1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: text stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello, everyone, 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: Welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Poulette and 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: I am an editor at how stuff works dot Com. 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: Sitting across from me as usual as senior writer Jonathan Strickland. 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: Last night, Darth Vader came down from Planet Vulcan and 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: told me if I didn't take Lorraine out that he'd 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: melt my brain. You got that one, Okay? Good, Hey, 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna start it's your no, never mind, we're gonna 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna start this off with a little Facebook feedback. 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: This comes from Kevin, who says podcast Idea, who is 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: John Tyder, the time traveler from twenty six who posted 14 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: on discussion boards back in two thousands, would love to 15 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: hear you guys talk about him slash hoax slash time traveler. Well, Kevin, 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna get your wish. But before we get to John, 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: let's talk about about some other time traveling stories that 18 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 1: hit the internet over Actually the ones I'm talking about 19 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: hit recently. Yeah, I think that's why? Uh why John 20 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: has been in the news or on people's minds lately. 21 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: It's because of these other stories that have been in 22 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: the news. Yeah, so there's a there's a website called 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: Virtual Museum, and yes, Virtual Museum has a photo up 24 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: of the reopening of the South Fork Bridge after flood 25 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: in November nineteen. Now, in this photo you'll see a 26 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: whole bunch of typical nineteen forties style folks, mostly in 27 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, like the men are all in suits and 28 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: the women are all in dresses, and they're all looking 29 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: off to the opening of the bridge, the reopening of 30 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: the bridge. Right in the towards the back of the group, 31 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: in the middle is a fellow who does not look 32 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: like he belongs with everybody else. So wait, wait, wait, 33 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: wait does he have a red and white striped shirt 34 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: and a hat with it? Is not Waldo? Um, I 35 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: keep looking for that guy. He never found it. He 36 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: looks mortal. He looks more like a racer head than Waldo. 37 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: Now he has he has medium to longish hair, but 38 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: it's not like down, you know, it's not worn down. 39 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: It's actually sticking up a bit. And he's got these 40 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: sunglasses on that have these weird uh side panels on them, 41 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: and he looks like he's wearing a sweater over a 42 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: silk screened T shirt. Okay, so it looks like, you know, 43 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: he's dressed down and his hairstyles a little funky for 44 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: the time period, and um, he just he doesn't look 45 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: like he fits well. There were some people who said, 46 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: is this is this a time traveler or was it 47 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: photoshopped in? It had to be photoshopped in, right, it 48 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: had to be. Uh. Upon closer examination, it did not 49 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: look like it had been photoshopped in. It looked like 50 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: this guy literally was there at that time. However, upon 51 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: even further examination, it was discovered this wasn't really a 52 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: mystery that the the elements that that people identified as 53 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: being from out of that time we're not actually uh anachronisms. Uh. 54 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: The glasses, for example, were these these hinged glasses that 55 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: had these little side panels on sunglasses that had been 56 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: around since the twenties. And uh, he was obviously holding 57 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: a camera as well, and it looked like it was 58 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: a period camera, like one camera that would have been around. 59 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: In the sweater was not really out of place, and 60 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: even the shirt upon closer examination, looked like one of 61 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: the kind of handmade shirts that uh that people made 62 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: at the time too, for various sports teams like a 63 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: college sports team or a high school sports team. So 64 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: upon further discussion, it appears that this guy was just 65 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, he's just a guy of his time. It's 66 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: just he was not dressed up like everyone else. He 67 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: was more of a student slash artist kind of type. Yeah, 68 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: well before hippies, but yes, yes, the the precursor to 69 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: the hippie. So clearly I would have hated this person. 70 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: But the hippies and hipsters, man, don't get me started anyway. 71 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: So the the In fact, I had a friend who 72 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: who suggested that the camera was a Brownie Special one seven. 73 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: Really yeah, it's kind of crazy that someone was able 74 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: to identify that just by this, and the picture does 75 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: not show the guy holding the camera prominently. He's actually 76 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: it's got it's right around his stomach level, so it's 77 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: just barely in frame. But she picked that out pretty quickly. 78 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: Way to go rifka, So um, yeah, it's it's That 79 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: was one of those moments where there were enough things 80 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: in the picture that looked a little weird to make 81 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: people say, oh, this has got to be Uh, this 82 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: can't be from that time, but it just really shows 83 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: that we're far enough out of that time amera to 84 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: not be able to see what does and doesn't belong. 85 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: That's funny too, because it wasn't but a few days 86 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: ago as of the date we are recording this in 87 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: early November, um, when Charlie Chaplin was accused of capturing 88 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: a time traveler on film. Yeah, it's just the sort 89 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: of thing that little jerk would have done. That's why 90 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: I like you, Buster Keaton. You never would pull those shenanigans. 91 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: I really don't know that. Yeah, I know, but yeah, okay, No, 92 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: it's from the circus. It was drawn to our attention 93 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: by Irish filmmaker George Clark. Yes, it's important to note 94 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: this is a filmmaker who's making this big yeah his 95 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: uh and in the YouTube video he uploaded a YouTube video. 96 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: What happened was supposedly, um George as I like to 97 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: call him, uh post, you guys are on the same 98 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: you know, the first name basis there. Clearly he's an irishman. 99 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: I've seen Ireland as I flew over it to England. 100 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: Um So anyway, Georgia George, and he bought the these 101 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: collect this collection of Charlie Chaplin movies. Yeah, brought him home, 102 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: started watching the extras on the various DVDs, and one 103 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: of them had a newsreel from nineteen the premiere of 104 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: the Circus. Yes. And during this news reel, Yes, the 105 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: newsreel was showing the the the grand premiere at Man's 106 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: Chinese Theater. And uh. As part of this news reel, 107 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: there's a moment where a fellow walks into frame, followed 108 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: closely by a woman, uh, you know, kind of a 109 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: a large ish woman in a big coat and a 110 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: top hat walking behind the fellow, and she has her 111 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: her hand that's facing the she's she's walking in profile 112 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: to the camera. Essentially her hand that you can see. Yeah, 113 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: the hand that you can see is held up to 114 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: her face as if it's holding something like perhaps a phone, 115 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: but a cell phone. In nine that doesn't sound right, 116 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: So clearly the answer must be she was a time traveler. 117 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: At least that's the answer. George came to and he 118 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: said it's the only one that makes sense because he 119 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: didn't say it like that because he was irish. Um. Yes, 120 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: he said he should showed it to a crowd of 121 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: about a hundred people, and none of them could come 122 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: to any other conclusion. They didn't know clearly it was 123 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: a hundred people who were smashed on Guinness, because I 124 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: could think of a couple of different reasons off the 125 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: top of my head. He actually did um, he did 126 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: the the typical television uh thing that you do whenever 127 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: you have any footage, zoom in and enhance, zoom in 128 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: and enhance. So he zoomed in to try and get 129 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: look and see what was going on here. And it 130 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: kind of looks like she's holding something in her hand, 131 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: but it's I don't think it's really that obvious. It's 132 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: it could simply be that she was literally scratching the 133 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: side of her face. It does look at the end 134 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: of the little clip, just as she goes out of frame, 135 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: that she's saying something or her mouth at least is moving. Yes, yes, 136 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: now uh. There have been, of course, many attempts now 137 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: to explain what's going on part of them, and part 138 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: of it has to do with the fact that she 139 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: she or as Mr Clark suggests, it could be a 140 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: man wearing women's clothes. Um, whoever the person is is 141 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: is actually speaking, which confuses the matter even more. Hang on, 142 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: so it's a cross dressing time traveler. It's apparently that's 143 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: is it Frankenfurger because he he could travel through space 144 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: and time? Let's stop. Um. Possibly, but okay, So the 145 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: first explanation, and one of the more plausible ones that 146 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: I've seen, is that it's a compact hand trumpet. And now, 147 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: of course, lots of us, even our young for listeners, 148 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: have probably seen the hand trumpets that people used to 149 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: use before they were electrical hearing aids. Um. And these 150 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: would have been used towards the end of the nineteenth 151 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: century early part of the twentieth century. And um, it 152 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: is entirely possible. Actually, the the article I saw that 153 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: tried to explain that was from Jeremy Sue who wrote 154 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: for a Life science UM and he spoke with a 155 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: with the historian named Philip Scrasca, who was an archivist 156 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: at the Bernard Becker Medical Library at Washington University in St. Louis. 157 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: Or is those of us in competing schools column wash 158 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: you very good school, um, But basically, you know, we're 159 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: used to I'm used to thinking of the ones that 160 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: they used to see in pictures like Beethoven, where it's 161 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: a giant. It looks like you're holding the side of 162 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: a gramophone up to your head. You know that that 163 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: uh you're thinking of Pete Dragon where the character holds 164 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: the big Yeah, exactly exactly, but U and basically was 165 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: like it was like a funnel that you'd hold up 166 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: to your ear so maybe you could hear a little 167 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 1: bit better. And I think it did you know it 168 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: had some effect? Um no, no, it works. But but 169 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: apparently there were compact models and some people think that 170 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: it may have been a very small version. And really, 171 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: as a couple of commenters I saw online put it, 172 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: you wouldn't want to carry one of these big things 173 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: around with me you while you're walking. You want something 174 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: that's small and light and portable. So that is a 175 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: possible explanation. Well, and four years before that, premiere Semens 176 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: Yes produce the A handheld hearing aid essentially is what 177 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: it was. And um, yeah, they weren't the n ear 178 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: models that you see now which are all but invisible. Yeah. 179 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: It was actually was a microphone amplifier and you held 180 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: the amplifier side to your ear. The microphone side would 181 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: stay out facing the world, and that's you know, you 182 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: would hold it to your ear like the way we 183 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: do with cell phones. And they were about the same 184 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: size as cell phones are today, So it could and 185 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: and like I said, four years earlier those have been 186 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: introduced now they were expensive. But this is a lady 187 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: who's attending a film premiere in Hollywood. So clearly this 188 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 1: is someone who has at least some means, right, not 189 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: necessarily just not someone just walking on the street. She's 190 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: dressed up, she's ready to go to the theater um. 191 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: So it could very easily be someone who has one 192 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: of these hearing aids, and she may be talking in 193 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: a way of testing it, you know, trying to make 194 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: sure that it's working, like hello, Hello, to make sure 195 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: that she can hear before she interacts with anyone else, 196 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: or she's yammering to herself, which I do frequently so right, 197 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,599 Speaker 1: or as one other person I saw pointed out, so 198 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: it could be as simple as the fact that her 199 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: jaw ached and she was moving her jaw and she 200 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: had her hand up to her face and nothing was 201 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: in the hand. Because the George says that's there's clearly 202 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: something that's black inside her hand. Um, I don't see 203 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: that quite as clearly as George does. I mean, and 204 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: I was trying to be as objective as possible, because 205 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: as soon as someone tells you that something is in 206 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: a picture, it's really hard to not see it. Yeah, 207 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: somebody was trying to, uh, to show where the the 208 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: part of the ear trumpet would be where you put 209 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: it in your ear canal and going I just don't 210 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: see that in here. The same sort of thing that 211 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: where someone shows you a picture and said, do you 212 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: see the face that's in here? And you're like uh, 213 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: and then they point out the face and then you're like, oh, 214 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: there it is, and then you cannot never not see it. Right. 215 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 1: But if they were just to show you that picture 216 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: and say do you see anything in here, and you 217 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: might look for a while and saying no, I don't 218 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: see anything and there's nothing here. Um, well, so it 219 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: could have been uh, a hearing aid, could have been 220 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: nothing at all, could have been a little ear trumpet 221 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: of some sort. Um. I like. My favorite part of 222 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: the video, by the way, is when George says specifically, 223 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: it's not an AM FM radio because it's night Oh, well, 224 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: that makes sense. Clearly, it has to be a cell 225 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: phone because it's nineteen twenty eight, it's the same thing. 226 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: And and how does she get reception in nineteen twenty 227 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: eight with a cellphone when there are no cell phone towers? Yeah? 228 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: That that is the biggest argument I've seen against it. 229 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: There's some interdimensional temporal cellphone tower that she's connecting to. 230 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure you've seen the The people who want 231 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: to hold onto this their argument to that. If they've 232 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: are society that hasn't invented something as sophisticated as a 233 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: time machine, surely they could invent something with an antenna 234 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: for cell phone communication that they would stick on the 235 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: outside of the time machine. Okay, I wonder if these 236 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: people have ever heard of something called Acam's razor. What 237 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: makes more sense that this lady exists in that time 238 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: frame that's exactly when she's supposed to exist, because that's 239 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: you know, she was born during that era and she's 240 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: walking down the street holding an object that had been 241 00:13:55,240 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: built four years before was known to exist. Is it 242 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: more likely that that's the answer, or that there was 243 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: somehow someone developed time travel, traveled back in time use 244 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: this cell phone, and was not smart enough to stay 245 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: out of the range of a camera it's not like 246 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: the camera was even secret they were filming the premier. Why, Like, 247 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: if I'm a time traveler and I go back to 248 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: an era that exists before cell phones, I'm not whipping 249 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: the cell phone out at a very public event where 250 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: there are cameras around. Yeah, And that leads me to 251 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: my favorite of the debunking attempts. Uh. Apparently some video 252 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: producers will put things into footage in order to make 253 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: them like a a non uh, a non obvious water mark. 254 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: So for the way that maps will sometimes include a 255 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: street that doesn't actually exist in order to prove that 256 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: it's their I p yes. So what what some people 257 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: have suggested, and very few people I might add, was 258 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: that this is literally an anomaly. It's supposed to make 259 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: you notice it so that if somebody else copies the video, 260 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: you remember our privacy, our privacy piracy. We've had both 261 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: our piracy broadcast. If you're copying DVDs, they can say, yes, 262 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: you took this, because see this anomalous person carrying a 263 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: cell phone in was something that I added and made 264 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: black and white. I would think that just the fact 265 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: that they showed the same video proves that they copied 266 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: it because they had to get it from somewhere. That 267 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: argument makes no sense to me. I just like that argument. Right, 268 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: you could do so much better. You have disappointed me. 269 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: Go to your rooms now. Most most people seem to 270 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: be going with the semen's hearing any thing. So let's 271 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: go on to uh John Titor yes or t tourds 272 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: T I T O R. I never really was clear 273 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: on exactly how you're supposed to pronounce that name. Well, 274 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: apparently it's not his real name, and I say it 275 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: is because le because he's he theoretically exists now he 276 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: lives in Florida. Right, well, he existed then he was 277 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: two years old. But no, okay, let's let's start at 278 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: the beginning. November two, two thousand, there was a web 279 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: form called the Time Travel Institute. Yes, and a person 280 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: who referred to himself or herself, possibly as time Travel 281 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: Underscore zero posted started to post on this forum, and 282 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: then later Time Travel Underscores zero became John Titre or Titour. 283 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: However you're supposed to pronounce that j JT JT said 284 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: eventually that he had traveled from the year two thousand 285 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: thirty six back in time. This was actually technically his 286 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: second stop. His first stop was back in nineteen seventy six. 287 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: I want to say, um, sorry it was And uh. 288 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: The re then why he was traveling back in time 289 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: was in two thousand thirty six, they realized they were 290 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: really close to a big event that was going to 291 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: be a huge problem for their computer systems. That's, of 292 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: course talking about two thousand thirty eight, which is a 293 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: going to be an issue with Unix UM and uh, 294 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: we actually talked about that in a previous episode. We 295 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: don't need to go into that again, but at any rate, Uh. Apparently, 296 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: and by two thousand thirty six, the technology was lost 297 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: to interface with these systems and to correct the problem 298 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: that existed. So he was sent back in time to 299 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: to get an IBM computer because that would allow him 300 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: to go back to his original time of six and 301 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: use that computer to fix the problem so that by 302 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: eight everything would run smoothly. Yes, apparently, the the IBM 303 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: had some functions that weren't included in the original documentation 304 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: for the machine, but had some bearing on what it 305 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: is that he needed to solve. Yeah. In fact, some 306 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: of that is what people who believe that JT really 307 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: did come from the future say, Well, I mean, how 308 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: would he know that could do these things if he 309 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: weren't from the future and hadn't discovered it. And the 310 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: answer to that is, actually that information was really available. 311 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: It just wasn't in the manual. But but computer engineers 312 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: knew all about it. Yeah, so it wasn't like it's 313 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: a documented thing, right, it actually does exist? Yes, Yes, 314 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: the computer that JT was supposedly going back in time 315 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: to retrieve did exist. Um, is a real thing, and 316 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: it could do the things JT said it could do. Uh. 317 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: The the plart where the argument breaks down is some 318 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: people said that those were secret and therefore j T 319 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: must have been telling the truth. But that's not the case. 320 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: Those those features were not secret, They just weren't widely 321 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: known outside of computer science circles. So that just means 322 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: that j he could be a computer scientist when I 323 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: what JT said he really was was, uh, he was 324 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: an officer in the army or a soldier in the 325 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: army who had been part of this sort of time 326 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: travel core. And uh, I think there were eight or 327 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: seven people other people besides him in his time travel unit, 328 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: and each of the members had a time travel device 329 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: machine that would allow them to go to different points 330 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: of time, and they each had their own assignments. His 331 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: assignment was to go back and get this computer, and 332 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: he pointed out that he could spend as much time 333 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: as he wanted to in the past, because when he 334 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: would go back to his present, it would appear as 335 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 1: if he had only been gone for a couple of seconds, 336 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: right like the machine would disappear, and that would immediately 337 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: reappear as if no time it all had had taken place. 338 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: But in reality he had spent maybe years away, So 339 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: really the only indication would be his apparent age once 340 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: he stepped out of the time travel machine, which by 341 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: the way, was it was a car that had the 342 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: time travel actual device installed, and it had to be 343 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: a car that had a really heavy um suspension so 344 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: they could handle a lot of weight. It happened to 345 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: be in nineteen sixty seven Chevrolet Corvette. If you're gonna 346 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: travel man doing in style DeLorean. But yeah, I was 347 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: gonna say, I feel like I've heard this one before. 348 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: It was a convertible too. It wasn't just a Chevrolet Corvette, 349 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: was a convertible. And he said that the way this 350 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: time travel device worked was by manipulating gravity, and that 351 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: it would actually create two micro singularities, which are essentially 352 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: like black holes, so to miniature black holes, would spend 353 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: them around and it would alter gravity, and that through 354 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: creating this gravity lock system, it could travel through time 355 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: and in subsequent messages because j T he he wrote 356 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: stuff from late two thousand to early two thousand one. Yeah, 357 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: he actually held court for a while. He was answering 358 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: people's questions about time travel and what the future was, 359 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: like how easy it is to time travel, And that's 360 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: how we know so much about this. It's they're like, 361 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: we found him somewhere and there there there there are 362 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: websites out there that will list all of his posts chronologically. Um. Yeah, 363 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: so you can actually read the whole story, and it 364 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: is it's long. Yeah, he was prolific with his with 365 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: his uh forum posts and that goes that goes against 366 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: what you were saying about the person holding the cell 367 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: phone in the Charlie Chaplin video. I mean, if I 368 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: agree with you, if I were in possession of some 369 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: future technology and trying to pass as somebody who belonged here, 370 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to flaunt this. And he's going not 371 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: not even you know, just casually using this, you know, 372 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: future technology in a public place and and trying to 373 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: be ignored. He's actually flaunting it like this is what 374 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: I got here on pictures and and that raises a 375 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: lot of questions right there, like we're asking him, doesn't 376 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: this make you worried that when you go back you're 377 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: gonna get in trouble because you revealed yourself And he's like, 378 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: why would I get in trouble? He wouldn't answer the question. 379 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: There were certain questions that j T was very good 380 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: at evading, and that was one of them. He would 381 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: never directly answer that. He's just like, why would they 382 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: be mad? I don't know the fact that you revealed 383 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: all this information? And you know, there were also times 384 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: where he would suggest that, like he was, his message 385 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: was really weird, and that sometimes he was talking about 386 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: things like in a hope of preventing tragedy, he wanted 387 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: to express certain information, but but in another post, just 388 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: a little further down, he'd say, yeah, there's no way 389 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: to alter the future. So you have these contradictory statements 390 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: saying like, oh, I want to try and head off 391 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: this this huge disaster that's coming, and boy, you guys 392 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: are gonna be sorry when it happens. And then he'd say, 393 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: you know, there's no way to really avoid it because 394 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: time is not elastic like that. Right. Well, I understand 395 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: that he was a Now I admit I had never 396 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: heard of of JT before um, this particular episode. But um, 397 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, I understand though that he was a believer 398 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: in the many worlds theory. Yeah, the Everett Wheeler Graham 399 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: multiple world theory of quantum physics. Now, this theory in 400 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: general is you've probably heard about parallel dimensions. Yes, that's 401 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: essentially what this theory states is that there are an 402 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: infinite number of parallel dimensions, and that, uh, some of 403 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: these dimensions are almost almost identical to our own, right, 404 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: Like the differences between the two are very tiny, and 405 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: then of course the further away you get, the greater 406 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: the differences are. So you know, you could say, like, oh, well, 407 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: you know, you go five degrees of separation in the 408 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: South won the Civil War. You go ten degrees of 409 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: separation and humans never evolved, you know, and then you 410 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: go twenty and then Earth never even happened, Like, uh, 411 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: that that's a very simple way of putting this, you know, 412 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: and he actually said that he did not travel back 413 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: to his own time period of two thousand. He traveled 414 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: back to a parallel time period of two thousand UM. 415 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: And this was another thing that I found really confusing. 416 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: He said that he could travel huh, you know, using 417 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: the gravity thing. They would they would try and determine, uh, 418 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: the temporal divergence is what he called it, temporal divergence 419 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: being like how far away from his world line He 420 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: didn't use timeline, he called worldline um how far away 421 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: he would venture and he said, try to keep it 422 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: between one or two percent, and that you would be 423 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: similar enough to your own timeline that things would be 424 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: familiar to you and you could interact and you you know, 425 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: nothing would take you by surprise necessarily, Like there will 426 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: be minor differences, like someone might have won the World 427 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: Series in one reality and it would be the opposing 428 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: team in another reality, or maybe it was the same 429 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: team but I had totally different name and whatever, or 430 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: maybe it was a nice way to pass off, you know, 431 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: making predictions that don't come true. That's that was one 432 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: of the things that really bugged me because it was 433 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: one of those he wanted to be able to have 434 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: have it both ways, right. He wanted to be able 435 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: to say, Hey, this is what's going to happen to you, guys. Okay, 436 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 1: I'm telling you this is gonna happen in two thousand five. 437 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: This was one of his predictions. In two thousand five, 438 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: the United States is going to erupt in civil war, 439 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: which will eventually pull the rest of the world into 440 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: a conflict. And ultimately this would result in a nuclear 441 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: uh nuclear bomb exchange of you know, firing him at 442 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: each other between Russia and the United States and other 443 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: parts of the world, and then you would have this 444 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: new United States that would be five separate into five 445 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: major regions. And that was his reality, was that there 446 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: were these five major regions. Most of the other world 447 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: is pretty much whited out. Europe is gone, and China's gone, 448 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: and Russia's supposed is hurt really bad, and that the 449 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: entire social structure has changed dramatically because of that, as 450 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: you would imagine it would um and he would he 451 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: was saying like, this stuff is gonna happen to you, 452 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: but that's you know. He also would say like, oh, well, 453 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: I can't tell you who's gonna win the World Series, 454 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: because you know it might be different from when when 455 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: it happened in my worldline, it's not gonna be the 456 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: same for yours. Well, how how can you determine which 457 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: events are definitely gonna happen and which events are not 458 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: going to necessarily happen the way you remember them from 459 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: your world line? There was never any differentiation between those two. 460 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: There are other problems as well. Um. For one, in 461 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: two thousand five, we did not interrupt into civil war, 462 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: so that suggested that claim was rather inaccurate. Let's say, 463 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: at least, um, he didn't predict anything like you would think, 464 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: all right, it's two thousand when he appeared, and he 465 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: disappeared by March two thousand one, and uh, and actually 466 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: wrote a farewell post in March of two thousand one. 467 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: There was another major event in the United States that 468 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: happened in two thousand one, the World Trade Center tragedy, 469 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: the terrorist attack. He never mentioned that at all, And 470 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: you would think, like, this was something that really shook 471 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: America up and to some extent the rest of the 472 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: world as well, but really America, no mention of that 473 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: at all in his posts. You would think that that 474 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: would be you know, even even a vague mentioned saying 475 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: there's going to be a terrorist attack that happens this 476 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: year that's going to do No, that would be the thing, like, 477 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: that's going to be the domino effect that will set 478 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: the rest of these things in motion. But he didn't 479 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: say that. So he did say some other things that 480 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: did eventually come true, though, such as, yeah, yeah, he 481 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: was only off by about nine years on that one. Yes, 482 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: but they did imagine they did man do that. He 483 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: said that the certain facility, which by that I assume 484 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: he meant the Large Hadron Collider, would go online in 485 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: two thousand one. As you know, that was a little 486 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: optimistic cerns. LHC did not go online until really it 487 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: started going online around two thousand nine, and then kind 488 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: of kicked into gear in two thousand ten once birds 489 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: stopped dropping bread into it. I was going to say, 490 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: if it weren't for that bird, um, but yeah, the 491 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: the last Olympics being in two thousand four, Yeah, he 492 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: was wrong about that one. Wrong. Now there's one statement 493 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: that a lot of people point to as saying like, oh, 494 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: well this is what about this? What about mad cow disease? 495 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: Because one thing that JT said was that he was 496 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: scared of eating in the current time frame, because he 497 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: knew that there were UM the the the way that 498 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: ranchers were raising cattle and where we were getting food 499 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: and all that we're from unsafe sources, and he didn't 500 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: trust them. And he thought that people were crazy for um, 501 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: for eating the food, you know, without question. And he 502 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: was saying that it was going to lead to this 503 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: outbreak of UM what essentially ends up being mad cow disease, 504 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: which happens, of course, you know, you may have heard 505 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: about it when UM animals are fed feed that contained 506 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: the dead of their own species, like that can. That's 507 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: one way that gets transferred or transmitted, and then you 508 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: can catch it that way by eating tainted food UM. 509 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: And he talked about that a lot and uh. And 510 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: so people said, well, you know, later on, the mad 511 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: cow outbreak actually happened. You know, it actually happened while 512 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: he was still posting UM. And isn't that proof that 513 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: he at least had some form of being able to, 514 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, to to see into the future. Not exactly UM. 515 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: The disease he was specifically talking about was quite spelt 516 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: Jacob disease or c j D, and it was already 517 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: well known by two thousand. In fact, it was first 518 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: identified or it was first observed in nine four. I 519 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: was accepted as a new disease in nine six. Uh. 520 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: When I say accepted, I'm talking specifically about mad cow disease, 521 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: which is a kind of a variant on c j D. 522 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,719 Speaker 1: C j D we knew about well before. So anyway, anyway, 523 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: by six we knew about mad cow disease. That's not 524 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: what we called it necessarily, and it was called a 525 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: v c j D, which is a variant of kreitz 526 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: Felt Yakob disease. So in other words, this was not 527 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: a secret. It's not like he was giving us information 528 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: that we didn't already have access to. He was saying 529 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: that it was more important than what people believed, and 530 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: then it turned out that he was right. But we 531 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: already we you know, we had already known about this 532 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 1: for almost two decades. So I don't really come that. 533 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: Are that great evidence to support the JT was actually 534 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: from the future. Yeah, there, there's more evidence to the 535 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: contrary than there is for him. I fear. Yeah, the 536 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: there people would have like very serious questions about the 537 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: time travel techniques that he talked about, because some of 538 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: it was based upon theoretical physics and uh, and so 539 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: there there are theoretical physicists out there. Actually they're the 540 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: physicists are real, but the science, the science is theoretical. 541 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: So sore, there are these these physicists out there who 542 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: do think that there may be a way of being 543 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: creating these shortcuts through time or between dimensions or whatever 544 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: using similar methods to what JT was saying. But when 545 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: people would ask specifics, he would say, I'm not a physicist, 546 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: so I can't really answer that question, which was weird 547 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: because he could answer some physics questions in detail, and 548 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: you think, wow, that's remarkable because he said that he 549 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: was he grew up in central Florida, um that he 550 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: had essentially joined the army by age fourteen, that he 551 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: was either homeschooled or went to some university that had 552 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: been turned into a fort in Florida. So you wonder 553 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: where did you learn the basics of the physics stuff 554 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: you're talking about here that that are I mean, these 555 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: are complicated quantum physics, uh concepts, and yet you you know, 556 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: you can answer some of them very well and the 557 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: others you can't answer at all. It's kind of strange 558 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: and I also wondered, how could he if if when 559 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: you're traveling through time and it's all dependent upon gravity 560 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: and you can only get the percentage to around one 561 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: or two percent, that you're going to go to um 562 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: are or you're going to a dimension that's gonna be 563 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: only one or two percent degrees difference from your own, 564 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: how do you get back? Like, how do you how 565 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: do you travel back so you're at your back and 566 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: in what is legitimately your own world line. Yeah, he 567 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: wasn't very good at answering that. Also. Another question I 568 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: had was if if it's using gravity, like supposedly the 569 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: device was measuring gravity around it traveling through time but 570 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: not space, right, right? Yeah, they that's the difference in 571 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: the DeLorean in the Corvette. In this case, the Corvette 572 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: is basically just a shell. It's something for him to 573 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: sit in. Well, then it happened, Well, the Dolorean also 574 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: would travel through time but not space. It's just that, uh, 575 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: it is traveling through space, but it's not It's not 576 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: like you could travel in time from California and then 577 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: appear in Paris, right, you would go from California to California, 578 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: would just be a different type right, Yes, the tartist 579 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: can doctor who's tartists can travel through both time and space. 580 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: This thing could supposedly travel only through time, not space. 581 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: So the question people had was, wait a minute, how 582 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: is that even possible? Because the Earth isn't gonna be 583 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: where it was when you traveled, Like you hit start 584 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: and you're traveling back thirty years. Well, the Earth has 585 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: is not in the same position as it was, you 586 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: know when you left, so you would be appearing in 587 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: the middle of space. Nothing nothing there if if it 588 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: doesn't travel through space and only travels through time, and 589 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: he said, that's a great question by so it would 590 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: have been really good to get involved in that discussion. 591 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: I gotta go that was you know anyway. So my 592 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: my vote is that JT was a hoax, that the 593 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: person who was perpetuating the hoax did know at least, 594 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, had a ground interest in quantum physics more 595 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: than a ground interest in computer science. I would say 596 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: that the person who posted this probably was a computer 597 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: scientist um, and that they also had some social commentary 598 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: that this person probably legitimately believed in. And this was 599 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: this was like things like you guys got to be 600 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: more vigilant about protecting the constitution, don't eat meat, that's 601 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 1: you know, be careful about the where your food comes from. 602 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: And like the warnings he were getting that he gave 603 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 1: were um, good warnings. It's just that everything was fabricated, right, 604 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: And like I said, the big predictions haven't panned out, 605 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: which kind of proves that. Now you could argue, well, 606 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: in his parallel time, they did pan out that way, 607 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: but that then you're just using an unfalsifiable argument, which 608 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: is ridiculous. You can't. That's not a debate, that's just 609 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: a way of making me go crazy. We all enjoy this. 610 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: Then I read an article on of all places, tour 611 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: dot com, which is really awesome for science fiction your fantasy. 612 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: By the way, many of you probably know that he 613 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 1: is our The website is uh decided for a major 614 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: science fiction fantasy publisher actually science fiction infinite. Yeah anyway, um, 615 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: speculative fiction published there we go. I was trying to 616 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: remember if they do both or if they split between 617 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: tournforge anyway. Uh. Pablo Stefanini wrote a blog post in 618 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: two thousand eight basically saying, Hey, the Olympics are over. 619 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: I guess he was wrong. Um, that was the basic 620 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: gist of it, but I mean that that really no, 621 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: that's how he got started and went into a lot 622 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: of things including, uh, he mentioned Mike Lynch. Did you here. 623 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: I haven't come across Mike Lynch. He's a private investigator. 624 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: An Italian TV show hired him. I think I did. 625 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: And they found the name of a lawyer named Larry Haber. 626 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: Uh has a brother who has a brother, John Rick Haber, 627 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: who has a computer expert and basically, uh, they came 628 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,959 Speaker 1: to the conclusion, or at least suggested that these two, 629 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: the Haber brothers, may have actually come up with this 630 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 1: as a hoax. Um basically uh um, possibly as a 631 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: means for an entertainment deal of some kind, because there 632 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: have been uh subsequent books and things about JT. And 633 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: somebody pointed out that, uh, Larry Haber lives in Celebration, Florida, 634 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: which is a Disney community. I think that's probably coincidence. 635 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,760 Speaker 1: But it's another thing that the Walt Disney is frozen 636 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: underneath his house, right and they're going to revive him 637 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: and be healthy. No, he's just he's always just frozen. Okay, 638 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: I suppose that's possible. I don't think that's true. Either 639 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: it's not true based on the factual stuff I've read, 640 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: but you know, I wasn't there to witness it, so 641 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: I can't confirm that. No. Um, so they this this 642 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: private investigator concluded that the whole thing was made up 643 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: by these guys. But uh, there's still this, this thing 644 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,399 Speaker 1: keeps going around the internet as these things are wont 645 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, and they're more. I mean, I saw 646 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 1: one today about a guy who supposedly encountered his seventy 647 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: year old self, like a guy in his in his thirties, 648 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: while he was fixing the sink of all things. Uh, 649 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: ended up meeting his seventy year old version of himself. 650 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: And then they took a video using the guy's cell phone. 651 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: And in the video you see these two guys, these 652 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 1: these two bald guys standing out a Swedish fellow, uh, 653 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 1: standing out in the field. The sun is behind them, 654 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: so the light sources behind them, so you can't make 655 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 1: out details really well. And both of them show their 656 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,839 Speaker 1: their right arms and they have identical tattoos. I did 657 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: it immediately raised questions for me. Light sources behind them, 658 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: so you can't make out details very well. That suggests 659 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: that this might not be on the up and up. 660 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 1: I mean, why put the light source behind you if 661 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: you want to get proof of this. The tattoo on 662 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 1: the older guy's arm, the seventy year old version looked 663 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: just as fresh, if not fresher, than the young guys 664 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: tattoo also raises some I happen to have a pair 665 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: of tattoos, folks, and I can tell you over time 666 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: they fade. And I don't imagine a seventy year old 667 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: going out and saying, you know what, I need to 668 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: get my ink refreshed. Um. So I'm just saying that 669 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: these time travel jokes and hoaxes and things are probably 670 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,800 Speaker 1: gonna keep ongoing as people find more and more clever 671 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: ways of incorporating them. And of course, things like photo 672 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: editing software and video editing software are getting cheaper and 673 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: easier to use every year. So I would not be 674 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,720 Speaker 1: surprised to see some incredibly convincing yet still completely fictional 675 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: time travel stories in the in the future on the web. Yeah, 676 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: even though uh, Einstein's theory of relativity does not rule 677 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: out time travel apparently, not that I understand it very 678 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: very well, um, but from what I understand the the 679 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: physics behind JTS machine are unlikely to work well. Just 680 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: the whole manipulating gravity thing at the very beginning makes 681 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,919 Speaker 1: it difficult to I said, the energy it would take 682 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: to make that work would be at least at least 683 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: to nineteen sixty seven Chevrolet corvettes. Um. Actually what I 684 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: saw was in MRS Yeah, a Mr Fusion UM. But 685 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: the other thing is that apparently it's considered that a 686 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: time machine cannot travel past the date of its own creation. 687 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,720 Speaker 1: So if it was actually built in and two thousand 688 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: thirty four, one wonders if the parallel makes up for 689 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,359 Speaker 1: that though, because that's why he said the grandfather father 690 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: paradox didn't apply, was because he was not in his 691 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: own timeline. He was in a parallel timeline. I think 692 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 1: he's cheating. So he could go and kill himself if 693 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: he wanted to, because he was two years old when 694 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,439 Speaker 1: he like his his his quote unquote real self would 695 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,399 Speaker 1: be too. He could have technically killed himself and still 696 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: been fine because it was a parallel universe, not his own. Um. Yeah, 697 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: that's how he gets around a lot of those things. 698 00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: I yeah, I called shenanigans. If you if you second 699 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: my Shenanigans, Go get a broom and we will storm 700 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: the castle. 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