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Speaker 2: Yeah, which I think that's great yea. And we don't

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Speaker 2: leave people guessing. We don't need to know everything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah we don't know what I mean, we don't need

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Speaker 2: I don't need to know anything.

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Speaker 1: We don't unpack it on the car ride home.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no.

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Speaker 1: I find myself saying things on here sometimes where I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I erres racist, lay the money stuff I can't tell me.

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Speaker 2: Don't say my ship is why? Because you sound crazy?

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Speaker 1: Got the beat doing flips like Chappelle, lazy, Welcome Mama's

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Speaker 1: and Gentiles. I like to another phenomenal episode my mama.

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Speaker 4: Told me Yo the podcast where we dive deep deep

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Speaker 4: into the pockets of black conspiracy there.

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Speaker 1: And we don't prove ship nothing, not a goddamn thing.

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Speaker 2: I seen that. I see that. That's a real song.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy. You knew that.

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Speaker 1: Come on, that's fire.

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Speaker 2: You actually never heard that a long time.

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Speaker 1: I'm weirdough whoa how's that feel?

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Speaker 4: I mean, no, al cool, cool man, I ain't never

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Speaker 4: been name dropped in the song.

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Speaker 1: No oh I once. I think I think somebody said

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Speaker 1: my name and I'm on one album. I'm Michael Christmas album.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, shut out, shout out, Michael christ

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Speaker 4: It wasn't like a dis track though, right.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, it did. I was being funny

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Speaker 1: and it did feel like when Dave Chappelle was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they always want me to be like you stepping some

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Speaker 1: dud dudes flat, Yeah like that. It was like playing me,

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Speaker 1: but it was I was the joke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, but not like you

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Speaker 2: were being played. No, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 1: It was a happy medium because.

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Speaker 4: It's like, you know, yeah, no, that's a flex. That's

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Speaker 4: pretty pretty cool. I think I think everybody should celebrate

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Speaker 1: I worried that my first rap bar was gonna be

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Speaker 1: mad at it. That was you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pick myself apart for

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, so you've both landed very nicely in your careers.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations. Yeah you're gonna get one. I'm surprised you haven't

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Speaker 1: got one yet. We all pray differently, you know what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that differently. We can't. We just accept

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Speaker 2: that you're differently differently. I like that no one ever

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Speaker 2: We just pretty different. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, I do consider myself a hero of this story.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I said the thing that nobody else was brave

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Speaker 2: Yeah, prey different. What if that ended wars? Right now?

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Speaker 2: If they listen to this, just heard like, oh, very different,

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Speaker 2: Hey, sometimes you never know when something goes viral, bro

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Speaker 2: I said that. I never know. Sometimes something wuld just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was just in Japan and somebody was like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have one to start. Yeah, kick it off.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Africa is gonna get its due until

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Speaker 2: Do you say we all from Africa? We are?

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Speaker 1: And I think that is maybe some of us more

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Speaker 4: Now you're deciding my future. Maybe you're not better than

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Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean, like Africa, they don't

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Speaker 1: I like the map the way it is exactly. We

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Speaker 1: But then some people would claim I ain't from Africa.

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Speaker 1: I'm from krish Yeah. You African booty, which is crazy.

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Speaker 1: Everybody scratches booty.

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Speaker 2: Everybody scratches booty. Yeah, why did you see? I don't

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Speaker 1: Because it flows so nicely, it feels like music, and

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Speaker 4: I understand we don't get to sing it anymore, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Well, I guess today hails from Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Hell Chappelle lazy sorry podcast year, I have a boy

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Speaker 2: who is Oh, shout out to Aaron. He opened for you.

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Speaker 1: Aaron, ye from Arizona.

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Speaker 2: We we were, do you know what black Aaron?

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Speaker 1: It's the closest to our native climates. Uh. I Remember

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Speaker 1: He was saying, it's a very common thing for black

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Speaker 2: I've been at like I'm a flying nigga, you know

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Speaker 1: That changes a lot, you know.

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Speaker 2: The thing is is like like and I think Aarry

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Speaker 2: And then like I want to take the picture, and

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Speaker 2: And with older women who isn't yeah right yeah, oh

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Speaker 1: No, it's very clear.

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Speaker 1: Bro. When you're younger and you do it too, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah almost, you know. Yeah, Yeah, I'm married now, Hell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, yeah, it's weird, but yeah it's not weird.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Like, yeah, we're still having a big.

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Speaker 2: Yeah hell yeah, yeah that's my favorite one comedians getting married, bro.

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Speaker 1: Because it feels like he's not supposed to happen. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Last long time. Now we're gonna find you love through

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Speaker 1: Blue Martini.

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Speaker 2: All right, it's.

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Speaker 4: You You came with a conspiracy theory that I think

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Speaker 2: Of layers, a lot of layers, because it's like it's

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Speaker 4: But but for the simplicity of getting the conversation started,

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Speaker 1: Sony kill Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 2: And my mom did say that, she said it for real.

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Speaker 1: My mom, my mom would say that Tupac.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: My mom would always say Tupac still alive. She was

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Speaker 1: it was like almost like what do you call it?

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Speaker 2: I think there was something, there was something quality, quality

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Speaker 1: We did see the footage of the fight before. No, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 4: I don't mean simply because of like his his choices

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Speaker 2: I think just like I mean, Britain's got a baby, bro. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I remember that way. Everybody go, damn, I remember listen

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Speaker 1: I think that's why we're all here together, because none

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Speaker 2: We're not Brenda.

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Speaker 1: And he did make it sound so cool in love

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Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah, yeah. I don't know if he

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Speaker 1: I don't know who's saying. I think Joe.

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Speaker 4: might have been I don't think it kind of sounds

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Speaker 4: like them though, but I don't think it was all.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that was. That was how do you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when Jos was like, we're gonna go to death

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Speaker 2: Well do you realize they were with bad Boy and

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Speaker 1: Really realize that until you said it? But they could

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Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?

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Speaker 1: Specifically Casey and Jojo? I think they they can do

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Speaker 1: with them, all things are possible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, but the driving force was uh DeVante? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: whoa it was Dave Hollister. No baby mama drama.

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Speaker 1: No, Brenda's got a baby?

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Speaker 2: No? But he you Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Cam stopped fronting on that.

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Speaker 2: Dave Hollister too.

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Speaker 1: Man, he's from Chicago, right, Uh is Dave?

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Speaker 2: I think so?

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Speaker 1: Also a fat guy? Right? Definitely not you got it

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Speaker 1: if you like, if you like Chicago. That's just what

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Speaker 1: I knew most about him.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you are listing other Drakes that I wasn't immediately

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Speaker 6: associating with Dave Holliser, But absolutely fat was the.

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Speaker 1: One that I didn't know he was from his hometown though. Yep, damn,

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Speaker 1: that's not great.

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Speaker 2: That's I'm not proud of. I know Jimmy Eat World

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Speaker 2: I know where they're located, I know everything we are

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Speaker 1: I like the way that you said Jimmy Eat World.

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Speaker 1: You said Jimmy eat World, which is how I read it.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah accent, yea, exactly. Some that's just a more

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Speaker 1: sophisticated way to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But the reason why, yeh, the you know, the

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Speaker 2: not just it's not just Michael, but like obviously, like

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Speaker 2: that's like one of the bigger things. And just the

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Speaker 2: and like, I mean, Michael was very outspoken about things

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Speaker 2: with Sony. Uh there's that one video where he was

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Speaker 2: somewhere I don't know if it was like award show

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Speaker 2: there's a he's holding up a sign that says Sony

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Speaker 2: kills or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought that was

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Speaker 2: photoshop no, no, And then yeah, but there's this thing

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Speaker 2: Michael was trying to do his thing. He was trying

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Speaker 2: looked at things like, well, why can't I own that too?

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Speaker 1: He bought the beat.

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Speaker 2: Beatles catalog, but like like but it wasn't just like

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Speaker 2: a percentage of Sony that I think Sony was like

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Speaker 2: damn bro, like he got us like we need this

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Speaker 2: shit back, you know what I mean? And like I think,

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Speaker 2: to like kind of like come at Michael, you know

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Speaker 2: also like the album he recorded in two thousand and one, Invincible,

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Speaker 2: the album, which is a great album, and everyone's like

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Speaker 2: not help him on the rollout with it. They weren't.

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Speaker 2: They weren't like they didn't do anything for him on it.

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Speaker 4: I will say that by that point in his career,

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Speaker 4: had never existed before that. Like everything before that, you

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Speaker 4: were like, god, damn, Michael Jackson came out.

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Speaker 2: Remember, yeah, suddenly this album. It was like when Michael

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Speaker 1: Remember the time on Fox?

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Speaker 2: Bro?

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Speaker 1: Yeah I remember, I remember that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember who was doing that. Bro.

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Speaker 1: It was huge and then it started and you were

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Speaker 1: like Magic Johnson and Eddie Burphy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Now now if I'm playing Devil's Advocate, there is any.

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Speaker 2: Bring up the Lion kids. Oh they're still pretty sad.

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's give.

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Speaker 4: Him a couple more years, because I think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: I think the kids may have.

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Speaker 4: Soured a public sort of like taste on him. But

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Speaker 4: I also think, if again I'm playing conspiracy.

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Speaker 2: Games, yeah, I mean that's what I love about this conversation.

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Speaker 4: That is also a strategy that I a conspiracy theorist,

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Speaker 4: might argue, Sony, activated.

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Speaker 1: Do we think and this is this is truly like

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Speaker 1: a question for everyone. His reputation was already changing before

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Speaker 1: the kid accusation, the wacko jacko and the changing his hair,

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Speaker 7: That was way later. I don't want to scary babies.

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Speaker 7: He's justin Arry. Thought of you being out that scars.

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Speaker 7: But you gotta do that with the world. This is

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Speaker 7: how you become strong. But like, I think that two things.

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Speaker 7: He's a weird guy.

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Speaker 2: Man, he was a weird, weird weird which would listen,

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Speaker 2: which is fair to say. I think it's very fair

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Speaker 2: to say, like, And I think that's why it was

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Speaker 2: the change of the skin tone, all that stuff. But

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Speaker 2: like obviously we know, like we all know where he

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Speaker 2: comes from, right, he comes from Gary, Indiana hood, but

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Speaker 2: like not even just Gary, Indiana, Like he didn't like

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Speaker 2: he didn't even have to deal with the hood.

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Speaker 1: He had to deal with Joseph. That's the biggest going

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Speaker 1: maybe the hood in Cardiff.

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Speaker 2: Bout it bro.

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Speaker 4: He had every version of the experience he was he was,

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Speaker 4: he had no hope and then he had the most hope.

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Speaker 4: The most hope in in a fucking boy's lifetime.

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00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, just said.

442
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 4: Eight years, that's all it took for him to go

443
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 4: from absolutely nothing to to heaven.

444
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 2: Bro.

445
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, the scale of that, when you say it like that,

446
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: I never thought about it, because the scale of that

447
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: is like where do you where do you continue to

448
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: go with the life that's on that trajectory?

449
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

450
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 1: I mean by the time he was in his mid twenties,

451
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: he probably truly did not remember being poor like that.

452
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: I mean, he was never poor.

453
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 2: He was rich longer than he was poor. Bro.

454
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 4: That's why he had to make himself look like a

455
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 4: kitty cat.

456
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?

457
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 8: You conna just say no, no, no. That's why he

458
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 8: had to make himself look like a leathery kitty cat

459
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 8: is because he couldn't. He's like, I look in the

460
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 8: mirror and that is not me anymore.

461
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 2: I am.

462
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 4: I've ascended beyond the life that I once had. I

463
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 4: can't look at this working class as face that.

464
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, there's so much mental that like

465
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 2: he dealt with. There's there's so much questioning and things

466
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,719
Speaker 2: that are running in his head. Would mean there's just

467
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 2: no there's just no way he could have like and

468
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: also if he came out normal, I don't think we

469
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: would have had had Like there's because there's a level

470
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 2: of your brain where like you're so like mentally, like

471
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: you know, there's just like these things that you just

472
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: hear whatever.

473
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 4: But to your point, heal the world is a psychopath

474
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 4: song in anybody else's hands.

475
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: They're all psychopaths song. Yeah, it's just he are you okay?

476
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: What the is he? He's he past words, he grew

477
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's just saying stuff because he.

478
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: Could and we all were like that ship type because

479
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like it was it was

480
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: I mean just to get We're like, I mean, yeah,

481
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: I kind of understand his brain and like like where

482
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 2: you like mentally, my more search is mature, bro, give

483
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: me the mature I sweek the other way, Give me that,

484
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 2: give me victim, give me that wrinkle.

485
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: My problem is they're too old basically for what I'm

486
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: trying to do.

487
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: You know I'm talking about in the sense of like

488
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: like because I grew up in abusive stepfather, right, he

489
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 2: want to know Joe Jackson, I'm like, damn, bro.

490
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 9: No, you don't do this. It's like you got a

491
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,120
Speaker 9: bad one too, and you me walk you do. You're like,

492
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 9: maybe you should have turned up a little bit.

493
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: But that psychological like and the way it fucks with you. Now,

494
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: I can only imagine what it's like to not have

495
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: your childhood as well, right because I still had a childhood.

496
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: I'm still outside of skateboarding. I'm geting stocked up a

497
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: time or two. But I'm like, all right, man, I

498
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 2: got my skateboard, you know what I mean. But like

499
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 2: he he was just go, go, go, entertaining, entertaining, entertaining.

500
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 4: And he lost his childhood to a man who aspired

501
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 4: to the dream that he is beating into them.

502
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was it was that was Joe's dream he

503
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: was a musician. Which that's kind of kind of hurt too.

504
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: I think that's why that's why you.

505
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't mean to not villainize Joe Jackson,

506
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: but it does kind of be like, Bro, that's gotta

507
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 1: be a crazy head fuck too.

508
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: The idea that.

509
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: Like you, you still wanted it, Bro, the whole time,

510
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: you still wanted it.

511
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,479
Speaker 2: The fact that you said that, like, like, that's all

512
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 2: I think about it with my stepfather, like me and

513
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: my stuff that we cool, you know what I mean, Like,

514
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 2: because I learned a lot about man. Then I learned

515
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,479
Speaker 2: a lot about him. I learned that, Like I was like, oh,

516
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: he went through like kind of the same ship. He

517
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 2: was kind of doing what he was young when he

518
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: came my life. He was only he was only seventeen,

519
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like so it's like

520
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: they're like, what did he really know? He didn't know anything,

521
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So he just he just

522
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: knew what what happened to him. So it's like I

523
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: think he was just like, oh, I think this is

524
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: how you do it. You know what, I'll do that

525
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: too much. Stop talking boy, Stop talking the boy. What

526
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 2: are you doing? Get out? Get out of that Fred

527
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: go to school. Yeah, nigga.

528
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like like you think, I think to some extent

529
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 4: you've it sounds like you found at least an empathy

530
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 4: for that person. I think we I think we could

531
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 4: always be moving with that empathy and still be acknowledging like, Bro,

532
00:27:59,560 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 4: you were.

533
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: A bad guy. You were fucking.

534
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 4: And that sucks that you had to grow through that

535
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 4: and and find yourself there. But end of the day,

536
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 4: Joe Jackson can be an empathetic figure and a bad dude.

537
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: And I wonder I wonder if they eventually got to

538
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: the point, uh, like his children eventually got to the

539
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: point where they had the empathy for him, you know

540
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I don't know, I don't you know,

541
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: but like it seems that I have like a very

542
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: very soft spot spot for like the Jackson's in general.

543
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean it does seem like it's

544
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: just like their trauma cases, right.

545
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one idiots, And then you just had

546
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: to entertain bro and yeah, it was like dance dance.

547
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: Even Jermaine. You you look at Jermaine and you.

548
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: Go, a, we all is the hair. We can all agree.

549
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 4: We can all agree that wouldn't Joseph Joseph a beat

550
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 4: that into.

551
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: You know what that was Jermaine. You know what's crazy

552
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: is Jermaine is I don't think he was an early

553
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: standout Jackson in the way that like, at least in

554
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: our childhood, it was always Tito was the one who

555
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: caught the jokes. Yeah, but you know what I mean.

556
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: Because Michael, you brothers building, that man would come up

557
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: on them backups, you know, yeah, was on groove. Yeah,

558
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: you know what I mean he had this ship.

559
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tito was I felt like was the one who

560
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: kind of Jermaine has the run and I'll be there.

561
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: The fucking is that Jermaine? Yeah, that's Jermaine. If there

562
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: was if there was another dude singing, it was Jermaine,

563
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: it was.

564
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was always Jermaine.

565
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 4: Man.

566
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: That would be hard to because you're like, what do

567
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: I do? My little brother is and and Jermaine sounds good.

568
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: Jer Like, like, I know Michael was talented, but the

569
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: motherfuckers was talented.

570
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Jermaine the one who tried to

571
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: Jermaine is the one who said that his brother tried

572
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: to block his career. They because of that, right, Yeah,

573
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: but but Michael, do you imagine beefing and Michael Jackson

574
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: at the height, but Mike can't win.

575
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 4: Michael would would then like turn it into bits because

576
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: of them beefing, because of how far he had ascended

577
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 4: past Jermaine. He would like go on award shows and

578
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 4: be like, I just want to thank all my brothers

579
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 4: and Jermaine for.

580
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: All their love and support.

581
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 4: That's why people would laugh in the room because they

582
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 4: knew Jermaine couldn't do a thing about it.

583
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: That's gotta be and that's your brother that that would

584
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: make me a villain more than what happened to Michael.

585
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: Also, I think it's cool that that's the beef you

586
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: get to have with your brother, like like those two guys,

587
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: like they get to have that level of beef. Yeah,

588
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: my brother. It's just also with the cereal bro bro

589
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: that was you know what I mean starting bro y.

590
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: He also keeps saying, and I recently found out my

591
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: brother's algorithm is it's like you find out the similarity

592
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: some twisted ship my brother the littlest I like that.

593
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, funny. Does he listen to us?

594
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: I think he listens to clips sometimes in the way

595
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: that yeah, I don't mean, I just don't want it

596
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: to bum him out.

597
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 4: If he's that cool where he's like on something twisted

598
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 4: at that age and he can kind of like, yeah, he's.

599
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: Very funny in a way that I'm scared of, which

600
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: is like the best kind of funny.

601
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, like yeah, yeah, wow, like they had the beef

602
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: of like I think it's Beautiful'll walk you bro, Yeah, bro,

603
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: you don't.

604
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: Think that sucked?

605
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: Come on, that's for Jamane. Yeah, I'm saying. That's what

606
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I guess the public is also seeing it too.

607
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. Could have been the Black Joker.

608
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: We kind of got lucky, we got right, should have

609
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: been the Black Joker. Maybe the hair is the worst

610
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: he he could do had he taking any of that

611
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: energy into weapons.

612
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 4: All that right, because he's already he's already making it

613
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 4: into like a precise missile. His hat is a spear, yeah,

614
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 4: which if he were if he were to sharpen a

615
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 4: piece of metal.

616
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: This is the most dangerous crazy because they got beat

617
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: with structure.

618
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: I feel like this is turning into a Joe Jackson appreciated.

619
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying in that episode with a

620
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 4: moment for a moment of silence for Joe.

621
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: There's there's a difference. I know, I know it's discipled,

622
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: a wild thing to say, but you said it.

623
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: Neither of us said it because.

624
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: Talk about it. Oh boy, when they feel like we're wrong, right,

625
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: we're just like, I'm okay with being wrong. I'm just saying,

626
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: like I was just thinking about it, because you said,

627
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: like he didn't put the energy into like guns. Yeah,

628
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: you know some guys that get beat with no structure.

629
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: Then it's like, I'm gonna get a gun since they

630
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: gotta beat with structure, that's probably why he didn't you.

631
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: So that's what I know. I know, I threw it

632
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: out there and crazy.

633
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: No, I see what you're saying.

634
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: But I was just like, it's almost like if you're

635
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: gonna beat your kid, beat your kid into something. Yeah right, yeah,

636
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: I got beat just running around the house loose, That's

637
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

638
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: And now I'm out here espousing crazy opinions. Maybe you

639
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: should have been making me dance.

640
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly.

641
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: Dance can be a form of can be help me,

642
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: help you.

643
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: As a as an alumni of child abuse?

644
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: That's that's and I got it.

645
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: I got it.

646
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: I got it, Duke, I don't know. I don't even

647
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: have my tools. Yeah, run, what have you been doing

648
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: this whole I fucked up. I didn't know he was

649
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: gonna drop a bar that hard. The man said something

650
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: really good and now you've disrupted.

651
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: That was crazy. No, it's just it's just a very

652
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: yeah that I'll take that. And uh, but you know,

653
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: to the to my point, though, like I think I

654
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: think what everyone was able to do was to take

655
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: because they knew so much about them, like you know,

656
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: like they knew like like he was doing interviews early on,

657
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: like I think maybe before Thriller dropped, or he was

658
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: talking about like things that happen, you know, like them

659
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: getting beaten ship like that they like it was it

660
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: was pretty much out there, right, you know what I mean. Yeah,

661
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: like even in the nineties when they dropped the VH one,

662
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: you know, the Jackson Family American Dream Movie. Oh Jason

663
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: Weaver had three part series or whatever. Yeah, like you know,

664
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 2: like it was obvious, like what happened to him. We

665
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: still were like in that music type though, you know

666
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 2: what I mean. So like so I think there was

667
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: just things that like someone some someone who's up there

668
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: in the industry saw what they could use, you know,

669
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: like taking like their life story and all this ship

670
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: and like messing with it and like using it kind

671
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: of against them. It's like, this is why he's crazy.

672
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: I will say, you know what I mean, Like I

673
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: I'll say, I.

674
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: Do wonder right because I hear what you're saying. I

675
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: also think that the way that entertainment was structured at

676
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: that time, because it's so fractured now, it's almost like

677
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: the industry will never have to deal with another person

678
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: as powerful as a Michael Jackson or a prince or

679
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: whoever could get because it's just not set up that anyway.

680
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: Like it's almost better, it's almost better for them that

681
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: it's as fractured as it is now. Yeah, I mean

682
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: I think, like, who has Michael Jackson power right now?

683
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 4: I think in some ways, Michael Jackson became like a

684
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 4: sacrificial lamb for a more manageable type of celebrity.

685
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: Damn, you know what I mean, Like a Beyonce.

686
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 4: Beyonce is able to stay a lot more sort of

687
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 4: mentally grounded, whatever you decide that means. It's a different

688
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 4: conversation because she watched what what that did to a

689
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 4: different man when she went like she was.

690
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 2: Out there, She's not out there.

691
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 4: It's like, how you know, there were a bunch of

692
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 4: certain types of injuries in the sixties that now we

693
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 4: have the technology to keep sports players from experiencing. We've

694
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 4: just improved the technology so now famous it may not

695
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 4: be as big, but it is way more functional than Yeah, it.

696
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: Almost should be. It almost should be niche Yeah, yeah,

697
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: because yeah, because like Beyonce is like mystique, like a

698
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: lot of her information ain't just really out there.

699
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: Like and a lot of people not a lot of people,

700
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: But I feel like people are less aware of Beyonce

701
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: than they were of Michael Chat Like, you can live

702
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: a life and not intake Beyonce. I don't think you

703
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: could do that in a real like. I think everybody

704
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: heard Thriller, regardless of if you liked it.

705
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 2: I mean his his rollouts were insane. Yeah, his rollouts

706
00:36:49,440 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: or something. His rollouts drop an hour special on that's

707
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: jam problem.

708
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: You ain't been asking for.

709
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: The right stuff. That's not a issue being Indonesia. But

710
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: this ship like that like.

711
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 4: That, Yeah, I watched the clip the other day of

712
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 4: he's on some like crane. He's like singing on top

713
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 4: of a crane, shirt blowing in the wind, and a

714
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 4: fan literally climbs the crane and and grabs onto him

715
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 4: while he's like swinging on this single stare like one

716
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 4: person can fit on him.

717
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: He's like holding the fan so he doesn't fall, and

718
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: the fans just like she this this or dude, I

719
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: can't remember.

720
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 4: He's like hugging him and kissing him and and will

721
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 4: not let go. And Michael doesn't break character for a second,

722
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 4: he grabs this dude by his waist and turns him

723
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 4: around and he now he's holding the man from the back.

724
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: I forget what song he was singing.

725
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: It's there's a song that he got to be doing all.

726
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: It's the coolest ship I've ever seen in my life.

727
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: Oh bro, his production and all, like like the way

728
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: he thought about like this is how we're going to

729
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 2: execute this ship. Like he said something that I thought

730
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: was so dope that I think any like you know,

731
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: anyone that's a performance artist like like whatever, like take

732
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: he said something like we want to take people on

733
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: an adventure, an adventure. I'm like, damn, it's like what

734
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: you know? Like this is what that looks like to

735
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: take people on an adventure?

736
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: Will you be there? That entire song from beginning, Dane Man,

737
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: we listened when we were when we were moving back

738
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: to l A. Me and I want to listen to it.

739
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: I keep driving through Utah. I was gonna cry a

740
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 1: scenic round. It was amazing.

741
00:38:46,040 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 2: We were next I'm Only Human, I tell you goes

742
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: in with law Bro. That song is insanely like I

743
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: cried walking like I was just walking out. I was

744
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: walking a silver like walking like on a far walk,

745
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 2: and I just started crying to go, what the fuck

746
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: is going on? Bro? It just hits you, Like.

747
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 4: There are Michael Jackson songs that I would listen to

748
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 4: more often, but I get uncomfortable with the emotional state

749
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 4: that it launches me.

750
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: And Bro, I get that girl.

751
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's breaking my brain.

752
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 2: It's just Jam. Good you though? Jam is so And

753
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: that's where he throws a shot at Jermaine on Jam

754
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: on Jam, what is the first verse? Oh, damn, something

755
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: like my brother or something like that.

756
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: Like, I don't even think about words when I think about.

757
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: It, I think I think it's in I think it's

758
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: in Jam. Okay.

759
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: When I think about Jam, I just I don't even think.

760
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: Of what it's right.

761
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't Eddie Murphy in that video?

762
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: No, Jordan's.

763
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: Remember the times? Eddie Murphy?

764
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: Remember?

765
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: Also, what's that video with Eddie Murphy and Michael Jackson?

766
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: What's up with you?

767
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 2: What's uh? What's uh? What's up? Yeah? Very strange ending

768
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: to that video. Well, you've had the lyric.

769
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 4: I'm singing an AI overview that I don't find satisfactory.

770
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 4: It just says no, It's like, no, I ain't do that,

771
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 4: but I'm trying to find it now, Okay, well you're searching.

772
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 4: It was earth song Michael was singing when he saved

773
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 4: that fan. It was.

774
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: Thank you damn. That is an earth a song.

775
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: That's a song.

776
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even man, I don't think there were a

777
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: lot of humans who could even handle that as well

778
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: as he did.

779
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, while we're here, Jermaine's comments on Michael. Even though

780
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 4: Michael is very talented, a lot of his success that

781
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 4: has been due to timing and a little bit of luck.

782
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 4: It could have been him or it could have just

783
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 4: as easily been me.

784
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 2: Come on, Jermain Lugerma. He put it this way. I'll

785
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: tell you what you can say that, Jermaine, and I'm

786
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: gonna and I'm gonna I'm gonna throw back at you,

787
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: even though he probably said this in the nineties, Michael Jackson.

788
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 2: The thing is is, like, you know, that was probably

789
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: just like emotions, that was all that was probably irrational.

790
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: You know. The thing is is like Michael worked in

791
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 2: a way that I don't think most fucking people do.

792
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: Like there's this there's this one video on YouTube of

793
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 2: Michael in the studio, and I think it's he's recording

794
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: the song jam and I think it's the part where

795
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: he goes damn. I think he recorded it, like I

796
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: don't know, like multiple fucking times, right, and he was

797
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: sitting there with the whoever's working the soundboard and he'd

798
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: go here, he would go go to number forty three,

799
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: go to this number. Let me hear that. Like it's

800
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: just because he was trying to find the perfect one, right,

801
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: Like he recorded it in like forty times. Bro, Yeah,

802
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: that's impressive, Like, like, who's working like that? I mean

803
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: exactly heard on the joke five times? If it doesn't work,

804
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: that's how we are. Yeah, who's working like that? Crazy? Yeah?

805
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I mean he was. He was a product

806
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: of all of it for sure.

807
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

808
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 4: Okay, So I found a website that is tracking the beef.

809
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 4: Yeah that like sort of has a full like breakdown

810
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 4: of some of the beef.

811
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 2: I wish Reddit was around when they were beefing. It

812
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: would help us out.

813
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 4: It does get a little crazy. So part of it

814
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: is a marketing strategy that they layout against Germaine that

815
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 4: like they when they go solo or sort of start

816
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 4: doing like their own solo record. So Michael Jackson got

817
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 4: to be there. It's his first solo record and it's

818
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 4: released January of nineteen seventy two, and Jermaine's album Jermaine

819
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 4: is released in August of the same year.

820
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: Because for them, it was probably like you know, so

821
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: it was a market dog out right.

822
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 4: I think they were fucking yeah, you know what I mean,

823
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 4: Like it might have been a marketing strategy, or it

824
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 4: might have just been like, well, if you will give

825
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 4: you a record deal, find Jermaine, but we're not.

826
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 1: We're not giving you a separate rollout.

827
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: We're not going to go which is you Honestly, it's

828
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: kind of a bummer because, like I do think Jermaine

829
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 2: is like fucking talented, bro. He was talented, yeah yeah,

830
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 2: And like it's just such that his brother was so

831
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: massive to where like it was like you can't even like.

832
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: Any other family held.

833
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 2: It wasn't like like the Jacksons weren't like the Wu

834
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: Tang clan where all the motherfuckers can just like put

835
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 2: out solo records and it's like dope, you know what

836
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

837
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 4: It's where it gets even crazy. You've been at de

838
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 4: Barge again in nineteen seventy three, Michael Jackson's Music and

839
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 4: Me is released in April of that year. Uh, and

840
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,479
Speaker 4: Jermaine's Come Into My Life was released in May.

841
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: They gave this nigga a month come on to breathe

842
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: after Michael Jackson released.

843
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: Now we'll bring it back to this. The music industry

844
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: and the way they fuck with people, right, yeah, they

845
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: fuck with r Yeah, because they have that kind of control. Bro,

846
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: I think about that. I can't tell you how many,

847
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: like I got a lot of homies that are like,

848
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: you know, musicians and shit like that. They've made records

849
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. And I can't tell you how

850
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: many times they do this thing where they give you

851
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 2: this advance, right you know what I mean. They're like, Okay,

852
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 2: here's here's two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to make

853
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: a record. It don't cost them two hundred and fifty

854
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: thousand dollars to make a record. Yeah you get that money.

855
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: You're like, oh shit, we got two hundred and fifty

856
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. And like you tell some some you know,

857
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 2: artists who who's starving artists who really is like trying

858
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: to like think, oh here's my big break I get

859
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: to make like they give me two hundred and fifty

860
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. You know, they just spend that shit. Meanwhile,

861
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: they probably only paid, you know, tend to make the

862
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: record maybe or whatever. Right, and then all of a

863
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: sudden they're like, all right, man, we got to recoup

864
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 2: that marketing costs. Yeah. Like that's why so many artists

865
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 2: are just like doing it themselves. That's why they're learning

866
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: how to work these like uh these programs to where

867
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: they can you know, studying to be they're not just

868
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: like musicians now now they're like you know, producers and

869
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 2: all this shit as well, you know what I mean.

870
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: And that's my problem with the internet is whereas I

871
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: can't learn another I got it edit here.

872
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 4: Here's where it gets even nastier is that they say

873
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 4: that part of it is that like when Jermaine got

874
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 4: married to Hazel Gordon, Hazel, he knows Hazel. He stays

875
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 4: in the Motown family, and that is what he has promised.

876
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson's career is what they were working on to

877
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 4: build through Motown, like he was about to premiere as

878
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 4: like the new sexy, cool, amazing artist born of the

879
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 4: Jackson fame. This is Jermaine's version of it, and then

880
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 4: Michael beats him to it, right, Michael gets to off

881
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 4: the wall faster. The brothers are now separated. There are

882
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 4: quotes of Michael being like, Jermaine and I were, We

883
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 4: were as close as any two people could be. And

884
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 4: it feels like a loss of my own limb to

885
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 4: like lose my brother to a love kind of thing.

886
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 4: And so he's claiming. Jermaine has a literal quote where

887
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 4: he goes like he basically is saying, like Michael got

888
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 4: to it before him and made sure that Jermaine was

889
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 4: never able to get his run at the thing.

890
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: That's Jermaine saying, Hey, Michael known for doing some cold

891
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: shit like that. That that does seem in character to me.

892
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: That was supposed to be that does. That's why I stayed.

893
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 2: At believe it, Michael brother, you look.

894
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 4: At but once Michael beat me to it, he made

895
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 4: sure it would only be him.

896
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: Jermaine Jackson, Listen, all he knew how to be was

897
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: a dog. That's all he had.

898
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: He du Yeah, Like, I mean the guy was a dog.

899
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 2: That's that's I mean, what's your I'm talking about? Like

900
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: doging away like like he was like I'm gonna be

901
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: that guy.

902
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Quincy Jones called the Macabelian like, like, yeah, he was.

903
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: He was because he was like a business sabbage.

904
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 4: Imagine how crazy you have to be to walk into

905
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 4: a room and then open your arms.

906
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?

907
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: That's not natural.

908
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 4: You walk into a room and you open your arms

909
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 4: and then people swarm you.

910
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: That's that's not how human beings behaved. That he was.

911
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 4: Say God, now we can talk about what God means

912
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 4: that it isn't. I'm not saying he is above the

913
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 4: Lord himself, but my God, I can't do this.

914
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: That's that's he.

915
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: I mean, like he he created that Broyeah created that,

916
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: He created that energy, Like.

917
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: Is there is he the biggest star that the world

918
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: had ever seen it to that point?

919
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: I think so?

920
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: Over the Beatles? Yeah, I mean I think I think

921
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: he did hold him out.

922
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: A little bit. Yeah, I mean, but like I think

923
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: if ever there was.

924
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 4: A celebrity bigger, they were not famous because.

925
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: We like them.

926
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I think Khan was a celebrity, right, but

927
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 4: I think he really bummed people out right right right.

928
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: I think they were like, fuck, I heard Genghis might

929
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: be coming, y'all.

930
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they knew there was a bad thing

931
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 4: on its way and they couldn't do nothing about it.

932
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: God, I mean the fact that like that that video

933
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,959
Speaker 2: I think I think it's nineteen Mike Jackson nineteen ninety

934
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: two and uh, how do you say boot crist like

935
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 2: Chris Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Uh, and where it's

936
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 2: like the most famous video ever this this concert where

937
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 2: he jumps out from the stage, stands there five minutes.

938
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 2: The crowd is screaming, screaming. He's just looking. You almost

939
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: don't even know if it's actually him because he's standing

940
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: so still right and he's got his shades on. And

941
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, he like like three minutes

942
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: later he turns his head and then another uproar happens

943
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: super Bowl, like what the hell? Yeah, what are you

944
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 2: gonna do with? Like how do you even? And people

945
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: are fainting passing out.

946
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, people died because of Michael Jackson. Bro. And then

947
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: he just like went to bed that night.

948
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like God, yeah, That's what I'm saying, Like, God,

949
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: it's crazy, it's crazy like that. I mean, I don't know,

950
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 2: I don't know any other artists I could like pull

951
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: that off to where you're like, you know, I've seen

952
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: some amazing concerts where people like go crazy.

953
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 4: And I'll say this, and we do have to take

954
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 4: a break, but I will say this, the greatest artists

955
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 4: possibly ever are the product of Jehovah's witnesses.

956
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: We've we've talked about that on here before. We have

957
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 1: talked about that on here before.

958
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: They they cook. I got it.

959
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: I think they got something. They got it. I think

960
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: they got something pretty good going.

961
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 4: On, Prince, just statistically, and I'm not gonna era out

962
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 4: other names that I know necessarily, but there there there

963
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 4: are quite a few.

964
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: We can we go to break before we get too

965
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: far into this.

966
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: Sorry, Yeah, we're gonna take a break.

967
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 2: No, she tried to save us, and I appreciate that.

968
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: All Right, We're gonna take a break. More Shapelle, lazy more,

969
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: my mama told me.

970
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 10: But we're gonna do disrespectfully otherwise will end in a duel,

971
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 10: and I mean a duel, real life duel where only

972
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 10: one person walks away. We can meet with guns, bottles,

973
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 10: knives or books and equations, but we're going to do

974
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 10: this like man, So get.

975
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 2: Ready, I'm ready.

976
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: We're all back. Welcome back to my Mama told me,

977
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, and Bottles is maybe the

978
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: craziest one of all those.

979
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: What movie is that?

980
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: That's not Oh no, no, no, that's right, brother, that's them

981
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: just talking.

982
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 4: Nobody else wrote that monologue that was of his own creation.

983
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 4: You would think, no, it felt like it, brother, that

984
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 4: you're confusing one genius with another genius.

985
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: They are both geniuses.

986
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 2: Damn. I guess I just accepted.

987
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: I bought this bottle to this equation fight. Yeah right,

988
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 1: I got all these books.

989
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: He's got guns.

990
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: I'd never considered that they would have guns. That an

991
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 1: equation fight, not an equation equation fight.

992
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 2: Oh man.

993
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: Anyways, Likeston did some research. We did.

994
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 4: We're talking about the possibout ability that Michael Jackson was assassinated,

995
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 4: and one of the things that you talked about was

996
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 4: his ownership of Sony that like, he had a major

997
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 4: stock in Sony, had an active beef with Sony on

998
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 4: multiple occasions, and that beef actually left him in a

999
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 4: situation where I think he sold his share or his

1000
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 4: assets in Sony eight or whatever it was called, for

1001
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 4: one point two billion dollars to them. It sounds like

1002
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 4: Sonny buy's steake in Michael Jackson catalog valuing rights over

1003
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 4: one point two billion dollars. Oh but no, this is

1004
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four that his estate sells the rights. Yeah,

1005
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 4: that they they they acquire it. They bought it basically

1006
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 4: for one point two billion dollars. But up to that

1007
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 4: point he had essentially one point two billion dollars worth

1008
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 4: of some shit that they wanted.

1009
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: Wow.

1010
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 1: And then as estate sold it, people sold it. Yeah,

1011
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: the estate.

1012
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 4: Finally, the deal, which is likely worth at least six

1013
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 4: hundred million, includes half of the Late Stars publishing and

1014
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 4: recorded Masters.

1015
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: His stuff too.

1016
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 4: It's valued at that one point two billion, and they're

1017
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 4: saying it's probably going to sell for or at the

1018
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 4: time was probably going to sell for six hundred million.

1019
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 2: Oh got it, got it.

1020
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: So they get the getting it for cheap.

1021
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 4: Basically this thing that they know is worth more than

1022
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 4: one point two billion dollars.

1023
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: I know that's I was literally thinking that. I was like,

1024
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 2: why do I feel like one point two is like

1025
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 2: like light, like it feels light. And then.

1026
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: And then they cut in half. They've only paid six

1027
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: hundred million. That's why you need the dog around.

1028
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 2: You need a dog, You need it.

1029
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: Joseph.

1030
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. True.

1031
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: I don't mean to go back to that.

1032
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, you need.

1033
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: Because at that point money is just an idea and

1034
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: money is just power.

1035
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 4: And I think that's what Michael was able to do

1036
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 4: the entire time he was alive.

1037
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 2: You'll say no, but you know, then to bring into

1038
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 2: like the newer age or whatever. It's like, uh, trying

1039
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: to make this all I kind of tie it a

1040
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 2: little bit together. But like when Taylor Swift and I

1041
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 2: think it was like her first four or five albums

1042
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: or whatever it was like, and like she wasn't getting

1043
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 2: the masters or anything to that, she just went re

1044
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 2: recorded it Taylor's version, right, Yeah, she went re recorded

1045
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: it and told her fans not to listen to the

1046
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: old ones and to listen to the new ones, which

1047
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 2: I think is a very gangster move because because here's

1048
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 2: the thing, here's the thing that like people don't like.

1049
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: I think so many people don't like. Sometimes they make

1050
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 2: us forget that we have the audience. They don't know

1051
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 2: who you are. They don't know who you are in

1052
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: the building, they don't know who you are behind the desk.

1053
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 2: They know who I am. And if I say do this,

1054
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: you know they like me. So much and they funded

1055
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: me so much. Say I've earned these uh this audience

1056
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 2: trusts they're going to do that.

1057
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got I got thirty barbarians ready to move.

1058
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: Let me just let me just I mean, but like,

1059
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 2: imagine if Michael did something like that, oh like to

1060
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: where he could just change up the game and be like,

1061
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 2: all right, I got you and I do for him.

1062
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 2: I would still kill for him.

1063
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 4: And I do think that if I represent a corporation,

1064
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 4: a giant organization that cannot control the way that my

1065
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 4: music is consumed and could be all threatened by a

1066
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 4: dude who hates my guts, maybe I want you dead. Yeah,

1067
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 4: maybe I want you accused of crimes that that maybe

1068
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 4: you do commit. But now I'm making it public because

1069
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 4: that was a ditty shit, right is Like Diddy has

1070
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 4: been on this misbehavior tour for a lifetime, but it

1071
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 4: wasn't until supposedly he got in bad blood with the

1072
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 4: owners of Surak and sort of refused to play ball

1073
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 4: on some shit that they wanted to do with that

1074
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 4: larger sort of umbrella company that then finally people went

1075
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 4: all right, well, if you ain't gonna play with us,

1076
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 4: now people are going to know how you move. Now

1077
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 4: people are gonna start seeing videos and hearing your business and.

1078
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: Say, that's kind of what happened with that Drake shit too.

1079
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 4: I think mad crazy, and I think the dangerous thing

1080
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 4: we would do is go like that absolves these individuals

1081
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 4: of whatever they did.

1082
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: That's not really it was what's like the specifics of

1083
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: it he was about. He was it was like a

1084
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: two million dollar deal right with Universal. I do know

1085
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: that I put it out there now, I didn't know

1086
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: it as well as I thought. But the timing of it,

1087
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: the timing of it, of the whole takedown was also.

1088
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: So your springboarding, all the timing of things of like

1089
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But I but I but I I

1090
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 2: think I've always heard that like did he was kind

1091
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 2: of like a no.

1092
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: I think it was a quiet secret for sure.

1093
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 4: I'm saying that that there's a reason that suddenly the

1094
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 4: law is getting enforced around him in a way that

1095
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 4: it wasn't that it was the fact that you're able

1096
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 4: to be like, oh my whole life.

1097
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: I heard he was kind of a while dude.

1098
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it means that like so did the so did

1099
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 4: the cops they chose when they were r Kelly. Yeah,

1100
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 4: the girl that he peed on went to my high school. Man,

1101
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 4: it wasn't bro it wasn't. This wasn't like a secret

1102
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 4: at all.

1103
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: I know, I know like that I remember being a kid.

1104
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: I'm not hearing about him being on but like we

1105
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: just kind of like.

1106
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: Wanted to see.

1107
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 2: Out loud dog.

1108
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 4: Beyond that, if you wanted to see R. Kelly, go

1109
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 4: to rock and roll McDonald's on a Saturday and you

1110
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 4: a team will be there where he is also trying

1111
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 4: to find teens. It was just understood like Robert Kelly

1112
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 4: likes to hang out at the rock and roll McDonald's.

1113
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: Where teams be at in the in the epicenter of downtown.

1114
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 2: So so so what do you what do you think

1115
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 2: it was with him as far as like was there

1116
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: something with his music as far as well they're like

1117
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: all right, R Kelly, now we're gonna get you. Yeah,

1118
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: like what was the timing on? Well?

1119
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I don't know enough about like the

1120
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 4: way that that his music deals and contracts and all

1121
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 4: this stuff work, but I do know that for a

1122
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 4: long time he represented a big, big money grab in

1123
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 4: the industry.

1124
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: He wrote music for.

1125
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 4: Mariah Carey, Celean Dion there he was.

1126
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: Did you get your shots? Come on? Would you see?

1127
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: That's when I think they went.

1128
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: He's singing about sex trafficking.

1129
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: Maybe we got to stop.

1130
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 11: It's my favoriteport.

1131
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 4: Girl, Would you like to come back with drop to

1132
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 4: an ABC.

1133
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: At one point he was calling himself the pied piper

1134
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: he was and our faces wearing Zoro mats.

1135
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 4: And I think that everybody was fine with that so

1136
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 4: long as their pockets were lined a certain way.

1137
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: And I think at some.

1138
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 4: Point the wrong people And now R Kelly is especially dumb,

1139
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 4: and he was documenting himself on hard VHS's like, I

1140
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 4: think there's a.

1141
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 2: Level these cans just be filming.

1142
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 4: I think there's a level of stupidity that that Diddy

1143
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 4: even had.

1144
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: You know, Diddy was.

1145
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 4: On some very savvy trafficking he was on some some

1146
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 4: other ship. R Kelly was a real dirt dog about

1147
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 4: it and made it easy for people to be like,

1148
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 4: hey man, you're in absolute monds.

1149
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: So these motherfuckers know what these guys are doing, and

1150
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 2: it's just like, hey, you fuck us over.

1151
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 4: I'm I think one hundred percent, yes, yeah, I mean

1152
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 4: I think that's like, especially when you reach a level

1153
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 4: of notoriety.

1154
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: How do you hide anything, Jason? You know what I'm saying, like,

1155
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: how do you hide in? How what's he doing where

1156
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: nobody can talk or see? You know?

1157
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 4: Jay Z did two albums with him, and one of

1158
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 4: them came after were it was like, all right, cool,

1159
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 4: you good, let's let's get back to work. Unfinished business.

1160
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, after the Yeah, that's why it was unfinished.

1161
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 2: Same girl. Nobody.

1162
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody is like, yeah, we we just

1163
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: it comes up, we talk about we talk about how

1164
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: great she was, like she really had it, had it

1165
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: hear the story, Yeah, that's summer of her life.

1166
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess that is an interesting point. You

1167
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 2: always see there's this thing that like that happens when

1168
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: people were just like, oh, we're gonna put this out.

1169
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1170
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that that absolves anybody. I don't

1171
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 4: think that these are good people that we're talking about,

1172
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 4: but I do think that like the way that we

1173
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 4: consume media has always been under the hand of someone else, truly.

1174
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 2: And maybe that's the beauty that the fact that we

1175
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 2: don't even know who these people are, and maybe that's

1176
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 2: what's good about them, and that's.

1177
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: Why we can't know, we can't know who they are.

1178
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's what That's what I'm saying, Like, that's

1179
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 2: that That's probably why works in their favor so much.

1180
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: It's just like they don't know who we are. You know,

1181
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 2: exactly who Michael Jackson is.

1182
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. Now I can put a

1183
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: button on it.

1184
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could just Oh the guy that changes skin tone. Yeah,

1185
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 2: trust this guy. Yeah, you trust this guy. Oh yeah,

1186
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 2: this you know what I mean?

1187
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, don't worry about how much money.

1188
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1189
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 4: And I think that also makes you makes it a

1190
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 4: lot easier for you to roll out a new artist

1191
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 4: over them or make them disappear, you know what I

1192
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 4: mean To our point about Michael Jackson's that that album

1193
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 4: with Invincible, Yeah, it's it's Hey, you are the most

1194
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 4: powerful man on a planet. They show you walk into

1195
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 4: rooms like this. Yeah, and we still have so much

1196
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 4: money and so much influence. We can make it so

1197
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 4: that not that many people fuck with it. Yeah, because

1198
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 4: you're still just one entity. They have the resources of

1199
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 4: the machine. They control everybody.

1200
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: It's like a conglomerate. Yeah, whatever you want to call it.

1201
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: Patrol over press, that's what I mean.

1202
01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 2: They have the whole.

1203
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: So like as much as you can do as one person,

1204
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: they still have it's still a group. They could be

1205
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: like write a bad review about this. Yeah, it's a

1206
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: group of it's a group. It's a group of protected interests.

1207
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 4: And that's why I think it's absurd that people fully

1208
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 4: deny the Illuminati. Like it's not that the Illuminati and

1209
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 4: as an organization under that title exists, but the very

1210
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 4: thought that, like the head of Sony doesn't have the

1211
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 4: head of some oil company and the head of some

1212
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 4: other company all tied in on.

1213
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 2: Hey, you got a lot of money, I got a

1214
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 2: lot of money. List and money.

1215
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: At some point the number is just equals to power, right, Yeah,

1216
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: And so it's like you have you have six point

1217
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: seven power, I have seven point four power. All right,

1218
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: Well we gotta hang out, bro, and or we hate

1219
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: each other.

1220
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

1221
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 4: And think about how you become a billionaire. The only

1222
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 4: way to become a billionaire is to diversify your portfolio

1223
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 4: to such an extent that you can be a megan

1224
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 4: millionaire in like eight different right, right, Like you have

1225
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 4: to combine into fucking voltron of like nasty ship to

1226
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 4: be able to make billionaire. Right, Michael Jackson very much

1227
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 4: had his hands in eight different things that I bet

1228
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 4: the head of Sony can make a phone call on

1229
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 4: and go. We don't do Michael Jackson video games no more.

1230
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 2: I'm glad. I just want to be a comedian. I

1231
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 2: just want to Jos.

1232
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 3: You know.

1233
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: The thirst for power is like that'll really take you out?

1234
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: How to really get you out of here?

1235
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean yeah, I mean it's it's just one

1236
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 2: thing that just exists in our world. And I mean,

1237
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 2: what am I going to do about it?

1238
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: I don't got that dog in me. I'm not even

1239
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm not even particularly savvy for what I'm doing now.

1240
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:57,919
Speaker 2: I well be a meeting.

1241
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,439
Speaker 1: Sometimes it have to be like hold on, what does

1242
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: this mean?

1243
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 2: I know? So stop. So it's always fun sharing me. Yeah.

1244
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: So it's always fun being an outside of this ship

1245
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 2: because you're just like, oh yeah over there.

1246
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like, you know, I truly feel like I'm

1247
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: the type of person who would have got invited to

1248
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: the Diddy party and not knowing what happened, Yeah, I

1249
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: would have left like your party was cool?

1250
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 11: Ship?

1251
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 2: You know what you like? All right, David later Man, Yeah, yeah,

1252
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 2: we got the uber right here, got home, happy ship.

1253
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 2: You know I didn't.

1254
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 12: I wasn't adding value to the rest of this. And

1255
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 12: I think they know I wasn't going to go in

1256
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 12: the room. I know I wasn't gonna go in there.

1257
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 4: I will say that I do think that that is

1258
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 4: the Internet is treating it as if Diddy, like if

1259
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 4: you showed up at the party, this nigga locked the

1260
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 4: doors and you had to get fed.

1261
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 2: Think of the niggas weren't making it. Yes, they were leaving, brother.

1262
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people were crazy.

1263
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: I'll be sure it was there, you know what I'm saying.

1264
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people were just happy to

1265
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 4: be a part of a fun evening.

1266
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 2: And then and then the light skin back in the day,

1267
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 2: he was the lightest one.

1268
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: I didn't get no lighter.

1269
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 2: Barge.

1270
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and spirit because the barge, the barge. They yeah,

1271
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 4: they were light skinned, but they they'll they'll like fight you.

1272
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: They were brothers, right, They operated like a gang. Yeah

1273
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: they were.

1274
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 4: They were sucking Chico in and out of jail to

1275
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 4: this day. Yeah, they're committed to that. I ain't no fighter, baby,

1276
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 4: he wouldn't do that.

1277
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: Get your hands off my mink like that.

1278
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:01,919
Speaker 2: He was on a whole different ways different broyh. Yeah,

1279
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 2: it's man, it's yeah, it's crazy that Like I mean,

1280
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 2: that's just the world where I'm like, you know, like

1281
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 2: that's why I said, like, you know, looking at it,

1282
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can only tell you what I believe

1283
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 2: in what I think after that, Yeah, I mean, you

1284
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 2: got to do for yourself with with what you want,

1285
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 2: you know.

1286
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: And like, had you wanted to be there, you would

1287
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: have had the instincts to get you there.

1288
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 2: That's the thing.

1289
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: We don't even have the instinct you.

1290
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. They even get over there.

1291
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,439
Speaker 1: They're like I've been working in showpingness for a long time,

1292
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: truly have not seen that much crazy ship as it is,

1293
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: it has worked for me, yeah you know what I mean.

1294
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: But then I know people who have seen crazier shit

1295
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, nah, I didn't even.

1296
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 2: But also like also like we're we're I mean, I

1297
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 2: feel like, I mean, you know, quote me if I'm wrong,

1298
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 2: but like you know, uh when I say, quote me

1299
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 2: from that right or let me know if I'm wrong.

1300
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I mean, I'm such a guy like

1301
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 2: and I feel like you guys like too were like

1302
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 2: like I just be like nah to a lot of ship,

1303
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 2: Like I don't have Like there's just just nothing in

1304
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 2: me that makes me want to go let me go

1305
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 2: do that over there now. I'm just like I enjoy

1306
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 2: the things that I do. I go to concerts, I

1307
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 2: go I have fun on stage, I'll go skate whatever,

1308
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 2: I'll do that like that, Like I love having that life.

1309
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 2: Like I feel like I still feel like a normal dude.

1310
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 2: Like I don't feel like I'm like you know people.

1311
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 2: I mean there's people that want to say hi and

1312
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 2: take a picture. That's cool whatever. I'm like, yeah, yeah,

1313
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 2: you know whatever. But like I love doing the things

1314
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 2: that like I've always enjoyed doing living.

1315
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 4: Your life exactly as you chose.

1316
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 2: Because that's the thing. That's the thing, Like like all

1317
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,799
Speaker 2: of us have a choice, Like they all had a choice.

1318
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 2: Could have been like I'm done after the judge.

1319
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: You gotta want to go, you gotta want to go

1320
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: out there. Like we talk about just having to leave

1321
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: the house sometimes, like we should, really we should, we

1322
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: should really just be going out.

1323
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 2: We gotta really alone.

1324
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't have the taste for like

1325
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: what the things you gotta do to do.

1326
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 2: Listen, when I like, when I get off stage at

1327
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 2: whatever show I'm doing around town, that momentum I'm using

1328
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 2: to walk off stage leads me right to my car. Man,

1329
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, last time I saw you, you were

1330
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 2: in your car leaving the comedy store. I get off,

1331
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 2: get off stage, and I leave, you know, because there's

1332
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 2: just something I think. It's like, Okay, this is this

1333
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 2: is why I like to ship there. There's I saw

1334
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 2: in an interview, Donald Glover said something that was so dope.

1335
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 2: He goes, uh. He says something like like when you

1336
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 2: wake up, when when you first wake up in the morning,

1337
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 2: that's the most one you like before anything else, Like

1338
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 2: you waking up in the morning. It's like you and

1339
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 2: I and I thought about that in like another aspect.

1340
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, when I was like, when I get

1341
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 2: off stage, I get my car, I go home to

1342
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 2: like get get ready for bed, I'm like, I'm not

1343
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 2: sure Pelasi the comedian anymore. I'm just a guy that's

1344
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 2: driving home, you know, just getting ready for bed.

1345
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: Like yeah, everything that.

1346
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 2: Was yeah, Like this crowd was just like, oh, you

1347
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 2: know whatever, blah blah blah. Like when when I'm driving

1348
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 2: home and like you know, it's it's it's literally just

1349
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 2: exactly who I am.

1350
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 1: All that stuff stays at the club. I think that

1351
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: stays at the club. I think that's why sometimes hotel

1352
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: rooms are so weird, because it's like you'll be in

1353
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 1: the hotel room and you're just like watching Sports Center

1354
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: or whatever. Like I was just that ship fifteen minutes ago. Well, bro,

1355
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean now I grabbed a sandwich. The worst time of.

1356
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 2: I try to be cool. That's what it is.

1357
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 4: The worst time of the night for me is that

1358
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 4: like two to sometimes four hour come down from the stage,

1359
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 4: where like my adrenaline is still spiked, like I'm still

1360
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 4: up here like a motherfucker, like with what's moving through

1361
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 4: my body. But my want is to sit and just

1362
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 4: present with myself and not yeah, I mean I want

1363
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 4: to fucking watch anime. I want to like get lost.

1364
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 2: I mean bullshit, talk about it, bro, But.

1365
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 4: Like I'm still like kind of buzzing while I'm fucking

1366
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 4: watching Attack on Titan. And that's not that's not like

1367
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:14,839
Speaker 4: good energy.

1368
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: That just happened to me. That just happened to me.

1369
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: Saturday night, I was just in the condo in New

1370
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: Orleans and I was like yeah, yeah, and you're like

1371
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: because like you get older and then it's like, okay,

1372
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 1: well you can't really get drunk like you used to.

1373
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 1: You can't, like because the places you would have siphoned

1374
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: that when you were younger that you didn't even necessarily know,

1375
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: you know what, that's what was happening, you know what

1376
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: I mean?

1377
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 2: Right? I think what it is for me is like

1378
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 2: like I've never had anything like this, Yeah, you know

1379
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 2: what I mean. So like when I when I think

1380
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 2: about it, I'm like, bro, like how do I protect this?

1381
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 2: Like this is like I get to like still do

1382
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 2: the ship that I like always wanted to do. I don't.

1383
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 2: I don't have to work, you know, a nine to five.

1384
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 2: I can live off this.

1385
01:11:59,040 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: I go.

1386
01:11:59,320 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 2: That's fire.

1387
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the luckiest guy in the world.

1388
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 2: All what I feel. I feel like luckiest fuck you

1389
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And like and even even if

1390
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 2: you have those, like you go through a weekend somewhere

1391
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 2: and it's like, hell, all right, man, They're like there's

1392
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 2: you fifteen people, you know what I mean, And You're

1393
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 2: just like, I ain't fucking fifteen people here were cool

1394
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 2: with chill. I'm in a different city. Yeah, you know

1395
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 2: what I mean.

1396
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 1: Like people, fifty people in Cleveland know me.

1397
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that wasn't gonna wasn't gonna happen. Wasn't gonna happen. Bro, Yeah,

1398
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 2: that wasn't gonna happen. You know what I'm saying.

1399
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: Like, that's why we got to throw these things out

1400
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: the window. That comparative man.

1401
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 2: Comparative ship really does kill you. And it's like and

1402
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 2: I think a lot of that, Like you know, I think, Yeah, Mike,

1403
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,719
Speaker 2: Mike had a fucking massive ego, bro had Like yeah,

1404
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: you like to get that way, bro, you like you

1405
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 2: have to like all these guys like have like these

1406
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 2: even fifty cent. I love fifty and fifty cent cracking

1407
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 2: me the funk up. But like like he has like

1408
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 2: a massive ego to that, there's.

1409
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: Just a huge ego, Like speaking against him on this.

1410
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 2: Love, I'll pay, I'll pay. I'll pay you what I

1411
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 2: owe you by Monday.

1412
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: We respect you, Curtis.

1413
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 2: I mean I would have I would have personally taken

1414
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 2: the bullets out of Curtis myself if I could, you

1415
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 2: know what I mean, That's how I feel. That's why

1416
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 2: I Yeah, if they're like, hey, the only way, the

1417
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 2: only way Curtis can live. You gotta suck these bullets. Okay.

1418
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to have the own money, so yet

1419
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 2: I don't want him to want him to make fun

1420
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 2: of me. I will definitely don't want him to please

1421
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 2: please please don't film this though, because he will use

1422
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 2: it against me. Yeah. But no, like there's just like, yeah,

1423
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,719
Speaker 2: I think you know, and I like we all have ego.

1424
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 2: That's like you can't like get away from that. But

1425
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 2: like I try to like maintain it to where I'm like,

1426
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, hey, you're you're not on stage anymore, bro,

1427
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 2: Well you know some people don't. Some people don't think

1428
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 2: about that. It's like, bro, you know you're not on

1429
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 2: stage right now.

1430
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,719
Speaker 1: You know what I can't have my ego be backed

1431
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: by is actual money. I have to just I just

1432
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: have to keep it based in the quality of what

1433
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: I think I'm doing. Does that makes sense once I

1434
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 1: attach the commerce to it, and then that idea is

1435
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, that's where all that's.

1436
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 2: Where I die. Yeah, where I go.

1437
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: Over there and I start those are the games I'm

1438
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: trying to play.

1439
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 2: That's that I always think. I always think there's a

1440
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 2: thing like like naming your price. You know what I mean,

1441
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 2: it's all like what caused my prices?

1442
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 1: I just want to be good. I'm really lucky. That's

1443
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: all I have for me.

1444
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 4: I think I found some comfort in the price being

1445
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 4: joy and not joy. So as long as there's something

1446
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 4: that that I'll be like, yeah, that would be a

1447
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 4: fun ass time, I'll go do it.

1448
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1449
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 4: I'm not tripping off of whether or not this is.

1450
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,600
Speaker 4: And thankfully I have enough things that can pay my

1451
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 4: bills that I can protect stand up at least in

1452
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,759
Speaker 4: that way where I go. If that will be fun,

1453
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 4: then I will do it.

1454
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 2: I will do it. It's nothing crazy, nothing out of pocket.

1455
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah that yeah, I stayed. I stayed doing rooms. I

1456
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: get on playing to do a room because I have

1457
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: some other jobs. So yeah, like Dayton, Kentucky to do

1458
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: what's the tapes?

1459
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 2: No, No, that's in Louis fore Danon Kentucky. Has the Commonwealth?

1460
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's a fun room.

1461
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 2: Are you about to get in the old church? Yeah?

1462
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: Shout out to commonwealth.

1463
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 2: Shouts out commonwealth.

1464
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 1: Hear you all say this. You have a good time.

1465
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: You have a great time, and it's weird. You're like

1466
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: you how close Cincinnati is to Kentucky so close.

1467
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 2: Also Dayton, Kentucky, I got not the most fun city

1468
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 2: to be in, but just just hop across, you know,

1469
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 2: home across that bridge over a little bit more fun.

1470
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 1: I got you. There's just it's just so small. It's

1471
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: just so small.

1472
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 2: But uh oh yeah, Like Bro, I love going out

1473
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 2: there and doing those rooms. Like Mike, why did you

1474
01:15:58,520 --> 01:15:59,799
Speaker 2: go out and do a small room? Michael?

1475
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,600
Speaker 1: Come on, I think people literally would have shipped themselves

1476
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 1: and they would have burned the building down.

1477
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael in an intimate room.

1478
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,839
Speaker 1: Bro, I don't think it never, if it ever happened,

1479
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: think about that that.

1480
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 4: I think I think it would have been irresponsible for

1481
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 4: him to go into a small room.

1482
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I think so.

1483
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: Like Bro, I did some ship with Will Smith one time,

1484
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: and they were like the casino was like, we can't

1485
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: have him on the floor. We can't insure it. And

1486
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: this was before.

1487
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 2: Sure Yeah yeah.

1488
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: They were like we can't handle the insurance. And this

1489
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 1: was before Red Table talk ship. Yeah, this is like

1490
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: it's like six seven years ago.

1491
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1492
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: They were like like, so we had to like we

1493
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 1: he had to come in the back, and then we did.

1494
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: We shot some stuff, and then they shut down a

1495
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: top golf and we shot some stuff and then we

1496
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 1: all had to go to his hotel room No Diddy,

1497
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 1: and we shot some stuff. Could not be on the

1498
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 1: casino floor, wow, because he just yeah, yeah, so what

1499
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 1: like with Michael, there was no there's no opportunity for

1500
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: him to do it. There's no you can't even get

1501
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: It's like it's not safe for the room.

1502
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 2: For Prince to do it, it would have to be

1503
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 2: like a straight up secret. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1504
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean Prince did smaller rooms towards the end, because

1505
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: I remember I wanted to go see him at Slims

1506
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: in San Francisco the year before he died, and it

1507
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: was but it was like tickets were it's expensive as

1508
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: fuck and Slims isn't small.

1509
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 4: I also think Prince by a certain point had done

1510
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:23,919
Speaker 4: a lot to like change the way that people treated

1511
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 4: his celebrity like he he very intentionally was like, I

1512
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 4: don't I don't if he's gonna be God, I don't

1513
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 4: want to compete with God in that way. I'm gonna

1514
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 4: find a different way to play this where I am

1515
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:40,679
Speaker 4: like a mysterious sort of like shadow of a man.

1516
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 4: And so it's there was you could see Prince in

1517
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 4: a small room because that was part of his lore.

1518
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,799
Speaker 1: But he protects it to this day. Right, that documentary

1519
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: didn't come out, It never is gonna come out. They

1520
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 1: were gonna make like a sup They did make it.

1521
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 4: They did make a super in depth Prince document Like

1522
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,719
Speaker 4: the law around it is is that it's the greatest

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01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 4: documentary ever created.

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01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 1: That like it is.

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01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 4: It is supposed to be like a miracle of a

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01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 4: revelation for like how you understand him, but then also

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01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 4: like human relationships and like how we can all kind

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01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 4: of like embody the greatness that is this man. It

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01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 4: like it is supposed to be like life change and

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01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 4: ship and legal battle whatever whatever Netflix candidate, it's never

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01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 4: going to exist.

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Speaker 2: Wow damn see that. See that hurts me more than

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01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 2: like then, like we're not releasing Jackie on NASA's dress

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01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 2: until you get the dress.

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01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 4: And we do have that recorded you say that we

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01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,799
Speaker 4: caught it on that camera and in the wide See.

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01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 2: This is and this is why let me ask you this,

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01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 2: like like how I guess this is like odd question

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01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 2: because like this, I mean it's not too odd for us,

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01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 2: but like based off what we do you know, we're

1541
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 2: stand ups like and and sometimes, like like I said,

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01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 2: I think you don't know when it like like happens,

1543
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 2: like when it happens for you, because it's like it's

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01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,759
Speaker 2: literally I feel like it's kind of like out of nowhere,

1545
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 2: like I mean, we put the energy out there, like

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01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 2: like just just more so recently, like you know, I'm

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01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 2: only saying this to the fucking I hate even saying this.

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01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 2: Just recently I got over the hump of like now

1549
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 2: I'm like selling out shows. Yeah, but like like I

1550
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 2: didn't know like when that was coming, Like I'm just

1551
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 2: like doing the things that like literally all of us,

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01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So like I guess like

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01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 2: like how my question is is like how famous would

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01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 2: you want to be?

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01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 4: I think not much more than I think we all

1556
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 4: say that we.

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01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 2: All say, but a lot of times you can't. You

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01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 2: can't control get.

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01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: Stressed though, like you've seen it. I'd be getting really

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01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: stressed about exposure in that way.

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01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 2: But so like there might be something today or tomorrow

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01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 2: for next week that just fucking yeah, all of a sudden,

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01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 2: David Borie is like, you want yourself more night, said

1564
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 2: the Wiltern. You you want yourself to.

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01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: Be open to that, and I would like take the

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01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,679
Speaker 1: opportunity as it came. But like, am I like freaking

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01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 1: out about it not happening tomorrow? No, because I know

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01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 1: that I get like I get a high level like

1569
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 1: even on this. Sometimes we'll do some shit and I'll

1570
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 1: talk to Langston and.

1571
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 2: Be like, oh, no, you know what I mean.

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01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 1: So it's like, so it's like if I have to

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01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 1: be real on what I think I could handle for

1574
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: an and you obviously you you rise to it or whatever.

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01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 4: I think the scary part of celebrity is that we

1576
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 4: don't get to control the stopping point. Yeah that's I think.

1577
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,679
Speaker 4: I one hundred percent do not envision myself in any

1578
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 4: way close to whatever these two have going on. That

1579
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:04,520
Speaker 4: is not everyone want decile that's beautiful, that's gorgeous.

1580
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's beautiful.

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01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 2: A little for that, I just.

1582
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: Wonder I want people to mention my name and everybody laughs.

1583
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 2: A little bit, but you know you know what I mean. Yeah, like,

1584
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 2: but we don't get to pick. But like, so like

1585
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 2: this is this is who like one of my favorites,

1586
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 2: and like I feel like controlling their celebrity and their

1587
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 2: situation is Kendrick. I love the way that the guy

1588
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 2: will just fucking be quiet well you know, like for

1589
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 2: for you know, because what he came up with damn

1590
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, and then mister Moraud not until two

1591
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 2: or something. It was like five years later or whatever.

1592
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 2: Like you didn't hear anything of them, you know what

1593
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 2: I mean. It's why and people and then people like

1594
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 2: still respect that. Like, oh, I can't remember who was

1595
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 2: telling me about it? Fuck who I remember? Oh it

1596
01:21:57,080 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 2: was Chris Riggins was telling me. Ye shouted to Riggins. Bro.

1597
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 2: He was saying, like when he was on tour with

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01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 2: with Dave Dave Chappelle or whatever, and uh, they one

1599
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 2: night they went to Kindrick concert, right, and they said

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01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 2: he said his green room is literally no one in there,

1601
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 2: like yeah, Like I was like, damn, yeah, I'm very ken. Yeah.

1602
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 2: I like that. And another person another person that I

1603
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 2: like admire with like and in the controlling of their celebrity,

1604
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 2: and that is also a comedian, Daniel Tosh. I love

1605
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:32,520
Speaker 2: the way he does it. Bro like about him exactly

1606
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 2: and like meanwhile, Daniel just like does his fucking thing

1607
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 2: he and and like the guy sells out theaters. The

1608
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 2: guy sells out theaters and he also has a residency

1609
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 2: in Vegas, I believe. And meanwhile, you don't know anything

1610
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 2: about him. He just you can't associate him with any

1611
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 2: type of like you know, Austin, New York, l A.

1612
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 2: You can't really associate him with anything other than just

1613
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 2: like Daniel Tosh, you even know, I don't even know

1614
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 2: who fucking opens for him.

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01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: Pre pandemic eye opened. Yeah. Yeah.

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01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 4: And it is that like he is real like quiet

1617
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 4: about his ship. He goes and does the thing. He's

1618
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 4: got a wife, he's got a family. Yeah, he just

1619
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 4: kind of does. He surfs every day. He's like really

1620
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 4: on his own ship.

1621
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, I want like like I have

1622
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 2: a family whatever, I get to skate every morning, blah

1623
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 2: blah blah. Then I go out and I do I

1624
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 2: go on tour all that ship blah blah blah. Like

1625
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:26,759
Speaker 2: and I think to put a button on it. Sony's

1626
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 2: not gonna kill us. They're looking at us like you

1627
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 2: don't even think they're looking at it looking yeah, yeah,

1628
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:39,480
Speaker 2: catch someone, yeah yeah yeah.

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01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes I also feel like my story dude boy, he's

1630
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 1: talking ship.

1631
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the David boy?

1632
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Sierra Leonian fat immigrants, they're not.

1633
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, like what a relatable story. I

1634
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 2: wonder what they saw our bank accounts, what they would

1635
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 2: think maybe, like that's about right, right.

1636
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: I can't see numbers.

1637
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 2: I have never seen numbers that small. Where's the commas?

1638
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 1: Where's the one comma?

1639
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 2: I didn't know they only did one more than one

1640
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 2: to count? Okay, cool?

1641
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we did it. Tell the people where

1642
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: they can find you.

1643
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 2: What Chappelle Lacy on Everything, tickets at Chappelle Lecy dot com.

1644
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 2: Just come to a live show. That's all I asked.

1645
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 2: That's all I think we all ever ask, you know,

1646
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 2: but yeah, pretty much all that you got.

1647
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: Cool guy jokes eighty seven on Instagram. I don't I

1648
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 1: don't really. I don't really have ship right now. Okay, yeah,

1649
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 1: I don't really have ship. I'm doing a don't tell

1650
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 1: in January. I don't think people even come to those though, right, Yeah.

1651
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,640
Speaker 1: I think they'll feel it, whether you puppet or not.

1652
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 1: In San Diego.

1653
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you feeling one. Yeah, I'm filming one. Oh yeah, bro, Yeah,

1654
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 2: it'll be fun.

1655
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:05,640
Speaker 1: You're gonna kill it there, You're gonna kill it.

1656
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 2: Bro.

1657
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 1: Uh, you can follow me at Langston Kerman.

1658
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 2: Weird guys. Oh, we're happy for you. Yeah, you're gonna

1659
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 2: You're gonna do great things. Yeah, that's good.

1660
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 1: Sony's gonna kill me and Sony is gonna kill you. Uh.

1661
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 4: Follow me at lengths and Kerman on all social media platforms.

1662
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 4: I got some new UH dates in the in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty six for the aspiring Debtbeat Tour.

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Speaker 1: UH.

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01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 4: You can get those tickets at Langston Kerman dot com.

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Speaker 4: I'm hitting I'm hitting some cities I wasn't able to

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01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 4: hit because of conflicts. Cleveland, We're coming back. Doctor Grin's

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Speaker 4: were moving that date UH in Grand Rapids. And then

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Speaker 4: there's gonna be some new UH cities coming up. So

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Speaker 2: I feel like I just snorted cocaine or something. I'm

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Speaker 2: so excited and I never did that before, for the record,

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Speaker 2: for the record quarter record.

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