WEBVTT - Did John Titor travel through time? 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.960 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:08.880 It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:17.560 text stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello, everyone, 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.279 Welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Poulette and 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:22.880 I am an editor at how stuff works dot Com. 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:26.320 Sitting across from me as usual as senior writer Jonathan Strickland. 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:30.600 Last night, Darth Vader came down from Planet Vulcan and 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:33.040 told me if I didn't take Lorraine out that he'd 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:40.280 melt my brain. You got that one, Okay? Good, Hey, 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:44.280 we're gonna start it's your no, never mind, we're gonna 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.520 We're gonna start this off with a little Facebook feedback. 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:52.680 This comes from Kevin, who says podcast Idea, who is 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:56.720 John Tyder, the time traveler from twenty six who posted 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.280 on discussion boards back in two thousands, would love to 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:04.120 hear you guys talk about him slash hoax slash time traveler. Well, Kevin, 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.240 you're gonna get your wish. But before we get to John, 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:11.039 let's talk about about some other time traveling stories that 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:14.199 hit the internet over Actually the ones I'm talking about 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:17.960 hit recently. Yeah, I think that's why? Uh why John 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.720 has been in the news or on people's minds lately. 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:22.280 It's because of these other stories that have been in 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.800 the news. Yeah, so there's a there's a website called 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:31.440 Virtual Museum, and yes, Virtual Museum has a photo up 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:35.560 of the reopening of the South Fork Bridge after flood 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:41.040 in November nineteen. Now, in this photo you'll see a 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:45.160 whole bunch of typical nineteen forties style folks, mostly in 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.000 you know, like the men are all in suits and 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:50.120 the women are all in dresses, and they're all looking 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.280 off to the opening of the bridge, the reopening of 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:57.520 the bridge. Right in the towards the back of the group, 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.200 in the middle is a fellow who does not look 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.240 like he belongs with everybody else. So wait, wait, wait, 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.680 wait does he have a red and white striped shirt 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.760 and a hat with it? Is not Waldo? Um, I 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.760 keep looking for that guy. He never found it. He 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:15.360 looks mortal. He looks more like a racer head than Waldo. 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:19.360 Now he has he has medium to longish hair, but 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.600 it's not like down, you know, it's not worn down. 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.280 It's actually sticking up a bit. And he's got these 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:29.959 sunglasses on that have these weird uh side panels on them, 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.360 and he looks like he's wearing a sweater over a 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:37.400 silk screened T shirt. Okay, so it looks like, you know, 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:41.040 he's dressed down and his hairstyles a little funky for 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.480 the time period, and um, he just he doesn't look 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.240 like he fits well. There were some people who said, 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.320 is this is this a time traveler or was it 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.240 photoshopped in? It had to be photoshopped in, right, it 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.480 had to be. Uh. Upon closer examination, it did not 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:58.400 look like it had been photoshopped in. It looked like 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:02.520 this guy literally was there at that time. However, upon 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:06.840 even further examination, it was discovered this wasn't really a 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:11.440 mystery that the the elements that that people identified as 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:18.840 being from out of that time we're not actually uh anachronisms. Uh. 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:22.640 The glasses, for example, were these these hinged glasses that 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.560 had these little side panels on sunglasses that had been 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:30.840 around since the twenties. And uh, he was obviously holding 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:32.440 a camera as well, and it looked like it was 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.800 a period camera, like one camera that would have been around. 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:39.960 In the sweater was not really out of place, and 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.480 even the shirt upon closer examination, looked like one of 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:47.040 the kind of handmade shirts that uh that people made 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:50.440 at the time too, for various sports teams like a 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.280 college sports team or a high school sports team. So 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.920 upon further discussion, it appears that this guy was just 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:58.800 you know, he's just a guy of his time. It's 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.640 just he was not dressed up like everyone else. He 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:05.680 was more of a student slash artist kind of type. Yeah, 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:09.040 well before hippies, but yes, yes, the the precursor to 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.520 the hippie. So clearly I would have hated this person. 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:17.680 But the hippies and hipsters, man, don't get me started anyway. 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:22.000 So the the In fact, I had a friend who 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:26.919 who suggested that the camera was a Brownie Special one seven. 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.240 Really yeah, it's kind of crazy that someone was able 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.800 to identify that just by this, and the picture does 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.520 not show the guy holding the camera prominently. He's actually 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:38.040 it's got it's right around his stomach level, so it's 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.599 just barely in frame. But she picked that out pretty quickly. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:46.160 Way to go rifka, So um, yeah, it's it's That 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.800 was one of those moments where there were enough things 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.200 in the picture that looked a little weird to make 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.880 people say, oh, this has got to be Uh, this 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:57.200 can't be from that time, but it just really shows 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:01.120 that we're far enough out of that time amera to 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.960 not be able to see what does and doesn't belong. 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.640 That's funny too, because it wasn't but a few days 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:11.520 ago as of the date we are recording this in 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:18.040 early November, um, when Charlie Chaplin was accused of capturing 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.479 a time traveler on film. Yeah, it's just the sort 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.160 of thing that little jerk would have done. That's why 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:27.680 I like you, Buster Keaton. You never would pull those shenanigans. 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:34.200 I really don't know that. Yeah, I know, but yeah, okay, No, 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.120 it's from the circus. It was drawn to our attention 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:42.159 by Irish filmmaker George Clark. Yes, it's important to note 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:48.120 this is a filmmaker who's making this big yeah his 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.960 uh and in the YouTube video he uploaded a YouTube video. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.960 What happened was supposedly, um George as I like to 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.600 call him, uh post, you guys are on the same 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.640 you know, the first name basis there. Clearly he's an irishman. 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:08.200 I've seen Ireland as I flew over it to England. 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:13.680 Um So anyway, Georgia George, and he bought the these 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:18.680 collect this collection of Charlie Chaplin movies. Yeah, brought him home, 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:23.600 started watching the extras on the various DVDs, and one 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:28.680 of them had a newsreel from nineteen the premiere of 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:33.479 the Circus. Yes. And during this news reel, Yes, the 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:37.680 newsreel was showing the the the grand premiere at Man's 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:42.160 Chinese Theater. And uh. As part of this news reel, 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.520 there's a moment where a fellow walks into frame, followed 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:50.680 closely by a woman, uh, you know, kind of a 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:54.320 a large ish woman in a big coat and a 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.479 top hat walking behind the fellow, and she has her 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.360 her hand that's facing the she's she's walking in profile 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.039 to the camera. Essentially her hand that you can see. Yeah, 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.039 the hand that you can see is held up to 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:10.280 her face as if it's holding something like perhaps a phone, 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:15.040 but a cell phone. In nine that doesn't sound right, 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.160 So clearly the answer must be she was a time traveler. 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:22.120 At least that's the answer. George came to and he 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.200 said it's the only one that makes sense because he 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.840 didn't say it like that because he was irish. Um. Yes, 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.640 he said he should showed it to a crowd of 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.840 about a hundred people, and none of them could come 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:37.080 to any other conclusion. They didn't know clearly it was 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.840 a hundred people who were smashed on Guinness, because I 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.280 could think of a couple of different reasons off the 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.760 top of my head. He actually did um, he did 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:52.320 the the typical television uh thing that you do whenever 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.920 you have any footage, zoom in and enhance, zoom in 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.960 and enhance. So he zoomed in to try and get 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.400 look and see what was going on here. And it 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.440 kind of looks like she's holding something in her hand, 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.320 but it's I don't think it's really that obvious. It's 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.240 it could simply be that she was literally scratching the 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.320 side of her face. It does look at the end 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.560 of the little clip, just as she goes out of frame, 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:19.720 that she's saying something or her mouth at least is moving. Yes, yes, 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:23.440 now uh. There have been, of course, many attempts now 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:27.760 to explain what's going on part of them, and part 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:29.200 of it has to do with the fact that she 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:33.200 she or as Mr Clark suggests, it could be a 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.920 man wearing women's clothes. Um, whoever the person is is 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.880 is actually speaking, which confuses the matter even more. Hang on, 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.080 so it's a cross dressing time traveler. It's apparently that's 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:47.160 is it Frankenfurger because he he could travel through space 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:51.840 and time? Let's stop. Um. Possibly, but okay, So the 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.840 first explanation, and one of the more plausible ones that 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.200 I've seen, is that it's a compact hand trumpet. And now, 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.520 of course, lots of us, even our young for listeners, 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.280 have probably seen the hand trumpets that people used to 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.880 use before they were electrical hearing aids. Um. And these 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:08.800 would have been used towards the end of the nineteenth 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:12.360 century early part of the twentieth century. And um, it 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:17.400 is entirely possible. Actually, the the article I saw that 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.079 tried to explain that was from Jeremy Sue who wrote 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.920 for a Life science UM and he spoke with a 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.640 with the historian named Philip Scrasca, who was an archivist 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:31.960 at the Bernard Becker Medical Library at Washington University in St. Louis. 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.840 Or is those of us in competing schools column wash 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:40.720 you very good school, um, But basically, you know, we're 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.000 used to I'm used to thinking of the ones that 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.160 they used to see in pictures like Beethoven, where it's 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.480 a giant. It looks like you're holding the side of 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.160 a gramophone up to your head. You know that that 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:55.280 uh you're thinking of Pete Dragon where the character holds 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:59.760 the big Yeah, exactly exactly, but U and basically was 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:01.400 like it was like a funnel that you'd hold up 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:02.800 to your ear so maybe you could hear a little 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:04.839 bit better. And I think it did you know it 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:09.520 had some effect? Um no, no, it works. But but 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:14.360 apparently there were compact models and some people think that 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.200 it may have been a very small version. And really, 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:19.960 as a couple of commenters I saw online put it, 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.360 you wouldn't want to carry one of these big things 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.320 around with me you while you're walking. You want something 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.880 that's small and light and portable. So that is a 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:34.720 possible explanation. Well, and four years before that, premiere Semens 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:40.840 Yes produce the A handheld hearing aid essentially is what 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.040 it was. And um, yeah, they weren't the n ear 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.280 models that you see now which are all but invisible. Yeah. 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.520 It was actually was a microphone amplifier and you held 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.840 the amplifier side to your ear. The microphone side would 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.440 stay out facing the world, and that's you know, you 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.400 would hold it to your ear like the way we 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.120 do with cell phones. And they were about the same 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.520 size as cell phones are today, So it could and 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.040 and like I said, four years earlier those have been 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.800 introduced now they were expensive. But this is a lady 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:15.679 who's attending a film premiere in Hollywood. So clearly this 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.719 is someone who has at least some means, right, not 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:23.160 necessarily just not someone just walking on the street. She's 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.079 dressed up, she's ready to go to the theater um. 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.760 So it could very easily be someone who has one 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.840 of these hearing aids, and she may be talking in 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.320 a way of testing it, you know, trying to make 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.480 sure that it's working, like hello, Hello, to make sure 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:40.520 that she can hear before she interacts with anyone else, 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.920 or she's yammering to herself, which I do frequently so right, 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.599 or as one other person I saw pointed out, so 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.200 it could be as simple as the fact that her 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.280 jaw ached and she was moving her jaw and she 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.920 had her hand up to her face and nothing was 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:58.640 in the hand. Because the George says that's there's clearly 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.040 something that's black inside her hand. Um, I don't see 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.240 that quite as clearly as George does. I mean, and 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:07.840 I was trying to be as objective as possible, because 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.080 as soon as someone tells you that something is in 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.880 a picture, it's really hard to not see it. Yeah, 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.880 somebody was trying to, uh, to show where the the 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:19.320 part of the ear trumpet would be where you put 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.760 it in your ear canal and going I just don't 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.880 see that in here. The same sort of thing that 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:26.560 where someone shows you a picture and said, do you 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.000 see the face that's in here? And you're like uh, 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:30.640 and then they point out the face and then you're like, oh, 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:34.120 there it is, and then you cannot never not see it. Right. 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:35.839 But if they were just to show you that picture 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:37.160 and say do you see anything in here, and you 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:38.600 might look for a while and saying no, I don't 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.760 see anything and there's nothing here. Um, well, so it 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.319 could have been uh, a hearing aid, could have been 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.079 nothing at all, could have been a little ear trumpet 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.880 of some sort. Um. I like. My favorite part of 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.640 the video, by the way, is when George says specifically, 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:57.319 it's not an AM FM radio because it's night Oh, well, 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.679 that makes sense. Clearly, it has to be a cell 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:04.160 phone because it's nineteen twenty eight, it's the same thing. 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.720 And and how does she get reception in nineteen twenty 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.040 eight with a cellphone when there are no cell phone towers? Yeah? 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.960 That that is the biggest argument I've seen against it. 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:19.840 There's some interdimensional temporal cellphone tower that she's connecting to. 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.880 I'm I'm sure you've seen the The people who want 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.120 to hold onto this their argument to that. If they've 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.600 are society that hasn't invented something as sophisticated as a 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:34.199 time machine, surely they could invent something with an antenna 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.640 for cell phone communication that they would stick on the 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.120 outside of the time machine. Okay, I wonder if these 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:42.520 people have ever heard of something called Acam's razor. What 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:47.079 makes more sense that this lady exists in that time 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.880 frame that's exactly when she's supposed to exist, because that's 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.480 you know, she was born during that era and she's 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.199 walking down the street holding an object that had been 0:13:55.240 --> 0:14:00.200 built four years before was known to exist. Is it 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.600 more likely that that's the answer, or that there was 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:06.280 somehow someone developed time travel, traveled back in time use 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.760 this cell phone, and was not smart enough to stay 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.120 out of the range of a camera it's not like 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:16.920 the camera was even secret they were filming the premier. Why, Like, 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.520 if I'm a time traveler and I go back to 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:23.400 an era that exists before cell phones, I'm not whipping 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.880 the cell phone out at a very public event where 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:30.640 there are cameras around. Yeah, And that leads me to 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:37.760 my favorite of the debunking attempts. Uh. Apparently some video 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:42.840 producers will put things into footage in order to make 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:47.520 them like a a non uh, a non obvious water mark. 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.960 So for the way that maps will sometimes include a 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.640 street that doesn't actually exist in order to prove that 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:58.440 it's their I p yes. So what what some people 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.520 have suggested, and very few people I might add, was 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:05.040 that this is literally an anomaly. It's supposed to make 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:08.120 you notice it so that if somebody else copies the video, 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:12.440 you remember our privacy, our privacy piracy. We've had both 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.320 our piracy broadcast. If you're copying DVDs, they can say, yes, 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:20.920 you took this, because see this anomalous person carrying a 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.960 cell phone in was something that I added and made 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.080 black and white. I would think that just the fact 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.920 that they showed the same video proves that they copied 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.920 it because they had to get it from somewhere. That 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:36.760 argument makes no sense to me. I just like that argument. Right, 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.560 you could do so much better. You have disappointed me. 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.240 Go to your rooms now. Most most people seem to 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.600 be going with the semen's hearing any thing. So let's 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:50.960 go on to uh John Titor yes or t tourds 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.600 T I T O R. I never really was clear 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.320 on exactly how you're supposed to pronounce that name. Well, 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.640 apparently it's not his real name, and I say it 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:03.680 is because le because he's he theoretically exists now he 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.880 lives in Florida. Right, well, he existed then he was 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:08.920 two years old. But no, okay, let's let's start at 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:14.880 the beginning. November two, two thousand, there was a web 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:20.880 form called the Time Travel Institute. Yes, and a person 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:25.200 who referred to himself or herself, possibly as time Travel 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:30.640 Underscore zero posted started to post on this forum, and 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:35.640 then later Time Travel Underscores zero became John Titre or Titour. 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:41.000 However you're supposed to pronounce that j JT JT said 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:45.360 eventually that he had traveled from the year two thousand 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.800 thirty six back in time. This was actually technically his 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:53.440 second stop. His first stop was back in nineteen seventy six. 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:59.000 I want to say, um, sorry it was And uh. 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.960 The re then why he was traveling back in time 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.680 was in two thousand thirty six, they realized they were 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.040 really close to a big event that was going to 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.040 be a huge problem for their computer systems. That's, of 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.240 course talking about two thousand thirty eight, which is a 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:18.520 going to be an issue with Unix UM and uh, 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.520 we actually talked about that in a previous episode. We 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:26.439 don't need to go into that again, but at any rate, Uh. Apparently, 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.359 and by two thousand thirty six, the technology was lost 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:34.359 to interface with these systems and to correct the problem 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:38.679 that existed. So he was sent back in time to 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:45.560 to get an IBM computer because that would allow him 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:50.399 to go back to his original time of six and 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.359 use that computer to fix the problem so that by 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:58.480 eight everything would run smoothly. Yes, apparently, the the IBM 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:03.120 had some functions that weren't included in the original documentation 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.639 for the machine, but had some bearing on what it 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.600 is that he needed to solve. Yeah. In fact, some 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.080 of that is what people who believe that JT really 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.439 did come from the future say, Well, I mean, how 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:18.240 would he know that could do these things if he 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.280 weren't from the future and hadn't discovered it. And the 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.359 answer to that is, actually that information was really available. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.760 It just wasn't in the manual. But but computer engineers 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:29.920 knew all about it. Yeah, so it wasn't like it's 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.800 a documented thing, right, it actually does exist? Yes, Yes, 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:36.440 the computer that JT was supposedly going back in time 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:40.159 to retrieve did exist. Um, is a real thing, and 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.119 it could do the things JT said it could do. Uh. 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:45.720 The the plart where the argument breaks down is some 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.560 people said that those were secret and therefore j T 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.200 must have been telling the truth. But that's not the case. 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:55.560 Those those features were not secret, They just weren't widely 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:59.720 known outside of computer science circles. So that just means 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:01.800 that j he could be a computer scientist when I 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:05.399 what JT said he really was was, uh, he was 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:07.919 an officer in the army or a soldier in the 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.359 army who had been part of this sort of time 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:14.159 travel core. And uh, I think there were eight or 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.440 seven people other people besides him in his time travel unit, 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:22.200 and each of the members had a time travel device 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:25.440 machine that would allow them to go to different points 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.280 of time, and they each had their own assignments. His 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:30.720 assignment was to go back and get this computer, and 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.000 he pointed out that he could spend as much time 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.440 as he wanted to in the past, because when he 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.439 would go back to his present, it would appear as 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.479 if he had only been gone for a couple of seconds, 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:43.640 right like the machine would disappear, and that would immediately 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.840 reappear as if no time it all had had taken place. 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:51.199 But in reality he had spent maybe years away, So 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.960 really the only indication would be his apparent age once 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.560 he stepped out of the time travel machine, which by 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:59.760 the way, was it was a car that had the 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.040 time travel actual device installed, and it had to be 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.439 a car that had a really heavy um suspension so 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:08.240 they could handle a lot of weight. It happened to 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:12.359 be in nineteen sixty seven Chevrolet Corvette. If you're gonna 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:17.320 travel man doing in style DeLorean. But yeah, I was 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.200 gonna say, I feel like I've heard this one before. 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.520 It was a convertible too. It wasn't just a Chevrolet Corvette, 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:26.679 was a convertible. And he said that the way this 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:30.560 time travel device worked was by manipulating gravity, and that 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:35.399 it would actually create two micro singularities, which are essentially 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:39.760 like black holes, so to miniature black holes, would spend 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:44.480 them around and it would alter gravity, and that through 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:49.200 creating this gravity lock system, it could travel through time 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:53.960 and in subsequent messages because j T he he wrote 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.320 stuff from late two thousand to early two thousand one. Yeah, 0:20:57.320 --> 0:20:59.439 he actually held court for a while. He was answering 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.080 people's questions about time travel and what the future was, 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:05.480 like how easy it is to time travel, And that's 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:07.800 how we know so much about this. It's they're like, 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:11.520 we found him somewhere and there there there there are 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:17.120 websites out there that will list all of his posts chronologically. Um. Yeah, 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:18.679 so you can actually read the whole story, and it 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:23.399 is it's long. Yeah, he was prolific with his with 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:27.600 his uh forum posts and that goes that goes against 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:30.920 what you were saying about the person holding the cell 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:34.439 phone in the Charlie Chaplin video. I mean, if I 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:37.159 agree with you, if I were in possession of some 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:41.080 future technology and trying to pass as somebody who belonged here, 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:44.800 I wouldn't want to flaunt this. And he's going not 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:48.000 not even you know, just casually using this, you know, 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:51.639 future technology in a public place and and trying to 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:54.960 be ignored. He's actually flaunting it like this is what 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:58.399 I got here on pictures and and that raises a 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:01.280 lot of questions right there, like we're asking him, doesn't 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:03.280 this make you worried that when you go back you're 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.800 gonna get in trouble because you revealed yourself And he's like, 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:08.640 why would I get in trouble? He wouldn't answer the question. 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:11.760 There were certain questions that j T was very good 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:14.240 at evading, and that was one of them. He would 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:16.359 never directly answer that. He's just like, why would they 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:19.280 be mad? I don't know the fact that you revealed 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:23.000 all this information? And you know, there were also times 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:26.720 where he would suggest that, like he was, his message 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:30.920 was really weird, and that sometimes he was talking about 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:34.320 things like in a hope of preventing tragedy, he wanted 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:39.159 to express certain information, but but in another post, just 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:41.280 a little further down, he'd say, yeah, there's no way 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:45.960 to alter the future. So you have these contradictory statements 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:48.160 saying like, oh, I want to try and head off 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:50.840 this this huge disaster that's coming, and boy, you guys 0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:53.520 are gonna be sorry when it happens. And then he'd say, 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:55.639 you know, there's no way to really avoid it because 0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:59.679 time is not elastic like that. Right. Well, I understand 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:02.600 that he was a Now I admit I had never 0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:09.200 heard of of JT before um, this particular episode. But um, 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:11.240 you know, I understand though that he was a believer 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:14.800 in the many worlds theory. Yeah, the Everett Wheeler Graham 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:18.840 multiple world theory of quantum physics. Now, this theory in 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.680 general is you've probably heard about parallel dimensions. Yes, that's 0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:25.360