speaker 2>to him, Like it's I mean, the wacko jacko, like

0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:37.600
<v Speaker 2>the change of the skin tone, all that stuff. But

0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:40.320
<v Speaker 2>like obviously we know, like we all know where he

0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:45.000
<v Speaker 2>comes from, right, he comes from Gary, Indiana hood, but

0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:48.480
<v Speaker 2>like not even just Gary, Indiana, Like he didn't like

0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:49.840
<v Speaker 2>he didn't even have to deal with the hood.

0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.560
<v Speaker 1>He had to deal with Joseph. That's the biggest going

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the hood in Cardiff.

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<v Speaker 2>Bout it bro.

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<v Speaker 4>He had every version of the experience he was he was,

0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:11.200
<v Speaker 4>he had no hope and then he had the most hope.

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<v Speaker 4>The most hope in in a fucking boy's lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, just said.

0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:19.840
<v Speaker 4>Eight years, that's all it took for him to go

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<v Speaker 4>from absolutely nothing to to heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>Bro.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the scale of that, when you say it like that,

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<v Speaker 1>I never thought about it, because the scale of that

0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:31.399
<v Speaker 1>is like where do you where do you continue to

0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:33.480
<v Speaker 1>go with the life that's on that trajectory?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean by the time he was in his mid twenties,

0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.280
<v Speaker 1>he probably truly did not remember being poor like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he was never poor.

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<v Speaker 2>He was rich longer than he was poor. Bro.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why he had to make himself look like a

0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:47.560
<v Speaker 4>kitty cat.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 8>You conna just say no, no, no. That's why he

0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:57.760
<v Speaker 8>had to make himself look like a leathery kitty cat

0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:00.679
<v Speaker 8>is because he couldn't. He's like, I look in the

0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:02.600
<v Speaker 8>mirror and that is not me anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I am.

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<v Speaker 4>I've ascended beyond the life that I once had. I

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:11.000
<v Speaker 4>can't look at this working class as face that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean, there's so much mental that like

0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:17.880
<v Speaker 2>he dealt with. There's there's so much questioning and things

0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:22.719
<v Speaker 2>that are running in his head. Would mean there's just

0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:25.920
<v Speaker 2>no there's just no way he could have like and

0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 2>also if he came out normal, I don't think we

0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:32.560
<v Speaker 2>would have had had Like there's because there's a level

0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:34.640
<v Speaker 2>of your brain where like you're so like mentally, like

0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:38.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's just like these things that you just

0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:39.359
<v Speaker 2>hear whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>But to your point, heal the world is a psychopath

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:53.440
<v Speaker 4>song in anybody else's hands.

0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 1>They're all psychopaths song. Yeah, it's just he are you okay?

0:24:56.880 --> 0:25:01.600
<v Speaker 1>What the is he? He's he past words, he grew

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's just saying stuff because he.

0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Could and we all were like that ship type because

0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, like it was it was

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:14.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean just to get We're like, I mean, yeah,

0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 2>I kind of understand his brain and like like where

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:30.360
<v Speaker 2>you like mentally, my more search is mature, bro, give

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:33.320
<v Speaker 2>me the mature I sweek the other way, Give me that,

0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 2>give me victim, give me that wrinkle.

0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:40.760
<v Speaker 1>My problem is they're too old basically for what I'm

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:41.320
<v Speaker 1>trying to do.

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:45.840
<v Speaker 2>You know I'm talking about in the sense of like

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:50.240
<v Speaker 2>like because I grew up in abusive stepfather, right, he

0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:52.000
<v Speaker 2>want to know Joe Jackson, I'm like, damn, bro.

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.800
<v Speaker 9>No, you don't do this. It's like you got a

0:25:56.800 --> 0:26:00.120
<v Speaker 9>bad one too, and you me walk you do. You're like,

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 9>maybe you should have turned up a little bit.

0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 2>But that psychological like and the way it fucks with you. Now,

0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:08.879
<v Speaker 2>I can only imagine what it's like to not have

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:11.600
<v Speaker 2>your childhood as well, right because I still had a childhood.

0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:14.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm still outside of skateboarding. I'm geting stocked up a

0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:16.040
<v Speaker 2>time or two. But I'm like, all right, man, I

0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:18.679
<v Speaker 2>got my skateboard, you know what I mean. But like

0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:23.159
<v Speaker 2>he he was just go, go, go, entertaining, entertaining, entertaining.

0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:26.360
<v Speaker 4>And he lost his childhood to a man who aspired

0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:29.200
<v Speaker 4>to the dream that he is beating into them.

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was it was that was Joe's dream he

0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 1>was a musician. Which that's kind of kind of hurt too.

0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 4>I think that's why that's why you.

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I don't mean to not villainize Joe Jackson,

0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:45.240
<v Speaker 1>but it does kind of be like, Bro, that's gotta

0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:46.479
<v Speaker 1>be a crazy head fuck too.

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:47.720
<v Speaker 2>The idea that.

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Like you, you still wanted it, Bro, the whole time,

0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:53.240
<v Speaker 1>you still wanted it.

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:55.479
<v Speaker 2>The fact that you said that, like, like, that's all

0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:56.879
<v Speaker 2>I think about it with my stepfather, like me and

0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:58.760
<v Speaker 2>my stuff that we cool, you know what I mean, Like,

0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:01.200
<v Speaker 2>because I learned a lot about man. Then I learned

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:03.479
<v Speaker 2>a lot about him. I learned that, Like I was like, oh,

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 2>he went through like kind of the same ship. He

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:07.199
<v Speaker 2>was kind of doing what he was young when he

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:09.840
<v Speaker 2>came my life. He was only he was only seventeen,

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:12.119
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. It's like so it's like

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 2>they're like, what did he really know? He didn't know anything,

0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:16.440
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. So he just he just

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 2>knew what what happened to him. So it's like I

0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:20.320
<v Speaker 2>think he was just like, oh, I think this is

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:26.119
<v Speaker 2>how you do it. You know what, I'll do that

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:32.240
<v Speaker 2>too much. Stop talking boy, Stop talking the boy. What

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:34.880
<v Speaker 2>are you doing? Get out? Get out of that Fred

0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 2>go to school. Yeah, nigga.

0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:46.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like like you think, I think to some extent

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 4>you've it sounds like you found at least an empathy

0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:54.400
<v Speaker 4>for that person. I think we I think we could

0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:59.440
<v Speaker 4>always be moving with that empathy and still be acknowledging like, Bro,

0:27:59.560 --> 0:27:59.880
<v Speaker 4>you were.

0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:02.600
<v Speaker 1>A bad guy. You were fucking.

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:07.360
<v Speaker 4>And that sucks that you had to grow through that

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:09.920
<v Speaker 4>and and find yourself there. But end of the day,

0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 4>Joe Jackson can be an empathetic figure and a bad dude.

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:15.760
<v Speaker 2>And I wonder I wonder if they eventually got to

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 2>the point, uh, like his children eventually got to the

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:20.720
<v Speaker 2>point where they had the empathy for him, you know

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:23.919
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, Like I don't know, I don't you know,

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 2>but like it seems that I have like a very

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 2>very soft spot spot for like the Jackson's in general.

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I mean it does seem like it's

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 1>just like their trauma cases, right.

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the one idiots, And then you just had

0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 2>to entertain bro and yeah, it was like dance dance.

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Even Jermaine. You you look at Jermaine and you.

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Go, a, we all is the hair. We can all agree.

0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:02.960
<v Speaker 4>We can all agree that wouldn't Joseph Joseph a beat

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 4>that into.

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 1>You know what that was Jermaine. You know what's crazy

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:10.480
<v Speaker 1>is Jermaine is I don't think he was an early

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 1>standout Jackson in the way that like, at least in

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 1>our childhood, it was always Tito was the one who

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 1>caught the jokes. Yeah, but you know what I mean.

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Because Michael, you brothers building, that man would come up

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 2>on them backups, you know, yeah, was on groove. Yeah,

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean he had this ship.

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Tito was I felt like was the one who

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of Jermaine has the run and I'll be there.

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 1>The fucking is that Jermaine? Yeah, that's Jermaine. If there

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:42.080
<v Speaker 1>was if there was another dude singing, it was Jermaine,

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 1>it was.

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was always Jermaine.

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:43.760
<v Speaker 4>Man.

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 1>That would be hard to because you're like, what do

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 1>I do? My little brother is and and Jermaine sounds good.

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Jer Like, like, I know Michael was talented, but the

0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 2>motherfuckers was talented.

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying. Jermaine the one who tried to

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Jermaine is the one who said that his brother tried

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:06.080
<v Speaker 1>to block his career. They because of that, right, Yeah,

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 1>but but Michael, do you imagine beefing and Michael Jackson

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 1>at the height, but Mike can't win.

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 4>Michael would would then like turn it into bits because

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 4>of them beefing, because of how far he had ascended

0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 4>past Jermaine. He would like go on award shows and

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 4>be like, I just want to thank all my brothers

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 4>and Jermaine for.

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 1>All their love and support.

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 4>That's why people would laugh in the room because they

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:30.440
<v Speaker 4>knew Jermaine couldn't do a thing about it.

0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 1>That's gotta be and that's your brother that that would

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 1>make me a villain more than what happened to Michael.

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Also, I think it's cool that that's the beef you

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 2>get to have with your brother, like like those two guys,

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 2>like they get to have that level of beef. Yeah,

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 2>my brother. It's just also with the cereal bro bro

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 2>that was you know what I mean starting bro y.

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 1>He also keeps saying, and I recently found out my

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>brother's algorithm is it's like you find out the similarity

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 1>some twisted ship my brother the littlest I like that.

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, funny. Does he listen to us?

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 1>I think he listens to clips sometimes in the way

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 1>that yeah, I don't mean, I just don't want it

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>to bum him out.

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 4>If he's that cool where he's like on something twisted

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 4>at that age and he can kind of like, yeah, he's.

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Very funny in a way that I'm scared of, which

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 1>is like the best kind of funny.

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like yeah, yeah, wow, like they had the beef

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 2>of like I think it's Beautiful'll walk you bro, Yeah, bro,

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 2>you don't.

0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Think that sucked?

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Come on, that's for Jamane. Yeah, I'm saying. That's what

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. I guess the public is also seeing it too.

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:51.720
<v Speaker 2>That's what I mean. Could have been the Black Joker.

0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:54.720
<v Speaker 1>We kind of got lucky, we got right, should have

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:57.240
<v Speaker 1>been the Black Joker. Maybe the hair is the worst

0:31:57.320 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 1>he he could do had he taking any of that

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 1>energy into weapons.

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 4>All that right, because he's already he's already making it

0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 4>into like a precise missile. His hat is a spear, yeah,

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 4>which if he were if he were to sharpen a

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 4>piece of metal.

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 2>This is the most dangerous crazy because they got beat

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:18.480
<v Speaker 2>with structure.

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:24.800
<v Speaker 1>I feel like this is turning into a Joe Jackson appreciated.

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying in that episode with a

0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:32.280
<v Speaker 4>moment for a moment of silence for Joe.

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 2>There's there's a difference. I know, I know it's discipled,

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:38.840
<v Speaker 2>a wild thing to say, but you said it.

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Neither of us said it because.

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 2>Talk about it. Oh boy, when they feel like we're wrong, right,

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 2>we're just like, I'm okay with being wrong. I'm just saying,

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 2>like I was just thinking about it, because you said,

0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 2>like he didn't put the energy into like guns. Yeah,

0:32:57.640 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 2>you know some guys that get beat with no structure.

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Then it's like, I'm gonna get a gun since they

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 2>gotta beat with structure, that's probably why he didn't you.

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 2>So that's what I know. I know, I threw it

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 2>out there and crazy.

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 1>No, I see what you're saying.

0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 2>But I was just like, it's almost like if you're

0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 2>gonna beat your kid, beat your kid into something. Yeah right, yeah,

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 2>I got beat just running around the house loose, That's

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:20.840
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying.

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 1>And now I'm out here espousing crazy opinions. Maybe you

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 1>should have been making me dance.

0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly exactly.

0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Dance can be a form of can be help me,

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 1>help you.

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 2>As a as an alumni of child abuse?

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 1>That's that's and I got it.

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:42.240
<v Speaker 2>I got it.

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 1>I got it, Duke, I don't know. I don't even

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 1>have my tools. Yeah, run, what have you been doing

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 1>this whole I fucked up. I didn't know he was

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 1>gonna drop a bar that hard. The man said something

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 1>really good and now you've disrupted.

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 2>That was crazy. No, it's just it's just a very

0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 2>yeah that I'll take that. And uh, but you know,

0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 2>to the to my point, though, like I think I

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 2>think what everyone was able to do was to take

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:09.440
<v Speaker 2>because they knew so much about them, like you know,

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 2>like they knew like like he was doing interviews early on,

0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:16.400
<v Speaker 2>like I think maybe before Thriller dropped, or he was

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 2>talking about like things that happen, you know, like them

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:21.400
<v Speaker 2>getting beaten ship like that they like it was it

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 2>was pretty much out there, right, you know what I mean. Yeah,

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 2>like even in the nineties when they dropped the VH one,

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:31.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Jackson Family American Dream Movie. Oh Jason

0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Weaver had three part series or whatever. Yeah, like you know,

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:37.360
<v Speaker 2>like it was obvious, like what happened to him. We

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:39.560
<v Speaker 2>still were like in that music type though, you know

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:41.839
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. So like so I think there was

0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 2>just things that like someone some someone who's up there

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 2>in the industry saw what they could use, you know,

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:52.359
<v Speaker 2>like taking like their life story and all this ship

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:55.319
<v Speaker 2>and like messing with it and like using it kind

0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:57.480
<v Speaker 2>of against them. It's like, this is why he's crazy.

0:34:57.680 --> 0:34:59.759
<v Speaker 2>I will say, you know what I mean, Like I

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 2>I'll say, I.

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Do wonder right because I hear what you're saying. I

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:05.960
<v Speaker 1>also think that the way that entertainment was structured at

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 1>that time, because it's so fractured now, it's almost like

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the industry will never have to deal with another person

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:16.279
<v Speaker 1>as powerful as a Michael Jackson or a prince or

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:19.320
<v Speaker 1>whoever could get because it's just not set up that anyway.

0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Like it's almost better, it's almost better for them that

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>it's as fractured as it is now. Yeah, I mean

0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:27.799
<v Speaker 1>I think, like, who has Michael Jackson power right now?

0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:30.359
<v Speaker 4>I think in some ways, Michael Jackson became like a

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:34.719
<v Speaker 4>sacrificial lamb for a more manageable type of celebrity.

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Damn, you know what I mean, Like a Beyonce.

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:41.239
<v Speaker 4>Beyonce is able to stay a lot more sort of

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:44.800
<v Speaker 4>mentally grounded, whatever you decide that means. It's a different

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 4>conversation because she watched what what that did to a

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 4>different man when she went like she was.

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:54.439
<v Speaker 2>Out there, She's not out there.

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 4>It's like, how you know, there were a bunch of

0:35:56.719 --> 0:36:00.560
<v Speaker 4>certain types of injuries in the sixties that now we

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 4>have the technology to keep sports players from experiencing. We've

0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:09.360
<v Speaker 4>just improved the technology so now famous it may not

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:14.359
<v Speaker 4>be as big, but it is way more functional than Yeah, it.

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Almost should be. It almost should be niche Yeah, yeah,

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:22.239
<v Speaker 2>because yeah, because like Beyonce is like mystique, like a

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:24.520
<v Speaker 2>lot of her information ain't just really out there.

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Like and a lot of people not a lot of people,

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 1>But I feel like people are less aware of Beyonce

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:32.880
<v Speaker 1>than they were of Michael Chat Like, you can live

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 1>a life and not intake Beyonce. I don't think you

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 1>could do that in a real like. I think everybody

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 1>heard Thriller, regardless of if you liked it.

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:49.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean his his rollouts were insane. Yeah, his rollouts

0:36:49.440 --> 0:37:03.960
<v Speaker 2>or something. His rollouts drop an hour special on that's

0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 2>jam problem.

0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 1>You ain't been asking for.

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 2>The right stuff. That's not a issue being Indonesia. But

0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 2>this ship like that like.

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:16.400
<v Speaker 4>That, Yeah, I watched the clip the other day of

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 4>he's on some like crane. He's like singing on top

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:23.840
<v Speaker 4>of a crane, shirt blowing in the wind, and a

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:28.439
<v Speaker 4>fan literally climbs the crane and and grabs onto him

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:32.799
<v Speaker 4>while he's like swinging on this single stare like one

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:33.759
<v Speaker 4>person can fit on him.

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 2>He's like holding the fan so he doesn't fall, and

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:39.560
<v Speaker 2>the fans just like she this this or dude, I

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:40.080
<v Speaker 2>can't remember.

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:44.399
<v Speaker 4>He's like hugging him and kissing him and and will

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 4>not let go. And Michael doesn't break character for a second,

0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:50.440
<v Speaker 4>he grabs this dude by his waist and turns him

0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:53.640
<v Speaker 4>around and he now he's holding the man from the back.

0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I forget what song he was singing.

0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:58.400
<v Speaker 1>It's there's a song that he got to be doing all.

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:05.040
<v Speaker 1>It's the coolest ship I've ever seen in my life.

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh bro, his production and all, like like the way

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 2>he thought about like this is how we're going to

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.919
<v Speaker 2>execute this ship. Like he said something that I thought

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:15.600
<v Speaker 2>was so dope that I think any like you know,

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 2>anyone that's a performance artist like like whatever, like take

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:21.400
<v Speaker 2>he said something like we want to take people on

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 2>an adventure, an adventure. I'm like, damn, it's like what

0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 2>you know? Like this is what that looks like to

0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 2>take people on an adventure?

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:33.319
<v Speaker 1>Will you be there? That entire song from beginning, Dane Man,

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:35.799
<v Speaker 1>we listened when we were when we were moving back

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:37.799
<v Speaker 1>to l A. Me and I want to listen to it.

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:44.080
<v Speaker 1>I keep driving through Utah. I was gonna cry a

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:45.760
<v Speaker 1>scenic round. It was amazing.

0:38:46.040 --> 0:39:03.399
<v Speaker 2>We were next I'm Only Human, I tell you goes

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 2>in with law Bro. That song is insanely like I

0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:10.440
<v Speaker 2>cried walking like I was just walking out. I was

0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 2>walking a silver like walking like on a far walk,

0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:15.399
<v Speaker 2>and I just started crying to go, what the fuck

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 2>is going on? Bro? It just hits you, Like.

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:20.319
<v Speaker 4>There are Michael Jackson songs that I would listen to

0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:23.760
<v Speaker 4>more often, but I get uncomfortable with the emotional state

0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:24.719
<v Speaker 4>that it launches me.

0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:27.759
<v Speaker 1>And Bro, I get that girl.

0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:33.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's breaking my brain.

0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:40.360
<v Speaker 2>It's just Jam. Good you though? Jam is so And

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 2>that's where he throws a shot at Jermaine on Jam

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:47.160
<v Speaker 2>on Jam, what is the first verse? Oh, damn, something

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:50.239
<v Speaker 2>like my brother or something like that.

0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Like, I don't even think about words when I think about.

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 2>It, I think I think it's in I think it's

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:56.200
<v Speaker 2>in Jam. Okay.

0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 1>When I think about Jam, I just I don't even think.

0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Of what it's right.

0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, isn't Eddie Murphy in that video?

0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 2>No, Jordan's.

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Remember the times? Eddie Murphy?

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Remember?

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Also, what's that video with Eddie Murphy and Michael Jackson?

0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:19.839
<v Speaker 1>What's up with you?

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:24.839
<v Speaker 2>What's uh? What's uh? What's up? Yeah? Very strange ending

0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:28.160
<v Speaker 2>to that video. Well, you've had the lyric.

0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:33.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm singing an AI overview that I don't find satisfactory.

0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:37.200
<v Speaker 4>It just says no, It's like, no, I ain't do that,

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:42.680
<v Speaker 4>but I'm trying to find it now, Okay, well you're searching.

0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 4>It was earth song Michael was singing when he saved

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:45.960
<v Speaker 4>that fan. It was.

0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:52.319
<v Speaker 1>Thank you damn. That is an earth a song.

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:54.000
<v Speaker 2>That's a song.

0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't even man, I don't think there were a

0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:00.279
<v Speaker 1>lot of humans who could even handle that as well

0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:00.839
<v Speaker 1>as he did.

0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, while we're here, Jermaine's comments on Michael. Even though

0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 4>Michael is very talented, a lot of his success that

0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:10.719
<v Speaker 4>has been due to timing and a little bit of luck.

0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 4>It could have been him or it could have just

0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 4>as easily been me.

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Come on, Jermain Lugerma. He put it this way. I'll

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 2>tell you what you can say that, Jermaine, and I'm

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:28.880
<v Speaker 2>gonna and I'm gonna I'm gonna throw back at you,

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:32.320
<v Speaker 2>even though he probably said this in the nineties, Michael Jackson.

0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:42.280
<v Speaker 2>The thing is is, like, you know, that was probably

0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:45.440
<v Speaker 2>just like emotions, that was all that was probably irrational.

0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 2>You know. The thing is is like Michael worked in

0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:51.360
<v Speaker 2>a way that I don't think most fucking people do.

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Like there's this there's this one video on YouTube of

0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Michael in the studio, and I think it's he's recording

0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 2>the song jam and I think it's the part where

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:06.239
<v Speaker 2>he goes damn. I think he recorded it, like I

0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:09.400
<v Speaker 2>don't know, like multiple fucking times, right, and he was

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 2>sitting there with the whoever's working the soundboard and he'd

0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 2>go here, he would go go to number forty three,

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 2>go to this number. Let me hear that. Like it's

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 2>just because he was trying to find the perfect one, right,

0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Like he recorded it in like forty times. Bro, Yeah,

0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:27.640
<v Speaker 2>that's impressive, Like, like, who's working like that? I mean

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 2>exactly heard on the joke five times? If it doesn't work,

0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:38.520
<v Speaker 2>that's how we are. Yeah, who's working like that? Crazy? Yeah?

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, I mean he was. He was a product

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 1>of all of it for sure.

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:48.000
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So I found a website that is tracking the beef.

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:52.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah that like sort of has a full like breakdown

0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:53.319
<v Speaker 4>of some of the beef.

0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I wish Reddit was around when they were beefing. It

0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:56.840
<v Speaker 2>would help us out.

0:42:57.360 --> 0:43:00.800
<v Speaker 4>It does get a little crazy. So part of it

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:05.560
<v Speaker 4>is a marketing strategy that they layout against Germaine that

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:09.399
<v Speaker 4>like they when they go solo or sort of start

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:12.200
<v Speaker 4>doing like their own solo record. So Michael Jackson got

0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 4>to be there. It's his first solo record and it's

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:19.520
<v Speaker 4>released January of nineteen seventy two, and Jermaine's album Jermaine

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 4>is released in August of the same year.

0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Because for them, it was probably like you know, so

0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:29.279
<v Speaker 1>it was a market dog out right.

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 4>I think they were fucking yeah, you know what I mean,

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 4>Like it might have been a marketing strategy, or it

0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:37.879
<v Speaker 4>might have just been like, well, if you will give

0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:40.160
<v Speaker 4>you a record deal, find Jermaine, but we're not.

0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:42.760
<v Speaker 1>We're not giving you a separate rollout.

0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 2>We're not going to go which is you Honestly, it's

0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:47.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of a bummer because, like I do think Jermaine

0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:50.879
<v Speaker 2>is like fucking talented, bro. He was talented, yeah yeah,

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:53.359
<v Speaker 2>And like it's just such that his brother was so

0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 2>massive to where like it was like you can't even like.

0:43:57.600 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Any other family held.

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:01.359
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like like the Jacksons weren't like the Wu

0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Tang clan where all the motherfuckers can just like put

0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:06.320
<v Speaker 2>out solo records and it's like dope, you know what

0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying.

0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:08.400
<v Speaker 4>It's where it gets even crazy. You've been at de

0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 4>Barge again in nineteen seventy three, Michael Jackson's Music and

0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:17.160
<v Speaker 4>Me is released in April of that year. Uh, and

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:20.479
<v Speaker 4>Jermaine's Come Into My Life was released in May.

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:24.120
<v Speaker 1>They gave this nigga a month come on to breathe

0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:27.120
<v Speaker 1>after Michael Jackson released.

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Now we'll bring it back to this. The music industry

0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:31.799
<v Speaker 2>and the way they fuck with people, right, yeah, they

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 2>fuck with r Yeah, because they have that kind of control. Bro,

0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 2>I think about that. I can't tell you how many,

0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:38.799
<v Speaker 2>like I got a lot of homies that are like,

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:41.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, musicians and shit like that. They've made records

0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:44.799
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. And I can't tell you how

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:46.360
<v Speaker 2>many times they do this thing where they give you

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:49.240
<v Speaker 2>this advance, right you know what I mean. They're like, Okay,

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:51.359
<v Speaker 2>here's here's two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to make

0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:53.680
<v Speaker 2>a record. It don't cost them two hundred and fifty

0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:56.080
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars to make a record. Yeah you get that money.

0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:57.640
<v Speaker 2>You're like, oh shit, we got two hundred and fifty

0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:00.480
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars. And like you tell some some you know,

0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:03.919
<v Speaker 2>artists who who's starving artists who really is like trying

0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:06.520
<v Speaker 2>to like think, oh here's my big break I get

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:08.000
<v Speaker 2>to make like they give me two hundred and fifty

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:11.040
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars. You know, they just spend that shit. Meanwhile,

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 2>they probably only paid, you know, tend to make the

0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 2>record maybe or whatever. Right, and then all of a

0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:20.040
<v Speaker 2>sudden they're like, all right, man, we got to recoup

0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:24.800
<v Speaker 2>that marketing costs. Yeah. Like that's why so many artists

0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:27.400
<v Speaker 2>are just like doing it themselves. That's why they're learning

0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:30.520
<v Speaker 2>how to work these like uh these programs to where

0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:32.960
<v Speaker 2>they can you know, studying to be they're not just

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:36.239
<v Speaker 2>like musicians now now they're like you know, producers and

0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:37.919
<v Speaker 2>all this shit as well, you know what I mean.

0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:41.239
<v Speaker 1>And that's my problem with the internet is whereas I

0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:43.719
<v Speaker 1>can't learn another I got it edit here.

0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:47.800
<v Speaker 4>Here's where it gets even nastier is that they say

0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 4>that part of it is that like when Jermaine got

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:54.800
<v Speaker 4>married to Hazel Gordon, Hazel, he knows Hazel. He stays

0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:58.799
<v Speaker 4>in the Motown family, and that is what he has promised.

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:02.880
<v Speaker 4>Michael Jackson's career is what they were working on to

0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:07.040
<v Speaker 4>build through Motown, like he was about to premiere as

0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:12.400
<v Speaker 4>like the new sexy, cool, amazing artist born of the

0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 4>Jackson fame. This is Jermaine's version of it, and then

0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:20.160
<v Speaker 4>Michael beats him to it, right, Michael gets to off

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:22.880
<v Speaker 4>the wall faster. The brothers are now separated. There are

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:26.200
<v Speaker 4>quotes of Michael being like, Jermaine and I were, We

0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:28.680
<v Speaker 4>were as close as any two people could be. And

0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 4>it feels like a loss of my own limb to

0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:35.080
<v Speaker 4>like lose my brother to a love kind of thing.

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:39.239
<v Speaker 4>And so he's claiming. Jermaine has a literal quote where

0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:43.400
<v Speaker 4>he goes like he basically is saying, like Michael got

0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:47.040
<v Speaker 4>to it before him and made sure that Jermaine was

0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:49.160
<v Speaker 4>never able to get his run at the thing.

0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 1>That's Jermaine saying, Hey, Michael known for doing some cold

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 1>shit like that. That that does seem in character to me.

0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:02.440
<v Speaker 1>That was supposed to be that does. That's why I stayed.

0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:10.319
<v Speaker 2>At believe it, Michael brother, you look.

0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:13.759
<v Speaker 4>At but once Michael beat me to it, he made

0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:15.399
<v Speaker 4>sure it would only be him.

0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Jermaine Jackson, Listen, all he knew how to be was

0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 1>a dog. That's all he had.

0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:26.440
<v Speaker 2>He du Yeah, Like, I mean the guy was a dog.

0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:29.360
<v Speaker 2>That's that's I mean, what's your I'm talking about? Like

0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:32.000
<v Speaker 2>doging away like like he was like I'm gonna be

0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 2>that guy.

0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:38.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Quincy Jones called the Macabelian like, like, yeah, he was.

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:40.840
<v Speaker 1>He was because he was like a business sabbage.

0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:44.359
<v Speaker 4>Imagine how crazy you have to be to walk into

0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:46.839
<v Speaker 4>a room and then open your arms.

0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I mean?

0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:50.000
<v Speaker 1>That's not natural.

0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:52.960
<v Speaker 4>You walk into a room and you open your arms

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:54.360
<v Speaker 4>and then people swarm you.

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 1>That's that's not how human beings behaved. That he was.

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:04.080
<v Speaker 4>Say God, now we can talk about what God means

0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:07.759
<v Speaker 4>that it isn't. I'm not saying he is above the

0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:11.359
<v Speaker 4>Lord himself, but my God, I can't do this.

0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:13.560
<v Speaker 1>That's that's he.

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like he he created that Broyeah created that,

0:48:17.520 --> 0:48:19.120
<v Speaker 2>He created that energy, Like.

0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:21.759
<v Speaker 1>Is there is he the biggest star that the world

0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:23.120
<v Speaker 1>had ever seen it to that point?

0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:24.040
<v Speaker 2>I think so?

0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:27.439
<v Speaker 1>Over the Beatles? Yeah, I mean I think I think

0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:29.000
<v Speaker 1>he did hold him out.

0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:31.040
<v Speaker 2>A little bit. Yeah, I mean, but like I think

0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:32.160
<v Speaker 2>if ever there was.

0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:35.239
<v Speaker 4>A celebrity bigger, they were not famous because.

0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:36.040
<v Speaker 1>We like them.

0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:40.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like I think Khan was a celebrity, right, but

0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:43.759
<v Speaker 4>I think he really bummed people out right right right.

0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I think they were like, fuck, I heard Genghis might

0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:48.160
<v Speaker 1>be coming, y'all.

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:51.399
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think they knew there was a bad thing

0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:53.600
<v Speaker 4>on its way and they couldn't do nothing about it.

0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:57.120
<v Speaker 2>God, I mean the fact that like that that video

0:48:58.040 --> 0:49:00.959
<v Speaker 2>I think I think it's nineteen Mike Jackson nineteen ninety

0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:04.160
<v Speaker 2>two and uh, how do you say boot crist like

0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:07.439
<v Speaker 2>Chris Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Uh, and where it's

0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:11.399
<v Speaker 2>like the most famous video ever this this concert where

0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:15.240
<v Speaker 2>he jumps out from the stage, stands there five minutes.

0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:19.320
<v Speaker 2>The crowd is screaming, screaming. He's just looking. You almost

0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:21.440
<v Speaker 2>don't even know if it's actually him because he's standing

0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:24.319
<v Speaker 2>so still right and he's got his shades on. And

0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:27.280
<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden, he like like three minutes

0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:30.960
<v Speaker 2>later he turns his head and then another uproar happens

0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:34.120
<v Speaker 2>super Bowl, like what the hell? Yeah, what are you

0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:37.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna do with? Like how do you even? And people

0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:38.440
<v Speaker 2>are fainting passing out.

0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people died because of Michael Jackson. Bro. And then

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:43.120
<v Speaker 1>he just like went to bed that night.

0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's like God, yeah, That's what I'm saying, Like, God,

0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:53.600
<v Speaker 2>it's crazy, it's crazy like that. I mean, I don't know,

0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:55.439
<v Speaker 2>I don't know any other artists I could like pull

0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:58.719
<v Speaker 2>that off to where you're like, you know, I've seen

0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:01.560
<v Speaker 2>some amazing concerts where people like go crazy.

0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:03.200
<v Speaker 4>And I'll say this, and we do have to take

0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:07.480
<v Speaker 4>a break, but I will say this, the greatest artists

0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:11.600
<v Speaker 4>possibly ever are the product of Jehovah's witnesses.

0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:15.239
<v Speaker 1>We've we've talked about that on here before. We have

0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:16.760
<v Speaker 1>talked about that on here before.

0:50:17.520 --> 0:50:20.440
<v Speaker 2>They they cook. I got it.

0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I think they got something. They got it. I think

0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:25.200
<v Speaker 1>they got something pretty good going.

0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:31.200
<v Speaker 4>On, Prince, just statistically, and I'm not gonna era out

0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:33.839
<v Speaker 4>other names that I know necessarily, but there there there

0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:34.640
<v Speaker 4>are quite a few.

0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:36.480
<v Speaker 2>We can we go to break before we get too

0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:37.040
<v Speaker 2>far into this.

0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Yeah, we're gonna take a break.

0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:41.840
<v Speaker 2>No, she tried to save us, and I appreciate that.

0:50:44.480 --> 0:50:47.560
<v Speaker 1>All Right, We're gonna take a break. More Shapelle, lazy more,

0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:48.400
<v Speaker 1>my mama told me.

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:02.920
<v Speaker 10>But we're gonna do disrespectfully otherwise will end in a duel,

0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:05.919
<v Speaker 10>and I mean a duel, real life duel where only

0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:10.239
<v Speaker 10>one person walks away. We can meet with guns, bottles,

0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:14.400
<v Speaker 10>knives or books and equations, but we're going to do

0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:17.720
<v Speaker 10>this like man, So get.

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:19.360
<v Speaker 2>Ready, I'm ready.

0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:23.279
<v Speaker 1>We're all back. Welcome back to my Mama told me,

0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:29.279
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, and Bottles is maybe the

0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:30.759
<v Speaker 1>craziest one of all those.

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:34.200
<v Speaker 2>What movie is that?

0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:36.799
<v Speaker 1>That's not Oh no, no, no, that's right, brother, that's them

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:37.440
<v Speaker 1>just talking.

0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:47.600
<v Speaker 4>Nobody else wrote that monologue that was of his own creation.

0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:54.399
<v Speaker 4>You would think, no, it felt like it, brother, that

0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:57.000
<v Speaker 4>you're confusing one genius with another genius.

0:52:01.000 --> 0:52:02.040
<v Speaker 1>They are both geniuses.

0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Damn. I guess I just accepted.

0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:10.239
<v Speaker 1>I bought this bottle to this equation fight. Yeah right,

0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:14.280
<v Speaker 1>I got all these books.

0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:16.600
<v Speaker 2>He's got guns.

0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I'd never considered that they would have guns. That an

0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:28.919
<v Speaker 1>equation fight, not an equation equation fight.

0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:29.919
<v Speaker 2>Oh man.

0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Anyways, Likeston did some research. We did.

0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:37.800
<v Speaker 4>We're talking about the possibout ability that Michael Jackson was assassinated,

0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:40.440
<v Speaker 4>and one of the things that you talked about was

0:52:40.480 --> 0:52:43.600
<v Speaker 4>his ownership of Sony that like, he had a major

0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:48.120
<v Speaker 4>stock in Sony, had an active beef with Sony on

0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:53.080
<v Speaker 4>multiple occasions, and that beef actually left him in a

0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:57.600
<v Speaker 4>situation where I think he sold his share or his

0:52:57.880 --> 0:53:02.200
<v Speaker 4>assets in Sony eight or whatever it was called, for

0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:07.000
<v Speaker 4>one point two billion dollars to them. It sounds like

0:53:07.080 --> 0:53:10.879
<v Speaker 4>Sonny buy's steake in Michael Jackson catalog valuing rights over

0:53:10.960 --> 0:53:13.960
<v Speaker 4>one point two billion dollars. Oh but no, this is

0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:20.680
<v Speaker 4>in twenty twenty four that his estate sells the rights. Yeah,

0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:24.880
<v Speaker 4>that they they they acquire it. They bought it basically

0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:27.480
<v Speaker 4>for one point two billion dollars. But up to that

0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:32.319
<v Speaker 4>point he had essentially one point two billion dollars worth

0:53:32.360 --> 0:53:33.680
<v Speaker 4>of some shit that they wanted.

0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:40.240
<v Speaker 1>And then as estate sold it, people sold it. Yeah,

0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:40.920
<v Speaker 1>the estate.

0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:43.520
<v Speaker 4>Finally, the deal, which is likely worth at least six

0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:46.759
<v Speaker 4>hundred million, includes half of the Late Stars publishing and

0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:48.800
<v Speaker 4>recorded Masters.

0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:49.000
<v Speaker 2>His stuff too.

0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:53.279
<v Speaker 4>It's valued at that one point two billion, and they're

0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:55.680
<v Speaker 4>saying it's probably going to sell for or at the

0:53:55.680 --> 0:53:58.000
<v Speaker 4>time was probably going to sell for six hundred million.

0:53:58.320 --> 0:53:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh got it, got it.

0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:01.000
<v Speaker 1>So they get the getting it for cheap.

0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:04.239
<v Speaker 4>Basically this thing that they know is worth more than

0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:05.399
<v Speaker 4>one point two billion dollars.

0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:07.680
<v Speaker 2>I know that's I was literally thinking that. I was like,

0:54:08.440 --> 0:54:11.879
<v Speaker 2>why do I feel like one point two is like

0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:15.239
<v Speaker 2>like light, like it feels light. And then.

0:54:17.560 --> 0:54:19.560
<v Speaker 1>And then they cut in half. They've only paid six

0:54:19.640 --> 0:54:22.840
<v Speaker 1>hundred million. That's why you need the dog around.

0:54:23.160 --> 0:54:24.320
<v Speaker 2>You need a dog, You need it.

0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Joseph.

0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah. True.

0:54:28.239 --> 0:54:29.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't mean to go back to that.

0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, yeah, you need.

0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:38.799
<v Speaker 1>Because at that point money is just an idea and

0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:40.080
<v Speaker 1>money is just power.

0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:42.680
<v Speaker 4>And I think that's what Michael was able to do

0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:44.440
<v Speaker 4>the entire time he was alive.

0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:47.719
<v Speaker 2>You'll say no, but you know, then to bring into

0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:51.520
<v Speaker 2>like the newer age or whatever. It's like, uh, trying

0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:53.160
<v Speaker 2>to make this all I kind of tie it a

0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:55.800
<v Speaker 2>little bit together. But like when Taylor Swift and I

0:54:55.840 --> 0:54:58.960
<v Speaker 2>think it was like her first four or five albums

0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:01.600
<v Speaker 2>or whatever it was like, and like she wasn't getting

0:55:01.640 --> 0:55:04.320
<v Speaker 2>the masters or anything to that, she just went re

0:55:04.480 --> 0:55:07.800
<v Speaker 2>recorded it Taylor's version, right, Yeah, she went re recorded

0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:10.040
<v Speaker 2>it and told her fans not to listen to the

0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:12.200
<v Speaker 2>old ones and to listen to the new ones, which

0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:15.279
<v Speaker 2>I think is a very gangster move because because here's

0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:17.319
<v Speaker 2>the thing, here's the thing that like people don't like.

0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:19.560
<v Speaker 2>I think so many people don't like. Sometimes they make

0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:22.640
<v Speaker 2>us forget that we have the audience. They don't know

0:55:22.680 --> 0:55:24.560
<v Speaker 2>who you are. They don't know who you are in

0:55:24.600 --> 0:55:26.680
<v Speaker 2>the building, they don't know who you are behind the desk.

0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:29.839
<v Speaker 2>They know who I am. And if I say do this,

0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:32.040
<v Speaker 2>you know they like me. So much and they funded

0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:35.600
<v Speaker 2>me so much. Say I've earned these uh this audience

0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:37.279
<v Speaker 2>trusts they're going to do that.

0:55:37.440 --> 0:55:40.759
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I got I got thirty barbarians ready to move.

0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:50.080
<v Speaker 2>Let me just let me just I mean, but like,

0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:53.200
<v Speaker 2>imagine if Michael did something like that, oh like to

0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:54.640
<v Speaker 2>where he could just change up the game and be like,

0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:57.120
<v Speaker 2>all right, I got you and I do for him.

0:55:57.600 --> 0:55:58.799
<v Speaker 2>I would still kill for him.

0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:02.160
<v Speaker 4>And I do think that if I represent a corporation,

0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:07.080
<v Speaker 4>a giant organization that cannot control the way that my

0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:10.000
<v Speaker 4>music is consumed and could be all threatened by a

0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:14.400
<v Speaker 4>dude who hates my guts, maybe I want you dead. Yeah,

0:56:14.719 --> 0:56:19.040
<v Speaker 4>maybe I want you accused of crimes that that maybe

0:56:19.040 --> 0:56:21.840
<v Speaker 4>you do commit. But now I'm making it public because

0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:24.560
<v Speaker 4>that was a ditty shit, right is Like Diddy has

0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:28.759
<v Speaker 4>been on this misbehavior tour for a lifetime, but it

0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:33.080
<v Speaker 4>wasn't until supposedly he got in bad blood with the

0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:36.600
<v Speaker 4>owners of Surak and sort of refused to play ball

0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:38.880
<v Speaker 4>on some shit that they wanted to do with that

0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:42.839
<v Speaker 4>larger sort of umbrella company that then finally people went

0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:45.120
<v Speaker 4>all right, well, if you ain't gonna play with us,

0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:48.279
<v Speaker 4>now people are going to know how you move. Now

0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:51.640
<v Speaker 4>people are gonna start seeing videos and hearing your business and.

0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Say, that's kind of what happened with that Drake shit too.

0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:58.960
<v Speaker 4>I think mad crazy, and I think the dangerous thing

0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:02.200
<v Speaker 4>we would do is go like that absolves these individuals

0:57:02.239 --> 0:57:03.160
<v Speaker 4>of whatever they did.

0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:07.960
<v Speaker 1>That's not really it was what's like the specifics of

0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:09.520
<v Speaker 1>it he was about. He was it was like a

0:57:09.520 --> 0:57:13.480
<v Speaker 1>two million dollar deal right with Universal. I do know

0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:15.279
<v Speaker 1>that I put it out there now, I didn't know

0:57:15.320 --> 0:57:18.200
<v Speaker 1>it as well as I thought. But the timing of it,

0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:22.240
<v Speaker 1>the timing of it, of the whole takedown was also.

0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:24.080
<v Speaker 2>So your springboarding, all the timing of things of like

0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:26.280
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah. But I but I but I I

0:57:26.320 --> 0:57:28.160
<v Speaker 2>think I've always heard that like did he was kind

0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:29.439
<v Speaker 2>of like a no.

0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:31.720
<v Speaker 1>I think it was a quiet secret for sure.

0:57:32.040 --> 0:57:35.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying that that there's a reason that suddenly the

0:57:35.120 --> 0:57:37.920
<v Speaker 4>law is getting enforced around him in a way that

0:57:38.000 --> 0:57:40.520
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't that it was the fact that you're able

0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:41.880
<v Speaker 4>to be like, oh my whole life.

0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:44.400
<v Speaker 1>I heard he was kind of a while dude.

0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:47.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it means that like so did the so did

0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:52.480
<v Speaker 4>the cops they chose when they were r Kelly. Yeah,

0:57:53.400 --> 0:57:56.480
<v Speaker 4>the girl that he peed on went to my high school. Man,

0:57:56.640 --> 0:58:02.280
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't bro it wasn't. This wasn't like a secret

0:58:02.320 --> 0:58:02.680
<v Speaker 4>at all.

0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:05.880
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know like that I remember being a kid.

0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm not hearing about him being on but like we

0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:09.120
<v Speaker 2>just kind of like.

0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Wanted to see.

0:58:12.320 --> 0:58:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Out loud dog.

0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:16.280
<v Speaker 4>Beyond that, if you wanted to see R. Kelly, go

0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:19.720
<v Speaker 4>to rock and roll McDonald's on a Saturday and you

0:58:19.920 --> 0:58:23.400
<v Speaker 4>a team will be there where he is also trying

0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:29.480
<v Speaker 4>to find teens. It was just understood like Robert Kelly

0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:32.400
<v Speaker 4>likes to hang out at the rock and roll McDonald's.

0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Where teams be at in the in the epicenter of downtown.

0:58:39.400 --> 0:58:41.360
<v Speaker 2>So so so what do you what do you think

0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:42.960
<v Speaker 2>it was with him as far as like was there

0:58:43.000 --> 0:58:45.280
<v Speaker 2>something with his music as far as well they're like

0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:47.800
<v Speaker 2>all right, R Kelly, now we're gonna get you. Yeah,

0:58:47.880 --> 0:58:49.160
<v Speaker 2>like what was the timing on? Well?

0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:51.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think I don't know enough about like the

0:58:51.840 --> 0:58:55.160
<v Speaker 4>way that that his music deals and contracts and all

0:58:55.160 --> 0:58:57.160
<v Speaker 4>this stuff work, but I do know that for a

0:58:57.240 --> 0:59:00.640
<v Speaker 4>long time he represented a big, big money grab in

0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:01.280
<v Speaker 4>the industry.

0:59:01.480 --> 0:59:02.320
<v Speaker 1>He wrote music for.

0:59:02.400 --> 0:59:06.080
<v Speaker 4>Mariah Carey, Celean Dion there he was.

0:59:06.160 --> 0:59:11.400
<v Speaker 2>Did you get your shots? Come on? Would you see?

0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:12.560
<v Speaker 2>That's when I think they went.

0:59:14.640 --> 0:59:16.200
<v Speaker 1>He's singing about sex trafficking.

0:59:16.320 --> 0:59:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we got to stop.

0:59:19.960 --> 0:59:35.520
<v Speaker 11>It's my favoriteport.

0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:35.040
<v Speaker 4>Girl, Would you like to come back with drop to

0:59:35.120 --> 0:59:35.800
<v Speaker 4>an ABC.

0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:45.240
<v Speaker 1>At one point he was calling himself the pied piper

0:59:45.880 --> 0:59:50.200
<v Speaker 1>he was and our faces wearing Zoro mats.

0:59:50.000 --> 0:59:53.080
<v Speaker 4>And I think that everybody was fine with that so

0:59:53.240 --> 0:59:56.120
<v Speaker 4>long as their pockets were lined a certain way.

0:59:56.560 --> 0:59:57.480
<v Speaker 1>And I think at some.

0:59:57.600 --> 1:00:01.680
<v Speaker 4>Point the wrong people And now R Kelly is especially dumb,

1:00:02.120 --> 1:00:06.160
<v Speaker 4>and he was documenting himself on hard VHS's like, I

1:00:06.440 --> 1:00:07.960
<v Speaker 4>think there's a.

1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Level these cans just be filming.

1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:12.080
<v Speaker 4>I think there's a level of stupidity that that Diddy

1:00:12.400 --> 1:00:13.080
<v Speaker 4>even had.

1:00:13.160 --> 1:00:14.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, Diddy was.

1:00:14.160 --> 1:00:18.280
<v Speaker 4>On some very savvy trafficking he was on some some

1:00:18.440 --> 1:00:21.800
<v Speaker 4>other ship. R Kelly was a real dirt dog about

1:00:21.800 --> 1:00:23.800
<v Speaker 4>it and made it easy for people to be like,

1:00:24.080 --> 1:00:25.960
<v Speaker 4>hey man, you're in absolute monds.

1:00:26.000 --> 1:00:28.120
<v Speaker 2>So these motherfuckers know what these guys are doing, and

1:00:28.160 --> 1:00:29.560
<v Speaker 2>it's just like, hey, you fuck us over.

1:00:29.600 --> 1:00:32.720
<v Speaker 4>I'm I think one hundred percent, yes, yeah, I mean

1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:35.120
<v Speaker 4>I think that's like, especially when you reach a level

1:00:35.120 --> 1:00:35.760
<v Speaker 4>of notoriety.

1:00:35.800 --> 1:00:38.880
<v Speaker 1>How do you hide anything, Jason? You know what I'm saying, like,

1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:41.840
<v Speaker 1>how do you hide in? How what's he doing where

1:00:41.880 --> 1:00:43.720
<v Speaker 1>nobody can talk or see? You know?

1:00:44.560 --> 1:00:48.520
<v Speaker 4>Jay Z did two albums with him, and one of

1:00:48.520 --> 1:00:52.000
<v Speaker 4>them came after were it was like, all right, cool,

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<v Speaker 4>you good, let's let's get back to work. Unfinished business.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, after the Yeah, that's why it was unfinished.

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<v Speaker 2>Same girl. Nobody.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anybody is like, yeah, we we just

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<v Speaker 1>it comes up, we talk about we talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>great she was, like she really had it, had it

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<v Speaker 1>hear the story, Yeah, that's summer of her life.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I guess that is an interesting point. You

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<v Speaker 2>always see there's this thing that like that happens when

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<v Speaker 2>people were just like, oh, we're gonna put this out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't think that that absolves anybody. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think that these are good people that we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 4>but I do think that like the way that we

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<v Speaker 4>consume media has always been under the hand of someone else, truly.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe that's the beauty that the fact that we

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know who these people are, and maybe that's

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<v Speaker 2>what's good about them, and that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Why we can't know, we can't know who they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, that's what That's what I'm saying, Like, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that That's probably why works in their favor so much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like they don't know who we are. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>exactly who Michael Jackson is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. Now I can put a

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<v Speaker 1>button on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I could just Oh the guy that changes skin tone. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>trust this guy. Yeah, you trust this guy. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, don't worry about how much money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that also makes you makes it a

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<v Speaker 4>lot easier for you to roll out a new artist

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<v Speaker 4>over them or make them disappear, you know what I

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<v Speaker 4>mean To our point about Michael Jackson's that that album

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<v Speaker 4>with Invincible, Yeah, it's it's Hey, you are the most

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<v Speaker 4>powerful man on a planet. They show you walk into

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<v Speaker 4>rooms like this. Yeah, and we still have so much

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<v Speaker 4>money and so much influence. We can make it so

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<v Speaker 4>that not that many people fuck with it. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 4>you're still just one entity. They have the resources of

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<v Speaker 4>the machine. They control everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a conglomerate. Yeah, whatever you want to call it.

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<v Speaker 1>Patrol over press, that's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>They have the whole.

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<v Speaker 1>So like as much as you can do as one person,

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<v Speaker 1>they still have it's still a group. They could be

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<v Speaker 1>like write a bad review about this. Yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>group of it's a group. It's a group of protected interests.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's why I think it's absurd that people fully

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<v Speaker 4>deny the Illuminati. Like it's not that the Illuminati and

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<v Speaker 4>as an organization under that title exists, but the very

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<v Speaker 4>thought that, like the head of Sony doesn't have the

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<v Speaker 4>head of some oil company and the head of some

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<v Speaker 4>other company all tied in on.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, you got a lot of money, I got a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of money. List and money.

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<v Speaker 1>At some point the number is just equals to power, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's like you have you have six point

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<v Speaker 1>seven power, I have seven point four power. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>Well we gotta hang out, bro, and or we hate

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<v Speaker 1>each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>And think about how you become a billionaire. The only

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<v Speaker 4>way to become a billionaire is to diversify your portfolio

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<v Speaker 4>to such an extent that you can be a megan

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<v Speaker 4>millionaire in like eight different right, right, Like you have

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<v Speaker 4>to combine into fucking voltron of like nasty ship to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to make billionaire. Right, Michael Jackson very much

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<v Speaker 4>had his hands in eight different things that I bet

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<v Speaker 4>the head of Sony can make a phone call on

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<v Speaker 4>and go. We don't do Michael Jackson video games no more.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad. I just want to be a comedian. I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to Jos.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The thirst for power is like that'll really take you out?

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<v Speaker 1>How to really get you out of here?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I mean yeah, I mean it's it's just one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that just exists in our world. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>what am I going to do about it?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't got that dog in me. I'm not even

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even particularly savvy for what I'm doing now.

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<v Speaker 2>I well be a meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it have to be like hold on, what does

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<v Speaker 1>this mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I know? So stop. So it's always fun sharing me. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's always fun being an outside of this ship

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<v Speaker 2>because you're just like, oh yeah over there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's like, you know, I truly feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the type of person who would have got invited to

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<v Speaker 1>the Diddy party and not knowing what happened, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>would have left like your party was cool?

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<v Speaker 11>Ship?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what you like? All right, David later Man, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we got the uber right here, got home, happy ship.

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<v Speaker 2>You know I didn't.

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<v Speaker 12>I wasn't adding value to the rest of this. And

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<v Speaker 12>I think they know I wasn't going to go in

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<v Speaker 12>the room. I know I wasn't gonna go in there.

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<v Speaker 4>I will say that I do think that that is

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<v Speaker 4>the Internet is treating it as if Diddy, like if

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<v Speaker 4>you showed up at the party, this nigga locked the

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<v Speaker 4>doors and you had to get fed.

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<v Speaker 2>Think of the niggas weren't making it. Yes, they were leaving, brother.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people were crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be sure it was there, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>I think a lot of people were just happy to

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<v Speaker 4>be a part of a fun evening.

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<v Speaker 2>And then and then the light skin back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>he was the lightest one.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get no lighter.

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<v Speaker 2>Barge.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and spirit because the barge, the barge. They yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>they were light skinned, but they they'll they'll like fight you.

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<v Speaker 1>They were brothers, right, They operated like a gang. Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>they were.

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<v Speaker 4>They were sucking Chico in and out of jail to

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<v Speaker 4>this day. Yeah, they're committed to that. I ain't no fighter, baby,

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<v Speaker 4>he wouldn't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Get your hands off my mink like that.

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<v Speaker 2>He was on a whole different ways different broyh. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's man, it's yeah, it's crazy that Like I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just the world where I'm like, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I said, like, you know, looking at it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I can only tell you what I believe

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<v Speaker 2>in what I think after that, Yeah, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>got to do for yourself with with what you want,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And like, had you wanted to be there, you would

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<v Speaker 1>have had the instincts to get you there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't even have the instinct you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know what I'm saying. They even get over there.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like I've been working in showpingness for a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>truly have not seen that much crazy ship as it is,

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<v Speaker 1>it has worked for me, yeah you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I know people who have seen crazier shit

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, nah, I didn't even.

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<v Speaker 2>But also like also like we're we're I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, I mean, you know, quote me if I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>but like you know, uh when I say, quote me

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<v Speaker 2>from that right or let me know if I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm like, I mean, I'm such a guy like

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<v Speaker 2>and I feel like you guys like too were like

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<v Speaker 2>like I just be like nah to a lot of ship,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't have Like there's just just nothing in

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<v Speaker 2>me that makes me want to go let me go

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<v Speaker 2>do that over there now. I'm just like I enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>the things that I do. I go to concerts, I

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<v Speaker 2>go I have fun on stage, I'll go skate whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do that like that, Like I love having that life.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like I still feel like a normal dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't feel like I'm like you know people.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there's people that want to say hi and

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<v Speaker 2>take a picture. That's cool whatever. I'm like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know whatever. But like I love doing the things

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<v Speaker 2>that like I've always enjoyed doing living.

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<v Speaker 4>Your life exactly as you chose.

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's the thing. That's the thing, Like like all

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<v Speaker 2>of us have a choice, Like they all had a choice.

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<v Speaker 2>Could have been like I'm done after the judge.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta want to go, you gotta want to go

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<v Speaker 1>out there. Like we talk about just having to leave

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<v Speaker 1>the house sometimes, like we should, really we should, we

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<v Speaker 1>should really just be going out.

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<v Speaker 2>We gotta really alone.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have I don't have the taste for like

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<v Speaker 1>what the things you gotta do to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, when I like, when I get off stage at

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<v Speaker 2>whatever show I'm doing around town, that momentum I'm using

1:09:13.320 --> 1:09:16.000
<v Speaker 2>to walk off stage leads me right to my car. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm like, last time I saw you, you were

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<v Speaker 2>in your car leaving the comedy store. I get off,

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<v Speaker 2>get off stage, and I leave, you know, because there's

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<v Speaker 2>just something I think. It's like, Okay, this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is why I like to ship there. There's I saw

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<v Speaker 2>in an interview, Donald Glover said something that was so dope.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes, uh. He says something like like when you

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<v Speaker 2>wake up, when when you first wake up in the morning,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the most one you like before anything else, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you waking up in the morning. It's like you and

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<v Speaker 2>I and I thought about that in like another aspect.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, when I was like, when I get

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<v Speaker 2>off stage, I get my car, I go home to

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<v Speaker 2>like get get ready for bed, I'm like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure Pelasi the comedian anymore. I'm just a guy that's

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<v Speaker 2>driving home, you know, just getting ready for bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, everything that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was yeah, Like this crowd was just like, oh, you

1:10:07.520 --> 1:10:09.960
<v Speaker 2>know whatever, blah blah blah. Like when when I'm driving

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<v Speaker 2>home and like you know, it's it's it's literally just

1:10:13.520 --> 1:10:14.479
<v Speaker 2>exactly who I am.

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<v Speaker 1>All that stuff stays at the club. I think that

1:10:16.760 --> 1:10:18.960
<v Speaker 1>stays at the club. I think that's why sometimes hotel

1:10:19.040 --> 1:10:22.840
<v Speaker 1>rooms are so weird, because it's like you'll be in

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<v Speaker 1>the hotel room and you're just like watching Sports Center

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. Like I was just that ship fifteen minutes ago. Well, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean now I grabbed a sandwich. The worst time of.

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<v Speaker 2>I try to be cool. That's what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>The worst time of the night for me is that

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<v Speaker 4>like two to sometimes four hour come down from the stage,

1:10:49.840 --> 1:10:53.080
<v Speaker 4>where like my adrenaline is still spiked, like I'm still

1:10:53.240 --> 1:10:56.280
<v Speaker 4>up here like a motherfucker, like with what's moving through

1:10:56.280 --> 1:10:59.800
<v Speaker 4>my body. But my want is to sit and just

1:11:00.200 --> 1:11:03.200
<v Speaker 4>present with myself and not yeah, I mean I want

1:11:03.200 --> 1:11:05.599
<v Speaker 4>to fucking watch anime. I want to like get lost.

1:11:05.880 --> 1:11:08.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean bullshit, talk about it, bro, But.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I'm still like kind of buzzing while I'm fucking

1:11:11.200 --> 1:11:14.040
<v Speaker 4>watching Attack on Titan. And that's not that's not like

1:11:14.120 --> 1:11:14.839
<v Speaker 4>good energy.

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<v Speaker 1>That just happened to me. That just happened to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday night, I was just in the condo in New

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<v Speaker 1>Orleans and I was like yeah, yeah, and you're like

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<v Speaker 1>because like you get older and then it's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well you can't really get drunk like you used to.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't, like because the places you would have siphoned

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<v Speaker 1>that when you were younger that you didn't even necessarily know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, that's what was happening, you know what

1:11:39.000 --> 1:11:39.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? I think what it is for me is like

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<v Speaker 2>like I've never had anything like this, Yeah, you know

1:11:45.560 --> 1:11:47.599
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. So like when I when I think

1:11:47.640 --> 1:11:50.080
<v Speaker 2>about it, I'm like, bro, like how do I protect this?

1:11:50.280 --> 1:11:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Like this is like I get to like still do

1:11:52.880 --> 1:11:55.320
<v Speaker 2>the ship that I like always wanted to do. I don't.

1:11:55.400 --> 1:11:57.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't have to work, you know, a nine to five.

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<v Speaker 2>I can live off this.

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<v Speaker 1>I go.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like the luckiest guy in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>All what I feel. I feel like luckiest fuck you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. And like and even even if

1:12:07.720 --> 1:12:10.320
<v Speaker 2>you have those, like you go through a weekend somewhere

1:12:10.320 --> 1:12:12.519
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, hell, all right, man, They're like there's

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<v Speaker 2>you fifteen people, you know what I mean, And You're

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<v Speaker 2>just like, I ain't fucking fifteen people here were cool

1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:20.680
<v Speaker 2>with chill. I'm in a different city. Yeah, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Like people, fifty people in Cleveland know me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that wasn't gonna wasn't gonna happen. Wasn't gonna happen. Bro, Yeah,

1:12:29.080 --> 1:12:30.519
<v Speaker 2>that wasn't gonna happen. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, that's why we got to throw these things out

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<v Speaker 1>the window. That comparative man.

1:12:33.760 --> 1:12:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Comparative ship really does kill you. And it's like and

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of that, Like you know, I think, Yeah, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike had a fucking massive ego, bro had Like yeah,

1:12:42.800 --> 1:12:44.960
<v Speaker 2>you like to get that way, bro, you like you

1:12:45.120 --> 1:12:48.479
<v Speaker 2>have to like all these guys like have like these

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<v Speaker 2>even fifty cent. I love fifty and fifty cent cracking

1:12:51.400 --> 1:12:53.519
<v Speaker 2>me the funk up. But like like he has like

1:12:53.520 --> 1:12:55.000
<v Speaker 2>a massive ego to that, there's.

1:12:54.840 --> 1:12:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Just a huge ego, Like speaking against him on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Love, I'll pay, I'll pay. I'll pay you what I

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<v Speaker 2>owe you by Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>We respect you, Curtis.

1:13:13.439 --> 1:13:15.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean I would have I would have personally taken

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<v Speaker 2>the bullets out of Curtis myself if I could, you

1:13:17.880 --> 1:13:19.800
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, That's how I feel. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>I Yeah, if they're like, hey, the only way, the

1:13:23.320 --> 1:13:28.840
<v Speaker 2>only way Curtis can live. You gotta suck these bullets. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to have the own money, so yet

1:13:32.000 --> 1:13:33.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't want him to want him to make fun

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<v Speaker 2>of me. I will definitely don't want him to please

1:13:36.680 --> 1:13:39.640
<v Speaker 2>please please don't film this though, because he will use

1:13:39.680 --> 1:13:42.320
<v Speaker 2>it against me. Yeah. But no, like there's just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know, and I like we all have ego.

1:13:44.880 --> 1:13:46.880
<v Speaker 2>That's like you can't like get away from that. But

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<v Speaker 2>like I try to like maintain it to where I'm like,

1:13:49.640 --> 1:13:52.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like, hey, you're you're not on stage anymore, bro,

1:13:52.840 --> 1:13:55.040
<v Speaker 2>Well you know some people don't. Some people don't think

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<v Speaker 2>about that. It's like, bro, you know you're not on

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<v Speaker 2>stage right now.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I can't have my ego be backed

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<v Speaker 1>by is actual money. I have to just I just

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<v Speaker 1>have to keep it based in the quality of what

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm doing. Does that makes sense once I

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<v Speaker 1>attach the commerce to it, and then that idea is

1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, that's where all that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Where I die. Yeah, where I go.

1:14:17.680 --> 1:14:20.120
<v Speaker 1>Over there and I start those are the games I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to play.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that I always think. I always think there's a

1:14:24.080 --> 1:14:27.120
<v Speaker 2>thing like like naming your price. You know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all like what caused my prices?

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to be good. I'm really lucky. That's

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<v Speaker 1>all I have for me.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I found some comfort in the price being

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<v Speaker 4>joy and not joy. So as long as there's something

1:14:39.960 --> 1:14:41.640
<v Speaker 4>that that I'll be like, yeah, that would be a

1:14:41.640 --> 1:14:43.240
<v Speaker 4>fun ass time, I'll go do it.

1:14:43.400 --> 1:14:43.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not tripping off of whether or not this is.

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<v Speaker 4>And thankfully I have enough things that can pay my

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<v Speaker 4>bills that I can protect stand up at least in

1:14:52.280 --> 1:14:54.759
<v Speaker 4>that way where I go. If that will be fun,

1:14:54.840 --> 1:14:55.720
<v Speaker 4>then I will do it.

1:14:55.800 --> 1:14:59.519
<v Speaker 2>I will do it. It's nothing crazy, nothing out of pocket.

1:14:59.600 --> 1:15:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that yeah, I stayed. I stayed doing rooms. I

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<v Speaker 1>get on playing to do a room because I have

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<v Speaker 1>some other jobs. So yeah, like Dayton, Kentucky to do

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<v Speaker 1>what's the tapes?

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, that's in Louis fore Danon Kentucky. Has the Commonwealth?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, that's a fun room.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you about to get in the old church? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to commonwealth.

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<v Speaker 2>Shouts out commonwealth.

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<v Speaker 1>Hear you all say this. You have a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a great time, and it's weird. You're like

1:15:35.320 --> 1:15:38.760
<v Speaker 1>you how close Cincinnati is to Kentucky so close.

1:15:39.680 --> 1:15:44.639
<v Speaker 2>Also Dayton, Kentucky, I got not the most fun city

1:15:44.680 --> 1:15:47.360
<v Speaker 2>to be in, but just just hop across, you know,

1:15:47.840 --> 1:15:50.599
<v Speaker 2>home across that bridge over a little bit more fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I got you. There's just it's just so small. It's

1:15:52.640 --> 1:15:53.280
<v Speaker 1>just so small.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh oh yeah, Like Bro, I love going out

1:15:56.640 --> 1:15:58.479
<v Speaker 2>there and doing those rooms. Like Mike, why did you

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<v Speaker 2>go out and do a small room? Michael?

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, I think people literally would have shipped themselves

1:16:04.120 --> 1:16:05.760
<v Speaker 1>and they would have burned the building down.

1:16:05.840 --> 1:16:07.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Michael in an intimate room.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro, I don't think it never, if it ever happened,

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<v Speaker 1>think about that that.

1:16:12.640 --> 1:16:14.640
<v Speaker 4>I think I think it would have been irresponsible for

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<v Speaker 4>him to go into a small room.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, I think so.

1:16:17.960 --> 1:16:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Like Bro, I did some ship with Will Smith one time,

1:16:20.080 --> 1:16:23.000
<v Speaker 1>and they were like the casino was like, we can't

1:16:23.080 --> 1:16:25.200
<v Speaker 1>have him on the floor. We can't insure it. And

1:16:25.240 --> 1:16:26.400
<v Speaker 1>this was before.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure Yeah yeah.

1:16:28.439 --> 1:16:29.880
<v Speaker 1>They were like we can't handle the insurance. And this

1:16:29.960 --> 1:16:32.559
<v Speaker 1>was before Red Table talk ship. Yeah, this is like

1:16:32.880 --> 1:16:34.080
<v Speaker 1>it's like six seven years ago.

1:16:34.280 --> 1:16:34.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1:16:34.479 --> 1:16:36.840
<v Speaker 1>They were like like, so we had to like we

1:16:36.960 --> 1:16:39.559
<v Speaker 1>he had to come in the back, and then we did.

1:16:39.680 --> 1:16:41.880
<v Speaker 1>We shot some stuff, and then they shut down a

1:16:41.920 --> 1:16:44.080
<v Speaker 1>top golf and we shot some stuff and then we

1:16:44.439 --> 1:16:46.479
<v Speaker 1>all had to go to his hotel room No Diddy,

1:16:46.760 --> 1:16:48.720
<v Speaker 1>and we shot some stuff. Could not be on the

1:16:48.720 --> 1:16:52.640
<v Speaker 1>casino floor, wow, because he just yeah, yeah, so what

1:16:52.760 --> 1:16:55.160
<v Speaker 1>like with Michael, there was no there's no opportunity for

1:16:55.240 --> 1:16:57.400
<v Speaker 1>him to do it. There's no you can't even get

1:16:57.479 --> 1:16:59.120
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's not safe for the room.

1:16:59.160 --> 1:17:00.559
<v Speaker 2>For Prince to do it, it would have to be

1:17:00.600 --> 1:17:02.760
<v Speaker 2>like a straight up secret. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1:17:02.800 --> 1:17:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean Prince did smaller rooms towards the end, because

1:17:06.040 --> 1:17:08.240
<v Speaker 1>I remember I wanted to go see him at Slims

1:17:08.240 --> 1:17:11.519
<v Speaker 1>in San Francisco the year before he died, and it

1:17:11.600 --> 1:17:14.559
<v Speaker 1>was but it was like tickets were it's expensive as

1:17:14.560 --> 1:17:16.320
<v Speaker 1>fuck and Slims isn't small.

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<v Speaker 4>I also think Prince by a certain point had done

1:17:20.479 --> 1:17:23.919
<v Speaker 4>a lot to like change the way that people treated

1:17:23.960 --> 1:17:28.840
<v Speaker 4>his celebrity like he he very intentionally was like, I

1:17:28.920 --> 1:17:31.800
<v Speaker 4>don't I don't if he's gonna be God, I don't

1:17:31.840 --> 1:17:34.639
<v Speaker 4>want to compete with God in that way. I'm gonna

1:17:34.720 --> 1:17:36.800
<v Speaker 4>find a different way to play this where I am

1:17:36.960 --> 1:17:40.679
<v Speaker 4>like a mysterious sort of like shadow of a man.

1:17:41.200 --> 1:17:43.760
<v Speaker 4>And so it's there was you could see Prince in

1:17:43.800 --> 1:17:45.800
<v Speaker 4>a small room because that was part of his lore.

1:17:46.600 --> 1:17:48.799
<v Speaker 1>But he protects it to this day. Right, that documentary

1:17:48.800 --> 1:17:51.800
<v Speaker 1>didn't come out, It never is gonna come out. They

1:17:52.040 --> 1:17:54.400
<v Speaker 1>were gonna make like a sup They did make it.

1:17:54.439 --> 1:17:57.680
<v Speaker 4>They did make a super in depth Prince document Like

1:17:57.720 --> 1:18:00.719
<v Speaker 4>the law around it is is that it's the greatest

1:18:00.760 --> 1:18:03.400
<v Speaker 4>documentary ever created.

1:18:03.800 --> 1:18:05.599
<v Speaker 1>That like it is.

1:18:06.000 --> 1:18:08.320
<v Speaker 4>It is supposed to be like a miracle of a

1:18:08.400 --> 1:18:12.040
<v Speaker 4>revelation for like how you understand him, but then also

1:18:12.200 --> 1:18:16.360
<v Speaker 4>like human relationships and like how we can all kind

1:18:16.400 --> 1:18:19.280
<v Speaker 4>of like embody the greatness that is this man. It

1:18:19.479 --> 1:18:21.720
<v Speaker 4>like it is supposed to be like life change and

1:18:21.720 --> 1:18:27.040
<v Speaker 4>ship and legal battle whatever whatever Netflix candidate, it's never

1:18:27.080 --> 1:18:27.920
<v Speaker 4>going to exist.

1:18:28.400 --> 1:18:32.439
<v Speaker 2>Wow damn see that. See that hurts me more than

1:18:32.479 --> 1:18:35.519
<v Speaker 2>like then, like we're not releasing Jackie on NASA's dress

1:18:35.600 --> 1:18:51.640
<v Speaker 2>until you get the dress.

1:18:48.680 --> 1:18:52.120
<v Speaker 4>And we do have that recorded you say that we

1:18:52.200 --> 1:18:54.799
<v Speaker 4>caught it on that camera and in the wide See.

1:18:54.800 --> 1:18:57.599
<v Speaker 2>This is and this is why let me ask you this,

1:18:57.680 --> 1:19:00.639
<v Speaker 2>like like how I guess this is like odd question

1:19:00.800 --> 1:19:04.200
<v Speaker 2>because like this, I mean it's not too odd for us,

1:19:04.439 --> 1:19:07.160
<v Speaker 2>but like based off what we do you know, we're

1:19:07.200 --> 1:19:09.639
<v Speaker 2>stand ups like and and sometimes, like like I said,

1:19:09.680 --> 1:19:13.280
<v Speaker 2>I think you don't know when it like like happens,

1:19:14.000 --> 1:19:15.720
<v Speaker 2>like when it happens for you, because it's like it's

1:19:15.760 --> 1:19:17.759
<v Speaker 2>literally I feel like it's kind of like out of nowhere,

1:19:17.800 --> 1:19:21.160
<v Speaker 2>like I mean, we put the energy out there, like

1:19:21.160 --> 1:19:24.880
<v Speaker 2>like just just more so recently, like you know, I'm

1:19:24.920 --> 1:19:26.800
<v Speaker 2>only saying this to the fucking I hate even saying this.

1:19:27.040 --> 1:19:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Just recently I got over the hump of like now

1:19:29.720 --> 1:19:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm like selling out shows. Yeah, but like like I

1:19:36.960 --> 1:19:39.320
<v Speaker 2>didn't know like when that was coming, Like I'm just

1:19:39.360 --> 1:19:41.920
<v Speaker 2>like doing the things that like literally all of us,

1:19:43.800 --> 1:19:46.519
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. So like I guess like

1:19:46.520 --> 1:19:49.840
<v Speaker 2>like how my question is is like how famous would

1:19:49.880 --> 1:19:50.400
<v Speaker 2>you want to be?

1:19:50.840 --> 1:19:55.000
<v Speaker 4>I think not much more than I think we all

1:19:55.040 --> 1:19:56.320
<v Speaker 4>say that we.

1:19:56.280 --> 1:19:58.000
<v Speaker 2>All say, but a lot of times you can't. You

1:19:58.000 --> 1:19:58.880
<v Speaker 2>can't control get.

1:19:59.080 --> 1:20:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Stressed though, like you've seen it. I'd be getting really

1:20:03.320 --> 1:20:07.519
<v Speaker 1>stressed about exposure in that way.

1:20:07.720 --> 1:20:10.800
<v Speaker 2>But so like there might be something today or tomorrow

1:20:11.040 --> 1:20:14.200
<v Speaker 2>for next week that just fucking yeah, all of a sudden,

1:20:14.280 --> 1:20:16.680
<v Speaker 2>David Borie is like, you want yourself more night, said

1:20:16.680 --> 1:20:18.400
<v Speaker 2>the Wiltern. You you want yourself to.

1:20:18.400 --> 1:20:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Be open to that, and I would like take the

1:20:19.960 --> 1:20:22.679
<v Speaker 1>opportunity as it came. But like, am I like freaking

1:20:22.720 --> 1:20:25.240
<v Speaker 1>out about it not happening tomorrow? No, because I know

1:20:25.320 --> 1:20:28.080
<v Speaker 1>that I get like I get a high level like

1:20:28.160 --> 1:20:30.760
<v Speaker 1>even on this. Sometimes we'll do some shit and I'll

1:20:30.840 --> 1:20:31.640
<v Speaker 1>talk to Langston and.

1:20:31.680 --> 1:20:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Be like, oh, no, you know what I mean.

1:20:35.720 --> 1:20:38.120
<v Speaker 1>So it's like, so it's like if I have to

1:20:38.160 --> 1:20:41.080
<v Speaker 1>be real on what I think I could handle for

1:20:41.320 --> 1:20:44.400
<v Speaker 1>an and you obviously you you rise to it or whatever.

1:20:44.840 --> 1:20:47.760
<v Speaker 4>I think the scary part of celebrity is that we

1:20:47.840 --> 1:20:52.040
<v Speaker 4>don't get to control the stopping point. Yeah that's I think.

1:20:52.160 --> 1:20:55.679
<v Speaker 4>I one hundred percent do not envision myself in any

1:20:55.760 --> 1:20:59.800
<v Speaker 4>way close to whatever these two have going on. That

1:21:00.160 --> 1:21:04.520
<v Speaker 4>is not everyone want decile that's beautiful, that's gorgeous.

1:21:04.880 --> 1:21:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's beautiful.

1:21:09.880 --> 1:21:14.720
<v Speaker 2>A little for that, I just.

1:21:14.680 --> 1:21:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Wonder I want people to mention my name and everybody laughs.

1:21:17.640 --> 1:21:19.800
<v Speaker 2>A little bit, but you know you know what I mean. Yeah, like,

1:21:19.920 --> 1:21:21.840
<v Speaker 2>but we don't get to pick. But like, so like

1:21:21.880 --> 1:21:24.320
<v Speaker 2>this is this is who like one of my favorites,

1:21:25.120 --> 1:21:28.400
<v Speaker 2>and like I feel like controlling their celebrity and their

1:21:28.400 --> 1:21:32.679
<v Speaker 2>situation is Kendrick. I love the way that the guy

1:21:32.720 --> 1:21:37.519
<v Speaker 2>will just fucking be quiet well you know, like for

1:21:37.520 --> 1:21:39.880
<v Speaker 2>for you know, because what he came up with damn

1:21:39.880 --> 1:21:44.920
<v Speaker 2>in twenty seventeen, and then mister Moraud not until two

1:21:45.000 --> 1:21:46.559
<v Speaker 2>or something. It was like five years later or whatever.

1:21:46.960 --> 1:21:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Like you didn't hear anything of them, you know what

1:21:48.760 --> 1:21:51.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean. It's why and people and then people like

1:21:51.280 --> 1:21:53.720
<v Speaker 2>still respect that. Like, oh, I can't remember who was

1:21:53.760 --> 1:21:57.000
<v Speaker 2>telling me about it? Fuck who I remember? Oh it

1:21:57.080 --> 1:22:01.320
<v Speaker 2>was Chris Riggins was telling me. Ye shouted to Riggins. Bro.

1:22:01.479 --> 1:22:03.160
<v Speaker 2>He was saying, like when he was on tour with

1:22:03.160 --> 1:22:06.599
<v Speaker 2>with Dave Dave Chappelle or whatever, and uh, they one

1:22:06.680 --> 1:22:09.559
<v Speaker 2>night they went to Kindrick concert, right, and they said

1:22:09.720 --> 1:22:12.280
<v Speaker 2>he said his green room is literally no one in there,

1:22:13.360 --> 1:22:18.000
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, Like I was like, damn, yeah, I'm very ken. Yeah.

1:22:18.040 --> 1:22:21.439
<v Speaker 2>I like that. And another person another person that I

1:22:21.520 --> 1:22:25.200
<v Speaker 2>like admire with like and in the controlling of their celebrity,

1:22:25.280 --> 1:22:29.040
<v Speaker 2>and that is also a comedian, Daniel Tosh. I love

1:22:29.080 --> 1:22:32.520
<v Speaker 2>the way he does it. Bro like about him exactly

1:22:32.800 --> 1:22:35.439
<v Speaker 2>and like meanwhile, Daniel just like does his fucking thing

1:22:36.120 --> 1:22:38.680
<v Speaker 2>he and and like the guy sells out theaters. The

1:22:38.720 --> 1:22:41.280
<v Speaker 2>guy sells out theaters and he also has a residency

1:22:41.320 --> 1:22:44.439
<v Speaker 2>in Vegas, I believe. And meanwhile, you don't know anything

1:22:44.439 --> 1:22:46.840
<v Speaker 2>about him. He just you can't associate him with any

1:22:46.880 --> 1:22:50.360
<v Speaker 2>type of like you know, Austin, New York, l A.

1:22:50.400 --> 1:22:54.120
<v Speaker 2>You can't really associate him with anything other than just

1:22:54.160 --> 1:22:56.000
<v Speaker 2>like Daniel Tosh, you even know, I don't even know

1:22:56.040 --> 1:22:57.160
<v Speaker 2>who fucking opens for him.

1:22:57.040 --> 1:23:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Pre pandemic eye opened. Yeah. Yeah.

1:23:01.320 --> 1:23:04.599
<v Speaker 4>And it is that like he is real like quiet

1:23:04.600 --> 1:23:07.760
<v Speaker 4>about his ship. He goes and does the thing. He's

1:23:07.760 --> 1:23:10.120
<v Speaker 4>got a wife, he's got a family. Yeah, he just

1:23:10.200 --> 1:23:12.960
<v Speaker 4>kind of does. He surfs every day. He's like really

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<v Speaker 4>on his own ship.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. Yeah, I want like like I have

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<v Speaker 2>a family whatever, I get to skate every morning, blah

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah. Then I go out and I do I

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<v Speaker 2>go on tour all that ship blah blah blah. Like

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<v Speaker 2>and I think to put a button on it. Sony's

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna kill us. They're looking at us like you

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<v Speaker 2>don't even think they're looking at it looking yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>catch someone, yeah yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I also feel like my story dude boy, he's

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<v Speaker 1>talking ship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what's the David boy?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Sierra Leonian fat immigrants, they're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, yeah, yeah, like what a relatable story. I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder what they saw our bank accounts, what they would

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<v Speaker 2>think maybe, like that's about right, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't see numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>I have never seen numbers that small. Where's the commas?

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<v Speaker 1>Where's the one comma?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know they only did one more than one

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<v Speaker 2>to count? Okay, cool?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think we did it. Tell the people where

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<v Speaker 1>they can find you.

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<v Speaker 2>What Chappelle Lacy on Everything, tickets at Chappelle Lecy dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Just come to a live show. That's all I asked.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I think we all ever ask, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, pretty much all that you got.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool guy jokes eighty seven on Instagram. I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really. I don't really have ship right now. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really have ship. I'm doing a don't tell

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<v Speaker 1>in January. I don't think people even come to those though, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they'll feel it, whether you puppet or not.

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<v Speaker 1>In San Diego.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you feeling one. Yeah, I'm filming one. Oh yeah, bro, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna kill it there, You're gonna kill it.

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<v Speaker 2>Bro.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, you can follow me at Langston Kerman.

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<v Speaker 2>Weird guys. Oh, we're happy for you. Yeah, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna do great things. Yeah, that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Sony's gonna kill me and Sony is gonna kill you. Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>Follow me at lengths and Kerman on all social media platforms.

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<v Speaker 4>I got some new UH dates in the in twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty six for the aspiring Debtbeat Tour.

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<v Speaker 1>UH.

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<v Speaker 4>You can get those tickets at Langston Kerman dot com.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm hitting I'm hitting some cities I wasn't able to

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<v Speaker 4>hit because of conflicts. Cleveland, We're coming back. Doctor Grin's

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<v Speaker 4>were moving that date UH in Grand Rapids. And then

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<v Speaker 4>there's gonna be some new UH cities coming up. So

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<v Speaker 4>so I'll keep you updated as that comes to be. UH.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I just snorted cocaine or something. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so excited and I never did that before, for the record,

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<v Speaker 2>for the record quarter record.

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