WEBVTT - Salt-N-Pepa 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:25.120 That's okay because no one here is. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.639 Hi, everybody, and welcome back to teen Beat, a podcast 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:34.479 in the diversified portfolio we call the Danielle Fischer Shows. 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:37.960 Teen Beat is where I sit with interesting people who 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.919 have done interesting things to investigate their past, like I'm 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:43.760 some sort of talky private eye. 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.160 Because I know that by remembering. 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.000 Yesterday, we get ready for today. Put that on a 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:53.680 greeting card. Baby. Sure, I spent my entire adolescence on 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:56.240 TV for the world to see, but not everyone had 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.000 a hair and makeup team before a learner's permit. I 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:02.000 see it this way. I gave you my childhood. It's 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:06.800 time we hear yours. The term legends is thrown around 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:10.280 quite a bit in twenty twenty six, in my opinion. 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:10.920 A bit too much. 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.960 When it comes to handing out this title of culture immortality, 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.600 I think people should be a little pickier. You need 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:23.920 decades of relevancy, a past filled with revolutionary achievements, a 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.560 history of opening doors for others who may not have 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:29.720 had the chance without you, and a bunch of bops 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.600 that will find their way onto workout playlists for the 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.880 next one hundred years. So make no mistake about it. 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:42.360 My guests this week are legends. They taught us to 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.840 push it, to express ourselves, and to talk about sex. 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.000 They were the first ever female rap act to go 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:52.960 gold and platinum, and alongside Queen Latifah, were the first 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.600 to win a barrier breaking Grammy on a night that 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.200 changed the event forever. They have sold more than fifteen 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:03.280 million records worldwide and just last year were inducted into 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.880 the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And now they 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.400 are going out on the road to co headline the 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:13.560 It's Iconic Tour alongside TLC with special guests En Vogue, 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.600 be Still my Nineties, R and B Heart. It's my 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:21.760 absolute honor to welcome to the podcast the first Ladies 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:28.000 of Rap, Saltan Pepa Ladies. Hey, this is such an 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.720 honor to be here with you. Thank you so much 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.240 for sitting down with me. I'm I'm honestly starstruck, and 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.400 I don't know starstruck very often, but I feel it now. 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:43.040 I love that your legendary hip hop career, this game 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:48.040 changing Hall of Fame rap group all started at US Sears. Yes, 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:53.280 you both worked there as customer service reps. So first 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.760 I must know what are the worst phone calls you 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:57.920 got while they're. 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.720 The hang ups, it will be the Ryl James calling 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.720 from sears click because because you have to reach your Koda, 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:10.200 so it's very important to keep them on. Very depressing 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.639 is so it was so depressing. They had like charts 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.640 like on display for everyone to see, and then graphs. Right, 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:20.880 so if you made a lot of sales, your graph 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:24.240 was up to here. And me and Pep's grass always like. 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:25.280 We always didn't called it. 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.480 We would call each other and then the supervisor walked 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.640 by and then we're like, yes, that would be twenty 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:37.880 eight dollars a month, just taking just talking about your weekend. 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.600 Yeah, exactly, Oh my gosh. 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.760 And so who broke the ice? Who started talking to 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:46.640 the other one? First? 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:47.640 You did? 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:49.880 I started talking to her because I used to see 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.000 her in the lunch room and I was in a 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:56.680 bit of a loudmouth and I used to be loud, loud, loud, 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:58.600 and I used to always see her, you know, a 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.720 crossing the lunchroom corner. I was quit quiet, quiet, very quiet. 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.040 She ain't involved but not doing right. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:12.280 She's that story. Yes, my friends always adopted me, and 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.320 I came over one know, like this is a good 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.440 old tea, like, you know, you see this in a movie. 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:18.520 You know, we did a movie. But I came over 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:20.240 like like, basic, what's your deal? 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:27.040 She was all punk rock. Yeah, that was liked blonde 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:31.760 hair and leopard depends in my ears. We were just 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.960 a total opposite total That opposite attract thing is a 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:36.440 real thing. 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:38.520 When she came over and said like, what's the deal, 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:39.200 what's your story? 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:43.000 Did you you were like I was fascinated because people 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:48.480 don't usually like across my my quiet barrier. And she's 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:52.000 just like, who are you? Are you only about yourself 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:54.679 talking to anybody? 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:59.160 Well, you guys were coincidentally also both nursing school students 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.159 at the same school, but you met at sears, not 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:02.719 at school. 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:06.800 Yeah, we were nursing students college, but we didn't need 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.880 at college, yes, and just taking the courses, the courses 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.200 together together. Liberal Arts was you know, when you don't 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:14.000 know what you want to do. 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:14.640 That was me. 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.240 And we also didn't go to class. Well I didn't 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:18.920 go to class. 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:20.040 I'm Jamaican. I had to do. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.520 We used to play spades in the lunch roy at 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:31.320 at Queensboro College. Yeah, we just started like the thing 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.920 about our friendship is our sense of humor. Like you 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:36.279 know when you have a friend that you just have 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.520 this warped sense of humor with totally and you just 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.200 lose your mind laughing and nobody else. 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:47.839 Joe be there exactly, that would be us. 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.720 It's nice to feel seen on a whole other l 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.000 No one else would be laughing at this get exactly 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.440 Well this sears also had play from Kidd and Play 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.360 and Martin Lawrence is the greatest I've ever heard of. 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:06.080 Yes, it was Kid and Play at serious Martin, Martin Lawrence, 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.799 all of us and our producer Herbie Yeah, and everyone 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.680 had a dream and we all talked about what we 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.240 were going to do and we all did it. 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:14.840 You all did it. 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.320 We always said whoever makes it first, well, you know, 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.560 help out the other one. So we got put on first, 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:26.160 and our first shows we had Martin Lawrence open up 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.320 opening for us and do his comedy. So we was 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:32.479 bringing hip hop and comedy before it's time. 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.880 You guys were trailblazers every capacity. 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:36.640 Yeah. 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.839 Wow, Well we know that it was Herbie love Bugs 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:43.320 as Salt's boyfriend who had a school project that first 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.720 got you to record the showstopper, your first ever song. 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:49.560 Did either of you have to be convinced? 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:51.760 Was it like, all right if we have to help 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:53.440 you out for your first song? 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:53.800 No? 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.240 Yeah, no, I was failing miserably in school. I was like, oh, 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.520 this is it for me, this is what I want 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:01.560 to do, maybe a little different. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.280 I did not think I was going to do that 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.960 at all, like at all, at all, at all. 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.360 You could have told me I was gonna wrap like 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:12.320 you knows. 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.120 We knew it, we played with it, but not to 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:15.400 make a record with it. 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.840 So I wasn't thinking that, And so I had a 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:23.040 more difficult time in the beginning with it, you know. 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:27.480 And I love the hard work, like the what I 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.800 went through, the hours in the studio, the grind like. 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:33.560 This is and I was still going to college. 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.800 Was like, you gotta quit because you know, girl, we 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:40.040 made it. 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.880 We gotta get on the row already. She's Jamaican, she's. 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.640 You know, she didn't know that's right. 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.560 Two tree jobs y. 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:57.040 So this school project starts getting radio play from one 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.640 of the greatest to ever do it, DJ Marley Morrow. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.560 Do you remember the first time you heard it on 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:03.000 the air? 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:04.880 Best moment ever? 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:06.560 Tell me everything about it. 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:08.960 I was driving in my dots in two ten. 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:11.840 It has a hole in the right side passenger side, 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.040 so shevel has it when it's raining and the puddle 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:23.480 seat up up beat up ready today, but driving on 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.520 you know, you're in Queens and then we've been waiting, 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.360 like you know, rap music wasn't even played by an 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:34.080 hour on Saturdays, and everyone's waiting, and then at one 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.520 point we just kind of gave up, you know, like 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:37.520 are they gonna play? 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:38.280 I was just. 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.360 Casually driving that day and then it came on the 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:43.200 radio and I was driving. I threw that car and 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:48.320 parked like so fast, and I screamed and. 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.520 We was we was like, were on the radio, We're. 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:56.440 On radio, jumping out the car. 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:55.320 Was. 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:04.000 Like, I don't care. 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.600 I wanted to hear the song the car. We could 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.040 actually the song. 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.920 We're on the radio. Enjoy it. But that's that's like 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.679 the highlight, I feel like of any artist's career for 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.520 the most part at that time, right because it's it's 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.600 something about the first time you know your voice is 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.520 going out through the airwaves after you put in all 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.040 that hard work and you hustled, and now somebody's actually 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:32.600 playing your record on the radio. Unmatched rock and Roll 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:38.199 Hall of Fame, that Star on the Walk Fame. 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:42.400 I could go on to that moment. We already got 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:50.440 show that's good. 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.960 From there, buzz starts circulating. You drop out of nursing school, 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:00.840 make the decision, you get a record deal, which uh 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.720 it turns out you end up having your debut album 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:11.200 Hot Cool and making you the first female rap group 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:16.240 to receive both gold and platinum certification, led by the 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:20.400 single Push It. What percentage of people do you think 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.240 know that that song is about dancing. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:27.079 And me. 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:32.480 At least that's what we thought. 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:36.959 For real, people do not believe that. They're like, come on, girls, 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:41.000 y'all knew what that song is about for interpretation, because 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:45.240 some people thought it was saying real good. Yes, and 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:46.480 we definitely was not. 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:51.040 The producer we had, trust me, if he his intention was. 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.440 For that, it would have been that he would have 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.079 It would have been very clear. It was so organic 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:01.000 how everything from the video to the song, how it 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.560 picked up the moments, because that wasn't even the single 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:05.840 that was being promoted. It was a B side to 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.040 a song Tramp that we were actually which is say 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:12.720 a side so you know, DJ flipped it, so everything 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:16.280 it's just yeah, a DJ in San Francisco. 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:16.760 I hate that. 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.280 I don't remember his name. He passed away. We got 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.080 to google his name, but he just started playing the 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:26.559 record and it just took off, like no Paola, you know, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:32.000 no setup, no planning, Like everybody just responded to that song. 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:36.040 And we were on tour actually, and Herbie called us 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.319 and he was like, do push it in your next 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:42.800 said yeah, put it, like what and we performed it 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:48.120 and got the radio that is the raised performance was 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:49.560 the video that funny. 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:53.560 It's like radio back then was really the algorithm of 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:54.080 its time. 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.960 It's like this way was just saying, yeah, you can't predict. 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.640 Yeah, you can get talented people all in a room 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.280 listening the same album and the one that's going to 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:03.560 hit with the audience. 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.040 Sometimes you just can't put your finger. 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.199 On and as an artist, artists usually don't know right, 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.200 Like we'll have a favorite song even though she is 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.600 our favorite song and it was a hit, but they 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:17.360 an artist will pick something obscure and then the audience 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.679 is like, it's so close to you, close to you exactly. 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.400 My son loves you. By the way, I. 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:30.040 Just wanted to say that we look weird too. Yeah, 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.640 like the biggest car. I was just telling moment. 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.080 Like, I can't wait to tell him. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:36.120 I needed to get that out. 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.640 You got your momentum to take. 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:44.760 A picture together. So what do your families think about 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.520 this now becoming your job? Did they think you were 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.120 just going to end up back at nursing school or 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:49.880 did they believe in it? 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.120 Yeah, my family had a little hot time in the beginning, 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.520 and I was like, no, this is it. 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:57.240 This is good. 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.240 I think this is gonna go. This is gonna go, 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.000 you know, and was like, okay, I'll support you and 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.520 I'm grown still, but we always have to still get 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.719 permissions with each other in this like family. 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:09.439 Again. 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.440 Yeah, I just got I had got my first tattoo. 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:13.440 I had to clear it with my mom. 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.319 Wow at what age? 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:21.040 No, Yeah, I just I just was like, you can 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.559 be okay. She was like, I don't really like tattoos, 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:24.880 but I'm okay with that. 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.959 That's me and my daughter. But I was I'm the rebel. 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.719 Tell me what to do? You listen to your used 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.719 to listen to her older sisters. I feel like you listen. 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:39.720 To your sisters. 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:42.439 Your mother. So my parents were like her do her 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.640 thing because you know, she's gonna do it anyway. We 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.640 don't know what she's doing and we don't understand it. 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:55.679 But okay, okay. Were you guys raised in musical homes? 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:57.280 What did you listen to growing up? 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:02.360 A lot of mold town Jim Green, A lot of 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:07.760 reggae music, but a lot of that old soul music, 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:11.880 all the soul music. Yeah, And my dad used to 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:13.880 be a do whopper. He was like one of those, 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:15.480 Like he had a group that used to be on 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.440 the corner, so he always played a lot of jazz. 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.520 And you know, Saturday morning cleaning, did you do that 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:21.760 and you. 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:23.880 Turn on the music everybody together. 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.200 Yes, So we had music playing on the high fi 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:32.080 before it was Wi Fi every Saturday, and you know, 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.480 you're not you're absorbing that energy and you don't know that. 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:36.880 It's like. 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:45.880 The y is coming back, making the comeback. People like, yeah, funny. 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:47.720 That like we attacked the music is. 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:51.160 It brings so much joy into our lives, specifically from 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.840 those moments where you're actually doing it to distract from 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.480 mature you don't want to do. Those always end up 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.400 being our favorite memories as time as a family. It's like, 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.520 you know, similar to the way You don't get to 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.680 pick the algorithm what's going to work. You don't get 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.160 to pick the core memories. They're all they're not the 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.400 things you think. They're not the big, over the top extravaganzas. 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:14.160 There's the moments of listening to music. Cleaning on a Saturday. 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.200 Yeah, those are bonding. I wish I would have raised 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:20.920 my kids to clean on Saturdays. Good lord, Yeah, we 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:22.000 do Sunday cleaning. 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:22.480 You do. 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:24.440 That's such a great. 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.400 Mom Saturdays are we're you know, we're in at sports, 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:28.840 so we got Saturday. 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:30.760 Games and Saturday this, and on Sunday it's. 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:32.040 Like we're going to hang out at the house. We're 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.040 going to get this place off spiffy for our week. 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:36.600 Such a good thing to teach your kids. We had. 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.840 We traveled a lot, so we had nannies and housekeepers 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.680 and they never learned anything. 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.480 Just feel like she throws her jacket on the and then. 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.160 Like that a real because it's somebody picking up and 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.640 when you pay attention, Wow, I could see where that's 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.040 a problem for the kid because you're on the road. 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:05.960 So anyway, that's a whole. 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:11.160 Other podcast, Full Kids, No, No, your. 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:15.200 Whole class of mid eighties rappers is full of legends. 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:20.040 Ll Cool, JKRS One Fresh, Prince Cool Mod obviously a 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:20.960 boys club. 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.000 But were you making friends and hanging out with other 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:25.000 rappers at the time. 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.920 I was, yeah, because when I got a you know, 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:30.800 I was ended up going with. 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:32.640 Marquis d from the Fat Boys. 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.520 So he was my industry and I was new in 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:39.360 the in the in the industry then, and so I'm 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:40.160 looking up to him. 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:41.640 He's already done a movie. 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.840 Then, and and he's you know, with run DMC, and you're. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.880 You're on their tour. So I'm hanging with old DEENI 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:48.960 he taking. 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.280 So I'm like, oh, shoot, that's. 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:53.840 Like that. 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:56.640 So I got to hang for me then. 0:16:56.720 --> 0:17:00.320 That was like wow those times the run DMC, l 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:04.480 L and Yeah. Yeah, we also had like a family 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.400 within our own camp, Like we came up with Heavy 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.639 D and the Boys and Kid in play Right, and 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.680 those were like our boys, our cily. We were a 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:19.480 little bit insulated, bus sharing tour buses. Yeah, it's fun. 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.439 I want to jump into your third album, Black's Magic, 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:27.239 which includes Let's talk about Sex. Nowadays, it would be 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:30.920 hard pressed to find a female rapper who doesn't talk 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:35.760 about sex, But back then, this was unheard of. Did 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:39.280 anyone push back at the fearlessness of it? 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:41.760 Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's what it was supposed to do. 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.960 Yeah. Note, He'm gonna play this on the radio. That's 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.480 a little conversation we had in the beginning of the song, 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.680 knowing that it would be some conish, but the song 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.879 is about being responsible, being aware, having the conversation. But 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:59.040 most people don't listen to lyrics sadly, and so we've 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.080 had parents come up to us and say, oh, we 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.560 thought you were great role models and da da da da, 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:05.240 and we're like, did you listen to this? 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:07.520 You know? 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.520 So it actually took on a life of its own. 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:17.040 Also eventually became like the anthem for sexual awareness classes 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:21.560 in college. We turned Let's Talk about Sext's assay called 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:25.399 Let's Talk about AIDS. Peter Jennings played it on his 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:29.040 special and so Salt and Pepper kind of like at 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:33.000 a time when it wasn't popular to be an advocate 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:37.639 for HIV and AIDS awareness, we were outside talking about 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:41.080 it because we were actually like, man, it's serious. 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:45.480 Yeah, separation in the industry, and I want to know 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.160 about the dudes under don't. 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.320 I used to talk to my little sister. I'll be like, girl, 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.000 don't be out here messing around. You gotta make sure 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.760 he wrapped that thing up. So yeah, we kind of 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:58.879 led the charge in that, and then a lot of 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:04.879 organizations like Life Beat it was a gay men's health crisis, 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:07.560 like we just became their baby, you know, and they 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:09.840 just adopted us to do all the stuff. 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.399 Well, yeah, because they have so much fear mongering at 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:12.720 the time. 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.840 It's not a lot of direct education. Yes, and so 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:20.600 to be able to put direct education in a song 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.600 that people can just mauve along to and know the words, 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.119 it's like you're so ahead of your time in so 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:42.439 many different ways. Well, then the next album, nineteen ninety 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:46.760 three's Very Necessary just has hit after hit after hit 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:50.240 after hit. It has sold more than seven million copies worldwide. 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.320 You want a Grammy sharing the honor of first female 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:56.800 rap act to win the award with Queen Latifah. Did 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.119 it feel special when you were recording it. 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.679 I have to say it felt amazing because of the 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:10.000 timing of that album. Uh, we were just waking up, 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.560 like in terms of like trying to figure out our 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:14.040 rights and things like that. 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:15.080 We should be getting more. 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.640 We're doing so much we're selling with this and that 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.480 and just out of you know, it's like I said, Timm, 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.959 it was mc hammer's brother because at the time they 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:24.840 said this is how much you get. Only Michael Jackson 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.080 could get this kind of points. Like we're like, oh, 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:28.120 okay and. 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.560 Michael Jackson, so we don't talk about that's it sure, 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:37.280 And I never forget mc hammer brother. Louis Barrell. 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:39.639 We're discussing and I was telling them the points we 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:42.199 get and what we're selling. He was like, you this, this, this, this, 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:44.439 go back and tell him you you need this and 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.000 I said, no, they're going to say this. He said, 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:47.399 you tell them you need this and don't take no 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:50.160 finansa And I was like okay, and talk to Saul 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:52.800 and we went in like this this, you know, this 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:57.280 is what we're gonna yes if they're not fair and 0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:59.960 we're standing our crowd, right, and then I have to 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:02.320 the song came up with a shoot right, I had 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.520 just me so I'm like the dog Dog Dog. We 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:10.199 cannot put pepper song first on an album, like you know, 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.240 the labels was calling Herbie like what's this? You know, like, no, 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:15.439 we can't do that, but you know it ended up 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:17.920 being undeniable. But people were like, Yo, this is a song, 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.160 this is a single, let's go. It's no song I wrote, 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:21.080 and we was like, let's go. 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:23.520 I produced it, and we was like. 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:27.440 We did it all the above. We changed our deal 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:32.280 at that moment, got a better deal. That song for us, 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:36.840 our first single, not Herbie Salt and Pepper, and we 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:39.040 broke the album. 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:41.280 It takes you know, makes. 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.520 The temperature that you know, it sets the temperature for 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:45.880 the a the focus track. 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.440