WEBVTT - Episode 9 - The Close

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<v Speaker 1>I never met, y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know him.

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<v Speaker 1>I know who he is.

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<v Speaker 2>He came into a restaurant that I worked at with

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<v Speaker 2>his family and my friend who knew him. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>know that Gil Fernandez, who we didn't kill Billy. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, and I was freaking out, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't wait on him. I'm like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he killed my brother.

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<v Speaker 3>Laurie Halpern is convinced that ex Miami police officer Gil

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<v Speaker 3>Fernandez and is Apollo Jim Co owner Bert Christi were

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<v Speaker 3>the men behind her brother Billy's.

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<v Speaker 4>Nineteen eighty six murder. She's not the only one.

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<v Speaker 5>They got wins somehow that he had information. He suspected

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<v Speaker 5>he said something out loud that somebody overheard and had

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<v Speaker 5>got back to Bert or Gil or both, and so

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<v Speaker 5>they took him out.

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<v Speaker 3>That was Prosecutor Cindy Imperado, who believe Fernandez and Christi

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<v Speaker 3>were running a crew of fellow bodybuilders that were responsible

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<v Speaker 3>for a string of ripoffs and shakedowns, some of them deadly,

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<v Speaker 3>and when they feared Billy knew too much about their

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<v Speaker 3>criminal activity, Christie ordered Gil to make the threat disappear.

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<v Speaker 5>Whether he did it or not. Nothing's been proven. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>he hasn't been charged with it, but that was the

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<v Speaker 5>theory of the case. So you had a police officer

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<v Speaker 5>who was ripping off drug dealers and killing them and

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<v Speaker 5>then killing anybody else that might witness it.

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<v Speaker 3>If true, it may account for Billy's execution style murder

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<v Speaker 3>in October of nineteen eighty six, the murder of his

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<v Speaker 3>friends Mitch Hall and Charlotte de Drought in May of

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty seven, and the executions of two of Gil's

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<v Speaker 3>own crew, Jimmy high Note and Harry Pollier just six

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<v Speaker 3>weeks later. All of them were members of the Apollo,

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<v Speaker 3>which means all of them could have had the goods

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<v Speaker 3>on Fernandez and Christie.

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<v Speaker 6>If Billy was killed because he knew too much, which

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<v Speaker 6>is the theory that I'm working on, then anyone that

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<v Speaker 6>he could have put into prison by giving that information

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<v Speaker 6>or led that information out, that's who would have benefited.

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<v Speaker 6>So if Billy had information that could put someone in

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<v Speaker 6>jail with what he knew, then killing him is going

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<v Speaker 6>to benefit that person or those people.

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<v Speaker 3>And that may even include members of organized crime.

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<v Speaker 6>There were multiple people that gave information saying that Burt

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<v Speaker 6>Christie was working for the Columbo family out of Chicago.

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<v Speaker 6>Was Billy just in as much danger if a Columbo

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<v Speaker 6>family didn't know about him?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I think he was.

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<v Speaker 6>But I think that a little bit of pressure from

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<v Speaker 6>maybe bosses so Burt Christie would seal a deal for

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<v Speaker 6>Billy and it really seal his faith.

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<v Speaker 3>But if that were true, and Billy was in possession

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<v Speaker 3>of information that could endanger Fernandez and Christie's operation, a

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<v Speaker 3>larger question still looms. How would Gill and Burt have

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<v Speaker 3>known that Billy was a potential threat? After all, according

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<v Speaker 3>to Mark Lopez, there were plenty of guys at the

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<v Speaker 3>gym that knew what was going on and were smart

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<v Speaker 3>enough to look the other way.

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<v Speaker 8>Do you have to realize something that people were very

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<v Speaker 8>afraid because, you know, if he and d was the

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<v Speaker 8>one committing these murders, they thought if they went in

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<v Speaker 8>or cooperated, they were going to be in a jackpot.

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<v Speaker 3>Was Billy's mere proximity to the rumors swirling around the

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<v Speaker 3>Apollo really a reason to kill him?

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<v Speaker 4>It seemed unlikely.

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<v Speaker 8>It just was a guy that I don't think anybody

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<v Speaker 8>thought was tied up. And you know a lot of craziness, right,

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<v Speaker 8>So I think it was just shocked for most people,

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<v Speaker 8>like why would anybody kill this guy?

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<v Speaker 3>But if Billy had indeed gone to the police, that

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<v Speaker 3>was another story. When Billy's friend, Mitch Hall was killed

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<v Speaker 3>six months later, Mitch's sister came to believe that the

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<v Speaker 3>motive behind both their murders was right there in black

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<v Speaker 3>and white.

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<v Speaker 9>My brother came to me and he said, Billy Helpurn

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<v Speaker 9>died and I'm going to find out.

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<v Speaker 4>Who killed him.

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<v Speaker 9>And he went to the police station and he was

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<v Speaker 9>killed the next day. So I'm assuming there was a

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<v Speaker 9>leak in the police station and somebody said Mitch Hall

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<v Speaker 9>knows who killed Billy, and then they went and killed

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<v Speaker 9>him that next day.

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<v Speaker 4>Billy's sister, she'd been harboring the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought, like you were going to tell what you knew

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<v Speaker 2>about Billy and none then you get killed. Who in

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<v Speaker 2>the police department is a bad guy?

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<v Speaker 3>It was time to talk about the elephant in the room.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Scott Weinberger, investigative journalist and former deputy sheriff, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is cold blooded the Apollo Jim murders.

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<v Speaker 4>It is truly a terrifying thought.

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<v Speaker 3>But when Danny had to confront could Gil Fernandez, the

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<v Speaker 3>next cop with dozens of friends in contacts still on

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<v Speaker 3>the force, had been tipped off that Billy halpurn was

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<v Speaker 3>cooperating with law enforcement, and if so, did it cost

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<v Speaker 3>Billy his life?

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<v Speaker 6>My initial thought was not a chance, and that's probably

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<v Speaker 6>a little naive on my part, because obviously there's a chance.

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<v Speaker 3>The first step in uncovering the truth would be the

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<v Speaker 3>search for any record of Billy Halpern's contact with investigators

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<v Speaker 3>in either Miramar or Broward County.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, considering that the Danger Road triple murder was in

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen eighty three and Billy was eighty six, I figured

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<v Speaker 6>there may be some kind of a record that Billy

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<v Speaker 6>was interviewed, just like many other people that were around

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<v Speaker 6>the Apollo gym.

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<v Speaker 3>Which, as we heard from Mark Lopez, would have carried

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<v Speaker 3>with it considerable risk.

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<v Speaker 8>People were very afraid because they knew not he was

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<v Speaker 8>a hardcore gangster, but he was an ex cop and

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<v Speaker 8>he had friends still on the force, So it was like, well,

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<v Speaker 8>if he runted a law how do you know that

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<v Speaker 8>one of his buddies, I'm going to look it back

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<v Speaker 8>to him, and then you're in trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>Danny hoped the truth would lie somewhere in the forty

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<v Speaker 3>year old case file.

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<v Speaker 6>All I could do was just read every single piece

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<v Speaker 6>of paper and at least the case fall that I have,

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<v Speaker 6>and look for any indication that Billy was interviewed.

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<v Speaker 7>And I really couldn't find anything.

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<v Speaker 3>According to the case file kept by a mirror MARPDI,

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<v Speaker 3>there was no evidence that Billy had ever cooperated with investigators.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, no record on file didn't mean Billy was

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<v Speaker 3>never approached.

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<v Speaker 4>It may just mean that Billy was smart.

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<v Speaker 3>Enough to keep it a secret, and Danny, he's smart

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<v Speaker 3>enough to know that not everything makes it.

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<v Speaker 4>On paper and into an investigative file.

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<v Speaker 6>I was able to speak to a couple of the

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<v Speaker 6>detectives that previously worked in these cases back in the

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<v Speaker 6>eighties and asked them, and they also said that they

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<v Speaker 6>don't have any recollection Billy being interviewed.

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<v Speaker 3>So what if Billy didn't go to police, it was

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<v Speaker 3>still likely he had heard the rumors about Gilan Burt,

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<v Speaker 3>possibly even their involvement in the triple murder on Danger Road,

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<v Speaker 3>and that by itself would have been dangerous information to possess.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that Billy did know. I think that anyone

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<v Speaker 6>that spent any amount of time over at the Apollo

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<v Speaker 6>gym would either hear the rumors or maybe even see

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<v Speaker 6>the meetings, or even hear certain conversations by being there.

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<v Speaker 6>The odds of them hearing about certain crimes, I think

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<v Speaker 6>is possible.

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<v Speaker 3>This was confirmed by other Apollo members like Mark Lopez

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<v Speaker 3>and Dave Fasano, guys who had more than an inkling

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<v Speaker 3>of what was going on, but who were wise enough

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<v Speaker 3>to mind their own business.

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<v Speaker 4>So what made them different from Billy?

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<v Speaker 3>Why target Billy and not the other guys at the gym?

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<v Speaker 6>Best guess, and this is speaking with a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>people that were very close with Billy. I think Billy

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<v Speaker 6>was less willing to play ball and keep his mouth shut.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that Billy was probably a little outspoken at

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<v Speaker 6>the atrocities that he had heard about.

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<v Speaker 4>Mark Lopez tends to agree.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't think Billy was necessarily tied up in anything specifically.

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<v Speaker 8>I think he may have just inadvertently been exposed to

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<v Speaker 8>some information and the powers that be thought, why take

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<v Speaker 8>a chance, right, It's just one more guy that's going

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<v Speaker 8>to need to.

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<v Speaker 4>Go one person.

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<v Speaker 3>Danny thinks Billy may have talked to his friend, Mitch Hall.

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<v Speaker 3>The evidence was circumstantial but persuasive, and I said.

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<v Speaker 9>Mitch, don't can involve with those type of people.

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<v Speaker 3>Mitch's sister also remembers Mitch telling her that he was

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<v Speaker 3>willing to go to the police and tell them what

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<v Speaker 3>he knew.

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<v Speaker 9>And he went to the police station and he was

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<v Speaker 9>killed the next day.

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<v Speaker 3>Billy's sister, Laurie, was also convinced that the timing of

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<v Speaker 3>Mitch's murder was no coincidence.

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<v Speaker 2>I really think there had to be a rat, a

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<v Speaker 2>dirty rat in a police department.

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<v Speaker 3>Even a CoP's son like Danny Smith, whose father worked

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<v Speaker 3>in law enforcement for nearly thirty years, knows that South

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<v Speaker 3>Florida in the nineteen eighties was plagued with police corruption.

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<v Speaker 3>The easy money from drugs flowing into South America proved

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<v Speaker 3>irresistible to a lot of people, including some members of

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<v Speaker 3>law enforcement. In fact, the result of a massive crackdown

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<v Speaker 3>on police corruption in nineteen eighty seven revealed that up

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<v Speaker 3>to ten percent of the entire MIAMIPD had been suspended, fired,

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<v Speaker 3>or incarcerated for their involvement in criminal activity. Whether that

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<v Speaker 3>corruption reached the much smaller departments in Brier County or

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<v Speaker 3>MI or mar.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>I obviously want to give the investigators or the police

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<v Speaker 6>officers and the tecers back then the benefit of the doubt.

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<v Speaker 7>However, is it possible? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, And the only way that I could verify that

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<v Speaker 6>is just to legitimately read every word of every document

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<v Speaker 6>that was provided to me and see if there's anything there,

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<v Speaker 6>and then moreover me or speak with the previous detectives

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<v Speaker 6>and just ask ask the question.

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<v Speaker 3>If Danny could find the evidence that Mitch Hall had

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<v Speaker 3>indeed filed a report or met with anyone at Mirror,

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<v Speaker 3>Marpadi or Browie County Sheriff's office, it would go a

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<v Speaker 3>long way to casting suspicion on someone within law enforcement

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<v Speaker 3>being complicit in his murder. But according to Danny, there

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<v Speaker 3>was no record that Mitch had ever met with.

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<v Speaker 6>Police now it happened the crimes were eighty six in

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen eighty seven. Is it very easy for investigators to

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<v Speaker 6>have that conversation with Mitch Hall and not take any

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<v Speaker 6>notes and just ignore it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, There's no way I could verify that, And if

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<v Speaker 6>they didn't want to tell me, then there's nothing I

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<v Speaker 6>can do about that. But assuming that there were notes

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<v Speaker 6>taken because the case file that I have on Billy

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<v Speaker 6>Holburn is extremely well done, well written organized. If anyone

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<v Speaker 6>came in and had an information on Billy's murder, that

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<v Speaker 6>that would have been written down.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether that was enough to quell rumors that someone within

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<v Speaker 3>law enforcement leaked information to Gil. Danny still doesn't know.

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<v Speaker 6>Most of the rumors, if not all. The rumors were

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<v Speaker 6>centered around the fact that Gill was a cop, and

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<v Speaker 6>the assumption was that all cops know each other and

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<v Speaker 6>all cops share information, and there's the idea of he's

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<v Speaker 6>a cop. Even if he's bad, other people are gonna

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<v Speaker 6>cover for him because he's a cop.

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<v Speaker 3>Danny has been in uniform for twenty seven years and

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<v Speaker 3>he knows as well as anybody about the sworn loyalty

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<v Speaker 3>that exists between people who every day put their lives

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<v Speaker 3>into each other's hands. And he can also understand the

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<v Speaker 3>suspicion surrounding his fellow brothers in blue.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a society. Police officers have their own family. There's

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<v Speaker 6>good cops and bad cops out there. Obviously, again, it

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<v Speaker 6>would be naive on my part to blindly say that

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<v Speaker 6>there was never any corruption at any level. I feel

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<v Speaker 6>that it was incumbent upon me to go through and

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<v Speaker 6>check to see if there was any internal affairs investigations

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<v Speaker 6>or any statements that show corruption, because it does happen,

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<v Speaker 6>let's be honest with each other.

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<v Speaker 3>But that search also yielded no evidence that any member

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<v Speaker 3>of law enforcement was ever suspected of being complicit in

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<v Speaker 3>Billy or Mitch's murder.

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<v Speaker 6>There was no indication that there was an internal affairs

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<v Speaker 6>investigation on anyone that related to helping Gil.

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<v Speaker 1>Or helping the Apollo, or saying anything that can be hearing.

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<v Speaker 1>Put the investigators on a different path on purpose. So

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<v Speaker 1>there were never any substantiated rumors naving specific comps or

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<v Speaker 1>improper behavior.

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<v Speaker 7>But they were there. The rumors were around. Everyone around

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<v Speaker 7>it knew it.

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<v Speaker 6>Unfortunately, no solid answers were found in the documentation, and unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 6>in a cold case, that's all I've gotten for now.

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<v Speaker 3>The rumors proved to be just that prosecutors sending imperado

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<v Speaker 3>things that even for Florida cops, there was a limit

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<v Speaker 3>to their loyalty.

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<v Speaker 5>For the most part, law enforcement is loyal to their

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<v Speaker 5>own But I think once they saw what he was

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<v Speaker 5>charged with and everything, it was a different story.

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<v Speaker 3>But considering the client tele at the Apollo, Fernandez and

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<v Speaker 3>Christie probably didn't need a crooked cop to keep threats

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<v Speaker 3>at bay.

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<v Speaker 4>They had enough eyes and ears right there in the gym, including.

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<v Speaker 3>One long time friend who may have set the stage

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<v Speaker 3>for Billy's murder. By nineteen eighty six, Billy Halburn had

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<v Speaker 3>left his job as a paramedic at the Hollandale Fire

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<v Speaker 3>Department due to a lingering back injury.

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<v Speaker 4>Billy told his sister Laurie.

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<v Speaker 3>That he was going to deploy his charm and good

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<v Speaker 3>looks into a new career in sales, namely the trade

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<v Speaker 3>of fine art and rare coins. The career change suited him,

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<v Speaker 3>after all, South Florida in the mid eighties seemed to

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<v Speaker 3>be flushed with easy money, and Billy was eager to

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<v Speaker 3>get a piece of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Billy probably still had been for Nickolie ever

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<v Speaker 2>made when he died.

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<v Speaker 7>She was so frugal.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a paper of a pad like that of

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<v Speaker 2>all the money that people owed him.

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<v Speaker 3>But according to Laurie, she did notice signs that the

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<v Speaker 3>rare coin trade might have given way to another more

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<v Speaker 3>lucrative business.

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<v Speaker 2>Then Billy and Jimmy got involved with I thought our

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<v Speaker 2>dealing or you know, I'm not even sure what I

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<v Speaker 2>thought they were doing, but I didn't really think about

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<v Speaker 2>it because we all grew up together.

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<v Speaker 1>Were there a couple of guys that said that you

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<v Speaker 1>might have been selling a little bit of drugs here

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<v Speaker 1>and there?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 10>Oh huge death last Yeah, I mean, we're not an idiot,

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<v Speaker 10>and safe to say it paid a lot better than coins.

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<v Speaker 2>They were making money. Oh my god, the money was

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<v Speaker 2>sick that you would that they were making. And I

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<v Speaker 2>really always felt that he would talk about it too much.

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<v Speaker 4>But according to Laurie, Billy was never long for that world.

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<v Speaker 11>He bought property up in Melbourne Beach at nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 11>four and it was extream, you know, make the money,

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<v Speaker 11>get out, go up to Melbourne, beef bee surfer, live

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<v Speaker 11>on REGI, you know, live my life.

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<v Speaker 4>But he would never get the chance.

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<v Speaker 3>Instead, he was killed in his home in October of

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty six. Laurie realizes now that he's pleased to

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<v Speaker 3>leave town before his death may have been more than

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<v Speaker 3>just an idle daydream.

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<v Speaker 2>Billy had left me, you know, money, He had a will,

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<v Speaker 2>and when he went to some and do the will,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like Lord by come on, we're going to bob

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<v Speaker 2>our childhood friend to drop a will. I'm like, get

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<v Speaker 2>out of here, and we're not going to get away.

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<v Speaker 11>No, I'm serious, lord, come on.

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<v Speaker 3>Was Billy's wonderlust desire to leave South Florida to another

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<v Speaker 3>paradise up the coast, or wasn't motivated by fear of

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<v Speaker 3>what could happen if he stayed.

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<v Speaker 12>Let me tell you, I remember that when I lived

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<v Speaker 12>with him, he came to the door my bedroom at

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<v Speaker 12>the front, the front door, and he opened up my door, Floria,

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<v Speaker 12>I love you.

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<v Speaker 2>If anything happened to me. She knows that I love you,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, and he caught me off gard like what

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<v Speaker 2>are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 12>And he ran off, like where are you going?

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<v Speaker 4>Looking back, Laurie now thinks he sounded like a guy

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<v Speaker 4>who was in too deep and was fearing for his life,

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<v Speaker 4>and she thinks she knows who's to blame. After Billy

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<v Speaker 4>was murdered, Laurie was shaken by a memory of walking

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<v Speaker 4>into a tense meeting at Billy's town home.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I came over one day and I walked in.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Jimmy, like, what do you what he doing here?

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<v Speaker 3>By this time, Jimmy high Note was a regular member

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<v Speaker 3>of Gil's shakedown crew. We can only speculate as to

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<v Speaker 3>why one of Billy's suspected killers was in his town

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<v Speaker 3>home just weeks before Billy was killed.

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<v Speaker 4>Was Jimmy warning him of imminent danger?

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<v Speaker 3>Or was he casing the location on orders from Gil

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<v Speaker 3>and Burt?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think with the art pretending to be into

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<v Speaker 2>the art maybe or coin collecting, but maybe that was

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<v Speaker 2>the way he got in comfortable with Billy on behalf

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<v Speaker 2>of them.

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<v Speaker 3>I think maybe, whatever the reason, after Billy was killed,

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<v Speaker 3>Laurie said she knew it was no innocent.

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<v Speaker 2>Visit, you know. Then I knew Jimmy had to be involved.

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<v Speaker 3>Which brings us back to that empty safe in Billy's

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<v Speaker 3>bedroom and the possibility that it contained not rare coins,

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<v Speaker 3>but what Dave Fersano called the best coke in town.

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<v Speaker 6>I know that some people say that Billy was ripped

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<v Speaker 6>for drugs. Some people say that he was ripped for

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<v Speaker 6>coins and art.

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<v Speaker 7>I heard that rumor a lot.

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<v Speaker 6>I did, and after a year and a half of

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<v Speaker 6>looking into it and trying to either confirm or deny

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<v Speaker 6>those rumors, I feel that the rumors were.

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<v Speaker 7>Just that.

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<v Speaker 3>No matter what evidence Danny had turned up about Billy's

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<v Speaker 3>source of income, he remains convinced Billy's.

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<v Speaker 4>Murder was no robbery, It was a hit.

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<v Speaker 6>The comment thoughts and ideas that I got from those

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<v Speaker 6>closest to Billy, Gil, Harry, Collier, Apollo, Jim was that

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<v Speaker 6>Billy was killed because he knew or overheard or was

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<v Speaker 6>told something about murders that occurred or who could have

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<v Speaker 6>been involved in those murders. And I honestly think that

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<v Speaker 6>people just were not comfortable with Billy having.

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<v Speaker 3>This information, information that threatened the illicit livelihood of Fernandez

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<v Speaker 3>and Christi, but also that of his old friend Jimmy Heinault,

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<v Speaker 3>whose betrayal may have resulted in Billy's murder.

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<v Speaker 13>The concept of clearing a case exceptionally is relatively simple,

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<v Speaker 13>and what it means is that the prosecutor, in conjunction

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<v Speaker 13>with law enforcement who investigated the matter, is convinced that

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<v Speaker 13>there is probable cause to charge someone with the crime. However,

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<v Speaker 13>for some reason, it is either an opportune or impossible

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<v Speaker 13>to charge the suspect with the offense, and the way

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<v Speaker 13>that most frequently occurs is that the suspect is dead

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<v Speaker 13>at the time probable cause is developed, as so happened

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<v Speaker 13>in this case.

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<v Speaker 3>Brian Porter is a veteran prosecutor who is not associated

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<v Speaker 3>with this case. He is a legal scholar who has

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<v Speaker 3>been part of several investigations I've reported on.

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<v Speaker 13>I've been the elected prosecutor in my jurisdiction for over

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<v Speaker 13>eleven years, and I've made exceptional case closure calls on

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<v Speaker 13>any number of occasions. And really what it boils down

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<v Speaker 13>to is it's the same exact analysis that I would

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<v Speaker 13>make if a detective came to me and asked me

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<v Speaker 13>to charge somebody with murder. It's not a lesser standard

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<v Speaker 13>in my mind, It's the same exact standard.

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<v Speaker 3>Danny had untangled as much as he could with the

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<v Speaker 3>given evidence, and he believed he had a convincing version

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<v Speaker 3>of what happened to Billy Halpern. But still he had

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<v Speaker 3>to convince Broward County's top homicide prosecutor that he was right.

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<v Speaker 6>Writing the close up memo to the State Attorney's office

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<v Speaker 6>was really an opportunity for me to take all of

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<v Speaker 6>the work that I've done and shrink it to five

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<v Speaker 6>or six seven page memo giving the bullet points as

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<v Speaker 6>to what I found, and why I believe that this

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<v Speaker 6>case should be solved.

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<v Speaker 3>The keystone in his argument was the striking similarity between

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<v Speaker 3>the Hall Drought murders and Billy Halpern's murder.

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<v Speaker 13>In this case, a great deal of the case relies

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<v Speaker 13>on what we would call common scheme or plan evidence.

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<v Speaker 13>In other words, is it very obvious that these offenses

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<v Speaker 13>had to be related, because the individual facts that each

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<v Speaker 13>murder are so similar in nature that it kind of

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<v Speaker 13>just defies logic that they weren't related.

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<v Speaker 7>Neither had fourth century.

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<v Speaker 6>The same materials were used to bind all three victims

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<v Speaker 6>in the two cases, the binding, the way that they

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<v Speaker 6>were bound was similar or even identical, and the use

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<v Speaker 6>of a sharp edged tool, which neither weapon was found,

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<v Speaker 6>so we can't verify exactly if it was the same weapon,

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<v Speaker 6>but the modus opera and I, or the way that

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<v Speaker 6>these crimes were committed were literally almost identical.

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<v Speaker 3>Danny went on to argue that because Harry Collier's fingerprint

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<v Speaker 3>was proof he killed Paul and Drought, then it stands

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<v Speaker 3>to reason that he was also the man who killed

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<v Speaker 3>Billy Halpern.

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<v Speaker 6>I was able to write it up and say that

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<v Speaker 6>if Harry Collier were alive today, then I would feel

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<v Speaker 6>comfortable taking this to grand jury, and even more comfortable

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<v Speaker 6>or confident that we would give an indictment.

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<v Speaker 3>You may be asking, as I did, wasn't this case

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<v Speaker 3>against Collier based entirely on circumstantial evidence?

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<v Speaker 4>Again, here's veteran prosecutor Brian Porter.

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<v Speaker 13>Unfortunately, in my opinion, television and the movies have led

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<v Speaker 13>way people to kind of equate the phrase circumstantial evidence

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<v Speaker 13>with weak case, and that's most definitely not the situation.

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<v Speaker 13>The only type of direct evidence that actually exists would

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<v Speaker 13>be either eyewitness testimony, a confession by the suspect, or

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<v Speaker 13>perhaps nowadays, if you had video of the actual offense

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<v Speaker 13>being committed. And to be quite honest, because most murderers

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<v Speaker 13>do not confess to their murders, and because most murderers

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<v Speaker 13>do not commit murders in front of video cameras, and

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<v Speaker 13>because murderers do their best to kill people when there

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<v Speaker 13>are no eyewitnesses, the vast majority of murder cases an

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<v Speaker 13>investigation that I've been involved in my career require us

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<v Speaker 13>to build a case from circumstantial evidence, And if I

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<v Speaker 13>were reluctant to do so, there would be a lot

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<v Speaker 13>of very angry victim families if I told them, hey,

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<v Speaker 13>I've got a pretty strong case, but it's all circumstantial

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<v Speaker 13>and therefore I can't charge the murderer.

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<v Speaker 3>After nearly two years on Billy Halpin's murder case, Danny

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<v Speaker 3>submitted his memo to the State Attorney's office.

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<v Speaker 13>In the end, the evidence in this case is very compelling,

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<v Speaker 13>and I think prosecutor would be duty bound to close

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<v Speaker 13>the case exceptionally.

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<v Speaker 4>But we would have to wait and see.

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<v Speaker 7>I submitted the memo.

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<v Speaker 6>In reality, it was probably a couple hours, but it

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<v Speaker 6>felt like four years. But I got a response from

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<v Speaker 6>the State Attorney's office and they confirmed my findings and

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<v Speaker 6>they agreed with me.

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<v Speaker 3>The state attorney agreed that there was enough evidence to

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<v Speaker 3>charge Harry Collier with Billy Helper's murder, but because Collier

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<v Speaker 3>was dead and unable to stand trial, the state attorney

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<v Speaker 3>would exceptionally clear the case. Danny was confident in his

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<v Speaker 3>conclusion that Harry Collier killed Billy halpern.

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<v Speaker 6>So obviously I was happy. I was happy for the case.

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<v Speaker 6>I was happy for Laurie. It was short lived, honestly,

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<v Speaker 6>because as happy as I was for Laurie and the

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<v Speaker 6>helping family and all their friends. Honestly, my mind immediately

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<v Speaker 6>went to Harry Collier's widow and his son.

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<v Speaker 3>Holly's wife Miami, had cooperated, her son had given DNA,

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<v Speaker 3>and they had held on to hope that Harry was

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<v Speaker 3>not the man they suspected him of being.

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<v Speaker 6>I tend to view them as victims in this case

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<v Speaker 6>also because they didn't ask for any of this, and

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<v Speaker 6>this information is going to come out and he's essentially

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<v Speaker 6>going to victimize his family again from beyond the grave.

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<v Speaker 3>But as a detective, his was still first and foremost

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<v Speaker 3>to Billy and his surviving family. And after thirty seven years,

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<v Speaker 3>it was finally time to give lour some good news.

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<v Speaker 6>May fourteenth, twenty twenty four. It is one oh one

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<v Speaker 6>in the afternoon. I'm just about to go sit down

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<v Speaker 6>with Lori Halpern and do really one of the good

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<v Speaker 6>things that we get to do as homicide detectives, which

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<v Speaker 6>is to speak with victim's family and give them a resolution,

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<v Speaker 6>give them some kind of comfort that we've identified the

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<v Speaker 6>person that's involved, for the person responsible for their loved

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<v Speaker 6>ones murder.

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<v Speaker 3>Laurie Halpurn has been intimately involved in Danny's investigation since

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning, so no news was going to come completely

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<v Speaker 3>as a shock, but it was important to Danny to

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<v Speaker 3>deliver the state attorney's decision in person.

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<v Speaker 1>What I have here is a memo that I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>to our state Attorney's office. This is what we have,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the evidence, this is what my conclusion is,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I leave it up to them.

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<v Speaker 3>Danny summarizes his case, including the disappointing reality of the

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<v Speaker 3>inability to use DNA to id Billy's killer.

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<v Speaker 6>She had no DNA for Gil in there. The DNA

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<v Speaker 6>that we had was so degraded. And to answer your question, Gil,

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<v Speaker 6>I cannot say that he was involved. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 6>he wasn't involved, but I can't prove that he had

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<v Speaker 6>any knowledge or he had any involvement of being there.

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<v Speaker 6>But I can say that Harry Collier was involved, He

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<v Speaker 6>was there, took part in it.

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<v Speaker 2>What about Jimmy hin Note.

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy h Note is the same for me as Gil.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that he probably was there, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have enough that I can definitively say that, yes, Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>was there, Gil was there, or even in Mike Carbone.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say any of them just because the science

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<v Speaker 1>isn't there.

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<v Speaker 3>But despite the degraded DNA, Danny believed his case against

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<v Speaker 3>Harry Collier was rock solid.

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<v Speaker 1>So for me as an investigator, I was able to

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<v Speaker 1>do this document, send it over to the State Attorney's

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<v Speaker 1>office and say, if Harry Callier were alive today, I

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<v Speaker 1>would be taken him to Grand Jerry and I would

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<v Speaker 1>probably be arresting him on the evidence that I have.

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<v Speaker 7>And they said, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Agree, we agree.

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<v Speaker 14>And for nothing though, I mean, if he didn't believe it,

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<v Speaker 14>truly sad you kick everything away from my fit parents

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<v Speaker 14>for devastated and for nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>How can you kill people like that and not even

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<v Speaker 2>think anything of it?

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<v Speaker 1>You're a freaking evil, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>He's pure evil.

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<v Speaker 14>How do you get involved with Jimmy?

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<v Speaker 2>I know?

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<v Speaker 1>So Collier was not from down here, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>really not many people know him.

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<v Speaker 6>He was from the northeast, Okay, and he had ties to.

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<v Speaker 1>Burt Christie. But it looks like he was the guy

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<v Speaker 1>that they called and they said we need something done.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the hit man.

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<v Speaker 1>Was he was a hit man? Yeah, he was a violent,

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<v Speaker 1>violent man.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing about solving a murder case. It can

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<v Speaker 3>answer long unanswered questions. It can unburden survivors of uncertainty

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<v Speaker 3>surrounding a loved one's death, maybe even deliver a sense

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<v Speaker 3>of justice, but it can't bring a victim back, and

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<v Speaker 3>the end is always bittersweet.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe we've proven that Harry Collier was a principal

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<v Speaker 1>and was involved in Billy's murder. He's dead and there's

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<v Speaker 1>really not a whole lot that can be done. But

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<v Speaker 1>at the very least it'll give you a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of something.

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<v Speaker 14>I hope no my parents be happy to know that

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<v Speaker 14>you cared enough to do this.

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<v Speaker 7>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be honest, I'm a little disappointed that I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get a live person to charge now. I really wanted to, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It wouldn't matter even if Gil didn't. You had proof

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<v Speaker 2>that Gil did it. I mean, he's Gurdi in jail

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<v Speaker 2>for life. What's going to happen Nothing, I have.

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<v Speaker 3>To admit I shared some of Laurie's frustrations about why

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<v Speaker 3>it took nearly forty years to get real answers, but

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<v Speaker 3>it is a credit to Danny that he remained steadfast

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<v Speaker 3>in his commitment to what he could prove, not what

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<v Speaker 3>he may have believed to be true.

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<v Speaker 1>But here again, I felt it was important to put

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<v Speaker 1>this officially.

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<v Speaker 7>I say it is.

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<v Speaker 1>My opinion that Billy heard mention of the triple murder

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty three that was committed by Gil Fernandez.

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned that I agree with the previous investigators that

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<v Speaker 1>Fernandez orchestrated and potentially participated in the murders of not

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<v Speaker 1>only Billy, but Mitch Sharonda, Jimmy Heina, and Harry Pollier.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have jurisdiction on those cases, so I can't

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<v Speaker 1>pursue them, but I am working with other detectives that

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<v Speaker 1>have now reopened those cases.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, the fact was that Billy's case may have been cleared,

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<v Speaker 3>but that does not mean it has been closed. The

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<v Speaker 3>DNA sample retrieved from the help and crime scene may

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<v Speaker 3>have been inadequate to ideas suspect, but there was no

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<v Speaker 3>telling where the science would be in a few years

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<v Speaker 3>and what it may reveal about who else was in

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<v Speaker 3>the room when Collier killed Billy.

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<v Speaker 2>You got my carbone DNA?

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<v Speaker 9>You do?

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<v Speaker 11>I do?

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<v Speaker 1>And that was a big one. That was a big

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<v Speaker 1>one because if I couldn't get him on this, at

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<v Speaker 1>the very least, maybe I can help another agency or another.

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<v Speaker 2>Ida great if he has something to do with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So indirectly Billy's investigations, he could.

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<v Speaker 2>Help open the other rights are yeah, that would be great.

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<v Speaker 3>After Danny's visit with Laurie, we discussed whether after nearly

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<v Speaker 3>two years of an investigation and successfully clearing the Helper

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<v Speaker 3>and cold case, he still had any lingering, doubts or

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<v Speaker 3>uncertainty about his conclusions.

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<v Speaker 6>I was happy that I was able to ensure that Laurie,

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<v Speaker 6>after this is all said, Laura helped and has more

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<v Speaker 6>answers than she has questions. After all these years, I

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<v Speaker 6>know there's more to the story, and there are certain

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<v Speaker 6>things that I just simply was unable to get an

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<v Speaker 6>answer to. I gave everything that I had, but I

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<v Speaker 6>still feel that it's slightly incomplete because there's just answers

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<v Speaker 6>that I don't have.

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<v Speaker 3>Many of those questions revolve around the role of Gil

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<v Speaker 3>Fernandez or Christi, and even the unseen forces that may

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<v Speaker 3>have been behind the order to kill Billy.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have loved to prove that additional people were involved,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do feel very confident.

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<v Speaker 7>That there were other people involved.

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<v Speaker 6>But at this stage in the investigation, I can only

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<v Speaker 6>go as far as the evidence will take me, and

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<v Speaker 6>in this case, the evidence took me to an ending.

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<v Speaker 6>I just I don't think it's the ending. I think

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<v Speaker 6>it's an ending, but not the ending.

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<v Speaker 3>This was also the story of DNA, its promise and

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<v Speaker 3>its limitations.

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<v Speaker 6>And at the very beginning, every single piece of evidence

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<v Speaker 6>that I asked to be tested, I was, in my

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<v Speaker 6>mind positive we were going to come back with a

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<v Speaker 6>hit and a match.

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<v Speaker 3>The discovery of untested DNA at Billy's crime scene felt

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<v Speaker 3>destined for an instant match and swift resolution to the investigation.

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<v Speaker 4>But of course that proved not to be the case.

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<v Speaker 6>And unfortunately it was a It was a punch in

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<v Speaker 6>the gut every time I got those results.

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<v Speaker 3>But those disappointing results had a positive effect too, in

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<v Speaker 3>that it forced Danny to lean on what he did best,

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<v Speaker 3>the research, the interviews, and the old school gumshoe detective

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<v Speaker 3>work that helped piece together the narrative of the crime.

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<v Speaker 3>And while the DNA results did not prove who was

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<v Speaker 3>present at Billy's murder, it did not disprove any theories either.

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<v Speaker 6>Just because someone's DNA is not on a piece of

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<v Speaker 6>evidence does not mean that they were not involved. I

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<v Speaker 6>think a lot of people will hear that, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 6>Gill's DNA was not located on the binding, so that

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<v Speaker 6>means he wasn't involved, And no, that's not the case.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not saying that he was or wasn't because I

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<v Speaker 6>can't prove it, but I can say that it's possible

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<v Speaker 6>that anyone is involved even if their DNA was found

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<v Speaker 6>on the evidence.

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<v Speaker 3>Harry Collier was a hulking hit man, hired for his

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<v Speaker 3>muscle and his ruthless skills with a knife, and ultimately

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<v Speaker 3>he bears responsibility.

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<v Speaker 4>For the murder of Billy Halpern.

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<v Speaker 3>But Danny and I still can't shake the one thing

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<v Speaker 3>that everyone we talked to agreed on, and the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that the evidence supported Billy's killer did not work alone.

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<v Speaker 3>And while most of the suspects in our investigation were

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<v Speaker 3>long dead, there was still one man who Danny thought

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<v Speaker 3>might be interested in hearing the results of the investigation,

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<v Speaker 3>the man once known as the meanest cop in Miami

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<v Speaker 3>and the last remaining suspect in Billy's murder, Bill Fernandez.

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<v Speaker 4>Cold Blooded.

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<v Speaker 3>The Apollo Jim Murders is a production of iHeart Podcasts

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<v Speaker 3>Miramar Police Department, Chief del Rich Moss, p Io Tanya Ardaz,

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<v Speaker 3>and Detective Susie Smith