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Speaker 1: Bizarre and Alex bar and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 1: Joined as always, here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 3: I think it's all about depth, which, oh, the Celtics

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Speaker 3: don't have it off depth, that's your concern. You're being ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: It's the NBA. I wonder who has giving me that

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Speaker 3: take for months. Depth is gonna win the Celtics and NBA.

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Speaker 2: Fun, Depth is gonna win that. You were the one

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Speaker 2: that was concerned that they didn't have depth. Right now

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Speaker 2: you're saying they're gonna win the finals because they do

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Speaker 2: have depth, and you're giving me a hard time about that.

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Speaker 3: I told you you told me depth doesn't matter in

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Speaker 3: the NBA.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 2: I did not tell you that. I told you that

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Speaker 2: their third center was not gonna.

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Speaker 3: I also thought they were gonna play I thought they

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Speaker 3: were gonna play the Nuggets. So it's a completely different

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Speaker 3: conversation if they ended up playing the Nuggts. See now

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Speaker 3: we're changing, We're moving the goalposts, We're changing the argument. Now,

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Speaker 3: that's pretty typical of you to to just move the

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Speaker 3: goal posts. You know, Oh, I thought they were going

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Speaker 3: to play Denver. I've been telling you that they were

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Speaker 3: going to play. He texted me the other day out

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Speaker 3: the Third Center. You're like, man, I really wish they

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Speaker 3: had a better Third Center. I did not say that

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Speaker 3: you did. You did? I did not say he did

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Speaker 3: so many words?

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Speaker 5: You did?

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Speaker 3: You did? You know what you texted me. I'm not

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Speaker 3: gonna put anybody on blast, but you did well.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, we'll get to we'll get to a Celtics

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Speaker 2: mint at the end of the show. But there's too

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Speaker 2: Bars with you here for the next couple of hours

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Speaker 2: Patriots Cash twenty two. We are going to be more

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Speaker 2: Midi camp heavy than Unfiltered was. We just spent two

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Speaker 2: hours reminiscing or whatever is it. Can you say reminiscing

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Speaker 2: when it just happened last night. I don't know a

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Speaker 2: reliving Yeah, that's a better word for it, reliving Brady Knight.

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Speaker 2: We are gonna talk about Brady Night here off the

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Speaker 2: top and each give our take, but we will and

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Speaker 2: get back into the current team a little bit more

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Speaker 2: than PU did, and talk a little bit more about

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Speaker 2: Mini Camp since it's our only show this week with

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Speaker 2: the two days of Mini Camp practices. But first and foremost, Alex,

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Speaker 2: I did want to get your thoughts and feelings on

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Speaker 2: Brady Night. And I think the point the last point

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Speaker 2: so I don't need to make any more. The last

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Speaker 2: I will fully admit full disclosure. I come on here

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Speaker 2: and I act a little bit more excited about things

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Speaker 2: because of who signs my paycheck, right, Like, you just

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Speaker 2: And this event, I was a little bit worried about

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Speaker 2: it was an outstanding night to be a Patriots fan

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Speaker 2: and it was one that I will never forget. And

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Speaker 2: the last thing I'll say, the fact that this place

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Speaker 2: for a game, yeah, not for an AFC championship game,

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Speaker 2: not for Week one, not for any other reason, but

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm one hundred percent with you, Tom Brady said

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Speaker 3: many highlights of the night. Jay Z was so cool.

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Speaker 3: But then Brady's speech, for a number of reasons, really

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Speaker 3: But at one point during that speech, he said, this

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Speaker 3: Because I fell in love with football through those teams,

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Speaker 3: And I just think that's what an event like that

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Speaker 3: And he's like, you know, everybody should play football because

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Speaker 3: after that, you know, I'm Tom Brady, I'm a patriot. Boom,

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Speaker 3: beautiful day, shut it down. Uh yeah, no notes, no notes?

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. Yeah, No notes is

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Speaker 2: The lasting impression too of this that I'll take away

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Speaker 2: His name was the one that was at the top

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Speaker 2: that last night, and that that you cannot replace that.

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Speaker 3: Well, so let me say this though, Bill's got to

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Speaker 2: So we talked about that a little bit on PU

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Speaker 2: I do Bill deserves everything that he's gonna get, There's

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Speaker 2: I don't know if Bill, and this is no slight

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Speaker 2: It's a little different when it's a player versus a coach.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it lands the same if it's

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Speaker 2: for Bill. I don't know. If there's sixty five thousand

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Speaker 2: percent of them are on the move or outside the

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Speaker 2: pocket or extending plays with his legs and then making

436
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 2: throws on the run. The throw against was it I

437
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 2: can't remember if his Clemson or NC State where he's

438
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 2: backpedaling towards the sideline into the sideline because the blitz

439
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 2: is coming from the field and he just throws it

440
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 2: off his back foot forty yards on a rope to

441
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Speaker 2: the receiver down the field for a touchdown. We don't

442
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 2: see those types of plays in mini camp or even

443
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Speaker 2: training camp because that's not how they want up to

444
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 2: play in practice. But when you get into games, and

445
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,439
Speaker 2: we might be able to see this a little bit

446
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 2: more in the preseason games. When you get into games,

447
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 2: those elements are going to add in. And what I'm

448
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 2: getting at when I watch Jacob Brisett in practice, I

449
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 2: see that everything is going to have to look like

450
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 2: it did in the meeting room for it all to

451
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,360
Speaker 2: come together for him to be consistently moving the football.

452
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 2: It's gonna have to be on time, in rhythm from

453
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Speaker 2: the pocket. The receiver is gonna have to win on

454
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 2: the route, the scheme is gonna have to work, the

455
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 2: offensive line's gonna have to hold up, and it's gonna

456
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 2: have to be we talk about early on in the

457
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: spring program, they do perfect plays just against air right

458
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 2: where they're just running against plays against air. For Jacob

459
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: Briset to consistently move the football, they're gonna have to

460
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,199
Speaker 2: make perfect plays where all eleven guys are doing what

461
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 2: they need to be doing seven, eight, nine time times

462
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 2: to get down the field. With Drake May, what you

463
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: see is that ability to potentially elevate some of the

464
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 2: things that are going on around him. And for a

465
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 2: team that's gonna have a deficient offensive line at times

466
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 2: and isn't gonna have that star studied wide receiver class

467
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: either or core I should say, he's gonna have that

468
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 2: ability to then go make something happen, and that I

469
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: think is something this offense is gonna need if they're

470
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Speaker 2: gonna be a good offense this year. What I worry

471
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Speaker 2: about when I watched Dakobe Risaid is sort of what

472
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 2: we watched the last couple of years with Mac Jones

473
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 2: and Bailey Zappi, where they when it all works perfectly,

474
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 2: they can make a play happen, but it's if there's

475
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 2: any sort of wobbly ness from the jaying, you know, tower,

476
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: it's all gonna come crumbling down, whether that's a block

477
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: mist or a receiver is not getting open or whatever

478
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 2: the case may be. And Drake may is the guy

479
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Speaker 2: that I feel like can make something out of nothing

480
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: and that's gonna be a huge element of their offense.

481
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: So I don't think that Jacoby Risset has been bad

482
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: just looking at him specifically, I don't think it's that

483
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 2: he's been terrible, but he is. He's somebody that you

484
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: can clearly tell is is a system oriented guy where

485
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 2: it's gonna have to be the rest of it that's

486
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: doing the heavy lifting, and he's just gonna kind of

487
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 2: be able to distribute the football. What have your impressions

488
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 2: been at Jacob brissetid in camp?

489
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Speaker 3: I mean kind of what you said, like, I think

490
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: he's been solid. I think he's definitely grown a lot

491
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Speaker 3: since the first time he was here, and I feel

492
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Speaker 3: like he's a guy that it's it's not going to

493
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 3: be a mess. It's not gonna be a disaster with

494
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Speaker 3: him out there. He's not going to be a mess.

495
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Speaker 3: He's not gonna be a disaster. He'll be able to

496
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Speaker 3: if you give him opportunities take the plays that are there.

497
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Speaker 3: I don't know how much more than that he's doing,

498
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Speaker 3: but he's a bridge quarterback, that's what he's here for.

499
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Speaker 3: So you know, I think he's thrown the ball well

500
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Speaker 3: in the spring, but let's see what happens when there's pressure.

501
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,239
Speaker 3: Let's see what's happened when there's contact. But like I

502
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 3: have no doubt that, you know, if they need him

503
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 3: to start four games, it's you're going to be able

504
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: to evaluate and develop the other offensive players on the

505
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 3: field with him at quarterback. It's not gonna be an

506
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 3: issue where the quarterback plays so sloppy. You don't get

507
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 3: a real look at guys like Jalen Polk and Javon Baker,

508
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 3: you don't get a real look at a guy like

509
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: Kanen Wallace because the quarterback's just not able to drive

510
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: the car. I think Brissette will be able to do

511
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 3: that and from a bridge quarterback, that's really all you need.

512
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fair point, and I think that's the

513
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: perfect way to put it, because I'm not trying to

514
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: sit here and say that Jacoby Brissett's been awful or

515
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: anything like.

516
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 3: No, he's been fine. He's been fine. And the first

517
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: couple of weeks it's really going to be about can

518
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 3: you get some because you want both Polk and Baker

519
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 3: and even Pop Douglas, the second year guy. Right. You

520
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 3: want these guys to be able to get their opportunities, yeah,

521
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: and you just want to make sure you have a

522
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Speaker 3: quarterback that can give them that. And I think Jacobe

523
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Speaker 3: Burssett at the least can do that.

524
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Speaker 2: I have concerns about him being able to do it,

525
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 2: honestly because of the offensive.

526
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Speaker 3: Line plays well no, okay, so I mean like in

527
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: a bubble he can do it.

528
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, But that's sort of my point is that the

529
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: line's gonna have to hold up and the receivers are

530
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 2: gonna have to do their thing, and then it's really

531
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Speaker 2: gonna just be Jacoby Brissett is you know, not to

532
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: simplify it too too much, but it's really gonna be

533
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: like Jacoby Brissett is pressing the button on the controller. Right,

534
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be that Jacoby Brissett is the controller.

535
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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. But for a bridge quarterback, that's

536
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: all you need.

537
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Speaker 2: Sure. But that's where I really feel like, if we're

538
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Speaker 2: gonna have any sort of semblance of a football season

539
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: come the fall, and they're gonna be any sort of competitive, yeah,

540
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: to be honest, it's that's not gonna be competitive.

541
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Speaker 3: But you can't, Like you just said, the offensive line

542
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 3: could be a complete mess, and I will give up

543
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 3: them being a little less competitive in September twenty twenty

544
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 3: four if it means they're a better team for it

545
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 3: down the road in twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven

546
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 3: to twenty eight, and hopefully beyond that.

547
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Speaker 2: I just wonder if we're at the point where what

548
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: I guess, I don't know. If we're at the point

549
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 2: now is probably the wrong way to put it, But

550
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 2: I wonder if we get to the point where it's

551
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: not this is gonna be expedited, you know what I'm saying,

552
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 2: Like Drake May is gonna come in here, and I'm

553
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: not saying it's gonna be full on Houston Texans mode

554
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: or something like that. But maybe it's gonna be a

555
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: B plus version of that.

556
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think it will be because

557
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: I don't think the offensive line will give May a

558
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 3: chance to show truly what he can do. What the

559
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: offensive line is gonna look like right away. Maybe you

560
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 3: get to that point. We spent a while on this

561
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 3: last week, Evan, I'm sticking to this. You need to

562
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: know who your best five are before Drake May starts.

563
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 3: You cannot have Drake May start.

564
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Speaker 2: With that because I believe they know who their best

565
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 2: five is and they're just begrudgingly accepting it.

566
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, look if they haven't figured out for week one, great,

567
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 3: that's really hard to do, just because of the way

568
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 3: these practices work and the lack of contact and all that.

569
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 3: Maybe they drill him a ton in the preseason, which

570
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 3: would make some sense. But I the one I keep

571
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 3: going back to is it's Week five and we're all

572
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: sitting there tweeting out this will be the fifth day

573
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 3: for an offensive line. Drake May's played behind in five starts.

574
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 2: I'm not so many people I feel like think I'm

575
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: rushing him on the field. I'm not.

576
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: You are a little bit.

577
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: I'm not, though, yeah you are. I just think he's

578
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: that good. I really do. I've thought he's that good

579
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: since January. So this is not this is not a

580
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 2: rose colored glasses Patriots view, no of comment. I just

581
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: look at it and say all of these things that

582
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: we're concerned about the offensive line, the lack of receiver talent,

583
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff. You could make these arguments

584
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: for a lot of teams over the year that had

585
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 2: better that the quarterback comes in and it all looks

586
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: a little bit.

587
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,959
Speaker 3: How many of those teams were, I mean, not just

588
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: last in the league, but among the worst the last

589
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: decade in terms of pass blocking.

590
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: Houston's offensive line is not as good as everybody thought

591
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: it was.

592
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: I agree with you, but it's better than what the

593
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 3: Patriots had last year.

594
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: I don't because of Lermie Tunzel. Yeah, okay, Well, the

595
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: Patriots have have mike On Winnie, who's a pretty damn

596
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: good player right tackle.

597
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: They're left tackles converted right time.

598
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: Okay, But I just at some point, at some point,

599
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: it's not all going to be perfect.

600
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: It's not all going to be but it can't be

601
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 3: literally wasting time. It can't be literally the worst.

602
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: Okay. I just don't think it's going to be that bad.

603
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: I especially don't think it's I don't think it's going

604
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: to be that bad. He's a playmaker back there that's

605
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: actually making things happen.

606
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be that bad all year.

607
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 3: I think it could be that bad. To start.

608
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: We argue about this all the time. I just I

609
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: personally feel like you're wasting time. You're wasting time for

610
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: out of fear, literally out of fear. No at a

611
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: discipline I feel I think it's fear. No, it's discipline,

612
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: it's disciplined. Don't subject a guy to something that has

613
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: been proven good enough to fix it, Alex, like, what

614
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: what if? He's what if? Did you think that Tank

615
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: Dell and and Nico Collins were anything before last year? Like,

616
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: Tank Dell's a rookie. I liked Tank Dell you we

617
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: all liked him, But did you think think that he

618
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: was gonna be what he was? Nico Collins was an afterthought.

619
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Speaker 2: Nico Collins was a nobody until CJ. Strouds showed up

620
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: in Houston. Now he's like a twenty million dollar receiver.

621
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: I just at some point in time by it's it's

622
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: out of fear and it's dragging your feet on a

623
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: decision that's obvious to everybody that's watching it.

624
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 3: By the way, Houston, last year, you're gonna make me

625
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 3: use analytics. I can't believe you're doing this. PFF pass

626
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: block efficiency Houston was twelve.

627
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: Okay, but the quarterback controls that. That's what I everything

628
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: not entirely. Every single analytical stat that you can mean

629
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: that you can look up will tell you this. The

630
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: quarterback sacks are a quarterback driven stat. There's no doubt

631
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: about that, no doubt a quarterback driven stat. Sacks are

632
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: directly controlled on how quick much the quarterback holds the ball,

633
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: his pocket maneuvering, his ability to get the football out,

634
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 2: and his ability to keep himself a.

635
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: Pass block win rate. How much is that about the quarterback?

636
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: Again?

637
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: Thirty second?

638
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: All of this is controlled. First of all, I think

639
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: it's hilarious that you're trying to throw numbers at me

640
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: of all people like this is very much a role

641
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: reversal here. But all this kind of stuff, I'm telling you,

642
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: you look at the quarterback play of the teams that

643
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: are at the bottom of pass block win ray and

644
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: pass blocking efficiency and all that kind of stuff. It's

645
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: deterrent of the quarterback. Was it like probably the Patriots,

646
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: the Bears, right, like the teams that had quarterbacks that

647
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 2: were not helping out the situation or that were mobile

648
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: quarterbacks like justin Fields who held the ball right?

649
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 3: You know who was second last pass block win right?

650
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: Who?

651
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: Miami Dolphins? Yes, Now I worry about that stat because

652
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: now it doesn't fit your agendas, doesn't fit the EYEEP.

653
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence.

654
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, a quarterback that's had some issues with that for sure.

655
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously i'm skipping here. Some of the player

656
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: we can we can hear. I'm not saying Drake May

657
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 3: is not talented.

658
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: You're not saying that you're you're just wasting time.

659
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: No, we're always I've seen very talented quarterbacks get drafted

660
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 3: and put behind siev offensive way they never recover.

661
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: This is this. Everybody keeps telling me this that so

662
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: many great talented quarterbacks were behind bad offensive lines and

663
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: and their careers are ruined or they sucked her. Name them,

664
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: name me the talented quarterbacks. You're gonna go David Carr.

665
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: Do you think David Carr was going to be special?

666
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: I mean, like he's not.

667
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: We did this two weeks ago. We don't know what

668
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: his career is going to be. But Anthony Richardson was

669
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: this big mobile guy to get away and he got hurt.

670
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: Let's go back to you see this is where But

671
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: it's hard to explain this take because I'm naming bad

672
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 3: quarterbacks and the.

673
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: Bad maybe they were just bad.

674
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: But you watched them because you watch them in college

675
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: and you see they have ability.

676
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: Every quarter back that gets drafted into the league has ability.

677
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: Mac Jones had ability.

678
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 3: No, No, there are legitimate name.

679
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: There are name of the guys that were that were

680
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: in the league that and Andrew Luck doesn't count because

681
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: Andrew Luck was a Hall of Famer for six years

682
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: in the league. Right, I'm talking about guys that stunk up.

683
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: You're gonna make me say it. Josh Rosen, O Josh

684
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 3: Josh Rose was incredibly the Josh Rosen that had a

685
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: hot tub in his dorm room and it was like,

686
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: come on, Josh Rosen was never gonna be good in

687
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: the league. We will never know because the Cardinals put

688
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: in behind what was I think at the time like

689
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: the worst offensive line in like twenty five years.

690
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: So one year being behind that office.

691
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 3: If you watched, there's there's videos you can watch where

692
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: you watch them at the beginning of that season, you

693
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: watch them at the end, and the footwork the release

694
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: can do with completely different.

695
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: The same thing with Mac Jock. And when it happened

696
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: they put everybody keeps on telling yelling at me that

697
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: Mac Jones just stinks.

698
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: So I just but again, if you see that name

699
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: and you set people off, but mac Jones, you look

700
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: at what happened when they put him behind again the

701
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: thirty second rank. And I know you're gonna say, well,

702
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: Drake May is better equipped for it, he's more mobile.

703
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: But to an extent, that's to an extent, I'm not

704
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: sitting here saying the offensive line has to be perfect.

705
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here saying you can give me a list

706
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: of quarterback because I and it's not just you're just

707
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: gonna tell me they're all bad quarterbacks. But it's not

708
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: just you, because I just hear this all the time.

709
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 2: Oh it breaks so many quarterbacks, because that would have

710
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: been great, that would have been Hall of famers.

711
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: This is what the bad teams do. This is what

712
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 3: the Jets do. This is what the Bears.

713
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: Maybe they just missed, maybe they just missed on the evaluation,

714
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: maybe that was part of it.

715
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: But they would put those quarterbacks back there, yes, where

716
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: they couldn't be protected, and let defenses tee off on them,

717
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: and then they'd wonder why they were sped up in panicky. Okay, again,

718
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 3: it's not gonna be perfect.

719
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: If Harrison Fields was gonna be this all time great

720
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: if you if you had a better situation around.

721
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 3: Part of I don't know about all the time great, but

722
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: it might have worked out better. Part of the look

723
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 3: at what happened last year. He actually put together decent

724
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: season when they actually and nobody wanted, built a semblance

725
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 3: of an honorary nobody wants because he's three years in

726
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 3: at this point. But like Drake May, part of the

727
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 3: value in Drake May is, yes, he has an ability

728
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: to mitigate some pass protection issues, and that is part

729
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: of the value. What he can't mitigate is what was

730
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 3: it last year, like two point two to throw or something.

731
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 3: There are certain things he needs enough time to literally

732
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: throw the ball. It's one thing that is I don't

733
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 3: think it's going to be that bad. I don't think

734
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: it's going to be that bad. And the main they

735
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 3: were they were last that was last year. And who

736
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: do they add different people here? So we go back

737
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: to again, we've done this this, We're into this all

738
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 3: summer and and and Scott Peters is going to turn

739
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: it around because the system makes the offensive line irrelevant,

740
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 3: all right, I mean, we'll see, we'll see. I'm just

741
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: saying I think it's a little short sighted. Because the

742
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: other thing is if it is really bad. Let's say

743
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: it is really bad, but you've put him out there

744
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 3: and you realize this is we're not ready. You can't

745
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: bench him once. He's your starter. He's your starter, Okay,

746
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: I'd rather out.

747
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: To play him week one against the Bengals. That's not

748
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 2: what I'm doing. No, what I'm doing is I'm telling

749
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: you that all like these these notions, these arguments about

750
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 2: the supporting cast and the line and all this kind

751
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: of stuff, when the quarterback has it, yeah and he's good,

752
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 2: these things start to look better than they actually are

753
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: because he's that. He's that dude. He's the one that's

754
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: elevating all.

755
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 3: But some guys need to You're not always that on

756
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: day one.

757
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: I always love that point that way, that with mac Jones,

758
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: that he was going to have to have good protection, sure,

759
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: and who's gonna have to have guys around him.

760
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: I just don't feel that was a completely different roster

761
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: building philosophy. But you're not always like just confidence is fragile.

762
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: That's why I'm saying, if you just get it to

763
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: Drake Mayward's me, I'm gonna.

764
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: Give you some homework. I want you to go look back,

765
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: and I want you to tell me who were the

766
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 2: guys that you truly believed in? Because this is again

767
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: it's not just I'm not just coming I'm not just

768
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: coming at you about this.

769
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: This.

770
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: I hear this so much that all these the history

771
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: tells us and all these courts. You know, out of

772
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: the top ten passers that in QBR last year, how

773
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: many of them started as rookies.

774
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he can't start as I'm.

775
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: Just asking you a question. How many do you think

776
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: of them started as rookies?

777
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 3: Top ten in QBR? Yes, I mean does Mahomes starting

778
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: week seventeen? Count No?

779
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 4: Uh?

780
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: Probably six or seven?

781
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: Seven? Seven of them started as rookies one of them,

782
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 2: one of them, all of them. One of them is

783
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: not top three? No, not not in regular season? Remember there?

784
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: Their team wasn't that good? Uh? Mahomes, Jordan Love and

785
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins are the other three guys, which all have

786
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: extenuating circumstances to talk about in context. Lamar MVP of

787
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: the league rookie starting But Josh Allen, hang on, no no.

788
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: No no no no no no no no no.

789
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: Hang on, hang on what when did Lamar Jackson start

790
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 3: start the last seven games in the playoff game?

791
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: Right, that's all I'm saying.

792
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 3: Okay, Like it's literally all I'm saying. All right, so

793
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: we're doing this thing again. Like, yeah, I'm with you.

794
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 3: He should start as a rookie. I think he can

795
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: start as right, Josh Allen the same thing. By the way,

796
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 3: Josh Allen started eleven games. Yeah, but he didn't start

797
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: the first month. That's what I'm saying, first month. Just

798
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 3: figure out like you said, you you you think you

799
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 3: your theory? Yes, is I don't that sounds disparaging, it's not.

800
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 3: But like your take is that the offensive line, even

801
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: though they didn't really add any major pieces, the coaching,

802
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: the system, the offensive line will look better. All I'm

803
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 3: saying is, let's just test that theory on Jacoby Brissett.

804
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 2: But my point sets a statue back there, so it's

805
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: not going to it's not going to look significantly better.

806
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to tell you. Shouldn't you be

807
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 3: able to get an idea watching the film of how

808
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 3: these guys are holding up and how they're working together.

809
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 3: I think Jacoby Brisset's a pure stat He's not Drake made,

810
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 3: but he's not he's Matt Jones either.

811
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: He's more of one of those guys like almost like

812
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 2: end of you know, middle to end of career big

813
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: Ben where like he's absorbing contact, like he's a big

814
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 2: dude and he can stand in there and take hits,

815
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: but he's not overly.

816
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, I think you these you should be

817
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 3: able to get you You'll get an idea. They did

818
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 3: it with Flacco last year.

819
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: You'll get a night.

820
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Just put Jacoby verseet out there

821
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: for a couple of weeks, so let's just see. Let's

822
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 3: just see what Kaden Wallace looks like as a rookie

823
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 3: if he's in there. Let's see what Michael looks and.

824
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: What happens and what happens If it doesn't look any better,

825
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: so then we have to sit here and wait a year.

826
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 3: No, then you keep going until you figure out what

827
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: your best five is, whatever that is, and once you.

828
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: Have personnel as the personnel that they have who they

829
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 2: have on the line.

830
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: But we talked about all the time, sometimes you don't know.

831
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's just there's a combination that, for whatever reason

832
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 3: it works. There is a best five. I'm not saying

833
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 3: it's great that don't he shouldn't start behind five different

834
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 3: offensive lines in five weeks.

835
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: I hear you, but I so, I'm just telling you.

836
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna look awfully clunky, which Coley said.

837
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: And I think that this notion that, oh, we're gonna

838
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 2: know that the line is actually a little bit better

839
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: the receivers. I don't. I don't know if that's going

840
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 2: to happen because I don't. I don't know if the receivers.

841
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: I don't care. Honestly, that's its own thing that I really.

842
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 3: They can look like whatever they look like. Put Drake

843
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: May out there. I just let's let's make sure that

844
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 3: the doesn't have to be great, doesn't have to be good.

845
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: Let's just make sure the offensive line is better before

846
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 3: Drake May starts. That's all I'm saying.

847
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: All Right, Well, there could be waiting a while. Anyways,

848
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 2: we could argue about this for another two hours.

849
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 3: Well no, if not, just then just by Halloween.

850
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: All right, there we go. See, that's all I was

851
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: asking for. I was asking for a take from you.

852
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: But if they can't, if they can't figure out their

853
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: best five by Halloween.

854
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: That's I don't necessarily think that they I think they've

855
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: already kind of figured it out. And this is something, yeah,

856
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: I know you want to get to it. Something we've talked

857
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: about plenty on the show. And again this is not

858
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: to pat anybody's back or at mine back or your

859
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: back or whatever, but we've talked extensively about the offensive

860
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: line on the show. Kyle and Pembroke emailed and asked

861
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: us a question about the line just to begin this conversation,

862
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: and he said that in mini camp there's no pads,

863
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: they can't really touch the defensive lineman, and he doesn't

864
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: understand why everybody is overreacting or hitting the alarm bells

865
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: so much with the offensive line until we get into

866
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: pads and they can actually block people. I agree that

867
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: they're There is some truth to what Kyle is saying

868
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 2: right like, right now, what the comparison I keep using

869
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: because obviously I got to bring everything back to the

870
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: Celtics at the moment that they're playing defense in basketball

871
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: right now, they're they're trying to keep Luka Doncic out

872
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: of the paint on the offensive line where they're just

873
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: sliding their feet and kind of you. Yeah, yeah, you're

874
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: not actually blocking people, you're not finishing blocks, you're not

875
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 2: using your hands as aggressively. That stuff will all come

876
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 2: when the pads on in training camp. So there is

877
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: definitely an element of this where you can't really gauge

878
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: the offensive line this time of year. That's one hundred

879
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: percent true. But that being said, even though people are

880
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: gonna think that, I believe that they have you know,

881
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: Prime John Hannah and Matt Light out there on the

882
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: offensive line. It's it's not so much about the fact

883
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: that what we're seeing in practice as it is our

884
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: preconceived notions of what the personnel they have on paper,

885
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: which we all know has some deficiencies or has some

886
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: potential really weak links, so especially at the tackle spots right.

887
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: So that's where it comes from. More so, I would say,

888
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: is what this group looks like on paper, and then

889
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 2: you get into these practices and it definitely looks bumpy

890
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 2: in practice. And so it's a combination of those two things.

891
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: But we talk about combinations. On the one hand, you

892
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: can look at the fact that Caden Wallace is playing

893
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: a lot of right tackle in practice with Mike on

894
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: Winnie White guard. It's been a lot of from left

895
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 2: to right Jukes co for City, so David Andrews, Big Mike,

896
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: Cadden Wallace. That's been a lot of what we've seen,

897
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 2: especially recently, in recent practices. And on the one hand,

898
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 2: you could say that they invested in Mike Onwenu as

899
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: a tackle at the on the right side, they drafted

900
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: Caden Wallace and sold to us that they were going

901
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: to flip positions and move him to left and he

902
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: was going to be okay over there, And you could

903
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: say that the organization was wrong or is so far

904
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: wrong about that. But at the same time, I've been

905
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: saying routinely over and over again that I feel like

906
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: the line that they've played a lot of practice with

907
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks has been our last couple

908
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: of days, has been the right line all along. You know,

909
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: Caden Wallace at his natural spot at right tackle, Big

910
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 2: Mic at his natural spot inside at guard. And then

911
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: this year you develop four fifths of this line together,

912
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: going from City today Andrews to Wnu to Cayden Wallace.

913
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: And then next year we're talking about Will Campbell and

914
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: Kelvin Banks junior at the top of the draft, and

915
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: you drop the left tackle in and then really you

916
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: hope that you're cooking with gas at that point. So

917
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: I feel like a year two yeah, yeah, but I

918
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: feel like that's where we're headed with the offensive line.

919
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 2: And when you really look at that on paper, yes,

920
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 2: it's a rookie right tackle, but that happens a lot

921
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: around the league. Rookie start all the time on the line,

922
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: and it's obviously a big question mark with Jukes the

923
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: corps for if he's gonna make this work. But at

924
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: the same time, I feel like that is their best five.

925
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: It's it's less about an indictment on anybody that I

926
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 2: just mentioned, and more I would say of an indictment

927
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: on their guard depth without Cole Strange, Ye, Leiden Robinson,

928
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: Nick Leverett, and Tonio this spring. Yeah, I'm just saying like, yeah,

929
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 2: I would have him on the team right now.

930
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 3: If they if they keep on a tackle, I think

931
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: Nick Leverett gets that other spot.

932
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: So Nick Leverett just to kind of play this out, yeah,

933
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: Nick Levit. Cayden Wallace is probably better right tackle. Nick

934
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: Leverett is a right guard. So and the way that

935
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: you get the best five out there is that you

936
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: kicked Nick Leverett to the bench and you put on

937
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: when back inside, and you let Cayden Wallace play right

938
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 2: tackle on paper. I test all those types of things

939
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 2: for eye test for what it's worked this time of year.

940
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: I think that is their best five along the offense.

941
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 3: No, this all comes with the massive caveat of we

942
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: haven't seen them with pads on yet, and maybe when

943
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 3: the pads come on, nick LeVert starts to dominate. But yeah, yeah, no,

944
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 3: I mean I I you know, me, I wanted I

945
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 3: wanted on a tackle. I just think premium position put

946
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: the better player there. But I'm I'm kind of coming

947
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 3: around to it. Let's also wait to put the right

948
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 3: tackle out there until we know what they have a quarterback. No,

949
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 3: I thought that might catch you. That was a joke.

950
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: Good job. Uh yeah, if that's the best look whatever,

951
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 3: the best five is the best five. And I've I've

952
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: been asked about this like, well, why are they you

953
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 3: know they paid mic On when it was a tackle,

954
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 3: why are they moving back to guard? First off, he's

955
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 3: still like, I think he's the sixth highest paid Garden

956
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 3: football if he's playing guard, third highest paid right Garden football,

957
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: So which is about right? I mean, they paid him

958
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 3: they gave him a good contract, but it's not like.

959
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: It's and that reset every year when the next guy

960
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: gets right exactly.

961
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 3: And I would add on top of that, well, isn't

962
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: that I'd rather have an overpaid right guard then for

963
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: them to go out there and say, well, we can't

964
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 3: block anything unless we move Mike Go and Win to inside.

965
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: But aust shucks, we played. We paid him as a tackle,

966
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: so that's where he's gonna play. No, at this point,

967
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: he's here. At this point, he's here, and he's said

968
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 3: he's opened to play in both. It's one thing if

969
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 3: he's like, I won't move inside, you don't want to

970
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 3: like shake up the locker room. But he said he's

971
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: open to both, and he's here, and if that's where

972
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 3: he needn to play to be able to play your

973
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 3: best on offense, then that's where he should play, like

974
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 3: full stop. So I'm I'm kind of coming around on

975
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 3: it now. I also wouldn't be opposed to maybe next

976
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: year you just get another card and move Mike Go

977
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 3: and winning back out there. But for this year, that yeah,

978
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 3: that really might end up being their best five.

979
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: I would have felt a little bit better about Mike

980
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: on when who playing tackle if he had came into camp,

981
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying he's out of shape, yeah, but

982
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: he's the same shape.

983
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 3: But he played tackle. He played tackle that shape.

984
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I think personally, and this is just my belief,

985
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: and I know that I'm not everybody agrees with me,

986
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: but personally, I believe that mike on wh who's tackle

987
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: tape is extremely overrated because and it's not anybody's fault.

988
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I have a little Patriots breaking news

989
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: that Jaylen Polk signed his hookie contract, entire rookie contract,

990
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: entire rookie classes signed. There you go.

991
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not to say that to begrudge anybody or

992
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 2: say that you don't know what you're watching or anything

993
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: like that, but I believe his his tackle tape is

994
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: based off of the fact that their their tackles the

995
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: last couple of years, other than mike on when who

996
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 2: have struggled, were comparing in a vacuum. Mike on Unwa

997
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: had tackled this week to Vaderian Low at right tackle

998
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: last week. Obviously he's gonna look a lot better than

999
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: Vaderian Low right playing tackle. But when you really go

1000
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: and study his tape. At tackle, there's a lot of struggles,

1001
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: especially in past pro with having a short corner and

1002
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: getting beat around the edge. There are games from last year.

1003
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: Go watch the Charger game from last year and what

1004
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: Khalil Mack did to him in that game. That was

1005
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: one of the worst games I've seen Mike on when

1006
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 2: who play as a pro. I couldn't believe it. It

1007
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 2: was that bad. Those games I feel like are there

1008
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: more than people necessarily realize, because it's Connor McDermott, it's

1009
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: Vaderian Low, it's you know whoever right that that's there

1010
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 2: at tackle, and we're so used to seeing those types

1011
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: of guys just be turnstiles and being like, oh, it

1012
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: has to be better than this, and it is better

1013
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: than that when on when he was out there. But

1014
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: when I watch him play guard, even though the tape

1015
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 2: might not be a plus plus at guard and see

1016
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: a tackle or whatever, you know, it might not beat

1017
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: that huge of a gap. I think when he plays guard,

1018
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: you just look at a guy that looks like he's

1019
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: in his natural spot. He looks more comfortable, he looks

1020
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: more sure of himself, and it looks like he just

1021
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: understands how to play the position in the nuances, it's

1022
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: significantly better, which is expected because he's played there so

1023
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: much more than he's played at tackle. I have always

1024
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 2: thought that Mike on One, who's a guard, I've always

1025
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: thought his guard tape is much better than his tackle tape,

1026
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: and I've always thought that would be his home long term.

1027
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 2: And you talk about the contract, Well, in today's NFL,

1028
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 2: we are in a real era right now of prospering

1029
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: interior defensive lineman, interior rushers like a Christian Barmore. Every

1030
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 2: year in the AFC East, the Patriots are gonna face

1031
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: Quinn Williams twice a year. They're gonna face at Oliver

1032
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: twice a year. Obviously, Christian Wilkins has moved on from Miami,

1033
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: but I'm sure Miami will get a guy in there

1034
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: in the inside as well. Barmore is making one hundred

1035
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 2: million dollars a year, hundred million dollars total on a contract.

1036
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 2: All these guys are getting paid left and right at

1037
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: that spot that has now become a premium position. There

1038
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 2: is elite, elite players all throughout the league on the interior,

1039
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: So to me, I don't necessarily care as much about

1040
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 2: the contract and the value and all that stuff, because

1041
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 2: I think we almost undervalue interior play on both sides

1042
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: of the ball a little bit in our heads because

1043
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: it's not the typical premium position of edge rusher left

1044
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: tackle that those spots I think are becoming much more

1045
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: valuable because of who they're going to go up against

1046
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: every single week. I mean, we could pull up their schedule,

1047
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 2: but just off the top of my head, you know,

1048
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: in terms of the amount of games that they have

1049
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: against elite interior guys, you're going to see it every

1050
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: single week. So I'm not necessarily as caught up on

1051
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: the contract with Onnu. I think the main thing that

1052
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 2: you have to look at is is Caden Wallace Ready,

1053
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 2: Is he so much better than a Leyden Robinson or

1054
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 2: Nick Leverett is in the starting lineup that it makes

1055
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: it worth it? And not so much about on Wenu.

1056
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: But if that's the starting five that they settle on,

1057
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 2: then I I feel like they're they're head's in the

1058
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: right place in terms of what's the best five on paper.

1059
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 3: Again, we got to see when the pads come on,

1060
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 3: but I think there's a real chance that ends up

1061
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: being the case.

1062
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: All right, summer is here, which means it's time to

1063
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: turn off that alarm and sleep in. Not sure about that?

1064
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: Thanks to bob'scount summer break man, I mean, are we

1065
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 2: still in school? I don't know, Save, I.

1066
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: Mean, isn't it I mean we're not in school, but

1067
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 3: like it's a month and a half. That's what's going on.

1068
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: Save big by bundling Bob's bob Opiedic mattresses with your

1069
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: choice of fantastic adjustable bases full of fun for features

1070
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: like charging ports, underbed lighting and Bluetooth speakers. So stop

1071
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: in and sleep better with Bob's Discount Furniture, the official

1072
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 2: furniture store of the New England Patriots. We have one

1073
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: of those consoles in our couch, you know what I'm

1074
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: talking about, and it has a from It's from Bob,

1075
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: so I can I can talk about it as some

1076
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: USB ports and stuff like that and that. Yeah, it's

1077
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: actually pretty cool. I like the charging ports. Those are nice.

1078
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: All right, let's take some of these phone calls. Sean

1079
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 2: has been waiting for a while. Thanks for way and Sean,

1080
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: what's up?

1081
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, you know you've had that argument.

1082
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 2: That seventeen times.

1083
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 7: The reasons Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've heard it a lot,

1084
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 7: and I called in a vet of but I want

1085
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 7: to say just that, you know I am on Alexis side,

1086
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 7: but I just want to I don't know if you've

1087
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 7: heard me, because I haven't communicated this well enough, but

1088
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 7: I do want Drake May to start, and I don't want.

1089
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 8: It to be perfect.

1090
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,959
Speaker 7: It doesn't even have to be good. It just can't

1091
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 7: be horrendous like Chuck's. Chuck's a corp for was a

1092
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 7: mediocre right tackle. If even if he's mediocre at left tackle,

1093
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 7: which I don't think he will be, then I'm okay.

1094
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 7: I just can't see him getting killed, like I don't

1095
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 7: want him to be destroyed like somebody just flying through

1096
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 7: without any time at all. I know he can scramble,

1097
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 7: and he can he can make things happen, but I

1098
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 7: don't know if he's cark can you know, I'm not

1099
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 7: sure how that will work if it's an absolute disaster,

1100
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 7: That's all I'm saying. I'm hoping that, you know, maybe

1101
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 7: maybe he's better Choos can handle that, or or maybe

1102
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 7: they'll sign like one of the five guys over thirty

1103
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 7: who's still available, who can pass a clean bill of health,

1104
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 7: like you know Buck Gary or Humphreys or or Donovan

1105
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 7: Smith or you know anyone that that actually played Left Fell.

1106
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 7: That's all I'm saying. So I hope it works, but

1107
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 7: that's that's where I'm at with that.

1108
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Sean. I appreciate it. I do

1109
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 2: think there's a possibility, and this is no inside of

1110
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: information whatsoever. But we get two weeks into camp and

1111
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 2: Chooks a quarter four is not looking so odd. Then

1112
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: I do think there's a chance that they call a

1113
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 2: guy like David bo or Humphreys or something.

1114
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: I think Humphreys Bodi he said clean bill of health. Yeah, yeah,

1115
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 3: Bodieri's played ten games in the last three years. I

1116
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 3: do think he's done. But no, that's kind of my point.

1117
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: I think you put it like, how's Drake Megan develop

1118
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 3: If every single play he's making is out of structure,

1119
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 3: that's fair.

1120
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 2: That's kind of my None of us want it to

1121
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: be like that. Just for the record, and I'm not

1122
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 2: telling you that if it I don't need Drake made

1123
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: to star Week one against the Bagels, I'll keep reiterating that.

1124
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: My only point is is that I'm not sure if

1125
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: we I I hope, I hope that Jacoba Brissette gives

1126
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: us that barometer of let's just see if it's a

1127
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: complete sieve of an offensive line or not before we

1128
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: throw him out.

1129
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: I think he can give us that much.

1130
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope he can. And if he does, and

1131
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: that's great, and then we can figure that out and

1132
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: go from there. I just don't want it to all

1133
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 2: be hinging on Jacobi Brisette's ability to functionally run an offense.

1134
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 3: Well, here's the point. If we get to the point

1135
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 3: where it comes down to it's about Jacoby Presett's ability

1136
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 3: to run an offense, then the offensive line is probably

1137
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 3: doing well enough. If we don't even get to that point, yeah,

1138
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 3: then that means the offensive line's not ready.

1139
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's the number one concern with this team right now.

1140
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 2: And I still come back to the fact that I'm

1141
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: at the point now where I don't have any concerns

1142
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 2: about Drake May being ready to contribute as a rookie.

1143
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't want to put a week

1144
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: on it yet. I'm not ready to do that. But

1145
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 2: I have no concerns whatsoever about Drake May's developmental timeline.

1146
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 2: We're all concerned about the same things. We're all concerned

1147
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 2: about is the supporting cast going to be ready for him,

1148
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 2: and if that means buying time for a little while.

1149
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 2: With Jacoby Brissett, my concern is is that at some

1150
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 2: point it's like a right, there's a difference between buying

1151
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: time and waiting an entire year, And I just I

1152
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: don't think that they need to wait the entire year

1153
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 2: on Drake May's side of things, right on his side

1154
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 2: of the street. So it almost just would be disappointing

1155
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: or you know, a little bit of a of a

1156
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 2: downer to just not see him out there earlier when

1157
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: we know what he's capable of, just because we're so

1158
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 2: concerned about what everybody else is capable of. But I

1159
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: do want to reiterate seventeen times that I am not

1160
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 2: saying that I need to see him week one. I

1161
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: just I would like to see Drake May start probably

1162
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 2: the majority of the games this season. All right, Jay

1163
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: is in Arkansas? What's up? Jay?

1164
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, I guess it's just the topic of the day,

1165
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 4: right indulgence summer here we are talking of. It's the blind.

1166
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 6: But like the.

1167
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 4: Previous color mentioned, you guys have talked about it a lot.

1168
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,720
Speaker 4: I think I've always kind of fallen in with Alex

1169
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 4: on this. I just don't see how it can be

1170
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,919
Speaker 4: so bad, And you guys correct me if I'm wrong,

1171
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 4: but it's it's just funny the way narratives kind of

1172
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 4: take on a life of their own. You know, all

1173
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 4: the the guys like you all who who we all

1174
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 4: love and love the content and need it. But you know,

1175
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 4: all the different platforms the narrative becomes well, the offensive

1176
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 4: line was just so horrible last year. I correct me

1177
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 4: if I'm wrong, But you know, even when I guess

1178
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 4: it was low who was eventually out there, I don't

1179
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 4: think it was just the turnstile at the end of

1180
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 4: the year, maybe the last month of the season. I

1181
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 4: thought it at some point did get solidified a little bit,

1182
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 4: And I just don't see how he could couldn't be

1183
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 4: a little bit better in like the previous color mentioned

1184
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 4: in it. Uh, Chucks is just competent out there. I'm

1185
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 4: I'm I'm optimistic. And you know, even Bigarreds surprised me

1186
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 4: a little bit. You know, he said, just because Taydon

1187
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,959
Speaker 4: Wallace got moved to the right side of these last

1188
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 4: two days, well now he's worried. You know, I just

1189
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 4: don't get why that's called for worry if that's if

1190
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 4: that's your best five, if that's where you want to

1191
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 4: let him play for a while, if that's what you

1192
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 4: want to give a try, I don't I don't see

1193
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 4: why it is such a you know, need to sound

1194
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 4: the alarm. So I'm I'm optimistic that the offensive ny

1195
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 4: will be fine and and if so, I'm okay with that.

1196
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 6: Thanks guys, pretty thanks for the call.

1197
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: To the last point, I'm with the caller, and I

1198
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 2: think we're both with the caller. If the best five

1199
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: is the best five, well, I I.

1200
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 3: Think when it comes down to and let me answer

1201
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 3: the first part first, Yeah about you know, well it

1202
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 3: got better at the end of the year last years.

1203
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 3: Is it going to get worse? It got better at

1204
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 3: the end of the year last ye because they took

1205
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 3: the first six weeks to experiment and move guys around,

1206
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 3: and they finally moved on Mike when went out to tackle,

1207
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 3: and that gave them their best five. And that's basically

1208
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 3: this timeline I'm describing for Drake May is how long

1209
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 3: does it take them to get to that point where

1210
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 3: they have a consistent group as a Kaid and Wallace moving.

1211
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's if that's their best five, it's

1212
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 3: a net positive. The potential, I don't want to say

1213
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 3: potential downside. The risk that comes with that is, well,

1214
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 3: Cayden Wallace was gonna be your backup left tackle. So

1215
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 3: if he's now you're starting right tackle. What if chookes

1216
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 3: of core four doesn't work out or it gets hurt?

1217
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 3: Are you moving Caden Wallace back to left and kicking

1218
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 3: Michael and went who back outside? You could do that,

1219
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 3: But Kayden Wallace, assuming he's your starting right tackle, probably

1220
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,479
Speaker 3: hasn't worked a ton at left and he's not gonna

1221
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 3: be great out there. Okay, so he's out now. It's

1222
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 3: basically between Calvin Anderson, Vederian Lowe, and Tyrone Wheatley to

1223
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 3: decide who your backup left tackle is. Three guy Well,

1224
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 3: Anderson got hurt and the other two struggled in that

1225
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 3: spot last year. So Calvin Anderson, in a sneaky way,

1226
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 3: is like important to this whole thing?

1227
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think right now? To me, he's the most equipped.

1228
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: I would say he's the only guy that's actually played

1229
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 2: left tackle to be the third tackle. I hate calling

1230
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: him a swing tackle. The swing tackles are a little

1231
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: bit different.

1232
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 3: No, he's played both sides.

1233
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't hut to me, is there is their

1234
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: most likely third tackle. But I will say Vederian Lowe.

1235
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that Darian Lowe was great, okay, no

1236
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: matter where he played, but certainly better at left than

1237
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 2: he Yes.

1238
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 3: But so but that, like, that's what it comes down to.

1239
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 3: So that's where I don't know that it's it's not

1240
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 3: reason not to do it. You need your best five,

1241
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 3: it's not reason not to do it. But then you

1242
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 3: have to answer this question of if Chuks of kor

1243
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 3: Ford just can't figure out the left side, or if

1244
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 3: he gets hurt, what's your new best five, because there's

1245
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 3: a chance you end up taking a big step back. Yeah, yeah,

1246
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 3: they just it's as much as we've kind of talked

1247
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 3: about the starting tackles being an issue, depth is as

1248
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 3: big of an it, like they just don't have the

1249
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: whole tackle position is a wild card right now.

1250
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. And before we take some

1251
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: more of these calls, I just want to talk a

1252
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 2: little bit about the receiver position as well, because we're

1253
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: gonna probably spend a lot of time now that we

1254
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 2: got fired up at each other about the quarterbacks. I

1255
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 2: think a lot of these calls are gonna be about

1256
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 2: this conversation. Uh. Receiver position really a couple of different things.

1257
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 2: First of all, we did Taekwon Thornton for a day,

1258
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 2: and then he doesn't pract.

1259
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 3: We got the full Taekwon Thorne experience. He popped, then

1260
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 3: he struggled, and then I tried to tell you, I tried,

1261
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 3: did not try to time.

1262
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:51,959
Speaker 2: Man every that guy. That guy is the definition of

1263
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 2: if this was flag football or seven on seven or

1264
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah, I remember back in the day

1265
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: on Madewin Bettel Johnson was like the best player.

1266
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 3: In the game. You made. The trick was to make

1267
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 3: Bethel Johnson your backup quarterback so he'd be the holder

1268
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 3: on field goals and then you run the fake field

1269
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 3: goal pass and you roll him out and he could

1270
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,479
Speaker 3: just run for days. I just get the edge every time.

1271
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 2: I just remember Bethel Johnson as a receiver because he

1272
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 2: was like a night.

1273
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 3: Well that he was a complete cheat coach it was.

1274
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 2: He would have thought he was Randy Moss in the game, right.

1275
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 3: No. I used to win like m VPS with him.

1276
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyways, Uh, that that guys Taekwon Thornton is the

1277
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: biggest enigma I've ever seen, because he obviously has a

1278
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 2: skill set that should translate in the NFL, but there's

1279
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 2: just something always wrong with him, Like is this a

1280
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: consistency thing or it's a physical you know, ailment to Obviously,

1281
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: I don't know why he missed Wednesday's practice, so I

1282
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: shouldn't speculate, but the point being he wasn't out there.

1283
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 3: Given his history.

1284
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, the other elements of these two Jalen Polk really

1285
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 2: starting to flash on Monday and Wednesday in Mini Camp

1286
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: pra This is that one right there to me is

1287
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 2: telling me that this is a guy that maybe took

1288
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: a few weeks, few beats to catch up with the

1289
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 2: playbook and understand the offense and grasp what they're asking

1290
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 2: him to do. Now it seems like he's making more

1291
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: and more plays as we progress here. My guess is

1292
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 2: is that it's a little bit more related to what

1293
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 2: the mental side of things than him not having the

1294
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 2: physical ability, because when you watch him run routes and

1295
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 2: practice even against air, and just watch how he moves.

1296
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: He's not the fastest guy. We knew that, but he's

1297
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 2: got that sudden quick twitch movement ability that typically lends

1298
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 2: itself to separation. You know, he's got that ability to

1299
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: kind of just suddenly cut and make sharp angular moves

1300
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 2: with his body. And then you obviously know that he's

1301
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 2: got the great hands and the great catch profile too.

1302
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 2: So all those elements I would say tell you that

1303
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 2: he's got the tools to be able to be a

1304
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 2: productive guy and get open. I would trying to remember back,

1305
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 2: Taekwon has always had these little flashes there, these little

1306
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 2: moments and practices, especially non padded practices. But I don't

1307
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 2: remember Nikhil Harry or Taekwon Thorton looking this. I don't

1308
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: know what the word is, just just polished, like just

1309
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: you know, kind of like he belongs as much as

1310
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 2: as Jalen Polka as I'm not ready similar to Drake Man.

1311
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to crown him yet, but I feel

1312
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 2: like we're headed into very positive direction with Jalen polk.

1313
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's kind of one of these guys like you

1314
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 3: don't necessarily see any major weakness with them, and it's

1315
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 3: we still got to see what his standout trade is,

1316
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 3: but he just he goes out. He does everything at

1317
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,919
Speaker 3: the base level is strong. The base level. Looks looks

1318
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 3: to be very strong and like he's going to be

1319
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 3: a contributor at this league. To what extent we'll see,

1320
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 3: but yeah, I think he's off to good start.

1321
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that too. How about Kishan Boudi.

1322
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 2: We do this every summer where it's like all these

1323
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 2: fringe roster guys, it's whichever one you like the most, right,

1324
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: it's Kaishan Boudi, It's Taekwon, it's Jalen Rager, It's this

1325
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 2: group of receivers here at the back end of the roster.

1326
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 2: I think we can comfortably say that Tomrio, Douglas, Jalen Polk,

1327
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 2: Javon Baker will be on this team. Kendrick Bourne will

1328
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 2: be on this team in some capacity, whether it's you know,

1329
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 2: on the active roster, it's on I R pup uh.

1330
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 2: The The rest of them, though, is one big cluster

1331
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 2: of mid To be honest with you, but that is

1332
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 2: almost what makes it hard to project who's gonna.

1333
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 3: We've done this a few times last few years.

1334
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 2: It's hard to make to project who's gonna make the

1335
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 2: team because they're all kind of met It's they're all

1336
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 2: in the same talent level in terms of tier, what

1337
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 2: do you think Kishan Budi has a real chance to

1338
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 2: make this team.

1339
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 3: It's tough. It's tough because he's not really playing the

1340
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 3: kicking game. Yeah, and his biggest issues been consistency, Like

1341
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 3: he's had flashy practices like that, but he's got to

1342
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 3: do it time and time again. I still think from

1343
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 3: that group, So we're going the Locks or Polk Baker Pop,

1344
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 3: I think Bourne's gonna be ready born in some capacity.

1345
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 3: I well, no, I think he's gonna be on the

1346
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 3: week one roster, okay, just based off what Gerrod Mayo

1347
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 3: said the other day, and then I mean Osborne maybe,

1348
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 3: But if we're talking fifth or sixth spot, I still

1349
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 3: think Jalen Rager is the inside track. He's highly involved

1350
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 3: in the spring played well, plays a significant role in

1351
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 3: the kicking game, which when they're working on special t

1352
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 3: when they're working on special teams during practice. The only

1353
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 3: two receivers who aren't a part of that are Juju

1354
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 3: and Taekwon, right, And if you're gonna be the fifth

1355
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 3: or sixth receiver, you need to be able to do

1356
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 3: something else. So I think Jalen Rager has the inside

1357
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 3: track on that spot. And then kJ Osborne just because

1358
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 3: his contract and all that. But I like on my

1359
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 3: ross projection, I had six receivers including those two guys.

1360
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 3: I still think mate, like, if a guy like Jujus

1361
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 3: are strong summer, maybe he can trade him. Yeah, but

1362
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 3: I there's there's too much traffic ahead for Kashn Booty

1363
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 3: for a guy that just been consistent.

1364
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. He always Even last summer,

1365
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 2: he had one or two practices where I remember circling

1366
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 2: him and saying that this is a guy that was

1367
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 2: flashing today. But it's it's not stacking practice after practice

1368
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 2: after practice, And if he's gonna make the team, that's

1369
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 2: what it's gonna have to be. It's gonna have to

1370
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 2: be the summer of kish On Booty where he's just

1371
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 2: making catches left and right. I don't know if we're

1372
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 2: there yet. And I would also just mention that the

1373
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 2: legal stuff, in the off the field stuff is still

1374
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,439
Speaker 2: exists there with him, and that suspension could just come

1375
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 2: down at any time from the league from all the

1376
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 2: stuff that happened over the offseason with him. So it's

1377
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 2: a difficult situation there with Booty off the field too.

1378
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 2: What it's going on with Juju. I mean, what do

1379
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 2: they do with Juju? I know we talk about this

1380
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 2: a lot too, but there was a play on Wednesday's practice,

1381
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 2: yesterday's practice when he was coming over the middle of

1382
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 2: the field, and is it Giles or Giles, Joe Giles Harris.

1383
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Joe Giles Harris was the linebacker in

1384
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 2: coverage and it's it's no slight on Joe Giles Harris.

1385
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 2: But we're not exactly talking about primary Lewis here and

1386
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: Juju Smith Schuster could not get away.

1387
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 3: He was a linebacker. It's your wide receiver you should

1388
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 3: pull away from.

1389
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 2: It's a slot. Is a guy lining up in the

1390
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 2: slot that can't pull away from a practice squad linebacker?

1391
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 2: And that that told me right then and there that

1392
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 2: juice for Juju, no pun intended. That is not any

1393
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 2: better than what it was last year. If he's still

1394
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 2: not being able to explode past a guy like Joe

1395
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 2: Giles Harris.

1396
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I just again, I don't see where the

1397
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 3: path is for him. He's not standing out And Jalen

1398
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 3: Polk's going to play a very similar role, and you

1399
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 3: need to have Jalen Polk on the field like he

1400
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 3: needs to be playing, he needs to be developing. Yeah,

1401
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 3: so Juju's here, what's he doing?

1402
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 2: The path is that it's twelve point three million dollars

1403
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 2: that you have to eat. And I understand it's just

1404
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 2: money to all of us. But unless you trade him,

1405
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 2: I just don't know how you're gonna get anything for

1406
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 2: him in the trade.

1407
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 3: Uh See, Like I get that. Maybe this is me

1408
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 3: being lazy. Maybe this is a lazy take. They traded

1409
01:07:58,680 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 3: John Smith.

1410
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 2: Yes, but they traded Jonas Smith in a situation where

1411
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: I believe Arthur Smith was aware that the scheme didn't

1412
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 2: fit him and that he was going to use him

1413
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 2: in a better way with the familiarity from Tennessee.

1414
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 3: It's just it called the Chiefs, I guess. But the

1415
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 3: Chiefs have added a lot of receivers. You know they

1416
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 3: had any good receivers.

1417
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, they added a worthy one and they added Hollywood.

1418
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 3: All right, that's one.

1419
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 2: What do you mean that's one? Hollywood's an NFL receiver.

1420
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll be fine.

1421
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 2: He's a better player than Juju. So and then we'd see,

1422
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 2: maybe there is there a world. Okay, let's just if

1423
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 2: somebody gets hurt, you know, let's play this out a

1424
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 2: little with the Chiefs the way that Juju Smith Schuster

1425
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 2: is valuable to the Chiefs. If Rashie Rice gets suspended, right,

1426
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 2: so maybe that does happen.

1427
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like, or maybe some other teams

1428
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 3: somebody gets hurt and they just need a guy to

1429
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 3: you right round out for twelve million dollars, Well, it

1430
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 3: won't be twelve million, it'll be nine in chain, it

1431
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 3: will be I'll tell you seven and a half.

1432
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought it was a little bit more than that.

1433
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 3: But still, if I'm reading this right, which there's a

1434
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 3: chance I'm not, but if I'm reading this right, I.

1435
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 2: Knew it was somewhere between the seven to ten million range.

1436
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 2: That that number is still for like your fifth receiver.

1437
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 2: That's a lot of money to just have him sitting

1438
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 2: there just as depth or an emergency type of receiver. Now,

1439
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 2: if the Chiefs are looking at it and say we're

1440
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 2: going to win a Super Bowl again this year Rashie

1441
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 2: Rice suspended for the first eight games of the season

1442
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 2: because of all of his antics, then maybe that's a

1443
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 2: different conversation. But now you're you're hoping that a lot

1444
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 2: of dominoes are gonna fall your way for that to happen.

1445
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 3: Or maybe Juju agrees to you know, he's still only

1446
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 3: twenty eight, maybe agrees to redo his deal if he

1447
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 3: goes somewhere he knows he's going to get a chance

1448
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 3: to succeed and you know, hits free agency at the

1449
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 3: end of the year or something like that. There's it's

1450
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,839
Speaker 3: a quote in my station, there's a cap can be maneuvered.

1451
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 2: That's about all we're gonna be quoting from your station

1452
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,719
Speaker 2: right now. Jalen Rager another guy that made some plays.

1453
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 2: We're just talking. We're just throwing a bag of mid

1454
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 2: at you. Jalen Rager is another guy that I believe

1455
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 2: is competing with Taekwon directly. And when you add in

1456
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:10,759
Speaker 2: the return value and the fact that his field stretching

1457
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 2: ability is not I would actually almost say that it's

1458
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 2: pretty close to on par with Taekwon. He's not as

1459
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 2: fast as Taekwon, but he's more physically and it's in

1460
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 2: the same neighborhood. Yeah, and he can return kicks. It

1461
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 2: just feels like that's a much better, more clearer past.

1462
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 3: And he also seems like, I don't know, maybe I'm

1463
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 3: reading too much into this and we only saw four

1464
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 3: of ten practices. He seems to be hanging out with

1465
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 3: Polk and Baker a lot. Yeah, so he's kind of

1466
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 3: in that group. And I yeah, I said for Rager

1467
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 3: to me, is the inside track on that last spot?

1468
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can agree with that as well. I think

1469
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 2: that puts a bow on the receivers to get back

1470
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 2: to these calls here and then I have a funny

1471
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 2: email to read you that enjoy.

1472
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 4: Uh.

1473
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 2: Oh, Brendan is in Michigan. What's up? Brendan, Brendan, Brendan

1474
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 2: going once? All right, call us back and we'll get

1475
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 2: you on Patty's an ad on what's up? Patty stup?

1476
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 4: Guys?

1477
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 6: Can you hear me?

1478
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 3: All right?

1479
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 2: Yes, it's up.

1480
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 8: So I had a question regarding mister Drake May because

1481
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 8: I want to see him start as soon as possible.

1482
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 8: Is there a scenario come camp where I mean, he

1483
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 8: he's just farm leaves and bounds better than Kobe Brissette.

1484
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 8: Is there any way they keep him off the field.

1485
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 8: Do you think they want them to just set wait

1486
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 8: for maybe minimum four weeks or do you think they

1487
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 8: stay the kids? Ready, let's get him in there, Let's

1488
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:30,759
Speaker 8: let's have him start.

1489
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call Patty, Patty, I think you

1490
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 2: just hit on exactly what my frustration is is exactly

1491
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 2: that I believe that there is a world that we

1492
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 2: might all already be living in partially where Drake May

1493
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 2: is just so much better than Jacob Brissett. And the

1494
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 2: only reason why you're holding him out is you want

1495
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 2: to call it at a discipline, Yeah, just to be

1496
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 2: nice at a discipline for this the rest of this

1497
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 2: that just sticks, and that, to me, it would be

1498
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 2: an indictment and it just Yeah, that to me would

1499
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 2: be a real indictment on what they did this offseason.

1500
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,799
Speaker 2: And I would pull that against Elliot Wolfe.

1501
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 3: Okay, but they would because they didn't, Yeah, because they

1502
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:14,759
Speaker 3: didn't add a real left tackle.

1503
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 2: That would be his fault.

1504
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that's what I've been saying. But I I

1505
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 3: don't know that we can get to that. And this

1506
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 3: isn't Drake May thing, This isn't a Patriots thing, Like,

1507
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 3: I don't think you can get a full valuation on

1508
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 3: him just the way the offseason set up, unless he

1509
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 3: plays a ton in the preseason.

1510
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 2: Which I don't know necessarily about a ton, but he'll play.

1511
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 3: So let's see how much he plays in the time.

1512
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 3: Let's see how much he plays in the preseason. Let's

1513
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 3: see how much he plays. I don't care if he's

1514
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 3: lighting up the third string defense whatever. Now we have

1515
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 3: that one joint practice, right, Let's see what he does

1516
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 3: in the preseason. Because with that was it with mac Jones.

1517
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 3: It was that we were not talking about him starting

1518
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 3: to joint practice with the Giants. Yeah, and let's see

1519
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 3: what he looks like in pressure. Let's he looks like

1520
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 3: against the new defense. I just I think the way,

1521
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 3: even from the Mac Jones here, there's been so many changes.

1522
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 3: I think it's so hard to definitively know if a

1523
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 3: guy can be that dominant over the course of an

1524
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 3: NFL preseason because of the way, not because of Drake

1525
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 3: may or anything, just because of the way it's structured.

1526
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 3: I think if you're that, if you have that much

1527
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 3: conviction about him, I think you're just kidding yourself because

1528
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 3: you really haven't seen that much. Yeah, not that and

1529
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 3: sorry so and then it's all right, well we didn't

1530
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 3: see it, But then you're gonna sit him and play him.

1531
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,679
Speaker 3: It's well, no, there's always gonna be a level of unknown.

1532
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, let's answer one unknown the offensive line

1533
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 3: before we start dealing with another unknown, Drake May.

1534
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think all that's fair, and this is one

1535
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: element two of it for me is I would love

1536
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 2: to see Drake May once we get into camp, and

1537
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm off the whole They need to get

1538
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:56,959
Speaker 2: him more reps staying they're getting.

1539
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 3: No, they're they're there. The reps are now correct. I

1540
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 3: mean Bailey's happy. I think yeah, And I.

1541
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 2: Do want to just quickly touch on the other quarterbacks

1542
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 2: before we wrap this up. But back to the Drake

1543
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 2: May point, I believe there's gonna be a world where

1544
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 2: he's lighting it up in practice at times, and that

1545
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 2: world actually can light up last practice because the start

1546
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 2: was horrible, but the end of practice was certainly very

1547
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 2: impressive in the red zone, I thought from him through

1548
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 2: multiple very good balls to Booty and Polk in that session.

1549
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 2: But he's doing it against Mikey Victor and as easy

1550
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 2: Hearn and those types of players. So the way that

1551
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 2: I am sold that this is what Patty was kind

1552
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 2: of getting at, that this is just world better with

1553
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 2: Drake May is if we started to see him get

1554
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 2: opportunities against Christian Zales and Jonathan Jones and Kyle Duggar

1555
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 2: and Jabrill Peppers. If he's making those types of throws

1556
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 2: against those guys, then we need to have that conversation

1557
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 2: of is he just so much better than the rest

1558
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 2: of the quarterbacks that he should be playing. I also think,

1559
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 2: and I don't think this is the number one thing,

1560
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 2: because the rest of the locker room and the rest

1561
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 2: of the organization is going to have to realize that

1562
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 2: this is bigger than September twenty twenty four, like you

1563
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 2: like to say. But there's fifty two other guys on

1564
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 2: the team. There's a whole new coaching staff, brand new

1565
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 2: coaching staff, there's a brand new front office. These guys

1566
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 2: have no idea how long the leashes none And they

1567
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 2: probably have some goodwill with Robert Kraft that the leash

1568
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 2: is gonna be a little bit longer because they know

1569
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 2: it's rebuilding and they know they're starting from the ground up.

1570
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 2: But don't kid yourself that this new regime does not

1571
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 2: want to start the drawd Mayo era two and six

1572
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 2: or one in seven. Yeah, and if he's the best

1573
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 2: player and he gives them the best chance to win,

1574
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 2: and then you have to go into that locker room

1575
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,919
Speaker 2: and say, well, his long term development is more important

1576
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 2: than us winning this season. Then you have to have

1577
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 2: fifty two guys that are willing to stomach that, and

1578
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,040
Speaker 2: that's not always the easiest thing. This, to me, he

1579
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 2: was a big reason why mac Jones started right away.

1580
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 2: Everybody that was watching the practices saw that Cam Newton

1581
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't have it anymore, and mac Jones was a better

1582
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 2: player than Cam Newton. Bill to me went with mac

1583
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 2: Jones as quickly as he did because a big reason

1584
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 2: why was because of all of that, because the locker room,

1585
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 2: Because the other fifty three guys are important too. If

1586
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 2: fifty two guys are important too, so there's that element

1587
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 2: of it as well. That's what I'm getting at with

1588
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 2: all of the Drake may stuff is just exactly how

1589
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 2: Pat he put it. If he's the best player and

1590
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 2: he's clearly by everybody's eye test, our eye test, which

1591
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 2: means nothing but our eye test, but most importantly the

1592
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 2: coaches eye tests and the people inside the building, then

1593
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 2: it's it's going to be hard to convince the entire

1594
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 2: organization to put him on the bench.

1595
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 3: I just think it's I don't know, maybe it's staying

1596
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 3: with your practice. Like I feel like you and some

1597
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 3: other people are already there. I think it's too soon.

1598
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 2: I'm already there because of my I'm already there because

1599
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 2: of my priors. I'm gonna be fully. I'm gonna admit

1600
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 2: that you know how much I thought I've thought of

1601
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 2: him in the draft, you know, I mean.

1602
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 3: You know, my big thing with the draft is it's

1603
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 3: it's nurture as much as nature. And let's see, you

1604
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 3: know it's it's different. It's different. The NFL is simply different.

1605
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 3: And let's he's not the ACC anymore. Let me see

1606
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 3: it against NFL defenders. Before I have that much convince.

1607
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 2: You say that we got an email or somebody commented

1608
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 2: in a good point about the ACC. Point you keep

1609
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 2: making Clemson, NC State, even Duke. Yeah, last year, those

1610
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 2: are some Those were some pretty good defenses, Alex. I

1611
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 2: gotta I gotta admit I liked that email. That was

1612
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 2: That was a good one.

1613
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, he struggled against a lot of those teams.

1614
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,759
Speaker 2: He was up and down, but he also didn't have anything.

1615
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 3: No, and that's not me saying he's gonna be bad,

1616
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 3: but I'm just saying, like it's he's young, like he's

1617
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 3: got to get better. You've got to allow him time.

1618
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 3: Drake May, the worst thing that could happen, and just

1619
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 3: hang with me here, like, understand what I'm saying. Yes,

1620
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 3: the worst thing that could happen is Drake May's rookie

1621
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 3: season is the best season of his career.

1622
01:17:59,000 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 2: He peaked.

1623
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 3: That is a worst case scenario. Like, yeah, he's going

1624
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:03,759
Speaker 3: to get but he should be better.

1625
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 2: Than he was last year usually, And I don't want

1626
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 2: to spend too much more time on this.

1627
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 3: By the way, wait, what were those three teams?

1628
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 2: Alright? NC State, Clemson, Duke. There's one other team that isn't.

1629
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 3: I think you said Miami. Miami sucked.

1630
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 2: No, No, not Miami. I thought there was one other

1631
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:21,639
Speaker 2: team in the ACC that had a pretty good defense,

1632
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 2: but Florida State.

1633
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 3: He didn't play them. No, Duke twenty eight to forty three,

1634
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 3: three hundred and forty two yards, one touchdown, one pick,

1635
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 3: two rushing touchdowns.

1636
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 2: He played well against.

1637
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 3: He did play really well against Duke. That was one

1638
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 3: of his best games both years. Actually, yeah, gamer rivalry

1639
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 3: game showed up love that honestly. Clemson sixteen to thirty six,

1640
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 3: two hundred nine yards, touchdown, pick, did run for sixty

1641
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 3: seven yards on ten carries, no touchdowns North Carolina State.

1642
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 3: But at this it's tough there. These were his last

1643
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 3: three games, and the roster was falling apart. Yeah, twenty

1644
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 3: two to thirty eight, two hundred and fifty four yards,

1645
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 3: two touchdowns, two picks, nine carries, hundred six yards in touchdown.

1646
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 3: All right, but before it's a roller coaster. Yeah.

1647
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 2: No, he wasn't great in any and all any of

1648
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 2: those games really fair enough. I just the a SEC

1649
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 2: might have had a little bit of better competition than

1650
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 2: you think.

1651
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 3: There are a couple of teams. For the most part,

1652
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 3: it was not a pleasant experience.

1653
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 2: Do you want to hear the email ragging omni first

1654
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 2: before we go ragging me? So in a pue we

1655
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 2: were talking about somebody emailed from the UK and YadA, YadA, YadA.

1656
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 2: I might have made a seventeen seventy six joke. I

1657
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 2: might have And Carrie.

1658
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 3: Here you go taking shots at people on PATS unfiltered.

1659
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 2: Again, carry from the UK is not happy with me?

1660
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 2: Ready for this?

1661
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 3: Wait?

1662
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 2: What was that?

1663
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 3: What was the joke he made?

1664
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 2: I just he said something about the he picked Patriots

1665
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 2: because of England being in the name of the team

1666
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 2: and the colors red coats red, and I was like, oh,

1667
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 2: how did it go for them in seventeen right history?

1668
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,679
Speaker 2: Not sure why Evans seems to be so anti British,

1669
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:01,879
Speaker 2: at least on the last show AULTI Fashion referencing seventeen

1670
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 2: seventy six. Let's see how that goes for you when

1671
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 2: you have to travel over here in October and immerse

1672
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 2: yourself with the UK fans, know your audience and be professional.

1673
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 3: You gotta show up in like an uncle Sam ouch it. Now.

1674
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 2: I didn't think it could be more. It gets worse.

1675
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 2: I think it could be more nasal, patronizing and irritating.

1676
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 2: Oh yet here we are, look forward to greeting you,

1677
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:27,520
Speaker 2: Lizaarre Carrie. It was a joke, okay, okay.

1678
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 3: No, you gotta show up. You got to show up

1679
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 3: like a joke.

1680
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

1681
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 3: Like Apollo Creed, you gotta get the top hat with

1682
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 3: the stars and the stripes. You gotta get the vest.

1683
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:38,679
Speaker 2: Can I can I get? Is James Brown alive?

1684
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1685
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 2: I think so can I get living in America?

1686
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. James Brown died in two thousand and six.

1687
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 3: I think yeah, okay, so not even close.

1688
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 2: Kerry, I'm sorry, I heard your feelings. I was I

1689
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 2: was only joking. I was just messing around.

1690
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 3: No, you got you gotta play on this. Now you

1691
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 3: gotta play us. Also like.

1692
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 2: Keep going hundred years ago. I think we can. We

1693
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 2: can make jokes about it now, right, I mean I

1694
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 2: don't know, all right anywaysh moving over to the defense.

1695
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 3: They that mad that they lost the colonies.

1696
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 2: Uh, moving over to the defense. The best thing and

1697
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 2: the worst thing I can tell you about why no

1698
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,839
Speaker 2: one's talking about the defense. Obviously the offense more interesting,

1699
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 2: and Drake made it more interesting. It's more sexy. The

1700
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 2: best and worst thing I can tell you by why

1701
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 2: about why we're always so offense heavy. Other than that

1702
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 2: is that the regular contributors on the defensive side of

1703
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:34,680
Speaker 2: the ball are just kind of doing their thing.

1704
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 3: Then it's the same guys. They didn't really add anybody

1705
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 3: on defense. It didn't really lose anybody on defense. I

1706
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 3: mean this in the most complimentary way possible. It's pretty

1707
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 3: much the same defense.

1708
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's the same cast of characters to your

1709
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 2: point of Christian Barmore and Juwan Bentley and Matthew Judhon

1710
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,959
Speaker 2: and Kyle Dugger and Jabriel Peppers and now Christian Gonzalez

1711
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 2: is back. It's just the same dudes balling out, which

1712
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 2: is what we expected.

1713
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 3: The one big conversation on the end. I think it's

1714
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 3: a fun one. I think it's gonna be the most

1715
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 3: competitive battle in camp when you talk about the collective

1716
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 3: talent competing for the position. We know Gonzalez is gonna

1717
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 3: be on one boundary. Yeah, it does am I wrong

1718
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 3: and reading the tea leaves that Jonathan Jones is gonna

1719
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 3: be back in the slot, not necessarily getting those vibes.

1720
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 3: It depends on and we talked about it. They might go,

1721
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 3: they might go match up be a bit, but like, yeah,

1722
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 3: all right, so I think I'll put Alex Austin. I'm

1723
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 3: ready to put him ahead of the rest of that group.

1724
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 2: I'm almost in locked territory with Alexon.

1725
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then you have there's gonna be one or

1726
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 3: two more so in the slaw. You're gonna have Jonathan Jones,

1727
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 3: Marcus Jones right on the boundary're gonna have Christian Zalez,

1728
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 3: Alex Austin. Yes, And it's from there that it gets

1729
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 3: really interesting. So you have Isaiah Bolden Marcella style uh,

1730
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 3: Marco Wilson. I'll even throw in a zz Hearn and

1731
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 3: Mikey Victor because they started making like every day there

1732
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,719
Speaker 3: was a new corner that was making plays. Those guys

1733
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 3: are all battling for boundaries one or two boundary spots,

1734
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 3: and then you have Sean Wade who like can give

1735
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 3: you some boundary some slot. Maybe Bolden factors in in

1736
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 3: the slot. Like there's so many mood you have. I

1737
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:15,759
Speaker 3: think all of these guys are like NFL roster Bowl players.

1738
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:19,839
Speaker 3: They're all solid third to fourth corners. Maybe Marco Wilson's

1739
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 3: a little bit more than that, but like it, all

1740
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 3: these guys are gonna be on a roster. It's just

1741
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 3: is gonna be the Patriots roster somebody else is. These

1742
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 3: are guys that if they get waived, I think are

1743
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 3: gonna get signed elsewhere. So it's gonna be really really

1744
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 3: competitive to see who gets those last corner spots or two.

1745
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 3: And we got to figure out whe Jonathan Jones is

1746
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 3: gonna be first to really clarify that. But a lot

1747
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 3: of I had seven corners on my roster projection, it's

1748
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 3: I had six or will have six when it comes out.

1749
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 3: We have so much Brady content that we're gonna publish

1750
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 3: next week. But it's close with defensive Line. It depends

1751
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 3: on how you categorize Keon White. I think is the

1752
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 3: character is the biggest tipping point. Maybe, but are you

1753
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:03,919
Speaker 3: not doing edge anymore?

1754
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 5: Oh?

1755
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 2: I am so, I have I always sometimes I don't know.

1756
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 2: I don't know how. I think he's an edge now too,

1757
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 2: But that's besides the point.

1758
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 3: I'm still I'm not doing edge.

1759
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 2: Is Corner the best group on the roster because I

1760
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 2: think it might be.

1761
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 3: Yes, it's not. I didn't realize that was a discussion.

1762
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 2: Well, defensive line has bar more wise god show. I

1763
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 2: mean it doesn't have the depth. It doesn't have, but

1764
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 2: those are three of you.

1765
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 3: I mean I would say we're projecting a little more

1766
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 3: with you know what, to be fair because it's only

1767
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 3: a month at Christians as who we both love. Ye,

1768
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 3: So I would say defensive line. Let me put it

1769
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 3: this way, higher floor on the defensive line is the

1770
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 3: most proven position group on this roster. Corner has the

1771
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 3: potential to be the best group.

1772
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I love I shouldn't say it that way.

1773
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:55,719
Speaker 2: I think this cornerback group is stacked.

1774
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:59,679
Speaker 3: It is very goodmore I don't.

1775
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 2: Even know if they need to. I actually not not

1776
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 2: to like humble brag. I talked to him a little

1777
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 2: bit about this last time. Yeah, he does, he's not sure.

1778
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 2: It did feel it did feel nice that he remembered me.

1779
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 2: That was yeah, you know, that's not bad. We had

1780
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 2: a lot of really conversation, long conversations actually when he

1781
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 2: was here. Yeah, and about football obviously, but he he

1782
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:23,600
Speaker 2: would all you know, he would be the cherry on

1783
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 2: top for the group for sure. But I've really really liked,

1784
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 2: and I believe all of us have really liked what

1785
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 2: Alex Austin has shown us. And if you signed Stefan Gilmore,

1786
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 2: then Alex Austen is not playing, yeah, but rotating four guys.

1787
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 2: I guess. I think Marcus Jones were not underselling him

1788
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 2: by any means is the wrong term, but just he's

1789
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 2: gonna have a bigger role than I I believe we've

1790
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 2: currently because you look at Alex Austin being on the

1791
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,719
Speaker 2: outside would probably mean Jonathan Jones plays nickel. Marcus Jones,

1792
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,879
Speaker 2: to me, is a good enough player in the secondary

1793
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 2: to find a way to get him on the Bryant. Yeah,

1794
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 2: maybe we'll see if he's his snapcount is as high

1795
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 2: as Myles Bryant was playing a ton of snaps at

1796
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 2: the end. But Marcus Jones is a good enough football

1797
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 2: player that they need to find ways to get him

1798
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 2: on the field, So that would be interesting. Jonathan Jones

1799
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 2: and Christian goan Zales are going to be starting in

1800
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 2: some capacity. Whether Jones is on the inside or the

1801
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 2: outside remains to be seen. And then I really believe

1802
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 2: Alex Austin is a football player, like, not just oh

1803
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 2: he's a fifty three man roster guy. I believe Alex

1804
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 2: Austin is going to be a big time contributor Like

1805
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 2: this guy y I believe can really play. He gave

1806
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 2: up a catch to Keisham Boodie Well under route in

1807
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 2: red zone towards the end of practice, and I asked

1808
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 2: him he was walking off the podium after practice on Wednesday.

1809
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 2: I was like, in a game, you're punching that ball

1810
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 2: out and tackling him to the ground, right, And he

1811
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 2: was like, oh yeah. He was like for sure, you

1812
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 2: know he's not catching that one on me in the game.

1813
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 2: So he did give up a couple at the end

1814
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 2: to practice. The booty is why I bring this up,

1815
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 2: But one of them, I would say, in a live

1816
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 2: game situation, would not have been a completion, which is

1817
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 2: important context. In general, Alex Austen as last night the

1818
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 2: Jason mccordy roll right, and having that third outside guy.

1819
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:20,640
Speaker 2: I'm ready to put Alex Austin almost in the lock category.

1820
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 2: He's in that next not on the bubble, but not

1821
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 2: a lock. He's like in that middle tier for me

1822
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 2: right now. But I believe with a strong couple weeks

1823
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 2: of training camp to start, once we get to the

1824
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 2: preseason game portion, you know, after that first fifteen days

1825
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 2: of camp, I think we're gonna be talking about Alex

1826
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 2: Austen as a lock.

1827
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that absolutely.

1828
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 2: Anybody else on defense. The one other guy I would

1829
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 2: mention thought he had another nice practice yesterday was Keon White,

1830
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 2: who just continues to spend.

1831
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 3: He's been excellent.

1832
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 2: Love love love how much they're moving him around the front.

1833
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 2: That to me is where his path to being really

1834
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 2: impactful is going to have to be. That's gonna take

1835
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 2: some creativity from Drodmeo and DeMarcus Covington and uh in

1836
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 2: the group to get that out of him. But the

1837
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 2: more I watch him, even though I don't think that

1838
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 2: body type wise is not exactly a perfect comp but

1839
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 2: the Trey Flowers role of inside outside, sometimes up, sometimes down.

1840
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,839
Speaker 2: Trey Flowers played a lot more down if I remember correctly,

1841
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 2: in a three point stance. But just in general that

1842
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,799
Speaker 2: those types of guys in the past that the Patriots

1843
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 2: have had. If Kean White can add in line stand

1844
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,600
Speaker 2: up in line rushing where he's on two feet, but

1845
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 2: he's lining up over the center and guard on two

1846
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 2: feet and he's rushing the passer from those positions. Because

1847
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 2: now you're gonna have Keon White in there on the

1848
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 2: interior with a Christian bar more with a Judaan on

1849
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 2: the outside. You know, now you're really talking about a

1850
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 2: bunch of different inflection points for the offensive line where

1851
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 2: you're gonna have someone in that group is gonna get

1852
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 2: a one on one. Right, you can't double everybody, So

1853
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 2: somebody in that group is gonna get a one on one,

1854
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 2: and it's probably gonna end up being a lot of

1855
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 2: Keon White getting those matchups. And if he can win

1856
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 2: those matchups, his production is gonna go through the roof.

1857
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 2: He's gonna be able to.

1858
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 3: Really, so you're in on ke On White now.

1859
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,679
Speaker 2: I'm in on the idea. I still need to see

1860
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 2: if he's more of that. Is he a Dallas Thomas

1861
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 2: or is he somebody that's gonna be.

1862
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 3: Able to throw that name around?

1863
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 2: You know what I mean though? Is he somebody that

1864
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 2: In theory it sounds great. The versatility, the ability to

1865
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 2: play inside and outside, all of it sounds awesome. But

1866
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 2: is it gonna actually amount to anything or is it

1867
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 2: just gonna look good?

1868
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll see in the Pats come on like you've

1869
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 3: like you know, we've said a number of times, one

1870
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 3: other player on defense, Jalen Hawkins, is gonna make this team.

1871
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that right now, yep. And Patriots fans

1872
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 3: just gotta get to know. I think we talked about

1873
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 3: this last week, so I'll just kind of run through it.

1874
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 3: But he's not gonna play ninety nine percent of the

1875
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 3: snaps like Devin mccordy. But when they want that, when

1876
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 3: they want a little bit more range in the deep

1877
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 3: part of the field, when they want to be able

1878
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 3: to put Duggar and Pepper's both in the box, he's

1879
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 3: gonna be a guy that can bring in go a

1880
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:02,639
Speaker 3: little bit smaller. I think you called it big Nickel

1881
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 3: Big Dime whatever last week. Yeah, and just give them

1882
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 3: the flexibility to play that way.

1883
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 2: I love the idea of them being able to play

1884
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:14,719
Speaker 2: three corner dime with Hawkins up top and then Kyle

1885
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:18,799
Speaker 2: Dugger and Jabriel Peppers more as robbers or man coverage

1886
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 2: on the tight end. This is what they used to

1887
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 2: do with Harmon, Chunk and mccordy, and those three guys

1888
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 2: had homes on those money downs, whether it was third

1889
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 2: down just in general, or it was two minutes and

1890
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 2: a half, you know, those types of situations. All Jalen

1891
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 2: Hawkins has to be is Deron Harmon. And I don't

1892
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 2: say that to take a shot at Darron Harmon, but

1893
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 2: he doesn't need to be ed Reid back there. He

1894
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,679
Speaker 2: doesn't need to be this elite middle of the field player.

1895
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 2: If he can just be serviceable back there and then

1896
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 2: when the ball comes his way, make plays on it

1897
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 2: like Darren Harmon used to do, then that is enough

1898
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,679
Speaker 2: to be able to put Kyle Dugger and Jabriel Peppers

1899
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:55,719
Speaker 2: closer to the line of screen.

1900
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:57,599
Speaker 3: And those are guys that are gonna make the place right.

1901
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 2: And those are the guys that can fly around and

1902
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, you're freeing those guys up

1903
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 2: and taking sort of the taking them out of the box, right,

1904
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 2: Like they're in a box when they play deep where

1905
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:08,839
Speaker 2: they have to play up there.

1906
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 3: And they have an a box. But you're putting them

1907
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 3: in the box. Just to be clear, Yeah, urbinologies a little.

1908
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 2: You're putting them You're putting them in a role that

1909
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 2: is a positional role when those guys need to be

1910
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 2: instinctive football players, yea, flying to the ball and hopefully

1911
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 2: just having a guy like Hawkins up top will allow

1912
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 2: them to do that. He's started twenty five games over.

1913
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is not like some random, you know, end

1914
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 3: of the roster player they found. This is a guy

1915
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 3: not quite Adrian Phillips, but like kind of similar background

1916
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 3: Adrian Phillips a little bit. Yeah, there's some I'm just

1917
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:41,799
Speaker 3: saying that because he came from the Chargers.

1918
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just a little bit more there than maybe

1919
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:48,599
Speaker 2: I thought initially. I'll admit, with a guy like Jalen Hawkins,

1920
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 2: and it is how much is it this is partially

1921
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 2: chungue in cheek? How much tongue and cheek? How much

1922
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 2: is it that he's wearing thirty two because he just

1923
01:31:57,800 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 2: kind of looks like Devin mccordy.

1924
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,680
Speaker 3: Honestly, me mentally, when I see the guys like like

1925
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 3: Mitchell Wilcox, I wrote Mitchell Wilcox off right away because

1926
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 3: I was like, the League game eighty seven, they're not

1927
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 3: serious about him. Yeah, So like I usually have the

1928
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:11,160
Speaker 3: opposite reaction when I see those numbers, I'm like, you're

1929
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 3: not You're not that guy. Yeah, I'm not gonna take

1930
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 3: you seriously. But Hawkins, he's been playing well.

1931
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been decent.

1932
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 3: All right.

1933
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 2: DC is in New Hampshire. What's up DC? Hey, guys.

1934
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 5: So I was just thinking about like the international player

1935
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 5: reserve spots on rosters and practice spots, and uh, I

1936
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 5: was thinking like how the game is just not developed

1937
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 5: enough internationally where you're getting for file skill guys in

1938
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 5: line guys, and so it makes me think that that

1939
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:44,679
Speaker 5: international spot like they're wasted unless you're doing anything other

1940
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 5: than using it as a pipeline for kickers.

1941
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:47,599
Speaker 6: And I'm like.

1942
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 5: Kind of radicalized by Brandon Aubrey went from like a

1943
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 5: middling American soccer player, it's an All Pro kicker in

1944
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 5: like two years. So it makes me think like they're

1945
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:03,720
Speaker 5: the team no team should be drafting a kicker at all.

1946
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 4: We should be looking.

1947
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 5: At like international soccer players and using that reserve spot.

1948
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:14,640
Speaker 5: It's just like a pipeline for kickers. And yeah, I

1949
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 5: mean that's about it. I just think about the game internationally,

1950
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 5: and Brandon Aubrey just kind of kind of got me

1951
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:27,639
Speaker 5: thinking things of like, uh, just rethinking the kicker position.

1952
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 5: He's radicalized me.

1953
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 4: Thanks guys, love the show.

1954
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, DC, thanks for the call. Well that

1955
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 2: was a perfect segue, DC, because I was about to

1956
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 2: clear the floor for Alex to talk about the kicker.

1957
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 3: Wait, I'm confused though, Well, is he brain Aubrey's American?

1958
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think he's just saying that, why don't

1959
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 2: you just go over to the premier league and try

1960
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 2: to poach somebody from the premier league that's got a

1961
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,680
Speaker 2: huge leg and use that roster exemp spot, which, for

1962
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:54,519
Speaker 2: the record, only counts against the ninety. So Jonathan Russell

1963
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 2: right now is the Patriots.

1964
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 3: It doesn't count.

1965
01:33:57,200 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 6: No.

1966
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 2: My point is, yeah, I guess it's a better way

1967
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 2: of putting it. Jonathan Reressell is the ninety first guy

1968
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 2: on the team right now, but if they put him

1969
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 2: on the fifty three man roster he counts at that point.

1970
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:06,679
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1971
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:08,679
Speaker 2: No, The whole point about the game under and carry

1972
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:10,559
Speaker 2: fifty four guys my point right the game.

1973
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 3: The whole point about the game being underdeveloped in other

1974
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 3: countries is why that spot exists. You're bringing in players

1975
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,760
Speaker 3: that are project players. You're bringing in players to who

1976
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 3: are good athletes and teaching them how to play football.

1977
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 3: If you find a kicker that can kick, you're not

1978
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 3: making me your international pathway player. You're actually putting them

1979
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 3: on the roster. Those guys aren't eligible to play. We

1980
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 3: did this, remember with Yaka Johnson his first year. He

1981
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:35,599
Speaker 3: started as an IPP player, but he was like making

1982
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 3: plays all summer, and then we had this big debate

1983
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 3: of well, do you list him as IPP and then

1984
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 3: you don't have them all year or in case you

1985
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 3: need a full back, do you actually keep him on

1986
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 3: the roster, and they or it was the practice squad. Yeah,

1987
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 3: and they could have just moved him there on IPP,

1988
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 3: but they moved him there regularly, so they risked losing him,

1989
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 3: but he was eligible to play and then he ended

1990
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 3: up playing. So I get what you're saying about the kickers,

1991
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 3: but no, you wouldn't use the IPP spot and a kicker.

1992
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 3: If you think the kicker's good, he's on the roster.

1993
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 3: He's not on the ipp.

1994
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough. So speaking of kickers is exactly what

1995
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you about next. So you correct

1996
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. But my numbers where Chad Ryland

1997
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:16,760
Speaker 2: was five for eight and Joey Slye was eight for eight,

1998
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:18,600
Speaker 2: now these are not I.

1999
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 3: Went back to the spring. I think I had well

2000
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 3: sly would have been five for eight, and I think

2001
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:26,640
Speaker 3: I had Ryland at like fifteen and nineteen. Okay, so

2002
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 3: I had my roster projection. It's on there. Let me

2003
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:30,280
Speaker 3: find it.

2004
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 2: This is not live live right way. Yeah, they're kicking here,

2005
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:34,760
Speaker 2: but it's the.

2006
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 3: What well did you notice what happened during the field

2007
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 3: goal period yesterday?

2008
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 2: No, So this is why I, okay, clear the four

2009
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 2: for you on this.

2010
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:50,800
Speaker 3: They're doing. They're like alternates. They both kicked from would

2011
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 3: they both kicked from whatever it was like, thirty two

2012
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 3: thirty seven, forty two forty seven, so each would get

2013
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 3: a kick at one of the spots and they get

2014
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:02,200
Speaker 3: back to forty seven and it's just like normal middle

2015
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 3: hash all that, and they both hit their first kicks

2016
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 3: then Chad Ryland goes up for a second kick. When

2017
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 3: he does as he's like at right before the ball snapped,

2018
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 3: Gerrod Mayo walks by and says something to him. I

2019
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:17,800
Speaker 3: don't know what he said. He walks by and says

2020
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 3: something to him, and he missed. The next snap is Ryland,

2021
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 3: Chad Royland, yep. Then Joe then Joey slide goes as

2022
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:30,640
Speaker 3: he's right before the snapd Mayo calls him out, he

2023
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 3: ices him yeah, and he missed, and then he came

2024
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 3: back on the next one, which was live, and hit it.

2025
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 3: But so I I had Ryland his fifteen to ninth agile.

2026
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 2: I that's what that is, a bunch of fragile guys.

2027
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 3: I had Ryland as fifteen to nineteen. But if you

2028
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 3: remember two of it for the spring, ota is in

2029
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 3: mini camp. Yeah, two of his kicks went directly over

2030
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 3: one of the uprights, so we don't know. No, no, no,

2031
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 3: it's if it goes directly over the upright, it's good.

2032
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:54,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2033
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 3: I was standing behind it. I thought you were saying no.

2034
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 3: I'm saying like, but he's like flirting with it, like

2035
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 3: he by inches. He had another one that he just

2036
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 3: snuck in and then he had another one yesterday that

2037
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,639
Speaker 3: hit the flag on the top. Yeah, So I mean

2038
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 3: fifteen and nineteen turns into ten and nineteen like that, Right,

2039
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 3: Sly was I think it was six to eight because

2040
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 3: he only kicked in mini camp, but Ron was a radic.

2041
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 3: They didn't give Sly a real chance, which tells me

2042
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 3: they don't necessarily see him as a real option. Yes

2043
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 3: or no, Evan, you tell me based on what I'm

2044
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 3: telling you, here is the Patriots kicker week one currently

2045
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 3: on the roster.

2046
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,879
Speaker 2: I've thought about this a little bit. In my answer

2047
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:42,080
Speaker 2: is I think the same as yours, which.

2048
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 3: Is no, Yeah, I'm with you. I don't know who

2049
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:45,879
Speaker 3: it is, but I don't think he's here.

2050
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 2: As much as it's tough because are they going to

2051
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:56,680
Speaker 2: be a ten win team with a kicker? Probably not

2052
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 2: if they are ten. But my point is if they

2053
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:01,640
Speaker 2: are a ten win team, it's not gonna be necessarily

2054
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:03,720
Speaker 2: because of the kicker. It's gonna because Drake May is

2055
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 2: awesome and their attention.

2056
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:04,720
Speaker 5: Right.

2057
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 3: But this goes back to that thing of you have

2058
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 3: a duty to the fifty other fifty two guys in

2059
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 3: the lock round to give a chance.

2060
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 2: To compete that that that I totally agree with in

2061
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:14,639
Speaker 2: that sort of where I was going with it too.

2062
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 2: At the same time, can they upgrade the kicker? Certainly?

2063
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:22,200
Speaker 2: And I the one thing that I noticed between Ryland

2064
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 2: and and Sly. I didn't chart all the numbers as

2065
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 2: closely as you did, obviously, but the one thing I

2066
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 2: did notice is that I don't think either of them

2067
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:33,840
Speaker 2: have it from like plus forty eight like both those

2068
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:34,840
Speaker 2: guys legs were.

2069
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 3: I mean, Ryland does because he did it in college.

2070
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:40,760
Speaker 3: I mean he might not anymore, but I mean he

2071
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 3: hit those kicks in college.

2072
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:45,880
Speaker 2: It's tough for Chad Ryland. I I don't I don't

2073
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 2: feel for them often.

2074
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just hate special teams like.

2075
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 2: So no, no, not just about special I just mean

2076
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 2: in general. Like when people say I just don't you know,

2077
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 2: no sympathy, I'm not talking about special teams. I'm talking

2078
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 2: about athletes in general, because they're getting paid a ton

2079
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 2: of money to play a sport, right, But at the

2080
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 2: same time, when you have as disastrous of a rookie

2081
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 2: season as Chad Ryland did, having the mental fortitude in

2082
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:15,639
Speaker 2: the in the just yeah, the mental fortitude to bounce

2083
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 2: back from that and go on to have a solid

2084
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 2: NFL career, that's got to be really difficult because your

2085
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 2: confidence confidence has to be completely shot and that's a

2086
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 2: confidence based position. That's one hundred percent of confidence space thing.

2087
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 2: There's definitely a world and this is sort of how

2088
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 2: I'm feeling at this point with Chad. Chad rather might

2089
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 2: just be broken mentally, It might just not He might

2090
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 2: have serious yips issues at this point because he was

2091
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:45,840
Speaker 2: a much better college kid.

2092
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Chad Ryland in college was eighteen of twenty

2093
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:54,760
Speaker 3: two from forty to forty nine. He was really uh,

2094
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 3: he's really sixteen of eighteen after his freshman year from

2095
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:02,000
Speaker 3: forty to forty nine, and he was career nine of

2096
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 3: fifteen from fifty plus nine to fifteen from fifty pluses.

2097
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 3: Is very good for a college kicker. That's very good. Yeah,

2098
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:13,719
Speaker 3: it just it's I think it's it's between the years.

2099
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:14,519
Speaker 2: He's a different guy.

2100
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:17,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, it happens, It sucks, it happens. We were talking

2101
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:20,519
Speaker 3: about with the quarterbacks, like confidence can doesn't matter how

2102
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:22,479
Speaker 3: talented you are. If you lose your confidence, it can

2103
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 3: completely change the way you perform. I believe that about quarterbacks.

2104
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:28,439
Speaker 3: I think a little more than you. I also it's

2105
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:30,840
Speaker 3: true about kickers, true about everybody. It's not just a

2106
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 3: sports thing.

2107
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 2: How much belief, if at all, do you have on

2108
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:35,599
Speaker 2: Sly guy right now? Do you think that Joey Sly

2109
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:39,720
Speaker 2: could at least be it, not necessarily with the longevity

2110
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 2: that Nick Folek had here, but sort of that stab me.

2111
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 3: I think he can be better than Ryland, but I

2112
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:50,160
Speaker 3: think they're better options available, if that makes sense, Like,

2113
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 3: because I mean, he's been he's been okay, and he

2114
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:55,639
Speaker 3: was good at the start of his NFL career. It's

2115
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:58,599
Speaker 3: really the last couple of years that he struggled. Yeah,

2116
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:00,639
Speaker 3: so you're hoping he gets back to which was also

2117
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:02,519
Speaker 3: Fulk granted slies as much younger. I don't even think

2118
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 3: he's thirty is twenty eight, But I go get one

2119
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 3: of these guys in the US from the UFL, Yeah,

2120
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 3: I mean. Or the other option is you go into

2121
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 3: camp and this this is there was a report the

2122
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:15,760
Speaker 3: other day that they're not among the teams talking to

2123
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:18,599
Speaker 3: the UFL kickers. Maybe they're waiting for Jake Bates solely

2124
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 3: who's in the championship game. But the other option is

2125
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 3: you go through camp. You see what it looks like

2126
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:28,040
Speaker 3: and at the end of basically the being on the

2127
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 3: other side of the Nick Folk thing. Right, you get

2128
01:41:30,040 --> 01:41:31,559
Speaker 3: to the end of camp and you see, all right,

2129
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 3: you know we don't have a kicker. There's gonna be

2130
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 3: one or two teams that you know, they signed a

2131
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 3: UDFA kicker or whatever that end up with two good kickers,

2132
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 3: and you go get one of their guys for like

2133
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 3: a six round pick.

2134
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you trade the pick you got for Nick full Right,

2135
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:46,800
Speaker 2: It's a tough situation. And we can see we've seen

2136
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:49,799
Speaker 2: here on both sides of the coin, but we mostly

2137
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:51,799
Speaker 2: have been lucky enough. The kicker run and the Patriots

2138
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:54,519
Speaker 2: have had has been spectacular, and we've seen how much

2139
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:57,160
Speaker 2: having that clutch kicker at the end of games can

2140
01:41:57,479 --> 01:42:00,640
Speaker 2: win you football games. Right now, that the kicker might

2141
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 2: be the worst player on the roster that they currently.

2142
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:06,639
Speaker 3: Have, it's worst position group.

2143
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:11,599
Speaker 2: I guess worst player on the roster is not You're

2144
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 2: probably more thinking of it the correct way. I'm just

2145
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 2: saying the most the lowest floor of any position on

2146
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:20,600
Speaker 2: the team right now is probably kicker. I mean, the

2147
01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:23,519
Speaker 2: other positions don't necessarily have the studs, but I think

2148
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 2: they'll they would be more or less competent in most

2149
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 2: of the other spots. There's a chance that they have

2150
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:31,479
Speaker 2: a terrible yearache with the kicker again like they.

2151
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 3: Had very possible.

2152
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeff is in Maine. What's up, Jeff?

2153
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:41,679
Speaker 6: Hey, what's going on? Guys? Not much so I've got

2154
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:46,240
Speaker 6: I'm just joining. Uh so, I'm if you've already covered

2155
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 6: these things, feel free to completely disregard them. I'm going

2156
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 6: to rewatch the rest of the pod later. A couple

2157
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 6: One thing that I noticed from last night, and I

2158
01:42:57,160 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 6: am almost certainly reading too much into this, but when

2159
01:43:01,120 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 6: Bill was listing all the great players that he coached

2160
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,240
Speaker 6: a lot of the guys, you know, including Dante high Tower,

2161
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:14,280
Speaker 6: you never mentioned Gerrodmeo. I don't know if I'm reading

2162
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:17,040
Speaker 6: too much into that or if he was as good

2163
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:20,559
Speaker 6: as those players. I'm sure that's not something you want

2164
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:22,559
Speaker 6: to discuss, but I was just kind of curious if

2165
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:26,919
Speaker 6: you thought that he was of that caliber. And then

2166
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:31,320
Speaker 6: so I believe and I correct, you feel free to

2167
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 6: correct me if I'm wrong. That does the center call

2168
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 6: out the protections in this scheme?

2169
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:38,519
Speaker 2: Yes, that's true.

2170
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, so what would David Andrews. I mean, he's been

2171
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:45,559
Speaker 6: in the league a long time and had some great

2172
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:50,599
Speaker 6: coaches and played with Tom Brady. Obviously, what if, you know,

2173
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 6: what would his you know, preparation look like now, and

2174
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 6: what exactly are his responsibilities when it comes to, you know,

2175
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:03,960
Speaker 6: the change in scheme and what he has to handle

2176
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:05,599
Speaker 6: on the field. And I'll take it off the air.

2177
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Jeff. Those are two two

2178
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 2: good questions with the Girod thing. My take on this,

2179
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:16,040
Speaker 2: and I know people have mentioned this in numerous other

2180
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:19,240
Speaker 2: places that Bill Belichick had not mention Mayo. I have

2181
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:24,200
Speaker 2: two quick thoughts on it. Number One, Bill had We

2182
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:26,760
Speaker 2: all know that Bill has that spiteful gene in him

2183
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:29,320
Speaker 2: where he could do things like that. So I understand

2184
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:33,080
Speaker 2: why people aren't taking it as a slight towards Drod Mayo.

2185
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:37,080
Speaker 2: And maybe this is me just being naive, but I

2186
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:40,679
Speaker 2: would hope that last night wasn't the night for Bill

2187
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:45,240
Speaker 2: Belichick to deeply care about leaving Girod Mayo out of

2188
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:47,680
Speaker 2: his speech. Yeah, it just seemed like it was. The

2189
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:50,599
Speaker 2: moment was bigger than that. For all the petty nonsense.

2190
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:53,560
Speaker 3: I mean, there are people that that's just that's the

2191
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 3: narrative they enjoy that's what they're keeping trackups. They want

2192
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:57,880
Speaker 3: to have fun with it. The college said, how much

2193
01:44:57,880 --> 01:44:59,080
Speaker 3: do you want to look into how much do you

2194
01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:01,640
Speaker 3: look into it? How much you so I'm with you.

2195
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:04,880
Speaker 2: I think it was just there wasn't a moment that

2196
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:08,240
Speaker 2: fit to talk about girod Mayo without it being performative

2197
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:12,000
Speaker 2: and being in there just to be in there. Loved

2198
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:16,320
Speaker 2: Drod Mayo as a player. He was not Willie McGinnis.

2199
01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 2: He was not a Dante high Tower. He was not

2200
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 2: the other guys he mentioned. I know Bill mentioned a

2201
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:22,880
Speaker 2: keep to leeb, but I think that might have been

2202
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:24,880
Speaker 2: the first time that he has seen a keep to

2203
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:27,760
Speaker 2: leave in like years, So it might have just been like, hey,

2204
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:30,960
Speaker 2: you know, keep to Leave's here, So that sort of thing.

2205
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:36,040
Speaker 2: I can understand, Like you said that why it felt

2206
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:38,519
Speaker 2: spiteful and why it could potentially be spiteful, And maybe

2207
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:41,559
Speaker 2: it was. But I like to think that that Bill

2208
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:43,640
Speaker 2: was there for Tom and it wasn't meant to be

2209
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:47,840
Speaker 2: his time to air his grievances, even if it was

2210
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:50,439
Speaker 2: in a sly way. The other thing I would say

2211
01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:52,640
Speaker 2: about it, though, that on a little bit of a

2212
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:57,640
Speaker 2: different tone, It is a little bit disappointing, slash upsetting

2213
01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 2: that as a first year had coach one of the youngest,

2214
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:02,760
Speaker 2: if not the youngest. I always forget this.

2215
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:04,679
Speaker 3: I think mc no, he's the youngest.

2216
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:07,920
Speaker 2: Didn't what's his name in Seattle? Isn't he younger?

2217
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:10,000
Speaker 3: Oh?

2218
01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:14,479
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald right, Yeah, regardless, one of the youngest head

2219
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 2: coaches in the league, first year head coach. I do

2220
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:19,280
Speaker 2: wish that it didn't.

2221
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 3: End Ydonald's young Yeah.

2222
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 2: I do wish it didn't end as poorly with Bill

2223
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 2: as it did, so that he could be a sounding

2224
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:30,280
Speaker 2: board for Gerard Mayo, especially this year, because he's not

2225
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 2: going to be in the league coaching. The fact that

2226
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:35,800
Speaker 2: gered Mayo if this is the case, maybe it's not.

2227
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 2: Maybe they're they're able to put it behind them and

2228
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:42,000
Speaker 2: they're able to open the dialogue again. But if Gerard

2229
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 2: Mayo has lost Bill Belichick as a resource, just to

2230
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 2: shoot him a text every once in a while and say, hey,

2231
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 2: what do you think about this? I'm not saying that

2232
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 2: Bill's coaching the team. He's not coaching the team anymore.

2233
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:55,519
Speaker 2: That that, I do think is going to be what

2234
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:59,280
Speaker 2: would obviously help girod Mayo right to have the greatest

2235
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:02,800
Speaker 2: head coach of all time time be there as a

2236
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:06,080
Speaker 2: as a source of help, similarly to how I'm sure

2237
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:08,600
Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf calls his dad all the time, right, you know,

2238
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:11,639
Speaker 2: So it just that piece of it. I do find

2239
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:14,320
Speaker 2: a little bit disappointing that if if all the politics

2240
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:16,479
Speaker 2: and all the way that it ended, which was totally fair,

2241
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:19,320
Speaker 2: but if all those things happened, and now Gerard Mayo

2242
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 2: has had to sever ties with Bill Belichick, that that

2243
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 2: does stink, because I'm sure Bill would be a great

2244
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:26,479
Speaker 2: resource for him and.

2245
01:47:26,439 --> 01:47:29,080
Speaker 3: Holly if that's the case, that you know, time heals

2246
01:47:29,120 --> 01:47:31,920
Speaker 3: all wounds, right, Yeah, and especially something like that, you know,

2247
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:35,599
Speaker 3: you can tell it's that the band's starting to get

2248
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:36,599
Speaker 3: back together a little bit.

2249
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:38,599
Speaker 2: A little bit. I don't know about that band. Well,

2250
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:40,400
Speaker 2: we'll see, you know that. But I'm saying, like Bill,

2251
01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:41,720
Speaker 2: Gerard RKK.

2252
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:45,000
Speaker 3: Did you see how happy Bill was to see Brady?

2253
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:48,439
Speaker 3: And I'm saying, all right, so that's one where we've

2254
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:50,160
Speaker 3: got out of the way, and then we'll go from there.

2255
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, quickly on the on the center thing, this is

2256
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 2: a much longer topic that we don't have time for

2257
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:57,800
Speaker 2: right now. But short version, I don't think that it

2258
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:00,719
Speaker 2: will change a whole lot about David Andrews prepparation because

2259
01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:04,200
Speaker 2: as the center, even though he wasn't the final say

2260
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:06,880
Speaker 2: at the line of scrimmage, he's always going to know

2261
01:48:07,479 --> 01:48:10,720
Speaker 2: the different fronts teams play, the different mic points, the

2262
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 2: different ways that they make adjustments and calls, because he

2263
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:16,720
Speaker 2: is going to take that from the quarterback and the

2264
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:21,080
Speaker 2: old system and then also help relay that message to

2265
01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:23,760
Speaker 2: the offensive line into the tight ends and things like that.

2266
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 2: So he's a part of that communication in any system.

2267
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 2: So I don't think that he was going into games

2268
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:31,920
Speaker 2: before with not any clue of how they were going

2269
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:33,400
Speaker 2: to pick things up and how they were going to

2270
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:35,639
Speaker 2: block stuff. So I don't think it's going to change

2271
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:38,040
Speaker 2: his preparation all that much. Does change the amount that

2272
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:39,760
Speaker 2: he's going to talk, though, you know he's going to

2273
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:42,160
Speaker 2: be much more involved than that, so we'll see how

2274
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:44,600
Speaker 2: that goes. But you know, with his experience in the

2275
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:47,519
Speaker 2: league and him being such a veteran guy and a

2276
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:51,080
Speaker 2: captain and just David Andrews, I don't think that that's

2277
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 2: a major concern. But it is a change and something

2278
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,800
Speaker 2: that isn't lost on me in terms of what it

2279
01:48:56,280 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 2: puts on a young quarterback too. To take that off

2280
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:01,080
Speaker 2: of his plate is big. Now they can't get you

2281
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:03,920
Speaker 2: into some trouble. It does get brock Party into some

2282
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 2: trouble every once in a while because he doesn't get

2283
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:09,519
Speaker 2: them out of plays at aren't quarterback than I didn't

2284
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:12,800
Speaker 2: say that, I said it, But that does happen in

2285
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:16,360
Speaker 2: San Cisco where all of their hots and all of

2286
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:20,799
Speaker 2: their answers to different things are all programmed into the play.

2287
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 2: So Brock Party is not coming to the line of

2288
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 2: scrimmage like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and saying kill

2289
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:29,479
Speaker 2: kill kill, Let's get into this play. Let's run that

2290
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 2: play instead, you know, audible at the line of scrimmage. Uh,

2291
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 2: they're they're doing Uh, They're running the play that Kyle

2292
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:39,960
Speaker 2: Shanahan calls. And then there's answers within those plays. So

2293
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:42,880
Speaker 2: those are some of the differences. But we can we

2294
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:44,599
Speaker 2: can unpack that a little. We have plenty of off

2295
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 2: season shows coming up here where there's not gonna be

2296
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:49,280
Speaker 2: as much to talk about. Today was a very heavy

2297
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 2: off season show for all things considered.

2298
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:54,080
Speaker 3: This is now we're off into the off season.

2299
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 2: We're off to the off season. Before we we wrap

2300
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:59,760
Speaker 2: this up though we have four or five minutes to

2301
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:03,519
Speaker 2: talk a little bit of of of Celtics here, Alex

2302
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:06,320
Speaker 2: and I am at the point now at the Celtics

2303
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:10,519
Speaker 2: where I am now in f you to all the

2304
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:14,719
Speaker 2: people that told me Dallas was a legitimate threaten this finals.

2305
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:17,439
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily care about all the Luka Doncic stuff

2306
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:20,040
Speaker 2: like that that I'm not a Mavericks fan. I'm not

2307
01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:23,559
Speaker 2: a Luka Doncic supporter, not that I hate him, but

2308
01:50:23,680 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But the biggest thing that

2309
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:28,960
Speaker 2: I come back to, and we do this too, we

2310
01:50:29,439 --> 01:50:33,200
Speaker 2: have ron predictions, we don't have crystal balls, We're not perfect,

2311
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 2: but the Celtics in this series, it did seem even

2312
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:41,080
Speaker 2: if it was to be a little hot taky, Yeah,

2313
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 2: it got popular to pick Dallas in this series.

2314
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:47,200
Speaker 3: It's not just that people were picking the Mavericks because

2315
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:50,200
Speaker 3: that's gonna happen. Yeah, it's that. I mean, I go

2316
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:52,720
Speaker 3: back to that first take clip where steven A and

2317
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:54,920
Speaker 3: I forget to wait it on, like they both picked

2318
01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:59,240
Speaker 3: the Mavericks and then the host picks the Celtics, and like, whoa,

2319
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:02,959
Speaker 3: my picking the Celtics. Wows Like it became this absurd

2320
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:05,400
Speaker 3: thing to think the Celtics could even compete in this series.

2321
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:08,439
Speaker 3: Pick the Mavericks all you want, like whatever, but to

2322
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:12,559
Speaker 3: act like it was unbalanced in the other direction is

2323
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:15,479
Speaker 3: mind blowing to me. The Mavericks have two players, that's it.

2324
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:19,200
Speaker 3: Celtics have the most complete roster in league. Yeah, it's

2325
01:51:19,240 --> 01:51:20,120
Speaker 3: been awesome to.

2326
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:25,439
Speaker 2: And it's not over yet, right, Yeah, it's over. The

2327
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:29,000
Speaker 2: fat ladies warming up as they say, right, she's warming

2328
01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:32,880
Speaker 2: up the pipes, but it's not completely over. But as

2329
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 2: a as a diehard Celtics fan, I can tell you

2330
01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:40,720
Speaker 2: this one feels is gonna feel really sweet because we

2331
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:44,280
Speaker 2: have watched the Jays grow up right before our eyes, right,

2332
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:49,000
Speaker 2: you know, literally from drafted as Boston Celtics on Draft

2333
01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:53,400
Speaker 2: night to this point, and to cut so close to

2334
01:51:53,439 --> 01:51:56,439
Speaker 2: the mountaintop as many times as they have but not

2335
01:51:56,600 --> 01:51:58,479
Speaker 2: get all the way up there, and then to finally

2336
01:51:58,479 --> 01:52:00,080
Speaker 2: push the rock to the top of the mountain this

2337
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:03,880
Speaker 2: year hopefully that's Those ones are always a little bit sweeter,

2338
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 2: I feel like, in like the Mercenary Championships where you're.

2339
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:09,360
Speaker 3: Just especially in the NBA where there's so much of

2340
01:52:09,400 --> 01:52:11,360
Speaker 3: that and you don't see that. I mean the Warriors

2341
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:13,160
Speaker 3: were supposed to be that and then they signed a rant.

2342
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:15,840
Speaker 3: But like to see a homegrown championship in the NBA

2343
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:16,479
Speaker 3: is pretty cool.

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01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:20,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's It's definitely very cool. I also feel like,

2345
01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:22,840
Speaker 2: going back to the point about the media, a lot

2346
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:25,960
Speaker 2: of the people picking Dallas and that becoming a storyline.

2347
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:30,560
Speaker 2: The other part of this, too, is just the disrespect

2348
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:34,439
Speaker 2: that has been out there consistently for Jalen Brown, who

2349
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:38,639
Speaker 2: wasn't voted All NBA, wasn't voted all defense, wasn't really

2350
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:43,160
Speaker 2: considered one of those top guys this season or really

2351
01:52:43,160 --> 01:52:46,720
Speaker 2: in his career. If I'm giving an MVP of the

2352
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:50,280
Speaker 2: series right now, it's Jalen Brown. If Jason Tatam scores

2353
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:51,040
Speaker 2: fifty in game.

2354
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:56,080
Speaker 3: But he's historically very very very good and close out games, yeah, Jatum, So.

2355
01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:58,200
Speaker 2: It's possible that it could flip the other way, but

2356
01:52:58,280 --> 01:53:00,800
Speaker 2: his shooting percentages are not good that it's gonna have

2357
01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:03,880
Speaker 2: to take one of those game seven fifty pieces like

2358
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:08,000
Speaker 2: he had against this year. Yeah. But Jalen Brown, regardless,

2359
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:11,840
Speaker 2: he's a superstar. He's announced his presence as a superstar

2360
01:53:12,479 --> 01:53:16,760
Speaker 2: and not voting him All NBA. So many of the

2361
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:19,800
Speaker 2: NBA media picking the Mavericks in the series. They're just

2362
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:23,519
Speaker 2: there was whether you want to say it, you know,

2363
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:25,439
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter or not, or tune out the noise

2364
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:28,120
Speaker 2: or not. There was a lot of people that felt

2365
01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:31,000
Speaker 2: that the Celtics were an overrated team, that the Celtics

2366
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:33,800
Speaker 2: were not as good as their record indicated and there

2367
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:36,240
Speaker 2: or they were you know, there were soft you know

2368
01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:38,920
Speaker 2: in terms of their mindset and things like that. They

2369
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:42,559
Speaker 2: have been an absolute juggernaut the entire season and they're

2370
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:44,920
Speaker 2: gonna have one of the all time great postseason runs.

2371
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:45,120
Speaker 5: Yea.

2372
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:48,640
Speaker 2: And they have really shown and I think this is

2373
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:52,599
Speaker 2: the most important thing to me. They play team basketball. Yes,

2374
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:56,360
Speaker 2: they don't play my turn, your turn, my turn, your turn,

2375
01:53:56,400 --> 01:53:59,160
Speaker 2: your turn, My turn isoball like the Mavericks do with

2376
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:02,000
Speaker 2: Luca and Kyrie. They play both ends of the floor

2377
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:05,000
Speaker 2: at a high level. They move the basketball at a

2378
01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:08,880
Speaker 2: high level. This is what Red hour Back would be

2379
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:11,360
Speaker 2: proud of. You know, like, this is basketball. This is

2380
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:14,400
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna pass the rock. Everybody's gonna touch

2381
01:54:14,439 --> 01:54:16,880
Speaker 2: it in the possession. It could be Drew Holiday, it

2382
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:19,240
Speaker 2: could be Derek White, it could be Al Horford, it

2383
01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:22,519
Speaker 2: could be the Jays. Someone is going to gonna hurt

2384
01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:24,719
Speaker 2: you at some point if we keep our ball movement

2385
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:28,160
Speaker 2: up and all that kind of stuff. I feel like

2386
01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:31,519
Speaker 2: putting them in that category of like they're just a

2387
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 2: three pointing shooting team is also incorrect because I think

2388
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:37,960
Speaker 2: they've played like a much more complete basketball team than that.

2389
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:41,080
Speaker 2: They are a fun team to watch. They are a

2390
01:54:41,120 --> 01:54:43,880
Speaker 2: great brand of basketball to watch, and it's cool that

2391
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:46,480
Speaker 2: they're gonna they're gonna do it against like the ISO

2392
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:49,760
Speaker 2: team in the NBA right that that this is plays

2393
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:52,520
Speaker 2: that style. And last but not least, I said I

2394
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:55,160
Speaker 2: didn't care about Luca. The one thing I would say

2395
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:59,440
Speaker 2: about Luca is that this is another thing that got

2396
01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:03,040
Speaker 2: force fed us best backcoard of all time. He's better

2397
01:55:03,080 --> 01:55:05,160
Speaker 2: than Larry Bird. He's a great.

2398
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:08,320
Speaker 3: Offensive I I kind of feel bad for Luca because

2399
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:11,160
Speaker 3: the hype was built up way too much.

2400
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:12,600
Speaker 2: It wasn't his fault.

2401
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:14,320
Speaker 3: And he's not gonna live up to it. And we

2402
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:16,160
Speaker 3: do this, I mean we do this in basketball. We

2403
01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:18,320
Speaker 3: do in football too, where like you get to these

2404
01:55:18,360 --> 01:55:22,240
Speaker 3: big games or big rounds, you know, conference championship championship rounds,

2405
01:55:22,720 --> 01:55:27,160
Speaker 3: and the lead player of the team that loses. Everybody

2406
01:55:27,200 --> 01:55:31,480
Speaker 3: always jumps and calls underrated or overrated, and like, I

2407
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:33,680
Speaker 3: still think Luca is a top fifteen player in the league.

2408
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 2: He's to top five.

2409
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:38,480
Speaker 3: This has not been a good series for him. There

2410
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:41,040
Speaker 3: are clearly things he needs to improve on communicating with

2411
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:44,120
Speaker 3: the refs, but like, let's not kid ourselves in act

2412
01:55:44,200 --> 01:55:45,840
Speaker 3: like this is all. If anything, it's an indictment on

2413
01:55:45,880 --> 01:55:47,960
Speaker 3: Kyrie Irving. He waited until game three to show up.

2414
01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:49,800
Speaker 3: Imagine if he gave him those kind of performances in

2415
01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:51,560
Speaker 3: games one and two. Well you know why he couldn't,

2416
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:54,160
Speaker 3: right because the fans good for them. Yeah, but I like,

2417
01:55:54,440 --> 01:55:56,840
Speaker 3: let's let's I don't know, we can enjoy the change.

2418
01:55:56,840 --> 01:55:59,000
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna sit here be like, don't celebrate your championship,

2419
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:02,800
Speaker 3: feel bad for Luca, but like, let's I don't want

2420
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:05,600
Speaker 3: to take away from Luca because it diminishes what the

2421
01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:08,880
Speaker 3: Celtics did. No, they beat one of the bet it is.

2422
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:11,720
Speaker 3: I mean, Luke and Kyrie is an excellent duo. It is.

2423
01:56:11,720 --> 01:56:13,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's best basket back court of

2424
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:15,760
Speaker 3: all time, but it's an excellent duo and they beat them.

2425
01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:19,120
Speaker 3: Let's not start suddenly acting like they're not great. Oh well,

2426
01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:21,000
Speaker 3: you know, look at them. They look like they suck. Now,

2427
01:56:21,160 --> 01:56:24,160
Speaker 3: maybe the Celtics are just great defensively the day and

2428
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:25,680
Speaker 3: that's why they look like they suck.

2429
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:28,320
Speaker 2: Series. That was the other big thing too. You know,

2430
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:30,920
Speaker 2: people you can only base out your predictions and all

2431
01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:33,120
Speaker 2: this kind of your commentary off of what you're watching,

2432
01:56:33,120 --> 01:56:35,919
Speaker 2: what you're seeing. But I always felt like the Celtics

2433
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:39,360
Speaker 2: had another level defensively that they were sort of saving

2434
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:42,919
Speaker 2: in the tank. If they had played a healthy Milwaukee

2435
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:44,960
Speaker 2: team or a healthy Philly maybe it would have come

2436
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:47,800
Speaker 2: out earlier in the playoffs. But no offense to Indiana

2437
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:50,560
Speaker 2: and Cleveland and Miami. But in order to get that

2438
01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:53,000
Speaker 2: out of a team, it had the adversary on the

2439
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:54,800
Speaker 2: other it has to be a worthy averagary on the

2440
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:57,360
Speaker 2: other side, Like you're not gonna be able to play

2441
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:02,120
Speaker 2: at that type of intense and that type of execution

2442
01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:04,760
Speaker 2: when you kind of know in the back of your

2443
01:57:04,760 --> 01:57:07,440
Speaker 2: head that you were gonna win anyways, right, So that's

2444
01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:10,720
Speaker 2: always a little bit more difficult. So that this team,

2445
01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:14,240
Speaker 2: this Mavericks team, it being the stage at the NBA

2446
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:17,640
Speaker 2: Finals is probably the bigger reason why they've upped their

2447
01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:20,440
Speaker 2: defensive intensity and their effort on that side of the ball,

2448
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:22,320
Speaker 2: and that's why they're gonna win the series. They're not

2449
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:24,200
Speaker 2: gonna win the series because their offense, because their offense

2450
01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:26,560
Speaker 2: actually been a little bit worse day series. They're gonna

2451
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 2: win the championship because of their defense. And they have

2452
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:33,480
Speaker 2: shown everybody that you got to be it's a two

2453
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:38,240
Speaker 2: way game. Luca and Kyrie are awesome, awesome offensive talents,

2454
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:40,880
Speaker 2: but if you don't play both sides, then you're you're

2455
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:42,840
Speaker 2: not gonna win a title. That That's what they're showing,

2456
01:57:42,840 --> 01:57:45,440
Speaker 2: and it's been it's been awesome to watch and again

2457
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:47,520
Speaker 2: it's just it's awesome to see the Jays finally get

2458
01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:50,600
Speaker 2: anointed like that. That's gonna be a great feeling hopefully

2459
01:57:50,600 --> 01:57:53,879
Speaker 2: on Friday Night. But that does it for this episode

2460
01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:56,879
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