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Speaker 1: Welcome to two percent. I'm your host, Mike Lester. This weekend,

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Speaker 1: UFC Freedom two fifty is happening. It is the biggest

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Speaker 1: fight in UFC history. It is happening on the White

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Speaker 1: House Lawn. I live in Las Vegas. This is a

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Speaker 1: fight town. We are filled with UFC fighters. It is

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Speaker 1: our number one sport and UFC has absolutely exploded over

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Speaker 1: the last ten years. It's one of the most relevant

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Speaker 1: sports happening now. Turns out you can learn a lot

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Speaker 1: from fighters psychology behind fighting, about how they approach nutrition,

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Speaker 1: their training. And on Tuesday, we had Misha Tate in

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Speaker 1: the studio. She told us about her ascension to a

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Speaker 1: UFC champion, what she learned about fighting, and she also

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Speaker 1: had this really interesting nugget. As we were talking, she

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Speaker 1: said that one of the hardest parts about fighting is

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Speaker 1: the weight cuts she had to do before she would

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Speaker 1: step into the octagon. So, for context, UFC fighters will

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Speaker 1: lose ten to twenty pounds during this seventy two hours

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Speaker 1: back twenty four hours before they have to step on

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Speaker 1: into the ring. That is an insane process and I

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Speaker 1: wanted to learn more about that. So I tracked down

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Speaker 1: Tyler Minton. Tyler Minton is the guy for all things

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Speaker 1: UFC nutrition, all things weightcutting, and he learned it the

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Speaker 1: hard way. So he started in the UFC many years ago.

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Speaker 1: He had a really bad weightcut to put him in

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Speaker 1: the hospital. Everyone in the game was doing weightcuts the

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Speaker 1: and he has really figured out the science behind weightcutting.

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Speaker 1: And it turns out that the information you can get

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Speaker 1: from weightcuts is actually really useful for an everyday diet.

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Speaker 1: So Tyler's going to tell us the insanity of how

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Speaker 1: all within twenty four hours. And he's also going to

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Speaker 1: give us some really interesting information that can help us

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Speaker 1: eat better day to day, everything from how to approach

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Speaker 1: the meals you eat, the timing of your meals, what

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Speaker 1: Oh and just a quick note before we bring on Tyler.

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Speaker 1: Tyler still works with UFC fighters, but he also works

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Speaker 1: with Navy seals. He lives on a base in Virginia,

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Speaker 1: and there was a lot of flyovers Fateen flyovers happening.

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Speaker 1: As Tyler put it, that does the sound of freedom.

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Speaker 1: But if you hear some crazy rumblings in the background,

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Speaker 1: don't worry. We're not being invaded. It's just F eighteen's

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Speaker 1: doing some flyovers. Tyler Minton, thanks for coming on the

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Speaker 1: show man. Yeah, brother, all right, So you and I

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Speaker 1: had an awesome conversation years ago for a substack piece

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Speaker 1: I did on all the work that you do with

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Speaker 1: fighters and nutrition. We of course couldn't get into everything, though,

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Speaker 1: I have to edit those things, so I figured now's

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Speaker 1: a good time to just let it rip. Before you

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Speaker 1: How'd you get into that? What'd you learn from it?

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Speaker 2: I got into fighting out of alvid trauma.

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Speaker 3: Like most people get into fighting.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, good, honestly, that was it was. I wrestled,

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Speaker 2: so I started wrestling later in school. I was your

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Speaker 2: typical fighter story. I was bullied a lot growing up

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Speaker 3: Maybe I would get along really well with these guys.

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Speaker 4: They got that don't give a shit energy. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I started wrestling and really loved it. Wasn't great

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Speaker 2: then after school I started fighting. Was it was just

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Speaker 1: And so one of the things that came out of

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Speaker 2: Yes, I nearly died, And that that's exactly how this

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Speaker 2: and you know, people didn't really know what to do,

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Speaker 2: we were awful, just like everyone's were. Who's really big

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Speaker 2: a lot of that was what inspired me to start

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Speaker 2: really figuring out, you know, how to improve weight cutting

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and there were some guys.

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Speaker 2: There were guys in the space for sure already, but

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Speaker 4: You know, totally.

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Speaker 1: So you, before we get into how you started to

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Speaker 3: Eat less, run more? And that was really it.

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Speaker 2: It was starvation because it only makes sense that you know,

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Speaker 2: stories you will hear of guys who are like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: It was just unimaginably awful.

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Speaker 2: Like the old weight cut stories you hear are in

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Speaker 2: Like even the base level information out there is still

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to imagine in the past too, even

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Speaker 2: I remember my first five my first amateur fight. I

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Speaker 2: but that's like that that's not unique. Those are everyone

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was just the normal, the normal thing.

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Speaker 2: It's absurd and there's I'm just I'm grateful that it's

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Speaker 3: And you know now with the UFC.

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Speaker 2: With it, with the UFC Performance Institute, you have Charles Stole,

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Speaker 2: the one of my best buddies and the director of

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Speaker 2: Performance Nutrition there. It's like, if you're in the UFC,

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Speaker 3: You literally just go listen to what everything Charles says

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So regarding figuring it out, you have this hospitalization,

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Speaker 3: So I think I think.

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Speaker 2: It really started with just health in general. So are

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Speaker 2: you familiar with Rob Wolf?

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Speaker 1: Yes, So for those listening who don't know him, he's

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Speaker 1: a nutritionist kind of I would say, popularized Paleo diet

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Speaker 3: So Rob is by Tray was a nutrition researcher, so

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Speaker 3: that that was his thing.

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Speaker 2: He wrote the Paleo Solution, and I met him at

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Speaker 2: And Rob was actually my first mentor. The whole reason

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Speaker 2: so Rob was my mentor, helped me out and we

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Speaker 2: really started discussing things like sleep, you know, hormones, cortisol,

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Speaker 2: anti diretic hormones. So we started talking about all these

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Speaker 2: other things that weren't really nutrition, but it played a

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Speaker 2: health in general and recovery. And once I started improving

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Speaker 2: my recovery, then I just noticed my walking weight was

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Speaker 3: Then I spent some time just fighting. Those were like

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Speaker 3: my first fights.

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Speaker 2: Then I went to just fighting eighty five for a

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Speaker 2: long time, so I didn't have to have these huge cuts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. So for more context for people, tell

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Speaker 1: us how much weight fighters tend to lose before weigh

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Speaker 1: what do the numbers actually look like?

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Speaker 2: We are happy as practitioners if a fighter is ten

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Speaker 2: percent over their weight class. Okay, so if you show

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Speaker 3: You know, they can't work miracles.

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Speaker 3: So it's this constant argument.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if they don't have to lose weight, you can

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Speaker 2: Yes, and you're starting to see more fighters make a

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Speaker 1: That's interesting, all right, So let's walk us through. So

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so actually we'll start the weekend before, so the

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Speaker 3: The body keeps the score, you know, the saying there.

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Speaker 2: and wonder, because there's there's always a big saying with

441
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Speaker 2: fighters it so I didn't miss wait, I just ran

442
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Speaker 2: out of time.

443
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 3: It's a it's a real thing.

444
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 2: But we're able to know exactly how much time it's

445
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: going to take because we have the data.

446
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 3: All these data points of well, we know if we put.

447
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 2: Michael at one hundred and four degree bath temperature for

448
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 2: a twenty minute session, get him out, put him back

449
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: in for twenty minutes, he loses this much water.

450
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 3: So then you can start creating the schedule based off that.

451
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: How much weight are people when you start getting people

452
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Speaker 1: in the heat, whether it's a sauna or the hot tub,

453
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: how much weight are they losing from that as a percentage.

454
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 3: It really depends.

455
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 2: We'll talk about in pounds, just because that's where most

456
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 2: people are going to understand.

457
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 3: I mean, it's very common for.

458
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 2: Especially bigger guys with more muscle mass, to like one

459
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,959
Speaker 2: sauna session, let or one hot tub session. Let's say

460
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 2: they get in, they break a sweat, and we hold

461
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: them in there for twenty to thirty minutes. And when

462
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 2: I say hold them in, like, we're not physically holding

463
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: them down there. Usually they're like watching a movie. We'll

464
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: set up an iPad. They're watching a movie, listen to music.

465
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 2: It's actually a pretty chill, you know, top top, low

466
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 2: stress situation, but you'll see anywhere from.

467
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 3: Well, then we get out and then we cover up.

468
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: So at that point, we pulled him out of the

469
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: hot tub, and then we'll put those like metal hypothermia

470
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 2: blankets just on top, just so you can keep the

471
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: sweat going, and we'll just continue watching a movie maybe

472
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 2: for thirty minutes to an hour, and that session alone,

473
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: depending on the size, could be anywhere from three pounds

474
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Speaker 2: to I've seen ten pounds.

475
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 4: Oh wow, that's wild.

476
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: It's insane the amount that you can see James Vick wants.

477
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: I want to say it was like thirteen pounds he

478
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: lost in one session.

479
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 3: Oh crap, one time. It was insane.

480
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: So it's leading in the week's leading up. It's like

481
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: you start to clean up the diet. Tuesday, we're switching

482
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 1: out carbs and we're putting in fat instead, so that's

483
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 1: going to start to shuttle water out. Then Thursday we're

484
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: getting the person in the heat to sweat everything out,

485
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: and then Friday morning is the way.

486
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 2: In Friday morning is weigh in. You have two dif

487
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 2: kind of fighters, some that want to wake up on

488
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: weight and some that would rather sleep a little bit better,

489
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 2: because usually when you get to that point you're on weight,

490
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: you're pretty you're you're dehydrated. When you're dehydrated, you don't

491
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: sleep good. So some fighters would rather do a smaller

492
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 2: cut Thursday night, get to sleep, wake up early, and

493
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 2: finish it all Friday morning. And then other fighters would

494
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 2: rather do most of it Thursday night and hope that

495
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: they float a little bit and just wake up like

496
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: half a pound to a pound blidder and then and

497
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: then worst case, do a very small one Friday. The

498
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: best practitioners they work with what the fighter is most

499
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: comfortable with that we know can work. I always always

500
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: think it's it's wise for a practitioner to to speak

501
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: and meet with a fighter, especially the first time, and

502
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 2: say what do you like, what do you not like?

503
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 3: What stresses you?

504
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: Because you'll have fighters that Let's say a guy almost

505
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 2: died in a bathtub once because he was working. Someone

506
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: are doing it himself and just doing it wrong. You're

507
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: going to get a stress response the second he hears

508
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 2: that bathwater. Yeah, so I won't even push it. I

509
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: prefer the bath but I'm not going to push that

510
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: on someone who gets a high stress response from him.

511
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: Like Okay, well let's let's let's do a son a routine.

512
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: So alt of it's fighting, finding where the fighter fills

513
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: the best, and just optimizing it.

514
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

515
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: So we talked to Misha Tait. How does this equation

516
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: change for women?

517
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,239
Speaker 2: So I tell big I like Misha a lot. By

518
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 2: the way, so I like any she she's got. I

519
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: like that she's having these conversations that people need to hear.

520
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 2: I think I think Misha does a lot of really

521
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 2: good stuff for women's MMA. But I tell every female

522
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 2: fighter to assume you are going to get your menstrual

523
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 2: cycle during the wake cup. Just just assume it's going

524
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: to happen, because chances are it is.

525
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: More often than not. It is.

526
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: When a woman has her period, her body temperature increases,

527
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: which means, now if we're used to exposing her to

528
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: one hundred and four degree bath temperature at a normal

529
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: body temperature, but now her body temperatures increase slightly, that

530
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: one hundred and four is going to be a lot.

531
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,959
Speaker 3: More stressful on her body.

532
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: So the amount of stress you can put on a

533
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: female athlete during her soacle decreases. Problem is the amount

534
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: of water she's holding is going to increase. So the

535
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 2: balance act there is we need to increase the stress

536
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: to pull this extra water out that the body's holding.

537
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: So a lot of times what we'll do if either

538
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: either we're expecting the socle. Based off of every one

539
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: of my female fighters, I literally have a calendar of

540
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: their sockle. It's it's kind of that's kind of weird,

541
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 2: I guess, but it helps you already prepare that.

542
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

543
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: But so we have this this calendar and we know

544
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 2: where that's at and if they're showing signs or we

545
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: just expecting him, We'll actually start dialing the water back

546
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: on Wednesday instead of Thursday, because if we know that

547
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: they're more likely to hold water, will actually introduce a

548
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: little less water. We may also, instead of doing that

549
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: large Thursday night.

550
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: Weight cut, we might do two.

551
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: Like we might do a Thursday morning moderate small to

552
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: moderate weight cut and then do a Thursday night small

553
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: to moderate at weight cut, and we break those up

554
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: so it's just not all thrown in at once.

555
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got to be careful.

556
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 3: Okay, So those are the biggest things.

557
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: But the biggest thing is girls just need to know

558
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: that and walk llider that ten percent is for guys women.

559
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: I would much prefer like female fighters be six to

560
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: seven percent over their weight class.

561
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 4: Right around there, that makes sense. We're going to take

562
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 4: a quick break.

563
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: Then we'll hear how Tyler has those fighters who have

564
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: won up to twenty pounds getting it all back in

565
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: less than thirty six hours. So wag in happens If

566
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: everything went well, they make weight. Now we've got to

567
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: get it all back for Saturday night. What do you

568
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: do to get it all back?

569
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: Uh? The first thing is we address the dehydration. Everybody.

570
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: The first thing they want to address is I've not

571
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: had the food that I've wanted in weeks, and I've

572
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: not had carbs in days. So that's the first thing

573
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: people want to address. I won't even hand them their

574
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: food yet because I don't want to put I don't

575
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: want them to worry about that.

576
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 3: The first thing we.

577
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: Need to address is hydration immediately, so it's electrolytes with water.

578
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: It's the first thing we're going to start drinking, and

579
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: we're going to time this. We don't just hand it

580
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: to someone and start, you know, pounding the water down.

581
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: I'll actually to digress a little bit and talk about

582
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: one of the things we do and I've done for

583
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: years now, and it's really cool to see a lot

584
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: of people doing it.

585
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: They're doing it at the PI.

586
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: I know Jeordie Sullivan with the fat Dietitian in Australia,

587
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: he does this. After that Thursday night weightcut, we'll actually

588
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: introduce some carbohydrates. So after it's really nice, we'll do

589
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: like frozen pineapple, frozen watermelon, or if someone's gut can

590
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: hand it, will do ice cream sorbet we'll do a slushy.

591
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: Will literally do this Thursday night after that big weight

592
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: cut and the thought process there is, well, I know

593
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: I just told you that, like well, most people will

594
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: know carbohydrates hold water. But at that point I told you,

595
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: we've stopped drinking water. So it's essentially like eating a

596
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: dry sponge. That sponge only expands if you start adding

597
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: water to it. Again, we're not adding water anymore. So

598
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: now we're going to give you carbohydrates and give you

599
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: sugar to hopefully help you sleep better and help you

600
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: feel better.

601
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 3: And do that.

602
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: So I'll start with there, so they'll have a little

603
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: bit of carbohydrates on their stomach already.

604
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: And that's probably a psychological boost too. I've been going

605
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: through hell. This ice cream is the greatest ice cream

606
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: I've ever eaten.

607
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have seen grown man look like little kids

608
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: when you give them, uh, when you give them that ice.

609
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: Cream, grown men that could murder you with their well,

610
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: let's put let's highlight that point of it too.

611
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: They just covet it like they just hold it, hold

612
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: it close. So they already got a little bit of

613
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: carbohydrates in them. But so first thing, that first shake,

614
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: we're by the time, Matt, so we don't just chug it.

615
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: If you chug this this really cold drink.

616
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: After your your stomach is truly empty, you're going to

617
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: start your stomach starts spasm, and you'll you'll see guys

618
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 2: projectile vomit like the Extorcist girl. So we had to

619
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: normally put a timer on this ten to fifteen minutes

620
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: to sip this first drink of electrolytes. Then, depend on

621
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: how much weight they cut will depend on how much

622
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: fluids we're trying to put back in, because essentially we're

623
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: trying to put back in the fluids that they lost

624
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: right right, and so we'll divide that up based off

625
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: of that, and then as we get towards the later drinks,

626
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: we'll start throwing in dextro smout of extra in I

627
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: like using votago. At this point, we'll start throwing votargo in.

628
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: So they shouldn't that fast. Yes, they're getting that fast

629
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: digesting carbohydrates all in the liquid form. And then by

630
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: the time they finish those shapes, which could be thirty

631
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: minutes to an hour, now we'll start introducing food, and

632
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: we want this to be very fast digesting food as well.

633
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: It could honestly be gummy bears, it could be.

634
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it could be it could be like a bagel,

635
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: like a white bagel with jam or honey. Like, we're

636
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: just trying to put in carbohydrates and sugar as much

637
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: as we can at this point. Then about an hour later,

638
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: which could be about two hours from the moment they

639
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: step on the scale, we'll start moving more towards actual

640
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: mills and even like we'll start by keeping them white.

641
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: You know, it could it could be an.

642
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: Overnight oats, which is you know, kind of feels good

643
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: on the stomach. Yeah, the PI does a lot of

644
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: the Performancesitute does. He's like ross pudding, which is really good.

645
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: They'll do some things like that are very easy on

646
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: the stomach, but hot carbohydrate, and then we'll just start

647
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: moving towards eating as normal. Ideally, they'll just still eat

648
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: the same kind of things they did during camp, though

649
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: they're still not going for the pizza or the burgers.

650
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: And I tell these guys, listen, you're twenty four hours

651
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: away from having anything you want. I can't stop you

652
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: from getting whatever you want after the fight, So I

653
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: just need to hold on a little bit longer, and

654
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: let's you know, still keep it dialed in a little bit.

655
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: Do people have specific with the fighters you've worked with.

656
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: Do different fighters have like very specific pre fight meals.

657
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: It depends it does It depends on the fighter. You'll

658
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: have some that they know it always works. Like I

659
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: always feel good with sushi. I'm going to have sushi here,

660
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: I'll always feel good with with ata. I'm always going

661
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: to do Italian. So as long as it fits in

662
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: the parameters of what we need. I like to again

663
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 2: have that psychological advantage of what makes you feel good

664
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: at that point, you know you're wanting to have this

665
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: meal with your team too.

666
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: There's that sociological component.

667
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: We're have creatures, and for a while now, these people

668
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: have been eating by themselves off in a corner while

669
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: their friends are eating whatever. The fighters over here like

670
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 2: eating out of their meal prep container totally this little mill.

671
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: So like now I like them to be able to

672
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: eat with their friends and family as much as they

673
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 2: can and start feeling like a normal human again.

674
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to get them in the right headspace.

675
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: All right, Let's like take this down to the average listener.

676
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: Most people are not going to be doing a weight

677
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: cut and stepping into an octagon. But I do feel

678
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: like a lot of us has lessons for us. One

679
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: thing we talked about when we did that substack post

680
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: together is this highlights good information about crash diets and

681
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: kind of what makes them work and why they often

682
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: don't work in the long run. What can I tell us.

683
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: If you hear the language I'm using. The ideal fighter

684
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 2: is putting themselves in a position where they're not crash

685
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: dieting still, but most fighters are a lot of fighters.

686
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 2: Like I said, it's gotten a lot better, they're still

687
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: putting them cells in a position where they have to

688
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 2: crash diet to get to that point. And I'm sitting

689
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: here describing all these health issues that come with that.

690
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: I also know that the fighter who's had to crash diet,

691
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: when that crash diet is over, and it will be

692
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: over the second day weigh in, just like the average person,

693
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 2: that crash diet is going to be over the second

694
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: they give up or they go on the cruise whatever

695
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: it was they were they were crash dyeing for, you know,

696
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 2: the event or I can't take this anymore. What happens

697
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: is that fighter or that general population person.

698
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: They balloon up in wait.

699
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 2: Because there's again when we talk about energy balance, our

700
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: body will actually are tabolism drops as we lose weight. Right,

701
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: so we have our basil metabolic rate, which is in

702
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 2: charge of keeping us alive. And let's say it's here.

703
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: Let's say the calories that I eat are here, eat

704
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: less and less calories, I drop weight. Well, my basil

705
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: metabolic rate decreases as well, because there's less of me

706
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 2: to keep alive. You know, if there's two hundred pounds

707
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: of you to keep alive, it requires more energy. If

708
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: there's one hundred and seventy pounds of you to keep alive,

709
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: that requires less energy than two hundred. So my metabolism drops.

710
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 2: And let's say the more I lose, the faster I

711
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: lose weight. This is happening at a very rapid pace.

712
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 4: Right.

713
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 3: Well, now I quit, Well what happens.

714
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: My calorie intake goes way up, but my basil metabolic rate,

715
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 2: my metabolism is still way down here.

716
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: So I started dieting at.

717
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: A metabolic rate of this, and now I'm finishing my

718
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: diet with an equal greater intake than what I started.

719
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: But my basil metabolic rate's way down here. And so

720
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: that's why people they start gaining more weight than they

721
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: did to begin with.

722
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, because metabolism does not adjust up as quickly as

723
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: it will adjust down. And that's a survival mechanism from again,

724
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands two years ago.

725
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: If if our bodies listen to us, we would have

726
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: never never made it like our body survives in spite

727
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 2: of us.

728
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: Really again, it's it's the I think human.

729
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: Body is the most fascinating, most fascinating thing on earth.

730
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: It's just it's unreal.

731
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: People geek out about like archaeology and this, and I

732
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: love that. I'm a big history guy, but like the

733
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: human body, you don't even know. But anyway, so again

734
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: that that's where you see that that that weight increase happen,

735
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: and you're seeing it now more than ever, I would

736
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: say because of GLP ones and threes.

737
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: And I'm not against them.

738
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: I think if us correctly, I think they can be

739
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: the greatest thing someone uses in their their fight to

740
00:37:59,280 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: lose weight.

741
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 3: I do.

742
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: I think there it's an amazing, amazing thing. It's just

743
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: a lot of people aren't using them correctly. And if

744
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: I can rant about that a second, So the average

745
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: person who becomes overweight becomes overweight because of lifestyle habits, right,

746
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say, the average person, it's it's like everyone.

747
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: So it's because of lifestyle habits. And part of this

748
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: is they eat emotionally. They eat because they're hungry. Maybe

749
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: it's not even physical hungry, but they choose their food

750
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: based off of what they want, and they don't work out,

751
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: you know, they're sedentary. Well, the average person is eating

752
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 2: a we'll say.

753
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: An energy rich, nutrient poor diet.

754
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: Energy rich as far as high calorie nutrient poor, like

755
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: poor nutrition poor nutrient value. But now they do a GLP,

756
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 2: which essentially makes you not it takes away the food noise,

757
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: it takes away the emotional eating component. So now we

758
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 2: have this person that was on an energy rich, nutrient

759
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: poor diet that was only eating based off of like

760
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: the filling of wanting food. Now they don't have that filling,

761
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: but they're probably not going to change the food that

762
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: they were eating. So now they're on an energy poor,

763
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: nutrient poorer diet. Because even though they were eating, you know,

764
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: they were eating a lot of really you know, unhealthy food,

765
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: there were still some nutrients involved with that.

766
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 3: You know, there's still some nutrients.

767
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: Now they're just seeing a lot less of that same

768
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 2: poor quality food, meaning now they're getting even less nutrients.

769
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 2: The average person is consuming way too little protein now

770
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: they do a GLP one. Protein is the most satiating

771
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: of all macro nutrients. Guess the one thing they're most

772
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: likely to eat even less of proteine. So that's where

773
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: you're seeing this rebound weight gain from people with the

774
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: GLP ones is from that. Now, if they do it

775
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: correctly and they can sult a dietician. It's very important

776
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: that people understand the person that can prescribe you GLP

777
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: ones almost definitely did not study nutrition in school, and well,

778
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: actually they didn't. They absolutely didn't. A doctor does not

779
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: study nutrition. They might take some courses on nutrition. You know,

780
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: I took American history, but I'm not a historian, right,

781
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: so they'll take some nutrition courses, but that's not their practice.

782
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: A dietitian only studies nutrition. We can't prescribe golps though,

783
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: you know. So that's where it needs to be a

784
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: team effort. Speak, get it prescribed by the prescriber, and

785
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: then speak with a dietitian on how you should.

786
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: Manage your diet. If you're doing it correct.

787
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: So you're taking a GLP, you are resistance training to

788
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: preserve this hard earned lean body mass. It's the fountain

789
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 2: of youth, Like, preserve it at all costs. We don't

790
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 2: want to lose that. And you're eating a high protein

791
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: diet and you're also eating enough calories. Like I've had

792
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: clients on GLP ones that are like, hey, you know,

793
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm not hungry, you know by this, by this second snack,

794
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm sorry, Like you got.

795
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: To do it.

796
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: You're still you're still going to be in a deficit,

797
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: but I don't need you.

798
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't need you in a huge deficit.

799
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 2: But again, so again that's a bit of a ramp,

800
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: but I think they can be a very useful tool.

801
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: But right now, it's kind of where you're seeing all

802
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: this this weight gain rebound is purely from people doing

803
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: it incorrectly.

804
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: Interesting, So you had a role that I really love.

805
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 1: It's calories determine your weight, macros determine how you look,

806
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: micro's determine how you feel.

807
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 4: Walk me through that.

808
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to talk to a good trademark lawyer

809
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: because that got stolen. So the amount of people I

810
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: saw using that after I first said it, Unfortunately, Jordan's

811
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: say it always like corrects and says, no, that was

812
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: that was Tyler Menton, was Tyler Minton.

813
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 3: But it's so.

814
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: Simple, and I've even had people like that, that's stupid,

815
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: that's simple, Like, no, exactly that that's the point of

816
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: that's the point of it. But if you can understand that,

817
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: you under every you understand everything there is to know

818
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: about nutrition. The science of nutrition is incredibly simple. The

819
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: psychology of nutrition is incredibly complex. Right, Calories determine what

820
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: you weigh. If you eat less calories than you burn,

821
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:17,959
Speaker 2: you lose weight.

822
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 3: Period.

823
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 2: Anytime someone tries to argue that, like you're literally arguing

824
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: the law of energy that makes light bulbs work, I

825
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 2: feel like it's a very simple, Like it's a complex,

826
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: but it's a very basic law of energy exchange here.

827
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: So if you eat less calories than you burn, you

828
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 2: are going to lose weight. So calories determine what you weigh.

829
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 2: Macros determine how you look, So what you weigh doesn't

830
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 2: determine how you look, right, and calories by themselves don't

831
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: do that. I've never met anyone when they say they

832
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 2: want to lose weight that what they don't actually mean is, well,

833
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: I want to lose fat wants to just lose weight.

834
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: We want to lose fat and we want to look good.

835
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: No one wants to lose a bunch of weight and

836
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: then look skinny fat. You know, to use the term

837
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 2: people are familiar with. We don't want to lose you know,

838
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: muscle is metabolically expensive. We have to work really hard

839
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 2: for even the smallest amount of muscle.

840
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 3: We don't want to lose this.

841
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: Right, you could go on an all Twinkie diet, an

842
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: all Oreo diet, an all big mac diet. These are

843
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: these three have actually happened and lose weight if you're

844
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: in a calorie deficit. But if you're not getting adequate protein,

845
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 2: you are not going to maintain your lean body mass.

846
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: You're not going to look physically good. If you're not

847
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 2: getting enough protein, you're not going to look good in

848
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: the field of competition, if you're not getting enough carbohydrates. Right,

849
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 2: So there still has to be this balance of macronutrients

850
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: to determine how we look within those calorie restraints.

851
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 3: But even those we.

852
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: Can lose weight and we can look good, and our

853
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 2: blood labs can look horrible if our quality is poor.

854
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 2: So calories determine what you way We've addressed that macros

855
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: determined how you look, we've addressed that, But quality determines

856
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 2: how you how you feel like that that's going to

857
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: determine your health.

858
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 4: Right, the micro nutrients in the field, exactly.

859
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: The micronutrients are what's going to matter here, because, as

860
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: you've seen from the if it fits your macro's style

861
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: of dotting, which which can work and can improve people's

862
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: health drastically, even a small five percent decrease in body

863
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: weight makes drastic changes in your health. But that's not

864
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 2: necessarily the long term implications. A sweet potato and a

865
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: pop tart are like shot for shot the same when

866
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 2: it comes to calories and macros.

867
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 3: This was an argument made years ago.

868
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: I want to I don't know if alan doctor Allen

869
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: Argon was the first to make the argument or just

870
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: one of the first really good arguers of the of

871
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 2: the claim, because it's very accurate. They're they're pretty much

872
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: shot for shot the same, and they'll help you lose

873
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: weight the same. They'll they'll give you the same macronutrients.

874
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: There's obviously some quality differences here though, Right the sweet

875
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: potato is going to provide fiber, it's going to provide

876
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 2: more micronutrients. It's going to Yes, it's going to digest

877
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: slower to give us more sustained energy. The quality is

878
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 2: ultimately what's going to determine the full picture of our

879
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: health care. Right, So, you can you can lose weight

880
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: eating any food imaginable. You can match your macros. Now

881
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: it's a little bit hard, but you can. You can

882
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: match your macros eating really poor quality food. But if

883
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: you want to greatly improve your health, your cholesterol, your

884
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: blood sugar, you're going to have to address quality. And

885
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: when you address all three of these things, you have

886
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: the perfect diet. And I tell anyone when you're going

887
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 2: into the conversation of will this diet work for me?

888
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: Is this a good diet?

889
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: Put it through that filtration system of does it address calori?

890
00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 3: Does it address those three things? Calories, quality, and macronutrients.

891
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: We're going to take a break and then Tyler is

892
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: going to tell us what he eats every day. Okay,

893
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: So given all that, how do you eat yourself?

894
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 2: So I have to constantly balance the three things. So

895
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: I have this whole principle. I spoke about it as

896
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: so next summer, Strong and which I know you you

897
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: were a guest. Yeah, yeah, Summer Summer Strongs is the

898
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: most fun event. And this is what I spoke on

899
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: last week is you have this this this is my

900
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: logo for my company Ethos, But this is I call

901
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 2: this the the goal triangle.

902
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 4: Right.

903
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: We have aesthetics, we have performance, we have health. The

904
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: more aggressively you go towards one point, you have to

905
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 2: get away from the other points a little bit.

906
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 3: You can have them all. You just can't have them

907
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 3: all at once optimized.

908
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: You can't optimize your performance while also optimizing your health

909
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: and aesthetics. Yeah, you can't optimize your ath will also

910
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: be you know, that's a we'll get into that.

911
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 3: We can get into that another another.

912
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a good example I think for people

913
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: to understand this is if we think about who are

914
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: the strongest people, it's going to be powerlifters.

915
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 4: Powerlifters are these doe big guys.

916
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: But who looks the best as bodybuilders, But they may

917
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: not necessarily be the stronger because bodybuilders are pushing the aesthetics.

918
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: Powerlifters are one hundred percent performance.

919
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: Yes, And who are the people who often live the

920
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: longest and have the high pisse life expectancy. They don't

921
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 2: have a whole lot of they don't have a whole

922
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: lot of muscle mass, they definitely don't have much body fat.

923
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 2: They're not really performing at a high level. They're just

924
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: existing very comfortably and stress free. And if they're not stressed,

925
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: that also tells me they're not performing, they're not trying

926
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: to perform. But anyway, so I'm balance those a lot

927
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: constantly because I always I know that I feel and

928
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: look best around twelve percent body fat when I start

929
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 2: getting below, and this is from a DEXA scan, that's

930
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: currently where I am right now, So I look and look,

931
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: feel and perform the best around that. I still do

932
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: jiu jitsu and wrestle regularly, like I'm still I'm a

933
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 2: first three black belt, Like I want to get back

934
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: to competing in grappling grappling competitions, so I'm still regularly

935
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: doing that. I'm also a father of an eight year

936
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 2: old and a five year old, so like I want

937
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: to I want to live a really, really long time,

938
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: So I'm constantly having to look at like, Okay, how

939
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: do we address all three of these things and how

940
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: do we periodize those? And so around winter is when

941
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I don't. I'm gonna have my shirt

942
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 2: on more like I'm not. Now I live at the beach,

943
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: like the Winner for the average person, is the perfect

944
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: time to focus a little bit more on performance, So

945
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: I'll move a little bit more towards a calorie maintenance

946
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: maintenance or a calorie surplus during the Winner.

947
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 3: When it starts getting.

948
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: Back down to like February, that's where I'll go into

949
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: a slot deficit. I never let myself get above two

950
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: hundred and ten pounds, so once I'm usually about two

951
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 2: o eight to two ten around that January February, then

952
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: I'll start eating a slot deficit to where by summertime

953
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: I'm two.

954
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:04,959
Speaker 3: Hundred and two o five. It was actually one ninety

955
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: eight this morning.

956
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: Because like now that I live at the beach, I

957
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 2: spend pretty much all of my time here training when

958
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 2: I'm not so I work with naval special warfares now

959
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: as well, in addition to fighters.

960
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 3: And athletes a free dive.

961
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: I worked out, and I trained jiu jitsu and wrestling constantly,

962
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 2: so I'm just super super active at this point.

963
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,720
Speaker 4: Sounds like a nice life. You've figured something out.

964
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: I love it. It's it's yeah, dude, I love my life.

965
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 3: I really do.

966
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: I have this conversation with my kids the other day

967
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: and they were talking about how they can't they don't

968
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 2: want to grow up, and I'm like, you know, like

969
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, I felt the same way.

970
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: But I'm so glad I did because I'm thirty eight

971
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: years old and I absolutely love being thirty eight years old.

972
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 3: I love it.

973
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: And I've told them that, like, you guys are part

974
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 2: of that, like my kids, like I get to have

975
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: you guys, and you know, I'm healthy and I get

976
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: to do all this cool stuff.

977
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 3: But no, I appreciate that.

978
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, so it's it's the big thing is and

979
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: we can take that to how I work with the fighters.

980
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 2: I never let myself get out of striking distance of

981
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: what my my leanest is. My leanest where I like

982
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: to be is two hundred pounds to two hundred five

983
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: pounds twelve percent body fat. So because I want to

984
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 2: stay in that range, I never get above two ten.

985
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: If at any point I start to get above two ten,

986
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: I put the brakes on and say, okay, let's start

987
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: slowing down.

988
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 4: Yeah that makes sense.

989
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: I kind of I do that myself too, if I

990
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: get over one eighty five. I'm six one, so I'm

991
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: kind of skinny. But if I get over one eighty five,

992
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, let me need it. Yeah, let's

993
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 1: work out a little more.

994
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

995
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 1: And also I get if I get below one seventy five,

996
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: I start to feel like I feel a little more tired.

997
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: So I think it's for the person listening today. It's

998
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: kind of like figure out where do you feel best

999
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: allow what weight allows you to do the things you

1000
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: like to do athletically, and then just trying to say

1001
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: within that bounds and that use those measurements as kind

1002
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: of a target of what you need to do.

1003
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and one thing too, if you eat I eat

1004
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: mostly whole food diet. Like anyone who follows me on

1005
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: Instagram sees, I eat venison on literally almost every single day.

1006
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 3: If I'm not eating venus, I hunt a lot, so

1007
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 3: it's there. I have it. If I'm not eating venison,

1008
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 3: it's usually because I'm out of town.

1009
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: That's it, because I just I always have it. I

1010
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: eat a mostly whole food diet. It's very rare that

1011
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: I eat something that's not whole foods, and then that

1012
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 2: affords me the ability to if I want something that's

1013
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: not necessarily whole food. We have this ice cream place

1014
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: here that's owned by retired Navy seale Chris FETs.

1015
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 3: It's called be Free ice Cream. I love that place,

1016
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 3: the best ice cream in the world.

1017
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 2: And I'll go like once a week and I could

1018
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: eat four scoops, but I eat one scoop because that's

1019
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 2: just moderate, Like I'm going to be.

1020
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: Moderate with it.

1021
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: And I also know it doesn't matter because every meal

1022
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: all throughout the week was a whole food diet that

1023
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 2: was Dowery controlled to be in the portions that I need.

1024
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 2: Another quote that I use a lot with my people

1025
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: is you are what you consistently do, not what you

1026
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 2: occasionally do.

1027
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 3: You know, if you consistently eat ice cream and.

1028
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 2: Occasionally eat whole foods, you're going to look like someone

1029
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: who consistently eats ice cream and occasionally eats whole foods.

1030
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 3: If you consistently eat.

1031
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 2: A high quality whole food diet and occasionally eat ice cream,

1032
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 2: you're going to look that way.

1033
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: So, and to put some context in this, I believe

1034
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 1: that seventy percent of Americans are either overweight or obese,

1035
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: and when you look at what the average American eats

1036
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: the diet is about seventy percent ultra processed food. So

1037
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 1: then you just go, I wonder if that has something

1038
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: to do with it.

1039
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 3: Connect some dots here.

1040
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: You know, it's a it's a fascinating, fascinating.

1041
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: Thing, and I get it.

1042
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: I talk, you know, I give lectures over here to

1043
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 2: these navy seals all the time, and when we start

1044
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: talking to them about I have a way of delivering it.

1045
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 5: I don't.

1046
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't just flat out say it till like the

1047
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: very last of this one lecture. But we start talking

1048
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: about elt the ways to fight inflammation through your diet,

1049
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: the way to look good through your diet, the way

1050
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: to lose weight through your die, the way you do

1051
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: all this, and then they all just kind of realize

1052
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: by the end of it is like it's it's just

1053
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: eat to eat whole foods.

1054
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 3: It takes care of itself.

1055
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 4: All right. I'm going to ask you two final questions.

1056
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: Before we recorded, you said you're working with Max Holloway

1057
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: for an upcoming fight, but you need to get him

1058
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: from one one seventy.

1059
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:23,959
Speaker 4: What does that look like in a healthy way.

1060
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: Well, I don't have to get him from that, So

1061
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: essentially that's Max fought at one forty five, right, so

1062
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: he's fought at one forty five, then he most recently

1063
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 2: has gone up to one fifty five. And you know

1064
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 2: this fight was announced at one seventy.

1065
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 4: Okay, So as we.

1066
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: Talked about anyone who fights at one forty five or

1067
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 2: anyone who fights at one fifty five, they walk.

1068
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 4: Heavier at one already.

1069
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 3: They're already kind of in that position.

1070
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 2: But so honestly, the goal with this would be it's

1071
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 2: kind of the dream for someone like me, and the

1072
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 2: dream for a fighter too. No fighter wants to take

1073
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 2: this chance, but I love it when they do. Is, Hey,

1074
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: what would I feel like if all I have to

1075
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: do for this fight camp is eat as much as

1076
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 2: it requires for me to feel good and perform, Like

1077
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 2: you get to feel good all camp, You get to

1078
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: eat really good food all camp.

1079
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 3: You never have to to struggle with that.

1080
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: Man, I miss this and and you know I woke

1081
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 2: up feel an extra sore and tired. Like, imagine if

1082
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,479
Speaker 2: you got to feel great for all eight to twelve

1083
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 2: weeks of a fight camp, and that's what he'll get

1084
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 2: to feel.

1085
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: Like, that's awesome and he's uh, he's one of the

1086
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: most badass dudes.

1087
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 4: Ever, I feel like he's just a real life scrapper.

1088
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 2: I've said to him anytime I'm interviewed and someone asked

1089
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 2: him Max a question about Max, I was like, there

1090
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: there is there is no one on earth like Max,

1091
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: not even just that that natural Hawaiian spirit that comes

1092
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: out when he fights. Yeah, he also has the the

1093
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 2: aloha right.

1094
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 3: He is also then just an amazing human being.

1095
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 5: It's like, how did how did you get both of

1096
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 5: these qualities of just being such an amazing human being

1097
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 5: but can also flip that switch and go to this crazy,

1098
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 5: crazy level of there's really no self preservation there.

1099
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's it's it's not it's.

1100
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 2: Not I'm concerned, like what could happen to me in

1101
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: this exchange point to the ground and start swinging. Anyone

1102
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: else is like, oh what if? What if Justin Geigee

1103
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 2: catches me in the gym? There's there's none of that

1104
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: with Max. It's it's, you know, I'm having fun, Let's

1105
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: go fight, like, let's give the crowd what they want.

1106
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: He's he's just I think if you're the UFC, like

1107
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 2: Max has to be the dream athlete because he's he

1108
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: does you know, it's everyone just loves him. He's he's

1109
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: easy to he's easy to promote.

1110
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 4: Right, totally.

1111
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: All right, final question because you mentioned Justin Geechee. So

1112
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: for Freedom two fifty, I want to hear your picks

1113
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: if you're willing to give them to us. Gae Chee

1114
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: and t for you.

1115
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: Man, I love Justin Gaechie. I think if you're if

1116
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: you're if you're just looking at skill set, right, you're

1117
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 2: going it's Ilia. Like I think that's if we're just

1118
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: looking at skill set and what they've shown, it's Ilia.

1119
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: But if you're looking.

1120
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 3: At that, and I always do, if you're.

1121
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 2: Looking at that factor, the factor that Strickling had, that

1122
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 2: gets comes up that those little things.

1123
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 3: That you can't train for, Geechie has that right.

1124
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: So I'm actually going to say that I think Geichie

1125
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: catches him.

1126
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 3: Can I do?

1127
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: Because I think Gaechie has the capability of taking it.

1128
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 3: To waters where Ilia's not been.

1129
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 2: Like Gechie, Getchie is a dog and Geichie wants that

1130
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 2: like like he he is completely okay to get hurt,

1131
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: to make this exciting and bring it into a brawl.

1132
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 3: And I think he can do that.

1133
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 2: So that's my that's my wild prediction, but I'm going

1134
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 2: to say gaety catches he u t k.

1135
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 4: O Danya and ba Beejeta.

1136
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 3: I'm always going to pull for pay.

1137
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 4: He's the scariest human being I've ever seen.

1138
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: It's yes, and and he's never He's never mean. But

1139
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to sound offensive because I like,

1140
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: I've only briefly made him, because anyone who's worked closer

1141
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: with him talks about how nice he is.

1142
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 3: But he's not just like outwardly nice.

1143
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's very like.

1144
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: He'll smile on all this, but he's not the guy

1145
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: that's going to come up and just be super friendly.

1146
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 3: He's just stoic. He's he's just like an immovable mountain.

1147
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: He's there own business, and his business is knocking people out.

1148
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.

1149
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 2: I love I love Yeah, I love his whole look.

1150
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: I love I love everything that he does. The uh,

1151
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: the the face.

1152
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 3: Pain like everything about him. He's he's the man.

1153
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: Oh uh final O'Malley and zombie. Did I pronounced his

1154
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: last name right?

1155
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1156
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's I'm gonna go with Amalley.

1157
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:12,919
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna do it.

1158
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 3: Can I be honest like I've never been a sean O'Malley.

1159
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,959
Speaker 2: As a as a I'm just pulling some wild ones

1160
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: for this card.

1161
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 3: But uh, as a fan, I try to separate because I.

1162
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: Work with guys like I'm not a fan of of

1163
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of people unless I work with him.

1164
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, like I've only had like some brief interactions

1165
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: with him. He's he's a very nice guy. But I think,

1166
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 2: I think again, I think he has some of that

1167
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: factor too. I think he's is absolutely a stud. He's

1168
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: lost some some foughts that are are fair to lose,

1169
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: you know, but I think he is. I think he's,

1170
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 2: if anything, a bit underrated talent wise.

1171
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: To be honest, I love it all right, O'Malley bejata kai.

1172
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: There you go, put in your bats listeners. The word

1173
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: is in and if you lose, I.

1174
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 4: Don't know what to tell you. Don't blame me.

1175
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't blame Tyler. But Tyler, thanks all for coming

1176
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: on the show man. That was awesome to chat, awesome.

1177
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, buddy, Thanks for checking out the show, and

1178
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: thanks to Tyler for coming on, and thanks to those

1179
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,640
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1180
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,680
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1181
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,080
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1182
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,280
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1183
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,680
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1184
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,520
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1185
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,040
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1186
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,280
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1187
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:38,320
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